1 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: And welcome in La Kick on the air. 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 2: It is Thursday night, May twenty seventh, The Oh Our Lord, 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one year. 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: The Voice, It's coming, it's going. Here's the situation. 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: We've had no rain in Nashville for a little while now, 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 2: and therefore I've sneezed to such a degree that i 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 2: have about thirty five percent of a voice. I'm going 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: to give you or at least trike to one hundred 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: percent of a show tonight because we are no less 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 2: jam packed than we always would be. 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: We got to talk about tampering. 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, the tea word, remember that first made popular on 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: Oh I don't know this show last year. Not to brag, 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: but we're going to kind of have to a little 15 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: bit tonight. And also talk about how the transfer portal 16 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: has another unintended consequence and yeah, it's really deep and 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: it's really far spreading. Alex Scarborough over at ESPN did 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: a really good job, So we're going to talk about that. Also, 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: more questions for several of the Power five conferences. We're 20 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 2: not even close to done with that. We've got more 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: impact freshmen, We're not even close to done with that yet. 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: And also speaking of the transfer portal. How about Auburn 23 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: TJ Finley, former LSU starting quarterback. In fact, you saw 24 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: him start on the road at Auburn last year. Well, 25 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: now he is an Auburn Tiger. And this is one 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: of those quarterback situations that I want you to pay 27 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: attention to because you may think to yourself, Okay, so 28 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: he's going to talk about Auburn, so that doesn't impact me. 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: Oh, you never know. 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 2: I would just I would just stick around and listen 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: to that segment because number one, it's going to apply 32 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: to a lot of programs if it hasn't already in 33 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: the future. 34 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: And this is going to be one of those ripple. 35 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: Effect deals because chances are not all the quarterbacks on 36 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: that roster will be there this time next year, which 37 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: could immediately impact your program. Remember, and I always put 38 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: this at the front end, and then don't say it 39 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 2: again the rest of the show. The Instagram and Twitter 40 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: accounts are growing at a very good pace, and I 41 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: thank you for that. At Late Kick, Josh is where 42 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: you want to be Instagram, Twitter, same handle. But also 43 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: and this is where the great big all Caps thank 44 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: you comes in. I could have director Emeritas cop and 45 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: just build a separate graphic, just a little thank you, 46 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: maybe a little party hat on top of it. When 47 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: you guys are sharing our stuff and you're screenshot and 48 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: that you're putting in that Instagram story or on Twitter, 49 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: I share and retweet a lot of them, but I 50 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: can't even get to all of them. It's just a 51 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: small fraction of what you guys are doing for us now. 52 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 2: So I can't give you specifics cause I think it's 53 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: against my contract to just give you inner workings of 54 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: the company. It matters, and it's helping us, it's helping 55 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: the show's helping me, it's helping you, it's helping the show. 56 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: So thank you so much for that. With that in mind, 57 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: let's dive into tonight's show Tampering. You say, tampering, What 58 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: does that word have to do with college football? 59 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: Well? Everything? 60 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: Well, well, well are the three words that I thought 61 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: when I read this really good informative deep diving feature 62 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 2: from Alex Scarborough on ESPN dot com a couple of 63 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: days ago, and I've taken a couple of days to 64 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: marinate on this. There are a lot of changes always 65 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: happening in life and in college football. Some changes are 66 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: like if you were to take a stone and you 67 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: toss it in a late Yeah, there's a ripple effect. 68 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: You could tell something just went in the water. But 69 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: by and large it's not a big deal. Then other 70 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: changes are like when an asteroid hits the ocean and 71 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: it affects everything, affects the entire planet. I've seen arm again, 72 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: I've seen deep impact same year. By the way, crazy 73 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: how that works. So what is this, Well, the transfer 74 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: a portal's the asteroid. And what happened was when the 75 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: transfer a portal really became a thing. Transfers were always 76 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: a thing, but when the portal really became a thing, 77 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: you thought to yourself, or maybe you thought to yourself, 78 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to put words in your mouth, Oh good, 79 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: kids can transfer Hey, I got no problem with that. 80 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: Most of the coaches mentioned or directly quoted in the 81 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: story I'm about to talk about, they have no problem 82 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: with that. Most of them just openly say it's not 83 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: the transferring I have a problem with. But as we said, 84 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: and there's another couple of points I want to point 85 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: out that we said last year when this started to happen, 86 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: There're gonna be some unintended consequences. 87 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: We're just gonna have to deal with it. 88 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 2: You can't take all this good and not get any 89 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: of the bad that comes in the door with it. 90 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 2: So two years, well, really last year, I guess time 91 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: runs together now. Last year, around this time actually, when 92 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: we were talking about the transfer portal, I did a 93 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: segment and I told you a couple of things, among others, 94 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: were coming as a result of the transfer portal. One 95 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: was you were used to hearing about high school scouting 96 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: departments in a college football program. 97 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: That's just recruiting. 98 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: They've always had that, But I told you that more 99 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: and more we were hearing from coaching staffs and people 100 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: on the road in the recruiting world, colleges college football 101 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: programs are developing their own separate college scouting department inside 102 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: the infrastructure of their program. What does that mean to 103 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 2: put a finer point on it, admitt Even last year 104 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: and before that, to be honest with you, college staffs 105 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: were preparing to scout other college football teams, not for 106 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: the purposes of game planning, but for the purposes potentially 107 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: of recruiting, or as you know it, the transfer portal. 108 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 2: Because now college players move very freely and very often 109 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: from one program to the other. The second thing I 110 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 2: told you, and this was going to be the more 111 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: important part, is the NCAA has no prayer of policing this. 112 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: I don't care what rule you write. You could write 113 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: all the rules or laws in society. If there was 114 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: a law against something, but you knew they weren't going 115 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 2: to enforce it, would you be scared to do it? 116 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: Of course you wouldn't. And it's the same way right now. 117 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: Tampering is a big problem. Tampering just means when you 118 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: got a player on your team and he's a sophomore. 119 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: That used to be the end of the game for me. 120 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: Once they're in high school and they commit to a place, 121 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: we're done. You know there's a ninety nine percent chance 122 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: I'll never really interact with him. But now things have changed. 123 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: I got some quotes I'm gonna read you in just 124 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: a second, so I want to really preface this. Get 125 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: this quote out of the way, get the statement out 126 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: of the way, because I know that even as I 127 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: utter this statement, I'm gonna have some ignorance in the comments. 128 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: I know this is America zero point one. And number two, 129 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: I know kids are free to transfer, and I'm not 130 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: against transferring I'm all for it. There's no law being 131 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: broken to rule being broken. When a kid transfer, they're 132 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 2: free to do it. They should be free to do it. 133 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: I want to state that, and then I'm going to 134 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: bet you five dollars that by the end of this 135 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: video in the comment section, someone comes down there and says, oh, what. 136 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: You think these kids should just be chained to a 137 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: program and never be able to go where they want to. No, 138 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: I don't think that's, sir or ma'am. No, I don't. 139 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: But what's the crux of the issue here? 140 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: As I said, the crux is not coaches being upset 141 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: the kids are transferring. They may not be happy about it, 142 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: but that's not what they're trying to stand. 143 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: In the way of. 144 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 2: The big problem is tampering and other coaching staffs interfering 145 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: with the guys on their roster. Now you can see 146 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: why that would upset a college coach to know that, 147 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 2: you know, a defensive backs coach or a quality control 148 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: guy from a rival, or maybe someone from another conference 149 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: is messing with kids on their roster. So this ESPN 150 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: feature piece you can still find it on ESPN dot 151 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 2: com from Alex Scarborough. It quoted several coaches, and I'm 152 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: about to read some of them, but a prominent high 153 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: school coach who is anonymous, so we can only guess 154 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: who this is, said that he estimates up to sixty 155 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 2: percent of college staffs are taking part in this kind 156 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: of behavior. Now I think that's a little bit high, 157 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: but I'll get back to that in a second. But 158 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: I want to remind you why would a high school 159 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: coach have something to say about this. Well, the high 160 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: school coaches friends are the ones in a lot of 161 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: cases who are used as the go between because it's 162 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,119 Speaker 2: not always as simple as if I'm coaching running backs 163 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: at Texas Tech and I want to talk to a 164 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: kid at Baylor, I just pick up the phone and 165 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: call the kid at Baylor. That's not the way it happens. 166 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: The way it happens is maybe I call his trainer, 167 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: or maybe I call his high school coach case in 168 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: point here, or maybe I remember his cousin, or I've 169 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: established contact with his aunt from recruiting, or maybe in 170 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: this is what's happening a lot, and you can read 171 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: about this in this future, maybe there's some kids on 172 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: my roster that played high school ball with that kid 173 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: and they're the ones that I use. So all these 174 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: things are happening. I don't buy the sixty percent. Now, 175 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: I do want to say that I don't think it's 176 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: quite sixty percent of college programs who are doing this, 177 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: But I think the number is plain any substantial enough 178 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: to where it's gotten a lot of attention and it's 179 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. The problem 180 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: here is the policing aspect. No one thinks the NCAA 181 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: is capable of doing a thing about this. Here's the 182 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: bottom line when it comes to tampering in college football. 183 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: The sport's gonna have to police itself. Because I was 184 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: listening to some of the quotes and reading some of 185 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: the quotes in this feature Eli Drinkwitz. Here's a quote 186 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: from Eli. What kind of ferociousness is behind the enforcement 187 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: if you have people on tape admitting to violations and 188 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: they're still actively coaching. Here's Sunny Dike's at SMU. You 189 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: want people in the sport to be ethical enough where 190 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: they don't fall prey to that. But you got to win, 191 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: and you got a high pressure job, and you have 192 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: all these things, and then all of a sudden, you 193 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: look and you go Oh, they didn't punish anyone, and 194 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: they're not gonna punish me, So why not let me 195 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: translate that for you. We don't believe the NCAA is 196 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: capable of taking a leak without getting in the front 197 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: of its pants wet. They're certainly not capable of enforcing this. 198 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: And our evidence is they got folks on tape in 199 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: another talking about openly paying kids to come play for 200 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: said school and they did nothing about it. So if 201 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: they got federal wire taps and that's really not producing 202 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: any kind of punishment, then why would we believe that 203 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: they're going to be capable of enforcing this? 204 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: And they're right. 205 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: No college coach believes the NCAA is capable of enforcing this, 206 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: But a lot of college coaches are rubbed the wrong 207 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: way about it. 208 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: You got some bad actors. 209 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: I still believe, contrary to the number that was in 210 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: this report, a majority are in the right here, and 211 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: a majority would much rather see a sport where it's 212 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: totally clean. Maybe they're participating in it because they feel 213 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: like they have to to keep up. What's the answer. 214 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: The answer is not the nc DOUBLEA. It rarely is 215 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: in college athletics. The answer is going to be at 216 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: the conference level. You got to get your you know 217 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: what together at conference level, and conference commissioners have an 218 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: extra weapon in their holdster that the NCAA does not have. 219 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: It's called TV money, Greg Sankee, and Birmingham, Alabama has 220 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: got TV money in his pocket. And so if you 221 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: get your fourteen head coaches together and you got agree 222 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: we don't want this, well, then all of a sudden, 223 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 2: the SEC doesn't need the NC double A. The SEC 224 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: can decide how it wants to handle the distribution of 225 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: its TV money, and so what about removing the nc 226 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: DOUAA to a degree from this equation, Greg Sankey just 227 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: as an example, as the SEC commissioner says, I got 228 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: this TV money that we distribute to you guys evenly 229 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: every year, twenty thirty, forty whatever million dollars. You want 230 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: to see your revenue, pie cut, let us catch you tampering. 231 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: Forget about the folks in Indianapolis. You need to worry 232 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: about the sheriff in Birmingham. Because if you guys agree 233 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: that you want a clean sport and you want tampering 234 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: to be removed, and you don't want to have to 235 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: worry about it, just give me the power, give me 236 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: to say so, and I'll hold that TV money over 237 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 2: the heads of your programs. And if you violate this rule, 238 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 2: then you're losing that bag for the year. Guess what 239 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: would all of a sudden happen. What would all of 240 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: a sudden happen is no one would be looking at 241 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 2: the nc DOUBLEA saying weak, ineffective. 242 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: All of a sudden they look and say, uh oh. 243 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: The burden of proof that the SEC needs may be 244 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 2: a little bit different. The investigatory power or manner in 245 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: which the conference were to go about this may be 246 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: a little bit different. I need to be careful here. 247 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: So I think only when the conferences get together at 248 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: their level and decide that they're going to police themselves, 249 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: will you have any kind of legitimate answer to tampering, 250 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: Because otherwise it's going to go unchecked. I can promise 251 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 2: you if you're waiting on the NCAA, it's going to 252 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: go unchecked. But I do want to point out before 253 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: we move on here, guys like Luke Fickele at Cincinnati 254 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: and Sam Pittman, they. 255 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: Made another good point. 256 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: Luke Fikel and Sam Pittman were among others on record 257 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: in this piece Byolet Scarborough is saying, you know what, 258 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: what this has shown us, even though we don't endorse tampering, 259 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: is that the programs that are dead honest in the 260 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: initial stages of recruiting a kid don't have to worry 261 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: about this stuff as much because kids don't get on 262 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 2: campus and find out I'm not getting what I was promised. 263 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: You didn't get the hook in my lip by any 264 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: means necessary in my high school days to me on campus, 265 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: and so you know, you largely have given me what 266 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 2: you promised me. I'm far less opt to be gruntled 267 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 2: because I'm far less opt to be disgruntled. That's what 268 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: I want to say because of that, So be honest 269 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: takes care of a lot of issues. 270 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: Just be honest. This is a problem. It's not going away. 271 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: Conferences, not the NCAA are going to have to fix 272 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: it in self police. We got a lot of questions 273 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: in a lot of conferences out there. This is kind 274 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: of part two, and I don't know how many parts 275 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: a series we're gonna have on this, but let's just 276 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: bounce around some Power five conferences and let's talk about 277 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: big questions. Hey, here's one, I guess two in the SEC. 278 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: Will South Carolina and or Tennessee make a bowl game? 279 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: Team win totals came out the other day. Tennessee was 280 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: at six and South Carolina was at four, and so 281 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: obviously we're trying to get to that magical six number 282 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: to make a bowl game. You are not always what 283 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: your record says you are. In college, I've been doing 284 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: some radio hits and this has been sort of a 285 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: popular phrase to come out of my mouth, especially when 286 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: I'm talking about Carolina, but it really applies to Tennessee too. 287 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 2: You get a new coaching staff in and everyone wants 288 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: to talk about year one. What should the expectations be 289 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: year one? What would success look like? Well, let me 290 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: ask you something. Does it really come down to a 291 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: win loss record to determine let me finish, to determine 292 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: how good your program has been year one and how 293 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: promising the future looks after that year one? And you 294 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: may say, yeah, sports is all about wins and losses. 295 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: That's really what it comes down to. I understand in 296 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: any given year, yes, that's where we're keeping score. But 297 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: if I'm looking at twenty twenty one and trying to 298 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: measure my expectations for twenty two to twenty three and beyond. 299 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 2: Based on this outcome. Let me kick you two scenarios. 300 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: You tell me what would be more promising. You go 301 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 2: six and six but your six losses are all by 302 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: double digits, or you go five and seven but all 303 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: seven losses are by one possession. 304 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: What's more promising for the future. One get you to 305 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: a bowl game, the other probably doesn't. 306 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 2: But you give me the five and seven with one 307 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 2: possession losses all day as it will to planning my future. 308 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to say all. 309 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: That as a frame of reference that it's not the 310 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: end all be all to make a bowl. I'd much 311 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: rather have close game losses than six and six with 312 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: a bunch of blowouts. But having said that, I think 313 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: it's a really good and I think a tangible goal, 314 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: maybe a little bit further reaching for Carolina than for 315 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: Tennessee to make a bowl game in year one. Of 316 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: these regimes. Of course, you get the extra practices blah 317 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: blah blah. You can sell it on the recruiting trail. 318 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: So let's just fingers cross for the eVols and the 319 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: game Cocks there in the Big Ten. Got to look 320 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: at Penn State, can James Franklin get his team to 321 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: start fast, because remember last year, it's snowballed really quickly. 322 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: They had some games that if you were to just 323 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: look at the box scores. 324 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: That Indiana game comes to mind. For example. 325 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: You look at the box score and you say, how 326 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: in the world did Penn State lose this game? It 327 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: looks like they dominated everywhere, literally, but the final score, unfortunately, 328 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: the final score is what counts, always has, always will 329 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: and then thinks snowball. So this year, how do you 330 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: fix that? How do you make sure things built snowball? 331 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: Will you never allow the snowball to be built? That's 332 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: how then it doesn't get kicked downhill. Doubt is gonna 333 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: linger as long as Penn State lets it linger in 334 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and it's natural. I may have all 335 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: the confidence in the world in them, but the bottom 336 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: line is they got to get it done on the 337 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 2: field to validate any of that confidence. There is doubt 338 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: from twenty twenty and they got to completely erase it, 339 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: and the only way to do that is a fast start. 340 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: By mid October, Penn State will have played at Wisconsin, 341 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: versus Auburn at home, versus Indiana at home and at Iowa. 342 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: They need to win three. 343 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: Of those four fast start imperative for Penn State. At 344 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: Florida States, I've got some growing confidence about the Seminoles, 345 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: both now and in the future. Is the transfer portal 346 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: going to pay off for Florida State this year? Because 347 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: I think they could potentially be set up to be 348 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: one of the best stories in college football if, for example, 349 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: a guy like Mackenzie Milton ends up panning out and 350 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: ends up being healthy, therefore the starting quarterback in all likelihood. 351 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: I mean, that could be an insane story. As we 352 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: watch twenty twenty one unfold. They took six different transfers 353 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: that we have rated in the top one hundred of 354 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: our Transfer Portal rankings. 355 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: That's not the end. They took more than six. 356 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: They got six of them ranked in the top one hundred, 357 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: and aside from Milton, a guy like Jermaine Johnson, for example, 358 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: I look at him and I wonder, could he end 359 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: up doing what Briton Cox did Briton Cox left and 360 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: went to Florida. I mean, is now staple of the 361 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: Florida defense. Could Jermaine Johnson be that he immediately adds 362 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: a really good pass rush presence there. Andrew Parchment comes 363 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: in is the most experienced and easily the most productive 364 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: wide receiver in that room. He's a godsend for that 365 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: wide receiver room. So of course we're not looking long 366 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: term to just build a program off the transfer portal 367 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: at Florida State. I mean, I love where they're going 368 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: in high school recruiting right now, but that doesn't help 369 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: him in twenty twenty one. So I think that they certainly, 370 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: it's easy to see the plant Florida State. No one's 371 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: looking around saying what are we doing? Everyone gets what 372 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: they're doing. Now, let's see if it pays off. Is 373 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: it realistic to expect Iowa State to improve this year? 374 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: The best news for Iowa State is the head coach 375 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: there is Matt Campbell. And when your head coach is 376 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: really good at developing and evaluating, then what happens is 377 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: you get every ounce of potential out of pretty much 378 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: every kid on your roster, and every one of them 379 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 2: seem to either meet or exceed expectation level you had 380 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: for when they came in. But here can be the downside, 381 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: which isn't really a negative. You just have to calibrate 382 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: your perspective. A lot of times, once they've been on 383 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: campus a couple of years, they are who they're going 384 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: to be as a player. Iowa State does not have 385 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: a lot of four and five star talent on the roster. Therefore, 386 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: you're not gonna get a bunch of superstar future pro 387 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: level production of guys spiking their junior and senior year. 388 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: That's not what's going to be the norm there. There's 389 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 2: some is going to always be greater than what the 390 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 2: individual parts indicate they should be. 391 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: They got a lot of returning starters. 392 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: It's preview magazine season, so the preview magazines are going 393 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: to tell you, well, because they have this many returning starters, 394 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 2: it just automatically means they are what they could be, 395 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: exactly who they were last year. What if they just 396 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: can't get any better? What if, in other words, that 397 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: coaching staff is so good that they had so thoroughly 398 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 2: developed all these guys and they so thoroughly wrung every 399 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: ounce of potential out of that team that what we 400 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: saw last year is the maximum capability. And by the way, 401 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: it was good enough to go to the Big Twelve 402 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: championship game, be right there with Oklahoma. A superior roster 403 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: team in the fourth quarter and then go to the 404 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: Fiesta Bowl and. 405 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: Beat the Pac twelve champion in Oregon. It was a 406 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:41,239 Speaker 1: great year. 407 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 2: It was a phenomenal, historic year for Iowa State. So 408 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 2: when I say, what if they're not capable of anything 409 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: more than that, if they duplicate last year, it's incredible. 410 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 2: What I'm saying is I just want to be careful here, 411 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: assuming that because you have X number of returning starters, 412 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 2: it just has to mean you get better. 413 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. We hope it does. Selfishly, I really 414 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: hope it does for Iowa State. 415 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 2: But I'm looking right now, what would I make the 416 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: game if they were to play Oklahoma today. 417 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: They don't play until late in the year. 418 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 2: That game's in Norman. I got Oklahoma by eight. That's 419 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: what our raw numbers have. Those will adjust, but that's 420 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: what our raw numbers are. So I'm just willing to see, 421 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: or really interested and of course willing to see is 422 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: there something different they do? In other words, did Matt 423 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: Campbell and his staff get to the end of the 424 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: line last year and say, we got all these guys 425 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 2: coming back. We see the separation, We see where we 426 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: are and where they are. How far do we need 427 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 2: to go? How could we possibly accomplish that? And sometimes 428 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: you don't stand pat sometimes you make changes. I just 429 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: don't know what changes they would make. So that's going 430 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 2: to be something to really keep an eye on in 431 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: the PAC twelve. I think the PAC twelve South is 432 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: going to be the most fascinating division race in college football. 433 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: It may not be the absolute highest level football being played, 434 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: but I think it's really going to be competitive. I 435 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: think teams in that division who I could easily see 436 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: winning this thing. The problem is they don't play equal schedules, 437 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: so I don't necessarily know that I can guarantee all 438 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 2: the best team's gonna win that thing. 439 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: Team win. 440 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: Totals came out the other day, As I said, Utah 441 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: over under eight and a half. 442 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: UCLA is at seven. 443 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: For reasons, I'm about to state USC nine Arizona State nine. 444 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 2: If USC does not win the Pac twelve South, even 445 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: I'll tell you got to hit the dump button, you 446 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 2: got to clean house. The schedule comparison here in what 447 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 2: I think is gonna be an ultra competitive division in 448 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: the PAC twelve South, so heavily tilts towards USC. 449 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: It's not even funny. 450 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: It's the only team out of the four that I 451 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: believe have a shot at winning that division that does 452 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: not play Oregon. 453 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: They don't play Washington. 454 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 2: Also, they get Arizona State sandwiched very nicely between two 455 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: winnable games. Meanwhile, they look across town. Ucla has the 456 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: following stretch Arizona State, then they go to Arizona Wildcats 457 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: off a bye, then they go to Washington versus Oregon, 458 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 2: and then what like, what in the world, it's not equal, 459 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: It's what I'm saying. And so I look at the 460 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: win totals and you say, ooh, UCLA's only seven. Well, 461 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: that's cause they got to play that and oh, by 462 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: the way, they also have to play LSU at the 463 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 2: beginning of the year. Ucla plays Utah somewhere in there too, obviously. 464 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: So I just I look at that division and Arizona State. 465 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 2: I mean, they could be a really good story this year, 466 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 2: but they could also go. 467 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: Seven and five. 468 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 2: There's wild variants, so it's going to be a really 469 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 2: fun division to watch, all right. 470 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: I want to just tip to our way into. 471 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: A really really good transfer portal story here, But it's 472 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: not about the portal per se it's about Auburn. 473 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: So TJ. 474 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: Finley a couple of days ago made it official he 475 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: transferred from LSU to Auburn, and he was quoted during 476 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 2: the process and after arriving at Auburn saying things along 477 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 2: the lines of, hey, I'm not coming there to be 478 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: a backup now. People who are competitive and who have 479 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: played sports didn't even pay attention to it. People who 480 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: didn't looked at that and said, oh my goodness, bulletin 481 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: board material, not so much. No one in the history 482 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: of this game has ever laced up a chin strap 483 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 2: to not start. Everyone wants to start. I mean, that's 484 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: why you play sports. It's what a competitive fire is 485 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: all about. Doesn't mean he's gonna win the job. Means 486 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: he's coming in to try and win the job. Can 487 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: he win the job? Yeah he can? Will he Well, 488 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 2: that's what the summer's for. And I want to stress something. 489 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of folks out there. I 490 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: got Auburn buddies blowing my phone up. I've heard every 491 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 2: theory under the sun, and everyone thinks they got it 492 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: figured out. Brian Harson doesn't know who's gonna start at 493 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 2: quarterback for him, Mike Bobo does not know who's gonna 494 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 2: start at quarterback for Auburn. And I'm not talking about 495 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 2: the possibility of injury. I'm talking about bo Nicks not 496 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: taking this. 497 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: Job by the throat. 498 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: It's early in a new regime, so that's understandable. There's 499 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: a lot of backing up to do with bo Nicks 500 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: from the neck up, probably before they can go forward 501 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: with him. But there are many possibilities I'm gonna list 502 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: some of them here that could end up playing themselves out. 503 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone knows. 504 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: Someone inevitably is gonna guess right, and then they're gonna 505 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 2: say I called this way back in the spring. 506 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: No you didn't, You just guessed right. 507 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: It's like no one has the inside track on what 508 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: the power ball is gonna be tonight. Someone will probably 509 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 2: end up guessing it right. So let's talk about what 510 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: could happen here. One scenario is bo Nicks, who is 511 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 2: the established starter, and TJ Finley. 512 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: They battle for the job. 513 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: Bo Nicks wins the job, but Finley keeps in mind, 514 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: as we need to he has five years to play four, 515 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: so it's not a make or break in year one 516 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 2: for TJ. 517 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: Finley. 518 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: But this all depends on where his head's at, because TJ. 519 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 2: Finley could be a guy who's coming in and for 520 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 2: all we know, saying to himself, I'm going to be 521 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: the starter there and if I don't win that job, 522 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a decision to make. 523 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: Or TJ. 524 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 2: Finley could be a guy saying I'm headed to this 525 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: island and I'm burning the ships behind me, So it's 526 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: Auburn for me. Let me get unlike Reuben Foster. Let 527 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: me get the tattoo on my forearm and then follow 528 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 2: through on it. And this is just where I'm gonna be. 529 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: Let the chips fall where they may. That could happen, 530 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 2: could be a scenario. It also could be that this 531 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 2: job's undecided when we enter camp, and it's undecided when 532 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: we exit camp. And it could be that Brian Harson, 533 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: they're sitting there the week of the first game saying, 534 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: let's see Akron and Alabama State the first two weeks 535 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 2: of the year. You know what that sounds like. That 536 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: sounds like two more weeks of fall camp. That's what 537 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: it sounds like. So let's ultimately let this thing play 538 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 2: out on the field, because we don't see enough separation 539 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 2: in these guys, which I think, in and of itself, 540 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: would say a lot about Bo Niggs. But having said that, 541 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 2: you still got to pick a guy. This is not 542 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: preferable for obvious reasons. You want to pick a quarterback, 543 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: you want to be riding one into battle come time 544 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: to play in week one. Doesn't always work out that way. 545 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: Teams have won titles before when the quarterback situation wasn't 546 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: decided in week one, But nevertheless, I don't think that's 547 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: the way they want to go. 548 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: Now here's another one that could happen. TJ. Finley could 549 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: just flat out win the job. 550 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 2: This would be the most interesting to me because then 551 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 2: we wouldn't be asking, well, what's Findley going to do 552 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: now that he lost the job? We'd be asking, now, 553 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: what's Bo Nick gonna do since he lost the job, 554 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: because we could sit there and talk all we want 555 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: to about whether TJ. Finley's gonna stick around if the 556 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: more likely scenario plays out and that's Bo Nick's winning 557 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: the job. But has anyone stopped to think about what 558 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: Bo Knicks would do if he lost this job? Calls 559 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 2: the key here, and what we can't really fully know 560 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: is the opinion of Brian Harson is obviously going to 561 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: carry the most weight, and the opinion of Mike Bobo's gonna. 562 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,239 Speaker 1: Carry a lot of weight. And we don't know how 563 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: they really feel. 564 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: We have press conferences to go on, but everyone talks 565 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: good in press conferences. We don't know if maybe they 566 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: got to the end of spring and they did a 567 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 2: healthy inventory of what they had just seen and they 568 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: said to themselves, we don't have a quarterback man, so 569 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: let's go do whatever we can in the portal, and 570 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: we're gonna open this thing up. Like both of them 571 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: just walked on campus, and at that point, any kind 572 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 2: of handicapping you've done on this and leaning towards bo 573 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: Nicks because hey, he's just always been there or he's 574 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: already been there, all that's out the window. 575 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 1: So we don't know. 576 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: There are no favorites being played here. In other words, 577 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: no one's got necessarily the inside track just because they've 578 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: been on campus. I mean, they've got a few weeks 579 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 2: that they've worked with bo Nicks more than they will 580 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: have worked with DJ Finley. 581 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: That's really what it boils down to. 582 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: I also just want to remind you that this matter 583 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 2: is one year from now as well a lot of 584 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: the Auburn folks. I was over on the Auburn undercover board, 585 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: and I knew the name Demetrius Davis was going to 586 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 2: come up immediately, as it should, because here's another scenario. 587 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: You just pick a name to win the quarterback battle 588 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: this year. Chances are Davis is going to be ready 589 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: to be the quarterback. And let me put a finer 590 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 2: point on it, chances are a year from now, Demetrius 591 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: Davis is going to be ready to be the starting 592 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 2: quarterback for Auburn. And at that point, what are we 593 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: looking at? 594 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: If TJ. Finley wins this job? I mean, after this year, 595 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: he'll have three more years to play, So what are 596 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: we doing. 597 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: This time next year? Of course we're having a competition, 598 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: is the easy answer. But what are we doing cause 599 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: Demetrius Davis, I'm going to tell you right now, I 600 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 2: think it's got more upside than any quarterback they have 601 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: on their roster. 602 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: He's just young. 603 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 2: He's probably come in I hesitate to say raw because 604 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 2: when you listen to the feedback about him out of 605 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: Texas in high school ball out there, he did a 606 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 2: lot of good things. You go watch his film he's 607 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 2: got really good pocket awareness, excellent touch on the ball, 608 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: got good enough arm strength even as a true freshman, 609 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: and the intangibles are off the charts. That's the kind 610 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: of guy that's going to be ready to play for 611 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: Auburn this time a year from now. 612 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: And so whether this shakes out bow Knicks or TJ. 613 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: Finley, I got my eye on what it does to 614 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: the roster a year from now, because you want competitors, 615 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: and no coach out there worth his salt is going 616 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: to turn away a competition to appease and massage the 617 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: feelings and ego of a quarterback that they think will 618 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: start from them and maybe a year from now, two 619 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 2: years from now, because if he's got the right mentality, 620 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: he probably won't go anywhere. 621 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: That's what they're gonna think. Does it play out like that? 622 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 2: Now, my gut, if you were to nail me down, 623 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: and no one can right now, because it's may my 624 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: gut says bo Knicks wins this job. I think he's 625 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: the best quarterback at the moment, even with the addition 626 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 2: of Findley. To be popular to talk TJ. Finley up, 627 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 2: it's gonna be popular to knock bone Nicks if you 628 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,239 Speaker 2: haven't already over the next couple of months. I think 629 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: bon Nicks is a better quarterback. I think he's got 630 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 2: better tools. I think he's got better in tangibles. So 631 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: I think he's got the things that they're gonna need 632 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: in the most abundant supply. But it's not like there's 633 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: a gulf between he and TJ. 634 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: Finley. 635 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 2: In fact, there's not a wide gap. I just think 636 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: it's gonna be Nick's job. I have spoken to someone 637 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 2: who indicated Harson at least felt that much coming out 638 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 2: of spring. But again, you really don't know. It could 639 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: be that they view this as a game changer, reset button. 640 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: So let's keep a close eye on that Auburn quarterback battle, 641 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: because the reason I was talking about other programs is 642 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 2: who knows. 643 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: I do know one thing. 644 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: The likelihood if Vegas were to put odds on all 645 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: three of those quarterbacks still being on this roster when 646 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two season starts, the odds wouldn't be good. 647 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: So by the very nature of those odds, stands to reason, 648 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: one of these guys may be in the portal this 649 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 2: time next year, and may be come into your program 650 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: and may change the trajectory of your program. So keep 651 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: an eye on this because no longer are these position 652 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: battles at quarterback just isolated to mattering for that team. 653 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: I wanted to wrap up tonight with some impact freshmen 654 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: because boy, we got five powerhouse names here, and so 655 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: let's run down this list. Leonard Taylor isn't Miami. This 656 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: was a huge recruiting win for the Canes. Cannot overstate it. 657 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: This is the kind of guy that had been escaping 658 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: South Florida and go into Ohio State, Clemson, or Alabama 659 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: and Miami kept him home. 660 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: This was the number ten overall player. He's a defensive tackle. 661 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: Now, I want to stress to you this is probably 662 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: not a guy speaking of Alabama since that's who Miami 663 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: opens with. This is not a guy that you just 664 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: absolutely are gonna have to see on the field from 665 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: Miami when they take the field in Week one. 666 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: Miami's got good enough depth along the. 667 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: Defensive line, specifically at Taylor's position, where they would love 668 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: for him to be a part of this rotation. But 669 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: it's not totally required for them to have a shot 670 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: to win. But it could be one of those classic 671 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 2: Week one versus Week seven things. Maybe he's not a 672 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: starter in week one. Maybe he sees rotational action first 673 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 2: few weeks, but then you fast forward to week seven 674 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: and there he is. 675 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: Because you wait for. 676 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: The click with guys like this, who you know have 677 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: three and out talent. You don't look down the road 678 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: and say, oh, we're red shirt him this year, we 679 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: use his extra year. You're trying to get him on 680 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: the field as soon as you can trust him. You 681 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 2: get him on the field, and you wait for that click. 682 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: And you listen to coaches all the time and they'll 683 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: talk about how you know about week five or week 684 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 2: six in practice. It just he started to grasp it 685 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: mentally and he was already there physically. And so who knows, 686 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: Maybe Leonard Taylor's there in week one at some point 687 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 2: this year. He's not an early in roll league, it 688 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: should be noted, so at some point this year may 689 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: take a little bit longer, but I think you'll see 690 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 2: him on the field. I want to go with two 691 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: names at North Carolina. One of them is Keishawn Silver. 692 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: The other is Javari Ritzi. We've talked about both of 693 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: these guys within the context of North Carolina already. They're 694 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: both defensive ends. They both came in this last cycle. 695 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: Obviously for Mac Brown and company. Silver the number thirty 696 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: overall player in the country. He was a five star. 697 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: Ritzy was top one fifty, he was a four star. 698 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 2: Jay Bateman's a defensive coordinator there, and he was not 699 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: hesitant in spring ball to say I'd be supremely disappointed 700 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,959 Speaker 2: if at least one of them is not starting for us, 701 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: and I think both of them candidly will end up playing, 702 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: if not starting, really good minutes for North Carolina this year. 703 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: I remember Steve Wilfong when we were watching different spring stuff. 704 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: He text me one day and said, those two dudes 705 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 2: look like they play for Alabama. That's the kind of 706 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 2: true freshman Alabama brings in and you look at him 707 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: and he's right. This is sort of like an Oklahoma 708 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: Atlantic Coast type deal. Oklahoma was dreadful defensively and they 709 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: had to fix themselves through recruiting, and it's been a 710 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 2: couple of years process now, but now we see a 711 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: result where Oklahoma, we myself included, we believe they're good 712 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 2: enough defensively to win a title, when North Carolina's having 713 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: to do that same kind of overhaul. Mack Brown inherited 714 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: a very thin defensive roster literally and figuratively. You got 715 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: to get depth and you got to get size, and 716 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: these dudes. 717 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 1: Have both of them. 718 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 2: These aren't guys that you got to get in the 719 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 2: weight room for a year and a half before you 720 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: could realistically put him on the field and expect him 721 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: to stand up. Tim Cross, who coaches that position, there 722 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 2: was a really good number here. Chris Hummer put this 723 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: in the piece that I drew this from. They played 724 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: ten interior and edge lineman last year one hundred and 725 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: eighty snaps or more. They rotate out of necessity, but 726 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 2: also out of choice. They rotate, and so I think 727 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 2: both of these guys you're going to see on the field, 728 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: these are difference makers. Now, these guys end up changing 729 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 2: the course of games. How about Kaylin King. He is 730 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: the exact same way, but he's a corner and he's 731 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: at Penn State. He was number two thirty four overall. 732 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: The Penn State staff was blown away when he got 733 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: there in spring. 734 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: He was early in rowly. 735 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: He went through the whole deal. He led the team 736 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 2: in takeaways during the spring. Every time they had an 737 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: open scrimmage of practice. He popped James Franklin called him 738 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: the most advanced true freshmen that they've had since they've 739 00:32:59,360 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: been there. 740 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: Franklin's been there for. 741 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: A little while now, and they've had some good players 742 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 2: come through there. This is big, though, because if you 743 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 2: look at the way, you know the sport and the 744 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: game is shifting, you got to have high level corner play, 745 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: defensive back play, but corner play because of the. 746 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: Kinds of guys. 747 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 2: Think about the kinds of guys you're gonna face with 748 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 2: Ohio State. Well, I mean, you put guys like Kayln 749 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: King out there. You'd like to clone him to face 750 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: Ohio State, But you put guys like that out there, 751 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: you put yourself in a really good position to challenge 752 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 2: folks like Ohio State and teams like Ohio State. 753 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: So Kaylyn King, man, it's a matchup. 754 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: Oh He's going to be really fun to watch because 755 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 2: he's the kind of guy that comes in and gets 756 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 2: the same kind of hype as Derek Stingley did as 757 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: a true freshman at LSU. Steenley was higher rated, But 758 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 2: it matters what are you as a player? Who are 759 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: you as a player? Kaylyn King is going to be 760 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 2: a player from day one, year one for Penn State, 761 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: and a Donnie Mitchell is another name, a wide receiver 762 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 2: for Georgia. Now, this is a guy who was off 763 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 2: the recruiting radar for a lot of you. He was 764 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 2: number three eighty one overall. But I've listened to Kirby 765 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 2: smart Talk and I've talked to another person close to 766 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 2: their program. This was always a guy that they trusted 767 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 2: their evaluation on and they just had higher on their 768 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 2: board than most other staffs did, and even we did 769 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 2: at twenty four to seven. And he had a really 770 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 2: good spring. But the week before their spring game is 771 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 2: when it really started to click for him. And then 772 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: he shined in the spring game. And this is with 773 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 2: the backdrop of George Pickens being out, So everyone's watching 774 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 2: the Georgia spring game. A lot of other receivers were 775 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 2: out too, and all of a sudden, you see who 776 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: is that? Where is he Donnie Mitchell? I'm looking at 777 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 2: my team roster here. I didn't expect to hear much 778 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: from him this year. Well, change the expectation level is 779 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: all I can tell you, because he's going to be 780 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: a factor. He's one of several kids that went out 781 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 2: to California recently with JT. Daniels get some work in. 782 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: You want to collect as many of these guys as possible. Now, 783 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 2: I'm not telling Georgia fans anything they don't already know, 784 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 2: but I think sometimes if you already got a full 785 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 2: not loaded, let's just say full position group, you say, oh, 786 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: what's won more? It could be everything, especially at wide receiver. 787 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 2: What you're trying to do is accumulate and collect as 788 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 2: many differ skill sets as possible. And Mitchell brings a 789 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 2: skill set that maybe you don't have, and it could 790 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 2: be the difference in a one possession game, it could 791 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 2: be the one or two plays could be the difference, 792 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 2: and he may have that skill set on that third 793 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 2: and seven to make that specific kind of play happen. 794 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: You can never have too many of them. Never. 795 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 2: And so he came on late in spring. He's in 796 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 2: the road to I think he's gonna be in the 797 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 2: rotation this fall for him. So these are some true freshmen. 798 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 2: We still got a long way to go on this list, 799 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 2: by the way, but these are some more true freshmen 800 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 2: that if you want to own this sport, you're gonna 801 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 2: bet this sport. These are the kinds of names you 802 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 2: cannot lean on the preview magazines to inform you about 803 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 2: because they don't hardly know anything about them. That's the 804 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 2: big that's the big blind spot in preview culture. People 805 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 2: don't know what to expect from freshmen, so they lean 806 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: on the returning guys. Well, there are gonna be a 807 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 2: lot of true freshmen who are impact players this year. 808 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: I just gave you some of them. You're not done 809 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: with that. 810 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 2: As I said, we are done with this show that 811 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 2: because up we got to get out of here. 812 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. 813 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 2: We cut it into a Memorial Day weekend, So whatever 814 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: you're doing, remember the SPF and. 815 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: Remember to be safe out on there on the water. 816 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 2: For Director Emeritus Colin, for Jesse and Company in Connecticut, 817 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,479 Speaker 2: I'm Josh Faith. 818 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for supporting the show. 819 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for watching the show and listening to 820 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 2: the show. Have yourselves a great weekend, and God bless