1 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: Well, hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Steve has 2 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: always been joined by Devin and Joe and this is 3 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: thinking Sideways in the podcast the podcast, the podcast There's 4 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: Imitators is the podcast the o G podcast O G Original. 5 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I know what o G means. I'm 6 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: just shocked at curious. Uh well, yeah, we just shattered that. Okay, 7 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: Well before actually, before we get into night's show, I 8 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: just kind of want to give everybody a little bit 9 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: of an idea what's going on here today. This is 10 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: the beginning of something special. It's very special special as 11 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: in what we're going to be doing for this month. 12 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: This show will be coming out on the first week 13 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: of October and for the entire month of October, since 14 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: it's that month that's spooky, spooky month, We're going to 15 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: do stories that are kind of based around Halloween. Spooky 16 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: stories like my story is gonna be Cash for the 17 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: Friendly Ghost Factory. Fiction is not going to do that 18 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: story how to get some clanking chains? Hang on now 19 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: I do. I'm going to give everybody a little bit 20 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: of a teaser, and that is that at the end 21 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: of the month, we're going to be doing a show 22 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: that is what I would consider kind of a big 23 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: Halloween favorite. I would say, that's true, that's pretty scary. 24 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: We've gotten lots of requests for it, we have, and 25 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: I think that's all we're gonna tell people. We're just 26 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: gonna leave you on the hook. You're gonna have to 27 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: wait the next couple of weeks, four of them. Yeah. Actually, 28 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: if you can, guests, send us an email if you 29 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: want to take a guess. If you guess correctly, then 30 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: you'll get a free Thinking Sideways T shirt if we 31 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: ever start making him. And yeah, so I feel if 32 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: you want to head just I'll let me say it's 33 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: a very well known thing, okay, yeah, and that so 34 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: please take again it And as they say on with 35 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: the show, today's story takes place in Stall, Kansas, which 36 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: is about fifty miles from Kansas City or Missouri or 37 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: it's you said, it's about ten outside of Lawrence. Yeah. Yeah, 38 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: and everybody knows where that is, of course, yeah, of course. Uh. 39 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: And there's there's quite as it's been quite a legend 40 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: around that area. It's pretty well known and depending on 41 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: the sources, this story has been around for anywhere from 42 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: fifty to a hundred plus years. Yeah, though it's it 43 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: seems too well. I'll talk about that more later. Yeah, 44 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: just quickly, then, let me describe Stall, because I got 45 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: a Google streep you this afternoon look at everything, and yeah, 46 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: I know, I know. Um. And so it's title town 47 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: of I don't know, twenty or thirty people or something 48 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: like that. Not very many people lived there. And by 49 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: the way, when I was cruising through on Google street View, 50 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: not a soul was evident, not a single human being 51 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: was in sight. Well that was the story, the story 52 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: itself from this creepy little town. According to Joe, all 53 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: centers around the cemetery in that town, and in the 54 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: cemetery supposedly is a gateway to help. So here's the legend. 55 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:36,119 Speaker 1: In eighteen sixty seven a church was built where currently 56 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: the Stall cemeteries located, and that church was eventually abandoned 57 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: and it fell into disrepair. Maybe part of the reason 58 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: is the fact that behind the church is a set 59 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: of stairs, which, according to the legend, opens up on 60 00:03:53,640 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: Halloween and from it emerges Satan himself. That's right, old scratch. 61 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: And why do you know why? Because because he want 62 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. Maybe well, yeah, probably to reclaim 63 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: the souls of the damned. Well, there's actually a lot 64 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: of supposed reasons why Satan comes out of this stairway 65 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: on Halloween at midnight on Halloween every year, and this 66 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: is kind of a laundry list. I'm sorry. Is it 67 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: just the one night or is there another night? Well, 68 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: depends on the accounts. There's Halloween, there's the spring or 69 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: summer equinox, supposedly, I mean, people account a lot of 70 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: different days and it's that midnight, but it's always at midnight. Interesting, 71 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: always at midden. I have such a problem with that time. 72 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: But okay, sure, why well, okay, so in pretty much 73 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: all of the like accepted Christian lore, the night, the 74 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: hour of the witching hour, almost the hour of beast 75 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: is actually three am. So it's always interesting when people 76 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: are like, oh, yeah, it's a midnight, because that's like, 77 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, not nearly as like credit double credible. 78 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: There we go with the word I'm looking for. It's 79 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: not only as credible or like mysterious and believable to 80 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: me as when people are like, oh, it was like 81 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: almost three am. I think it's got something to do 82 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: with the you know, the clock hitting and the night spinning. 83 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, there's all kinds of it's always it's 84 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: always midnight. Midnight has always had that sort of creepiness 85 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: about it, or so for some reason, just the very 86 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: word midnight. Yeah yeah, all right, Well, let's let's go 87 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: through this, this list of supposed reasons as to why 88 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: Satan himself comes out every night. The first is that 89 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: the graveyard which the church is located on, sits on 90 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: one of the seven points on this planet where the 91 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: devil has his gateways. There's okay, run with me here. 92 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: There's seven gateways to Hell on this planet. Supposedly one 93 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: of them is located somewhere in India, and according to 94 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: the legend, it just happens to be that Stall, Kansas 95 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: houses one of those very spots. So they just had 96 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: the bad luck to build their church right right the 97 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: top of a stairway to Hell. Basically, yeah, so yeah, 98 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: they had a really bad surveyor I don't know, I 99 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: would guess that there was some kind of like, oh, yeah, 100 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: there was a draw there because there was so much 101 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: evil and they felt the need to cleanse it. But 102 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: and and we're gonna we'll go into some of that stuff. 103 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: Let then let me just kind of run through this. 104 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,559 Speaker 1: Think the Satan put some some warning signs up, don't 105 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: build here, you know, because that's the way he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 106 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: he's a real warner. Wants you to build there, all right. 107 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: The next is that that location was a favorite spots 108 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: for witches to practice black arts, and they do this 109 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: because of the fact that this place is a focal 110 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: point for black magic. Again, if I'm guessing this is 111 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: based on being a gateway, this focus one of the 112 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: seven points on the planet, and also because there's a 113 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: large pine tree on the grounds that was used to 114 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: hang at one time, which is I just feel like 115 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: this is a chicken egg scenario. Yeah, well, let me 116 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: let me keep going. I got a tree to talk about. 117 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: The tree has been in the graveyard evidently for decades 118 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: and up until several years ago when it was cut down. 119 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: But evidently there was a headstone at the base of 120 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: the tree, and the tree had grown up and around 121 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: this headstone and eventually split it apart, which is something 122 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: that people point to as evidence that it's an evil place. 123 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: That's just kind of what tree roots do. Yeah, I know, 124 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: let's see. The next one is that Satan is visiting 125 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: a dead witch who was at one time his bride 126 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: who was buried there. Yeah, as we saw on the 127 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: thrilling documentary of Corpse Bride. I didn't see that one. 128 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: Putting them before I get too far off, I'm pretty sure. 129 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: Did Do you ever, either of you ever watch that 130 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: TV shows Supernatural? That's it's not on anymore, right, I 131 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: think it might be done. I I watched some. Yeah, 132 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: but evidently evidently there was an episode where they actually 133 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: played off of this whole Gateway to Hell installed and 134 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: there was a season finale where they were shutting the 135 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: Gateway to Hell and it was installed, and they were 136 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: like inside them, they were shutting the Gateway to Hell. 137 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: They were closing it from it was closed on them. 138 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: They were closing it to stop the evening escaping. I 139 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: haven't seen the episode. I just happened to find something 140 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: that related to and then read it on IMDb. Padlock 141 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, I think concrete. Yeah, Okay. The next 142 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: reason that Satan would be coming out at that location, 143 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: he's visiting a son that he had with a witch, 144 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: and that son was so deformed that he only lived 145 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: for a few days end. According to the legend, the 146 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: ghost of this boy appears on Halloween as a werewolf 147 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: and scares or chases people off of the grounds or 148 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: prowls around the woods. How many? How many supernatural legends 149 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: can we cram into one theory? Just wait? Actually, I 150 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: which attack a few more on Well we're at it. Well, 151 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: let me let me before you start working on these, 152 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: let me just give you the rest of them, because well, 153 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: I gotta say the story about Satan's son who was 154 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: it was deformed and diet maybe you know, I feel 155 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: really sorry for Satan. I'm next up the legends. And 156 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: this is again another reason that it's so haunted and 157 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: so terrible. Is that in the eighteen fifties, the mayor 158 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: of the town of Stall was stabbed to death by 159 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: a stable hand in a stone barn that was on 160 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: the cemetery grounds. And I'm guessing the idea behind that 161 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: is that it's desecrations of hallowed ground. I've got to 162 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: guess that's why this would be a reason, but I'm 163 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: not sure. Like the Indian grave thing, right, you're you know, 164 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: this is a hallowed site and then you commit murder, 165 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: although I guess that would mean that no more than 166 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: seventeen years later, but probably like ten years later they 167 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: built a church on top of that building. So that's 168 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: a weird. I'm sorry, I'm just like attacking, but I 169 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: need I need a little clarification here. Okay, So the 170 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: town was stabbed and that's what attracted Satan to it, 171 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: or it was the gateway was already there, and I 172 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: think it attracted Satan. Again, it's so it's committing murder 173 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: on on hallowed ground. That wasn't that that it was 174 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: a cemetery at that time, which is technically theoretically according 175 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, it was supposed to be. When when it's 176 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: a um some kind of religious burial area, you know, 177 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: it's whatever. I can't remember. It was Germanic people that 178 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: had settled the area and had made the graveyard, and 179 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: suddenly I can't remember whether they were Catholic or what. 180 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: But you know, if it's at that point it's a graveyard, 181 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: it's a hallowed piece of ground. But it was in 182 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: a barn on a graveyard. So how does that make 183 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: a difference. You know? I think what we need to 184 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: do is actually that there's a really cool graveyard not 185 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: far from where I live. It's a it's a very 186 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: old Pioneer Graveyard. Let's let's go murder somebody there and 187 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: see if it's stairway the hell appears. Okay, onto the 188 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: next one. Thank you, thank you for making Halloween just 189 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: got weirder. Thanks Joe. Uh here's our next one. In 190 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, and I don't have a year, but 191 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: this will be, you know, between nineteen hundred nineteen ten, 192 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: when everybody calls at the nineteen hundreds, I'm guessing that's 193 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: the time range we're looking at. A boy was accidentally 194 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: burned to death by his own father while he was 195 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: burning a field. So Dad, it's burned in the field, 196 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: doesn't realize the boys in the field, and its walk 197 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: out of the field or dies from smoke anilation, I 198 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: don't know for sure. And then a few years later 199 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: a man in the town was found hanging from a tree, 200 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: and I have to presume it's that same pine tree. 201 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: Um And both of these took place near a road 202 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: that was known as Devil's Road, which appeared on old 203 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: maps of Stall, but it doesn't exist anymore, so it's 204 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: it's not a modern road. You can't go on Google 205 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: maps and find it. But you know, some of the 206 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: hype maybe the fact that Stall is located. Also, this 207 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: is another thing to kind of go in that same 208 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: same vein, is that in the state, Stall is in 209 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: the Topeka zip code, and that's evidently has the prefix 210 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: of six six six the market of least this this 211 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: and this attracted Satan to the spot. I don't I'm 212 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: guessing we're still We're still. This is on the laundry 213 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: list of things that are built up around why Satan 214 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: might be coming there. I can't point it was attracted 215 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: to the six six six postal code, which didn't come 216 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: into exist as a delay in the nineteen sixties. I 217 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: don't know. Also, like, are we going to discuss the 218 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: fact that it turns out that six six six is 219 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: actually like a misinterpret misinterpretation. Actually we can actually talk 220 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: about that right now, I mean, what do we I 221 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: don't remember what is the translation? Correct, It's like six 222 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: six one or something. Six nine six is one possible 223 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: interpretation of it. It's not six six six whatever it is. Yes, 224 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: I know that that it's a misinterpretation. And the that 225 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: reminds me I saw this whole laundry list in this 226 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: in this humorous email that was rocketing around it was 227 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: like all these different numbers, like you know, six six 228 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: six six six six six six six social Security now 229 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: broke the beast and we're just the whole there, riffed 230 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: on the whole thing they had. Yeah, because we're not 231 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: done yet with the reasons why Satan might be coming 232 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: to this place. Uh. And and I should probably just 233 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: go ahead and say something right now, which is this 234 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: story kind of has the feel of a very urban legend. Yeah, 235 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: it's totally got the urban legend field, So don't I 236 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: think everybody who's listening is probably figured that out by now. 237 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: But I just want to say that, which is why 238 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: I want to get all of these supposed reasons out 239 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: there and out of the way. If you're already packing 240 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: your bags and then gassing up your car, is to 241 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: drive the Kansas to go look at this place. Hold 242 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: off a bit until we get to the end of 243 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you you'll find a few things. Um. Now, 244 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: this doesn't say exactly why he's going to that location, 245 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: but one of the things that it's believed he's doing 246 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: by I mean out at midnight on Halloween, is that 247 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: he's gathering up all of the souls in the area 248 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: and by the area. I don't know how big that is. 249 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what that denotes. Is that the continental 250 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: US or is that just that area code? I don't know. 251 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: I like that. I like it that he operates by 252 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: ZIP code. Yeah, that's kind of cool. But but he's 253 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: gathering up all the souls in the area who died 254 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: of a violent death that year to then parade them 255 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: around the earth for one more night before taking them 256 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: back to Hell. Nice. Although just because somebody died of 257 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: violent death doesn't mean they gotta go to hell. Yeah, 258 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: because you never know, maybe you do go to Hell 259 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: for diying of violent death. You know, if you weren't 260 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: smart enough to out without what your adversary, maybe it 261 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: God send you to Hell for that. So sorry, you 262 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: guys were talking about something, but I was busy off 263 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: in google land. Um so I found the number of 264 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: the base, the actual number. It's um six one six. Well, okay, no, 265 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's Google says it's six one six point 266 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: six six six six six, So it's not a whole number, 267 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: it's not calculated number. So I guess the world's hardest. 268 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: I guess it's six one seven because you're round up. 269 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: But I don't. I mean, I'm just saying so, just 270 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: so f y I every listener, that is the number 271 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: of the piece, six six point six six six six six. 272 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where the number comes 273 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: from and why a fraction is attached to it, but 274 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe maybe look it up later. Let's 275 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: let's keep and sorry, that's all right, I like that, Okay, Well, 276 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: and this is just more to add to the legend. 277 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: Less of a reason why Satan would come around, but 278 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: thanks to his presence, evidently strange things happen in the graveyard, 279 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: and these are a lot of room. This is some 280 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: reports on all hallow z Halloween. People keep saying that 281 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: they are reporting strange moaning noises that the old church 282 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: that's on the property on the graveyard, that church that 283 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: we that was built, uh, still had a crucifix on 284 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: the wall, and evidently on Halloween the crucifix would spin 285 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: a hundred eighty degrees so that it was upside down, 286 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: which kind of sounds like pranksters to me. And I 287 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: also don't know that it would still be attached to 288 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: the wall, but that's what people say is happening. Think 289 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: somebody would have stolen a long time ago, you would, uh. 290 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: And and actually you know that there's a lot of 291 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: focus on the church. This this, the church this on 292 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: this site has spawned and helped foster a lot of 293 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: the stories in the legends. The church itself in the 294 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: early nine hundreds caught fire for reasons unknown. I could 295 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: never find out what caused the fire. It was never 296 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: recorded anywhere that I could track down. Probably caused by 297 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: something flammable. But after it caught fire, stop being used. 298 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: And some people are saying that the religious community actually 299 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: destroyed the church themselves in an effort to seal the 300 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: gateway to Hell. So yeah, and because it wasn't maintained 301 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: for so long, the roof of the church actually blew 302 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: off many years ago, likely in a big windstorm, just 303 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: ripped off. So it's a building with no roof. That 304 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: sounds so much like an episode of True Detective. I 305 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: can't even tell I remember that church. But being open 306 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: to the sky, uh, it seems to be one thing 307 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: that that helps some of the stories. Um. It seems 308 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: to help the idea that witches and black magic are 309 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: taking place because they can get in on their flying broomsticks. 310 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: Now yeah, and they you know, they're not going to 311 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: be seen by anybody when they're doing their their practices. 312 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: According to the stories, when it rained in the area, 313 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: water would not fall on the inside of the church, 314 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: but instead would run off as if the roof was 315 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: still there. Well, obviously the rain didn't get the news. 316 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: Evidently there are reports that strong winds were actually happening 317 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: inside of the church. So this is this is kind 318 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: of that Poultergeist area where there's just strange cold spots 319 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: and winds out of nowhere. And there was one guy 320 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: who said that the wind was so strong it knocked 321 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: him over and quote held him down and wouldn't let 322 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: him up for a while. So they were probably hot 323 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: winds and they smelled the sulfur and all that stuff. 324 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: Never heard that part. Nobody ever commented on the temperature, 325 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: which was a little funny to me for that same reason, 326 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: I know. But we still got some more things that 327 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 1: are about the church. Man. Oh yeah, there's a lot here. Uh, 328 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: there's there's glass bottles, so I don't know if you 329 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: guys had come across, but they yeah, some people say, 330 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: and they are adamant about this, that if you throw 331 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: through a glass bottle at the interior wall of the 332 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: church on Halloween, it wouldn't break. Or if you held 333 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: two glass bottles in the shape of the cross and 334 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: hit him against the wall, they wouldn't break, which is 335 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: a little odd that that also then spawns people to 336 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 1: say that, well, if you did throw a bottle at 337 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: the wall and it did break, then you were going 338 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,239 Speaker 1: to hell. It's so convenient. It's so convenient. I just like, 339 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: for a second, like these kinds of stories are just 340 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: like the worst, right, because you're like, well, it didn't 341 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,239 Speaker 1: break for me, but if it breaks for you, you're 342 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: going to hell, which is like it a house for 343 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: the fact that like anybody who has like a fine 344 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: grasp of physics or like feels like they want to 345 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: do it, they are going to go and it's gonna break, 346 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: and they're gonna be like, oh, well, maybe I'm going 347 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: to hell. Or I have a really thick wine bottle 348 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: and you have a very thin walled vodka bottle. There's 349 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: always that even beer bottles don't breaks as easily as 350 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: you would think. I remember many years ago, I was 351 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: out with a friend and we were kind of bored, 352 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: and uh so we decided to make a Molotov cocktail. 353 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: So he poured some gasoline into a Raineer pounder, which 354 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: is a sixty in beer ball, which is actually, uh 355 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: not as heavily built as like say a long neck 356 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: bottle like you find a bud in or something like that. 357 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: Those are those have thicker walls than the old Rainier pounders. 358 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: And so we we stuffed a rag and you know, 359 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: and then it was about half filled with gasoling and 360 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: stuff to raging. And I'm so afraid it was. And 361 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: so we were out and we go out to the 362 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere and we um and we light the 363 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: rag on fire, and then then we take the bottle 364 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: and fling it like fling it hard down the road 365 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: about twenty ft, you know, that's what. It hits the 366 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: pavement good and hard, and it didn't break. And yeah, 367 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: so beer bottles don't break is easily a sea things. 368 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: But I have a theory about the origin of this, 369 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: particularly this particular thing. Okay, let's hear this. Yeah, I'm curious, 370 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: and just I'm curious. I think that somebody decided to 371 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: insert this in the legend at some point. This is 372 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: the glass bottle, the glass bottle that that won't break. 373 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: No matter, how are you start against the wall. I 374 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: think whoever was doing it was being was some guy 375 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: and probably as Lateeen's earliest one, who was being a 376 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: complete flaming and thought, I know, I'm gonna trick all 377 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: these people that go out there and the smashing bottles 378 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: and leaving broken glass everywhere. So and so I think 379 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: that's what I think it was. Could be all right? Well, 380 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: and and and we've we're not done here with the 381 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: legend and the stories around the legend. Uh, there are 382 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: threads out there that say the name of the town 383 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: was actually Skull and not Stall. So the town is 384 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: s t U l L. And people are saying that 385 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: that T was actually a K at one point, so 386 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: it was the town of Skull, but the residents changed 387 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: the name just Stall as a way to try to 388 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 1: repent from the bad deeds that had happened there and 389 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: throw people off from the trail of everything wrong that 390 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: was done. If you're going to change your town name 391 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: from Skull, I mean, just like change it a little more, 392 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: maybe maybe like Scroll or like Keaven. How about I mean, 393 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: like really you know the fact that you like change 394 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: one letter in your thing, like that's probably we're not 395 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: going to help so much. Maybe just be like no, no, no, 396 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: we're called normal now. Well no, they just were as 397 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: creative in the olden days. Apparently they didn't have the internets. 398 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: They could have come up with something else. This is 399 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: pretty I never I never knew that Kansas was such 400 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: a hot bit of black magic and witchery. Evidently it is. Okay, well, 401 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: let's uh, let's let's actually get back to the Gateway 402 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: of Hell, because we've been talking about Satan appearing and 403 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: the reasons that he is. But like I said, the 404 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: gateway is supposedly located at the church, and it's supposedly 405 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: located on the side of the church. But it's not 406 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: easy to find. This is because it isn't used by 407 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: people much, you know, excluding Satan, because he's not a 408 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: person but people, which people either okay, um, And and 409 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: so it's been overgrown with grass and scrub and all 410 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: of that. But people say that if you do manage 411 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: to find the stairs and you start to walk down 412 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: him and again this is the story, you will lose 413 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,959 Speaker 1: control of your body and supposedly it would feel as 414 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: if another force was compelling you forward. Okay, And then 415 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: then then the story diverges into two veins. Version one 416 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: says that if you do indeed take the stairs, you'll 417 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: descend to Hell, but you'll never be able to come back. 418 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how anyone would know that, but okay, well, 419 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: you know Dave went down the stairs and he never 420 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: came back, so probably don't walk down the stairs. Whatever. 421 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: The second version is that if you take the stairs 422 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: and you descend to Hell, it's gonna take you two 423 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: weeks to make it back out, but you won't realize 424 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: that that much time has past, because yes, this place 425 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: also causes lost time. Like all this makes me think 426 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: about is Monty Python and the Holy Grail, where she 427 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: turned me into a new Well, you don't look like, 428 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: well I got better. I went in Hell. They took me. Well, 429 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: you're not in Hell anymore. I got better. I don't know. 430 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: I actually want to go check this out because I 431 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: think it would be I think it would be actually 432 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: very cool if I could go visit Hell, se check 433 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: it out, and then come back and then, you know, 434 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: if you needed to repair awesome actually existed at Yeah, definitely. 435 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: All right, So I guess we're gonna take a road 436 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: trip because I'm okay with Joe descending into hell and 437 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: maybe never coming back, but maybe coming back in two weeks. 438 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: You're just going to hang out for two weeks for 439 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: we could do it. Oh yeah, well, thankfully a pre recording. 440 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: We'll be all right for a little while. Ye're all right. 441 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: So here's here's one thing to note. The church just 442 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: not standing anymore. Evidently in two thousand and two, though, 443 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: who did this is in a little bit of conflict. 444 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: The church was torn down, and there's versions that say 445 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: and these versions that you read about is that the 446 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: property owners say they didn't authorize it and don't know 447 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: who did it. And then there's other versions where it 448 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: said that the property owners did authorize it and they 449 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: hired somebody with a piece big chunk of machine or 450 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, a cat or something down to come over 451 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 1: and just knock it down. And it collapsed. It just 452 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: fell right down as soon as they got to it. 453 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: And actually, another thing that I heard is that one 454 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: of them, because there's there's houses right there, there's people 455 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: that live very close. Apparently one of those had noticed 456 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: about a week before this, when it was torn down, 457 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: one of them had noticed that one of the walls 458 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: had collapsed in a storm or something. And that's that's 459 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: a very good point. The thing was a giant hazard. Yeah, 460 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean it hadn't had a roof for years. This 461 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: folks to to describe this to you. It was stone walls. 462 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't brick. It was stacked stone walls, which when 463 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: they don't have a structure on top to stabilize them, 464 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: tend to bow and want to fall over. Well, especially 465 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: if if one wall or corner collapses, you really lose 466 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: a lot of support and stability there. And so I 467 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: think the owner probably just had it knocked down for 468 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: safety reasons and liability reasons. Yeah, it's and I I 469 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: leaned that same way because some of the articles I've 470 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: read say that there's that they're quoting the owner of 471 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: the property. But you know, it's the Internet, and some 472 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: of these stories you can't really track to tell if 473 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: that's really their source or not. Yeah. You know. Actually 474 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: another theory that I heard, actually I made it up 475 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: just now. The owner wanted to build a retaining wall. 476 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: So you're obsessed with retaining walls lately. That's because you 477 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: want one. Okay, Well, here we're gonna go to a 478 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: anecdotal bit of legendary. Is that I just make that 479 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: word legendary? Is that a real word? Yeah, that legendary, 480 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: but legendary. I think the word you want to use 481 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: instead of anecdotal is apocryphal. There that sbscribes as to 482 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: a t okay. According to this, the Pope visited the 483 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: United States back in the nineties. Well he did. I mean, 484 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: let's be fair that he did. Uh, and he told 485 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: his pilot to go around the entire state of Kansas 486 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: because he didn't want to fly over un sacred ground. Well, 487 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: let's be fair. Un sacred ground just mean there's un 488 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: sacred air space to palm. What wait a minute, what 489 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: the aboat? It's it's like a giant column all the 490 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: way to space of unholy ground, all the way through 491 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: the universe. Well, well, while all that's circulating around, all 492 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: these stories are circulating around, all of these things that 493 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: we've just covered in however long, it just turned throne um. 494 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: It's no wonder that every year yards of people calm 495 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: to the graveyard to try and see Satan make his 496 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: grand appear. And you know, every single one of those peoples, 497 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: after he crains his beer, has to run over the 498 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: church and try to smash it against the well. Because 499 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: there's so many people coming to the graveyard every year. 500 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: The graveyard is now circled with cyclone fencing and if 501 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: you look at this on Google, to go to Google 502 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: and you go to stree Few, you see nothing but 503 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: chainling fencing around the entire thing and passing and no 504 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: trespassing signs. And every year on Halloween the cops are 505 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: there and they are escorting people away from the area 506 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: and they will threaten them with fines and jail time 507 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 1: for trespassing private property. Apparently the locals are actually not 508 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: real about this. Oh no, they hate this. Let me 509 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: just be very very obvious. They hate this story because 510 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: they have relatives who are buried in that graveyard. And 511 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of vandalism that comes from a bunch 512 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: of drunken Yahoo's out on Halloween, smashing bottles, knocking over headstones. 513 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not just that. I mean, like, we've 514 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: just spent what the last like half an hour recounting 515 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: all of these different things that have been tied in. 516 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: And you know, if your family lives in this place 517 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: for long enough, you know maybe it was you're like 518 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: great great grandfather who accidentally killed that boy in a 519 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: fire and like and brought the whole thing. Well, no, 520 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: but like that's a tragic story of history and being 521 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: exploited to be a part of Satan's grand plan. Like 522 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: that's track. There's people now, you know, who have died 523 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: in the last year who it's not as if this 524 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: is a history. This is an active graveyard, people who've 525 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: died within the last probably i'd say, six months. And 526 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: it's got some very old graves in there, it does, 527 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: but it's got some very new graves. And there are 528 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: stories of people going there days after Halloween and finding 529 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: the headstone of their loved one knocked over and broken 530 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: because people were doing whatever they were doing and knocking 531 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: stuff over. How do you know it wasn't Satan that 532 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: knocked with that headstone. I was going to say, it 533 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: just shows them for like showing off their wealth of 534 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: getting like a headstone that's above ground. We're both wore 535 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: old people, Joe, Yeah, both are. I have to say that. 536 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: And and this is to me kind of unfathomable, but 537 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: like you know, I go for walks and runs to 538 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: the nearby Pioneer Cemetery near my house sometimes and there's 539 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 1: vandalism there too, and it's it's kind of amazing that 540 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: people would vandalize headstone, but people do it. Know, people 541 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: vandalize everything, and I don't understand it. I understand graffiti 542 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: as an art form in certain applications, but tagging I 543 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: don't agree with because that's usually just a defacement of 544 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: property and usually it's there's nothing artistic about it. Okay, well, 545 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: that tag might be artistic in its own sense, but 546 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: when you reproduce in a hundred times on every signpost 547 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: and building, then it just becomes junk. So it's it's 548 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: just visual junk. But and by the way, when that 549 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: when that tagger is caught, I think he needs to 550 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: get a special tag tattooed on his forehead. Well, let's 551 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: let's move not to theories but problems problem So all 552 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: of those legendary things that we just talked about, there 553 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: is a ton of problems with them, and I just 554 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: want to suss out a couple of them right off 555 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: the bat. The town of Stall was originally named Deer Creek, 556 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: and that community in eight got its own post office. 557 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: At that time. It was then called Stall after the 558 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: for the name of the first postmaster. They had Sylvester's Stall. 559 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: So the town being named Skull that's out that's out 560 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: right off the batall used to be Selvester's Skull and 561 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: then he changed his name. Listen, skeletor stop it? Okay, 562 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: do you remember the part that there was the one 563 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: part of the legend of the mayor being stabbed, right, Well, 564 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: it turns out the town hasn't officially had a mayor 565 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: ever ever. H Well, I mean it's it's kind of 566 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: too small to really have a mayor, don't you think 567 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: it is? Um And by the way, I assume the 568 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: local police are like the county sheriff. I believe it's 569 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: the County Mounties. There's there's no actual stole police forces 570 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: from what I could see. So yeah, it's obviously there's 571 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: no one there that's actually the mayor. That's a problem 572 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: unless you know they're saying, hey, we could call you 573 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: the mayor. Don't call me the mayor. I know what 574 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: happened to the last mayor. I'm not taking that for 575 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: spinal tap, all right. So I haven't been able to 576 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: find any concrete evidence that the stairs and their cover exists. Now, 577 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: there are a lot of stories about people searching for 578 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: him and quote unquote finding them, but nothing is verifiable. 579 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: But here's something I want to point out is that 580 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: there may have actually been a set of stairs there 581 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: that would have led to a basement. Because if this 582 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: church was built in the eighteen sixties, think about it, 583 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: It's Kansas. You need to store food down well, but 584 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: also with tornado, So if everybody's at church and a 585 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: tornado comes along, you hustle them into the basement and 586 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: you hide there. Yeah. So there's a very valid reason 587 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: why there might have been a set of stairs as 588 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: the church, but there's there's nothing to say that it 589 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: wasn't there. But nobody ever finds them. So that's one 590 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: thing that I want to point out about the stairs themselves. 591 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: I also guess you could say, like some crypts have 592 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: like a couple of stairs down, and you know, if 593 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: if like the crypt or like the building structure above 594 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: it had for whatever reason been demolished, there would be 595 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: like some random like a couple of stairs down. I 596 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 1: could see how that could have like ballooned out into 597 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: something like this. You know. There it's so hard to 598 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: tell in a cemetery with a church in Kansas where yeah, yeah, no, 599 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: I mean there could have been, Um, what is it? 600 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: It's it's when what do they call the big buildings 601 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: that it's not a cpped, but what is the building 602 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: that's around mausoleums? I mean mausoleums have been put on 603 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: the ground. It could have been that. That's what it was. 604 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: That's why there was the Last problem that I have 605 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: with this whole story is the pope. It's always the Pope. 606 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: Remember that whole story about him diverting his plane. I'm 607 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: sure didn't actually happen. There's nothing that shows any record 608 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: of his plane ever diverting off of its flight plan. Yeah. 609 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: Well supposedly that that story, if I remember right, appeared 610 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: like in Time magazine somewhere around. But we've never been 611 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: able to weird. Yeah, I suppose that's what people are claiming. 612 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: But I like it's also pulp Benedict not the most 613 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: superstitious of the popes. Pulp Benict you mean John Paul. No, 614 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: wasn't it Pulpe Benedict at that point superstitious of the anyway? 615 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: I mean, the pope is not going to be afraid 616 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: of Satan. And you know, um, this story is like 617 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: so many Internet stories, they start out as a as 618 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: a clean ship. Let's just come out of the shipyard, 619 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: and they sail off through the waters of the Internet 620 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: and they become encrusted with many many barnacles Internet. Yeah. Yeah, 621 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: and that's what happens that many of these stories Internet barnacles. 622 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: Internet barnacles for the day. Yeah. So yeah, the pup's 623 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: story is you get another barnacle on this story it is. Yeah. 624 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: Well let's uh, let's get into the theories finally. Yeah, okay, 625 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: well theory number one. It could be real, well, it 626 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: could be don't give me that look, you know, I mean, 627 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: Satan might actually exist. I don't know how when it 628 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: comes down to Earth, and yeah, let let me go 629 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: through this is that you know, there there are a 630 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: lot of stories around about gateways to Hell and their locations. Now, 631 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: strangely enough, none of them, the major ones that you 632 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: find out there that are gateways to Hell, none of 633 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: them are in Kansas. But uh, that's that's okay. There 634 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: are lots of things though, that are referencing gateways to 635 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: Hell in major populated areas. Isn't there supposedly one like 636 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: right close here, like that in Clackamus or something? Yet 637 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: I don't I didn't see that one, But there's so 638 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: many geographs central major cities have them associated with them, 639 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 1: and then major historic cities always have them associated with them. 640 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: So there's these stories all over of the gateways to Hell. Yeah. 641 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if if you're saying then you're gonna have 642 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: a gateway to Hell, I mean, you want to put 643 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: it in a major city because you're a lot closer 644 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: to the shops and services and stuff like that. You 645 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,879 Speaker 1: don't want to have in the middle of nowhere. Maybe, 646 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: or maybe it's in the major areas because of the 647 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: atrocities that happened there. I don't know, who knows. Yeah, 648 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: but let's let's put that part aside. That fact aside 649 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: is that if we think about this from a theological standpoint, 650 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: I don't know it's theological the right word to use, 651 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:10,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but philosophical that's probably the better word. Philosophical. 652 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 1: It's possible if Satan's real and I'm not saying Satan 653 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: is or is not real, But then what criteria would 654 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,439 Speaker 1: he or shear it? Because again I don't I don't 655 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: know um used to determine where to come out into 656 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: the world at I mean, it's this place is off 657 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: the beaten path. I completely understand that. But you know, 658 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I've read all this stuff about these strange 659 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: occult sites that are where Satan may come from. And 660 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: if you think about it, Okay, let's just say that 661 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: there is some random point where all of this occult 662 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: stuff is happening. Think about it. This is the best 663 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: analogy I can come up with. Think about it from 664 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: the standpoint of almost like radiation. So there's all this 665 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: occult stuff going on, and it builds up like radiation 666 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: at that location, so then it becomes a hot zone. 667 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: So then that could theoretically be a place that would 668 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 1: pop up on Satan's radar to be a good place 669 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: to come because there's all of the it's just it's 670 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: just embroiled with it, and it's just such a hotbed 671 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: that that might be a spot that's an easy access point. 672 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: So he he senses Satan's senses that there's a lot 673 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: of like bone heads who would be easy, easy pickings 674 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: and good recruits, and so he senses that, so he 675 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: just makes himself a little gate way to Hell. And no, no, 676 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: what I mean is let's say that let's say and 677 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: and this I'm making this up just to try to 678 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 1: help foster this explanation. Let's say that there is Satanic 679 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: worship and so there are there's offerings, you know, there's sacrifices, 680 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: there's atrocities committed at this area, and so it's it's 681 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: seeped and all of this really bad stuff that would 682 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 1: become something that would come up on a Satanic radar, 683 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: for for another way to look at it. So it's 684 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,399 Speaker 1: a pig. It's a pig. But I guess like if 685 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: we're going to make that argument, then like there are 686 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: literally millions better places in this world. Then still yeah, 687 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: and also there's no evidence whatsoever that there were there 688 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: was ever any sort of Satanic dark arts, witchcraft, witchcraft 689 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: or anything else practicing stall well. But but okay, but 690 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: I want to go back to what Devin said briefly, 691 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: which is the stories always say that there are X 692 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: number of gateways to hell, But do we know that's true? 693 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: Why couldn't there just be gateways plural? And there's no 694 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: number two? Why can't why can't the whole world be 695 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: a gateway? I think the entire world is kind of 696 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: a gateway to help. I mean, like that's it's just 697 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: like that when you you kind of go down that 698 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: rabbit hole is a term that we use on this 699 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: ship a lot, going down that rabbit hole and like 700 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: to say, like, well, like this is one of the 701 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: like smallest places in America, right, it's really small, very 702 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: and I think that like probably the percentage of bad 703 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: things that have actually happened in this town to the 704 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: population versus like the number of years it has existed 705 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: fairly low. So if we're saying that like this level 706 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: of percent of corruption over the X number of years 707 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: equal corruption Satan's gate, then like, like seriously, just like 708 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: then there's a gate everywhere and like we're just screwed. 709 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: So for me, it's like this, it's you know, I 710 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: talked about Acam's razors sometimes, but it is right. It's 711 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 1: like either the entire or world is a gateway to Hell, which, 712 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: like Joe is going to argue, and that's fair. But 713 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: so either we're gonna say the entire everywhere that human 714 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: beings exist is a gateway to Hell, or we're going 715 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: to say that is not a valid theory. Yeah, you know, 716 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: well I'm willing to run with that. And here's that. 717 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: Here's the deal is Satan. Satan started out life as 718 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: what an angel he did, Yes, and uh and so 719 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: be favorite angel. Yeah, exactly. And you never hear about 720 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,879 Speaker 1: angels needing like an escalator down from Heaven to get 721 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: to the Earth, right, I mean, Satan, if he does exist, 722 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: I don't think he needs a stairway or portal or 723 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: anything else to visit the surface of the planet. I 724 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: think you can get here, you know, whenever, wherever he chooses. 725 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: I don't my my religious studies are very weak, but 726 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,720 Speaker 1: I do remember having seen some things that I've read 727 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: that when Satan was cast out and then sent to 728 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: what would be his kingdom, which was Hell, he couldn't 729 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 1: just come to Earth. He had emissaries that could come there. 730 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: So then that would foster that idea of it had 731 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: to be something special to allow him his visa for 732 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, a term that we use for access to 733 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,720 Speaker 1: get into the area for a limited duration of time. 734 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,839 Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want to go too far 735 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: down this. I don't want to beat this too much 736 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: because this, again, this is so open to interpretation. There's 737 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 1: so many ways that it can be viewed. But that 738 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: is just you know, if if that's just this one 739 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,919 Speaker 1: theory that I've seen let's let's move to the next one. 740 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,919 Speaker 1: Let's which again is on the vein of its real 741 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 1: But this vein says that the townspeople know it and 742 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: they're covering it. Okay, And I just like I'm going 743 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: to go ahead and like say, right now, if this 744 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: theory is valid, that that means that the townspeople are 745 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 1: all demons, Satanists worshipers watch Supernatural. No I don't, but 746 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,879 Speaker 1: I mean it's just like that that's just follows, right, 747 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 1: is that like, if the townspeople are covering up Satan's 748 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: literal stairway out of Hell, they are horrible human beings. 749 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we need to go there and 750 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: and check it out. See if they have red glowing eyes, 751 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 1: and if they talk like this, you know, that's that 752 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: would be kind of a clue or they live in 753 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 1: fear of it. And and let me let me run 754 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,240 Speaker 1: through some of the stuff that's been put out based 755 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: on this, this kind of this this bend it's and 756 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: I think we've already covered why they hate this story 757 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: for all the thrill seekers, because as we said, there's 758 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: the vandalism and and the damage, and no wonder they're 759 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 1: peeved about everybody coming there. But in the reports that 760 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: come out, in the quotes from townspeople, um, they do 761 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: some things that don't always help their case. You know, 762 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,319 Speaker 1: they say they don't know where the story comes from. 763 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: They say it's made up, and it's not completely it's 764 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: not believable, which again makes sense. But here's the thing 765 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,280 Speaker 1: that they've done that can raise some suspicions. This happened 766 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:32,439 Speaker 1: in on Halloween. Reporters from a local newspaper and there 767 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: was an also reporters and a crew from a television 768 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,919 Speaker 1: station went to the graveyard and they joined a bunch 769 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: of onlookers who were hanging out waiting the church. No, 770 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,759 Speaker 1: they were outside of the grounds. It couldn't get into 771 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: the grounds because it's gated off now, and the sheriff 772 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: deputies were there, as evidently they are every year. But 773 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 1: they didn't ask anybody to leave the premises or the 774 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: area outside of the cemetery until eleven thirty at night. 775 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 1: And they, according to the story, they did this because 776 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,440 Speaker 1: a representative of the cemetery owners showed up and ordered 777 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 1: that everyone was to leave. Now, if you want to 778 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: put the whole thing to bed, and you want to say, listen, 779 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: this is made up, stop coming here and stop doing this. 780 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: Then let the media in. Just just let the news 781 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: guys in and say, hey, guys will escort you with 782 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: the police. You can hang out at this spot, stay 783 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: here till twelve thirty and lo and behold, nothing happened. Nothing. Instead, 784 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: they shoot a way as if they were sweeping it 785 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: under the rug and hiding it all. Yeah, I mean, 786 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: that would be a good strategy to put it all 787 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,359 Speaker 1: to bed. It's just to just to have the cruise there. 788 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 1: Though that you know, some true believers would probably say 789 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: something on the order of like, well, gee, you know, 790 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: Satan didn't show up because he's camera shy and there's 791 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: all these I mean, but at the same time, this 792 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: doesn't mean there's any sort of conspiracy of what because 793 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: there's hundreds of people there probably making a good old racket. 794 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,879 Speaker 1: The owner, you know, you don't know where the owner list, 795 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 1: but he probably lives, like you know, right next door, 796 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,759 Speaker 1: right across the street, and he wanted to go to 797 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: bed and so he just basically sent somebody over there. 798 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: Or there's a third theory, which is that the representative 799 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: of the owner it wasn't the owner of itself, was 800 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 1: actually Satan No, I mean I think that like to 801 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: build on Joe's are more rational theories. Yeah, I mean, 802 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,719 Speaker 1: it's not like you, as a property owner, walk up 803 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: to the police and say, I want everyone but the 804 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,919 Speaker 1: media to go home. I want to put this to bed. 805 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: Let's let the media in. You escort them, and they'll 806 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: prove that there's nothing going on here. No, you say, 807 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of people here, they're going to ruin 808 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: my property, send them home, and then they go home. 809 00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,959 Speaker 1: You know, you know, you don't say, like, oh, there's 810 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,719 Speaker 1: one film crew there that might be reputable. That's one 811 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: person with a video camera out of like who knows, 812 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,920 Speaker 1: it could have been thousands of people with videos. But 813 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 1: you've seen we've all been to places where you see 814 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,759 Speaker 1: the TV news van and it's a it's emblazoned on 815 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 1: the side with the name of the station, and it's 816 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,120 Speaker 1: got the little radio dish, And yeah, it was a 817 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 1: TV crew. They had their gear, They showed up with 818 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 1: cameras in the whole nine yards. It was reporters who 819 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,680 Speaker 1: were tagging along with him. But it's the newspaper reporters. 820 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,799 Speaker 1: But they've I've got to presume that if the guy 821 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,479 Speaker 1: showed up as a TV reporter. He's got the news 822 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,919 Speaker 1: van and he's got all the news crowd with him 823 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,719 Speaker 1: because he's gonna try and report it and send it 824 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,399 Speaker 1: over to the station to make the splash of look 825 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: what's going on installed tonight. So that to me, it's like, 826 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 1: well it stands out like a sore thumb. So from 827 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of Yahoo's in their pickup trucks drinking beer 828 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,280 Speaker 1: to a bunch of guys with cameras and somebody standing 829 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: there with a microphone in front of the spotlight talking 830 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 1: that person. Is is it like on YouTube or anything? 831 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean, so like it's hard to know. Like that, 832 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,360 Speaker 1: it was kind of that trend of like undercover reporting, 833 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: Like was it undercover reporting like or or they trying 834 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 1: to emblazon? Were they like trying to sneak in? Was it? What? 835 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,239 Speaker 1: Did I mean? It's just it's for me, it's hard 836 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: to tell. And you know, I agree with you, there's 837 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,240 Speaker 1: no reason to send them away. But also like truly, 838 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,520 Speaker 1: if you know somebody who owns the property lives like 839 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: right there and they're like I'm trying to go to sleep, 840 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,919 Speaker 1: they say, hey, cops on the phone, tell everybody go home. 841 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,360 Speaker 1: They don't know who's there. They just say it's loud 842 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: out there. See. I got the impression the way I 843 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,719 Speaker 1: read it that the person showed up, that representative of 844 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: the people showed up, and then there's a problem with 845 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,239 Speaker 1: the representative may not have cared who was there. Secretary. 846 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 1: She's like, it's midnight crap, Like I got called out 847 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: of bed by these rich people to go tell everybody 848 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,680 Speaker 1: go home. I'm gonna tell her to go home. It's 849 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,960 Speaker 1: you're that's a very good point. But let's but but 850 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: remember something else too, is that and that they can 851 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: boot them off the property because it's private property. But 852 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,160 Speaker 1: right next to it is a road, which is public property. 853 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,440 Speaker 1: And so if people really wanted to stay there and 854 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,880 Speaker 1: watch what the goings on and see if Satan appears, 855 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,640 Speaker 1: you can still do it. Yeah, well, did you you 856 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,319 Speaker 1: went on Google Did you go to the cemetery on 857 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: Google Maps and look at the street view this The 858 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,840 Speaker 1: building itself is offset from the road. It's not like 859 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: it's right. Yeah, now that's fallen down. It's kind of 860 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 1: out of sight. Yeah, you can. You can kind of 861 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 1: see it from some of the satellite photos. It's footprint, 862 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,640 Speaker 1: but it's not right there, it's a ways away. So 863 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 1: I mean, let's just I'm just gonna make up number. 864 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,440 Speaker 1: Let's say it was eighty yards away. That's a that's 865 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,399 Speaker 1: a fair bit of way to be able to see 866 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 1: anything at night with a video game. Yeah, but if 867 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 1: Satan is like appearing on Earth, he's probably like, there's 868 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: a light show and he probably it's a disco tech. 869 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,279 Speaker 1: Now well no, I'm just saying like there's some fire 870 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 1: and brimstone happening. Well so, but the thing about it 871 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 1: is is Satan is there depending on why he's there. 872 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,640 Speaker 1: If he's there to visit his deformed child that's buried there, 873 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: then he's gonna walk him on the tombstone. So you 874 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,800 Speaker 1: take a take a little night vision gear, you know 875 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,120 Speaker 1: when they with a little magnifying capability, and you know, Satan, 876 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,399 Speaker 1: if he's there, was just sending Joe on location. Yeah 877 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,799 Speaker 1: we really are. Alright, Well let's let's let's keep going here. Okay, 878 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 1: all right, So the next theory is you're not gonna 879 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:33,720 Speaker 1: believe this, it's a total hoax. Yeah, Well, the origin 880 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 1: of this story and tell us Joe's you know, gone 881 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,879 Speaker 1: a little ahead of us, which is the big red 882 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 1: flag is when the story showed up back in the 883 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties. Supposedly there was a professor at the University 884 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 1: of Kansas who made the story up about the Gateway 885 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 1: to Hell being located installed. He made this urban legend 886 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: ofb Now, and evidently he told it to his students 887 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,759 Speaker 1: continually until it caught fire. But I don't know why 888 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:12,719 Speaker 1: someone would intentionally make a story like that up unless 889 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,280 Speaker 1: he really had it in for someone in that town, 890 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,280 Speaker 1: or just the town itself, like you must have hated 891 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 1: some he saw the town named Stall and thought, Hey, 892 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,000 Speaker 1: that's kind of like Skull. I'm going to make up 893 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 1: a creepy ghost story about it. Alternately, I mean, he 894 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: would just picked a small place that he didn't think 895 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,239 Speaker 1: any of his students would be from, which, well, the 896 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,720 Speaker 1: University of Kansas, that's not I mean, I can't imagine 897 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: it's too far away. I didn't. I actually don't know 898 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,000 Speaker 1: how far away it is from Stall now that I 899 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,000 Speaker 1: think about it, or that it would be a place 900 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,840 Speaker 1: that enough people kind of knew about that it was real, 901 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,800 Speaker 1: a real place, but not like a lot of people 902 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:57,640 Speaker 1: knew people from there. I mean, I don't know. Actually, 903 00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,719 Speaker 1: it would be interesting. I mean, if this happened in 904 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,080 Speaker 1: the would be interesting look at the population tables and 905 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 1: see what the tiniest town in Kansas is, and it 906 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,839 Speaker 1: might very well be stolen. And and you know, going 907 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,440 Speaker 1: going with her theory that he just picked the very 908 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,080 Speaker 1: smallest town in Kansas he could find as the center 909 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,440 Speaker 1: and every Halloween just story because she was she she 910 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: wanted to like because distically speaking, it's less likely he's 911 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 1: going to have a student from this town because it's 912 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,120 Speaker 1: the tiniest town in Kansas and it's a what like 913 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,359 Speaker 1: maybe it's a farm community, so like they don't send 914 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,839 Speaker 1: a whole lot of people to college, you know, I mean, 915 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 1: I think it's that's a fair thing to say. Well, 916 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,799 Speaker 1: regardless regardless of what could have been the reason that 917 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,600 Speaker 1: it happened from this professor. The story is supposedly was 918 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:52,239 Speaker 1: repeated every year to his students, and nothing really happened 919 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:58,399 Speaker 1: until either nineteen seventy two or nineteen seventy four, I'm 920 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 1: not sure which year. I tried to to get into 921 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,760 Speaker 1: the archives to figure it out, but I couldn't get 922 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,799 Speaker 1: the old archives from the university to come up. But 923 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:15,960 Speaker 1: the university newspaper reported this story, and I kept digging 924 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,760 Speaker 1: and trying to and evidently they're back there. Back issues 925 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 1: are just not there. I couldn't get. Maybe if I 926 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,960 Speaker 1: had pretended to have a student and try to log in, 927 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 1: I might have found a way, but I couldn't get. 928 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,560 Speaker 1: But evidently the university newspaper reported it, and from that 929 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:35,200 Speaker 1: point it started gaining traction, and the first report of 930 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:40,680 Speaker 1: people showing up in mass is v eight win. Supposedly, 931 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,719 Speaker 1: it's reported that a hundred and fifty people we got 932 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,719 Speaker 1: I guess they were all college students showed up to 933 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 1: see what would happen from there. It's grown to what 934 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 1: we have now of five people every Halloween showing up 935 00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,520 Speaker 1: and and trying to get in there, and now we 936 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 1: have the fence and police patrols and all of that. 937 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 1: I mean, should we talk about doing this? Sometimes? I'm like, 938 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,719 Speaker 1: every once in a while, like I don't know, like 939 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,880 Speaker 1: we talked about well maybe like there's always an like 940 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 1: outlying detail in a story that one of us will 941 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,920 Speaker 1: bring up and we're like, man, that sounds like something 942 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 1: somebody was just like it would be funny if we 943 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,839 Speaker 1: could see if that could be pretty in article. Yeah, 944 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,920 Speaker 1: and yeah, we have talked about it'd be fun to 945 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 1: set up an alternative, an alternate website and and start 946 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: posting this stuff and just tacking stuff on people. Do 947 00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:37,680 Speaker 1: not outrageous to think that, like a philosophy or psychology professor, 948 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, would use this for meeching moment or as 949 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,399 Speaker 1: an experiment or whatever. You know. I think that makes 950 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,279 Speaker 1: a lot of time. Yeah, it could It could be. 951 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,240 Speaker 1: It could be he wanted to start an urban legend 952 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,840 Speaker 1: and that and so it would be a great you know, 953 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,520 Speaker 1: and maybe he did it for that reason. Maybe he 954 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,000 Speaker 1: started this little urban legend and then he would say 955 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,000 Speaker 1: to the student class of a couple of years down 956 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,719 Speaker 1: the line or something like that, he says, Okay, okay, 957 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,840 Speaker 1: have you guys heard this story about the Gateway to 958 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,480 Speaker 1: Hell and all that? How many of you? How many 959 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,600 Speaker 1: of you heard this? Raise your hands, you know, and 960 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,680 Speaker 1: all this stuff. Okay, you tell me about this story. 961 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,920 Speaker 1: What have you heard? And they tell me that, and 962 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,080 Speaker 1: so what do you think? You know? Well, let me 963 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: tell you something. I made it all up me myself, dude, 964 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, as just as a sort of psychological experiment. 965 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,880 Speaker 1: But I would I would think that if that were 966 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,320 Speaker 1: the case, if that exact scenario were the case, then 967 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,000 Speaker 1: there would be recounts of people saying, oh, yeah, I 968 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,320 Speaker 1: was in that guy's class and he admitted to making 969 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 1: it up. But there's nothing that I could find. And again, 970 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,120 Speaker 1: this is this is one of those stories, and I 971 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:51,320 Speaker 1: fully admit this everybody, one of those stories that is really, really, 972 00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,400 Speaker 1: really hard to find a lot of concrete information on. 973 00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:00,440 Speaker 1: But I did not see anything that said that he 974 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,320 Speaker 1: admitted to making up. As it is, I couldn't even 975 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,760 Speaker 1: find the name of the professor who supposedly made it up. 976 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,360 Speaker 1: So to me, the professor making it up, it's just 977 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,360 Speaker 1: as likely as the other theories, because I don't have 978 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:22,720 Speaker 1: any brain of fact to this group right here, is 979 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,520 Speaker 1: that you have just said, like to our entire listenership, 980 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,640 Speaker 1: a professor making a story up to mess with the 981 00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,720 Speaker 1: students is just as likely as Satan being real and 982 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,920 Speaker 1: coming they're They're both equally reasonable based on what I 983 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,840 Speaker 1: have to go on. Yeah, I think I know the 984 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:46,240 Speaker 1: name of the professor. His name was Professor Satan. I 985 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 1: thought he was one of the magazine ruses. Yeah, we 986 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,320 Speaker 1: had this, I remember that. I'm back in the fifties. 987 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 1: We had this professor who told a story we had 988 00:58:54,080 --> 00:59:00,840 Speaker 1: this really strange way of talking, was like more non standing, 989 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 1: but only the goth kids passed the class. I like that, 990 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,920 Speaker 1: you're not going to mention the faces that you'll make it. 991 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,400 Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't look at him when he makes 992 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 1: those faces. Actually put my papers in front of me. 993 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,960 Speaker 1: Really really are you know? I mean as as as 994 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,080 Speaker 1: kind of a kind of a final thought on this 995 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,200 Speaker 1: story and before I opened it up to the pair 996 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:33,240 Speaker 1: of you, my, my, my final thoughts are I personally, 997 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,960 Speaker 1: I don't hold a lot of stock in the occult 998 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,880 Speaker 1: and those kind of stories. I mean, I admit fully 999 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,880 Speaker 1: there are things that I have heard and seen that 1000 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,560 Speaker 1: I can't account for in any logical manner. In other words, 1001 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,880 Speaker 1: I can't I don't have an explanation for whether I've 1002 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,560 Speaker 1: seen it myself, or I've heard about or seen it 1003 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 1: on recordings, whatever the case. Maybe, But you know, that 1004 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 1: doesn't say that it is or isn't true. So I don't. 1005 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,160 Speaker 1: I don't know that this story is real, but I 1006 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 1: can't say that some part of it isn't real. And 1007 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,920 Speaker 1: that's I think that's why I wanted to to kind 1008 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,360 Speaker 1: of have this as our kickoff for Halloween, because there's 1009 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,520 Speaker 1: a lot of crap here, but there's also a lot 1010 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: of potentials that could have happened. So that's the really 1011 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,520 Speaker 1: difficult part. And I know that something we try to 1012 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,360 Speaker 1: tackle is is peeling those layers apart to find the 1013 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,240 Speaker 1: real thing from from the not so real things. That's real. 1014 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,720 Speaker 1: That was a great experience, Steve. But you know that 1015 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,320 Speaker 1: that that's where I stand in this. So I I 1016 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,720 Speaker 1: don't know that I buy this, but you know this 1017 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,600 Speaker 1: is this is completely outside of the things that I 1018 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,960 Speaker 1: would normally jump into. Yeah, I'm I'm on, I'm on, 1019 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, unstable footing. Yeah, well I am I think 1020 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:03,000 Speaker 1: that number one. As I talked about this a little earlier. 1021 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,680 Speaker 1: But Hell is like heaven. It's not a place that 1022 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,720 Speaker 1: you reach physically, you know, it's a place. It's a 1023 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,520 Speaker 1: place where you it's like in another dimension on and 1024 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,720 Speaker 1: so so it's a level of transcendences. Yeah, And so 1025 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,720 Speaker 1: I mean there is there is a gateway to Hell, 1026 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,720 Speaker 1: which is the entire planet, which is like you know, 1027 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you can be you can you can do 1028 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,440 Speaker 1: things that will well. The entire planet conversely, is a 1029 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,040 Speaker 1: gateway to Heaven exactly. But you can do things anywhere 1030 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,280 Speaker 1: on the planet that will earn you entrance to Hell, 1031 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,560 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and that's that's your gateway right there. 1032 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,480 Speaker 1: But when you go to Hell, you don't. Your your 1033 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,439 Speaker 1: soul goes there, not your body, So you don't need 1034 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,160 Speaker 1: a stairway or a gateway or anything else to get 1035 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,280 Speaker 1: to Hell. I think the gateway is a physical manifestation 1036 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,880 Speaker 1: for us to be able to recognize it. Yeah, but 1037 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,000 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think there's any such thing. Yeah, 1038 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,320 Speaker 1: it was. It's a fun story. You there's there's all 1039 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,560 Speaker 1: kinds of people out there saying stories about oh, you know, 1040 01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:59,840 Speaker 1: you get down there, that's things pulling you down and 1041 01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,080 Speaker 1: you you go, can't there. You hear moans and horrible 1042 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,960 Speaker 1: noises and scary stuff, and your flashlights will stop working. 1043 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,560 Speaker 1: You always got you gotta break like seventeen times the 1044 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:13,240 Speaker 1: amount of batteries you need to Yeah, that's in the accounts, yeah, exactly. 1045 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 1: Which it doesn't really make any sense because if you're 1046 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,320 Speaker 1: if your flashlight's gonna crap out because Satan has messed 1047 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,040 Speaker 1: with your the batteries and your flashlight, well guess what 1048 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,960 Speaker 1: your backup batteries have been messed with equally, so bringing 1049 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,320 Speaker 1: backup batteries isn't going to do you any good? Can 1050 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,880 Speaker 1: I can? I can? I go down the poulter geist 1051 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,600 Speaker 1: rabbit hole here briefly with you on that, and I 1052 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 1: can't believe I'm about to do this. I can't either. Yeah, 1053 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,600 Speaker 1: I know this is really weird because I'm the total 1054 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,960 Speaker 1: skeptic on this stuff. But the things that I've seen 1055 01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:49,680 Speaker 1: is that let's let's equate any kind of presence a 1056 01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,120 Speaker 1: metaphysical presence, whether it be satan or a polter geist 1057 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,160 Speaker 1: or a ghost or whatever. We they you know, people 1058 01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:02,080 Speaker 1: equate them to an electrical disturbance. Can So if I 1059 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,840 Speaker 1: have two batteries making connection inside of a flashlight, that 1060 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,880 Speaker 1: is making a circuit, which is an electrical circuit. So 1061 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 1: when this electrical disturbance comes through, it screws up that 1062 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,760 Speaker 1: connection and it drains that connection. But those batteries themselves, 1063 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,840 Speaker 1: the ones that you haven't put in your flashlight, that 1064 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,520 Speaker 1: are just sitting in your bag, they're an unconnected circuit, 1065 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:30,200 Speaker 1: so therefore they cannot be drained by that field. So 1066 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,280 Speaker 1: they're still gonna work, right, And I feel like I 1067 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,040 Speaker 1: just need to point out the fact that, like you 1068 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,880 Speaker 1: went there and I was like, yeah, but it's more 1069 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,600 Speaker 1: fun to mess with people if they like put their 1070 01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:41,840 Speaker 1: batteries in and then you like short it out again. Yeah. Yeah, 1071 01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, like it's way more fun if they have 1072 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,800 Speaker 1: to do that seventeen times than like shorting everything out 1073 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:53,760 Speaker 1: at one. You physics meet fun, I guess, yeah, but yeah, 1074 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,400 Speaker 1: it depends. I mean, I suppose if if this uh, 1075 01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 1: this presence can can suck energy auto based basically from 1076 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,640 Speaker 1: a completed circuit. It wants electrical energy for whatever reason, 1077 01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,920 Speaker 1: it wants manifestation or it generates it, and it's sort 1078 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,920 Speaker 1: of like e MP, it overloads it, which would pop 1079 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,840 Speaker 1: the bulb. That would kill that would that would that 1080 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,640 Speaker 1: would fry the bulb in the flashlight. Yeah, I would 1081 01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,720 Speaker 1: fry the Yeah, you can't really fry a flashlight because 1082 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,680 Speaker 1: it's so simple. Yeah, but it's like yeah, so it's 1083 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,200 Speaker 1: hardly yeah, drain it or whatever. Yeah, who the hell knows. 1084 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:32,560 Speaker 1: I think it's possibly somebody made that up. I don't know. 1085 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm kind of with you, like I hate 1086 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,640 Speaker 1: to admit the fact that, like it's just as possible 1087 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,880 Speaker 1: that a college professor made this up as it is 1088 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,240 Speaker 1: that SATAN really is like using a physical stairway to 1089 01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:49,200 Speaker 1: literally walk upstairs in a physical being clop clop clop 1090 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,160 Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, regardless of what I believe about 1091 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,000 Speaker 1: like heaven or Hell and what those things might be. 1092 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,000 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's fairly widely accepted that it's 1093 01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,000 Speaker 1: not a place that you physically go in your physical 1094 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,280 Speaker 1: whole body. You know, it's a place that your spirit goes. Therefore, 1095 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,480 Speaker 1: the people or things that rule those spaces would also 1096 01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,960 Speaker 1: not be like physical beings that like have physical bodies 1097 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,400 Speaker 1: that they have to use a stairway to get someplace. 1098 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,480 Speaker 1: But I also, I guess doesn't explain there's a lot 1099 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,720 Speaker 1: of big question marks that aren't really well explained by 1100 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,919 Speaker 1: you know, saying like, well, but it's not real. Yeah, 1101 01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,000 Speaker 1: so this is one of those weird crazy doozies where 1102 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,240 Speaker 1: I don't have a good answer for you. I'm sorry. Yeah, 1103 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,040 Speaker 1: I think I think we're all kind of on defense 1104 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,040 Speaker 1: on this. Yeah. It's like I don't know if say 1105 01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,600 Speaker 1: it exists or not. And you know, I'm open to 1106 01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,800 Speaker 1: the possibility of the existence of say, demons and things 1107 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,040 Speaker 1: like that. I mean, they may they may actually exist. Seriously, 1108 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean, but don't the stairway now not buying it. Okay, 1109 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,600 Speaker 1: well there there'll be the end of that, all right, 1110 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,320 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, Well, as always, this is the best 1111 01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,680 Speaker 1: and your favorite part of the show. Where were you? 1112 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:02,200 Speaker 1: We give you all of our as josephs burtnant information 1113 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,360 Speaker 1: again or he just had a piece of ice cream 1114 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,160 Speaker 1: in his mouth and couldn't do his teeth were freezing, 1115 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:17,040 Speaker 1: regardless the show. This one and all past shows are 1116 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,600 Speaker 1: available on the website. The website is Thinking Sideways podcast 1117 01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,480 Speaker 1: dot com. The links that some of the links for 1118 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:27,400 Speaker 1: the research will be on there. You can then are 1119 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,960 Speaker 1: probably consistently downloading us through iTunes. If you're on iTunes, 1120 01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,120 Speaker 1: go ahead and take the time to subscribe, and if 1121 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,640 Speaker 1: you could leave a comment rating we always like that. 1122 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,200 Speaker 1: We're on Stitcher, so if it's a Thursday and you 1123 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,400 Speaker 1: realize you haven't downloaded it and you're jones in to 1124 01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,240 Speaker 1: hear us, you can go ahead and just stream us 1125 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,440 Speaker 1: on any mobile ready device. We are on Facebook, so 1126 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,520 Speaker 1: the group and the page are both. They're like us 1127 01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,120 Speaker 1: friend us. We've had actually had a couple of really 1128 01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,720 Speaker 1: good discussions going lately, which is always fun to get 1129 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,960 Speaker 1: all of our listeners involved. Did and of course, you 1130 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:06,800 Speaker 1: can email us at Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com. 1131 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,200 Speaker 1: You've got a thought on this, you disagree on a point, 1132 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,640 Speaker 1: or you've got something to add to it. We love 1133 01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,280 Speaker 1: to get that and we have some great conversations over 1134 01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,960 Speaker 1: the email, so feel free to send us one over 1135 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:25,640 Speaker 1: the emails. Sorry, I just can't deal with that. All right. 1136 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,640 Speaker 1: That having been said, ladies in Germs, we're gonna go 1137 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,600 Speaker 1: ahead and wrap this one up, so until next week 1138 01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,200 Speaker 1: when we have another spooky story, we will talk to 1139 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:40,600 Speaker 1: you then go oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. That's 1140 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:41,000 Speaker 1: weird