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Speaker 2: Hello wasn't to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I

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Speaker 2: NBA VET, eleven time NBA All Star, eleven time member

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Speaker 2: University of alvern SEC player of the nineteen eighters, a

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Speaker 2: time Emmy Award winning personality, analyst and commentator, fan favorite,

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Speaker 2: in all of sports. Sir Charles, the round Milder Rebound,

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Speaker 2: NBA history. Ladies and gentlemen, Sir Charles Markley, you wrote that.

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Speaker 2: You read that just like I wrote it. Hey, I

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: It's an honor, man, Thank you for having me. Man,

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Speaker 2: I've been you know, we've been trying to do this

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Speaker 2: I want to say thank you for opening up. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know, we got to talk about your Kangnac

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Speaker 2: got your red monk.

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Speaker 2: So you know it's a company of distillery. I bought

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Speaker 1: And the distillery opened up and I was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: The only thing I worry about the men and my

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Speaker 2: But you know, as long as I invest in Alabama.

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Speaker 2: What was Charles Barkley childhood?

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Speaker 1: Like? Well, you know, Shannon, it's interesting because poor people

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Speaker 2: I had a great mother and grandmother. My mother was

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Speaker 1: But to get back to the high school thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at your childhood. I read that your grandmother

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Speaker 2: it takes tremendous courage that in boxing are by faring

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Speaker 2: I've experienced more racism and see more racists when I

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Speaker 2: I have one very heavy colloquial dialect that's indigenous to

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Speaker 1: Yes, did people make fun of the way you spoke?

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize it until I got to Philadelphia, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so I would say, you know, by now,

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Speaker 2: by the great Gene Bartow made it to the sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 2: So asked coach Smith, I said, you got a pin

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Speaker 2: And that's actually how the whole thing at Auburn went down.

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Speaker 2: I said, it's signing was made. Says you're gonna sign autographs.

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Speaker 2: because these dudes cannot play dead. And that's how I

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Speaker 2: I said, hell, man, look who they have on the

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be veryer, stronger, more experienced.

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Speaker 2: When you I said, the number one thing, I said,

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Speaker 2: But the number one thing where you're deciding to go

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Speaker 2: at who's on the roster before you decide to go.

435
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: So you said you didn't realize that you had an

436
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 2: accent until you got the Philly. Once you got to Philly,

437
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 2: did you ever try to change the way you talk

438
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 2: or nunciate words? No, not really, because, as you know, fame,

439
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: like everybody trying to explain being in the limelight of fame,

440
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: whatever words you want to use, trying to explain that

441
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: to a normal person, like talking Chinese or talking to

442
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 2: an alien.

443
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 1: You're not a sport, do you celebrities other? Yeah?

444
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: But when I first like, it's overwhelming when it first happened. Yes,

445
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: Like I said, you can't even prepare for it. I said,

446
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 2: when they start sticking those cameras and you turn on TV,

447
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: they talking good or bad about you. In Philadelphia on

448
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: the radio, going to the black barbershop, Hey, never go

449
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 2: to a black barbershop when you're on a bad team. Ever, Hey,

450
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 2: any circumstances, I said, do you never hey the Wooded

451
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 2: Brothers in Philadelphia, Man, I played on some team of

452
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: just sucking Philly when Doctor Moses had went away. Never

453
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 2: go to a black barbershop when things are going back.

454
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: They will tell you the truth. And even if it's

455
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: not your fault, they just gonna tell you y'all suck.

456
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: Y'all suck. But no, I was trying to adjust and

457
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 2: in a really important pivotal moment had when I was

458
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: with Doctor j So my second year in the league.

459
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm starting to.

460
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: Become a good player, and I hate when guys get

461
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: on TV and say they don't give it what people think.

462
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Everybody wants to be liked, they do.

463
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 2: But I was trying to make everybody happy. They started

464
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 2: because my first couple of years, they went to Moses,

465
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: Doctor J, Marie Cheeks, Andrew Tony, those guys, Bobby Jones like.

466
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever got an interview with my

467
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: rookie year. So later in my second year, I'm starting

468
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: to get it together and learn. The games slowing down

469
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: for me and Doctor J. I said, Doc, how do

470
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: I talk to the press? He said, well, you gotta know,

471
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 2: you gotta do it. Figure it out because they're coming

472
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 2: to you.

473
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: Now. You turn into a hell of a player. And

474
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: I said, I want everybody like me.

475
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 2: He says, well, that's that's kind of an interesting question

476
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: because no matter what you say, have people gonna like

477
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: it and have people gonna dislike it. And I said,

478
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 2: what does that mean? He says, that's the way this

479
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: thing works. You can't make everybody happy. And then that

480
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: was the turning point for me. I said, what if

481
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,239
Speaker 2: I just say my truth? He says, you might as

482
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 2: well say you're truth because even if you said what

483
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: everybody wants you to say, some people are gonna disagree

484
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: with it.

485
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: And then I changed my whole philosophy as far as like,

486
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: just be honest.

487
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: That does not mean I'm right all the time, but

488
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to be fair and give my honest opinion.

489
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: And I can live with the repercussions because you said

490
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 2: something earlier, whether people like me or not. At least

491
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: guys like you know what, at least Charles, even if

492
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 2: I disagree with him, he doesn't have a haden agenda.

493
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: Because the one thing I hate about these guys somebody

494
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: and you know, I got this to hate towards Skip

495
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: Baylor's because it's specially being black. I think I'm representing

496
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: some bigger I think every black person on television. Television

497
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: is really powerful. Really. Mike Wilbon one of my mentors,

498
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: one of the best people I ever met. He said

499
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: something me one time, he says, when he first got

500
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: the job at PTI one of my favorite shows with

501
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: him in corn Houser, he says, Man, I didn't realize

502
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: how powerful television was. He says, I've been with The

503
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: Washington Post for twenty five years. I walk around nobody

504
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 2: say hello, kiss my anything. I'm on TV for a week. Hey,

505
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: you're the guy from TV. And he said he had

506
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: to learn, like man, TV is a powerful thing. But

507
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: the point I want to make as a black person,

508
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: I'm really conscious of everything I say. You gotta be

509
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: because there is a double standard. Idiot, Because one thing

510
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: that drives me crazy when when people use cold word

511
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: describing me, you, steven A, guys like that, I says,

512
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: And I want to be very careful because I'm not

513
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: trying to offend anybody, but I want to make this point.

514
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 2: I says, well, I'm curious you don't use those type

515
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 2: of words. You use words and we know what they

516
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: mean black when you talk about Shannon steven A and

517
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: Chuck I said, But when Colin Coward, Jim Rome, Mike Greenberg,

518
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 2: who are great guys, I might add, when they say stuff,

519
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: you don't use those cold words with them. And I says,

520
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: so I'm very cognizant of like, Okay, there's a double standard.

521
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: So I'm really careful about some of the stuff I say.

522
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: But I'm not afraid of anything because my opinion matters

523
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: just like theirs do.

524
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: Right.

525
00:26:53,119 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 2: But I think we start to understand is that it's

526
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: not what we say, it's the breaking them down of everything,

527
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: of every word, of parsing it, trying to like with.

528
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: This no, yes, this is my favorite.

529
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: Well, when I see shows like well this is what

530
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: he said, but this is what he meant, I'm like, no,

531
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: I know.

532
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: What I meant.

533
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I said, But I always laugh when

534
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: they say like, well he said this, but this is

535
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: what he mean, this is what he was trying to say.

536
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I said exactly what I meant to say.

537
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: It drives me crazy when I see when they not

538
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: mainly saying about me, but talking about other people. Well

539
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: this jock said this because Jim Rohm says something I

540
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: really love. He says, every time somebody says, I mean

541
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: no disrespect, you know what's coming next? Disrespect? Jim Jim Rome,

542
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: Who's I really like a lot.

543
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: He said.

544
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: He does a segment every week where he says that

545
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: he says, you know it's time for the disrespect moment,

546
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: and he always played a pong. Well, I mean, no

547
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: disresp he said, wait for it. You know what's coming next?

548
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: Disrespect and I love that when you played, were you

549
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: a trash talker? Not much, not much, not much because

550
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: I had to, you know, because I had too much

551
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: going on in my brain. Because when you're six '

552
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: five playing against a six eight guy, sixty nine guy,

553
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: six ' ten guy, I have to have a strategy,

554
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: you know. I say, I think if somebody says son

555
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: to me one time they went and looked at the numbers,

556
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm the only person in the history of sports who

557
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: never played against anybody who was shorter than them. Because

558
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: I played center in college, right and then obviously in

559
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: an NBA, I'm always going to be the shortest guy

560
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 2: and shortest power forty yes in history. So I says,

561
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: I had so much going on in my brain. I'm like, Okay,

562
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: they bringing this guy in. He does this, well, he

563
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: does this, he plays me this way. Then they bring

564
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: the other guy in. I said, what he brings he

565
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: plays me this way, They're gonna do this.

566
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: So I had so much going on in my brain.

567
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: I mean, because like I say, when you you can't

568
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: out talent, I mean, if you're Michael lebron Kobe Shaq,

569
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: you can out talent. Ninety nine percent of the guys

570
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: in the world. But when you're a six y five

571
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: power forward, you can't out talent people. I tell people

572
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: that you can't out talent people at my size. You

573
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: have to use your brain. Were you did you fight

574
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: a lot as a kid?

575
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: No?

576
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: Because I was too little. You can see that. That's

577
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: the thing that people don't understand. Like, I was always

578
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: small until I had the gros sperg. When you, like

579
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: I said, when you're a little dude, you can't be

580
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: going around fighting people. Can you gonna get your kids?

581
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: It was really you know, you know people always ask

582
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: me though about the gros spurg. Yeah, I never had

583
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: any pain, really, like when you go when you wake

584
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: up one day and you five ten and the next

585
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: day you six five, Like I never went through Like.

586
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: It was really weird that never it never hurt me.

587
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: But could you tell that you had grown that much

588
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: over the summer?

589
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: I did not know it. That's what's weird. The coach

590
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: said to me, you've grown over the summer. I think

591
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: I've grown a little bit. And then he said, like

592
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: you like six four and a half six five and

593
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: from five ten?

594
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

595
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: And the best thing, though, Shannon, the best thing was

596
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: because The number one asset of my game was my

597
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: ability to dribble. Yes, because you can't post up guys

598
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: who are sixty nine six ten, but they don't want

599
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: to move their feet right, So when I played guard

600
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: all those years, that was probably the best asset to

601
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: me when I got to play against those big guys. Yeah, yeah,

602
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: because they them big dudes. The one thing it's hard

603
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: to post them up, but they can't move their feet

604
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: more than one or two times. And that was the

605
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: biggest asset of my game, my ability to dribble. If

606
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: you grow that much in a summer, I mean you're clothes,

607
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: you probably look like you have throw bodin brother. Well,

608
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: that's the one thing about being poor. You're just dropping down.

609
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: Oh so you weren't handisht You're hev me down because

610
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: you know we ain't gonna get no you know, you're

611
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: gonna get your one Super Easter. Yeah, you're gonna get

612
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: a couple of outfairs of Christmas. The rest of ourself

613
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: are gonna be hand me down.

614
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

615
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: And also when you're in a small town, it's a

616
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: very close knit community. So when you get done with clothing,

617
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: it's always a name somebody get something. That's why I'll

618
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: always appreciate growing up in a small town. You know,

619
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: Kenny grew up in New York. I wouldn't want to

620
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: assure how my life would have been different if I

621
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: had grown up in New York. But growing up in

622
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: a small town, it really it was a surreally sense

623
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: of community. Community, Yes everybody, I mean, And that's what

624
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: when I'm on Nightcap and I try to tell people this,

625
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: it was always everybody was yes sir, no, sir, yes.

626
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: Yes, no, ma'am.

627
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: If you misbehave miss such and such, we tell your tale,

628
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: you're gonna get two whim and then she gonna go

629
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: home and say, Mary, I had to whip that boy

630
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 2: because he was being managed or he's he was cursing,

631
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: and then you got another whipping.

632
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: Yep, what happened to that sense of community?

633
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: Other? You know, we we in the black community, we

634
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: just have to do better. We gotta Number one, Racism exists,

635
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: always has and always will, you know. I really, I look,

636
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: I tell people this. Sports are a great thing for

637
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: black kids. It's really helped a lot of us get

638
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: out of here and help them go back and make

639
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: things better.

640
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: But you have to understand something.

641
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: If you're born and it's white poor too, oh yeah,

642
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: because it's really economic racism, like calling people names and

643
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: stuff like that.

644
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: That's just silly and stupid.

645
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: But economic racism is the biggest problem we have in

646
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: this country because if you're black and poor or white

647
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 2: and poor, you're gonna be born in a bad neighborhood.

648
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: You're gonna go to an inferior school. And I always

649
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: use this analogy. Yes, it's if you play baseball and

650
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: if every time you step up to the plate you

651
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: got two strikes against you. Yeah, shine up, gonna get

652
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: a hit, Chuck gonna get a hit, and we're gonna

653
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: have a couple little hits for most people are gonna

654
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: strike out, yes, or your fade to swing.

655
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes.

656
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: So I just think that we got to do a

657
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: better job of holding each other accountable and accept the

658
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: fact that, hey, it's a double standard.

659
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: But you can never give up.

660
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: You can never be like you know what, I'm tired,

661
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: because let's be realistic, it's still better than it used

662
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: to be. Yes, it ain't perfect, but it's still better

663
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: than it used to be.

664
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: Check us out.

665
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: When you got to auber you weigh three hundred pounds

666
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: the first two hundred days in college. It's reported that

667
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: you ordered one hundred pieces, but you led to SEC

668
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: in rebounding your three years you were there. You hold

669
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: the record for the career field goal percentage at almost

670
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: sixty three percent. You was SEC player of the Year

671
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: and the decade of the eighties, and you're a member

672
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: of the Alburns All Century Team.

673
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: How dare you do that at three hundred.

674
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: Pounds, man, I had some serious talent, to be honest

675
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: with you, And like I say, the college game is

676
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: not near as fast, and you know, we just live

677
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: in a different generation a lot faster now. But you know,

678
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: you kind of unless you get a fast because when

679
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: teams score, you walking the ball up and down the court.

680
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: And it was really interesting.

681
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: One of my coaches, Roger Banks, I struggled, like the

682
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: first week I was in college.

683
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: He says, son, what is your problem?

684
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: Because I was twenty rebounds a game in high school

685
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: because I played with a really good high school team

686
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: and they never ran play. So I decided to get

687
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: my own. I had to get my own, and you

688
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: were passing the back guy, you got no. So we

689
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: had we had about eight players who got scholled. We

690
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: had really good teams. Yeah, we had really good sports

691
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: teams in my hometown. Because you know, a lot of

692
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: times when people in small towns they got like three

693
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: high schools. The one thing about my high school, we

694
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 2: got one high school. You go K to twelve with

695
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: the same group, so we always had good sports team.

696
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: Well you didn't go K to twelve in the same class,

697
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: did you? No? No, No, But I'm telling it was crazy.

698
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: You see the same people from K to twelve, and

699
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: it's so funny. How like we always had good team

700
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: in football and basketball, always had good team in football

701
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: and basketball.

702
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: Did it never dawn on you? You're like, well, man,

703
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm really killing it.

704
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: I'm getting the i'm playing, I'm averaging thirteen fourteen, fifteen points,

705
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm getting ten, twelve rebounds. Man, if I lost a

706
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: few pounds, I might be able to bump that up

707
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: to do twenty fifteenth. Did I ever thought crock your

708
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: mind in college?

709
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: No?

710
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: Because when you when you know the toughest thing about

711
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: a player and you know this and a team kind

712
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: of happened to my Eagles this year when they got

713
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 2: off to like a ten and one start. A lot

714
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: of times where people don't understand when you're having six says,

715
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: you still need to get better as a player, as

716
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: a team and have because you can have bad habits,

717
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: but your team is so good you keep winning. So

718
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: I'm talking, I'm not sure, but like, I'm probably the

719
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: only freshman that ever leads to SEC and rebounding and

720
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: then I let it every year. So I'm not thinking

721
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: about flaws. I think I'm doing pretty good. Yeah, so

722
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm not thinking about yo, man, lose weight. I'm like, yo,

723
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: I'm all SEC. I'm leading the league in rebound as

724
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: a freshman, as a sophomore, as a junior, and I'm like, no,

725
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: I'm good. And you know, actually, my coach tried to

726
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 2: get me to lose weight and we fought a little

727
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: bit early in my career. We're really close today because

728
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: I had to go back and apologize.

729
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, you were right, You were right.

730
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: I was wrong. I should have lost weight sooner. I

731
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: could have been better.

732
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: But you know, we're all when you're eighteen and having success,

733
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: you don't you don't think anything.

734
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: You good? Yeah yeah, So.

735
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: I it goes back to my thing with Miss Gomez

736
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: and my dad, Like you know what.

737
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: It's you. You know, I tell you.

738
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: The one thing about being in the limelight, man, very

739
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: few people have the ability to say my fault, my bad. Yeah,

740
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: they ain't a whole lot of capability going on. It's

741
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: a lot of people kissing your Yeah. Very few people

742
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: have the ability to say, hey, you know what, it's

743
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: my fault, it's my bad. I was wrong, because, like

744
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: I said, you got so many people kissing you. You

745
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: got so many people on the payroll kissing you. It's like,

746
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: so you have to be self aware. And that's the

747
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: only thing I hate about life. All the dummies you did.

748
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: You get older, you get so much smarter and get

749
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: so much wisdom, and you go back, Man, what a

750
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: dummy I was.

751
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: But nobody told you that. Yeah.

752
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: But but but you you know, that's that's that's the

753
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: one thing about life that I that I really hate

754
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: that you don't learn all this smart stuff that you

755
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: get older, because there are so many people out there.

756
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: There's so many people out there who make mistakes that

757
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: they either die from or.

758
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: Ruins their life.

759
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: And if you get older, you're like, man, what I

760
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 2: did back then was dumb and stupid, and I wish

761
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: that more young kids would pick up talk to people

762
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: like you me because we've been through some stuff. Like

763
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: when I watch you all the time, you talk about

764
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: preparing for success. You talk about your time in Denver,

765
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: you talk about your time with the Ravens, about trying

766
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: to teach the young guys how to do things, take

767
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 2: care of them bodies and things like that. I tell

768
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: these guys that, Yo, man, it's like Zon. I like

769
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: Zon a lot does of you. He reminds me. I mean,

770
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: he's more, he's more athletic. But the sooner he gets

771
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: in shape, the better he's gonna be. Have you had

772
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: a conversation with him, No, but and I don't. I

773
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: don't know him, but I try to tell him that

774
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: on television. I hope he hears. And don't take it

775
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: as a criticism because like he he has got so

776
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: much talent. And you can't get in shape during the season. No,

777
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: you get in shape during the summer.

778
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: Correct.

779
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: And I've seen that he's lost about twenty five pounds.

780
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: That's what the report started. During the season. You gotta

781
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: do that during the summer because you got to be

782
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: ready to go when the season starts. Because he got man,

783
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: he is so explosive because that last game that he

784
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 2: got hurt in against the Lakers, that's the best I've

785
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: ever seen him play. But you, man, and listen, listen.

786
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: I got in shape for two million dollars. The money

787
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: these guys are making today, I'd be damn near an

788
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: arresting for.

789
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: For thirty five dollars make fifty sixty I know. I mean,

790
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: they'd be like, we got to get charge to eat.

791
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: He's at rest.

792
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: I was like, my first contract was four years, two

793
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: million dollars, and I said, I lost fifty pounds for

794
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: that type of money. I said, for thirty forty fifty

795
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: sixty million dollars. And they're like, your guys, Charge is

796
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: losing too much weight. He's we will have to make

797
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: sure he ain't a limit or something. I said, like,

798
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: But so man, I just hope he listens and don't

799
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: take it because guys who've been in this business, like

800
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: yourself and myself, man, this is it's just the best

801
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: job in the world. But sometimes you need to take

802
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: constructive criticism. But the problem is is that a lot

803
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: of time athletes and I've been one and now I'm

804
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: on the other side, is that we have people around

805
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: us that tell us what we wanted to hear, what

806
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: we need to know. Yes, And so a person that

807
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: tells you what you need to know, you're less apt

808
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: to move away from that persons and keep the people

809
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: that tell you what you want to hear around.

810
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: They should tell him, they shouldn't.

811
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: He should see it because when I first saw him,

812
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: I say, he reminds me of Charles Barkley, but he's

813
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: more explosive. Yes, Chuck, but if he lost it, if

814
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: he got down to two fifty.

815
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: They'd have to change.

816
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: That'd be like because the thing he did against the

817
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 2: Lakers in that one game, he could do that every night.

818
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: And it goes back to my original thing.

819
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: Like I could have a couple of good plays when

820
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: I was three hundred pounds, butn't sustain it. But I

821
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: couldn't sustain it. When I got to fifty, I can

822
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: sustain it. And I could go the next day and

823
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: the next day, the next day. And I hope you

824
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: know these guys, And I hate to be the old

825
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: man because when you say something or I say something,

826
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: we hate what we hate, or we the old get

827
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: all my long guys. I'm like, no, we know how

828
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: this story ends. I says, let me tell you something.

829
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: I know how every NBA story is gonna end. I

830
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: played against Bird, I played against Magic, Kareem Michael. You

831
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: know I play like I know what it takes to

832
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: be successful, and no, you know what it takes to

833
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: be great? Yes, And you know the thing is, it's like,

834
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: let's talk about drugs. I had a younger brother who

835
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: was a junkie who died at a young age. When

836
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: I talked to these young kids in high school to

837
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: college about drugs, I said, yo, man, it ain't a matter.

838
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: If it's a matter when you know, it broke my

839
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: mom's heart. It broke my heart for a long time.

840
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: I said, yo, man, I don't understand why you gotta

841
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: do drugs.

842
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: I just don't get it.

843
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: And I almost did cocaine one time, because you know,

844
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: I had put my brother in a bunch of rehabs

845
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: and I was like, what's what's the petition? And I

846
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: talked to one of my boys. I says, yo, man,

847
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: I want you to get me some cocaine. And he says, Charles,

848
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: she's sucking nuts. I says, man, my brother he gonna

849
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: die at some point. And I ain't never had something

850
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: so strong that I would give up the NBA or

851
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: my money, saying, you know, I gotta do.

852
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: Drugs and he knows it's killing him, but he can't

853
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: stop me.

854
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: Catch up John Lucas, who's a great, great man, he said,

855
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: He said, Chuck lem gonna tell you something about it.

856
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: The junkie.

857
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: He says, if I put a million dollars on this

858
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: table cash and a pile of cocaine over there, or

859
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: a crack or whatever you want to say, a junkie

860
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: would not say, Man, I can buy a lot of

861
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: cocaine with that money, he gonna go right for that

862
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: pile over there.

863
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: Wow. And my brother died. I think he was forty

864
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: when he died.

865
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: He got his life together, he got his life together,

866
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,479
Speaker 2: but he had done so much damage to.

867
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: His body and it just gave out.

868
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: And when I talk to these kids, I said, oh, man,

869
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: it ain't a matter if. It's just a matter of when.

870
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: If you're doing this drug thing, it's somebody. You're finally

871
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: gonna get a call one night that it's over. And

872
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: that I felt so bad for my mom because she

873
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: never got over it, never got over it. You come

874
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: out the nineteen ninety four Draft now eighty four draft,

875
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: the eighty four draft Michael Jordan, John Stopping, Charles Barkla,

876
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: Keim Elijah Wan the first three with call of fa,

877
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: I mean LOGI one with I think he went first, Yes,

878
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 2: Jordan went third, sample lamboy with second. Y'all had Hall

879
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: of famers, the eighty five draft Karmelone, Patrick Ewing and

880
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 2: Chris Mullins, Charles Oakley, Joe Dumars, eighty seven David Robinson,

881
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: Reggie Miller, Scotty Miller, Scottie Pippin, Hardest, Mark Jackson, Muggsy Bowl,

882
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: ninety sixth draft, Kobe Ray, Allen, Steve Nash, Allen, Ivericks

883
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: Alon Everson's, Stefan Marrer, Deak Fisher, and obviously the two

884
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: thousand and three draft, Lebron d Wade, Chris Bosh, mellow

885
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: All Hall of Famer. What's the best draft? Well, I

886
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: don't know if you can say who's the best draft?

887
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: You know, I get an example why I say that,

888
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Dan Marino during the conversation of

889
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: the greatest quarterbacks ever and Pat Mahomes only ascending. Yeah,

890
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: those guys ain't never gonna be knitter record books in

891
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: five to ten years, and there are some of the

892
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: best ever to do it.

893
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: The games have.

894
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: Changed, the rules have changed, doesn't make better or worse,

895
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: it's just different. Should we consider that when we're talking

896
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: about greatness because of the rule change in footballer, I

897
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: think you have to, like, I don't care who think

898
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: about this. There's probably gonna be ten quarterbacks in the

899
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: next five years. It's gonna shatter all the records, and

900
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: they're gonna be one third the player Tom Brady, Joe Montana,

901
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: Dan Marino, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning. Those guys are gonna

902
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: be They probably won't think about it in ten fifteen years.

903
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: No, probably won't even be that long.

904
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: They won't even be in the top ten yardages and

905
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 2: touchdown passes because the rules have changed, and it's obviously

906
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: just now number one. They're gonna pass it more a

907
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 2: lot more. But also defensive are handicap right now. Also,

908
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: so all the players you mentioned are great, great, great,

909
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: But it is just a lot easier to play basketball

910
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: because I tell people, Michael, I played well.

911
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: You played them boys from the Pistons.

912
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: We used always say call your family, telling me love

913
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: them and goodbye, because there was a chance you wasn't

914
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 2: gonna make it out.

915
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: They were trying to hurt people.

916
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: They had six guys who used their files. You know,

917
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: it's so crazy that when I was watching that the

918
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: documentary or the Last Dance, some of those files will

919
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: get you suspended for ten games today. Oh absolutely, yeah, yes, yeah,

920
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: there was just one Bob back then, ye, Bill Lamber.

921
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: Bill Lamber would have been out of the lead at

922
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: least thirty games. At least he was delivered with Heyes,

923
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: ain't the same thing with Mahorn, John Sally, Dennis Rodman.

924
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: I mean, think about you and you go back and

925
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: uh because Lambert, all the guys, so.

926
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: The rules have changed. They're not like I say.

927
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: I don't ever say things are better, but all these

928
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: guys are great. And I was blessed to play in

929
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: the generation because the two most important figures in NBA

930
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: history of magic Johnson Larry Berg. If it wasn't for

931
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: those two guys, and race has something to do with that, Yes,

932
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: Reece has something to do with that.

933
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: Drew line.

934
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: But it's still the best thing that ever happened to

935
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: the NBA. It is because before the end, the average

936
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: salary then was two hundred thousand dollars when Magic and

937
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: Bird came in confirms it was too.

938
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: Black, two thuggish, too drug infest and we were tape delayed.

939
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: People don't realize that.

940
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: They don't even know that NBA Finals was don tape

941
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: the lake and Seanne, you got one game a week

942
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: on say you did?

943
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: I remember, you got one game a week.

944
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: On Sunday and people, now you can go. You can

945
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: watch the game seven days a week. We own all

946
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: the game, all the games. I said, no, you don't

947
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: understand this, And like I said, it was a long

948
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: time ago.

949
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: But think about it.

950
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: The finals were take were tape the league and that

951
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: was only one game on Sunday, and the average salary

952
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: was two hundred thousand dollars. The average salary now is

953
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: ten million dollars. We got what's gonna be crazy. We

954
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: got three NBA players, I think three or four are

955
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: making sixty million dollars a year. In the next five years,

956
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna have guys making seventy eighty nine. First, it's

957
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: gonna be crazy eighty a year, jump eighty a year

958
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: to play basketball. And what's crazy shallow? That's how old

959
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: I am. I remember vividly me Doc Moses Barbie Johns

960
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: Andrew Tony that we're in the locker room one day

961
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 2: and it broke the magic. Johnson had been the first

962
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: NBA player to make a million dollars. We were walking

963
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 2: around high five in each other. We could not believe,

964
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: we could not believe that an NBA player made a

965
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: million dollars.

966
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and.

967
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: I'm with Doc and Moses now, who are all time greats.

968
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: They're high five of each other. They're like, we can't

969
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: believe an NBA player making a million dollars. That's how

970
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: that's how crazy it was thinking about money back in

971
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: the day. Wow It says it was reported that you

972
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: didn't want to go to Philly so bad that in

973
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 2: a forty eight hours span, you ate two Denny Grand

974
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 2: Slam breakfasts, six pancakes. Bacon told him about sixteen hundred calories,

975
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 2: a vanilla milkshake, Kentucky fried chicken, bucket, mashed potatoes, coleslaw,

976
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: half the menu at Red Lobster, two McDonalds fish bilades,

977
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: large fries.

978
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: I don't know why to hear you ate had a

979
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: died coach to wash it down.

980
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: Two takes of save barbecue sandwich is a t bow steak,

981
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 2: baked potato, three desserts. Repeated it for the next day

982
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: game twenty pounds also while drinking.

983
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: What the hell you could kill yourself. You could have

984
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: went to a pool Tooma.

985
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 2: I could have been poor too. No, so you know

986
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: they had a really hard cap, right. So I'm with

987
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: my agent, so I you know, you do your visits. Yeah,

988
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: the owner of the seventy six, it says, put me

989
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: on the scale. I'm wearhing about two ninety five. This

990
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: is about a month before the draft. He says, you know,

991
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: we're concerned about your weight. I said, well, well, I'm

992
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: gonna get in shape, I think. But whatever, blah blah blah.

993
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: He said, we want you to weigh We want you

994
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: to lose ten pounds. We want you to come in

995
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 2: the day to draft, stopping Philly on your way to

996
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: New York for the draft.

997
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: So I go train for a month down in the Houston.

998
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: I think at the time I'm weighing about two eighty two,

999
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: two eighty three somewhere in there. I don't know if

1000
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 2: that's gonna happen in the month. No, I got down.

1001
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: It was only like twelve pounds. Oh, he wanted you

1002
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: to get the two.

1003
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: Eighty okay, yes, okay, he says, we want you to

1004
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: get to eighty five.

1005
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 2: So I go down to Houston train for a month

1006
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: and I'm like, too, eighty two, and we get on

1007
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: the scale. He says, Now, truck, we have a problem.

1008
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: That's what's the problem. He says, Well, the sixers are

1009
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: over there at the cap. They can only give you

1010
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: a one year deal for seventy five thousand dollars. I said,

1011
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: I didn't leave college for five thousand dollars. Are y'all crazy?

1012
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: He says, Well, I don't know what to tell you.

1013
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: He says, sixers want to take you. I said, I

1014
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: don't want to. I said, I didn't leave college for

1015
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 2: one year for seventy five thousand.

1016
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: What if I get hurt.

1017
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: I'm trying to take care of my family, set my

1018
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: family up for financial for life. He says, well, if

1019
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 2: the sixth draft, you're going to sign a one year

1020
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: deal for seventy five thousand. I said, what can we do?

1021
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: He says, well, we're stopping in Philly on the way

1022
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: to New York.

1023
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: Man. We went right to Dennis. I got a grand slam.

1024
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: I counseled workouts for the next two days, I got

1025
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 2: me a grand Slam.

1026
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: We went out.

1027
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: I got me some shakes, went to a big steakhouse

1028
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 2: the night before, got me the big t bone, got

1029
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: me some fries, got me a big old.

1030
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: Piece of cake. Did the same thing. The next day.

1031
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: I get back to Philly. We stopped. I'm two ninety eight.

1032
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: The owner team called me, walked up, walked up. Me

1033
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: and my ages look at each other like, thank god,

1034
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: we dodged a bullet. And if you go back and

1035
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: look at my face and out of the draft and

1036
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 2: that sweet burging the shot, I might add. Man when

1037
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: they said with the number five pick, the sev seventy

1038
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: sixth select Charles Barkley, the look on my face, I'm

1039
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: in shock, and I'm thinking, damn, I left college with

1040
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: seventy five thousand dollars. I got to be the biggest

1041
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: fool in the world. And so we go down the

1042
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: Philly and he says, you know, go to the summer League.

1043
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: And I said, well, I got no choice. So I

1044
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 2: go to the Summer League and I started just whipping

1045
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: I do. I was like, I got this. And he says, Okay,

1046
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: we're gonna trade some players because we're not gonna make

1047
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: you sign a one year deal, and they traded Franklin

1048
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: at work and I think Mark ivor RONI and my

1049
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: first year, my first deal was four years, two million dollars.

1050
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 2: You was on the court when Doc and Larry got

1051
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: into it. What calls that man? First of all, I

1052
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: hate the NBA for that reason. They owe me five

1053
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. I'm still pissed to this day because the

1054
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: one thing I would never do, this hole a guy

1055
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: for another guy to hit him.

1056
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: And I've been mad.

1057
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 2: I'm still Madress Day yawed me five thousand dollars out

1058
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: of Severn. So Larbrary was a great trash talker and

1059
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 2: he's like, Charles, y'all better get this old man off me,

1060
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, And he's just roasting Doc. He's like,

1061
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 2: and this is doc last year. I think he was right.

1062
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 2: It was last year of the year before he's killing

1063
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: Doc and he's like, Chuck, I'm telling you for the

1064
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: last time, you better get over here because I'm gonna

1065
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: kill this old man. And it goes on up and

1066
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: down and he Larry's just killing him and Doc had

1067
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: just had enough and I just had them. They come

1068
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: together and I just kind of grabbed Larry. I'm not

1069
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: even looking at Doc when I went back and looked

1070
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: at the tape, Doctor nailing his eyes.

1071
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: I was just trying to pull guys apart. Yeah, but

1072
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, you can't fight.

1073
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 2: You can't grab one unless somebody, hey, you grab him.

1074
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: I grabbed Larry because I didn't want him hitting Doc.

1075
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: But ain't nobody grabbed Doc.

1076
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but but you just said something.

1077
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: If I grabbed Doc and Larry started pummling, I ain't.

1078
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 2: I can't go back to Philly, right, I can't.

1079
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: Go back to Philly.

1080
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 2: So I grabbed Larry to stop him from hitting Doc,

1081
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 2: and Doc welling away. But it started because Doc was

1082
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: like Larry's like, yo, man, y'all better get and he's

1083
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 2: screaming it too. Everybody here, y'all better get this old

1084
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: man off me. I'm gonna kill him out here. Larry's wanted,

1085
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 2: I tell you. Lara Brary was one of the best

1086
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: trash talkers ever. So one of my teammates, Leon Wood

1087
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 2: was great. He's an NBA official now. So we in

1088
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: the room getting ready for the three point contest at

1089
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 2: an All Star game. Larry walks in says, which one

1090
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: of y'all gonna come in second place. Y'all heard me,

1091
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 2: which one of y'all gonna come in second place? Like damn,

1092
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 2: that was like my first real talk to him. Oh

1093
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: that sounded pretty aggressive. He won though he won. I

1094
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: mean he was he was. He was one of the

1095
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: best at trash talking. Man. When he came in there

1096
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 2: and said that you could have heard a pan drop,

1097
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: everybody's all excited and everythingybody, yeah, we get Larry Walker

1098
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: and said, which one y'all gonna come in the same

1099
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 2: place second place?

1100
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: You could have heard a pan drop?

1101
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: You probably played when you look at the era in

1102
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 2: which you played Magic Bird, kareem Ya, Michael Elijahuan Patrick Robinson.

1103
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that era like?

1104
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: Because that was that that era made it possible for

1105
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: this era. And I don't know if this era gives

1106
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: that era enough credit, and maybe that era doesn't give

1107
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: this era enough credit. Well, that's a great question. We

1108
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 2: should always give credit to the guys who came before us, always,

1109
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: because if it won for those guys, nobody will be

1110
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: y'all making this money. Because y'all were born at the

1111
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: right time. You're not better than Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson,

1112
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: Larry Birdy, Kareem, Bill Russell. You're not better than those guys.

1113
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, let me push back those guys,

1114
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: but I'm saying average. If you look at the teams now,

1115
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: guys are more skilled. You have more guys that can

1116
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: shoot the equivalent of Reggie and Larry Yes on a team.

1117
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: Just to be appreciative of that was that generation. Okay,

1118
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: I got number of love for these young guys because

1119
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 2: number one, they're great, yes, but they should always have

1120
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: great appreciation for the older guys because those guys did

1121
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: all the heavy lifting.

1122
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of like being black.

1123
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I have so much love for older

1124
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: black people, absolutely, because I don't know what it's like

1125
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: for people to spray me with a water holes the dog,

1126
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: the dog, or tell me we're taping this.

1127
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: In the four seasons, we couldn't have been here.

1128
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 2: They said, take your black up to the Motel six

1129
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: and do this interview, like if you can't. Every time

1130
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: I meet an older black person again, example, one of

1131
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: my mentor was Jill Morgan. Okay, he called his dad

1132
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: one day. He said, Dad, we're gonna meet Jackie Robinson tomorrow.

1133
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: He said, what do I say, he says, just tell

1134
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: him thank you. And I think every time I meet

1135
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: an older black person, I want to say thank you

1136
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: because y'all did all the heavy lifting. Y'all did all

1137
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: the heavy lifting what they had to do. I can't

1138
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: and and I can't even imagine, like I can go

1139
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: to any restaurant I want to.

1140
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: I can say in a hotel, I want to.

1141
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it's like when people say, well,

1142
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: you can't stay here, you or good to the back

1143
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: of the bus, the bus or the movie theaters. I'm

1144
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: old enough to remember the movie The Black set up top. Yeah,

1145
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: you couldn't sit down load. I'm old enough. I do

1146
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: remember that. And that's and and so that's and so

1147
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: the analogy of every basketball player today just say, yo, man,

1148
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: I want to thank you.

1149
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: Not even me because I made a good living.

1150
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: But every time I made an older guy, I was like, yo, man,

1151
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: thank you for what you did for me. But every

1152
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 2: time I meet Magic and Bird, I tell them guys, man,

1153
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: thank y'all, because because in sports there are a lot

1154
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: of great players, but there's only a few guys who.

1155
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: Moved to Needlem.

1156
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: Correct Like in golf there are a lot of great

1157
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: players today, but Jack Nicholas, n A Palmer, Gary player,

1158
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: Phil Mickens.

1159
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: And Tiger Woods.

1160
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 2: Those guys took the sport to a whole nother level.

1161
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 2: And like, there are a lot of great players, but

1162
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: very few players are like, Oh, I got to watch

1163
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 2: that guy on television. We gonna we need to do

1164
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: the TV deal because of that guy. And all you

1165
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: want from any generation is number one to leave it better.

1166
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: Correct.

1167
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: Like, I'm disappointed in these guys today with this low management.

1168
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: I said, yo, man, first of all, we're not teachers,

1169
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 2: we're not nurses, we're not in the service.

1170
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: People who work like hard every day.

1171
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we play a stupid basketball game for three or

1172
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: four days a week. You're not gonna play more than

1173
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: three or four days a week. You're gonna make thirty

1174
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: forty million, sixty million. I'm pretty sure the nurse don't

1175
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: want to go to work sometime. You gave low manage.

1176
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: You can't.

1177
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure teachers can't load manage. I says, man,

1178
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: just play basketball. You got the best shoes. Can you

1179
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 2: imagine Bill Russell playing in those canvas shoes? Taylor Chuck

1180
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: Taylor's can.

1181
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: You imagine can you imagine no support.

1182
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: No support, and they played every game for three thousand

1183
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: dollars a year.

1184
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: You can't just like, of course you're sore. I'm pretty

1185
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: sure doctors and nurse is are sore.

1186
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: But man, just to be appreciative, how lucky and blessed

1187
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: we are to do something stupid and make a gazillion dollars.

1188
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: How different would your career have been if you weren't

1189
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: drafted and played in the era of Michael Jordan? Do

1190
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: you want a title? That's a great question. I don't know,

1191
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: but I'm glad I played in his era because number one,

1192
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 2: you want to play in a great player, the greatest

1193
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: or you know, it's a debate between him and Lebron.

1194
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 2: Some people still think, Kareem, you want to play in

1195
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: that because number one, what Michael did. Going back to

1196
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 2: what we were talking about, how respect for the oldest generation.

1197
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: If it wasn't for Michael, we wouldn't I wouldn't make

1198
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 2: millions of dollars from Nike a year, right, Lebron Kobe

1199
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't make millions of dollars from Nike a year. If

1200
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 2: it went to Michael Jordan, we all wouldn't have commercials.

1201
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: People act like athletes always did commercials.

1202
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: No. Number one.

1203
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: None of us had a shoe deal until Michael. None

1204
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: of us shot commercials until Michael. So whether you want

1205
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 2: to debate who's the greatest, that guy is the reason

1206
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: we make That's the reason I think about this. And

1207
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: when I was in it was really fun in that

1208
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 2: movie Air because I mean, I'm technically in the movie

1209
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 2: because me and Michael in the same generations, his mom

1210
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: and dad having the foreth thoughts to say he gonna

1211
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 2: get a piece of a shoe, and then Matt Damon

1212
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: who plays son and says, well, we don't do.

1213
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: It like that. Miss Jordan said, yeah, we do it

1214
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: like that.

1215
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: And because of that, I made millions of dollars from Nike,

1216
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 2: just from and also from my significant shoe.

1217
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: So I lost to Michael Jordan.

1218
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: It would have been great and the only thing I

1219
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: ever felt bad about, trying to be honest, I couldn't

1220
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: win the seventy six or not the seven six, the

1221
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 2: signs a championship because in Philly they had one, in

1222
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: Houston they had one. I have always felt bad that

1223
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to bring a championship.

1224
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: Defeatis because that's my home they gave me. When I

1225
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 1: got traded there, my life just changed.

1226
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: Dramatically, because, man, all I wanted was some help, because

1227
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: when you're a great player, man, it's hard to go

1228
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: out there, you know. Because there's a couple of things

1229
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 2: that happened to me that really because I was getting

1230
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 2: so depressed in Philly, because I was saying to myself, Damn,

1231
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: I suck as a basketball player. I says we never well,

1232
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: says we get beat in the first round every year.

1233
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I know I'm great, but our team

1234
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: wasn't very good. But because I'm like, hell, man, and

1235
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 2: I'm having my private moments and I'm talking to my friends,

1236
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, am I not good at basketball?

1237
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: I think I'm great? Blah blah blah.

1238
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: And then when they called me for the Dream Team,

1239
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: I was like, Damn, I am pretty good.

1240
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I am good to thank you, thank you.

1241
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: And then when I got traded to Phoenix, they gave

1242
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: me Dan Marley and Kevin Johnson.

1243
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: And Mark West, those guys.

1244
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, because when I got there that first day,

1245
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: I said, guys, I think I'm the best basketball player

1246
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: in the world. We're gonna play the Bulls for the championship.

1247
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan just has some more help. I'm just as

1248
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 2: good as him. They look at me like I'm crazy.

1249
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: They're like what I said, I think I'm the best

1250
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: basketball player in the world. Y'all gonna find out right now,

1251
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 2: because we're gonna go out here and start kicking somebody, right.

1252
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: I told them at the first day, and there was

1253
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 2: a turning point in the season, and I know Michael, well,

1254
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 2: we got off to a good start. We play the

1255
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 2: Bulls and he just kick out and I was saying

1256
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 2: to myself, he know we're gonna play them in the finals.

1257
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 2: He wanted to send us a message. So after the game,

1258
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 2: I told him, I said, guys, we got to get better.

1259
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: That guy sent me a message tonight and I didn't

1260
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 2: like the message, but I received it. Yeah, I received it.

1261
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: And then we went on like a twelve thirteen game

1262
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 2: winning streak, finished with the best record of the NBA,

1263
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: get to the finals, and I said, I get the

1264
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: chance to prove my point. And I'll tell you that's

1265
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 2: the first time in my life I felt like I said, damn,

1266
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 2: that guy's better at basketball than me. Because I had

1267
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 2: my chance to showdown at the OK Corral, and.

1268
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: So no I was.

1269
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 2: It was an honor, same thing I say, but Bird

1270
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 2: in Magic Kareem, it was just a great time. This

1271
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is

1272
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 2: also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast

1273
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: platform you just listened to. Part going on Just simply

1274
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 2: go back to club profile and I'll see you there.