WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Gateway to Hell

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Steve has

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<v Speaker 1>always been joined by Devin and Joe and this is

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<v Speaker 1>thinking Sideways in the podcast the podcast, the podcast There's

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<v Speaker 1>Imitators is the podcast the o G podcast O G Original.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I know what o G means. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just shocked at curious. Uh well, yeah, we just shattered that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Well before actually, before we get into night's show, I

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of want to give everybody a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of an idea what's going on here today. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of something special. It's very special special as

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<v Speaker 1>in what we're going to be doing for this month.

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<v Speaker 1>This show will be coming out on the first week

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<v Speaker 1>of October and for the entire month of October, since

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<v Speaker 1>it's that month that's spooky, spooky month, We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do stories that are kind of based around Halloween. Spooky

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<v Speaker 1>stories like my story is gonna be Cash for the

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<v Speaker 1>Friendly Ghost Factory. Fiction is not going to do that

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<v Speaker 1>story how to get some clanking chains? Hang on now

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I'm going to give everybody a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a teaser, and that is that at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the month, we're going to be doing a show

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<v Speaker 1>that is what I would consider kind of a big

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween favorite. I would say, that's true, that's pretty scary.

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<v Speaker 1>We've gotten lots of requests for it, we have, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's all we're gonna tell people. We're just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna leave you on the hook. You're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>wait the next couple of weeks, four of them. Yeah. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can, guests, send us an email if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to take a guess. If you guess correctly, then

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<v Speaker 1>you'll get a free Thinking Sideways T shirt if we

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<v Speaker 1>ever start making him. And yeah, so I feel if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to head just I'll let me say it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very well known thing, okay, yeah, and that so

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<v Speaker 1>please take again it And as they say on with

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<v Speaker 1>the show, today's story takes place in Stall, Kansas, which

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<v Speaker 1>is about fifty miles from Kansas City or Missouri or

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<v Speaker 1>it's you said, it's about ten outside of Lawrence. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody knows where that is, of course, yeah, of course. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's there's quite as it's been quite a legend

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<v Speaker 1>around that area. It's pretty well known and depending on

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<v Speaker 1>the sources, this story has been around for anywhere from

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<v Speaker 1>fifty to a hundred plus years. Yeah, though it's it

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<v Speaker 1>seems too well. I'll talk about that more later. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just quickly, then, let me describe Stall, because I got

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<v Speaker 1>a Google streep you this afternoon look at everything, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know. Um. And so it's title town

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<v Speaker 1>of I don't know, twenty or thirty people or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Not very many people lived there. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, when I was cruising through on Google street View,

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<v Speaker 1>not a soul was evident, not a single human being

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<v Speaker 1>was in sight. Well that was the story, the story

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<v Speaker 1>itself from this creepy little town. According to Joe, all

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<v Speaker 1>centers around the cemetery in that town, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>cemetery supposedly is a gateway to help. So here's the legend.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen sixty seven a church was built where currently

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<v Speaker 1>the Stall cemeteries located, and that church was eventually abandoned

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<v Speaker 1>and it fell into disrepair. Maybe part of the reason

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<v Speaker 1>is the fact that behind the church is a set

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<v Speaker 1>of stairs, which, according to the legend, opens up on

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween and from it emerges Satan himself. That's right, old scratch.

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<v Speaker 1>And why do you know why? Because because he want

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<v Speaker 1>breath of fresh air. Maybe well, yeah, probably to reclaim

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<v Speaker 1>the souls of the damned. Well, there's actually a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of supposed reasons why Satan comes out of this stairway

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<v Speaker 1>on Halloween at midnight on Halloween every year, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of a laundry list. I'm sorry. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>just the one night or is there another night? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>depends on the accounts. There's Halloween, there's the spring or

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<v Speaker 1>summer equinox, supposedly, I mean, people account a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different days and it's that midnight, but it's always at midnight. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>always at midden. I have such a problem with that time.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, sure, why well, okay, so in pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>all of the like accepted Christian lore, the night, the

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<v Speaker 1>hour of the witching hour, almost the hour of beast

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<v Speaker 1>is actually three am. So it's always interesting when people

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<v Speaker 1>are like, oh, yeah, it's a midnight, because that's like,

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, not nearly as like credit double credible.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go with the word I'm looking for. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not only as credible or like mysterious and believable to

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<v Speaker 1>me as when people are like, oh, it was like

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<v Speaker 1>almost three am. I think it's got something to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the you know, the clock hitting and the night spinning.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, there's all kinds of it's always it's

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<v Speaker 1>always midnight. Midnight has always had that sort of creepiness

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<v Speaker 1>about it, or so for some reason, just the very

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<v Speaker 1>word midnight. Yeah yeah, all right, Well, let's let's go

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<v Speaker 1>through this, this list of supposed reasons as to why

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<v Speaker 1>Satan himself comes out every night. The first is that

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<v Speaker 1>the graveyard which the church is located on, sits on

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<v Speaker 1>one of the seven points on this planet where the

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<v Speaker 1>devil has his gateways. There's okay, run with me here.

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<v Speaker 1>There's seven gateways to Hell on this planet. Supposedly one

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<v Speaker 1>of them is located somewhere in India, and according to

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<v Speaker 1>the legend, it just happens to be that Stall, Kansas

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<v Speaker 1>houses one of those very spots. So they just had

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<v Speaker 1>the bad luck to build their church right right the

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<v Speaker 1>top of a stairway to Hell. Basically, yeah, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they had a really bad surveyor I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>would guess that there was some kind of like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a draw there because there was so much

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<v Speaker 1>evil and they felt the need to cleanse it. But

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<v Speaker 1>and and we're gonna we'll go into some of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Let then let me just kind of run through this.

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<v Speaker 1>Think the Satan put some some warning signs up, don't

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<v Speaker 1>build here, you know, because that's the way he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a real warner. Wants you to build there, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>The next is that that location was a favorite spots

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<v Speaker 1>for witches to practice black arts, and they do this

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<v Speaker 1>because of the fact that this place is a focal

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<v Speaker 1>point for black magic. Again, if I'm guessing this is

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<v Speaker 1>based on being a gateway, this focus one of the

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<v Speaker 1>seven points on the planet, and also because there's a

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<v Speaker 1>large pine tree on the grounds that was used to

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<v Speaker 1>hang at one time, which is I just feel like

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<v Speaker 1>this is a chicken egg scenario. Yeah, well, let me

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<v Speaker 1>let me keep going. I got a tree to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>The tree has been in the graveyard evidently for decades

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<v Speaker 1>and up until several years ago when it was cut down.

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<v Speaker 1>But evidently there was a headstone at the base of

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<v Speaker 1>the tree, and the tree had grown up and around

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<v Speaker 1>this headstone and eventually split it apart, which is something

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<v Speaker 1>that people point to as evidence that it's an evil place.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just kind of what tree roots do. Yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see. The next one is that Satan is visiting

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<v Speaker 1>a dead witch who was at one time his bride

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<v Speaker 1>who was buried there. Yeah, as we saw on the

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<v Speaker 1>thrilling documentary of Corpse Bride. I didn't see that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Putting them before I get too far off, I'm pretty sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Do you ever, either of you ever watch that

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<v Speaker 1>TV shows Supernatural? That's it's not on anymore, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it might be done. I I watched some. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but evidently evidently there was an episode where they actually

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<v Speaker 1>played off of this whole Gateway to Hell installed and

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<v Speaker 1>there was a season finale where they were shutting the

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<v Speaker 1>Gateway to Hell and it was installed, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>like inside them, they were shutting the Gateway to Hell.

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<v Speaker 1>They were closing it from it was closed on them.

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<v Speaker 1>They were closing it to stop the evening escaping. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen the episode. I just happened to find something

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<v Speaker 1>that related to and then read it on IMDb. Padlock

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<v Speaker 1>on it. Yeah, I think concrete. Yeah, Okay. The next

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<v Speaker 1>reason that Satan would be coming out at that location,

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<v Speaker 1>he's visiting a son that he had with a witch,

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<v Speaker 1>and that son was so deformed that he only lived

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<v Speaker 1>for a few days end. According to the legend, the

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<v Speaker 1>ghost of this boy appears on Halloween as a werewolf

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<v Speaker 1>and scares or chases people off of the grounds or

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<v Speaker 1>prowls around the woods. How many? How many supernatural legends

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<v Speaker 1>can we cram into one theory? Just wait? Actually, I

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<v Speaker 1>which attack a few more on Well we're at it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me let me before you start working on these,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just give you the rest of them, because well,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say the story about Satan's son who was

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<v Speaker 1>it was deformed and diet maybe you know, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>really sorry for Satan. I'm next up the legends. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is again another reason that it's so haunted and

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<v Speaker 1>so terrible. Is that in the eighteen fifties, the mayor

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<v Speaker 1>of the town of Stall was stabbed to death by

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<v Speaker 1>a stable hand in a stone barn that was on

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<v Speaker 1>the cemetery grounds. And I'm guessing the idea behind that

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<v Speaker 1>is that it's desecrations of hallowed ground. I've got to

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<v Speaker 1>guess that's why this would be a reason, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure. Like the Indian grave thing, right, you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a hallowed site and then you commit murder,

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<v Speaker 1>although I guess that would mean that no more than

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen years later, but probably like ten years later they

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<v Speaker 1>built a church on top of that building. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>a weird. I'm sorry, I'm just like attacking, but I

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<v Speaker 1>need I need a little clarification here. Okay, So the

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<v Speaker 1>town was stabbed and that's what attracted Satan to it,

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<v Speaker 1>or it was the gateway was already there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it attracted Satan. Again, it's so it's committing murder

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<v Speaker 1>on on hallowed ground. That wasn't that that it was

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<v Speaker 1>a cemetery at that time, which is technically theoretically according

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was supposed to be. When when it's

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<v Speaker 1>a um some kind of religious burial area, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's whatever. I can't remember. It was Germanic people that

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<v Speaker 1>had settled the area and had made the graveyard, and

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly I can't remember whether they were Catholic or what.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, if it's at that point it's a graveyard,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a hallowed piece of ground. But it was in

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<v Speaker 1>a barn on a graveyard. So how does that make

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<v Speaker 1>a difference. You know? I think what we need to

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<v Speaker 1>do is actually that there's a really cool graveyard not

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<v Speaker 1>far from where I live. It's a it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>old Pioneer Graveyard. Let's let's go murder somebody there and

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<v Speaker 1>see if it's stairway the hell appears. Okay, onto the

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<v Speaker 1>next one. Thank you, thank you for making Halloween just

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<v Speaker 1>got weirder. Thanks Joe. Uh here's our next one. In

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen hundreds, and I don't have a year, but

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<v Speaker 1>this will be, you know, between nineteen hundred nineteen ten,

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<v Speaker 1>when everybody calls at the nineteen hundreds, I'm guessing that's

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<v Speaker 1>the time range we're looking at. A boy was accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>burned to death by his own father while he was

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<v Speaker 1>burning a field. So Dad, it's burned in the field,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't realize the boys in the field, and its walk

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<v Speaker 1>out of the field or dies from smoke anilation, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know for sure. And then a few years later

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<v Speaker 1>a man in the town was found hanging from a tree,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have to presume it's that same pine tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Um And both of these took place near a road

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<v Speaker 1>that was known as Devil's Road, which appeared on old

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<v Speaker 1>maps of Stall, but it doesn't exist anymore, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a modern road. You can't go on Google

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<v Speaker 1>maps and find it. But you know, some of the

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<v Speaker 1>hype maybe the fact that Stall is located. Also, this

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<v Speaker 1>is another thing to kind of go in that same

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<v Speaker 1>same vein, is that in the state, Stall is in

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<v Speaker 1>the Topeka zip code, and that's evidently has the prefix

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<v Speaker 1>of six six six the market of least this this

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<v Speaker 1>and this attracted Satan to the spot. I don't I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guessing we're still We're still. This is on the laundry

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<v Speaker 1>list of things that are built up around why Satan

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<v Speaker 1>might be coming there. I can't point it was attracted

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<v Speaker 1>to the six six six postal code, which didn't come

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<v Speaker 1>into exist as a delay in the nineteen sixties. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Also, like, are we going to discuss the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that it turns out that six six six is

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<v Speaker 1>actually like a misinterpret misinterpretation. Actually we can actually talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that right now, I mean, what do we I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember what is the translation? Correct, It's like six

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<v Speaker 1>six one or something. Six nine six is one possible

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<v Speaker 1>interpretation of it. It's not six six six whatever it is. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that that it's a misinterpretation. And the that

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<v Speaker 1>reminds me I saw this whole laundry list in this

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<v Speaker 1>in this humorous email that was rocketing around it was

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<v Speaker 1>like all these different numbers, like you know, six six

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<v Speaker 1>six six six six six six six social Security now

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<v Speaker 1>broke the beast and we're just the whole there, riffed

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<v Speaker 1>on the whole thing they had. Yeah, because we're not

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<v Speaker 1>done yet with the reasons why Satan might be coming

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<v Speaker 1>to this place. Uh. And and I should probably just

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and say something right now, which is this

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<v Speaker 1>story kind of has the feel of a very urban legend. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's totally got the urban legend field, So don't I

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<v Speaker 1>think everybody who's listening is probably figured that out by now.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just want to say that, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get all of these supposed reasons out

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<v Speaker 1>there and out of the way. If you're already packing

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<v Speaker 1>your bags and then gassing up your car, is to

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<v Speaker 1>drive the Kansas to go look at this place. Hold

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<v Speaker 1>off a bit until we get to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you you'll find a few things. Um. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't say exactly why he's going to that location,

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<v Speaker 1>but one of the things that it's believed he's doing

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<v Speaker 1>by I mean out at midnight on Halloween, is that

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<v Speaker 1>he's gathering up all of the souls in the area

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<v Speaker 1>and by the area. I don't know how big that is.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that denotes. Is that the continental

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<v Speaker 1>US or is that just that area code? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. I like it that he operates by

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<v Speaker 1>ZIP code. Yeah, that's kind of cool. But but he's

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<v Speaker 1>gathering up all the souls in the area who died

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<v Speaker 1>of a violent death that year to then parade them

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<v Speaker 1>around the earth for one more night before taking them

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<v Speaker 1>back to Hell. Nice. Although just because somebody died of

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<v Speaker 1>violent death doesn't mean they gotta go to hell. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because you never know, maybe you do go to Hell

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<v Speaker 1>for diying of violent death. You know, if you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>smart enough to out without what your adversary, maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>God send you to Hell for that. So sorry, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys were talking about something, but I was busy off

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<v Speaker 1>in google land. Um so I found the number of

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<v Speaker 1>the base, the actual number. It's um six one six. Well, okay, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. It's Google says it's six one six point

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<v Speaker 1>six six six six six, So it's not a whole number,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not calculated number. So I guess the world's hardest.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's six one seven because you're round up.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't. I mean, I'm just saying so, just

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<v Speaker 1>so f y I every listener, that is the number

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<v Speaker 1>of the piece, six six point six six six six six.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know where the number comes

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<v Speaker 1>from and why a fraction is attached to it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe maybe look it up later. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's keep and sorry, that's all right, I like that, Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is just more to add to the legend.

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<v Speaker 1>Less of a reason why Satan would come around, but

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to his presence, evidently strange things happen in the graveyard,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are a lot of room. This is some

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<v Speaker 1>reports on all hallow z Halloween. People keep saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they are reporting strange moaning noises that the old church

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<v Speaker 1>that's on the property on the graveyard, that church that

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<v Speaker 1>we that was built, uh, still had a crucifix on

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<v Speaker 1>the wall, and evidently on Halloween the crucifix would spin

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred eighty degrees so that it was upside down,

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<v Speaker 1>which kind of sounds like pranksters to me. And I

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<v Speaker 1>also don't know that it would still be attached to

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<v Speaker 1>the wall, but that's what people say is happening. Think

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<v Speaker 1>somebody would have stolen a long time ago, you would, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And and actually you know that there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>focus on the church. This this, the church this on

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<v Speaker 1>this site has spawned and helped foster a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the stories in the legends. The church itself in the

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<v Speaker 1>early nine hundreds caught fire for reasons unknown. I could

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<v Speaker 1>never find out what caused the fire. It was never

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<v Speaker 1>recorded anywhere that I could track down. Probably caused by

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<v Speaker 1>something flammable. But after it caught fire, stop being used.

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<v Speaker 1>And some people are saying that the religious community actually

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed the church themselves in an effort to seal the

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<v Speaker 1>gateway to Hell. So yeah, and because it wasn't maintained

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<v Speaker 1>for so long, the roof of the church actually blew

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<v Speaker 1>off many years ago, likely in a big windstorm, just

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<v Speaker 1>ripped off. So it's a building with no roof. That

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<v Speaker 1>sounds so much like an episode of True Detective. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even tell I remember that church. But being open

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<v Speaker 1>to the sky, uh, it seems to be one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that that helps some of the stories. Um. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>to help the idea that witches and black magic are

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<v Speaker 1>taking place because they can get in on their flying broomsticks.

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<v Speaker 1>Now yeah, and they you know, they're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be seen by anybody when they're doing their their practices.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the stories, when it rained in the area,

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<v Speaker 1>water would not fall on the inside of the church,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead would run off as if the roof was

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<v Speaker 1>still there. Well, obviously the rain didn't get the news.

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<v Speaker 1>Evidently there are reports that strong winds were actually happening

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<v Speaker 1>inside of the church. So this is this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of that Poultergeist area where there's just strange cold spots

0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.480
<v Speaker 1>and winds out of nowhere. And there was one guy

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<v Speaker 1>who said that the wind was so strong it knocked

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<v Speaker 1>him over and quote held him down and wouldn't let

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<v Speaker 1>him up for a while. So they were probably hot

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<v Speaker 1>winds and they smelled the sulfur and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Never heard that part. Nobody ever commented on the temperature,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a little funny to me for that same reason,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. But we still got some more things that

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<v Speaker 1>are about the church. Man. Oh yeah, there's a lot here. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's glass bottles, so I don't know if you

0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.879
<v Speaker 1>guys had come across, but they yeah, some people say,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are adamant about this, that if you throw

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<v Speaker 1>through a glass bottle at the interior wall of the

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<v Speaker 1>church on Halloween, it wouldn't break. Or if you held

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<v Speaker 1>two glass bottles in the shape of the cross and

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<v Speaker 1>hit him against the wall, they wouldn't break, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a little odd that that also then spawns people to

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<v Speaker 1>say that, well, if you did throw a bottle at

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<v Speaker 1>the wall and it did break, then you were going

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<v Speaker 1>to hell. It's so convenient. It's so convenient. I just like,

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<v Speaker 1>for a second, like these kinds of stories are just

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<v Speaker 1>like the worst, right, because you're like, well, it didn't

0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:45.239
<v Speaker 1>break for me, but if it breaks for you, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to hell, which is like it a house for

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that like anybody who has like a fine

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<v Speaker 1>grasp of physics or like feels like they want to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, they are going to go and it's gonna break,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna be like, oh, well, maybe I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to hell. Or I have a really thick wine bottle

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<v Speaker 1>and you have a very thin walled vodka bottle. There's

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<v Speaker 1>always that even beer bottles don't breaks as easily as

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<v Speaker 1>you would think. I remember many years ago, I was

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<v Speaker 1>out with a friend and we were kind of bored,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh so we decided to make a Molotov cocktail.

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<v Speaker 1>So he poured some gasoline into a Raineer pounder, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a sixty in beer ball, which is actually, uh

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<v Speaker 1>not as heavily built as like say a long neck

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<v Speaker 1>bottle like you find a bud in or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are those have thicker walls than the old Rainier pounders.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we we stuffed a rag and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it was about half filled with gasoling and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to raging. And I'm so afraid it was. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we were out and we go out to the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of nowhere and we um and we light the

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<v Speaker 1>rag on fire, and then then we take the bottle

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<v Speaker 1>and fling it like fling it hard down the road

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty ft, you know, that's what. It hits the

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<v Speaker 1>pavement good and hard, and it didn't break. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so beer bottles don't break is easily a sea things.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have a theory about the origin of this,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly this particular thing. Okay, let's hear this. Yeah, I'm curious,

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<v Speaker 1>and just I'm curious. I think that somebody decided to

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<v Speaker 1>insert this in the legend at some point. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the glass bottle, the glass bottle that that won't break.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter, how are you start against the wall. I

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<v Speaker 1>think whoever was doing it was being was some guy

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<v Speaker 1>and probably as Lateeen's earliest one, who was being a

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<v Speaker 1>complete flaming and thought, I know, I'm gonna trick all

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<v Speaker 1>these people that go out there and the smashing bottles

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<v Speaker 1>and leaving broken glass everywhere. So and so I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I think it was. Could be all right? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and we've we're not done here with the

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<v Speaker 1>legend and the stories around the legend. Uh, there are

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<v Speaker 1>threads out there that say the name of the town

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<v Speaker 1>was actually Skull and not Stall. So the town is

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<v Speaker 1>s t U l L. And people are saying that

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<v Speaker 1>that T was actually a K at one point, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was the town of Skull, but the residents changed

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<v Speaker 1>the name just Stall as a way to try to

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<v Speaker 1>repent from the bad deeds that had happened there and

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<v Speaker 1>throw people off from the trail of everything wrong that

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<v Speaker 1>was done. If you're going to change your town name

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<v Speaker 1>from Skull, I mean, just like change it a little more,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe like Scroll or like Keaven. How about I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like really you know the fact that you like change

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<v Speaker 1>one letter in your thing, like that's probably we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to help so much. Maybe just be like no, no, no,

0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 1>we're called normal now. Well no, they just were as

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<v Speaker 1>creative in the olden days. Apparently they didn't have the internets.

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<v Speaker 1>They could have come up with something else. This is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty I never I never knew that Kansas was such

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<v Speaker 1>a hot bit of black magic and witchery. Evidently it is. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's uh, let's let's actually get back to the Gateway

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<v Speaker 1>of Hell, because we've been talking about Satan appearing and

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons that he is. But like I said, the

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<v Speaker 1>gateway is supposedly located at the church, and it's supposedly

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:15.439
<v Speaker 1>located on the side of the church. But it's not

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:19.720
<v Speaker 1>easy to find. This is because it isn't used by

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<v Speaker 1>people much, you know, excluding Satan, because he's not a

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 1>person but people, which people either okay, um, And and

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<v Speaker 1>so it's been overgrown with grass and scrub and all

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.720
<v Speaker 1>of that. But people say that if you do manage

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<v Speaker 1>to find the stairs and you start to walk down

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>him and again this is the story, you will lose

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<v Speaker 1>control of your body and supposedly it would feel as

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 1>if another force was compelling you forward. Okay, And then

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<v Speaker 1>then then the story diverges into two veins. Version one

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<v Speaker 1>says that if you do indeed take the stairs, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>descend to Hell, but you'll never be able to come back.

0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how anyone would know that, but okay, well,

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:10.160
<v Speaker 1>you know Dave went down the stairs and he never

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 1>came back, so probably don't walk down the stairs. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>The second version is that if you take the stairs

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<v Speaker 1>and you descend to Hell, it's gonna take you two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks to make it back out, but you won't realize

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 1>that that much time has past, because yes, this place

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<v Speaker 1>also causes lost time. Like all this makes me think

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 1>about is Monty Python and the Holy Grail, where she

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<v Speaker 1>turned me into a new Well, you don't look like,

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<v Speaker 1>well I got better. I went in Hell. They took me. Well,

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 1>you're not in Hell anymore. I got better. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually want to go check this out because I

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<v Speaker 1>think it would be I think it would be actually

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<v Speaker 1>very cool if I could go visit Hell, se check

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<v Speaker 1>it out, and then come back and then, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you needed to repair awesome actually existed at Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So I guess we're gonna take a road

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 1>trip because I'm okay with Joe descending into hell and

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.439
<v Speaker 1>maybe never coming back, but maybe coming back in two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just going to hang out for two weeks for

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<v Speaker 1>we could do it. Oh yeah, well, thankfully a pre recording.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be all right for a little while. Ye're all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's here's one thing to note. The church just

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<v Speaker 1>not standing anymore. Evidently in two thousand and two, though,

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 1>who did this is in a little bit of conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>The church was torn down, and there's versions that say

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<v Speaker 1>and these versions that you read about is that the

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:51.359
<v Speaker 1>property owners say they didn't authorize it and don't know

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 1>who did it. And then there's other versions where it

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>said that the property owners did authorize it and they

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 1>hired somebody with a piece big chunk of machine or

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, a cat or something down to come over

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:07.959
<v Speaker 1>and just knock it down. And it collapsed. It just

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.199
<v Speaker 1>fell right down as soon as they got to it.

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:12.880
<v Speaker 1>And actually, another thing that I heard is that one

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>of them, because there's there's houses right there, there's people

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.120
<v Speaker 1>that live very close. Apparently one of those had noticed

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 1>about a week before this, when it was torn down,

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:22.119
<v Speaker 1>one of them had noticed that one of the walls

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 1>had collapsed in a storm or something. And that's that's

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>a very good point. The thing was a giant hazard. Yeah,

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean it hadn't had a roof for years. This

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 1>folks to to describe this to you. It was stone walls.

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't brick. It was stacked stone walls, which when

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.920
<v Speaker 1>they don't have a structure on top to stabilize them,

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 1>tend to bow and want to fall over. Well, especially

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>if if one wall or corner collapses, you really lose

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of support and stability there. And so I

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.639
<v Speaker 1>think the owner probably just had it knocked down for

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 1>safety reasons and liability reasons. Yeah, it's and I I

0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>leaned that same way because some of the articles I've

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 1>read say that there's that they're quoting the owner of

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.879
<v Speaker 1>the property. But you know, it's the Internet, and some

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 1>of these stories you can't really track to tell if

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 1>that's really their source or not. Yeah. You know. Actually

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.679
<v Speaker 1>another theory that I heard, actually I made it up

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>just now. The owner wanted to build a retaining wall.

0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So you're obsessed with retaining walls lately. That's because you

0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>want one. Okay, Well, here we're gonna go to a

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:29.159
<v Speaker 1>anecdotal bit of legendary. Is that I just make that

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>word legendary? Is that a real word? Yeah, that legendary,

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>but legendary. I think the word you want to use

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>instead of anecdotal is apocryphal. There that sbscribes as to

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 1>a t okay. According to this, the Pope visited the

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>United States back in the nineties. Well he did. I mean,

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>let's be fair that he did. Uh, and he told

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>his pilot to go around the entire state of Kansas

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>because he didn't want to fly over un sacred ground. Well,

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 1>let's be fair. Un sacred ground just mean there's un

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>sacred air space to palm. What wait a minute, what

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>the aboat? It's it's like a giant column all the

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>way to space of unholy ground, all the way through

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the universe. Well, well, while all that's circulating around, all

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>these stories are circulating around, all of these things that

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 1>we've just covered in however long, it just turned throne um.

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 1>It's no wonder that every year yards of people calm

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>to the graveyard to try and see Satan make his

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 1>grand appear. And you know, every single one of those peoples,

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>after he crains his beer, has to run over the

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 1>church and try to smash it against the well. Because

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>there's so many people coming to the graveyard every year.

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 1>The graveyard is now circled with cyclone fencing and if

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 1>you look at this on Google, to go to Google

0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and you go to stree Few, you see nothing but

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 1>chainling fencing around the entire thing and passing and no

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 1>trespassing signs. And every year on Halloween the cops are

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>there and they are escorting people away from the area

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>and they will threaten them with fines and jail time

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:21.719
<v Speaker 1>for trespassing private property. Apparently the locals are actually not

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 1>real about this. Oh no, they hate this. Let me

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 1>just be very very obvious. They hate this story because

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>they have relatives who are buried in that graveyard. And

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of vandalism that comes from a bunch

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>of drunken Yahoo's out on Halloween, smashing bottles, knocking over headstones.

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's not just that. I mean, like, we've

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>just spent what the last like half an hour recounting

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>all of these different things that have been tied in.

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>And you know, if your family lives in this place

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>for long enough, you know maybe it was you're like

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 1>great great grandfather who accidentally killed that boy in a

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>fire and like and brought the whole thing. Well, no,

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 1>but like that's a tragic story of history and being

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 1>exploited to be a part of Satan's grand plan. Like

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>that's track. There's people now, you know, who have died

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 1>in the last year who it's not as if this

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 1>is a history. This is an active graveyard, people who've

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>died within the last probably i'd say, six months. And

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>it's got some very old graves in there, it does,

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 1>but it's got some very new graves. And there are

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 1>stories of people going there days after Halloween and finding

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the headstone of their loved one knocked over and broken

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 1>because people were doing whatever they were doing and knocking

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>stuff over. How do you know it wasn't Satan that

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 1>knocked with that headstone. I was going to say, it

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>just shows them for like showing off their wealth of

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 1>getting like a headstone that's above ground. We're both wore

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>old people, Joe, Yeah, both are. I have to say that.

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 1>And and this is to me kind of unfathomable, but

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>like you know, I go for walks and runs to

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>the nearby Pioneer Cemetery near my house sometimes and there's

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:11.959
<v Speaker 1>vandalism there too, and it's it's kind of amazing that

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:15.960
<v Speaker 1>people would vandalize headstone, but people do it. Know, people

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>vandalize everything, and I don't understand it. I understand graffiti

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>as an art form in certain applications, but tagging I

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>don't agree with because that's usually just a defacement of

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>property and usually it's there's nothing artistic about it. Okay, well,

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>that tag might be artistic in its own sense, but

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 1>when you reproduce in a hundred times on every signpost

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and building, then it just becomes junk. So it's it's

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 1>just visual junk. But and by the way, when that

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>when that tagger is caught, I think he needs to

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>get a special tag tattooed on his forehead. Well, let's

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 1>let's move not to theories but problems problem So all

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 1>of those legendary things that we just talked about, there

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>is a ton of problems with them, and I just

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 1>want to suss out a couple of them right off

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 1>the bat. The town of Stall was originally named Deer Creek,

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and that community in eight got its own post office.

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 1>At that time. It was then called Stall after the

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>for the name of the first postmaster. They had Sylvester's Stall.

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 1>So the town being named Skull that's out that's out

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>right off the batall used to be Selvester's Skull and

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>then he changed his name. Listen, skeletor stop it? Okay,

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>do you remember the part that there was the one

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 1>part of the legend of the mayor being stabbed, right, Well,

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>it turns out the town hasn't officially had a mayor

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 1>ever ever. H Well, I mean it's it's kind of

0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>too small to really have a mayor, don't you think

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 1>it is? Um And by the way, I assume the

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:02.600
<v Speaker 1>local police are like the county sheriff. I believe it's

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the County Mounties. There's there's no actual stole police forces

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.839
<v Speaker 1>from what I could see. So yeah, it's obviously there's

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 1>no one there that's actually the mayor. That's a problem

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.840
<v Speaker 1>unless you know they're saying, hey, we could call you

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the mayor. Don't call me the mayor. I know what

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:21.759
<v Speaker 1>happened to the last mayor. I'm not taking that for

0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>spinal tap, all right. So I haven't been able to

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 1>find any concrete evidence that the stairs and their cover exists. Now,

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:36.279
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of stories about people searching for

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 1>him and quote unquote finding them, but nothing is verifiable.

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 1>But here's something I want to point out is that

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.760
<v Speaker 1>there may have actually been a set of stairs there

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 1>that would have led to a basement. Because if this

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 1>church was built in the eighteen sixties, think about it,

0:34:55.760 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 1>It's Kansas. You need to store food down well, but

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 1>also with tornado, So if everybody's at church and a

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>tornado comes along, you hustle them into the basement and

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 1>you hide there. Yeah. So there's a very valid reason

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 1>why there might have been a set of stairs as

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the church, but there's there's nothing to say that it

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.759
<v Speaker 1>wasn't there. But nobody ever finds them. So that's one

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 1>thing that I want to point out about the stairs themselves.

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I also guess you could say, like some crypts have

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 1>like a couple of stairs down, and you know, if

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:38.800
<v Speaker 1>if like the crypt or like the building structure above

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 1>it had for whatever reason been demolished, there would be

0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 1>like some random like a couple of stairs down. I

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:46.439
<v Speaker 1>could see how that could have like ballooned out into

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 1>something like this. You know. There it's so hard to

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 1>tell in a cemetery with a church in Kansas where yeah, yeah, no,

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean there could have been, Um, what is it?

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 1>It's it's when what do they call the big buildings

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 1>that it's not a cpped, but what is the building

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 1>that's around mausoleums? I mean mausoleums have been put on

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 1>the ground. It could have been that. That's what it was.

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 1>That's why there was the Last problem that I have

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>with this whole story is the pope. It's always the Pope.

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Remember that whole story about him diverting his plane. I'm

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>sure didn't actually happen. There's nothing that shows any record

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>of his plane ever diverting off of its flight plan. Yeah.

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Well supposedly that that story, if I remember right, appeared

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 1>like in Time magazine somewhere around. But we've never been

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>able to weird. Yeah, I suppose that's what people are claiming.

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 1>But I like it's also pulp Benedict not the most

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 1>superstitious of the popes. Pulp Benict you mean John Paul. No,

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:52.800
<v Speaker 1>wasn't it Pulpe Benedict at that point superstitious of the anyway?

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the pope is not going to be afraid

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of Satan. And you know, um, this story is like

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 1>so many Internet stories, they start out as a as

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>a clean ship. Let's just come out of the shipyard,

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 1>and they sail off through the waters of the Internet

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:12.360
<v Speaker 1>and they become encrusted with many many barnacles Internet. Yeah. Yeah,

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and that's what happens that many of these stories Internet barnacles.

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Internet barnacles for the day. Yeah. So yeah, the pup's

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 1>story is you get another barnacle on this story it is. Yeah.

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Well let's uh, let's get into the theories finally. Yeah, okay,

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 1>well theory number one. It could be real, well, it

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>could be don't give me that look, you know, I mean,

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Satan might actually exist. I don't know how when it

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:39.880
<v Speaker 1>comes down to Earth, and yeah, let let me go

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:43.359
<v Speaker 1>through this is that you know, there there are a

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of stories around about gateways to Hell and their locations. Now,

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:54.279
<v Speaker 1>strangely enough, none of them, the major ones that you

0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>find out there that are gateways to Hell, none of

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 1>them are in Kansas. But uh, that's that's okay. There

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>are lots of things though, that are referencing gateways to

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:12.799
<v Speaker 1>Hell in major populated areas. Isn't there supposedly one like

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 1>right close here, like that in Clackamus or something? Yet

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't I didn't see that one, But there's so

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>many geographs central major cities have them associated with them,

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:30.399
<v Speaker 1>and then major historic cities always have them associated with them.

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>So there's these stories all over of the gateways to Hell. Yeah.

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if if you're saying then you're gonna have

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>a gateway to Hell, I mean, you want to put

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 1>it in a major city because you're a lot closer

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.719
<v Speaker 1>to the shops and services and stuff like that. You

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:44.879
<v Speaker 1>don't want to have in the middle of nowhere. Maybe,

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 1>or maybe it's in the major areas because of the

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 1>atrocities that happened there. I don't know, who knows. Yeah,

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>but let's let's put that part aside. That fact aside

0:38:56.000 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 1>is that if we think about this from a theological standpoint,

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know it's theological the right word to use,

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, but philosophical that's probably the better word. Philosophical.

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:15.800
<v Speaker 1>It's possible if Satan's real and I'm not saying Satan

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 1>is or is not real, But then what criteria would

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:25.439
<v Speaker 1>he or shear it? Because again I don't I don't

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 1>know um used to determine where to come out into

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:34.359
<v Speaker 1>the world at I mean, it's this place is off

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the beaten path. I completely understand that. But you know,

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've read all this stuff about these strange

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>occult sites that are where Satan may come from. And

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.360
<v Speaker 1>if you think about it, Okay, let's just say that

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>there is some random point where all of this occult

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 1>stuff is happening. Think about it. This is the best

0:39:57.560 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 1>analogy I can come up with. Think about it from

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 1>the standpoint of almost like radiation. So there's all this

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:07.719
<v Speaker 1>occult stuff going on, and it builds up like radiation

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 1>at that location, so then it becomes a hot zone.

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 1>So then that could theoretically be a place that would

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:21.320
<v Speaker 1>pop up on Satan's radar to be a good place

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 1>to come because there's all of the it's just it's

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 1>just embroiled with it, and it's just such a hotbed

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 1>that that might be a spot that's an easy access point.

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 1>So he he senses Satan's senses that there's a lot

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:39.400
<v Speaker 1>of like bone heads who would be easy, easy pickings

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and good recruits, and so he senses that, so he

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.719
<v Speaker 1>just makes himself a little gate way to Hell. And no, no,

0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 1>what I mean is let's say that let's say and

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>and this I'm making this up just to try to

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:56.839
<v Speaker 1>help foster this explanation. Let's say that there is Satanic

0:40:56.880 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 1>worship and so there are there's offerings, you know, there's sacrifices,

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:07.840
<v Speaker 1>there's atrocities committed at this area, and so it's it's

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>seeped and all of this really bad stuff that would

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:16.240
<v Speaker 1>become something that would come up on a Satanic radar,

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.040
<v Speaker 1>for for another way to look at it. So it's

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:21.399
<v Speaker 1>a pig. It's a pig. But I guess like if

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 1>we're going to make that argument, then like there are

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 1>literally millions better places in this world. Then still yeah,

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 1>and also there's no evidence whatsoever that there were there

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 1>was ever any sort of Satanic dark arts, witchcraft, witchcraft

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.960
<v Speaker 1>or anything else practicing stall well. But but okay, but

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to what Devin said briefly,

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 1>which is the stories always say that there are X

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:54.400
<v Speaker 1>number of gateways to hell, But do we know that's true?

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Why couldn't there just be gateways plural? And there's no

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:01.719
<v Speaker 1>number two? Why can't why can't the whole world be

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:04.600
<v Speaker 1>a gateway? I think the entire world is kind of

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:06.440
<v Speaker 1>a gateway to help. I mean, like that's it's just

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 1>like that when you you kind of go down that

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole is a term that we use on this

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.560
<v Speaker 1>ship a lot, going down that rabbit hole and like

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>to say, like, well, like this is one of the

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 1>like smallest places in America, right, it's really small, very

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and I think that like probably the percentage of bad

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:24.920
<v Speaker 1>things that have actually happened in this town to the

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 1>population versus like the number of years it has existed

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>fairly low. So if we're saying that like this level

0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:36.360
<v Speaker 1>of percent of corruption over the X number of years

0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 1>equal corruption Satan's gate, then like, like seriously, just like

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 1>then there's a gate everywhere and like we're just screwed.

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 1>So for me, it's like this, it's you know, I

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 1>talked about Acam's razors sometimes, but it is right. It's

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.839
<v Speaker 1>like either the entire or world is a gateway to Hell, which,

0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 1>like Joe is going to argue, and that's fair. But

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 1>so either we're gonna say the entire everywhere that human

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.880
<v Speaker 1>beings exist is a gateway to Hell, or we're going

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>to say that is not a valid theory. Yeah, you know,

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 1>well I'm willing to run with that. And here's that.

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Here's the deal is Satan. Satan started out life as

0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 1>what an angel he did, Yes, and uh and so

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 1>be favorite angel. Yeah, exactly. And you never hear about

0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:32.879
<v Speaker 1>angels needing like an escalator down from Heaven to get

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>to the Earth, right, I mean, Satan, if he does exist,

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he needs a stairway or portal or

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 1>anything else to visit the surface of the planet. I

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.840
<v Speaker 1>think you can get here, you know, whenever, wherever he chooses.

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't my my religious studies are very weak, but

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I do remember having seen some things that I've read

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 1>that when Satan was cast out and then sent to

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:03.320
<v Speaker 1>what would be his kingdom, which was Hell, he couldn't

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:08.879
<v Speaker 1>just come to Earth. He had emissaries that could come there.

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>So then that would foster that idea of it had

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:17.320
<v Speaker 1>to be something special to allow him his visa for

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, a term that we use for access to

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:24.720
<v Speaker 1>get into the area for a limited duration of time.

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:26.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't want I don't want to go too far

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>down this. I don't want to beat this too much

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 1>because this, again, this is so open to interpretation. There's

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.880
<v Speaker 1>so many ways that it can be viewed. But that

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.239
<v Speaker 1>is just you know, if if that's just this one

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:43.919
<v Speaker 1>theory that I've seen let's let's move to the next one.

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:46.919
<v Speaker 1>Let's which again is on the vein of its real

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:50.840
<v Speaker 1>But this vein says that the townspeople know it and

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:54.279
<v Speaker 1>they're covering it. Okay, And I just like I'm going

0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:56.719
<v Speaker 1>to go ahead and like say, right now, if this

0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 1>theory is valid, that that means that the townspeople are

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:06.279
<v Speaker 1>all demons, Satanists worshipers watch Supernatural. No I don't, but

0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:08.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's just like that that's just follows, right,

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:11.360
<v Speaker 1>is that like, if the townspeople are covering up Satan's

0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:17.680
<v Speaker 1>literal stairway out of Hell, they are horrible human beings.

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:19.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think we need to go there and

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 1>and check it out. See if they have red glowing eyes,

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:28.320
<v Speaker 1>and if they talk like this, you know, that's that

0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 1>would be kind of a clue or they live in

0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:34.799
<v Speaker 1>fear of it. And and let me let me run

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:38.240
<v Speaker 1>through some of the stuff that's been put out based

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.880
<v Speaker 1>on this, this kind of this this bend it's and

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I think we've already covered why they hate this story

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 1>for all the thrill seekers, because as we said, there's

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:52.759
<v Speaker 1>the vandalism and and the damage, and no wonder they're

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 1>peeved about everybody coming there. But in the reports that

0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:03.640
<v Speaker 1>come out, in the quotes from townspeople, um, they do

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 1>some things that don't always help their case. You know,

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.319
<v Speaker 1>they say they don't know where the story comes from.

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 1>They say it's made up, and it's not completely it's

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:21.680
<v Speaker 1>not believable, which again makes sense. But here's the thing

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:26.280
<v Speaker 1>that they've done that can raise some suspicions. This happened

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:32.439
<v Speaker 1>in on Halloween. Reporters from a local newspaper and there

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 1>was an also reporters and a crew from a television

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:40.919
<v Speaker 1>station went to the graveyard and they joined a bunch

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:45.200
<v Speaker 1>of onlookers who were hanging out waiting the church. No,

0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:47.759
<v Speaker 1>they were outside of the grounds. It couldn't get into

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the grounds because it's gated off now, and the sheriff

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:56.520
<v Speaker 1>deputies were there, as evidently they are every year. But

0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 1>they didn't ask anybody to leave the premises or the

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 1>area outside of the cemetery until eleven thirty at night.

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:07.880
<v Speaker 1>And they, according to the story, they did this because

0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 1>a representative of the cemetery owners showed up and ordered

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:16.719
<v Speaker 1>that everyone was to leave. Now, if you want to

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 1>put the whole thing to bed, and you want to say, listen,

0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:24.359
<v Speaker 1>this is made up, stop coming here and stop doing this.

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Then let the media in. Just just let the news

0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 1>guys in and say, hey, guys will escort you with

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 1>the police. You can hang out at this spot, stay

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:42.040
<v Speaker 1>here till twelve thirty and lo and behold, nothing happened. Nothing. Instead,

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 1>they shoot a way as if they were sweeping it

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:47.200
<v Speaker 1>under the rug and hiding it all. Yeah, I mean,

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:48.960
<v Speaker 1>that would be a good strategy to put it all

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:51.359
<v Speaker 1>to bed. It's just to just to have the cruise there.

0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Though that you know, some true believers would probably say

0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:55.560
<v Speaker 1>something on the order of like, well, gee, you know,

0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Satan didn't show up because he's camera shy and there's

0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 1>all these I mean, but at the same time, this

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean there's any sort of conspiracy of what because

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:09.440
<v Speaker 1>there's hundreds of people there probably making a good old racket.

0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:11.879
<v Speaker 1>The owner, you know, you don't know where the owner list,

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.120
<v Speaker 1>but he probably lives, like you know, right next door,

0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:16.759
<v Speaker 1>right across the street, and he wanted to go to

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 1>bed and so he just basically sent somebody over there.

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Or there's a third theory, which is that the representative

0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:25.000
<v Speaker 1>of the owner it wasn't the owner of itself, was

0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:29.400
<v Speaker 1>actually Satan No, I mean I think that like to

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 1>build on Joe's are more rational theories. Yeah, I mean,

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:37.719
<v Speaker 1>it's not like you, as a property owner, walk up

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.120
<v Speaker 1>to the police and say, I want everyone but the

0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:43.919
<v Speaker 1>media to go home. I want to put this to bed.

0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Let's let the media in. You escort them, and they'll

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.080
<v Speaker 1>prove that there's nothing going on here. No, you say,

0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:53.040
<v Speaker 1>there's a bunch of people here, they're going to ruin

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:56.680
<v Speaker 1>my property, send them home, and then they go home.

0:48:57.120 --> 0:48:58.959
<v Speaker 1>You know, you know, you don't say, like, oh, there's

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:01.719
<v Speaker 1>one film crew there that might be reputable. That's one

0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:04.239
<v Speaker 1>person with a video camera out of like who knows,

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:05.920
<v Speaker 1>it could have been thousands of people with videos. But

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 1>you've seen we've all been to places where you see

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:12.759
<v Speaker 1>the TV news van and it's a it's emblazoned on

0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the side with the name of the station, and it's

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:18.120
<v Speaker 1>got the little radio dish, And yeah, it was a

0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:21.520
<v Speaker 1>TV crew. They had their gear, They showed up with

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>cameras in the whole nine yards. It was reporters who

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 1>were tagging along with him. But it's the newspaper reporters.

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.799
<v Speaker 1>But they've I've got to presume that if the guy

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.479
<v Speaker 1>showed up as a TV reporter. He's got the news

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:35.919
<v Speaker 1>van and he's got all the news crowd with him

0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:38.719
<v Speaker 1>because he's gonna try and report it and send it

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:42.399
<v Speaker 1>over to the station to make the splash of look

0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 1>what's going on installed tonight. So that to me, it's like,

0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:48.239
<v Speaker 1>well it stands out like a sore thumb. So from

0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:52.000
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of Yahoo's in their pickup trucks drinking beer

0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:55.280
<v Speaker 1>to a bunch of guys with cameras and somebody standing

0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:58.120
<v Speaker 1>there with a microphone in front of the spotlight talking

0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:02.680
<v Speaker 1>that person. Is is it like on YouTube or anything?

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, so like it's hard to know. Like that,

0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:10.360
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of that trend of like undercover reporting,

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Like was it undercover reporting like or or they trying

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 1>to emblazon? Were they like trying to sneak in? Was it? What?

0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Did I mean? It's just it's for me, it's hard

0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:24.719
<v Speaker 1>to tell. And you know, I agree with you, there's

0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:28.240
<v Speaker 1>no reason to send them away. But also like truly,

0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:31.520
<v Speaker 1>if you know somebody who owns the property lives like

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:34.120
<v Speaker 1>right there and they're like I'm trying to go to sleep,

0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:37.919
<v Speaker 1>they say, hey, cops on the phone, tell everybody go home.

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:40.360
<v Speaker 1>They don't know who's there. They just say it's loud

0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>out there. See. I got the impression the way I

0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 1>read it that the person showed up, that representative of

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the people showed up, and then there's a problem with

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:54.239
<v Speaker 1>the representative may not have cared who was there. Secretary.

0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:57.279
<v Speaker 1>She's like, it's midnight crap, Like I got called out

0:50:57.280 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 1>of bed by these rich people to go tell everybody

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:01.680
<v Speaker 1>go home. I'm gonna tell her to go home. It's

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 1>you're that's a very good point. But let's but but

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:07.960
<v Speaker 1>remember something else too, is that and that they can

0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:11.319
<v Speaker 1>boot them off the property because it's private property. But

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 1>right next to it is a road, which is public property.

0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:17.440
<v Speaker 1>And so if people really wanted to stay there and

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:19.880
<v Speaker 1>watch what the goings on and see if Satan appears,

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.640
<v Speaker 1>you can still do it. Yeah, well, did you you

0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 1>went on Google Did you go to the cemetery on

0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Google Maps and look at the street view this The

0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:31.840
<v Speaker 1>building itself is offset from the road. It's not like

0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:37.680
<v Speaker 1>it's right. Yeah, now that's fallen down. It's kind of

0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:39.400
<v Speaker 1>out of sight. Yeah, you can. You can kind of

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:41.960
<v Speaker 1>see it from some of the satellite photos. It's footprint,

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:44.640
<v Speaker 1>but it's not right there, it's a ways away. So

0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, let's just I'm just gonna make up number.

0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Let's say it was eighty yards away. That's a that's

0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:51.399
<v Speaker 1>a fair bit of way to be able to see

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:54.120
<v Speaker 1>anything at night with a video game. Yeah, but if

0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Satan is like appearing on Earth, he's probably like, there's

0:51:56.600 --> 0:51:59.120
<v Speaker 1>a light show and he probably it's a disco tech.

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:01.279
<v Speaker 1>Now well no, I'm just saying like there's some fire

0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:04.880
<v Speaker 1>and brimstone happening. Well so, but the thing about it

0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 1>is is Satan is there depending on why he's there.

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:10.640
<v Speaker 1>If he's there to visit his deformed child that's buried there,

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:12.640
<v Speaker 1>then he's gonna walk him on the tombstone. So you

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:14.800
<v Speaker 1>take a take a little night vision gear, you know

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:18.120
<v Speaker 1>when they with a little magnifying capability, and you know, Satan,

0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:21.399
<v Speaker 1>if he's there, was just sending Joe on location. Yeah

0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:24.799
<v Speaker 1>we really are. Alright, Well let's let's let's keep going here. Okay,

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:28.279
<v Speaker 1>all right, So the next theory is you're not gonna

0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:33.720
<v Speaker 1>believe this, it's a total hoax. Yeah, Well, the origin

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:38.080
<v Speaker 1>of this story and tell us Joe's you know, gone

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:39.879
<v Speaker 1>a little ahead of us, which is the big red

0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:44.239
<v Speaker 1>flag is when the story showed up back in the

0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:49.480
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties. Supposedly there was a professor at the University

0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:53.480
<v Speaker 1>of Kansas who made the story up about the Gateway

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:58.120
<v Speaker 1>to Hell being located installed. He made this urban legend

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:02.680
<v Speaker 1>ofb Now, and evidently he told it to his students

0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:06.759
<v Speaker 1>continually until it caught fire. But I don't know why

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:12.719
<v Speaker 1>someone would intentionally make a story like that up unless

0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:17.280
<v Speaker 1>he really had it in for someone in that town,

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:20.280
<v Speaker 1>or just the town itself, like you must have hated

0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:24.040
<v Speaker 1>some he saw the town named Stall and thought, Hey,

0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of like Skull. I'm going to make up

0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:28.960
<v Speaker 1>a creepy ghost story about it. Alternately, I mean, he

0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:31.000
<v Speaker 1>would just picked a small place that he didn't think

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.239
<v Speaker 1>any of his students would be from, which, well, the

0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:36.720
<v Speaker 1>University of Kansas, that's not I mean, I can't imagine

0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:39.239
<v Speaker 1>it's too far away. I didn't. I actually don't know

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:42.000
<v Speaker 1>how far away it is from Stall now that I

0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:44.000
<v Speaker 1>think about it, or that it would be a place

0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:46.840
<v Speaker 1>that enough people kind of knew about that it was real,

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:51.800
<v Speaker 1>a real place, but not like a lot of people

0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 1>knew people from there. I mean, I don't know. Actually,

0:53:57.719 --> 0:53:59.719
<v Speaker 1>it would be interesting. I mean, if this happened in

0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:03.080
<v Speaker 1>the would be interesting look at the population tables and

0:54:03.280 --> 0:54:05.560
<v Speaker 1>see what the tiniest town in Kansas is, and it

0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:09.839
<v Speaker 1>might very well be stolen. And and you know, going

0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:13.440
<v Speaker 1>going with her theory that he just picked the very

0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:16.080
<v Speaker 1>smallest town in Kansas he could find as the center

0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:20.440
<v Speaker 1>and every Halloween just story because she was she she

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:23.640
<v Speaker 1>wanted to like because distically speaking, it's less likely he's

0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 1>going to have a student from this town because it's

0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the tiniest town in Kansas and it's a what like

0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:30.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's a farm community, so like they don't send

0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:33.839
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of people to college, you know, I mean,

0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it's that's a fair thing to say. Well,

0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:40.799
<v Speaker 1>regardless regardless of what could have been the reason that

0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:45.600
<v Speaker 1>it happened from this professor. The story is supposedly was

0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:52.239
<v Speaker 1>repeated every year to his students, and nothing really happened

0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:58.399
<v Speaker 1>until either nineteen seventy two or nineteen seventy four, I'm

0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:02.480
<v Speaker 1>not sure which year. I tried to to get into

0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:05.760
<v Speaker 1>the archives to figure it out, but I couldn't get

0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:08.799
<v Speaker 1>the old archives from the university to come up. But

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the university newspaper reported this story, and I kept digging

0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and trying to and evidently they're back there. Back issues

0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:21.200
<v Speaker 1>are just not there. I couldn't get. Maybe if I

0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:22.960
<v Speaker 1>had pretended to have a student and try to log in,

0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:25.040
<v Speaker 1>I might have found a way, but I couldn't get.

0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:29.560
<v Speaker 1>But evidently the university newspaper reported it, and from that

0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:35.200
<v Speaker 1>point it started gaining traction, and the first report of

0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:40.680
<v Speaker 1>people showing up in mass is v eight win. Supposedly,

0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:44.719
<v Speaker 1>it's reported that a hundred and fifty people we got

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:47.719
<v Speaker 1>I guess they were all college students showed up to

0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:52.200
<v Speaker 1>see what would happen from there. It's grown to what

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 1>we have now of five people every Halloween showing up

0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and and trying to get in there, and now we

0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:02.000
<v Speaker 1>have the fence and police patrols and all of that.

0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:06.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, should we talk about doing this? Sometimes? I'm like,

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:08.719
<v Speaker 1>every once in a while, like I don't know, like

0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:11.880
<v Speaker 1>we talked about well maybe like there's always an like

0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:15.040
<v Speaker 1>outlying detail in a story that one of us will

0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:16.920
<v Speaker 1>bring up and we're like, man, that sounds like something

0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:19.160
<v Speaker 1>somebody was just like it would be funny if we

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:21.839
<v Speaker 1>could see if that could be pretty in article. Yeah,

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, we have talked about it'd be fun to

0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:28.040
<v Speaker 1>set up an alternative, an alternate website and and start

0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:31.440
<v Speaker 1>posting this stuff and just tacking stuff on people. Do

0:56:32.680 --> 0:56:37.680
<v Speaker 1>not outrageous to think that, like a philosophy or psychology professor,

0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:41.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, would use this for meeching moment or as

0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:44.399
<v Speaker 1>an experiment or whatever. You know. I think that makes

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:46.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time. Yeah, it could It could be.

0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:49.240
<v Speaker 1>It could be he wanted to start an urban legend

0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and that and so it would be a great you know,

0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and maybe he did it for that reason. Maybe he

0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:59.000
<v Speaker 1>started this little urban legend and then he would say

0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to the student class of a couple of years down

0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:04.719
<v Speaker 1>the line or something like that, he says, Okay, okay,

0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:06.840
<v Speaker 1>have you guys heard this story about the Gateway to

0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Hell and all that? How many of you? How many

0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:10.600
<v Speaker 1>of you heard this? Raise your hands, you know, and

0:57:10.600 --> 0:57:13.680
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff. Okay, you tell me about this story.

0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:15.920
<v Speaker 1>What have you heard? And they tell me that, and

0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:18.080
<v Speaker 1>so what do you think? You know? Well, let me

0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:21.880
<v Speaker 1>tell you something. I made it all up me myself, dude,

0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:24.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, as just as a sort of psychological experiment.

0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:27.880
<v Speaker 1>But I would I would think that if that were

0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:31.320
<v Speaker 1>the case, if that exact scenario were the case, then

0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:35.000
<v Speaker 1>there would be recounts of people saying, oh, yeah, I

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:39.320
<v Speaker 1>was in that guy's class and he admitted to making

0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:43.920
<v Speaker 1>it up. But there's nothing that I could find. And again,

0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:46.120
<v Speaker 1>this is this is one of those stories, and I

0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:51.320
<v Speaker 1>fully admit this everybody, one of those stories that is really, really,

0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:55.400
<v Speaker 1>really hard to find a lot of concrete information on.

0:57:55.480 --> 0:58:00.440
<v Speaker 1>But I did not see anything that said that he

0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:03.320
<v Speaker 1>admitted to making up. As it is, I couldn't even

0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:07.760
<v Speaker 1>find the name of the professor who supposedly made it up.

0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:11.360
<v Speaker 1>So to me, the professor making it up, it's just

0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:15.360
<v Speaker 1>as likely as the other theories, because I don't have

0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:22.720
<v Speaker 1>any brain of fact to this group right here, is

0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:26.520
<v Speaker 1>that you have just said, like to our entire listenership,

0:58:27.040 --> 0:58:29.640
<v Speaker 1>a professor making a story up to mess with the

0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:32.720
<v Speaker 1>students is just as likely as Satan being real and

0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:37.920
<v Speaker 1>coming they're They're both equally reasonable based on what I

0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:40.840
<v Speaker 1>have to go on. Yeah, I think I know the

0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:46.240
<v Speaker 1>name of the professor. His name was Professor Satan. I

0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:50.680
<v Speaker 1>thought he was one of the magazine ruses. Yeah, we

0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:52.320
<v Speaker 1>had this, I remember that. I'm back in the fifties.

0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:54.080
<v Speaker 1>We had this professor who told a story we had

0:58:54.080 --> 0:59:00.840
<v Speaker 1>this really strange way of talking, was like more non standing,

0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:05.560
<v Speaker 1>but only the goth kids passed the class. I like that,

0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:07.920
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to mention the faces that you'll make it.

0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I don't look at him when he makes

0:59:10.400 --> 0:59:13.880
<v Speaker 1>those faces. Actually put my papers in front of me.

0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Really really are you know? I mean as as as

0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:25.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of a kind of a final thought on this

0:59:25.160 --> 0:59:28.200
<v Speaker 1>story and before I opened it up to the pair

0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:33.240
<v Speaker 1>of you, my, my, my final thoughts are I personally,

0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't hold a lot of stock in the occult

0:59:37.560 --> 0:59:41.880
<v Speaker 1>and those kind of stories. I mean, I admit fully

0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:46.880
<v Speaker 1>there are things that I have heard and seen that

0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I can't account for in any logical manner. In other words,

0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't I don't have an explanation for whether I've

0:59:54.880 --> 0:59:57.560
<v Speaker 1>seen it myself, or I've heard about or seen it

0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:02.560
<v Speaker 1>on recordings, whatever the case. Maybe, But you know, that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't say that it is or isn't true. So I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that this story is real, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can't say that some part of it isn't real. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's I think that's why I wanted to to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have this as our kickoff for Halloween, because there's

1:00:22.360 --> 1:00:26.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of crap here, but there's also a lot

1:00:26.560 --> 1:00:31.080
<v Speaker 1>of potentials that could have happened. So that's the really

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<v Speaker 1>difficult part. And I know that something we try to

1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:36.360
<v Speaker 1>tackle is is peeling those layers apart to find the

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<v Speaker 1>real thing from from the not so real things. That's real.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a great experience, Steve. But you know that

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<v Speaker 1>that that's where I stand in this. So I I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that I buy this, but you know this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is completely outside of the things that I

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<v Speaker 1>would normally jump into. Yeah, I'm I'm on, I'm on,

1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:58.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, unstable footing. Yeah, well I am I think

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<v Speaker 1>that number one. As I talked about this a little earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>But Hell is like heaven. It's not a place that

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<v Speaker 1>you reach physically, you know, it's a place. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>place where you it's like in another dimension on and

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<v Speaker 1>so so it's a level of transcendences. Yeah, And so

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there is there is a gateway to Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the entire planet, which is like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can be you can you can do

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<v Speaker 1>things that will well. The entire planet conversely, is a

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<v Speaker 1>gateway to Heaven exactly. But you can do things anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>on the planet that will earn you entrance to Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, and that's that's your gateway right there.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you go to Hell, you don't. Your your

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<v Speaker 1>soul goes there, not your body, So you don't need

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<v Speaker 1>a stairway or a gateway or anything else to get

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<v Speaker 1>to Hell. I think the gateway is a physical manifestation

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<v Speaker 1>for us to be able to recognize it. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't think there's any such thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It's a fun story. You there's there's all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of people out there saying stories about oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you get down there, that's things pulling you down and

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<v Speaker 1>you you go, can't there. You hear moans and horrible

1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:04.960
<v Speaker 1>noises and scary stuff, and your flashlights will stop working.

1:02:05.880 --> 1:02:08.560
<v Speaker 1>You always got you gotta break like seventeen times the

1:02:08.600 --> 1:02:13.240
<v Speaker 1>amount of batteries you need to Yeah, that's in the accounts, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Which it doesn't really make any sense because if you're

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<v Speaker 1>if your flashlight's gonna crap out because Satan has messed

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<v Speaker 1>with your the batteries and your flashlight, well guess what

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<v Speaker 1>your backup batteries have been messed with equally, so bringing

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<v Speaker 1>backup batteries isn't going to do you any good? Can

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<v Speaker 1>I can? I can? I go down the poulter geist

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<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole here briefly with you on that, and I

1:02:34.640 --> 1:02:37.400
<v Speaker 1>can't believe I'm about to do this. I can't either. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is really weird because I'm the total

1:02:39.680 --> 1:02:42.960
<v Speaker 1>skeptic on this stuff. But the things that I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>is that let's let's equate any kind of presence a

1:02:49.720 --> 1:02:53.120
<v Speaker 1>metaphysical presence, whether it be satan or a polter geist

1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:56.160
<v Speaker 1>or a ghost or whatever. We they you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>equate them to an electrical disturbance. Can So if I

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<v Speaker 1>have two batteries making connection inside of a flashlight, that

1:03:06.960 --> 1:03:10.880
<v Speaker 1>is making a circuit, which is an electrical circuit. So

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<v Speaker 1>when this electrical disturbance comes through, it screws up that

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<v Speaker 1>connection and it drains that connection. But those batteries themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that you haven't put in your flashlight, that

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<v Speaker 1>are just sitting in your bag, they're an unconnected circuit,

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<v Speaker 1>so therefore they cannot be drained by that field. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're still gonna work, right, And I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>just need to point out the fact that, like you

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<v Speaker 1>went there and I was like, yeah, but it's more

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<v Speaker 1>fun to mess with people if they like put their

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<v Speaker 1>batteries in and then you like short it out again. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like it's way more fun if they have

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<v Speaker 1>to do that seventeen times than like shorting everything out

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<v Speaker 1>at one. You physics meet fun, I guess, yeah, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it depends. I mean, I suppose if if this uh,

1:03:56.880 --> 1:04:00.480
<v Speaker 1>this presence can can suck energy auto based basically from

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<v Speaker 1>a completed circuit. It wants electrical energy for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>it wants manifestation or it generates it, and it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like e MP, it overloads it, which would pop

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<v Speaker 1>the bulb. That would kill that would that would that

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<v Speaker 1>would fry the bulb in the flashlight. Yeah, I would

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<v Speaker 1>fry the Yeah, you can't really fry a flashlight because

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<v Speaker 1>it's so simple. Yeah, but it's like yeah, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>hardly yeah, drain it or whatever. Yeah, who the hell knows.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's possibly somebody made that up. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm kind of with you, like I hate

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<v Speaker 1>to admit the fact that, like it's just as possible

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<v Speaker 1>that a college professor made this up as it is

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<v Speaker 1>that SATAN really is like using a physical stairway to

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<v Speaker 1>literally walk upstairs in a physical being clop clop clop

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, you know, regardless of what I believe about

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<v Speaker 1>like heaven or Hell and what those things might be.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think it's fairly widely accepted that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a place that you physically go in your physical

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<v Speaker 1>whole body. You know, it's a place that your spirit goes. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>the people or things that rule those spaces would also

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<v Speaker 1>not be like physical beings that like have physical bodies

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<v Speaker 1>that they have to use a stairway to get someplace.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also, I guess doesn't explain there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of big question marks that aren't really well explained by

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<v Speaker 1>you know, saying like, well, but it's not real. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is one of those weird crazy doozies where

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a good answer for you. I'm sorry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think we're all kind of on defense

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<v Speaker 1>on this. Yeah. It's like I don't know if say

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<v Speaker 1>it exists or not. And you know, I'm open to

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility of the existence of say, demons and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I mean, they may they may actually exist. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but don't the stairway now not buying it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well there there'll be the end of that, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen, Well, as always, this is the best

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<v Speaker 1>the emails. Sorry, I just can't deal with that. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>That having been said, ladies in Germs, we're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and wrap this one up, so until next week

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<v Speaker 1>when we have another spooky story, we will talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you then go oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. That's

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<v Speaker 1>weird