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Speaker 1: January twenty sixty, Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: it at late Kickjosh at Lake Kick Josh. There you go. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's been a busy night so I have not gone

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Speaker 1: my good buddy Bobby Ze, big Packers fan, tough weekend

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Speaker 1: for him, but gave me my big break into business.

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Speaker 1: So I will forever be in debt to him. And

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a way in, is my point. So

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Speaker 1: here's what I did. I I got in touch with him,

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Speaker 1: him being Bobby, and I said, man, can I just

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Speaker 1: come in there. We've never met before. I don't know you,

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Speaker 1: you don't know me, But can I come in there

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Speaker 1: and can I just observe? I just want to see

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Speaker 1: what it's like in a radio station. So he said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: come on over and so I came over there. And

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Speaker 1: I had the year prior been riding around in my

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Speaker 1: truck because I know repetition is the most valuable resource

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Speaker 1: you can have in anything. So I would ride around

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Speaker 1: in my tundra or just ride around Columbus going to

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Speaker 1: and from class, going to and from work, and I

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Speaker 1: would mute the radio and I would just simulate doing

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Speaker 1: talk radio segments by myself, talking to myself like a

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Speaker 1: crazy person. Well it paid off because that was the

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Speaker 1: repetition that got me prepared for the day where I

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Speaker 1: was eventually in that radio studio when he said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: co host is out sick today, do you want to

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Speaker 1: come on air? I had about fifteen minutes advanced warning.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know driving up to the studio that day,

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Speaker 1: walking in there that day professionally and in a way

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways personally would change my life. But

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Speaker 1: it did. And so I go on air. We have

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Speaker 1: a great show. It's Afternoon Drive. It's a lot of

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Speaker 1: caller generated format, and so I loved it. I mean

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Speaker 1: I felt like I had done it ten years. And

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Speaker 1: afterwards he asked me, Hey, how how'd you get in

461
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Speaker 1: this business? Where did you say you had worked before this?

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Speaker 1: And I told him I haven't done radio. He thought

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Speaker 1: I was lying to him only because I sounded halfway prepared,

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Speaker 1: because I had prepared myself with hundreds of hours of

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Speaker 1: simulated segments in my truck. That's literally how I coached myself.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a day's worth of training. In fact,

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Speaker 1: to this day, I've never had anyone train me on

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Speaker 1: how to do anything. I've never had consultants come in

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Speaker 1: at any point and coach me as to any kind

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Speaker 1: of facet of my on air presentation. I had to

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Speaker 1: just learn it on the fly. Did it in radio.

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Speaker 1: A few years later, when I was hired to be

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Speaker 1: a sports anchor, and then eventually a news anchor. The

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Speaker 1: first time I was ever in a TV studio, I

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Speaker 1: was on live TV. Never read a prompter before until

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Speaker 1: I read one on live TV. And that sucked, let

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Speaker 1: me tell you, But it paid off in the long run,

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Speaker 1: and I'm here now. But the point is being prepared

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Speaker 1: and being in the right place before the right time

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Speaker 1: ever comes along. I guess is the answer to the question.

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Speaker 1: Because had I not driven around like a crazy dude

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Speaker 1: talking to myself, I never would have had the repetition.

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Speaker 1: I would have had a ton of rust on me.

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Speaker 1: I would not have known anything about pacing, about tone,

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Speaker 1: about tempo, about verbiage, about all the sorts of keywords

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Speaker 1: that you want to hit in the elements you want

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Speaker 1: to incorporate, and you're on air delivery. And I would

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Speaker 1: not have had that that day. Had I not had

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Speaker 1: that that day, maybe things work out, maybe they don't.

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Speaker 1: I can certainly promise you they would not have worked

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Speaker 1: out the way that they have. And I wouldn't change

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Speaker 1: a thing about the way that they've worked out, because

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Speaker 1: it ultimately leads to this moment. There are many different

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Speaker 1: ways you can skin that cat. But as I was

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Speaker 1: telling someone, earlier tonight on a consultation. Just because you

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Speaker 1: don't have a podcast that started right now, just because

497
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Speaker 1: you don't have your own channel, just because a major

498
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Speaker 1: network is not paying you six or seven figures to

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Speaker 1: deliver content for them, doesn't mean you can't get repetition.

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Speaker 1: Here's the added bonus. If you got the right mentality,

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Speaker 1: then you'll still make it because you won't worry about

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Speaker 1: being out of the spotlight grinding. And you'll also know this,

503
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Speaker 1: most people that you're competing with are quitting every day

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Speaker 1: because most people can't put themselves through that. Most people

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Speaker 1: cannot lower themselves to doing something for free. And so

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Speaker 1: two things are happening simultaneous. Number one, you're getting your

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Speaker 1: reps in, you're sharpening yourself, you're perfecting your craft, and

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Speaker 1: the folks that you would have been competing against are

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Speaker 1: falling off left and right. And then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: one day, probably when you least suspect it, you get

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Speaker 1: the opportunity. And that's the last key. When you get

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Speaker 1: the opportunity, you better be ready for it. I don't

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Speaker 1: care if you're sick that day, you're in a bad mood,

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Speaker 1: you better jump on it. You may only get one.

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Speaker 1: You got to be ready for it. There are a

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Speaker 1: few moments that I can look back on, maybe like

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Speaker 1: one or two or three max, where I know and

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Speaker 1: I didn't know going into that day, but I can

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Speaker 1: look back in retrospect and I can know those were

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Speaker 1: inflection points in my life. Those were certainly in my

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Speaker 1: professional career, inflection points. You have no clue when they're coming.

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Speaker 1: You have no clue in this business when you're interviewing

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Speaker 1: for a job. I didn't know when I was, for instance,

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Speaker 1: on radio, I didn't know that a general manager at

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Speaker 1: a TV station was listening to me. Buddy was called

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Speaker 1: me out of the blue, offered me a job. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know. Shannon Terry and the folks at CBS in

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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven had been listening to me while

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Speaker 1: I was on YouTube, but they were Man, you better

530
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Speaker 1: not have a bad show. You better not let whatever

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Speaker 1: mood you have on the outside affects your presentation. Once

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Speaker 1: you get in that sphere and get in that zone,

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Speaker 1: you better be consistent because your worst show could end

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Speaker 1: up being your job interview. What if that's the only

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Speaker 1: presentation of yours that someone in an influential spot ever

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Speaker 1: sees and what if you don't deliver that day, you

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Speaker 1: could have completely boxed yourself out of what could be

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Speaker 1: the best opportunity in your life. So that's the way

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Speaker 1: I teach it. That's the only way I know how

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Speaker 1: to teach it, because that's the only way that I've

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Speaker 1: gone about it. All right, let me wipe the sweat

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Speaker 1: off my brow. We move on here. A lot of

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Speaker 1: you have questions about what in the world's happening at

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Speaker 1: LSU right now. So I'm going to roll them all

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Speaker 1: up into a ball and we're just going to throw

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Speaker 1: it against the wall right after this. This is just

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Speaker 1: a beautiful moment here. I mean, sometimes the actual question

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Speaker 1: gets overshadowed by the name of the person who submitted

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Speaker 1: the question. And when I speak about community and togetherness

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Speaker 1: amongst what I call the Late Kit crew, which is

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Speaker 1: just the family of listeners that we have. Here's how

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00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 1: I know every day that we think largely the same way.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read the question. Then I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: the name. How do I, as an LSU fan listen

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Speaker 1: to what coach O has to say when his predictions

556
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Speaker 1: were so right in twenty nineteen but so wrong in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty sincerely, cajun with trust issues. That's so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's on the birth certificate, but

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Speaker 1: that's so beautiful. I don't know, is my answer. Let

560
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Speaker 1: me very flatly say, I don't know. I'd have the

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Speaker 1: trust issue. I do have the trust issues, all right.

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Speaker 1: So I'm Nashvillian with trust issues right now. That's where

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Speaker 1: I live. But I'm right there with you because I

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Speaker 1: remember all that twenty nineteen propheticism, and if it wasn't

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Speaker 1: a word before, it is now very edwar Zron spoke

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Speaker 1: it and into existence it came. But then he said

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Speaker 1: somethings the next year, you know, like for example, man,

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Speaker 1: we're way better defensively with Bo Polini. Oh okay, what

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Speaker 1: yeah he said. It. Can't take it back. It's on

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Speaker 1: the record. So a lot of you also were asking,

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Speaker 1: and we'll just go ahead and skip to this too.

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Speaker 1: You were asking about the new hires. I think it

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Speaker 1: all comes down to the new hires, and then there's

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Speaker 1: also a lot of external like the Title nine investigation.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of things outside the football perview.

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Speaker 1: I don't pretend to be an expert on I think

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Speaker 1: it's been hard to hire assistant coaches this offseason because

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Speaker 1: I think in the coaching world a lot of folks

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Speaker 1: have uncertainty about the future of the LSU program. Let's

580
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: just put it out there as it is. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a reality. And so this latest defensive coordinator hire

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Speaker 1: is an example. Dernte Jones. He wasn't their first or

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Speaker 1: second or third choice. Now that doesn't matter as long

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Speaker 1: as he's the right fit. It doesn't really matter how

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Speaker 1: far down the list he was. And I'm assuming most

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Speaker 1: of you don't know who that is. He's the dB

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Speaker 1: coach or was for the Vikings. He coached with Dave

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Speaker 1: Randa at Wisconsin, So that's one thing he has going

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Speaker 1: for him. Another thing he had going for him was,

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Speaker 1: back in the day he did coach some high school

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Speaker 1: ball down in Louisiana. I got to think that goes

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Speaker 1: into this familiarity with the high school scene down there.

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Speaker 1: What I always want to know when you're hiring a

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Speaker 1: coordinator at this high profile a position is very simple.

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Speaker 1: Has he been a coordinator before? Has the guy you're

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Speaker 1: hiring for a job done the job you were hiring

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Speaker 1: him for before. I don't think this is too much

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Speaker 1: to ask, but yet sometimes I do have to ask it.

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Speaker 1: He has About a decade ago, he was the defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator at Bowie State. Don't even start to pretend like

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Speaker 1: you know where that is, because I myself had to

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Speaker 1: look it up. Now. The good news is he had

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Speaker 1: top three defenses nationally three out of his five years there.

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Speaker 1: The bad news is, maybe it's bad news, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: by choice. I'll let you decide where you stand on this,

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Speaker 1: but he was never a DC. Again. He goes to Hawaii,

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Speaker 1: and he was at Wisconsin, as I mentioned, and then

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Speaker 1: he's been in the NFL. He was with the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: was with the Vikings. No one though he has ever seen fit.

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Speaker 1: If you offer this guy an elite defensive coordinator job, now,

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Speaker 1: maybe he was just waiting for the right opportunity. Or

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Speaker 1: maybe he's a diamond in the rough and ed Orzron

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Speaker 1: has found him. I think we have to ask ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Given the total tone deafness of ed Orzron about the

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator position last year, do we believe that he

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Speaker 1: has all of a sudden developed this Keene and I

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Speaker 1: for coaching talent. Maybe he has. I will have to

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Speaker 1: see it to believe it. Okay, but you know, I've

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Speaker 1: been shocked before. I'll be shocked again at some point.

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Speaker 1: Might as well be Ed Orzron who does it. And

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Speaker 1: we will, by the way, have the mood tracker coming

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Speaker 1: up on Late Kick Live eventually for LSU. I've got

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Speaker 1: plenty of time for those. So I got a long

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Speaker 1: list of teams coming. I know, for example five oh three,

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Speaker 1: I saw that you asked in the podcast review section

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Speaker 1: you want an Oregon mood tracker. We will do that.

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Speaker 1: I also had several requests Brendan, I'm looking at yours

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Speaker 1: in the pod review section for a Michigan mood tracker.

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Speaker 1: Those are coming. If you don't know what I'm talking about,

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Speaker 1: check out the show Late Kick Live on the twenty

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Speaker 1: four to seven Sports YouTube channel. We've been kind of

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Speaker 1: going on over most of the major programs and will eventually.

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Speaker 1: I probably think I'll cluster some of the mid tier

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Speaker 1: programs and we just do mood trackers kind of take

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Speaker 1: a temperature of the fan base. We update those several

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Speaker 1: times a year. It's really fun. It's really become one

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Speaker 1: of the most popular segments that we do, and as

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Speaker 1: is the case, it's a direct response to ideas you guys,

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Speaker 1: had I ask you all the time, give me ideas,

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Speaker 1: and I'll do them, because again, it is your show.

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Speaker 1: And the difference between me and maybe some other people

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Speaker 1: when they say that is I actually mean it. It

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Speaker 1: actually is your show. So you pull the string and

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Speaker 1: I'll do the talking. And that pretty much concludes our

645
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Speaker 1: secret formula. Let's keep that between us, though. We'll let

646
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Speaker 1: that be our little secret. We don't tell anyone that.

647
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Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap it up here with this one

648
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: good question. I actually hadn't thought about this in a while.

649
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Speaker 1: Matthew asks, who are some of your favorite players you

650
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Speaker 1: get to cover or watch when you were covering high

651
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Speaker 1: school football? So this would have been when I was

652
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Speaker 1: down in Columbus and it's pretty big viewing market, so

653
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: there are a lot of high school teams. It gets

654
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Speaker 1: over into East Alabama too, where if you want me

655
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Speaker 1: to be real with you, when I they're the better

656
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: high school football was being played, So this would have

657
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Speaker 1: been around the twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen early nineteen timeframe.

658
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: I think I may have told this story once, but

659
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: if I've forgotten it, you've probably forgotten it. So I

660
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Speaker 1: cover Central High School, which is right there near the

661
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Speaker 1: Chattahoochee River. It's a big powerhouse program there in Phoenix City, Alabama.

662
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: Big time receivers have come from there. Justin Ross's playing

663
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Speaker 1: at Clemson. EJ. Williams also at Clemson. Nice little pipeline.

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Speaker 1: There have been several big names come out of there.

665
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Speaker 1: So I'm covering several games on any given Friday night.

666
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Speaker 1: That's the one downside when you're working in a market

667
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: that size is you don't get to stay at a

668
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Speaker 1: game until it ends. You never see endings because you

669
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Speaker 1: got to get back to the station. You know what.

670
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Speaker 1: Let me walk you through this. So here's the schedule.

671
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Speaker 1: You're on air at six twenty five pm because sports

672
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Speaker 1: is towards the end of the newscast, and so as

673
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Speaker 1: soon as you get off there at six point thirty

674
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Speaker 1: one pm, you're out the door. You're in one of

675
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Speaker 1: the news cars. You're trying to change clothes on the fly,

676
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Speaker 1: maybe hopefully eat something, and you're headed out and sometimes

677
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: you got to drive over an hour. It's a big

678
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Speaker 1: viewing market, and so you're going to probably two or

679
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Speaker 1: three high school games. You're trying to get enough footage

680
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: and get out of there as quickly as you can,

681
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: and then you got to get back to the station.

682
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Speaker 1: If you got a ten o'clock newscast, you got to

683
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: wrap something early for that. But you're editing, you're writing copy,

684
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Speaker 1: you're putting your elements in, you're submitting all those videos

685
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Speaker 1: to the server. They got to be loaded into the rundown.

686
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: And then you also got to get dressed. Dare I say,

687
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Speaker 1: put on a little makeup, some foundation, lower the shine

688
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: rate off the forehead, and then get on air and

689
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: deliver it all and sound like you know what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about. So I didn't always get to stay and

691
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Speaker 1: watch the whole game. Not asking you to feel sorry

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Speaker 1: for me, though if you want to, I certainly will

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Speaker 1: accept that. I just this is all I've asked for

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Speaker 1: in life. I just want all the credit with none

695
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Speaker 1: of the blame. That's all I ask for. I do

696
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: it every week. But anyway, so think about that hectic

697
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Speaker 1: nature of a Friday night. Sometimes you don't really have

698
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Speaker 1: time like you would if you're just driving up to

699
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Speaker 1: a game to watch it, to think about the game

700
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: you're about to watch, and to be all read up

701
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: on everything that's on the line. You know it, but

702
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Speaker 1: it's not at the forefront one of your mind. So

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Speaker 1: I pull up to Central. It's early in the season.

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Speaker 1: There's an out of region game and Ross is down there.

705
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Speaker 1: Justin Ross is playing for Central, so he ends up

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Speaker 1: going to Clemson. Now Justin Ross I know about. We've

707
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Speaker 1: done features on him, and so Ross is having a

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Speaker 1: pretty good game. They're playing Lee Montgomery. Ross is having

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Speaker 1: a good game. I get there. I think it's early

710
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Speaker 1: mid second quarter or something like that. I can't exactly remember.

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Speaker 1: If you go find the box score, this may not

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Speaker 1: line up. But Ross is having a good game. I

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Speaker 1: got my ISO shots of him. I think we're good

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Speaker 1: to go, and then all of a sudden, Lee Montgomery

715
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Speaker 1: takes the field. They're on offense, and they throw what

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Speaker 1: looks like a very garden variety quick slant route over

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Speaker 1: the middle. Okay, and then what looks like a normal

718
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Speaker 1: high school kid turns into a race horse and runs

719
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Speaker 1: about a two four eight point forty the rest of

720
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Speaker 1: the way and houses one of the end zone. It

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Speaker 1: is the fastest human being I've ever seen with my eyeballs.

722
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Speaker 1: And I've been covering SEC football, so every Saturday I've

723
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Speaker 1: been on the sideline at the biggest games in the SEC.

724
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Speaker 1: And I'm looking at this kid that plays for Lemont

725
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Speaker 1: go and he has run faster than any person I've seen,

726
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: because I've not witnessed Usain Bolt in person. This is

727
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 1: the fastest human I've ever seen. It was Rugs, it

728
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: was Henry Ruggs, who ended up being one of the

729
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Speaker 1: fastest players in the history of college football in the

730
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Speaker 1: NFL combine. I then realized, you know what, I need

731
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Speaker 1: to take a few more minutes and I need to

732
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Speaker 1: get a little bit more footage here because we're watching

733
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Speaker 1: Ross and we're watching Henry Ruggs. And it was then

734
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Speaker 1: that it dawned on me, Oh, that's right, Ruggs is

735
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Speaker 1: going to Alabama. Yeah, he is kind of a big deal.

736
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Speaker 1: But when you're in a rush, you don't really stop

737
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Speaker 1: to think about that. You just say, what was that

738
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Speaker 1: bullet that just ran past me? Oh, it's Ruggs and

739
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Speaker 1: Ross on the same field. So that was really nice

740
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Speaker 1: to be able to see. I'll tell you another good

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Speaker 1: one that I really always enjoyed covering was Terry Godwin,

742
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Speaker 1: who played at Calway High School, goes on to play

743
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Speaker 1: at Georgia, had a really good career there, one of

744
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Speaker 1: the nicest kids you'll ever be around. One of the

745
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Speaker 1: most gut wrenching scenes that I ever saw that you

746
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: guys did not get to see, was after the SEC

747
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: championship game in two thousand seventeen when it was Georgia

748
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Speaker 1: versus Auburn. They have open locker rooms after the SEC

749
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Speaker 1: title game. So I'm there. We cover both teams. We

750
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Speaker 1: cover Georgia and Auburn. They're both kind of in our

751
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: viewing market. It's a Columbus Georgia is a hodgepodge of Alabama, Georgia, Auburn.

752
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: It's a great place to work. I mean, if you're

753
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: if you're looking to get into the college football side

754
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: of this business and you want to have a really

755
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: underrated TV market to work in, go work in Columbus Georgia.

756
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Speaker 1: You get to cover the biggest programs. You're right in

757
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: the heart of the SEC. It's a great place to be.

758
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: So anyway, we're in both locker rooms after the game.

759
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: You know, the Auburn side's pretty distraught, but the Georgia side,

760
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they're related. They just want the SEC championship.

761
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: They avenged a loss a few weeks earlier at Auburn,

762
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Speaker 1: and so Terry gods in there, Nick Chubbs in there.

763
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: That was a really good Georgia team, obviously because of

764
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Speaker 1: what I'm about to tell you they went on to do.

765
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Speaker 1: And Terry Godwin's got an ear to ear smile, just

766
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Speaker 1: like he's always had any time we've ever interviewed him,

767
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Speaker 1: anytime we've ever talked to him. So then a month later,

768
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: same building, same Georgia team loses a heartbreaker to Alabama,

769
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Speaker 1: now national championship game, well documented. I'm in the Georgia

770
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Speaker 1: locker room after that game, exact same look on Terry

771
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: Godwin's face, ear to ear smile, and it's not that

772
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: he's happy, it's just that's kind of the way he's

773
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: always been. And I mean, he's right there. I'll tell you, man,

774
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: that Georgia team, they had some ambassadors, really good ambassadors

775
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: for the university and for the program, because they were

776
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: right there, front and center to answer questions as respectfully

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Speaker 1: as you would ever hope to be. And I've been

778
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: in those settings, and I've been around folks and I

779
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: don't blame them, but I've been around folks who aren't

780
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: like that after they've lost. And so Nick Chubb Terry

781
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: Godwin again were two guys that you knew you could

782
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: go to. Even though they were nineteen twenty twenty one

783
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: at the time, they acted like they were thirty nine,

784
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: forty or forty one at the time, really professional. It's crazy, though,

785
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: in those atmospheres because think about that, both of those games,

786
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: you had Georgia Bama and you had Georgia Auburn. Those

787
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: are both instances where we're down there in Columbus and

788
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: we're covering both teams in both games. So I'm there

789
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: with just the lovely and esteemed Brooke Kirchoffer who works

790
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: down in Baton Rouge. Now, first time she's ever heard

791
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: me say her last name publicly, by the way, So

792
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: you know, we're having to dead sprint out of one

793
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: locker room all the way across the field, get to

794
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: another locker room, and it's it's the wildest juxtaposition of

795
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: mood you'll ever see, because you're going from a place

796
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: where someone just lost a championship and had the entire

797
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: preseason's goal setting rug ripped out from under him over

798
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Speaker 1: to a room where every one of their preseason goals

799
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: and aspirations have just been realized. It is wild, and

800
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: you got to handle yourself differently because you know, you

801
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: know all those guys, You've covered all of them, and

802
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: so you got to be sad for one group and

803
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: then you can be happy for the other group. And

804
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: then you walk out and you do your stand up

805
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: on the field and it's like, did we really just

806
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: get paid to witness all this? By the way, we

807
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: just got fed free food and we got paid. Oh

808
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: and we get to park right next to the stadium too.

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00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: Listen in case you can't tell. It is the small

810
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Speaker 1: things in life that really just send me over the moon.

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Speaker 1: And every time I realize I'm getting to park for

812
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: free and a lot I used to have to pay

813
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: like one hundred and twenty dollars to park in back

814
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: in the day when I did not have one hundred

815
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: and twenty dollars. I get out of the car, I

816
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: extend both arms, and I look towards the sky like

817
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: I'm Andy Dufrain fresh out of shush Ink Penitentiary. If

818
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: that was vivid enough for you. So let's wrap this up, okay,

819
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Speaker 1: cause we got a lot to get to this morning.

820
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Speaker 1: Not me and you personally, although I will be speaking

821
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Speaker 1: with you and I want to remind you again promotion

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Speaker 1: time tomorrow. If you're listening to this Tuesday Tomorrow Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: eleven am Eastern, ten am Central, It'll be live on

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Speaker 1: the twenty four seven Sports YouTube channel, several of the

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00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: Facebook channels, and the main twenty four seven Sports Facebook channel.

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Speaker 1: It is the five Star Reveal show. So this is

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Speaker 1: a big deal now by those of you who understand

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Speaker 1: signing days coming up, we got the five Star Reveal

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Speaker 1: and then a week after that, so next Wednesday, we've

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Speaker 1: got the live three hour National Signing Day special. That'll

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Speaker 1: be myself, Steve will Fong. You'll also be hearing from

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Speaker 1: a number of our new national experts. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: still on the table, a lot, I mean, we got

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Speaker 1: because there's a lot going on. I mean, if Tennessee

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Speaker 1: till we do a live show. I'm gonna put up

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Speaker 1: explore sports media or start your own YouTube channel about cooking.

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Speaker 1: For all I care, It's not really a game of

849
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: lot these days, guys. It's a game of science. So

850
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Speaker 1: do you know it or do you not know it? Fortunately,

851
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Speaker 1: this is one of the few areas that I can

852
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Speaker 1: speak with some authority in so email me Josh pat

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Speaker 1: DM me on Twitter at late Kick Josh for producer

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Speaker 1: Jordan on the podcast side of things, which is where

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Speaker 1: we are, I'm Josh, Thanks so much for listening. Really

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Speaker 1: love having you guys here, not going anywhere. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be a fun offseason, and I know it's going

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Speaker 1: to be fun because it's going to be powered by you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Have a great rest of your day,

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Speaker 1: and God bless