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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Quest Love Supreme. I'm your

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Speaker 2: host Quest Love. Yo, it's a hot summer. It's hot, man,

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Speaker 2: that's talking.

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Speaker 3: Take I know that. Fonte and why are not in

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Speaker 3: New York City right now?

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Speaker 4: Yo?

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Speaker 5: It's hot everywhere, y'all. I just love DC. It's hot.

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Speaker 5: I'm in LA. It's hot.

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Speaker 6: It's just it's just wet, hot, hot hot.

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Speaker 3: See.

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Speaker 2: I'm on hiatus right now, so you know, if I'm

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Speaker 2: at work, then it's always sixty seven degrees, so I

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Speaker 2: always have a sweater on. But you know, this is

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Speaker 2: one of the rare times in which I'm not under

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Speaker 2: freezing conditions.

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Speaker 3: Sugar Seed? Are you? Are you an uber driver right now?

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Speaker 3: Sugar Steve, what are you doing?

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Speaker 4: I'm in a limousine heading to power lunch.

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Speaker 7: Uh time?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 8: And I was telling Neo and about this earlier before

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Speaker 8: the interview started.

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Speaker 7: I can't dispose.

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Speaker 8: It's a very big thing, very big thing happening.

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Speaker 3: And so you're basically going to see Elvis scot Stella right, oh, ship,

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Speaker 3: it's bigger than that.

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Speaker 2: Whenever he gets a secret of it, it's always Elvis

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Speaker 2: Scots Stella, I met I met one of your comrades

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Speaker 2: on the play this morning.

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Speaker 3: He kept waking me up out of my sleep. Who

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Speaker 3: was that?

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Speaker 8: Jeffrey Miller is a great, great trombone player.

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Speaker 9: So he's on one of our records on JMI Recordings

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Speaker 9: dot Com check it out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He he woke me up twice, once to tell me

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Speaker 2: that he records to you.

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Speaker 3: Uh. The second time he woke me up out of

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Speaker 3: my sleep to share a.

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Speaker 2: Joke with me about carrying his uh, his plunger, his

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Speaker 2: toileble plungers that he uses for his sex for his

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Speaker 2: uh trom boones. Well, you know you could have You

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Speaker 2: could have bumped into worse friends of mine.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, y'all we're here today.

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Speaker 2: I will say that our guests probably doesn't need I

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Speaker 2: won't say I will say that he doesn't need an introduction.

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Speaker 7: But he's one of my favorite bridge writers. Bridges, Yo,

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Speaker 7: you're now rare bridges and undefeated.

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Speaker 2: Our guest is indeed, he's a three time Grammy Award

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Speaker 2: winning singer, songwriter, producer, actor, collaborated with the best of them,

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Speaker 2: from Jiga to Beyonce, to Pitbull, to Rihanna and to

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Speaker 2: Kanye the Fabulous.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the list goes on and on and on

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Speaker 3: and on and on and on and on.

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Speaker 2: Uh. He's released seventh albums and his eighth, which is

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Speaker 2: entitled Self Explanatory, will be out by this recording in July.

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Speaker 3: I believe the platforms Yes July fifteenth eight track as well.

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Speaker 2: Here three platinum albums. Prolific songwriter and producer and entertainer. Yo,

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Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for the one

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Speaker 2: and only, the one, Neil, the one.

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Speaker 3: What's loves to pree? What's up? Brother? How you doing?

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Speaker 8: That was a hell of an introduction. I needed done

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Speaker 8: like that from now on.

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Speaker 2: Hey man, every every hero needs is its theme music

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Speaker 2: and his own fanfare.

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Speaker 8: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 7: Greeting brother.

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Speaker 2: So for our listeners who can't see you right now, Yes,

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Speaker 2: you're in a house that looks like it's nothing but

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Speaker 2: art deco lights.

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Speaker 8: Like, yeah, I'm at home currently. This This is my

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Speaker 8: recording studio that I'm currently And I tell people all

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Speaker 8: the time that they be like, so what do you

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Speaker 8: do with your spare time? What do you do when

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Speaker 8: you're not doing music? I'm like music, That's that's that's

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Speaker 8: pretty much. I do this because I love it, man.

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Speaker 8: And with that being said, I couldn't have a house

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Speaker 8: without a studio and it had to happen, so I

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Speaker 7: I love it same as I'm in my mind.

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Speaker 3: That's dope, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say, fante you you got

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Speaker 2: your your blue light on as well.

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Speaker 7: I feel like I had to keep the vibe going.

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Speaker 8: Got to.

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Speaker 3: Where where are you from? Where were you born?

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Speaker 8: Was born in Camden, Arkansas? Yes, deep deep deep South.

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Speaker 8: Don't feel bad if you don't know where Camden is.

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Speaker 8: No one knows where Camden people people from Arkansas don't

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Speaker 5: Always thought it was vague, the Nevada, That's what I

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Speaker 10: Why did the majority of my growing up in Vegas?

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Speaker 8: Like I went to high school in Vegas, whole nine,

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Speaker 8: Like all of that happened in Vegas. My dad was

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Speaker 8: a truck drive.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's a cool that's a cool job.

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Speaker 6: You rode in the back of the camp He had

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Speaker 6: one of those cats with the beds in the back

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Speaker 6: and everything like.

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Speaker 10: With the reason he wasn't ever because he was driving

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Speaker 10: trucks and doing other stuff.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, do.

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Speaker 2: You have any siblings. Your parents are they musically inclined?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 8: My, everybody in my family does something in regard to

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Speaker 8: you music. Did playing an instrument or singing or rapping.

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Speaker 7: Or with whatever what happened?

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Speaker 8: Everybody does something like my mom used to sing, my

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Speaker 8: dad plays bas he sings, My sister sings ridiculously. She's

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Speaker 8: she's a she's an alien.

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Speaker 10: Well I have I have two two sisters and a brother.

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Speaker 8: One one sister sister and one one half sister and

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Speaker 8: half brother. You know, Papa was a bit of a

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Speaker 8: rolling stone.

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Speaker 10: We passed no judgments. It is what it is.

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Speaker 8: But but yeah, yeah, closest closest to my my main

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Speaker 8: I don't know if I call it my main sister.

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Speaker 8: How does that work? The sister that I share a

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Speaker 8: mother and father with that that system where the where

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Speaker 8: the we're the closest. You know.

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Speaker 3: No, I have that situation too, So.

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Speaker 8: You know, I go no disrespect to my to my

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Speaker 8: they they moved around and did their own thing, and

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Speaker 8: it is what it is. But but yeah, I grew

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Speaker 8: up in Las Vegas under a very very musically inclined mother.

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Speaker 8: She did everything the music, every sing the thing you

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Speaker 8: can think of being cleaning up the house to watching

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Speaker 10: So yeah, it was just always there, right, just all there.

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Speaker 3: What was your first musical memory.

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Speaker 10: First musical memory sitting in this sitting in the living

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Speaker 10: room in front of the stereo, crying and not understanding

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Speaker 10: why as I was listening to Billy Ocean's sudden.

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Speaker 3: Steve that is.

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Speaker 5: An eighties baby. That is an eighties baby.

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Speaker 8: Right though.

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Speaker 2: I know I know, Steve, he is hitting your he's

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Speaker 2: sitting your groove right now.

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Speaker 5: Has no meaning to me.

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Speaker 4: Suddenly, No life has new meaning.

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Speaker 5: Mean, that's what I meant. That's what I said.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't suicidal, His life has new meaning.

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Speaker 6: You know I always fuck it up a mirror. You're right,

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Speaker 6: I fed it up.

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Speaker 8: Wow, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's actually dope to hear it, because oftentimes

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Speaker 2: I think people were rather shame that. I think that's

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Speaker 2: the purpose of music is to either document a time period,

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Speaker 2: like music to me is always like a musical polar

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Speaker 2: y because it helps me remember what year it was,

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Speaker 2: like oh yeah, like whenever I hear, you know, ironic

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Speaker 2: by Lance Marsette, I'm forever gonna remember, like, oh, my

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Speaker 2: first car accident. You know, I'm just giving an example,

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Speaker 2: but I'm just saying that music does that. What do

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Speaker 2: you think it was about that song that touched you?

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Speaker 10: You know what?

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Speaker 8: To be completely honest with your man, I might have

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Speaker 8: there when this happened, but even now as a forty

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Speaker 8: melodies that just gets you.

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 8: It's just I think it was just I think that

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Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying that hitting a certain chord

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Speaker 8: could like I put goosebumps on your arm type thing,

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Speaker 8: you know what I mean. Like I didn't in mind

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Speaker 8: But but thinking back now, it's like that's that had

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Speaker 8: what he was talking about him from five, I don't

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Speaker 8: know what I'm talking about, but the music, the way

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Speaker 2: Again, And I have to ask in light of what

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Speaker 2: what I what I lovingly d up as the versus

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Speaker 2: Comedy Hour.

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Speaker 3: Hey, bruh, you going there?

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Speaker 5: I didn't know. I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not about gotcha journalism, not about putting the next

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Speaker 3: But are you rather perplexed? And the thing is, I

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Speaker 2: I just believe that the particular music I like, I

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Speaker 2: have to search, like very very far and wide for it,

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Speaker 2: like I have to search for it. But for you,

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Speaker 2: are you kind of perplexed at what what passes for

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Speaker 3: The fact that.

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Speaker 2: That type of melody might not necessarily be exposed to

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Speaker 3: It once was. Mm hmm uh.

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Speaker 7: That that's a beautiful question.

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Speaker 8: And I have to say I definitely share in and

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Speaker 8: where you are with that?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 8: Now? Mind you, I've I've put myself in a place

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Speaker 8: where if I'm going to be a part of this industry,

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Speaker 8: I have to find a way to.

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Speaker 10: Like a little bit of everything, you know, maybe not

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Speaker 10: love it.

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Speaker 8: I probably I wouldn't turn around in my car, But

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Speaker 8: if it's on, I'm not gonna sit here and bad

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Speaker 8: mouth it or sit here and not have a good time,

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Speaker 8: because then not playing a kind of music that I

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Speaker 8: want to hear quote unquote.

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Speaker 3: Do you still listen to the radio?

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Speaker 8: Not as often as I once did. Uh nah, not really.

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Speaker 8: Normally I'll go on you know, one of the streaming

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Speaker 8: streaming joints or whatever and pull up what it is

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Speaker 8: I'm looking for it. That's that's that's easier for me

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Speaker 8: than then sitting and trying to tolerate some of the

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Speaker 8: things that because I mean, I'm I'm I'm from that

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Speaker 8: It was the intricacy of that that three part harmony,

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Speaker 8: like that place and and and that's just you said it.

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Speaker 8: You said it in my intro bridges Like nobody writes

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Speaker 8: bridges anymore. It's like people like people ain't got time

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Speaker 8: for it to be good no more?

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Speaker 10: Like which like what are we all rushing towards?

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Speaker 8: Songs are like a minute long? Now, Like where are

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Speaker 5: I mean they fast?

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Speaker 9: My son, my son, he has a I don't know

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Speaker 9: if you're up on her. She put out an album

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Speaker 9: I think it was last year, ten songs, eighteen minutes.

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Speaker 3: That's like fantastic Volume one.

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Speaker 7: And this is the whole album.

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Speaker 9: Yeah up, but he this my sixteen year my youngest son.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, that's that's kind of where the young is.

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Speaker 3: That's what it is.

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Speaker 8: I'm really I'm really curious as to why that is, Like,

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Speaker 10: The story of it, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 10: The song is ten minutes long Luther Vandrus.

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Speaker 7: Okay long ago as Superstar.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a ten minute song, and it feels like

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Speaker 7: But it's about.

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Speaker 8: The beginning, middle, and end of a story. I used

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Speaker 8: to listen to music for that. Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 9: Yeah, now, bro, I think we got like it's the

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Speaker 8: You know, from a business and commerce standpoint, that's that's

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Speaker 8: that's smart at hell. Music art is not supposed to

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Speaker 8: But that means that my song is played on the radio.

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Speaker 8: Now damn all right, Well here we are, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: I learned that lesson with I think really with the

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Speaker 2: Like back when it was red hot, I would that

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Speaker 3: And I looked at the thing and.

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Speaker 2: It was like two minutes and twenty seven seconds, and

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Speaker 2: I really whoa like I had to play it twice.

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Speaker 2: I meant the Billy Ray Cyrus thing stretches it a.

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Speaker 7: Little bit to like, yeah, a.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen seconds, but yeah, man, it's it's also maybe that

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Speaker 3: I won't say that doesn't much to say.

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Speaker 5: They do have the language. They have the words.

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Speaker 10: It's like mean culture, yeah, statement, next statement.

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Speaker 5: But they also have new words that we didn't have before.

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Speaker 6: Where we used to be taken forever to say a

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Speaker 6: that shit didn't exist. You a whole sentence about what

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Speaker 8: Trump, the lingo is gonna change with the times, as

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Speaker 8: you know, as long as it's young people, it's alway gonna.

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Speaker 7: Be do lingo.

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Speaker 8: I ain't mad at that part. Yes, I just wish

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Speaker 8: that I wish that everybody would just slow the hell down.

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Speaker 8: I feel like, you know what I felt why music

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Speaker 8: it good. No more like everybody is, as you said,

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Speaker 8: everybody trying to get their streaming numbers up. And it's

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Speaker 8: like listen. We'll worry about quality later. Right now, it's

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Speaker 8: just let's just get it out there. We can get

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Speaker 8: these numbers up. That sucks. I just I just hate

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Speaker 8: that we in this place now.

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Speaker 5: Man, I really, it's not all young people.

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Speaker 6: That's not that's not everybody understand because there is a

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Speaker 6: now that are we discovering neo soul and all of

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Speaker 6: that and making it new against I mean, you know,

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Speaker 10: There's always exceptions, you know.

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Speaker 8: The mass is the mass situation right now is you know,

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Speaker 10: What do you have to do? You ain't got trying

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Speaker 10: to listen to some good music.

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Speaker 8: I don't get it.

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Speaker 6: I don't get I used to tell people on the radio, listen,

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Speaker 6: if you want to find good music, it's not going

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Speaker 5: You're gonna have to go find it.

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Speaker 6: And I'm on the radio telling you that the good

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Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like this shows now turning

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Speaker 8: There's there's one other element of this that I feel

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Speaker 8: I am not anywhere near good enough to say that

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Speaker 7: I'm good enough to tap around and find what I need.

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Speaker 8: Right, But I recall a time where music was kind

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Speaker 10: Like now, anybody can do it.

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Speaker 8: Anybody can do it. It's it's the door, it's the

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Speaker 8: That's where we're at now. So of course, if you

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Speaker 7: That the quality is gonna suffer.

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Speaker 8: There was a point in time where the quality was

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Speaker 8: Taking nothing from anybody today, I'm not saying the names.

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Speaker 8: I'm not doing that for my bashing. I'm just saying

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Speaker 8: like DJ. You remember when you had to like learn

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Speaker 10: You push your button and you got and you're done.

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Speaker 10: You're done. You push your button.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I think those tools are just gonna have

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Speaker 9: if you have the records, you can give me a

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Speaker 9: mirror's hard drive right now, and I wouldn't know what

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Speaker 9: you still have to know how.

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Speaker 7: To play the records. You know, there's just still skills,

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Speaker 9: But with now, with technology, in many ways good and bad,

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Speaker 8: Well. No, it's the same thing with with like bro

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Speaker 8: with with with auto tune for example, Yeah, you got

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Speaker 10: I understand it.

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Speaker 8: There's a technique to it, but you can't deny that

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Speaker 8: back day, before the buttons came, you had to be

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. You had to be good.

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Speaker 8: You had to be that dude a little bit like

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: That's that's why we're kind of seeing what we're seeing

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Speaker 5: You know that means the bottom is going to fall out, right,

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Speaker 8: The bottom fell out, or God willing, somebody comes along

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the first album that you purchased with

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Speaker 8: The first album I purchased with my own money, surprisingly

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Speaker 8: Far Sides Wild Was it the Wild Ride? It was

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Speaker 10: Yes, the first one? Yeah, huge, huge far side fan Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, see you're thirteen, okay.

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Speaker 8: Easily something like that.

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Speaker 3: Wow, you know what's where? Uh?

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Speaker 2: That album was a hard sell for me in the

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Speaker 3: It was cool, But.

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Speaker 5: Was it the remix that turned you around? Or was

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Speaker 5: it just no?

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Speaker 3: When I heard for Better for Worse?

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Speaker 6: Ah yeah, oh damn y'all, alright, all right, when I

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Speaker 2: And well, you know, like when Richard Nichols and AJ

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Speaker 2: the album cover Worse. But when I heard those Fender roads,

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Speaker 2: this guy living in my house named Scott Storch. And

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Speaker 2: I'm just realizing I didn't realize that you were the

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Speaker 2: that was just Scott and Cam.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, shout out to my man, Cam. No, that was me.

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Speaker 10: Yes, I was absolutely there for that.

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Speaker 5: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Man, Yo, man, I've known Cam like I've known Cam

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Speaker 2: since I k known Scott since they were like yay Hi,

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Speaker 2: I thought Cam wrote those lyrics.

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Speaker 6: Yo.

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Speaker 8: I was like no, no, no, no, We definitely we

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Speaker 8: definitely went back and forth on that. That was.

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Speaker 10: That was my first time ever.

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Speaker 8: Working with Cam and it was I just remember it

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Speaker 8: this much, you know, and all of that stuff gets

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Speaker 8: was tripping off of who got what percentage, Nobody was

449
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,639
Speaker 8: was trying to do more than they did. Like it

450
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 8: was just a love situation, you know what I'm saying.

451
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,480
Speaker 8: Shout out to them, man, man, Shout out to Camp,

452
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 8: Shout out to Scott Storge. That's to a large degree,

453
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 8: that's where my career started because that was the song

454
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 8: that that finally got me the attention. You know what

455
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 8: I'm saying. For a long time, I was I was

456
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 8: dub the little nigga that wrote the Mario song. That

457
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 8: was that was my name.

458
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 3: Can you talk about the process of you discovering your voice?

459
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 8: So, yeah, my sister was born with with just she

460
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 8: she came out to womb High Sea like just in

461
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 8: there easy. It takes her, takes nothing. I'd work for

462
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 8: my a little bit. You know, I knew I could,

463
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 8: I could hold the note. I wasn't tone death, but

464
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 8: I wasn't.

465
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 7: I wasn't.

466
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 8: I wasn't my sister, you know what I mean. And

467
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 8: and in our house, you know, the standard became my sister.

468
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 8: So and so you know, I felt a few not

469
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 8: just below that. So it took a little minute for

470
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 8: me to just really really get comfortable with my voice.

471
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 8: A lot of Michael Jackson, a lot of Stevie Wonder,

472
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. Moms actually put me on

473
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 8: to both of these gentlemen, uh, and it helped me

474
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 8: get more more comfortable with just how my voice sounded.

475
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 10: I used to really not like the sound of my voice.

476
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 8: Because from what I couldn't do what my sister could

477
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 8: do technically she had the ad libs.

478
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 10: And all of that stuff right.

479
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 8: And then my mom was like my hero, and she

480
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 8: used to listen to a lot of like, you know,

481
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 8: husky voiced singers, the Ojys and your Teddy P's and

482
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,479
Speaker 8: you take them all that, and I didn't have that,

483
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. So I didn't like I

484
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 8: didn't really like singing at first. And then she introduced

485
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 8: me to uh, to Michael Jackson's Off the Wall, not thriller,

486
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 8: Off the Wall.

487
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

488
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 10: She introduced me to songs in the kid life.

489
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 8: She introduced me to to what they just how they

490
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 8: were doing, what they were doing with their voices, and

491
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 8: they helped me become more comfortable with my own because

492
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 8: there was a similar tambre there, kind of that nasally

493
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 8: high thing, you know what I mean, And it just

494
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 8: helped me get more comfortable with it, but not comfortable

495
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 8: enough to sing for people. It was at the height

496
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 8: of what I was doing. I'm in the tenth grade,

497
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 8: and if ever I'm upset about something, mad at something,

498
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 8: whatever the case may be, I got a little red

499
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 8: notebook under my bed.

500
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 7: I pull that joint out I'll write a quick.

501
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 8: Song, sing it to myself, throw a note up back

502
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 8: under the bed, and gone by my business. Like my

503
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 8: friends didn't know for a long long time. I didn't

504
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 8: because it wasn't for them, it was it was for me.

505
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 8: It was therapy for me, you know what I mean.

506
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 8: So I went to a performing arts high school for

507
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 8: visual designers, a drawing paint and whatnot. And every year

508
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 8: this high school, Las Vegas Academy for Theater, Performing and

509
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 8: Visual Arts, every year they would do something called pop Concert.

510
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 8: And this was primarily for the dancers and the choir

511
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 8: majors and you know the.

512
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 7: Techie guys that do the lights and all of that.

513
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 8: It was like a like a like a super glorified

514
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 8: talent show. Think you know they got smoke machines and

515
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 8: the biggest thing going on it.

516
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

517
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, So of course this is a major deal to

518
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 8: the whole school. Everybody except the art majors. We were

519
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 8: kind of left out of that.

520
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 10: They ain't really there weren't really nothing for us to do.

521
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 8: You make your back drop now we find we got

522
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 8: lights the right couls. So we were kind of like

523
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 8: the grassy old kids, like they wasn't wasn't nobody studding

524
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 8: us because the whole the rest of the school is.

525
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 10: On pop concert pop, console, popcorns.

526
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 8: These kids crying in the cafeteria over choreography, you this

527
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 8: fucking six.

528
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 3: Like so it sounds like someone I know.

529
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 8: So this particularly year, me and me and the grassy

530
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 8: old kids, we decided, you know what, we're gonna do

531
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 8: something to just to just kind of take the piss

532
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 8: out this whole situation, right, so.

533
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 10: We pulled straws. Of course, I pulled the short straw.

534
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 8: The plan was to somehow get into the talent show,

535
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 8: because you had audition to get into the talent show.

536
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 8: So that was the hard part, get into the talent show.

537
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 8: And then once you got on stage, turn around moon

538
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 8: the crowd run off like that was that was what

539
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 8: we were gonna do. That was our plan.

540
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 7: I pulled the.

541
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 8: Short This is a plan. It was. It was kind

542
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 8: of like just a big fuck you to everything that

543
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 8: y'all making such a big dollar. No one's getting signed

544
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 8: from this, this this this talent show.

545
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 10: Guys, calm down, And that was always saying that to everybody.

546
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 6: Okay, so how you gonna get on stage?

547
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 3: You aren't majors were always assholes.

548
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 7: Man, I'm sorry, completely on purpose.

549
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 8: We thrived on being an asshole. We did it on purpose.

550
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 8: But okay. So so I go to the choir the

551
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 8: choir room to audition. I sang boysmen, end of the row. Uh.

552
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 8: The choir major instantly asked me, why are you not

553
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 8: in my class? Because I'm not a singer. He was like,

554
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 8: yes you are whatever, Yeah, you in?

555
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 7: All right?

556
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 8: Cool? Bye, gone, all right, I got in. How'd you

557
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 8: get in? Don't worry about I got in? All right, cool,

558
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 8: get there. It's the day of everybody's excited. All my

559
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 8: own boys are sitting in the front. I don't know

560
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 8: how the hell they manage that, because it was just

561
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 8: something that you had to get tickets to. But we

562
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 8: found our way in, damn it. We always the grassy

563
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 8: old kids always find a way. Anyways, it's my turn

564
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 8: to go up. They introduced me, show your love for

565
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 8: Schaeffer Smith that's my real name, Shafford Schmithson. I walk

566
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 8: out on stage to no applause, because, mind you, the

567
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 8: kids at this school know me as the little dude

568
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 8: with the braids that will draw you a picture if

569
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 8: you give them ten dollars. Right, this is who I

570
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 8: was at this. So the music starts and I, I

571
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 8: can't make this up. The music starts and I look

572
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 8: up at the crowd, and all of a sudden, nobody's there.

573
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 8: Everybody's gone. I don't know it just it's just in

574
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 8: my in my head, everybody's gone. The crowd is gone.

575
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 8: All I can hear is the song. So I just

576
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 8: start singing. I sang the whole song, set said to

577
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 8: one place, eyes closed, sang the whole song, A libs

578
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 8: and all all of that, all of that song and

579
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 8: no applause.

580
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 10: All of a sudden, it was like a I can't it.

581
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 7: Was slow clap to us, to the roar.

582
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 10: Because it was it was it was like, where the

583
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 10: hell did this come again?

584
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: They were shock the nigga with the braves.

585
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 8: That'll draw you a picture for ten dollars. This is

586
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 8: who I was all of a sudden, you know what

587
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 8: I'm saying. So so that at that moment, suddenly, you know,

588
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 8: the following days it's girls saying hi in the hall

589
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 8: and ship that that. I knew all of that. You know,

590
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 8: A buddy of mine, hey, me and some friends, we

591
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 8: had a singing group going up. You want to join

592
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 8: the group. Uh yeah, sure, all right. And then once

593
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 8: I got into the group and met you know, some

594
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 8: like minded gentlemen that wanted to do the same thing.

595
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 8: We sent around creating three four part harmonies and whatnot.

596
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 8: That's when it That's when it was finally like I

597
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 8: could I could do this for a living, like I

598
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 8: could really, Yeah, I could, I could do this.

599
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 5: So you just left the grass, you old people like

600
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 5: you just rode out on him like.

601
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 10: Friends and friends.

602
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 8: And we was always at but you know, it's it's

603
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 8: at the same time I'm in the I'm spending a

604
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 8: little bit more time in the choir room and.

605
00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: The little bits ask this question, your class.

606
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 8: Of ninety eight, nineteen ninety eight.

607
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: So that said, did you go back to your twenty

608
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: three reunion in twenty eighteen?

609
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 8: Say yes, I did? I did.

610
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 3: Did you stunt on them?

611
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 8: I don't. I'm not. I'm not a stunter. If that

612
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 8: my flex is real light. It's like, you know what

613
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 8: I'm saying, I'm gonna put this ship on, but not

614
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 8: say I put this shit on. I'm gonna just wait

615
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 8: for you to notice that I got that ship on,

616
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 8: like you know, that's me. That's me, you know, I'm

617
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 8: not gonna draw attention to the diamonds, but should you

618
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 8: see them?

619
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 7: Goddamn you know what?

620
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 8: That's me right imply everlyam So you know I went

621
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 8: and mind you the most famous people that was myself.

622
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 8: Apparently the drummer from the group The Killers went to

623
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 8: the same high school as me. Yeah, Vega and.

624
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 5: Seven o two, right and seven o two.

625
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 10: Seven o two seven oh two on their way out

626
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 10: as I was on my way here.

627
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 5: Okay, I just knew, y'all.

628
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 7: Okay, I just knew.

629
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, but uh, she's an actress, beautiful chocolate actress. She

630
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 8: was on the True Blood show Routina. Yes, we went

631
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 8: to we went to school together. Yeah, man, yes, old,

632
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 8: I mean routine.

633
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 5: You're not old. But you know what I'm saying, Queen Sugar.

634
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 8: Wow, man, listen, nowadays it is a blessing to ghettols.

635
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 8: I ain't even trip hell yeah you So.

636
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: The thing is you're saying that your gift of journaling

637
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: or writing poetry was sort of your your stress reliever.

638
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: You're that you let off steam. Did anyone ever hire

639
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: your services as like, uh, you know, quasi here no

640
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: divergiac as right, write.

641
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 8: Me something all the time, Yes, all the time. Yeah,

642
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 8: I used to do a lot of that for football players.

643
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 8: That's the football player at our school, because there was

644
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 8: no football at our school, but Rancho was down the street.

645
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 8: And yeah, I know a lot of them guys. Yeah,

646
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 8: I'll write write poems. Then they getting their girlfriends or yeah, listen, but.

647
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 6: Okay, ten dollars and dollars dollar got you, I'll let

648
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 6: you say, you go for it, ten bucks.

649
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 7: I'll never went hungry.

650
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: I would like to know what your process was then

651
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: as opposed to now, as far as.

652
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: Writing with the song.

653
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: Are you a person that can get an idea of

654
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: just words without melody or knowing what type of song

655
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: it is, or you know, do you have to sit

656
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: and listen to the song or how different is your

657
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: songwriting process high school, post high school versus what you

658
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: do for a living now.

659
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 8: I can honestly say that when it was, you know,

660
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 8: back in high school, before before the stakes got high,

661
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 8: you know, so to speak, there was a there was

662
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 8: a freedom to my writing that that dwindled over time,

663
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 8: you know, as as I got into that place where

664
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 8: it's like, all right, you've had success, now you got

665
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 8: to do it again. And so now you're overthinking every

666
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 8: fucking thing you do because it's like, oh, isn't as

667
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 8: good as that thing. Before that, it was kind of

668
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 8: just writing whatever came to mind, and it was no

669
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 8: wrong way, you know. Sometimes it was it was a

670
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 8: cadence that came to me, no melody, just no words,

671
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 8: just a cadence now whatever the case. And then sometimes

672
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 8: it was words I used to so I used to

673
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 8: uh my training, so to speak.

674
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 10: But if you want to call it that, I would

675
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 10: just go.

676
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 8: Somewhere and look around the room, find a word, a phrase,

677
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 8: a picture of something, create a story around it, and

678
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 8: then write a song based on that story, just to

679
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 8: just to sharpen, you know, just to sharpen the tube.

680
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 8: So it could be it could be a word, It

681
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 8: could be you know, somebody sitting with guitar and we

682
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 8: sit and create melodies that way, and the words over the melodies.

683
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 8: Like there's no wrong way as long as it got

684
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 8: to that that thing you feel when you know, like, yeah,

685
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 8: that thing, you know what I mean.

686
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: I want to thank you for validating me.

687
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, thank you for.

688
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: Validating me right now. No, because you know.

689
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: I wrote a book on creativity and I was trying

690
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: to give various exercises. Well, the first thing I told

691
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: people is that they have to embrace boredom more because

692
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: when you're silent, when you're bored, when you're still, that's

693
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: when the ideas come to you. And you know, I

694
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: was just suggesting games that you could do, like brand exercises,

695
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: where you know, I think Carly Simon used to randomly

696
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: open a National geographic page and look at one sentence

697
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: and then base a whole song on that. And so

698
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: to hear you say that, yes, I'm glad that you

699
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: validated me, because I don't consider myself a songwriter, but

700
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: I figured that for writing, that's a great exercise to do.

701
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah. I mean it's because if you don't,

702
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 8: your songs tend to become stagnant, you know what I mean,

703
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 8: Like there's there's the okay, there's let's write about love,

704
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 8: Let's write about sex, Let's write about money, let's write

705
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 8: about girls. These four things are always gonna, you know,

706
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 8: flow to the top for the for the younger generation,

707
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 8: that's just kind of is what it is to be young.

708
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 7: I get it.

709
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 8: But if you just focus on those four things, then

710
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 8: all of a sudden, your songs kind of start sounding alike.

711
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 8: It's like, all right, well, well you need you need

712
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 8: new ways to say the same ship, if that makes

713
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 8: any sense. And the only way to do that is

714
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 8: to step outside your comfort zone to find a word

715
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 8: that it's actually difficult write a song about graphight what

716
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 8: but how?

717
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 7: Hold on?

718
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 8: How? What? What?

719
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 7: How do you sing?

720
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 6: Yeah?

721
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 7: Because because you can rap, but singing something.

722
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 10: Step away from from I love you, so never let

723
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 10: me go, you know what I mean?

724
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 8: Like, step away from that and figure out another way

725
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 8: to say to to get that same that same point across,

726
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 8: but with different words and different phrases and different melodies

727
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 8: like I used to I still do.

728
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 7: I can't lock into one.

729
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 8: Specific genre of music because you know, if it's if

730
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 8: it's hip hop, is these these three melodies that every

731
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 8: hip hop artist is using, right, So that's a very

732
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 8: small bowl. If it's R and B, you know, it's

733
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 8: these chords, it's the church chords. It's that type of vibe.

734
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 7: Okay, that's cool.

735
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 10: Step outside of that.

736
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 8: Listen to some country music, listen to them melodies over there,

737
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 8: step outside. I listened to some some some Hindi music

738
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 8: or whatever, just melodies that you wouldn't typically go to too,

739
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 8: and it helps just expand your your your library of sound.

740
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying.

741
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 8: When you sit down and do it, you got more

742
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 8: ship to play with as opposed to I love you

743
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 8: so never let me go. And you know the latest

744
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 8: church song made over with R and B lyrics on it.

745
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to ask, what are your tabooed no

746
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: no in songwriting?

747
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: Like, okay, I hate your on my mind all the time.

748
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: Maybe you on my mind. I think about you all

749
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 3: the time, right.

750
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, those those hurt those hurts song.

751
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 8: It's just so come on, man, like you ain't even

752
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 8: tried you you phoned you phoned it in the death

753
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 8: like that's yeah, I hate that. I hate the phone

754
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 8: in lyric, not nothing mind you, the phone in lyric,

755
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 8: not the simple lyric, because you can say it simply

756
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 8: and it's still be clever, it's still have have you know,

757
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 8: a little kick to it.

758
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 3: Smokey Robinson's the king of.

759
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 8: That, the king of I'm gonna just say it, but

760
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 8: I'm the.

761
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: King of simplicity.

762
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's but but still but still fly, oh

763
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 8: like simple but fly, not just simple for the sake

764
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 8: of simple. Like I used to have an issue with

765
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 8: the whole concept of repeating one word over and over

766
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 8: and over and over and over and over and over.

767
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 8: It used to it used to bug me, cause it's like,

768
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 8: why there's so many words. There's so many words?

769
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: You mean rhyming, rhyming words with words, or you mean

770
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: like my my my, my, my my mom, like just

771
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 2: saying one word baby.

772
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 8: This is why. That is why I have the utmost

773
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 8: respect for the Dream, because the Dream found a way

774
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 8: to do that ship and it don't bug you. I

775
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 8: don't know how, but it don't. But hey, you know

776
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 8: what I'm saying. It works for him. Shout out to

777
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 8: the Dream. How the hell you do that, bro, because

778
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 8: I'll be trying that. It's like, nah, it's crumble, No,

779
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 8: this ain't.

780
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 10: It, This is not it.

781
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: Of your contemporaries, who are the you know, the people

782
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: that you respect the most, and who are your I

783
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: guess you could say you're I'm about to say Mount

784
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: Saint Helen's uh before president?

785
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? Who?

786
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 8: Who?

787
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: Who's the Mount Rushmore of of songwriters? For you?

788
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 8: Of songwriters? See, that's that's that's an interesting question. I've

789
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 8: actually never been asked that question before. It's always who's

790
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 8: just your mount rushmore like a favor like so, so

791
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 8: if for that question, the question you didn't answer, you

792
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 8: didn't ask, well.

793
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me reask instead of who do

794
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: you respect now? Who writes a song today that you're like, Damn,

795
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: I wish I wrote that?

796
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 10: Like?

797
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: Is there a song that's like man, I wish I

798
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: had a crack at that?

799
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 8: Like Damn, I've I've I've heard one or two Drake

800
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 8: records where the lyric was clever enough to where I'm like, oh,

801
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 8: I did not think of that. That was that was good?

802
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 8: That was good? Yeah, that hurt I've heard.

803
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 10: I've heard one of two records from him. Uh in

804
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 10: that space.

805
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 7: I don't know.

806
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 8: I'm gonna be real honest with you. I don't know

807
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 8: a lot of the newer newer generation and I don't

808
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 8: know their names. You know. No no disrespect or anything

809
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 8: like that, but it's just I have to be I

810
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 8: have to be enthralled in the record today and take

811
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 8: it upon myself to go back and be look be

812
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 8: look at who wrote it, who produced it. And if

813
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 8: I don't, if I don't feel like that, then I'm

814
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 8: not I'm not gonna waste the time.

815
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 10: I'll let it be what it is and keep it moving.

816
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: Are you up up?

817
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 7: Victoria Money, she's a writer. I really like her.

818
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 8: Victoria Money, I consider an artist. But yeah, she's a

819
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 8: she's a.

820
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 9: Oh she's Arianna she but she's an artist, like you know,

821
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 9: like he said.

822
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 8: But yeah, I love her music.

823
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, her music is yeah.

824
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, shout out to Victoria Money, shout out to shout

825
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 8: out to the girl her.

826
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: Who's your Mount Rushmore before you as in, that's the

827
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: level of the pending game that I would like.

828
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 8: My Mount Rushmore, ultimate Mount Rushmore, be an artist writer.

829
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 8: Hold on because all of these guys kind of embody

830
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 8: all of that five gentlemen Michael Jackson, Prince Samit Davis Junior,

831
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 8: Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye.

832
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 5: Said that list like five. Yes, that's a nice.

833
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 8: Group in Vegas. A group in Vegas. There is the

834
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 8: rat Pack. I was I. I fell in love with

835
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 8: the rat Pack. My mom brought it home and of

836
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 8: course I gravitated. It's the same because he was the

837
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 8: one that looked like me. So yeah, man, that's what

838
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 8: it was.

839
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: If you're in a run, what's the process of you

840
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: dealing with it? Do you have other hobbies or other

841
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: other things that you get into. Like sometimes if I

842
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: I'm a great example is whatever the movie or I

843
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: write a book, or I do something else creative, and

844
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: that'll make me miss music. So do you have like

845
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: another pivot that you go to if you're ever in

846
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: a trap of not being able to finish the song?

847
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 8: I think I think the key word is pivot because

848
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 8: you kind of have to pivot because if you don't,

849
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 8: you sit there and force it until paralysis. Yeah, exactly that. So,

850
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 8: so the thing for me has always been a step

851
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 8: away from it, you know, as hard as that may

852
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 8: be sometimes because you know that that whole defeated thing

853
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 8: starts setting in. It's like damn, I let the song

854
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 8: beat me. No, you're not defeated. It's not done. Relax,

855
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 8: you can come back. I'll step away and not normally

856
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 8: for me, I'll you know, play street fighter. I'm a

857
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 8: I'm an absolute beast that street fighter. Challenge me anyone

858
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 8: who's your people, don't need nobody, your body, nobody me?

859
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 8: Or are you on dragging dragon for you? So I'll

860
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 8: do that or you know, uh, remember the practice I

861
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 8: was telling you about where I just look around the

862
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 8: room and find another word and just just something, something

863
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 8: to get the wheels turning again.

864
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 7: That's all I really need.

865
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 8: And that's and that normally helps. That normally helps.

866
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 3: See, that's that's how I play word.

867
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: So I guess I should sort of channel on to

868
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 2: actually writing lyrics because I actually I treat my word

869
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: o game like I'm writing a song. I should have

870
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: been writing songs by this point.

871
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 8: Tell not as hard as people make it.

872
00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: What's the average time that you'll spend writing the song?

873
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 7: Like?

874
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: How fast does it come to you?

875
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 7: I like that?

876
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: So what song? To get the longest the right? Yeah,

877
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: to get the longest the right.

878
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 8: So when I first started getting attention, so to speak,

879
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 8: I used to prove myself on how fast I could

880
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 8: write a song. That's kind of where my name. That's

881
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 8: kind of where the name Neo came from. Dion Evans,

882
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 8: the Evans main Recipees. He gave me the name because

883
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 8: he like, we'll talk, give me an hour. I could

884
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 8: give you seventeen records. Now, mind seventeen records. I didn't

885
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 8: say seventeen smashes, right, right, say seventeen seventeen records, you know,

886
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 8: other seventeen you might three of them joints might be something,

887
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 8: but seventeen records now, So now it's definitely more of

888
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 8: a quality versus quantity thing. Whereas in that same hour

889
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 8: that where I could get where I gave you seventeen,

890
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 8: I'd take that hour to give you two, but it'd

891
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 8: be two smashes, you know what I mean, two that

892
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 8: I know, two that I know are going to hit

893
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 8: the mark because I've just been there with Yeah, because

894
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 8: I took the time to make sure that I was

895
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 8: doing what is exactly what I what happened up here.

896
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 8: That's always been the hardest part for me, because I

897
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 8: can hear it done up here already.

898
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 10: I just need to get it out of here and

899
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 10: into the world.

900
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 8: And somehow through that process of that transition from my

901
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 8: mind to the world, shit changes and things happen, and

902
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 8: all of a sudden, it don't.

903
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 7: Sound like it sounded in my head no more.

904
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 8: And now it's like, ah, shit, I felt right, step away,

905
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 8: be somebody on the street fighter, Ah, come back, fix

906
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 8: the problem.

907
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 5: That sound like fine?

908
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 4: Tap process now yeah, now you have to walk over.

909
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 7: That's not straight up for real.

910
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 9: I want to ask you man specifically about your work

911
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 9: with Stargate because I have like really great chemistry together.

912
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 9: And I remember we've met on a few occasions, but

913
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 9: I remember this was probably like god, this is like

914
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 9: oh seven oh six, but your first album in my

915
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 9: own words, had just dropped and we was in Atlanta

916
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 9: and it was a drama.

917
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 7: Drama was having a party if I feel like it was.

918
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: It was drama.

919
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 7: But anyway, some part in Atlanta and I saw you.

920
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 9: I was like, oh man, it's Neo and you were

921
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 9: like in there. I was surprised that you even there,

922
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 9: you like had to had all you like super chill.

923
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 9: I was like, oh wow, like you were like super

924
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 9: quiet enough, and I just walked Abu. I was like, yo, man,

925
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 9: Sexy loves the join.

926
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 7: Off new record, And he was like, Yo, appreciate it.

927
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 9: You know what I mean, but but I love that

928
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 9: song man, and you and Stargate like y'all have chemistry, man,

929
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 9: Like talk about that process of working with them, what

930
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 9: it's like.

931
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 8: Well, firstly, I was I was so chill that night

932
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 8: because I was I was shipping on myself in my

933
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 8: soul inside because I'm like, oh my god, it's this it's.

934
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 7: People in here.

935
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 8: I know that person.

936
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 7: I know that person too.

937
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 8: I just calm down, relax, three two four. In my mind,

938
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 8: this is what happened in my mind. Outside it's like, yeah,

939
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 8: I've been there, Oh no I was, I was, I

940
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 8: was losing it. But Stargate, the beauty of Stargate is

941
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 8: how genuinely humble and just kind of I hate to

942
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 8: use the term regular because it's there's nothing regular about

943
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 8: their level of talent. But they're just ordinary people. Like

944
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 8: you'll never see these cats with the big dumb jewelry.

945
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 8: You'll never hear yeah Stargate at the top of the joint.

946
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 8: They don't do that. They let the music speak for itself.

947
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 8: These cats have figured out simplicity. It's like they came

948
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 8: along right on time where it was like, you know, again,

949
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 8: no direspect to anybody, but we got to that place

950
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 8: where the producer is a celebrity to now right. So

951
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 8: you you so enthralled and making sure that everybody know

952
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 8: that this is you, and you do so much to

953
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 8: the track that you ain't leave a room for the song.

954
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 8: Now where does the song fit over all of this beautiful,

955
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 8: amazing shit that you done done on this track? Here

956
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 8: comes Stargate with listen, We're gonna give you a skeleton

957
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 8: and let you put the meat on. We're gonna let

958
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 8: you let the song create the body because that's what

959
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 8: because technically that's kind of what it's supposed to be.

960
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 8: It's a marriage between the two. You know what I'm saying.

961
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 8: It's the foundation that's holding up the structure, that's holding

962
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 8: up the structure.

963
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 10: And that's what they do to the point where you know,

964
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 10: they'll give me like so sick.

965
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 8: For example, was that that harp and a drum and

966
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 8: that was it and that's what I wrote to And

967
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 8: then later on they went back and put the chords

968
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 8: and like filded up. You know what I'm saying, sexy love,

969
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 8: same way, doom doom, doom, doom doom that and uh,

970
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 8: that's it. Wrote the song. They go in later and

971
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 8: put into the bells and whistles later on because it

972
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 8: could to make to make the track meld to the song,

973
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. No, it's like it's like

974
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 8: cat's what Cat's ain't doing that. It's like, no, I

975
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 8: got to make sure eybody know this my track. I

976
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 8: did this damn that song. Yeah whatever the song, I

977
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 8: did it, all right.

978
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 7: They're sweedish if.

979
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 8: There from Norway brothers from Rueigian Mothers.

980
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 10: Yes, which kind of again speaks to your point quest.

981
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 8: It's it's different over there because there's a there's a

982
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 8: different level of respect for the craft over there. Like

983
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 8: these cats that they will sit on that piano, they

984
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 8: will get on that guitar, they will get on their drums,

985
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 8: they playing everything, you know what I'm saying, and and

986
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 8: it's it's it's fun for them. It's like the fringe

987
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 8: benefit of it is that you make money, but that

988
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 8: ain't why you're doing it. You're doing it because, like you,

989
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 8: when we finished So Sick, Bro, we sent the studio

990
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 8: listen to that ship ninety times that night, just on

991
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 8: some yo yo yo, like just just joy, you know

992
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 8: what I'm saying like that, and then comes out and

993
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 8: does well, and it's like, all right, cool. But in

994
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 8: that moment, honestly, even if the song come out and

995
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 8: not done well, just what we felt when we finished

996
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 8: that joint was like that, that was it. That's what

997
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 8: you do it for, not the not the screaming your name,

998
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 8: and not the money of it. Those are those are

999
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 8: all fringe benefit. Those should be fringe benefit based on

1000
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 8: the fact that you did something from your soul and

1001
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 8: the world agreed with you. That's how that's supposed to work,

1002
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 8: not the other way around.

1003
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: I would like you to talk about, uh the Left

1004
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: Eye Show.

1005
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 10: All the cuts. Yeah, so the cut that was that

1006
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 10: was me.

1007
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 8: And remember the guys told you right after that that

1008
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 8: situation with the with the talent show that a friend

1009
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 8: of mine was like, hey, at the singing group. I

1010
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 8: won't know if you wanted to say that was the.

1011
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 7: Group that was us.

1012
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 10: Uh we caught ourselves envy.

1013
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 8: Because we were from Nevada. Yeah, yeah, it was.

1014
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 10: I went into it, but but not a lot.

1015
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 8: Yeah. The cut was after Apollo. We did Apollo, Amateur Night,

1016
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 8: Apollow and things did not go to plan. I'll say

1017
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 8: that what you're saying, uh, well, I mean, well, I

1018
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 8: put it this way. Samman didn't come out Okay, he

1019
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 8: was double he was double dutchy in the corner though

1020
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 8: he was ready.

1021
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 5: What did what did you sing? What did you say?

1022
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 8: We sang? We sang Players in the Hood by Donelle Jones,

1023
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 8: And to this day, every time I see Donnelle Jones,

1024
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 8: I apologize to that man for murdering his song the

1025
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 8: way we did on that stage. It was it was Yeah,

1026
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 8: it was not good. It was not good. But we

1027
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 8: was young and we was cute and there was a

1028
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 8: lot of girls in the audience, so they kept us alive.

1029
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 8: But it had not been for that. He was he

1030
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 8: was in the corner like, am I going?

1031
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 7: Am I going?

1032
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 8: Man? It was bad?

1033
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 7: It was bad.

1034
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 8: So you after that.

1035
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: Walk Wait, you gotta walk me through the process? What

1036
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 3: is it to do?

1037
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: Like everything, even to the house band, like, what is

1038
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: the process when you do uh show time?

1039
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 10: So so basically you you you send them at the.

1040
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 8: Time, you send them, You send them a tape of

1041
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 8: what you do and they say, yeah, we'd love to

1042
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 8: have you. Uh come on down. Mind you. They don't

1043
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 8: pay for you to get there. They just if you

1044
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 8: can make it, come on follow. So you get down there.

1045
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 8: Now what's supposed to happen is you're supposed to come

1046
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 8: down a day early so that you can rehearse your

1047
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 8: song with rap You and the Cruise who it was

1048
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 8: at the time when we was a shout out to

1049
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 8: my man, rape you. I do not blame you, bro.

1050
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 8: That was us. That was our fault. We didn't do that.

1051
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 8: We showed up the day of the show with a

1052
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 8: tape because we thought that they was gonna let us

1053
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 8: play our music off our tape, and it was like, no,

1054
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 8: singers have to use the band. We haven't rehearsed with

1055
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 8: the band. Well while were y'all not here yesterday. Anyway,

1056
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 8: it turns out Rache and the crew didn't even know

1057
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 8: the damn song at the time. They had no idea

1058
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 8: what the song was, so they had to learn the

1059
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 8: song and then had to learn how we wanted to

1060
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 8: come out to the song.

1061
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 10: It was, Yeah, it was. It was completely messed up.

1062
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: Oh many lessons learned, so many Lets you've chosen another

1063
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: song in hindsight, Oh no.

1064
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 8: No, no, that that had to happen. That had to happen.

1065
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 8: It had to happen exactly the way it did. We

1066
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 8: needed to be knocked down a couple of pigs because

1067
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 8: we we had We had done all that could be

1068
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 8: done in Vegas. We did every talent show one you

1069
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. We did all that and we

1070
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 8: just we went in there like I should didn't think

1071
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 8: like we really literally walked into place needed that. Oh yeah, yeah,

1072
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 8: oh oh yeah yeah this Vegas.

1073
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 7: Yeah we do that.

1074
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, when ill you after we got off that

1075
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 8: stage and got back to the back. We all ran

1076
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 8: in the bathroom and just stood around and staired at

1077
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 8: each other for like fifteen seconds and all bust out

1078
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 8: crying at the same time.

1079
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 5: It was bad.

1080
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 8: Yeah. So after the Apollo, we was like, man, we

1081
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 8: gotta redeem ourself. We got so you know, uh, shout

1082
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 8: out to my man Corey. Corey was like our manager.

1083
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 8: He was a part of the group, but he was

1084
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 8: the manager. He was the one that was you know,

1085
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 8: he was the one that wasn't afraid to talk to people.

1086
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 8: You know, we ran up on Diddy one time. Hey

1087
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 8: let us sing for you.

1088
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 7: That's Corey.

1089
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 8: But Corey was also the one that could never be

1090
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 8: on time for anything. He was like, hey, did he

1091
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 8: told us be there by eight twelve? Oo shower type situation?

1092
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 6: Now?

1093
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 8: Was that was Corey?

1094
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 5: Where is.

1095
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 8: I don't know where Corey is currently still probably shout

1096
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 8: that after my man Corey Clark, we got to the

1097
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 8: cut uh two days earl right, because he was like,

1098
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 8: is there a band we need to rehearse with it?

1099
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 8: After that, it was like no, no, no, no, no, no, y'all

1100
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 8: got y'all got tape of your music? Yeah, okay, cool?

1101
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 8: We can use to take? Why are we used to take?

1102
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 8: We went in with an original song that we were

1103
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 8: written called pillow Talk.

1104
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 10: I think we did okay. It wasn't terrible.

1105
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 8: It wasn't great by any means, but it wasn't terrible,

1106
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 8: and we wound up losing to a girl that got

1107
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 8: on stage and got.

1108
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 10: Next to Neked and Icy gave her two more points

1109
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 10: than he gave us.

1110
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, wore to judges other cut. I couldn't remember it.

1111
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 10: No, I think it was it was it was guest judges.

1112
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 8: Everything different every every episode, so I think want to judgesus.

1113
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 8: He literally said it on the show. He was like,

1114
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 8: he was like, you know what, I wasn't really crazy

1115
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 8: about the song, but when she started stripping, I gave

1116
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 8: her a nod.

1117
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 4: Damn, Like.

1118
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 5: Damn, But everything happened for a reason.

1119
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 8: Everything happens for a reason. That was one of the

1120
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 8: last shows that we did as a group before we

1121
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 8: finally decided you know what, let's just.

1122
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,959
Speaker 3: Do you remember performing with us out in Vegas.

1123
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 10: When Jay brought me out?

1124
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 8: Was that?

1125
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? All right?

1126
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: So I literally okay, So you know, as president of

1127
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: def Jam, you know, by that point I felt comfortable

1128
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,479
Speaker 2: enough with Jada, you.

1129
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 8: Know, to.

1130
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: Rib him or you know, joke with him, like you know,

1131
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: most people just treat him like the King, like the

1132
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: good version of Ed.

1133
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 3: I mean, like they don't mix words or whatever.

1134
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: But you know, I felt like a little comfortable where

1135
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: I just call him up randomly about something and I

1136
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: would say that you were one of the artists that

1137
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: he always he always advocated for. He always fought for it,

1138
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: like he was basically trying to figure out which one

1139
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: of you guys that he wanted on the next roots record,

1140
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: you know prominently, either like Crissette or you or you know,

1141
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 2: tr like one of And so when he got word

1142
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: that you were in town, he's like, all right, keep

1143
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: your eye on him, because at that point I was

1144
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: not familiar. You know, I have my head under the

1145
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: stand when it came to like any music that you know,

1146
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: wasn't the music already had my record collection and you

1147
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 2: came out like someone owed you money, Like I didn't realize.

1148
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 5: Oh you didn't know he had it like that talk.

1149
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: And the first I wish there was a videotape because

1150
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: there's a thing, there's a thing with Jay where he

1151
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: turns around real slow like and I hate.

1152
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: When that's Smuggie.

1153
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: I told you so, look he'll give me.

1154
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: He's like.

1155
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, because it's like the cherry on top. You're like,

1156
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 6: well wait a minute, now.

1157
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 8: You was killing it.

1158
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, he's going for James

1159
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: Brown Tammy Show levels.

1160
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 8: But I knew the importance of where I was at.

1161
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 8: I'm like, let me get this straight. The roots and

1162
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 8: jay Z and me, oh, show my ass.

1163
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: All right, So you leave Envy and then what's the

1164
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: process of how do you get the attention of record labels?

1165
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 8: So I left left Envy. But in the while we

1166
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 8: were in and me again shout out to my man Corey,

1167
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 8: you know, constantly moving around trying to trying to get

1168
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 8: things in pop for us. We met this cat who

1169
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 8: had a boy band signed to Hollywood Records, you know

1170
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 8: at the time that was a Disney's with me. Yeah,

1171
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 8: a group by a group called Youngstown. They were they

1172
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 8: were never got huge, huge hues, but they did well enough.

1173
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 8: So it was like it was a concept where it

1174
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 8: was like, write some songs from my group and I'll

1175
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 8: try and I'll help y'all get y'all, help y'all get signed.

1176
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 8: Type of situation. So you know, we wrote the songs,

1177
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 8: was what it was like at this time. I know

1178
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 8: nothing of publishing. I know nothing of any of that.

1179
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 8: I'm just like, we're.

1180
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 7: Gonna get it.

1181
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 10: We're gonna get a deal. Yeah yeah, write a song.

1182
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 8: Whatever. So after I broke up, after the group broke up,

1183
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 8: I basically started being managed by that guy is now

1184
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 8: his name, his names Dubbs. Everybody called him Dubbs, Dubbs Wilson,

1185
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 8: and he was the one that was kind of moving

1186
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 8: moving me around, you know, showing me the different people.

1187
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 8: I was living with. This cat by the name of Paul.

1188
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 8: Paul the producer. He did uh Teacher Moses' first album.

1189
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yes.

1190
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I actually met we actually met Teacher. I

1191
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 8: met Teacher through that whole situation. I vocal both vocal producing,

1192
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 8: and arranged that whole first album.

1193
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 7: I didn't I didn't write.

1194
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 10: I didn't know she wrote. She did all the writing herself.

1195
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 7: I was, I was. I was infatuated with record himself.

1196
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 8: I'll just come in and you know, through harmonies here

1197
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 8: and that type.

1198
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 5: Okay, Still, that's dope, That's that's music history.

1199
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: Like, what is your patient's level with vocal producing?

1200
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 10: Because I hate it.

1201
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 8: I don't do it anymore. I say that, you see, yeah,

1202
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 8: I'm not so, so shout out to my man's sauce

1203
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 8: U Curtis Wills, and make a sauce of Fumberly of

1204
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 8: the group. Something for the people, you remember, something for

1205
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 8: the people. All right?

1206
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 10: Sauce is my vocal producer, ranger. You know what I'm saying.

1207
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 8: And so if I wrote it, he's normally the one

1208
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 8: that's gonna take it with the artists and and and

1209
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 8: get it, get it recorded properly because he has the

1210
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 8: patience for that.

1211
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 10: I do not see that's what you need, don't all right?

1212
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 2: So can I say or I won't ask for specific

1213
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 2: specific names, but you know, because it's real, Like there's

1214
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 2: certain artists that I hate working with because you got

1215
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: a Jedi mind trick them.

1216
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: You know, they don't want to do another take.

1217
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: So are there artists that you've had that situation with

1218
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: where like they catch an attitude or don't want to

1219
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: do it the way that you.

1220
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: Give you one more take? Yes, your silence is telling

1221
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: me everything I've been in.

1222
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 8: So I've been in with people that that people that

1223
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 8: you know, I've been in with people and it's like

1224
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 8: it's either it's either that or they're so antal, like, yo,

1225
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 8: did you hear the breath from the beginning of that?

1226
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 8: Let me just get that breath one more time? No one,

1227
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 8: no one hears, no just the just the on the

1228
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 8: very on the very top. Let me get that. Let

1229
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 8: me get again one more time, No, one more time,

1230
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 8: one more time for the breath. I just gotta get

1231
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 8: the breath.

1232
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: That sounds like Beyonce Rihanna Manress took an hour and

1233
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 2: thirty minutes for the breath.

1234
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 10: It's not a word.

1235
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 8: It's just a breath at the top of the word.

1236
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 8: Hour and thirty minutes.

1237
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: Wait, I gotta be I gotta ask you. Was it Beyonce?

1238
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 8: It was not?

1239
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 3: Okay, it was not Wait.

1240
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: Do you remember do you remember uh uh a bronx

1241
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: tail when they had that now you can't leave moment.

1242
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1243
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 3: I had that with her once and never again.

1244
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: Like it was about figuring out the ending of a song,

1245
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 2: and I was like, I said the wrong thing. I said, no, no,

1246
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: maybe it's too vance. It's cool, we could just do

1247
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: with the regular ending.

1248
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 8: We're good challenges and be like.

1249
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, we're gonna get this right and

1250
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: I said, well, it's lunch break now, so we can

1251
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: just come back into He says, no, we're gonna do

1252
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: it right now. I don't care if it takes three hours. Yeah,

1253
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 2: it was that now you can't leave moments.

1254
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 8: So yeah, that's the that is, That is the Beyonce

1255
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 8: that I'm familiar. But it was but when I when

1256
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 8: I worked with her, I wasn't needed, like I wasn't

1257
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 8: there for a lot of it like she she had it.

1258
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 8: I didn't have to. That was that was one of

1259
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 8: the things that made me fall in love with her

1260
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 8: even more, like I didn't have to feed her no notes.

1261
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 7: I here's the next note. I got it.

1262
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 8: Okay, all right, She's like, I went and got coffee,

1263
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 8: I came back, the song was done. Okay, Well, well

1264
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 8: what y'all got doing today? What y'all doing?

1265
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 7: Because I'm.

1266
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 6: If that's the case, then what's your what's your favorite

1267
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 6: what's your favorite song of hers that you've done? That

1268
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 6: you you come back and heard her finished product and

1269
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 6: was like, oh ship.

1270
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, thinking one that I deal with her, that I

1271
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 8: didn't fare that way about everything you did because mind

1272
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 8: you so so at this point, at this point, I

1273
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 8: know a little bit about how to sell a record, right,

1274
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 8: I know that you can't sing the record ridiculously well

1275
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 8: because you mess around scared artist offs.

1276
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 7: Right, you have to keep it.

1277
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 8: Kind of middle of the road, just just good enough.

1278
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 7: You know.

1279
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,959
Speaker 3: Oh you're talking about making the demo. You're talking about

1280
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 3: making the demo.

1281
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, yeah, I did not know. Oh yeah no.

1282
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 8: So anything that I did for anybody, I sing the

1283
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 8: demo and send it to them and they and they

1284
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 8: like it, dislike it, whatever it may be. So Beyonce,

1285
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 8: and you do it dry, you do it dry. One

1286
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 8: you know one takedown. I have melody. I have harmony

1287
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 8: ideas here and here and not in stone, but here

1288
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 8: would be a good place for a harmony. Here would

1289
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 8: be a good place. That's all that's always needed when

1290
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 8: I come back. And it's the irreplaceable that you we

1291
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 8: all know in love now, so irreplaceable flaws and all.

1292
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: You know what.

1293
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 8: I'm very I'm them on and I'm a bit yes,

1294
00:58:54,800 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 8: do do that dry? Every everything, all the all of

1295
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 8: that that's heard, that's all heard. I wrote if There's

1296
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 8: a Joint on that same album called if If You

1297
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 8: Let Him Take Me From You another where she just

1298
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 8: went Church on ship, like just yeah, I've never felt

1299
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 8: so useless in a session then a session with Beyonce,

1300
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 8: like I did not need to be there at all.

1301
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: Is there a song of yours that vocally you wish

1302
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: he could have been there in the room for it,

1303
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: just because it wasn't the way that you envisioned it.

1304
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 8: Yes, okay, yes, it just didn't do what it was

1305
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 8: supposed to do. So I love Luke James. Luke James

1306
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 8: is my guy. Luke James has one of the best

1307
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 8: voices that I've heard.

1308
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 5: In a long he do.

1309
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 8: I wrote a song for Luke James and what happened

1310
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 8: was the original the original kid of the song was

1311
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 8: way higher than he was than he sings in his

1312
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 8: regular voice, so they had to drop it down to

1313
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 8: where he sang. And if anybody knows anything about when

1314
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 8: you take a high key song and drop it down,

1315
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 8: it kind of takes a little energy and a little

1316
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 8: energy from the record. So when I heard it back,

1317
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 8: it was like, damn near three notes lower. Then I

1318
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 8: initially gave it to him, and I wasn't there when

1319
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 8: he cut it.

1320
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 7: So I'm like, as.

1321
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 8: Much as I love Luke, this is not no, this

1322
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 8: is not that's not what the song's supposed to be.

1323
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,479
Speaker 8: But by that time it was too late. The song

1324
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 8: came out didn't really do anything.

1325
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 6: We didn't.

1326
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

1327
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 10: I like the shine I did.

1328
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 7: It didn't.

1329
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, it didn't. It didn't do much of anything but

1330
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 8: taking nothing from Luke again, an amazing singer, just amazing dude.

1331
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 7: Period.

1332
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 8: That was just that was just a moment in time

1333
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 8: where it's like, Ah, if I knew that they were

1334
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 8: gonna drop it down that many, that many keys, I

1335
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 8: would have I would have just been like, nah, do

1336
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 8: let's something else. Let me let me do something that

1337
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 8: makes more sense in the realm of where you like write.

1338
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, because it just it just took. It just took

1339
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 10: all the all the energy from the record.

1340
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, it happen.

1341
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 3: Like when I first heard Champagne Life, man.

1342
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 5: I was like, yo, dog, that's the one right there, This's.

1343
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 3: Gonna be the one.

1344
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: I just wish Champagne Life was You're magnum Opus. That

1345
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: is my all time favorite song of yours, And I

1346
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: wish that ship would have because I felt it was

1347
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 2: like an anthem there ever was a black Excellence anthem.

1348
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I mean.

1349
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: I've seen it and I wish that song was just

1350
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 2: like way way bigger. Are there songs of yours that

1351
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:41,439
Speaker 2: are not your your, your out the gate hits that

1352
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 2: you you know, wish were bigger singles or that that

1353
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: jam worked.

1354
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 8: I'm not a I'm not a dictator, meaning I'm not

1355
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 8: the dude going, you know what, the hell with your opinion?

1356
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 10: Hell with your opinion? I like this song that's a single,

1357
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 10: Levan Long.

1358
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 8: I'm not that dude. Right. There's a small group of

1359
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 8: people that we all get together and we pick what

1360
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 8: song is gonna make the album, what songs gonna be singles,

1361
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, And everybody respects everybody's opinion.

1362
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 8: My managers Tango. This is one of the oddest creatures

1363
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 8: on the face of the planet because Tango don't even

1364
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 8: listen to music. Yet Tango can always one that's gonna

1365
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 8: go okay, whatever reason.

1366
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 10: But that's always knows like no, no, no.

1367
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,959
Speaker 8: The whole room would be like, hey, he's like, nah,

1368
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 8: trust me be and damn it it to b B.

1369
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 10: I'm telling you it's It's the most frustrating thing in

1370
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 10: the world.

1371
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 8: But so him, just just a small group people that

1372
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 8: I do this with which means that there's been a

1373
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 8: multitude of times wherever songs that I wanted to be

1374
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 8: singles that didn't wind up singles. Mirror from the first.

1375
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 7: Album I wanted to be a single.

1376
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 5: I wanted that to be a single.

1377
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 7: This was before depth Jen realized that I could be sexy.

1378
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 8: They didn't view me as sexy, so it was like, hey,

1379
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 8: it's all good. And you know what, at the time,

1380
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 8: I was priding myself on not being that R and

1381
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 8: B dude, you know what I mean, Like, Okay, if

1382
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 8: I can step on stage you're in a three piece

1383
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 8: suit and get the same screens that.

1384
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 7: You can with your chest out, who win it?

1385
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1386
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 8: All right? Cool? Right?

1387
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 10: So because of that, I guess they was like, you know,

1388
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 10: marror nah nah, when't work?

1389
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 8: All right?

1390
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 7: Cool U?

1391
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 8: Champagne Life, that whole that whole album, the Libra Scale

1392
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 8: album was just man, it was just so many things

1393
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 8: that went wrong, so many things that went wrong. I

1394
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 8: take I take my I take responsibility for the things

1395
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 8: that went wrong. So the Libri Scale album, which is

1396
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 8: what Champagne Life was on, when we went to when

1397
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 8: I came back from doing the Red Tales movie, and

1398
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 8: then I did another movie called Battle Los Angeles. So

1399
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 8: I so in the process of doing these movies, I'm

1400
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 8: sticking real close to the writers, real close to the directors,

1401
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 8: because like this, I want to I'm learning, Yo, I

1402
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 8: want to learn how to do this. I know I

1403
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 8: can tell a story in three minutes. I want to

1404
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 8: know how to tell a story in two hours. I

1405
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 8: do this right, I guess I'm not asking the right question.

1406
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 8: So I go back to dev Jam and I say

1407
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 8: to them, so for my fourth album, I want to

1408
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 8: do like a thirty minute maybe forty five minute little

1409
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 8: mini movie and let the album be the soundtrack to

1410
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 8: the movie. And they're like, okay, that's that's a pretty dope.

1411
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 8: I daal, okay, bring us a script. Cool. Notice, I said,

1412
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 8: thirty forty five minutes. Right, This is before I learned

1413
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 8: that in the world of screen and script writing a

1414
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 8: page it creates to a minute. I didn't know this.

1415
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 8: So whereas I told them thirty forty five minutes, I

1416
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 8: brought them a script with one hundred and forty five

1417
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 8: pages in it, and they were like, what you what

1418
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 8: we're doing? What you want us to do with this?

1419
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 8: What did this is not thirty minutes? This this hang.

1420
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 8: So I had to then take the one hundred and

1421
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 8: forty five pages and bust it down to thirty pages,

1422
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 8: which took way way long, because again I'm green to this.

1423
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 8: I know what I want to do, I just don't

1424
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 8: know how to do it. So bust it down to thirty.

1425
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 8: By that time, the clock is ticking. We ain't got

1426
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 8: time to shoot no movie. All right, you know what,

1427
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 8: Let's do this, Let's do four, let's do five long

1428
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 8: form music videos. So the video for Champagne Life, video

1429
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 8: for UH one million, the video for for Beautiful Monster.

1430
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just it.

1431
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 10: It didn't It just didn't go the way it was

1432
01:04:58,840 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 10: supposed to go.

1433
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 8: Man, it just didn't go. Households go. We got three

1434
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 8: videos in de Jen said, we can't give you no

1435
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 8: more damn money. To hell with your to be continued,

1436
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 8: We're not doing it. Champan like was all supposed to

1437
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 8: be the first single, and then we come to Beautiful Monster.

1438
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 8: But then all of a sudden, in the ninth inning,

1439
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 8: everybody switches up and goes, well, no, we think beautiful

1440
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 8: Monster should go first. And I'm like no, because I

1441
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 8: know what beautiful Monster is. Beautiful monsters chasing closer. I

1442
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 8: don't want to do that with the moment. Let that

1443
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 8: be that.

1444
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 10: Let's let's you hear this record.

1445
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 8: Let's go here. Nah nah nah you gotta you got

1446
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 8: an international fan base. Now you gotta feed your fan base?

1447
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 5: Oh international?

1448
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 3: Can I ask? Is this Jay Brown talking?

1449
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 2: Is this La Reid? Like, who's the who's at the drive?

1450
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: Who's the will uh deliver?

1451
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 8: All of them?

1452
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 3: Is?

1453
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1454
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 8: Everybody, everybody, everybody got the hand on the wheel, and

1455
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 8: this pushing him at this point, at this point, this

1456
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 8: is the fourth album, This is after you're the gentleman.

1457
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 8: So everybody's hands on at this point, right, so, right,

1458
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 8: and you're you're the gentleman there with so so now

1459
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 8: it's like all right, all right, he's proving. Let's you know,

1460
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 8: let's let's let's pay more attention than we ever had before.

1461
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 8: Almost to a fault because I did to go Beautiful

1462
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 8: Monster first. Michaero managed Beautiful Monster. Did you know what

1463
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 8: it did? It did well overseas, which we knew what

1464
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 8: was gonna do, because that's what it's for. I didn't

1465
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 8: do it over here. And then and then they put

1466
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 8: out Champagne Life, trying to pick trying to clean up

1467
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 8: behind Beautiful Monster. Because Beautiful Monster. They let it rock

1468
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 8: for a little while it wasn't picking up, so they

1469
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 8: all right, we're moving on, moving on to Champagne Life.

1470
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 8: Champagne Life comes out, it's moving, it's moving, it's moving.

1471
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 7: We want to drop another single?

1472
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 10: Why let it know?

1473
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 8: Let Why would you chop the legs off of this

1474
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 8: is going? You got a heat rock with this next one. Okay,

1475
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 8: if it's a heat rock, now it's gonna be a

1476
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 8: heat let it live. They don't want to let it live.

1477
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 8: Chop the legs off of Champagne Life with the next single,

1478
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 8: which did not do well either. Then we went we

1479
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 8: ended ended everything off with one of another, which which

1480
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 8: kind of you know, at the very least level of

1481
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 8: us out, you know, I wouldn't. I wasn't in the

1482
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 8: red after Damn Album. One of the million level was out,

1483
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 8: but it didn't it didn't do what everyone anticipated. Uh yeah,

1484
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 8: I was really really down at them at that period

1485
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 8: of time. I just remember being real sad a lot

1486
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 8: because it just.

1487
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 7: Just so many things went wrong.

1488
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:19,919
Speaker 8: I'm like, there's no way that this is just bad

1489
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 8: of an idea for all of these things to be

1490
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 8: happening like this, and then I'll never forget that year

1491
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 8: I got invited to Princess Grammy party. I mean us

1492
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 8: always used part of his house, so so you know,

1493
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 8: that was silver lining in the dark clouds. So we

1494
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 8: went to the party. I remember we're in in the

1495
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 8: pool house and there's like a like a plexiglast thing

1496
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 8: over the pools, literally standing on the pool. I thought

1497
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 8: that was cool. So he's on the little stage with

1498
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 8: his band rocking out. He sees me, puts his guitar down,

1499
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 8: b lines to me and say what comes to my

1500
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 8: ear and whispers and says.

1501
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 10: Leber Scale was a good album and don't let anybody

1502
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 10: tell you different.

1503
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 6: Wow, but Emir, this is But did you know what

1504
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 6: was with Neo? Did you know what he was whispering

1505
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 6: in everybody's ear? Sorry, this reminds me of all the

1506
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 6: stories that you told me that night.

1507
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 5: That doesn't even do.

1508
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:06,439
Speaker 10: That's kind of what he does.

1509
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 5: You know.

1510
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 8: We had one other encounter where I was I was

1511
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 8: drinking Sivaka and he leaned over to me at the

1512
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 8: party and said, God's bad for you and the party

1513
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 8: that was That was the thing that he did.

1514
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 4: Before we before you rap.

1515
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 9: I just wanted to I always want to know, uh

1516
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 9: the song time look for Sherman Showcase.

1517
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 7: About it.

1518
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 5: Let's talk about it?

1519
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah man, and that's me and my.

1520
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 7: Credit the way, do you know?

1521
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 8: Take no credit?

1522
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 5: You know?

1523
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we met.

1524
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 9: We met on set. I think the day that you

1525
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 9: that y'all take. We met because I sang the demo

1526
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 9: on that and like right right now yeah that he

1527
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 9: was like, he was like, yeah, man, you saunded just

1528
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 9: like walk to the Scotty on the joint. But but yeah,

1529
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 9: they yeah, we did that man, And I was like, Yo,

1530
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 9: this is like crazy, how I don't know who the

1531
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 9: fuck they gonna get to sing it? And then I

1532
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 9: guess maybe like a month later, Diallo shout to Diallo.

1533
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 9: He came like, yeah, man, we got Neo to do it.

1534
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 9: I was like, fuck, yeah, that's perfect. So what was

1535
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 9: it like for you? How did that song like come

1536
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 9: to you? Like what did you think?

1537
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 3: Like?

1538
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 7: What was it like on your side?

1539
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 4: Brouh.

1540
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 8: Diallo reached out and sent me, told me about the show,

1541
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 8: the Sherman Showcase Show and asked me if I wanted

1542
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 8: to be a part of it. I'm like, yeah, man,

1543
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 8: I've always want to do funny stuff. I don't never

1544
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 8: get the funny roles. It just for whatever reason, I

1545
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 8: got something funny, all right, I thought I was. I

1546
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 8: guess I'm not anybody. You killed that shit man, Well, well.

1547
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 10: Thank you tell some man the damn casting directors that

1548
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 10: I'm funny.

1549
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 7: It's like, it's funny shit. I don't never get it.

1550
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 8: I'm always always get the music rolls all right, you're

1551
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 8: a starving artist, and then me treating that's what That's

1552
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 8: what I get all the time. So he sent me

1553
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 8: the record. At first I asked, I was like, I

1554
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 8: need to write something. He was like, you can, but

1555
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 8: I have an idea, and then he sent it to him.

1556
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh, I don't need to do none of this.

1557
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 8: That joint like it was a real song, like like

1558
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 8: that's they'll realized that. Like all of us words that

1559
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 8: watched the show. We was like all them songs.

1560
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 6: We were like yo, yeah with an album word.

1561
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 4: But now I'm down to do more now that I

1562
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 4: know you down to do more?

1563
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 8: Wow?

1564
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 4: Because yeah, now that I know that, oh yeah.

1565
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 3: Can we get a Sherman show case to say what's

1566
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 3: taking on so long?

1567
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1568
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 9: But the day that well, it's I mean, you know,

1569
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 9: like everything else COVID pushes back, but the new season

1570
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 9: I believe is coming in the fall. We did the music,

1571
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 9: with all the music and all that has been done,

1572
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 9: but you know, we got pushed back from COVID, but

1573
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 9: the new season is coming.

1574
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 8: This fall though all led me I will happily revived

1575
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 8: the character.

1576
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, did that's what's up?

1577
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 5: Can I ask about self explanatory real quick?

1578
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, I just want to know because back

1579
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 6: to this conversation that we were having in the beginning

1580
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 6: of the show about music and whatnot, I'm curious to

1581
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 6: how you continue in the legacy on this album and

1582
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 6: while still keeping it fresh.

1583
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 10: Okay, So so this album I started decidum in twenty eighteen,

1584
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 10: and then you know, of course COVID, pandemic, quarantine and

1585
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 10: all of that stuff hit and just threw a monkey

1586
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 10: rinch and everybody's situation that happens. So a good half

1587
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 10: of this album I had, I wound up having to

1588
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 10: kind of do over, you know, because it's like, are

1589
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 10: you work with a producer in twenty eighteen you do

1590
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 10: a song as all r Yeah, it's for the album.

1591
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 10: You didn't pay him yet, and then and y'all ain't

1592
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 10: spoke and then you call him in twenty twenty two

1593
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 10: and he's like.

1594
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 8: What, oh, bro, so are you like that happens like that?

1595
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 8: So good? So so we had we had to reduce

1596
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 8: some stuff. But overall this album is it's definitely me

1597
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 8: as me. I mean I called itself explanatory because I

1598
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 8: feel like I've been here damn in twenty years. You

1599
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 8: really need an explanation to a Neil record at twin

1600
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 8: Not really, not.

1601
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 10: Really, not really you understand what it is.

1602
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 8: But on top of that, this is this is me

1603
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 8: acknowledging what's going on right now. I can never become it.

1604
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 8: I'm forty two, let alone. I can never become it.

1605
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 8: But I could acknowledge it, you know, I can acknowledge it.

1606
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 8: I can acknowledge the parts of it that I dig,

1607
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 8: you know, so so Uh there's one song in particular,

1608
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 8: so actually the first song on the on the album,

1609
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 8: uh Cat from the Newer Generation.

1610
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 10: His name is a France If you ever heard the

1611
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 10: name before, look him up.

1612
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 8: Yeah he got some. He got some to the point

1613
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 8: where I let him feature on the album. The name

1614
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 8: of the Join is landlowd is is quality the record,

1615
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 8: but it doesn't sound like typical Neo, it's more the song.

1616
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,839
Speaker 8: The song leans a little bit more towards his generation,

1617
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 8: and I'm just kind of you know, uncle on the

1618
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 8: side of the thing. But I'm never I'm never the

1619
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 8: cat that's gonna jump on the record and not be me.

1620
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 10: I can that that.

1621
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 8: That could never.

1622
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 7: I can't do that.

1623
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 8: So even if it sounds a little more uh contemporary

1624
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:51,799
Speaker 8: than than than normal, it's just me acknowledging the changes

1625
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 8: and the evolutions that have happened in R and B. Well,

1626
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 8: at the same time, I'm gonna still give my bridges.

1627
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 8: I'ma still give my three four five par harmonies where

1628
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 8: I I can get him in there. All of that

1629
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 8: is going to be on this album as well. It's

1630
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 8: it's just me celebrating the fact that I get to

1631
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 8: do music for a living smoke.

1632
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 10: That's That's pretty much what this album is.

1633
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 3: That's dope, man.

1634
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 9: Oh and I be able to tell you too, man

1635
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 9: like good man, I love that. God, yeah, I thought

1636
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 9: that was so dope, Like y'all up, how does.

1637
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 3: It feel like? That was? Yeah?

1638
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 8: That was That was another one that I felt like

1639
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 8: should have got way more attention than it did. But

1640
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 8: you know, I can't. I can't tell people what to do.

1641
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 6: And she's got her own, like you'd be creating anthems

1642
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 6: for the fellas and the ladies. It's kind of amazing

1643
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 6: and like progressive to think progressively in a way that's

1644
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 6: kind of dope.

1645
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 5: It's misindependent. I know that. But I like to say

1646
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 5: she got her own.

1647
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1648
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, black people, I like we.

1649
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 5: Say she got her own.

1650
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 4: Oh, I want to see you. You're seeing working with her?

1651
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 4: We gotta yeah, I gotta her.

1652
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah see it.

1653
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 7: Man, she's like an amazing writer.

1654
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 4: Love to talk about work with her.

1655
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 8: Yeahn man. So so she wrote the hook to let

1656
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 8: Me Love You and I Love you you learn to

1657
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 8: Love Yourself. Funniest thing I was like, because I heard

1658
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 8: that lyric, I'm like, yo, where did you come up

1659
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 8: with that? And she said, oh my aa meeting, that's

1660
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 8: what they said, We're gonna love you to love yourself.

1661
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 8: I'm like, y'all for that time. The realest person alive

1662
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 8: I remember that is actually that session. We were sitting

1663
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 8: in the back we said west Lake Studios on Santa

1664
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 8: Monica and we were sitting in the back room off

1665
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 8: of the A room, and uh, I was looking at

1666
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,839
Speaker 8: the tattoos on her arm. She has pictures of dogs,

1667
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 8: but it looked like a four year old drew a

1668
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 8: dog and it's just a bunch of them, like all

1669
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 8: over her arm. I'm like, what is anyway? I'm I'm

1670
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 8: sitting there because I'm I'm in awe of her, because

1671
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 8: mind you, I'm I'm zero seven, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1672
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 8: I'm from there. I finally to work with her, so

1673
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 8: I'm geeking out and I'm like, yo, I'm sorry. You're

1674
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 8: just supposed to be way bigger than you are. And

1675
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 8: she was like, yeah, but I don't want it. I

1676
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 8: want to go to Taco Bell. And I'm like what,

1677
01:14:58,280 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 8: She's like, I want to go to Taco Bell. I

1678
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 8: want to be able to go to Taco Bell and

1679
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 8: get a taco if I feel like, if I get any.

1680
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 7: Bigger and people don't know, I can't go to Taco Bell.

1681
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 8: I'm like that there's a lot of damn sense. So

1682
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 8: I guess we got to figure out a way for

1683
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 8: your music to get the recognition in love would you

1684
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 8: being able to still go to Taco Bell?

1685
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 7: She's like.

1686
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 8: Publishing, she said, I'm working on it, and the next thing,

1687
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 8: you know, he comes up with the video with little

1688
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 8: Maddie dancing, and and half the world don't know what's

1689
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 8: see it look like, yet the whole world loves of music.

1690
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 8: I'm like, she figured it out, and it's just victory.

1691
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 8: Stories like that just just make my heart smile, man,

1692
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 8: because because I just remember sitting there with her, like,

1693
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 8: how are we gonna get you the Taco Bell?

1694
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 10: They need to hear this music, but we need we

1695
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 10: got to get you to Taco Bell.

1696
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 8: How are we gonna do this?

1697
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 5: She did it, she figured it out.

1698
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 2: Now, Now I have one question, because I was one

1699
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 2: day old, I didn't realize that you wrote Mac Wilds's

1700
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 2: own it. Yeah, man, I still spend that to this day.

1701
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 3: Songs that you wish you would have kept for yourself, not.

1702
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 8: When they do well.

1703
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

1704
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 8: I look at it like if it came out and

1705
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 8: it was a hit on it came out clearly that's

1706
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 8: where it was supposed to be. Now when it come

1707
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 8: out in it don't do well, I'm like, well, damn,

1708
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 8: that's all you was gonna do.

1709
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 7: I should have kept it.

1710
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 2: I could have did better than another Another question, because

1711
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 2: you were one of the staff writers of the Empire series.

1712
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 2: How much how much pressure was that, Like at the

1713
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: top of the season or I would imagine even the

1714
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 2: summer before, it's like you gotta have like whatever fifteen

1715
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 2: songs or whatever, Like what's the division of labor?

1716
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 3: Where like how do they assign those songs to get

1717
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 3: done for it?

1718
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 2: Because every episode of Empire had at least like six

1719
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 2: to seven ready made, like real sounding songs, not just

1720
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 2: like you know whatever they would just play on the

1721
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:53,560
Speaker 2: background of a different world, but like really fully produced

1722
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 2: no no, no Gordon gartreel songs. But how much how

1723
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 2: much pressure was that? Like was this this stuff inside

1724
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 2: your your cannon that you had in the back already

1725
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 2: or were you like custom making these songs on the spot.

1726
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,839
Speaker 8: Well, I didn't. I didn't come in until the following season,

1727
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 8: the first first season that none of that was me.

1728
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 8: I didn't. I didn't none of that second season is

1729
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 8: when they when they when they pulled me, And it

1730
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 8: was honestly a really painless process.

1731
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 3: Bro.

1732
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 8: They they and I don't know if it was just

1733
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 8: because it was me, but they was basically like, well,

1734
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 8: what what you got for us?

1735
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 7: What do you need?

1736
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 8: What you got? Oh?

1737
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 10: Well, damn all right, well, well let me look into

1738
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:31,600
Speaker 10: you know.

1739
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 8: And then I got to meet Jesse, I got to

1740
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 8: meet you know, yeah, and and I got to meet

1741
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 8: Surrey and all of them and like kind of really

1742
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 8: developed kind of a friendship with them to where it's like,

1743
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 8: all right, I know how to write a song for you. Now,

1744
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 8: I know what your voice does. Now I know I

1745
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 8: know what works. What doesn't you know what I mean?

1746
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 8: So they they really rolled out the red carpet for me.

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01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 8: It made it very easy for me to produce anything

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01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 8: that I needed to produce for the show.

1749
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 2: Definitely did sweet Well, I want to thank you for

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01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 2: you know, doing the show with us, and you know.

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01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 5: Thank you for thank you for the records, thank you

1752
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 5: for the records, thank you.

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01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 7: For thank you for the Bridges.

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01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 3: Put it up, especially the Bridges.

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01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 6: And you should audition, maybe start auditioning for like some

1756
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 6: romantic comedies.

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01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 5: I see like a maybe.

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01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 6: Starting out as like a sidekick situation and being the

1759
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 6: funny funny if you want to do.

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01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,839
Speaker 5: I just I see that. I see that for you.

1761
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 5: You're doing it.

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01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 8: No no no no no no no no. I feel

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01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 8: I don't want to do I won't say I don't

1764
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 8: want to do a romantic comedy because if the rag

1765
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 8: will come on, I'm gonna do it. But I want

1766
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 8: to be I'm gonna play a paraplegic white man who

1767
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 8: just realized.

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01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 5: Kind of going there just the MoMA is black.

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01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 10: I want to do something that's so not me.

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01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 8: You want to, Lieutenant, then come on, man, I'm trying

1771
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 8: to tell you I want to be something that's so

1772
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 8: not me that when people learn this meeting.

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01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:53,759
Speaker 7: Oh what damn?

1774
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 8: I said, Okay, that's what I want to do.

1775
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 5: I understand that what I want to do. I understand

1776
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 5: you went real far to the left left.

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01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 8: I need that. I need a German chef, got shipwrecked

1778
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 8: in Africa, have to learn how to make.

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Speaker 3: A Sherman Showcase Season three.

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01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 5: Familyte Did you hear that?

1781
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 3: Come on, he's gonna write He's going to write that

1782
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 3: song for you. I can tell it all right. So

1783
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 3: I'm ready. I'm gonna be having light.

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01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 2: Here and fan take Alot and Sugar Steve, and I'm

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01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: paid Bill and uh Lieutenant Dan over here.

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Speaker 3: This is quest Love Supreme. Thank you Neil for doing this,

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01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 3: and we'll see you on the next round. That's what's.

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