Speaker 1: Well, hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Steve has
Speaker 1: always been joined by Devin and Joe and this is
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Speaker 1: Well before actually, before we get into night's show, I
Speaker 1: just kind of want to give everybody a little bit
Speaker 1: of an idea what's going on here today. This is
Speaker 1: the beginning of something special. It's very special special as
Speaker 1: in what we're going to be doing for this month.
Speaker 1: This show will be coming out on the first week
Speaker 1: of October and for the entire month of October, since
Speaker 1: it's that month that's spooky, spooky month, We're going to
Speaker 1: do stories that are kind of based around Halloween. Spooky
Speaker 1: stories like my story is gonna be Cash for the
Speaker 1: Friendly Ghost Factory. Fiction is not going to do that
Speaker 1: story how to get some clanking chains? Hang on now
Speaker 1: I do. I'm going to give everybody a little bit
Speaker 1: of a teaser, and that is that at the end
Speaker 1: of the month, we're going to be doing a show
Speaker 1: that is what I would consider kind of a big
Speaker 1: Halloween favorite. I would say, that's true, that's pretty scary.
Speaker 1: We've gotten lots of requests for it, we have, and
Speaker 1: I think that's all we're gonna tell people. We're just
Speaker 1: gonna leave you on the hook. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: wait the next couple of weeks, four of them. Yeah. Actually,
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Speaker 1: ever start making him. And yeah, so I feel if
Speaker 1: you want to head just I'll let me say it's
Speaker 1: a very well known thing, okay, yeah, and that so
Speaker 1: please take again it And as they say on with
Speaker 1: the show, today's story takes place in Stall, Kansas, which
Speaker 1: is about fifty miles from Kansas City or Missouri or
Speaker 1: it's you said, it's about ten outside of Lawrence. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everybody knows where that is, of course, yeah, of course. Uh.
Speaker 1: And there's there's quite as it's been quite a legend
Speaker 1: around that area. It's pretty well known and depending on
Speaker 1: the sources, this story has been around for anywhere from
Speaker 1: fifty to a hundred plus years. Yeah, though it's it
Speaker 1: seems too well. I'll talk about that more later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just quickly, then, let me describe Stall, because I got
Speaker 1: a Google streep you this afternoon look at everything, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Um. And so it's title town
Speaker 1: of I don't know, twenty or thirty people or something
Speaker 1: like that. Not very many people lived there. And by
Speaker 1: the way, when I was cruising through on Google street View,
Speaker 1: not a soul was evident, not a single human being
Speaker 1: was in sight. Well that was the story, the story
Speaker 1: itself from this creepy little town. According to Joe, all
Speaker 1: centers around the cemetery in that town, and in the
Speaker 1: cemetery supposedly is a gateway to help. So here's the legend.
Speaker 1: In eighteen sixty seven a church was built where currently
Speaker 1: the Stall cemeteries located, and that church was eventually abandoned
Speaker 1: and it fell into disrepair. Maybe part of the reason
Speaker 1: is the fact that behind the church is a set
Speaker 1: of stairs, which, according to the legend, opens up on
Speaker 1: Halloween and from it emerges Satan himself. That's right, old scratch.
Speaker 1: And why do you know why? Because because he want
Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. Maybe well, yeah, probably to reclaim
Speaker 1: the souls of the damned. Well, there's actually a lot
Speaker 1: of supposed reasons why Satan comes out of this stairway
Speaker 1: on Halloween at midnight on Halloween every year, and this
Speaker 1: is kind of a laundry list. I'm sorry. Is it
Speaker 1: just the one night or is there another night? Well,
Speaker 1: depends on the accounts. There's Halloween, there's the spring or
Speaker 1: summer equinox, supposedly, I mean, people account a lot of
Speaker 1: different days and it's that midnight, but it's always at midnight. Interesting,
Speaker 1: always at midden. I have such a problem with that time.
Speaker 1: But okay, sure, why well, okay, so in pretty much
Speaker 1: all of the like accepted Christian lore, the night, the
Speaker 1: hour of the witching hour, almost the hour of beast
Speaker 1: is actually three am. So it's always interesting when people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, yeah, it's a midnight, because that's like,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, not nearly as like credit double credible.
Speaker 1: There we go with the word I'm looking for. It's
Speaker 1: not only as credible or like mysterious and believable to
Speaker 1: me as when people are like, oh, it was like
Speaker 1: almost three am. I think it's got something to do
Speaker 1: with the you know, the clock hitting and the night spinning.
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's all kinds of it's always it's
Speaker 1: always midnight. Midnight has always had that sort of creepiness
Speaker 1: about it, or so for some reason, just the very
Speaker 1: word midnight. Yeah yeah, all right, Well, let's let's go
Speaker 1: through this, this list of supposed reasons as to why
Speaker 1: Satan himself comes out every night. The first is that
Speaker 1: the graveyard which the church is located on, sits on
Speaker 1: one of the seven points on this planet where the
Speaker 1: devil has his gateways. There's okay, run with me here.
Speaker 1: There's seven gateways to Hell on this planet. Supposedly one
Speaker 1: of them is located somewhere in India, and according to
Speaker 1: the legend, it just happens to be that Stall, Kansas
Speaker 1: houses one of those very spots. So they just had
Speaker 1: the bad luck to build their church right right the
Speaker 1: top of a stairway to Hell. Basically, yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: they had a really bad surveyor I don't know, I
Speaker 1: would guess that there was some kind of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a draw there because there was so much
Speaker 1: evil and they felt the need to cleanse it. But
Speaker 1: and and we're gonna we'll go into some of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Let then let me just kind of run through this.
Speaker 1: Think the Satan put some some warning signs up, don't
Speaker 1: build here, you know, because that's the way he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a real warner. Wants you to build there, all right.
Speaker 1: The next is that that location was a favorite spots
Speaker 1: for witches to practice black arts, and they do this
Speaker 1: because of the fact that this place is a focal
Speaker 1: point for black magic. Again, if I'm guessing this is
Speaker 1: based on being a gateway, this focus one of the
Speaker 1: seven points on the planet, and also because there's a
Speaker 1: large pine tree on the grounds that was used to
Speaker 1: hang at one time, which is I just feel like
Speaker 1: this is a chicken egg scenario. Yeah, well, let me
Speaker 1: let me keep going. I got a tree to talk about.
Speaker 1: The tree has been in the graveyard evidently for decades
Speaker 1: and up until several years ago when it was cut down.
Speaker 1: But evidently there was a headstone at the base of
Speaker 1: the tree, and the tree had grown up and around
Speaker 1: this headstone and eventually split it apart, which is something
Speaker 1: that people point to as evidence that it's an evil place.
Speaker 1: That's just kind of what tree roots do. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: let's see. The next one is that Satan is visiting
Speaker 1: a dead witch who was at one time his bride
Speaker 1: who was buried there. Yeah, as we saw on the
Speaker 1: thrilling documentary of Corpse Bride. I didn't see that one.
Speaker 1: Putting them before I get too far off, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Did Do you ever, either of you ever watch that
Speaker 1: TV shows Supernatural? That's it's not on anymore, right, I
Speaker 1: think it might be done. I I watched some. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but evidently evidently there was an episode where they actually
Speaker 1: played off of this whole Gateway to Hell installed and
Speaker 1: there was a season finale where they were shutting the
Speaker 1: Gateway to Hell and it was installed, and they were
Speaker 1: like inside them, they were shutting the Gateway to Hell.
Speaker 1: They were closing it from it was closed on them.
Speaker 1: They were closing it to stop the evening escaping. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen the episode. I just happened to find something
Speaker 1: that related to and then read it on IMDb. Padlock
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, I think concrete. Yeah, Okay. The next
Speaker 1: reason that Satan would be coming out at that location,
Speaker 1: he's visiting a son that he had with a witch,
Speaker 1: and that son was so deformed that he only lived
Speaker 1: for a few days end. According to the legend, the
Speaker 1: ghost of this boy appears on Halloween as a werewolf
Speaker 1: and scares or chases people off of the grounds or
Speaker 1: prowls around the woods. How many? How many supernatural legends
Speaker 1: can we cram into one theory? Just wait? Actually, I
Speaker 1: which attack a few more on Well we're at it. Well,
Speaker 1: let me let me before you start working on these,
Speaker 1: let me just give you the rest of them, because well,
Speaker 1: I gotta say the story about Satan's son who was
Speaker 1: it was deformed and diet maybe you know, I feel
Speaker 1: really sorry for Satan. I'm next up the legends. And
Speaker 1: this is again another reason that it's so haunted and
Speaker 1: so terrible. Is that in the eighteen fifties, the mayor
Speaker 1: of the town of Stall was stabbed to death by
Speaker 1: a stable hand in a stone barn that was on
Speaker 1: the cemetery grounds. And I'm guessing the idea behind that
Speaker 1: is that it's desecrations of hallowed ground. I've got to
Speaker 1: guess that's why this would be a reason, but I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. Like the Indian grave thing, right, you're you know,
Speaker 1: this is a hallowed site and then you commit murder,
Speaker 1: although I guess that would mean that no more than
Speaker 1: seventeen years later, but probably like ten years later they
Speaker 1: built a church on top of that building. So that's
Speaker 1: a weird. I'm sorry, I'm just like attacking, but I
Speaker 1: need I need a little clarification here. Okay, So the
Speaker 1: town was stabbed and that's what attracted Satan to it,
Speaker 1: or it was the gateway was already there, and I
Speaker 1: think it attracted Satan. Again, it's so it's committing murder
Speaker 1: on on hallowed ground. That wasn't that that it was
Speaker 1: a cemetery at that time, which is technically theoretically according
Speaker 1: you know, it was supposed to be. When when it's
Speaker 1: a um some kind of religious burial area, you know,
Speaker 1: it's whatever. I can't remember. It was Germanic people that
Speaker 1: had settled the area and had made the graveyard, and
Speaker 1: suddenly I can't remember whether they were Catholic or what.
Speaker 1: But you know, if it's at that point it's a graveyard,
Speaker 1: it's a hallowed piece of ground. But it was in
Speaker 1: a barn on a graveyard. So how does that make
Speaker 1: a difference. You know? I think what we need to
Speaker 1: do is actually that there's a really cool graveyard not
Speaker 1: far from where I live. It's a it's a very
Speaker 1: old Pioneer Graveyard. Let's let's go murder somebody there and
Speaker 1: see if it's stairway the hell appears. Okay, onto the
Speaker 1: next one. Thank you, thank you for making Halloween just
Speaker 1: got weirder. Thanks Joe. Uh here's our next one. In
Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, and I don't have a year, but
Speaker 1: this will be, you know, between nineteen hundred nineteen ten,
Speaker 1: when everybody calls at the nineteen hundreds, I'm guessing that's
Speaker 1: the time range we're looking at. A boy was accidentally
Speaker 1: burned to death by his own father while he was
Speaker 1: burning a field. So Dad, it's burned in the field,
Speaker 1: doesn't realize the boys in the field, and its walk
Speaker 1: out of the field or dies from smoke anilation, I
Speaker 1: don't know for sure. And then a few years later
Speaker 1: a man in the town was found hanging from a tree,
Speaker 1: and I have to presume it's that same pine tree.
Speaker 1: Um And both of these took place near a road
Speaker 1: that was known as Devil's Road, which appeared on old
Speaker 1: maps of Stall, but it doesn't exist anymore, so it's
Speaker 1: it's not a modern road. You can't go on Google
Speaker 1: maps and find it. But you know, some of the
Speaker 1: hype maybe the fact that Stall is located. Also, this
Speaker 1: is another thing to kind of go in that same
Speaker 1: same vein, is that in the state, Stall is in
Speaker 1: the Topeka zip code, and that's evidently has the prefix
Speaker 1: of six six six the market of least this this
Speaker 1: and this attracted Satan to the spot. I don't I'm
Speaker 1: guessing we're still We're still. This is on the laundry
Speaker 1: list of things that are built up around why Satan
Speaker 1: might be coming there. I can't point it was attracted
Speaker 1: to the six six six postal code, which didn't come
Speaker 1: into exist as a delay in the nineteen sixties. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Also, like, are we going to discuss the
Speaker 1: fact that it turns out that six six six is
Speaker 1: actually like a misinterpret misinterpretation. Actually we can actually talk
Speaker 1: about that right now, I mean, what do we I
Speaker 1: don't remember what is the translation? Correct, It's like six
Speaker 1: six one or something. Six nine six is one possible
Speaker 1: interpretation of it. It's not six six six whatever it is. Yes,
Speaker 1: I know that that it's a misinterpretation. And the that
Speaker 1: reminds me I saw this whole laundry list in this
Speaker 1: in this humorous email that was rocketing around it was
Speaker 1: like all these different numbers, like you know, six six
Speaker 1: six six six six six six six social Security now
Speaker 1: broke the beast and we're just the whole there, riffed
Speaker 1: on the whole thing they had. Yeah, because we're not
Speaker 1: done yet with the reasons why Satan might be coming
Speaker 1: to this place. Uh. And and I should probably just
Speaker 1: go ahead and say something right now, which is this
Speaker 1: story kind of has the feel of a very urban legend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's totally got the urban legend field, So don't I
Speaker 1: think everybody who's listening is probably figured that out by now.
Speaker 1: But I just want to say that, which is why
Speaker 1: I want to get all of these supposed reasons out
Speaker 1: there and out of the way. If you're already packing
Speaker 1: your bags and then gassing up your car, is to
Speaker 1: drive the Kansas to go look at this place. Hold
Speaker 1: off a bit until we get to the end of
Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you you'll find a few things. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: this doesn't say exactly why he's going to that location,
Speaker 1: but one of the things that it's believed he's doing
Speaker 1: by I mean out at midnight on Halloween, is that
Speaker 1: he's gathering up all of the souls in the area
Speaker 1: and by the area. I don't know how big that is.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that denotes. Is that the continental
Speaker 1: US or is that just that area code? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like it that he operates by
Speaker 1: ZIP code. Yeah, that's kind of cool. But but he's
Speaker 1: gathering up all the souls in the area who died
Speaker 1: of a violent death that year to then parade them
Speaker 1: around the earth for one more night before taking them
Speaker 1: back to Hell. Nice. Although just because somebody died of
Speaker 1: violent death doesn't mean they gotta go to hell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you never know, maybe you do go to Hell
Speaker 1: for diying of violent death. You know, if you weren't
Speaker 1: smart enough to out without what your adversary, maybe it
Speaker 1: God send you to Hell for that. So sorry, you
Speaker 1: guys were talking about something, but I was busy off
Speaker 1: in google land. Um so I found the number of
Speaker 1: the base, the actual number. It's um six one six. Well, okay, no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's Google says it's six one six point
Speaker 1: six six six six six, So it's not a whole number,
Speaker 1: it's not calculated number. So I guess the world's hardest.
Speaker 1: I guess it's six one seven because you're round up.
Speaker 1: But I don't. I mean, I'm just saying so, just
Speaker 1: so f y I every listener, that is the number
Speaker 1: of the piece, six six point six six six six six.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where the number comes
Speaker 1: from and why a fraction is attached to it, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe maybe look it up later. Let's
Speaker 1: let's keep and sorry, that's all right, I like that, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: and this is just more to add to the legend.
Speaker 1: Less of a reason why Satan would come around, but
Speaker 1: thanks to his presence, evidently strange things happen in the graveyard,
Speaker 1: and these are a lot of room. This is some
Speaker 1: reports on all hallow z Halloween. People keep saying that
Speaker 1: they are reporting strange moaning noises that the old church
Speaker 1: that's on the property on the graveyard, that church that
Speaker 1: we that was built, uh, still had a crucifix on
Speaker 1: the wall, and evidently on Halloween the crucifix would spin
Speaker 1: a hundred eighty degrees so that it was upside down,
Speaker 1: which kind of sounds like pranksters to me. And I
Speaker 1: also don't know that it would still be attached to
Speaker 1: the wall, but that's what people say is happening. Think
Speaker 1: somebody would have stolen a long time ago, you would, uh.
Speaker 1: And and actually you know that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: focus on the church. This this, the church this on
Speaker 1: this site has spawned and helped foster a lot of
Speaker 1: the stories in the legends. The church itself in the
Speaker 1: early nine hundreds caught fire for reasons unknown. I could
Speaker 1: never find out what caused the fire. It was never
Speaker 1: recorded anywhere that I could track down. Probably caused by
Speaker 1: something flammable. But after it caught fire, stop being used.
Speaker 1: And some people are saying that the religious community actually
Speaker 1: destroyed the church themselves in an effort to seal the
Speaker 1: gateway to Hell. So yeah, and because it wasn't maintained
Speaker 1: for so long, the roof of the church actually blew
Speaker 1: off many years ago, likely in a big windstorm, just
Speaker 1: ripped off. So it's a building with no roof. That
Speaker 1: sounds so much like an episode of True Detective. I
Speaker 1: can't even tell I remember that church. But being open
Speaker 1: to the sky, uh, it seems to be one thing
Speaker 1: that that helps some of the stories. Um. It seems
Speaker 1: to help the idea that witches and black magic are
Speaker 1: taking place because they can get in on their flying broomsticks.
Speaker 1: Now yeah, and they you know, they're not going to
Speaker 1: be seen by anybody when they're doing their their practices.
Speaker 1: According to the stories, when it rained in the area,
Speaker 1: water would not fall on the inside of the church,
Speaker 1: but instead would run off as if the roof was
Speaker 1: still there. Well, obviously the rain didn't get the news.
Speaker 1: Evidently there are reports that strong winds were actually happening
Speaker 1: inside of the church. So this is this is kind
Speaker 1: of that Poultergeist area where there's just strange cold spots
Speaker 1: and winds out of nowhere. And there was one guy
Speaker 1: who said that the wind was so strong it knocked
Speaker 1: him over and quote held him down and wouldn't let
Speaker 1: him up for a while. So they were probably hot
Speaker 1: winds and they smelled the sulfur and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Never heard that part. Nobody ever commented on the temperature,
Speaker 1: which was a little funny to me for that same reason,
Speaker 1: I know. But we still got some more things that
Speaker 1: are about the church. Man. Oh yeah, there's a lot here. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's there's glass bottles, so I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys had come across, but they yeah, some people say,
Speaker 1: and they are adamant about this, that if you throw
Speaker 1: through a glass bottle at the interior wall of the
Speaker 1: church on Halloween, it wouldn't break. Or if you held
Speaker 1: two glass bottles in the shape of the cross and
Speaker 1: hit him against the wall, they wouldn't break, which is
Speaker 1: a little odd that that also then spawns people to
Speaker 1: say that, well, if you did throw a bottle at
Speaker 1: the wall and it did break, then you were going
Speaker 1: to hell. It's so convenient. It's so convenient. I just like,
Speaker 1: for a second, like these kinds of stories are just
Speaker 1: like the worst, right, because you're like, well, it didn't
Speaker 1: break for me, but if it breaks for you, you're
Speaker 1: going to hell, which is like it a house for
Speaker 1: the fact that like anybody who has like a fine
Speaker 1: grasp of physics or like feels like they want to
Speaker 1: do it, they are going to go and it's gonna break,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be like, oh, well, maybe I'm going
Speaker 1: to hell. Or I have a really thick wine bottle
Speaker 1: and you have a very thin walled vodka bottle. There's
Speaker 1: always that even beer bottles don't breaks as easily as
Speaker 1: you would think. I remember many years ago, I was
Speaker 1: out with a friend and we were kind of bored,
Speaker 1: and uh so we decided to make a Molotov cocktail.
Speaker 1: So he poured some gasoline into a Raineer pounder, which
Speaker 1: is a sixty in beer ball, which is actually, uh
Speaker 1: not as heavily built as like say a long neck
Speaker 1: bottle like you find a bud in or something like that.
Speaker 1: Those are those have thicker walls than the old Rainier pounders.
Speaker 1: And so we we stuffed a rag and you know,
Speaker 1: and then it was about half filled with gasoling and
Speaker 1: stuff to raging. And I'm so afraid it was. And
Speaker 1: so we were out and we go out to the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere and we um and we light the
Speaker 1: rag on fire, and then then we take the bottle
Speaker 1: and fling it like fling it hard down the road
Speaker 1: about twenty ft, you know, that's what. It hits the
Speaker 1: pavement good and hard, and it didn't break. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so beer bottles don't break is easily a sea things.
Speaker 1: But I have a theory about the origin of this,
Speaker 1: particularly this particular thing. Okay, let's hear this. Yeah, I'm curious,
Speaker 1: and just I'm curious. I think that somebody decided to
Speaker 1: insert this in the legend at some point. This is
Speaker 1: the glass bottle, the glass bottle that that won't break.
Speaker 1: No matter, how are you start against the wall. I
Speaker 1: think whoever was doing it was being was some guy
Speaker 1: and probably as Lateeen's earliest one, who was being a
Speaker 1: complete flaming and thought, I know, I'm gonna trick all
Speaker 1: these people that go out there and the smashing bottles
Speaker 1: and leaving broken glass everywhere. So and so I think
Speaker 1: that's what I think it was. Could be all right? Well,
Speaker 1: and and and we've we're not done here with the
Speaker 1: legend and the stories around the legend. Uh, there are
Speaker 1: threads out there that say the name of the town
Speaker 1: was actually Skull and not Stall. So the town is
Speaker 1: s t U l L. And people are saying that
Speaker 1: that T was actually a K at one point, so
Speaker 1: it was the town of Skull, but the residents changed
Speaker 1: the name just Stall as a way to try to
Speaker 1: repent from the bad deeds that had happened there and
Speaker 1: throw people off from the trail of everything wrong that
Speaker 1: was done. If you're going to change your town name
Speaker 1: from Skull, I mean, just like change it a little more,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe like Scroll or like Keaven. How about I mean,
Speaker 1: like really you know the fact that you like change
Speaker 1: one letter in your thing, like that's probably we're not
Speaker 1: going to help so much. Maybe just be like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're called normal now. Well no, they just were as
Speaker 1: creative in the olden days. Apparently they didn't have the internets.
Speaker 1: They could have come up with something else. This is
Speaker 1: pretty I never I never knew that Kansas was such
Speaker 1: a hot bit of black magic and witchery. Evidently it is. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's let's actually get back to the Gateway
Speaker 1: of Hell, because we've been talking about Satan appearing and
Speaker 1: the reasons that he is. But like I said, the
Speaker 1: gateway is supposedly located at the church, and it's supposedly
Speaker 1: located on the side of the church. But it's not
Speaker 1: easy to find. This is because it isn't used by
Speaker 1: people much, you know, excluding Satan, because he's not a
Speaker 1: person but people, which people either okay, um, And and
Speaker 1: so it's been overgrown with grass and scrub and all
Speaker 1: of that. But people say that if you do manage
Speaker 1: to find the stairs and you start to walk down
Speaker 1: him and again this is the story, you will lose
Speaker 1: control of your body and supposedly it would feel as
Speaker 1: if another force was compelling you forward. Okay, And then
Speaker 1: then then the story diverges into two veins. Version one
Speaker 1: says that if you do indeed take the stairs, you'll
Speaker 1: descend to Hell, but you'll never be able to come back.
Speaker 1: I don't know how anyone would know that, but okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know Dave went down the stairs and he never
Speaker 1: came back, so probably don't walk down the stairs. Whatever.
Speaker 1: The second version is that if you take the stairs
Speaker 1: and you descend to Hell, it's gonna take you two
Speaker 1: weeks to make it back out, but you won't realize
Speaker 1: that that much time has past, because yes, this place
Speaker 1: also causes lost time. Like all this makes me think
Speaker 1: about is Monty Python and the Holy Grail, where she
Speaker 1: turned me into a new Well, you don't look like,
Speaker 1: well I got better. I went in Hell. They took me. Well,
Speaker 1: you're not in Hell anymore. I got better. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I actually want to go check this out because I
Speaker 1: think it would be I think it would be actually
Speaker 1: very cool if I could go visit Hell, se check
Speaker 1: it out, and then come back and then, you know,
Speaker 1: if you needed to repair awesome actually existed at Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: All right, So I guess we're gonna take a road
Speaker 1: trip because I'm okay with Joe descending into hell and
Speaker 1: maybe never coming back, but maybe coming back in two weeks.
Speaker 1: You're just going to hang out for two weeks for
Speaker 1: we could do it. Oh yeah, well, thankfully a pre recording.
Speaker 1: We'll be all right for a little while. Ye're all right.
Speaker 1: So here's here's one thing to note. The church just
Speaker 1: not standing anymore. Evidently in two thousand and two, though,
Speaker 1: who did this is in a little bit of conflict.
Speaker 1: The church was torn down, and there's versions that say
Speaker 1: and these versions that you read about is that the
Speaker 1: property owners say they didn't authorize it and don't know
Speaker 1: who did it. And then there's other versions where it
Speaker 1: said that the property owners did authorize it and they
Speaker 1: hired somebody with a piece big chunk of machine or
Speaker 1: you know, a cat or something down to come over
Speaker 1: and just knock it down. And it collapsed. It just
Speaker 1: fell right down as soon as they got to it.
Speaker 1: And actually, another thing that I heard is that one
Speaker 1: of them, because there's there's houses right there, there's people
Speaker 1: that live very close. Apparently one of those had noticed
Speaker 1: about a week before this, when it was torn down,
Speaker 1: one of them had noticed that one of the walls
Speaker 1: had collapsed in a storm or something. And that's that's
Speaker 1: a very good point. The thing was a giant hazard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it hadn't had a roof for years. This
Speaker 1: folks to to describe this to you. It was stone walls.
Speaker 1: It wasn't brick. It was stacked stone walls, which when
Speaker 1: they don't have a structure on top to stabilize them,
Speaker 1: tend to bow and want to fall over. Well, especially
Speaker 1: if if one wall or corner collapses, you really lose
Speaker 1: a lot of support and stability there. And so I
Speaker 1: think the owner probably just had it knocked down for
Speaker 1: safety reasons and liability reasons. Yeah, it's and I I
Speaker 1: leaned that same way because some of the articles I've
Speaker 1: read say that there's that they're quoting the owner of
Speaker 1: the property. But you know, it's the Internet, and some
Speaker 1: of these stories you can't really track to tell if
Speaker 1: that's really their source or not. Yeah. You know. Actually
Speaker 1: another theory that I heard, actually I made it up
Speaker 1: just now. The owner wanted to build a retaining wall.
Speaker 1: So you're obsessed with retaining walls lately. That's because you
Speaker 1: want one. Okay, Well, here we're gonna go to a
Speaker 1: anecdotal bit of legendary. Is that I just make that
Speaker 1: word legendary? Is that a real word? Yeah, that legendary,
Speaker 1: but legendary. I think the word you want to use
Speaker 1: instead of anecdotal is apocryphal. There that sbscribes as to
Speaker 1: a t okay. According to this, the Pope visited the
Speaker 1: United States back in the nineties. Well he did. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's be fair that he did. Uh, and he told
Speaker 1: his pilot to go around the entire state of Kansas
Speaker 1: because he didn't want to fly over un sacred ground. Well,
Speaker 1: let's be fair. Un sacred ground just mean there's un
Speaker 1: sacred air space to palm. What wait a minute, what
Speaker 1: the aboat? It's it's like a giant column all the
Speaker 1: way to space of unholy ground, all the way through
Speaker 1: the universe. Well, well, while all that's circulating around, all
Speaker 1: these stories are circulating around, all of these things that
Speaker 1: we've just covered in however long, it just turned throne um.
Speaker 1: It's no wonder that every year yards of people calm
Speaker 1: to the graveyard to try and see Satan make his
Speaker 1: grand appear. And you know, every single one of those peoples,
Speaker 1: after he crains his beer, has to run over the
Speaker 1: church and try to smash it against the well. Because
Speaker 1: there's so many people coming to the graveyard every year.
Speaker 1: The graveyard is now circled with cyclone fencing and if
Speaker 1: you look at this on Google, to go to Google
Speaker 1: and you go to stree Few, you see nothing but
Speaker 1: chainling fencing around the entire thing and passing and no
Speaker 1: trespassing signs. And every year on Halloween the cops are
Speaker 1: there and they are escorting people away from the area
Speaker 1: and they will threaten them with fines and jail time
Speaker 1: for trespassing private property. Apparently the locals are actually not
Speaker 1: real about this. Oh no, they hate this. Let me
Speaker 1: just be very very obvious. They hate this story because
Speaker 1: they have relatives who are buried in that graveyard. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of vandalism that comes from a bunch
Speaker 1: of drunken Yahoo's out on Halloween, smashing bottles, knocking over headstones.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not just that. I mean, like, we've
Speaker 1: just spent what the last like half an hour recounting
Speaker 1: all of these different things that have been tied in.
Speaker 1: And you know, if your family lives in this place
Speaker 1: for long enough, you know maybe it was you're like
Speaker 1: great great grandfather who accidentally killed that boy in a
Speaker 1: fire and like and brought the whole thing. Well, no,
Speaker 1: but like that's a tragic story of history and being
Speaker 1: exploited to be a part of Satan's grand plan. Like
Speaker 1: that's track. There's people now, you know, who have died
Speaker 1: in the last year who it's not as if this
Speaker 1: is a history. This is an active graveyard, people who've
Speaker 1: died within the last probably i'd say, six months. And
Speaker 1: it's got some very old graves in there, it does,
Speaker 1: but it's got some very new graves. And there are
Speaker 1: stories of people going there days after Halloween and finding
Speaker 1: the headstone of their loved one knocked over and broken
Speaker 1: because people were doing whatever they were doing and knocking
Speaker 1: stuff over. How do you know it wasn't Satan that
Speaker 1: knocked with that headstone. I was going to say, it
Speaker 1: just shows them for like showing off their wealth of
Speaker 1: getting like a headstone that's above ground. We're both wore
Speaker 1: old people, Joe, Yeah, both are. I have to say that.
Speaker 1: And and this is to me kind of unfathomable, but
Speaker 1: like you know, I go for walks and runs to
Speaker 1: the nearby Pioneer Cemetery near my house sometimes and there's
Speaker 1: vandalism there too, and it's it's kind of amazing that
Speaker 1: people would vandalize headstone, but people do it. Know, people
Speaker 1: vandalize everything, and I don't understand it. I understand graffiti
Speaker 1: as an art form in certain applications, but tagging I
Speaker 1: don't agree with because that's usually just a defacement of
Speaker 1: property and usually it's there's nothing artistic about it. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: that tag might be artistic in its own sense, but
Speaker 1: when you reproduce in a hundred times on every signpost
Speaker 1: and building, then it just becomes junk. So it's it's
Speaker 1: just visual junk. But and by the way, when that
Speaker 1: when that tagger is caught, I think he needs to
Speaker 1: get a special tag tattooed on his forehead. Well, let's
Speaker 1: let's move not to theories but problems problem So all
Speaker 1: of those legendary things that we just talked about, there
Speaker 1: is a ton of problems with them, and I just
Speaker 1: want to suss out a couple of them right off
Speaker 1: the bat. The town of Stall was originally named Deer Creek,
Speaker 1: and that community in eight got its own post office.
Speaker 1: At that time. It was then called Stall after the
Speaker 1: for the name of the first postmaster. They had Sylvester's Stall.
Speaker 1: So the town being named Skull that's out that's out
Speaker 1: right off the batall used to be Selvester's Skull and
Speaker 1: then he changed his name. Listen, skeletor stop it? Okay,
Speaker 1: do you remember the part that there was the one
Speaker 1: part of the legend of the mayor being stabbed, right, Well,
Speaker 1: it turns out the town hasn't officially had a mayor
Speaker 1: ever ever. H Well, I mean it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: too small to really have a mayor, don't you think
Speaker 1: it is? Um And by the way, I assume the
Speaker 1: local police are like the county sheriff. I believe it's
Speaker 1: the County Mounties. There's there's no actual stole police forces
Speaker 1: from what I could see. So yeah, it's obviously there's
Speaker 1: no one there that's actually the mayor. That's a problem
Speaker 1: unless you know they're saying, hey, we could call you
Speaker 1: the mayor. Don't call me the mayor. I know what
Speaker 1: happened to the last mayor. I'm not taking that for
Speaker 1: spinal tap, all right. So I haven't been able to
Speaker 1: find any concrete evidence that the stairs and their cover exists. Now,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of stories about people searching for
Speaker 1: him and quote unquote finding them, but nothing is verifiable.
Speaker 1: But here's something I want to point out is that
Speaker 1: there may have actually been a set of stairs there
Speaker 1: that would have led to a basement. Because if this
Speaker 1: church was built in the eighteen sixties, think about it,
Speaker 1: It's Kansas. You need to store food down well, but
Speaker 1: also with tornado, So if everybody's at church and a
Speaker 1: tornado comes along, you hustle them into the basement and
Speaker 1: you hide there. Yeah. So there's a very valid reason
Speaker 1: why there might have been a set of stairs as
Speaker 1: the church, but there's there's nothing to say that it
Speaker 1: wasn't there. But nobody ever finds them. So that's one
Speaker 1: thing that I want to point out about the stairs themselves.
Speaker 1: I also guess you could say, like some crypts have
Speaker 1: like a couple of stairs down, and you know, if
Speaker 1: if like the crypt or like the building structure above
Speaker 1: it had for whatever reason been demolished, there would be
Speaker 1: like some random like a couple of stairs down. I
Speaker 1: could see how that could have like ballooned out into
Speaker 1: something like this. You know. There it's so hard to
Speaker 1: tell in a cemetery with a church in Kansas where yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean there could have been, Um, what is it?
Speaker 1: It's it's when what do they call the big buildings
Speaker 1: that it's not a cpped, but what is the building
Speaker 1: that's around mausoleums? I mean mausoleums have been put on
Speaker 1: the ground. It could have been that. That's what it was.
Speaker 1: That's why there was the Last problem that I have
Speaker 1: with this whole story is the pope. It's always the Pope.
Speaker 1: Remember that whole story about him diverting his plane. I'm
Speaker 1: sure didn't actually happen. There's nothing that shows any record
Speaker 1: of his plane ever diverting off of its flight plan. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well supposedly that that story, if I remember right, appeared
Speaker 1: like in Time magazine somewhere around. But we've never been
Speaker 1: able to weird. Yeah, I suppose that's what people are claiming.
Speaker 1: But I like it's also pulp Benedict not the most
Speaker 1: superstitious of the popes. Pulp Benict you mean John Paul. No,
Speaker 1: wasn't it Pulpe Benedict at that point superstitious of the anyway?
Speaker 1: I mean, the pope is not going to be afraid
Speaker 1: of Satan. And you know, um, this story is like
Speaker 1: so many Internet stories, they start out as a as
Speaker 1: a clean ship. Let's just come out of the shipyard,
Speaker 1: and they sail off through the waters of the Internet
Speaker 1: and they become encrusted with many many barnacles Internet. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's what happens that many of these stories Internet barnacles.
Speaker 1: Internet barnacles for the day. Yeah. So yeah, the pup's
Speaker 1: story is you get another barnacle on this story it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well let's uh, let's get into the theories finally. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: well theory number one. It could be real, well, it
Speaker 1: could be don't give me that look, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: Satan might actually exist. I don't know how when it
Speaker 1: comes down to Earth, and yeah, let let me go
Speaker 1: through this is that you know, there there are a
Speaker 1: lot of stories around about gateways to Hell and their locations. Now,
Speaker 1: strangely enough, none of them, the major ones that you
Speaker 1: find out there that are gateways to Hell, none of
Speaker 1: them are in Kansas. But uh, that's that's okay. There
Speaker 1: are lots of things though, that are referencing gateways to
Speaker 1: Hell in major populated areas. Isn't there supposedly one like
Speaker 1: right close here, like that in Clackamus or something? Yet
Speaker 1: I don't I didn't see that one, But there's so
Speaker 1: many geographs central major cities have them associated with them,
Speaker 1: and then major historic cities always have them associated with them.
Speaker 1: So there's these stories all over of the gateways to Hell. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if you're saying then you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a gateway to Hell, I mean, you want to put
Speaker 1: it in a major city because you're a lot closer
Speaker 1: to the shops and services and stuff like that. You
Speaker 1: don't want to have in the middle of nowhere. Maybe,
Speaker 1: or maybe it's in the major areas because of the
Speaker 1: atrocities that happened there. I don't know, who knows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but let's let's put that part aside. That fact aside
Speaker 1: is that if we think about this from a theological standpoint,
Speaker 1: I don't know it's theological the right word to use,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but philosophical that's probably the better word. Philosophical.
Speaker 1: It's possible if Satan's real and I'm not saying Satan
Speaker 1: is or is not real, But then what criteria would
Speaker 1: he or shear it? Because again I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know um used to determine where to come out into
Speaker 1: the world at I mean, it's this place is off
Speaker 1: the beaten path. I completely understand that. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've read all this stuff about these strange
Speaker 1: occult sites that are where Satan may come from. And
Speaker 1: if you think about it, Okay, let's just say that
Speaker 1: there is some random point where all of this occult
Speaker 1: stuff is happening. Think about it. This is the best
Speaker 1: analogy I can come up with. Think about it from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of almost like radiation. So there's all this
Speaker 1: occult stuff going on, and it builds up like radiation
Speaker 1: at that location, so then it becomes a hot zone.
Speaker 1: So then that could theoretically be a place that would
Speaker 1: pop up on Satan's radar to be a good place
Speaker 1: to come because there's all of the it's just it's
Speaker 1: just embroiled with it, and it's just such a hotbed
Speaker 1: that that might be a spot that's an easy access point.
Speaker 1: So he he senses Satan's senses that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like bone heads who would be easy, easy pickings
Speaker 1: and good recruits, and so he senses that, so he
Speaker 1: just makes himself a little gate way to Hell. And no, no,
Speaker 1: what I mean is let's say that let's say and
Speaker 1: and this I'm making this up just to try to
Speaker 1: help foster this explanation. Let's say that there is Satanic
Speaker 1: worship and so there are there's offerings, you know, there's sacrifices,
Speaker 1: there's atrocities committed at this area, and so it's it's
Speaker 1: seeped and all of this really bad stuff that would
Speaker 1: become something that would come up on a Satanic radar,
Speaker 1: for for another way to look at it. So it's
Speaker 1: a pig. It's a pig. But I guess like if
Speaker 1: we're going to make that argument, then like there are
Speaker 1: literally millions better places in this world. Then still yeah,
Speaker 1: and also there's no evidence whatsoever that there were there
Speaker 1: was ever any sort of Satanic dark arts, witchcraft, witchcraft
Speaker 1: or anything else practicing stall well. But but okay, but
Speaker 1: I want to go back to what Devin said briefly,
Speaker 1: which is the stories always say that there are X
Speaker 1: number of gateways to hell, But do we know that's true?
Speaker 1: Why couldn't there just be gateways plural? And there's no
Speaker 1: number two? Why can't why can't the whole world be
Speaker 1: a gateway? I think the entire world is kind of
Speaker 1: a gateway to help. I mean, like that's it's just
Speaker 1: like that when you you kind of go down that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole is a term that we use on this
Speaker 1: ship a lot, going down that rabbit hole and like
Speaker 1: to say, like, well, like this is one of the
Speaker 1: like smallest places in America, right, it's really small, very
Speaker 1: and I think that like probably the percentage of bad
Speaker 1: things that have actually happened in this town to the
Speaker 1: population versus like the number of years it has existed
Speaker 1: fairly low. So if we're saying that like this level
Speaker 1: of percent of corruption over the X number of years
Speaker 1: equal corruption Satan's gate, then like, like seriously, just like
Speaker 1: then there's a gate everywhere and like we're just screwed.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's like this, it's you know, I
Speaker 1: talked about Acam's razors sometimes, but it is right. It's
Speaker 1: like either the entire or world is a gateway to Hell, which,
Speaker 1: like Joe is going to argue, and that's fair. But
Speaker 1: so either we're gonna say the entire everywhere that human
Speaker 1: beings exist is a gateway to Hell, or we're going
Speaker 1: to say that is not a valid theory. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: well I'm willing to run with that. And here's that.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal is Satan. Satan started out life as
Speaker 1: what an angel he did, Yes, and uh and so
Speaker 1: be favorite angel. Yeah, exactly. And you never hear about
Speaker 1: angels needing like an escalator down from Heaven to get
Speaker 1: to the Earth, right, I mean, Satan, if he does exist,
Speaker 1: I don't think he needs a stairway or portal or
Speaker 1: anything else to visit the surface of the planet. I
Speaker 1: think you can get here, you know, whenever, wherever he chooses.
Speaker 1: I don't my my religious studies are very weak, but
Speaker 1: I do remember having seen some things that I've read
Speaker 1: that when Satan was cast out and then sent to
Speaker 1: what would be his kingdom, which was Hell, he couldn't
Speaker 1: just come to Earth. He had emissaries that could come there.
Speaker 1: So then that would foster that idea of it had
Speaker 1: to be something special to allow him his visa for
Speaker 1: you know, a term that we use for access to
Speaker 1: get into the area for a limited duration of time.
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want to go too far
Speaker 1: down this. I don't want to beat this too much
Speaker 1: because this, again, this is so open to interpretation. There's
Speaker 1: so many ways that it can be viewed. But that
Speaker 1: is just you know, if if that's just this one
Speaker 1: theory that I've seen let's let's move to the next one.
Speaker 1: Let's which again is on the vein of its real
Speaker 1: But this vein says that the townspeople know it and
Speaker 1: they're covering it. Okay, And I just like I'm going
Speaker 1: to go ahead and like say, right now, if this
Speaker 1: theory is valid, that that means that the townspeople are
Speaker 1: all demons, Satanists worshipers watch Supernatural. No I don't, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like that that's just follows, right,
Speaker 1: is that like, if the townspeople are covering up Satan's
Speaker 1: literal stairway out of Hell, they are horrible human beings.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we need to go there and
Speaker 1: and check it out. See if they have red glowing eyes,
Speaker 1: and if they talk like this, you know, that's that
Speaker 1: would be kind of a clue or they live in
Speaker 1: fear of it. And and let me let me run
Speaker 1: through some of the stuff that's been put out based
Speaker 1: on this, this kind of this this bend it's and
Speaker 1: I think we've already covered why they hate this story
Speaker 1: for all the thrill seekers, because as we said, there's
Speaker 1: the vandalism and and the damage, and no wonder they're
Speaker 1: peeved about everybody coming there. But in the reports that
Speaker 1: come out, in the quotes from townspeople, um, they do
Speaker 1: some things that don't always help their case. You know,
Speaker 1: they say they don't know where the story comes from.
Speaker 1: They say it's made up, and it's not completely it's
Speaker 1: not believable, which again makes sense. But here's the thing
Speaker 1: that they've done that can raise some suspicions. This happened
Speaker 1: in on Halloween. Reporters from a local newspaper and there
Speaker 1: was an also reporters and a crew from a television
Speaker 1: station went to the graveyard and they joined a bunch
Speaker 1: of onlookers who were hanging out waiting the church. No,
Speaker 1: they were outside of the grounds. It couldn't get into
Speaker 1: the grounds because it's gated off now, and the sheriff
Speaker 1: deputies were there, as evidently they are every year. But
Speaker 1: they didn't ask anybody to leave the premises or the
Speaker 1: area outside of the cemetery until eleven thirty at night.
Speaker 1: And they, according to the story, they did this because
Speaker 1: a representative of the cemetery owners showed up and ordered
Speaker 1: that everyone was to leave. Now, if you want to
Speaker 1: put the whole thing to bed, and you want to say, listen,
Speaker 1: this is made up, stop coming here and stop doing this.
Speaker 1: Then let the media in. Just just let the news
Speaker 1: guys in and say, hey, guys will escort you with
Speaker 1: the police. You can hang out at this spot, stay
Speaker 1: here till twelve thirty and lo and behold, nothing happened. Nothing. Instead,
Speaker 1: they shoot a way as if they were sweeping it
Speaker 1: under the rug and hiding it all. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: that would be a good strategy to put it all
Speaker 1: to bed. It's just to just to have the cruise there.
Speaker 1: Though that you know, some true believers would probably say
Speaker 1: something on the order of like, well, gee, you know,
Speaker 1: Satan didn't show up because he's camera shy and there's
Speaker 1: all these I mean, but at the same time, this
Speaker 1: doesn't mean there's any sort of conspiracy of what because
Speaker 1: there's hundreds of people there probably making a good old racket.
Speaker 1: The owner, you know, you don't know where the owner list,
Speaker 1: but he probably lives, like you know, right next door,
Speaker 1: right across the street, and he wanted to go to
Speaker 1: bed and so he just basically sent somebody over there.
Speaker 1: Or there's a third theory, which is that the representative
Speaker 1: of the owner it wasn't the owner of itself, was
Speaker 1: actually Satan No, I mean I think that like to
Speaker 1: build on Joe's are more rational theories. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like you, as a property owner, walk up
Speaker 1: to the police and say, I want everyone but the
Speaker 1: media to go home. I want to put this to bed.
Speaker 1: Let's let the media in. You escort them, and they'll
Speaker 1: prove that there's nothing going on here. No, you say,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of people here, they're going to ruin
Speaker 1: my property, send them home, and then they go home.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you don't say, like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: one film crew there that might be reputable. That's one
Speaker 1: person with a video camera out of like who knows,
Speaker 1: it could have been thousands of people with videos. But
Speaker 1: you've seen we've all been to places where you see
Speaker 1: the TV news van and it's a it's emblazoned on
Speaker 1: the side with the name of the station, and it's
Speaker 1: got the little radio dish, And yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: TV crew. They had their gear, They showed up with
Speaker 1: cameras in the whole nine yards. It was reporters who
Speaker 1: were tagging along with him. But it's the newspaper reporters.
Speaker 1: But they've I've got to presume that if the guy
Speaker 1: showed up as a TV reporter. He's got the news
Speaker 1: van and he's got all the news crowd with him
Speaker 1: because he's gonna try and report it and send it
Speaker 1: over to the station to make the splash of look
Speaker 1: what's going on installed tonight. So that to me, it's like,
Speaker 1: well it stands out like a sore thumb. So from
Speaker 1: a bunch of Yahoo's in their pickup trucks drinking beer
Speaker 1: to a bunch of guys with cameras and somebody standing
Speaker 1: there with a microphone in front of the spotlight talking
Speaker 1: that person. Is is it like on YouTube or anything?
Speaker 1: I mean, so like it's hard to know. Like that,
Speaker 1: it was kind of that trend of like undercover reporting,
Speaker 1: Like was it undercover reporting like or or they trying
Speaker 1: to emblazon? Were they like trying to sneak in? Was it? What?
Speaker 1: Did I mean? It's just it's for me, it's hard
Speaker 1: to tell. And you know, I agree with you, there's
Speaker 1: no reason to send them away. But also like truly,
Speaker 1: if you know somebody who owns the property lives like
Speaker 1: right there and they're like I'm trying to go to sleep,
Speaker 1: they say, hey, cops on the phone, tell everybody go home.
Speaker 1: They don't know who's there. They just say it's loud
Speaker 1: out there. See. I got the impression the way I
Speaker 1: read it that the person showed up, that representative of
Speaker 1: the people showed up, and then there's a problem with
Speaker 1: the representative may not have cared who was there. Secretary.
Speaker 1: She's like, it's midnight crap, Like I got called out
Speaker 1: of bed by these rich people to go tell everybody
Speaker 1: go home. I'm gonna tell her to go home. It's
Speaker 1: you're that's a very good point. But let's but but
Speaker 1: remember something else too, is that and that they can
Speaker 1: boot them off the property because it's private property. But
Speaker 1: right next to it is a road, which is public property.
Speaker 1: And so if people really wanted to stay there and
Speaker 1: watch what the goings on and see if Satan appears,
Speaker 1: you can still do it. Yeah, well, did you you
Speaker 1: went on Google Did you go to the cemetery on
Speaker 1: Google Maps and look at the street view this The
Speaker 1: building itself is offset from the road. It's not like
Speaker 1: it's right. Yeah, now that's fallen down. It's kind of
Speaker 1: out of sight. Yeah, you can. You can kind of
Speaker 1: see it from some of the satellite photos. It's footprint,
Speaker 1: but it's not right there, it's a ways away. So
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just I'm just gonna make up number.
Speaker 1: Let's say it was eighty yards away. That's a that's
Speaker 1: a fair bit of way to be able to see
Speaker 1: anything at night with a video game. Yeah, but if
Speaker 1: Satan is like appearing on Earth, he's probably like, there's
Speaker 1: a light show and he probably it's a disco tech.
Speaker 1: Now well no, I'm just saying like there's some fire
Speaker 1: and brimstone happening. Well so, but the thing about it
Speaker 1: is is Satan is there depending on why he's there.
Speaker 1: If he's there to visit his deformed child that's buried there,
Speaker 1: then he's gonna walk him on the tombstone. So you
Speaker 1: take a take a little night vision gear, you know
Speaker 1: when they with a little magnifying capability, and you know, Satan,
Speaker 1: if he's there, was just sending Joe on location. Yeah
Speaker 1: we really are. Alright, Well let's let's let's keep going here. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, So the next theory is you're not gonna
Speaker 1: believe this, it's a total hoax. Yeah, Well, the origin
Speaker 1: of this story and tell us Joe's you know, gone
Speaker 1: a little ahead of us, which is the big red
Speaker 1: flag is when the story showed up back in the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties. Supposedly there was a professor at the University
Speaker 1: of Kansas who made the story up about the Gateway
Speaker 1: to Hell being located installed. He made this urban legend
Speaker 1: ofb Now, and evidently he told it to his students
Speaker 1: continually until it caught fire. But I don't know why
Speaker 1: someone would intentionally make a story like that up unless
Speaker 1: he really had it in for someone in that town,
Speaker 1: or just the town itself, like you must have hated
Speaker 1: some he saw the town named Stall and thought, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's kind of like Skull. I'm going to make up
Speaker 1: a creepy ghost story about it. Alternately, I mean, he
Speaker 1: would just picked a small place that he didn't think
Speaker 1: any of his students would be from, which, well, the
Speaker 1: University of Kansas, that's not I mean, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: it's too far away. I didn't. I actually don't know
Speaker 1: how far away it is from Stall now that I
Speaker 1: think about it, or that it would be a place
Speaker 1: that enough people kind of knew about that it was real,
Speaker 1: a real place, but not like a lot of people
Speaker 1: knew people from there. I mean, I don't know. Actually,
Speaker 1: it would be interesting. I mean, if this happened in
Speaker 1: the would be interesting look at the population tables and
Speaker 1: see what the tiniest town in Kansas is, and it
Speaker 1: might very well be stolen. And and you know, going
Speaker 1: going with her theory that he just picked the very
Speaker 1: smallest town in Kansas he could find as the center
Speaker 1: and every Halloween just story because she was she she
Speaker 1: wanted to like because distically speaking, it's less likely he's
Speaker 1: going to have a student from this town because it's
Speaker 1: the tiniest town in Kansas and it's a what like
Speaker 1: maybe it's a farm community, so like they don't send
Speaker 1: a whole lot of people to college, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's that's a fair thing to say. Well,
Speaker 1: regardless regardless of what could have been the reason that
Speaker 1: it happened from this professor. The story is supposedly was
Speaker 1: repeated every year to his students, and nothing really happened
Speaker 1: until either nineteen seventy two or nineteen seventy four, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure which year. I tried to to get into
Speaker 1: the archives to figure it out, but I couldn't get
Speaker 1: the old archives from the university to come up. But
Speaker 1: the university newspaper reported this story, and I kept digging
Speaker 1: and trying to and evidently they're back there. Back issues
Speaker 1: are just not there. I couldn't get. Maybe if I
Speaker 1: had pretended to have a student and try to log in,
Speaker 1: I might have found a way, but I couldn't get.
Speaker 1: But evidently the university newspaper reported it, and from that
Speaker 1: point it started gaining traction, and the first report of
Speaker 1: people showing up in mass is v eight win. Supposedly,
Speaker 1: it's reported that a hundred and fifty people we got
Speaker 1: I guess they were all college students showed up to
Speaker 1: see what would happen from there. It's grown to what
Speaker 1: we have now of five people every Halloween showing up
Speaker 1: and and trying to get in there, and now we
Speaker 1: have the fence and police patrols and all of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, should we talk about doing this? Sometimes? I'm like,
Speaker 1: every once in a while, like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: we talked about well maybe like there's always an like
Speaker 1: outlying detail in a story that one of us will
Speaker 1: bring up and we're like, man, that sounds like something
Speaker 1: somebody was just like it would be funny if we
Speaker 1: could see if that could be pretty in article. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, we have talked about it'd be fun to
Speaker 1: set up an alternative, an alternate website and and start
Speaker 1: posting this stuff and just tacking stuff on people. Do
Speaker 1: not outrageous to think that, like a philosophy or psychology professor,
Speaker 1: you know, would use this for meeching moment or as
Speaker 1: an experiment or whatever. You know. I think that makes
Speaker 1: a lot of time. Yeah, it could It could be.
Speaker 1: It could be he wanted to start an urban legend
Speaker 1: and that and so it would be a great you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe he did it for that reason. Maybe he
Speaker 1: started this little urban legend and then he would say
Speaker 1: to the student class of a couple of years down
Speaker 1: the line or something like that, he says, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: have you guys heard this story about the Gateway to
Speaker 1: Hell and all that? How many of you? How many
Speaker 1: of you heard this? Raise your hands, you know, and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Okay, you tell me about this story.
Speaker 1: What have you heard? And they tell me that, and
Speaker 1: so what do you think? You know? Well, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. I made it all up me myself, dude,
Speaker 1: you know, as just as a sort of psychological experiment.
Speaker 1: But I would I would think that if that were
Speaker 1: the case, if that exact scenario were the case, then
Speaker 1: there would be recounts of people saying, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was in that guy's class and he admitted to making
Speaker 1: it up. But there's nothing that I could find. And again,
Speaker 1: this is this is one of those stories, and I
Speaker 1: fully admit this everybody, one of those stories that is really, really,
Speaker 1: really hard to find a lot of concrete information on.
Speaker 1: But I did not see anything that said that he
Speaker 1: admitted to making up. As it is, I couldn't even
Speaker 1: find the name of the professor who supposedly made it up.
Speaker 1: So to me, the professor making it up, it's just
Speaker 1: as likely as the other theories, because I don't have
Speaker 1: any brain of fact to this group right here, is
Speaker 1: that you have just said, like to our entire listenership,
Speaker 1: a professor making a story up to mess with the
Speaker 1: students is just as likely as Satan being real and
Speaker 1: coming they're They're both equally reasonable based on what I
Speaker 1: have to go on. Yeah, I think I know the
Speaker 1: name of the professor. His name was Professor Satan. I
Speaker 1: thought he was one of the magazine ruses. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had this, I remember that. I'm back in the fifties.
Speaker 1: We had this professor who told a story we had
Speaker 1: this really strange way of talking, was like more non standing,
Speaker 1: but only the goth kids passed the class. I like that,
Speaker 1: you're not going to mention the faces that you'll make it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't look at him when he makes
Speaker 1: those faces. Actually put my papers in front of me.
Speaker 1: Really really are you know? I mean as as as
Speaker 1: kind of a kind of a final thought on this
Speaker 1: story and before I opened it up to the pair
Speaker 1: of you, my, my, my final thoughts are I personally,
Speaker 1: I don't hold a lot of stock in the occult
Speaker 1: and those kind of stories. I mean, I admit fully
Speaker 1: there are things that I have heard and seen that
Speaker 1: I can't account for in any logical manner. In other words,
Speaker 1: I can't I don't have an explanation for whether I've
Speaker 1: seen it myself, or I've heard about or seen it
Speaker 1: on recordings, whatever the case. Maybe, But you know, that
Speaker 1: doesn't say that it is or isn't true. So I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that this story is real, but I
Speaker 1: can't say that some part of it isn't real. And
Speaker 1: that's I think that's why I wanted to to kind
Speaker 1: of have this as our kickoff for Halloween, because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of crap here, but there's also a lot
Speaker 1: of potentials that could have happened. So that's the really
Speaker 1: difficult part. And I know that something we try to
Speaker 1: tackle is is peeling those layers apart to find the
Speaker 1: real thing from from the not so real things. That's real.
Speaker 1: That was a great experience, Steve. But you know that
Speaker 1: that that's where I stand in this. So I I
Speaker 1: don't know that I buy this, but you know this
Speaker 1: is this is completely outside of the things that I
Speaker 1: would normally jump into. Yeah, I'm I'm on, I'm on,
Speaker 1: you know, unstable footing. Yeah, well I am I think
Speaker 1: that number one. As I talked about this a little earlier.
Speaker 1: But Hell is like heaven. It's not a place that
Speaker 1: you reach physically, you know, it's a place. It's a
Speaker 1: place where you it's like in another dimension on and
Speaker 1: so so it's a level of transcendences. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: I mean there is there is a gateway to Hell,
Speaker 1: which is the entire planet, which is like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can be you can you can do
Speaker 1: things that will well. The entire planet conversely, is a
Speaker 1: gateway to Heaven exactly. But you can do things anywhere
Speaker 1: on the planet that will earn you entrance to Hell,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and that's that's your gateway right there.
Speaker 1: But when you go to Hell, you don't. Your your
Speaker 1: soul goes there, not your body, So you don't need
Speaker 1: a stairway or a gateway or anything else to get
Speaker 1: to Hell. I think the gateway is a physical manifestation
Speaker 1: for us to be able to recognize it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think there's any such thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It's a fun story. You there's there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of people out there saying stories about oh, you know,
Speaker 1: you get down there, that's things pulling you down and
Speaker 1: you you go, can't there. You hear moans and horrible
Speaker 1: noises and scary stuff, and your flashlights will stop working.
Speaker 1: You always got you gotta break like seventeen times the
Speaker 1: amount of batteries you need to Yeah, that's in the accounts, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Which it doesn't really make any sense because if you're
Speaker 1: if your flashlight's gonna crap out because Satan has messed
Speaker 1: with your the batteries and your flashlight, well guess what
Speaker 1: your backup batteries have been messed with equally, so bringing
Speaker 1: backup batteries isn't going to do you any good? Can
Speaker 1: I can? I can? I go down the poulter geist
Speaker 1: rabbit hole here briefly with you on that, and I
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm about to do this. I can't either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know this is really weird because I'm the total
Speaker 1: skeptic on this stuff. But the things that I've seen
Speaker 1: is that let's let's equate any kind of presence a
Speaker 1: metaphysical presence, whether it be satan or a polter geist
Speaker 1: or a ghost or whatever. We they you know, people
Speaker 1: equate them to an electrical disturbance. Can So if I
Speaker 1: have two batteries making connection inside of a flashlight, that
Speaker 1: is making a circuit, which is an electrical circuit. So
Speaker 1: when this electrical disturbance comes through, it screws up that
Speaker 1: connection and it drains that connection. But those batteries themselves,
Speaker 1: the ones that you haven't put in your flashlight, that
Speaker 1: are just sitting in your bag, they're an unconnected circuit,
Speaker 1: so therefore they cannot be drained by that field. So
Speaker 1: they're still gonna work, right, And I feel like I
Speaker 1: just need to point out the fact that, like you
Speaker 1: went there and I was like, yeah, but it's more
Speaker 1: fun to mess with people if they like put their
Speaker 1: batteries in and then you like short it out again. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's way more fun if they have
Speaker 1: to do that seventeen times than like shorting everything out
Speaker 1: at one. You physics meet fun, I guess, yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it depends. I mean, I suppose if if this uh,
Speaker 1: this presence can can suck energy auto based basically from
Speaker 1: a completed circuit. It wants electrical energy for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: it wants manifestation or it generates it, and it's sort
Speaker 1: of like e MP, it overloads it, which would pop
Speaker 1: the bulb. That would kill that would that would that
Speaker 1: would fry the bulb in the flashlight. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: fry the Yeah, you can't really fry a flashlight because
Speaker 1: it's so simple. Yeah, but it's like yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: hardly yeah, drain it or whatever. Yeah, who the hell knows.
Speaker 1: I think it's possibly somebody made that up. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm kind of with you, like I hate
Speaker 1: to admit the fact that, like it's just as possible
Speaker 1: that a college professor made this up as it is
Speaker 1: that SATAN really is like using a physical stairway to
Speaker 1: literally walk upstairs in a physical being clop clop clop
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, regardless of what I believe about
Speaker 1: like heaven or Hell and what those things might be.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's fairly widely accepted that it's
Speaker 1: not a place that you physically go in your physical
Speaker 1: whole body. You know, it's a place that your spirit goes. Therefore,
Speaker 1: the people or things that rule those spaces would also
Speaker 1: not be like physical beings that like have physical bodies
Speaker 1: that they have to use a stairway to get someplace.
Speaker 1: But I also, I guess doesn't explain there's a lot
Speaker 1: of big question marks that aren't really well explained by
Speaker 1: you know, saying like, well, but it's not real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is one of those weird crazy doozies where
Speaker 1: I don't have a good answer for you. I'm sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think we're all kind of on defense
Speaker 1: on this. Yeah. It's like I don't know if say
Speaker 1: it exists or not. And you know, I'm open to
Speaker 1: the possibility of the existence of say, demons and things
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, they may they may actually exist. Seriously,
Speaker 1: I mean, but don't the stairway now not buying it. Okay,
Speaker 1: well there there'll be the end of that, all right,
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