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Speaker 1: Welcome to Sharper Square, presented by hard Rock bet We

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Speaker 1: are part of the Volume podcast network. This is the

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Speaker 1: betting show that makes the squares sharper and makes the

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Speaker 1: wise guys pay attention. I am Chad Millman, I am

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Speaker 1: My companion, Michael Padre professional better. Simon Hunt, Hello, so

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Speaker 1: am in Chad?

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Speaker 2: How are we doing?

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Speaker 1: My brother? Listen? You sound so much better than you

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Speaker 1: did when I spoke to you yesterday at like five

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Speaker 1: time you were sleeping in about forty eight hours. Great

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Speaker 1: Great first week with listeners and watchers old and new. Simon,

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Speaker 1: we're generally a top ten sports podcast right now, which

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Speaker 1: is insane. Great first week betting when four and one

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Speaker 1: in our contest plays overall, winning week for both of

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Speaker 1: us across the board. I think with the one, I

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Speaker 1: got some criticism, I got some feedback, which is a

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Speaker 1: So here's how it's going to go. I know we

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Speaker 1: have some confusion this past week part of the kinks

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Speaker 1: our final five picks in our Sunday morning show. That

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Speaker 1: watch and get with those fun five picks are the contest.

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Speaker 1: We are playing in locks lines on Wednesdays, so we

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Speaker 1: are going to be playing off of those lines. Some confusion,

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Speaker 1: how do we get Baltimore plus one and a half

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Speaker 1: make it Thursday night selection, we will let people know

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Speaker 1: on the Thursday show. On the Sunday show that we

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Speaker 1: will let people know via social Sorry for the confusion,

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Speaker 1: All right, Simon, you won the Sharper Square segment forgot

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Speaker 1: I think you at Tennessee I ad Miami, which we

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Speaker 1: will get to. We won Brass balls, and Simon says,

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Speaker 1: we lost Chad Love's love, we lost rock in a

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Speaker 1: hard place, brutal beat with the Ravens survivor. We had

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Speaker 1: All right, this is our Tuesday show. We're going to

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Speaker 1: review the entire slate. Let's get after it. Thursday Night Football,

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Speaker 1: Washington at green Bay, Green Bay three and a half

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Speaker 1: point favorite. Look, Packers were pretty awesome against the Lions

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Speaker 1: last week. There are always two stories to this, right,

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Speaker 1: the Lions were not effective offensively. Part of that was

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Speaker 1: Micah Parsons only played half the snaps. I think he

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Speaker 1: the Giants, Jade and Daniels would be able to neutralize

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Speaker 1: their pressure, but he was generally mediocre. So what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts here right now? I don't have a strong

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Speaker 1: short week on Thursday night historically.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I actually really like the Packers and it's

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Speaker 3: So yeah, this is really about the line hard Rock

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Speaker 3: right now is you know, in New Jersey it's minus three,

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Speaker 3: There's three and a halfs out there. Hard might go back

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Speaker 3: It's if we're going Green Bay here, I'd take the three.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's been our contest. I'm assuming this

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Speaker 1: Here's what was interesting to me, about the Commanders because

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Speaker 2: Yep, right there with you, all right.

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Speaker 1: This is a really interesting game to me. Jackson Villa Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati is a three point favorite at hard Rock, and

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Speaker 2: You're not at the number?

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Speaker 3: I agree, but there are three and a half's out there,

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Speaker 3: Like I honestly was coming in here. I was hoping

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Speaker 3: because that's some real professional money now that's coming heavy

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Speaker 3: Much of you want to bash Joe Burrow because yes,

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Speaker 3: let's be honest, and does fall on him a little bit,

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Speaker 2: It was a bad look.

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Speaker 3: So you know your opinion on the Bengals, this is

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Speaker 3: So I get while you're like the minus three, I

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Speaker 2: There are gaping holes running.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think either of us think Stefanski's you know,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I get where you're coming from. The three

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Speaker 3: a half. I'm there on the Jaguars. If me and

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Speaker 3: It's just all about the number, because I think we're

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Speaker 3: both weary of this Jaguars team being overvalued of such

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, there's actually trends that back taking the Bengals here.

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Speaker 1: You know, when two good teams are playing each other

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Speaker 1: team won by a very small number. Historically you want

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Speaker 1: It's sort of flashing red for me, actually flashing green. Simon.

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Speaker 1: You know that I spent the summer working on like

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Speaker 1: various models and systems and stuff with my Harvard Stats

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Speaker 1: intern and this is one of the games that the

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Speaker 1: model is saying, bet, bet bet. I'm a little hesitant

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Speaker 3: And the trend right the sean we talked about the

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Speaker 3: Burrow trend of one and nine straight up. I believe

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Speaker 3: in the first two weeks that's scary. Yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like to me, I lean Bengals here just

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Speaker 1: to play it aggressively. I've not made a bet on it.

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Speaker 3: In the two and a half might be unboiyable once

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Speaker 3: it hits that number. Yeah, how do you not take

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Speaker 3: You can't be helped the fact already bet. It just

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Speaker 2: They've already been embarrassed week one.

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Speaker 3: I hate, I hate, I just hate this Miami team

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not on any side in this game.

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Speaker 1: Only I made a mistake, like we all make mistakes,

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Speaker 3: I get where your your views on this one, because again,

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Speaker 1: It was so embarrassing to look. There's a there's a

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Speaker 2: No, but I love you get on the internet going

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Speaker 1: So killer Sports. I discovered it when I was hanging

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Speaker 2: Oh it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: So I just typed in like NFL teams after a

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Speaker 1: It's not making me like the Dolphins anymore. I think

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Speaker 2: Dolphins, got ya.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. San Francisco at New Orleans. Look

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Speaker 1: there's news here, right, Hard rock Bat has his line

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Speaker 1: But look now, the numbers down to four. Pretty big,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this number is moving, and it was a game

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Speaker 3: we're honestly probably gonna be on. Like I I liked

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think we can be patient here, Chad.

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Speaker 1: You know, the the injury for Purty is a shoulder

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Speaker 1: Jones and they can crowd the box, the Saints can,

436
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Speaker 1: the Niners will find a way to be more effective

437
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Speaker 1: running the ball. You think the Saints I do.

438
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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know. Again, I just have questions.

439
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: By the offensive line and just the forty nine ers.

440
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Speaker 2: I think people saw that.

441
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 3: You know, if you rewatch that game, it was all

442
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 3: party that bailed them out, right, that was either going

443
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 3: to be a pick in the end zone or a touchdown,

444
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 3: a fifty to fifty ball at the end of the game.

445
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: And then a very very well timed Bosa pushing the

446
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Speaker 3: alignment into you know, get that set stripsack and then

447
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 3: the game on Darnold, which you know, sealed the game.

448
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 3: So it's like, there are two big time studs stepped

449
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 3: up at the end of the game, and now they

450
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Speaker 3: might not have Purty, a guy they desperately need. It's

451
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Speaker 3: just something to keep in mind how big of a

452
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Speaker 3: deal is to that team.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it was totally fluky that they covered that game.

454
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: They have no right winning the game alone.

455
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Speaker 3: That's why I love superstar players, right, they show up

456
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Speaker 3: in those moments.

457
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Speaker 2: So that's why you win those big games.

458
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Speaker 1: Cleveland at Baltimore line is ten and a half. Look,

459
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: this was at twelve and a half on Sunday.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's moving, it's moving.

461
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Speaker 1: It went down to eleven and a half and then

462
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: yesterday went back up to twelve and a half and

463
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, just this morning, there's been

464
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: a rush on the Browns and it's moved back down

465
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Speaker 1: to ten and a half. I know the side that

466
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Speaker 1: we want to play here as the Browns, Right. I

467
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: don't love it as much as I thought I would.

468
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: No, I love it.

469
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Speaker 3: I love this match of the Browns, but obviously it's

470
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: all about the number. If we can get nine and

471
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Speaker 3: a half, I'm happy to flip to the Ravens.

472
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Speaker 1: Right.

473
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 2: I have this right at ten, so still a ten

474
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: and a half.

475
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Speaker 3: I do like Cleveland, but I'm I'm in the same

476
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Speaker 3: boat of Like, if the public absolutely was hammering the

477
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 3: Ravens and this I got up to thirteen thirteen and

478
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: a half, would it loved?

479
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Speaker 1: It?

480
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: Would have been?

481
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 3: Simon says most likely, Like I don't care taking them

482
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: back to back weeks because it's like we're just playing

483
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Speaker 3: the value here.

484
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Speaker 2: So the number early line.

485
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 3: Movement to me is right, it should have been Cleveland

486
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 3: money early here like that.

487
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Speaker 2: The Ravens are really talented, they're really good. It's a

488
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Speaker 2: divisional game.

489
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Speaker 3: It's it's a divisional game and a spot where you know,

490
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Speaker 3: we're probably getting value on Cleveland because they should have won,

491
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 3: Like they should have won.

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Speaker 2: This number probably should be under ten.

493
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Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, if they went by a touchdown

494
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: or a field whatever would have been, it would have

495
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: been a big movement to this line because I think

496
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Speaker 3: the public would have been much more respectful this Cleveland team.

497
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Speaker 3: But like we talked about, the public is getting smart

498
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Speaker 3: people on the est pan other shows.

499
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Speaker 2: You know, it's not all brain rots.

500
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: Some in further giving out as good and the inn

501
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: further giving out is how dominant that Brown's defense was

502
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 3: against the Bengals, Which is that.

503
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 2: A Bengals thing. We're about to find out this week.

504
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: Was that a Bengals problem or was that Cleveland's defense

505
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: being that good? So, you know, at this number, I

506
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: like it. This is this is a better defense than

507
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: the Bills, that's for damn sure. So they abtously don't

508
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 3: have the MVP of Josh Allen. That's why we're getting

509
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 3: ten and a half. So not going to force it

510
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 3: in like we like Cleveland's side. If it gets under ten,

511
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: we can't have a conversation about the Ravens because at

512
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: that point the disrespect is too far. And this is

513
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 3: still you know, the number one, number two seed in

514
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Speaker 3: the AFC.

515
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, you just took the words out of my mouth.

516
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: The Bills pass rush totally red havoc on the Ravens

517
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: on Sunday Night. And the Browns are better at every

518
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: level than the Bills. Defensively, they're better. Yeah, their secondary

519
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: is so much better. Their pass rush is so much better.

520
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: Their defense. You know, it's hard to quantify all of

521
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: the ways in which their defense was so dominant, situationally

522
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: and overall against the Bengals, Like they made Joe Burrow

523
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: look like he was a rookie playing in his first game.

524
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Speaker 1: They were just freaking brilliant.

525
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 3: Literally were he joked, But it was literally almost impossible

526
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: to lose that game, and they did lose it.

527
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Speaker 2: It's incredible.

528
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Speaker 1: That's just because it's Cleveland.

529
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, But mathematical, like you've seen all the numbers where

530
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, two and three hundred all these teams,

531
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Speaker 3: what the Bengals were in that exact spot now, like

532
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 3: they're the third team ever to win getting seven yards

533
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Speaker 3: in the second half.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a stat though, ready are

535
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Speaker 1: you ready?

536
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Speaker 2: Ready?

537
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Speaker 1: Since twenty fifteen, double digit road dogs in the division

538
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: only cover forty three percent of the time.

539
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 3: Well, well, yeah, not the best spot, but again, still

540
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: still love it a little bit. But like we said,

541
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: I'm hoping, honestly, this goes the Ravens nine.

542
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: And a half. I that's what I would prefer.

543
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: That would that would be, that would be the spot

544
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: to back.

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00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: I'd rather, honestly, I'd rather bet the Ravens in single

546
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: digits at this point than bet the Browns at double

547
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Speaker 1: digit dogs.

548
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: But that that Ravens defense. They came out slow last year.

549
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 3: Who knows what they will be this year. But it's

550
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 3: it's hanging on me, Chad, this exact spot last year

551
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 3: Raiders ten point dogs.

552
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, mid chew, oh, I remember.

553
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: So it's it's a weird thing with this team.

554
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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's it's I guess it can

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556
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557
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 3: He's got arguably the best running back, best quarterback tandem ever,

558
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: So it's just weird. They keep losing these games where

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00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: they have huge leads, and yep, we expect to bounce

560
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Speaker 2: So I think we're in line here. If it's nine

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Speaker 2: and a half, well of a real decision.

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Speaker 1: For JAA, all right, we're looking at the giants in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: can just bring that whole team down. And you called

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Speaker 1: it in the preseason about how good Dak is. It

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Speaker 1: just changes everything for a for a team when that

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Speaker 1: quarterback can make plays. And so to me, I like,

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Speaker 1: you know, this line actually exploited on Sunday, and there's

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00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: been some buyback probably lean Dallas.

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Speaker 3: Here, Yeah, love Dallas. And you know that that week

620
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Speaker 3: one I got so many message about why I bet

621
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: so heavy Week one, and we've talked about it, Right,

622
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Speaker 3: It's just if I can bet something for months at

623
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 3: a time, it's easy for me to get a lot

624
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: of money down. And the Cowboys that was a rare opportunity.

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00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: We talked that was seven opened at seven, and I

626
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: kept saying, it's just this is not a Dak line,

627
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: Like people just forget the talent of Dak because he

628
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: was hurt and man that I always have egg on

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Speaker 3: my face because you don't ever expect Parsons trade. And

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Speaker 3: that was the scariest part of that line, where it's like,

631
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Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to see what their defense was

632
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: gonna be like obviously without Parsons because to me, we

633
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: saw it against Egles like there was no pass rush

634
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: without them, like totally neutralized. He is by far the

635
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Speaker 3: best player in that defense. How would they why would

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Speaker 3: they get rid of this guy? Like you told you

637
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: saw it in that Eagles game. It is a big deal, right,

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00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: And you can say, well, they came out, they made

639
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: adjustments in the defense, played way better, especially against the run,

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Speaker 3: which was that was the biggest deal.

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00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: Right.

642
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: They wanted to prove against the run. You saw that,

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Speaker 3: So you know hesitation about this Cowboys team, that would

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Speaker 3: be it, right, We don't really still know what they are.

645
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: But to me, it's again being confident in why I'm

646
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Speaker 3: betting this. I have this number at seven. So this

647
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: is really about Dak. Dak beats the shit out of

648
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: bad teams, especially in his own division. This Giants team

649
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Speaker 3: is a bad team, and you know, you saw people

650
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Speaker 3: trying to force their doubt like their Giants love this

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Speaker 3: line is. There are so many other aspects to a

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Speaker 3: team besides the D line. That's why I thought their

654
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Speaker 3: draft pick was dumb at Dube Card is an incredible talent.

655
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: I get.

656
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: You have to take them. Your offensive line is so

657
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: bad it is three four years away from being fixed.

658
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: If you're the Giants and you knew you were taking

659
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: Dart late in the first like to me, you trade

660
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: down at least from that pick and you get offensive

661
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: lineman because we've seen that's the problem around this Giants team.

662
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson had no time. I mean, Neighbors is losing

663
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: his mind. That offense is putrid. I mean, this might

664
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: have to be a survivor pick because when else are

665
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: we going to use Dallas in this exact spot right right,

666
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: Dallas at home coming off a game they should have won.

667
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 3: You know, CD gifted that win to that Eagles team

668
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 3: that they lost that game thirty different ways. That Eagles team,

669
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: like that was such a Dallas win, you know, between

670
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: the fumble, the untimely fumbled and the drops by CD,

671
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: I can't imagine what they're practice like this week. And

672
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: just Dak knows they cannot be going. Oh and to

673
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: let alone, let this be a close game. I see

674
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: them rolling. I love this number. It's gonna be probably

675
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: the most public line I liked this week, right, the

676
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: minus five and a half, minus six, so I liked

677
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: the pros are buying back on the Giants. They can't

678
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: quit them. They're like you with Miami. They just can't

679
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 3: quit it. And I see what they see. But man,

680
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: this just feels like a bad spot and a bad

681
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: match for the Giants team, which we talked about.

682
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: Their schedule is just so brutal. There's no week off.

683
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: Every week iss is brutal, brutal, brutal, and this is

684
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: another bad week. So yeah, I'm not there on this

685
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: Giants team seven and a half. If it gets yes,

686
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: I'll like Giants, but under seven, this is I think

687
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: we're in sync.

688
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: This is totally a Dallas line and a good number.

689
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: It's so weird how so many wise guys were playing

690
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: the Giants against the Commander. You were all over the Commanders, yea,

691
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: and everybody was piling into the Giants. This was the stat,

692
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: the most telling stat to me out of that game.

693
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: The Giants had eleven scoring opportunities with plays inside the

694
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: ten yard line for them from the three yard line.

695
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: They failed on all eleven. Like they're falling. They were

696
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: falling apart before our eyes. That any other game the

697
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: Commanders were, any other the Commanders play any of their

698
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: team and that's a close game, like they were. They

699
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: were keeping them in the game, and the Giants could

700
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: not figure out a way to capitalize on anything. They

701
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: just looked looked completely lost. It's like the Hall of

702
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: Fame legacy for Russell Wilson, you know, when he was

703
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: at peak leaving Seattle. Every year just gets worse and

704
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: worse and worse for Russell Wilson. We owe people, as

705
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: Simon says, we owe people of Chad Loves Love. This

706
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: feels a little too square for me to go Chad

707
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: Love's Love. But the way you talk about it I'm tempted,

708
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: and it's sort of in the range of what I

709
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: like to bet teams like that three to nine, So

710
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: it's interesting.

711
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 3: Very definitely tempted with the five and a half because that,

712
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: to me is a really good number right now on

713
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: this cowboy side.

714
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to consider that. Listen, Detroit is now

715
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: a five and a half point favorite hard rock bet

716
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: over the Chicago Bears. You mentioned this on Sunday night,

717
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: and then yesterday I texted you. I called you him like,

718
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: were you really leaning Detroit four and a half? And

719
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: You're like, I can't even remember what I said because

720
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: I was up for thirty six straight hours until the

721
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: Sunday show. But you did say let's get the four

722
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: and a half for Detroit now, because just right they did.

723
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: Here's the problem. I'm a little skeptical about the Lions,

724
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: Like digging into that game, I thought in the first

725
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: half they had opportunities to sort of make this game

726
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: close and not have it be so lopsided for the

727
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: Packers in terms of the score. But I'm worried about

728
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: their offensive line. Like Frank Ragnow the center retired, Kevin Zeitler,

729
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: the guard left in free agency. They had a couple

730
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: of rookies in there who just looked like rookies, and

731
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: will they get everything fixed over the course of you know,

732
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: five days of practice. So this running game can be

733
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: sort of the bulwark that it had been that sets

734
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: everything up for Jared Goff. I would I would lean

735
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: into the Lions because I think clearly their coaching staff

736
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: is better than the Bears. But I don't love this

737
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: game right now.

738
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope Bears fans hear this. Don't don't be

739
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: so doom and glue. I know that's the whole Chicago personality.

740
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: It's just, oh, we lost Game one, the world's over,

741
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: We're the worst team ever, burned it all down. Caleb's

742
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: a bus we showed Uh, I get it. It's that's

743
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 3: very Chicago. But I talked about this is you have

744
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: to treat this is Caleb's rookie year.

745
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: Last year was a total waste.

746
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: You know this this offense you watch that game, Chad,

747
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 3: you saw it. It's it's when it works, it looks

748
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 3: really on and it's you know, it's a great system.

749
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 2: So if Caleb's not the guy, he will be gone.

750
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 3: But at least you can see that you you most

751
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: likely have a head coach who he needs to.

752
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: Go through his own growing pains as well.

753
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: He's going to do stupid stuff, make stupid calls, and

754
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 3: that's just the way it does. I mean, in that game,

755
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: they had that pick six in their next five possessions,

756
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but almost positive because I watched

757
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 3: that game, the next five possessions were either a punt

758
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: or a missed field goal. So again they're up seventeen

759
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 3: six and they have all these punts, they have a

760
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: miss field goal, and then in the fourth quarter of

761
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: the Vikings came back. So you know, at the end

762
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: of the day, it's on Caleb chat and that's my

763
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: fear here is I We had seth Wickershammel and I

764
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 3: pressed him about the mental makeup of this kid, because

765
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: to me, in life, you want adversity, you want someone

766
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: that's failed a lot and dealt with, you know, challenges,

767
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 3: and he just seemed like he was so talented. He

768
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: just floated through his whole life. And you know, whether

769
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: it was in high school Oklahoma USC he was always

770
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 3: great until his last year there. And we're seeing with

771
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: that Bears game like there was he had opened guys

772
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: he missed and That's that's my fear with Caleb here

773
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: where you know, that number seems so big to me

774
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: with the Lions.

775
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: Because it's still the Lions, that they could have.

776
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 3: Just one bad game and they're legit they'll be fine

777
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 3: this year, or like we keep thinking that offensive line

778
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: that's a major issue.

779
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: Their offense line.

780
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: Is a big problem, and they didn't make adjustments like

781
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: Green Bay outschemed them and made better adjustments even in

782
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 3: the second half. I mean, they got a late touchdown

783
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: with what like two minutes left the lines. But like

784
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: Chad's saying here, there's a lot to be doubtful of

785
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: this Lions team. So if anything, I'll just not not

786
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: bet this one. But I think and in the day,

787
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: if it's under six like it is right now, that's

788
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: that's that's good value towards this Lions team that you know,

789
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: if they do click, they could roll this Bears team

790
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: forty to seventeen.

791
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 2: Like that would not be that shocking. Where couldn't.

792
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a couple of really bad losses Week

793
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: one that's up there for the worst loss of the week.

794
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: You're at home prime time, seventeen six vibes could not

795
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: be higher and just total total train wreck. And you know,

796
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 3: like Chad's doing a little bit of soul searching.

797
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: JJ. You can see it right, you see the top ten.

798
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: The moxie, a lot of moxie.

799
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: The painful part about it, so much moxie.

800
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: I I yesterday about five o'clock, five thirty, my buddy

801
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: Matt called me. Everyone who's been listening to the show

802
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: for years knows Matt. And he says to me, I

803
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: say hello. He doesn't even say hello. He just starts

804
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: ranting about how much the Bears suck. And it's five thirty.

805
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: The game is three hours away. I'm like, what are

806
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: you talking about? He goes, I'm just getting it out

807
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: of the way because I know this is how I'm

808
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: going to feel, and this is what I'm going to

809
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: be saying. We were texting there in the game. He

810
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: couldn't have been more right. Like everything he said it was.

811
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: I don't know you.

812
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, Chad was right about his

813
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: Bears being a home divisional dog.

814
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: That was right.

815
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: But I was right for about we never seventy five

816
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: percent of the game.

817
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: I've never seen again this rather, JJ, mystique is that

818
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: all time, I've never seen a guy in his first

819
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: game throw a pick six and then the fourth quarter

820
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: score three touchdowns, throw in two rushing for one.

821
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 2: Just again Vikings Baller.

822
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might come crashing and burning, but I would

823
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: be very excited because I could not believe what I

824
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: was witnessing.

825
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: Where this guy there were a few things totally lost.

826
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: There were a few things. He looked totally lost and

827
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: out of his depth for three quarters. But then Kevin O'Connell,

828
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: who we love like. I think he's a top five

829
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: coach easily in the NFL what he has done year

830
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: after year with Kirk Cousins, then Sam Darnold, now JJ McCarthy.

831
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: He's got to win something for me. But I get

832
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: where you're coming from.

833
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: His ability to turn nothing into something in the middle

834
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,479
Speaker 1: of a game. He's the reason they won that game.

835
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: He found what would make JJ McCarthy comfortable, put him

836
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: in positions to succeed, and the guy throwing lasers at

837
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: the end of the game to guys who had to

838
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: receivers who had been schemed open, and so just really impressive.

839
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: I actually on Twitter this morning and threads I asked

840
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: followers to give me a redraft of the twenty twenty

841
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: four QB class the six quarterbacks, I said, Jade and

842
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: Daniels number one, almost universally. Bo Nicks was number two,

843
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's fucking stupid, and then JJ. It

844
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: was like JJ and Pennox were three and four and

845
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: most of it was then Drake May five and Kid

846
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: and Cabe Williams six. That's insane, isn't that great? If

847
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: you have ideas on this, put in the YouTube chat.

848
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to respond when I jump in. Give me

849
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: your redrafted top six from twenty twenty four. All right,

850
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: interesting game coming up. Jets at Buffalo Buffalo six and

851
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: a half at hard rock beat right now, big move

852
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: on this one. This was at eight and a half.

853
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: We both lean Jets, and this was before the Bills

854
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: went against the Ravens. Then it moved down considerably at

855
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: six and a half. I'd go with the Bills here,

856
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: am I sharper? Am I square on that one?

857
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 2: Definitely square.

858
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: My view of it is just your read of the

859
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 3: line might have moved too much, couldn't be true. But

860
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 3: at the same time, I think this is the proper

861
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 3: amount of movement for how bad and banged up and

862
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: injured that Bill's secondary and defense is like you see

863
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: how important having a safety who can come downfield and

864
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,959
Speaker 3: tackles like that is everything in football. If you can't

865
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: stop the run with your safety, you will give up huge,

866
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: huge plays. And what I took from that Jets team

867
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: is they're going to scheme up big place Like Briest

868
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: Hall is good, Like he's what a year and a

869
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 3: half removed now from that knee injury, and he looked

870
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: like he had that step back which was missing, and

871
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: that's why people are saying he was a guy that

872
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 3: could be getting traded. You know, this whole preseason everything

873
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: like that, and like you know, Justin Field's going back

874
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 3: watching that game.

875
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: He had three or four throws that could have.

876
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: Been picked sixes, like insanely tight windows, but he made

877
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: the throws.

878
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: And we've seen it.

879
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 3: When Fields is on, he looks like a top five,

880
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 3: top ten quarterback. It's incredible because he's so athletic, his

881
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: delivery is so smooth, and his deep ball looks amazing.

882
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: So you know, I want to be there on the Bills.

883
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 3: I agree with Chad like it feels like I should

884
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: be more tempted on this Bills team, but on the

885
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 3: road against the Jets. You know, I just could see

886
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: the Jets always keeping right behind him, like keeping the

887
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 3: score close. So another game I won't force because the

888
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: numbers moved too much. Where at seven and a half

889
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: I would have been very more ironics have been very

890
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: confident in this Jets team. But we've seen it with

891
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: Josh Dowen against bad teams, usually he beats them up.

892
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 3: Wouldn't be shocked if he's got, you know, a double

893
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: digit lead. And Justin Fields just has his off day,

894
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 3: which is what he does. He's an up and down quarterback.

895
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: So the matchup wise though, it's like Fields he could

896
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: rush for one hundred. Like we literally just saw how

897
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 3: bad this team is against the read option. They just

898
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: you're trying to have Bosa on the edge stop a read.

899
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 2: Option, not the good bos the older brother. So it's

900
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: it's a tough spot for this Bills team.

901
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think your read on the value might

902
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 3: be on the number movie too much is correct. I'm

903
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: just you know, I think Thish probably should be closer

904
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: to five. It's still six.

905
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: And a half.

906
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: I am tempting on this Pills team, but it's like, man,

907
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 3: I just I can't get over how bad their defense is.

908
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 3: Where it's like even it's just too much, it's too

909
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: big of a number to me for that defense, where

910
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: that could be major wrong because Josh Allen is just

911
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 3: that good. Where if he's just tearing up this Jets

912
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: defense that just got torn up by Rogers, obviously that

913
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: favors Josh Allen this spot.

914
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: I don't think Justin Fields is Lamar Jackson, and so.

915
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 2: He's pretty close. I'm gonna say that right.

916
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: Now, right, but he's not the passer that he is.

917
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: And so I do think that Lamar Jackson's threat as

918
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: a passer changes how you play defensively, and the Bills

919
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: will scheme to really just make sure Justin Fields can't

920
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: be beating them as a runner and only has the

921
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: option to pass.

922
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: What do you think Pittsburgh did.

923
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh sold out to stop him as a runner, and

924
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 3: he burned him with his legs and the running back Burnham. Again,

925
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh is the was the number one highest paid defense.

926
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: They got the guys, and they had a banged up secondary,

927
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: and you just saw what Fields did to a banged

928
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: up secondary.

929
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: That's that's what I'm saying. There's just so many similarities here.

930
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: I get your hesitation with fields, but man, this Bill's

931
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: defense has so many injuries it's brutal.

932
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: I was thinking about adopting new teams in the just

933
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: so have something to root for. I settled on the

934
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: Ravens over the Bills because the Bills, I felt like,

935
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: would just break my heart in the same way as

936
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: the Bears would. I think the Ravens are going to

937
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: break my hearts in different ways, so I might just

938
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: adopt the Ravens in the AFC. Here, the value that

939
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: we could have had eight and a half is just

940
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: not going to be there, and it's setting up to

941
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: be a game where there's so much emotion for the

942
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: Jets right now. Classic fade the Jets fade the hype.

943
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 2: But that's the books.

944
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: This is going to be the books one of the

945
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 3: Book's biggest needs because you can tease the Bills now

946
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: to a pick like That's why that line.

947
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: Movement, to me, it was such a huge deal.

948
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: The fact that they've crossed into the six and a

949
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 3: half number is it's just going to be heavy, heavy,

950
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 3: heavy Bills money, and they knew what they were doing,

951
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: so that's really respected money that came on the Jets

952
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 3: and moved this number. But like you said, Chad, you're

953
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: reading it could be right that it could have moved

954
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: too much at this point. But this is definitely a

955
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 3: game we're gonna be talking about again on Thursday.

956
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: I have no doubt this would be a big wise

957
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: guy call.

958
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: All right, Look, we still owe people of Chad Love's love.

959
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: We still owe people of Simon says, like last week

960
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: with the Browns, I wonder if we're gonna have a

961
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: little debate over the over who's going to get to

962
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: claim ownership on this next game. Seattle at Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh

963
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: is a three point favorite at Hard Rock Bat and

964
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: really across the board, you really like Seattle in week one,

965
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: and then I had some critiques about Seattle, which you

966
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: scoffed at on Sunday night, and then I actually did

967
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: a lot of rewatching of this game, and this line

968
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: has actually moved up from two and a half to

969
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: three since Sunday. There are lots of reasons to fade

970
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin as a favorite, and we did it against

971
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: the Jets this past weekend. He's not profitable as a

972
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: favorite at home either, as he is not on the

973
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: road Here's what's tickling me about this game. Seattle's defense

974
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: was really excellent against the Niners opening TD drive. They

975
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: basically kept the Niners scoreless the rest of the game

976
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: until the final drive. The pressure on Purty was relentless.

977
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: They limited them to just over three yards per carry.

978
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: They were opportunistic. You unpacked that Steelers game and Aaron

979
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: Rodgers like. One of his TD passes was a shovel pass,

980
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 1: another was on a short field. He was sacked four times.

981
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: His QBR was middle of the pack. He didn't even

982
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: attempt to throw more than twenty yards downfield. The defense

983
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: for the Steelers, they could not stop the rush more

984
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: than one hundred and eighty yards rushing. A lot of

985
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: that was Breese Hall, some of that was justin fields.

986
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised it moved in the Steelers direction.

987
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 1: I liked Seattle more than I thought it would. Chad

988
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: loves love he loves the Seattle Seahawks. Plus three.

989
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: But that's the shacker of the day. This is your

990
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: favorite bet. Now, I can't.

991
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: Really find one that I love, love love.

992
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: Bringing back bullying America. Yeah, that's I'm shocked. I like

993
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 3: this number two. I have no fear that it's up

994
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: to three. If anything, I am hoping more public money

995
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 3: comes up and the books have to shift it again

996
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 3: to three and a half because right now, like I'm looking,

997
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 3: it's the splits right now, it's all Pittsburgh money, like heavy,

998
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 3: heavy Pittsburgh money right now. So that's what I said.

999
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: I hope I said on Sunday night. This is the

1000
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 3: exact is why you want to be and you just

1001
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: want to be patient. Let the masses come and bed

1002
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: it up. And yeah, this the Seahawks team. Don't know

1003
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: if they'll win it because that like the Sam Darnold

1004
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 3: part of it. But I think you see what I

1005
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 3: say about them keeping these type of games close. It's

1006
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 3: like these teams that they're pretty much even with, which

1007
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 3: is what they were the forty nine ers. They will

1008
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 3: keep games close in ugly games, and their defense can

1009
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: really pull teams down into the mud. And like that's

1010
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: what I really like about that coach and the way

1011
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 3: he coached up this defense of just never beend and break,

1012
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: like they're just so you know, like there's multiple times

1013
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: in that fort nine Ers game where I could see

1014
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 3: that they were just worn down, right because it was

1015
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 3: just never any relentless of Robinson and McCaffrey that combo

1016
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 3: for the fort nine ers run game, and they just

1017
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: never broke, like even at the end with that pretty touchdown,

1018
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 3: like we said, it was a fifty to fifty ball

1019
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 3: like it could have gone either way. So in this matchup,

1020
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: like we talked about, just like the Seahawks, and my

1021
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: hesitation will just be diving more into the whole splits

1022
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 3: of West Coast team coming east, playing in this exact

1023
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 3: spot after such a brutal, tough divisional game, what that

1024
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: means for them. And on the flip side, Pittsburgh, I

1025
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 3: want to see their injury report because if they are

1026
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: missing all these guys again from their secondary, this is

1027
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: the exact type of matchup you want for the Seahawks

1028
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 3: and that Kubiak run blocking scheme where they make one

1029
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,959
Speaker 3: or two guys miss if the linebacker the lineman missed

1030
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 3: their assignment, there's going to be gaping holes like we

1031
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: saw for that Jets team against this Pittsburgh team. So

1032
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 3: another game chat where I like run the same page

1033
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: of plus three. It's a great number. We're praying this

1034
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: gets a three and a half for the contest. That

1035
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 3: would be great value on the Seahawks line.

1036
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: When you say bring back bullying, Are you mad that

1037
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: I stole it from you?

1038
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 3: No, you just I feel like you were sensitive to me,

1039
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 3: Like do you react like I was being me throhe

1040
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 3: I was just trying to get you on the same

1041
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 3: page of like, don't don't take Pittsburgh here back this

1042
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 3: sex team. They're not as bad as that. You know,

1043
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 3: game looked offensively like I agreed with you that Darnold

1044
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 3: did struggle in some aspects, but that running game, you know,

1045
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: there there's a lot to like I think going forward

1046
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 3: for what that Seahawks is trying to set up with

1047
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 3: their running style.

1048
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm nothing if not open minded. Okay, you know, I'm

1049
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: willing to see all the angles. I did my research yesterday.

1050
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: I dug in, I watched some of the game. I

1051
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: was not I was just not impressed with the Steelers

1052
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: at all against the Jets. It's partially Colorado. Why I'm

1053
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: not why I'm less impressed with their win than I

1054
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: think other people with their with their loss than other

1055
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: people are. We're is coloring then my feeling about the Bills.

1056
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: But I just thought Seattle like they dominated that game.

1057
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: And you said at the beginning of the show. Brock

1058
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: Purty won that game with a fifty to fifty ball

1059
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: and then there was a fluky you know, offensive lineman

1060
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: who runs into Sam Darnold's hand and he fumbles when

1061
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: they could potentially win the game.

1062
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: So and this line would be two if they want,

1063
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 3: this line would be two one and a half. So,

1064
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 3: like we say the time, you take the value, especially

1065
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: the fact that this is you know, besides the Cowboys,

1066
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 3: there's a couple of other games. So this is up there

1067
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: for the biggest public sid right now in Pittsburgh.

1068
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: Yep, Denver, Indie Indie plus two line has been move

1069
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: in from three to two and a half to two.

1070
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: Not a pros pro joe split exactly, but definitely see

1071
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: the money starting to come in and tilt towards Indianapolis.

1072
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: Are you still seeing value on this? On Sunday night

1073
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: you were liking the Colts. Where do you stand now?

1074
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1075
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 3: And another spot like I loved it, couldn't believe it

1076
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 3: opened at three, took the value Sunday betted again yesterday.

1077
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 3: Now like you just said, it's down to two, I'd

1078
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: still take that. Like I talk all the time, I

1079
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: key number two is it's going to get the one

1080
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: and a half. I'm assuming like this this will be

1081
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 3: pros rus Jows. I think the public will come in

1082
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: on this Denver team eventually.

1083
00:55:54,280 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: But simon, if the Twitter poll is any indication, people

1084
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: are still full believers in.

1085
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 3: Bow Knicks, right, So I just think they'll throw out

1086
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 3: last week's game and you know they'll come in here

1087
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 3: and just think that it's all good. And I just think,

1088
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: you know, a whole off season, you saw tennessee what

1089
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: they did to bow Knicks to give them problems. That's

1090
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 3: what it's like, right, You get a full year playing teams,

1091
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 3: have a whole off season to adjust to it, and

1092
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 3: they're gonna give them problems. So looking at this matchup,

1093
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 3: like I said, Colts, eventually we'll jump off this train.

1094
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: I just I'm playing the number here. So like at

1095
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 3: plus two at hard Rock, that's that's great value. In

1096
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: my opinion, I go grab that right now. Because you know,

1097
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: I've talked to a couple other guys who are in

1098
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 3: the same mindset of me, and they have money like

1099
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: I do. They'll be betting this cold side. They're gonna

1100
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 3: keep moving this number down. So I think we jump

1101
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: back on here. Unfortunately for our contest. Talking Thursday, I

1102
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 3: don't think we're gonna get it to two and a half.

1103
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna go down one and a half,

1104
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 3: get closer to a pick, and that's gonna be a

1105
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: tough choice because that at that point where we're chasing

1106
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 3: a number. But yeah, two, if you're hearing this right now,

1107
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 3: go grab it. That's good value on this Colts team.

1108
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: But it's not. Simon says, Nope, that's a free one.

1109
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 2: It's just a gift, just a gift.

1110
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: It's just a gift. Carolina at Arizona. Arizona is a

1111
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: six and a half point favorite at home. Listen, we

1112
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: know the sharp side here is to go bet Carolina.

1113
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: And good for us that we didn't bet Carolina last week.

1114
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: We did not ask anyone to bet Carolina last week.

1115
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: We actually beat against Carolina last week. I know we

1116
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: try to time these spots a bounce back. The only

1117
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: offensive bright spot for Carolina is Chuba Hubbard. The receiver

1118
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: depth is so limited, the defense is terrible and has

1119
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: some injuries. Simon, say your piece.

1120
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 3: I thought McMillan played well too, though their first he did.

1121
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: He played well like six or seven catches and he did.

1122
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: He did a nice job getting himself open, and like

1123
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: when they did have drives and sort of sustain any momentum,

1124
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: it was because Bryce Young was finding him. I'm surprised

1125
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: you're not saying this is Simon says.

1126
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: Right now, No, because I'm I'm like you were.

1127
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: I'ld.

1128
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be smart about this Panthers team. And

1129
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 3: I did go back and watch their game, and as

1130
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: bad as as the Cardinals played in some aspects against

1131
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 3: that Saint's team, they still might be able to run

1132
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: for two hundred yards against this Panthers team. Like there

1133
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 3: are stuff they do offensively that really favors them in

1134
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 3: this matchup.

1135
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 2: And you know, Cardinals might have got a steal draft.

1136
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 3: They have a corner who's I might be able to

1137
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 3: just shut down corner and we Chad just nailed it,

1138
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 3: like they don't have if you're taking away now they're

1139
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 3: number one pick and there is no feeling safety route

1140
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 3: guy And that was pretty apparent for Braces Young in

1141
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: that game. He didn't have a number two he could trust,

1142
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 3: especially on third down. So uh yeah, I'm not going

1143
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 3: to force it. I might get there on Thursday. We

1144
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 3: sit here right now. I haven't put a penny on

1145
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 3: this Panthers number. And my whole mentality is I just

1146
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 3: hope there's so much doubt out there like me that

1147
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: no one touches and we do get a seven, because

1148
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 3: once there's a seven, I have to take the Panthers

1149
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 3: once against a seven. But six and a half, I

1150
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 3: could be patient. I can let this number sit, but

1151
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 3: it's another one we'll have to look along and hard

1152
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 3: at for survivor chat because this is another good spot

1153
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 3: for the Cardinals. But man, this Panthers team, it's so

1154
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 3: brutal because I want to believe in them, but they

1155
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: just have so many gaping issues. And when you just

1156
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 3: look at the numbers from that Week one matchup, we'll

1157
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 3: see if that was just a Jacks thing. But there

1158
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: it's incredible how bad they're run defenses. And if you

1159
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: can't stop the run, you have one of the worst

1160
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 3: secondaries on football as well. Offensively, it's it's just tough.

1161
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 3: There's just nothing else left for them to do defensely

1162
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 3: to get stops.

1163
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm still really proud of us that

1164
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: we're not sort of just blindly going with the Panthers

1165
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: at six and a half because we think there's something there,

1166
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: because right now I'm not sure we think there's anything there.

1167
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: Rams at rams at Tennessee, Tennessee plus six. I know

1168
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: we want to take Tennessee. The pros has moved on Tennessee.

1169
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: It's at one point moved from six to five and

1170
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 1: a half. I got that back up. I don't really

1171
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: know what we learned about the Rams. And we can

1172
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: say the same thing about the Texans when we talk

1173
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: about the Texans and the box in a few minutes.

1174
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: I like cam Ward was pretty terrible. Not the reason

1175
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: they lost the game, but you know, he wasn't anything

1176
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: that we're like, yep, number one pick, going to be

1177
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, not like he has to be.

1178
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: In the first game. I got no lean here.

1179
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: I gotta send you a clip. He was good.

1180
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 3: I think cam Ward was good in this game. It's

1181
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 3: just the team around him, the coaching, all of it.

1182
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: That's that's the issue with Tennessee.

1183
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 3: And this was almost almost Simon says, but I'm trying

1184
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: to be patient, but there is like to me, when

1185
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 3: I touched six, it's like, oh my god, the value

1186
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 3: here is incredible. It's Stafford outdoors, that team outdoors on

1187
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 3: grass against a Tennessee team that I think people are

1188
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 3: like Chad, they didn't really think came Ward looked good

1189
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 3: where I couldn't believe how good he looked against that

1190
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 3: Bronco's defense. Like there was two different times where he

1191
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 3: got first downs using his legs and they called it

1192
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 3: back for holding. I do think the offensive line will

1193
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 3: get better at that. They'll either be call signs from

1194
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 3: the sideline like there's there's stuff they can do where

1195
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 3: they can yell out the note to let go right

1196
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 3: to not to let go when the defensive defender is

1197
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: pulling away because cam Ward is moving upfield. But you

1198
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 3: know his weird arm angle you saw give Calvin Rearly

1199
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 3: some problems, right, he had some major drops in that

1200
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 3: game again, stuff that I think is going to prove

1201
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 3: as go long.

1202
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 2: So to me, I just love this Tennessee team.

1203
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll make it, try to get you on the

1204
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 3: same side and may get our ballsy bet again. I

1205
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 3: just I can't get over the spot, the line value,

1206
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 3: and the fact that, like you just said it, I

1207
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 3: think I think the pros are joining the public on

1208
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 3: this rams side.

1209
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: This number is gonna.

1210
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 3: Keep going up so in case it doesn't grab the

1211
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 3: six now, but love this spot for a team that

1212
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 3: you know, the Rams, they they're skating right. They won

1213
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 3: their game, so they're not getting much hate, but they

1214
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 3: didn't look that good against Houston like that.

1215
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: That was really on CJ.

1216
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 3: Right, CJ sevelling for field goals and not getting touchdowns

1217
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 3: with the difference of that game in that first half,

1218
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 3: I think it was nine to seven and a half

1219
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 3: and then they didn't get at a point maybe the

1220
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 3: rest of the game that Houston team. So Rams defense

1221
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 3: could be very legit right now. There's really tough assignment

1222
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 3: for this offense in Tennessee. But honestly, I look at

1223
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 3: the match and I'm just like, there's there's ways for

1224
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 3: Tennessee to win this matchup attack this Rams team, and you.

1225
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: Know Rams coming off that big physical game.

1226
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 3: Now on the road, now outdoors, let the public keep

1227
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 3: button it up.

1228
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 2: Give me a higher than six.

1229
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 3: I'll take the six now, but at six and a half, Chat,

1230
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 3: I might might have to force this one in just

1231
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 3: be like we we might lose it because we know.

1232
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: The deal, right, it's our rookie year playing against Stafford.

1233
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: But too much respect for a Rams team that I

1234
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 3: think they got a little lucky in their Week one matchup,

1235
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 3: but I think their defense is being a little overrated

1236
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 3: now because of it.

1237
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: Philadelphia at Kansas City got a little line flip here.

1238
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: It opened at Chiefs one and a half on Sunday night,

1239
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: it is now Kansas City plus one. You liked the

1240
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: Eagles in this game, and we talked on Sunday night

1241
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: it has flipped. We don't love making that play when

1242
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: a team has gone from one point underdog to one

1243
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: point favorite. We did it with the Ravens. We bet

1244
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: them on Sunday night personally when it had gone from

1245
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: plus one to minus one. A little bit of a

1246
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: kick in the dick. But I think we just think

1247
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: the Eagles have a better roster here, and as you

1248
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: said the other night, I don't think they're practicing these

1249
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: past few days. Is they won a game. Meanwhile, the

1250
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: Chiefs have a rebuilt offensive line that was not very

1251
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: good and now they're going to play against an even

1252
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: angrier Jalen Carter like the Eagles were freakishly balanced in

1253
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: that game against the Cowboys in a way that really

1254
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: highlighted how we're in control of the offense. Jalen hurts

1255
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: Is and how they know their power. Their biggest issue

1256
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,439
Speaker 1: was the lack of discipline, which I believe they will

1257
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: fix because they know how much they can't get away

1258
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,439
Speaker 1: with that against a team like the Chiefs.

1259
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Eagles. I think it was some freakish thing.

1260
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: They look the most penalty yards in football in that

1261
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 3: first half against Dallas, Like just everything felt like is

1262
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 3: going wrong with that weather delay. And you know Carter

1263
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 3: plays that game no weather delay. You can see how

1264
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: there's ways that they just roll that Cowboys team, right,

1265
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 3: because obviously he's the difference in that middle between the

1266
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 3: run all of such a huge deal. You know, I

1267
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 3: look at this game and I am just I don't

1268
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 3: know about you, but it's like this. This is usually

1269
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 3: me and Chad Auto.

1270
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 2: Play the Chiefs like there's gonna be an.

1271
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 3: Underdog at home. I cannot see the public coming on

1272
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 3: this Chiefs team, honestly. I mean maybe in their teasers, right,

1273
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 3: if this gets up to one and a half, they'll

1274
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 3: throw them in up to seven and a half. But

1275
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 3: betting it's straight, I'm assuming it's going to just be

1276
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 3: all public money on this Eagles team as long as

1277
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 3: it's under three and I told Chad I agree with

1278
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 3: it on Sunday night, and I model it. I don't

1279
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 3: know if my model understands how big of a deal

1280
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 3: they're worthy out is. But it's had a pick so technically,

1281
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 3: you know, right now it's plus one at hard Rock.

1282
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 3: My model thinks there's value on this Chiefs team. I

1283
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 3: just disagree. I just I really dive into They look

1284
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 3: so slow defensively in many ways, and maybe that was

1285
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 3: because of the travel.

1286
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: But you know, I just their defense and spags.

1287
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 3: They didn't they didn't make adjustments that really wowed me,

1288
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 3: and there was feel like there was no move to

1289
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 3: make where this Eagles team can beat you in so

1290
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 3: many different ways, and they don't, like, you know, we

1291
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 3: might not have Dickerson. They might have you know, a

1292
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 3: substitute in there at the guard position, which is a

1293
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 3: big deal and that could be a huge game breaker

1294
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 3: for Kik Chris Jones. But it's like, offensively, I just

1295
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 3: don't know how the Chiefs keep up with them. Now,

1296
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: if you're out, you're number one, number two receiver and

1297
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 3: your running back, but check go is not the same guy,

1298
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 3: and you got a left you know tackle that's a rookie.

1299
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 3: It's like these things add up about this Chiefs team

1300
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 3: not being the team of the past that's getting so

1301
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 3: much respect. So it's hard. Chad, I really hate it

1302
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 3: because it feels so chalking. We're walking right into it,

1303
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 3: We're walking right into what we know. It just feels

1304
01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 3: like a trap.

1305
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 2: But this is a game.

1306
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wait on talk to people the books. I'm

1307
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 3: literally gonna be in the books all day today and

1308
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 3: just talking to people and see what the public is.

1309
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 3: When I'm assuming I'm in the Philadelphia area, everybody's just

1310
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 3: gonna be so about this Eagles team.

1311
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: It's gonna push me to love on this Chiefs team.

1312
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: I know it, but I'm.

1313
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 3: Trying to trying to keep it, keep it one hundred

1314
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 3: with everyone and just know that it's it's a game.

1315
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 2: I was confident with it.

1316
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 3: I guess Sunday night, I'm wavering a little bit just

1317
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 3: because everything about it.

1318
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 2: The alarms are going off.

1319
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 3: Where it's like this is a Chief spot, But I

1320
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 3: just I can't get over the fact is it a

1321
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 3: Chief spot? This is not the same Chiefs team of

1322
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 3: old that me and you blindly back like this is

1323
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 3: real hesitation. I just breaking it down. I don't know

1324
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 3: how they move the ball in this Eagles defense. This

1325
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 3: is again it's the good of the Chargers team is

1326
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 3: they're not as good as this Eagles defense across the board.

1327
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, revenge spot, super Bowl everything, I get it.

1328
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 3: But you know, me and Chat talked about that travel

1329
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 3: all of it. It's just it's so negative for this

1330
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 3: Chiefs team. And you know, it's hard to think, but

1331
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 3: then being on in two' that's a real thing right now.

1332
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: I think that's something that's actually gonna happen.

1333
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: Look, every year catches up right, and the key to

1334
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: winning at betting sometimes is catching the wave before it crests.

1335
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 1: And we're trying to do that with the Chiefs right now.

1336
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: And this might be the spot. Atlanta Minnesota, this is

1337
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: the Sunday night football game you still owe us a

1338
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: Simon says, second primetime game in a row for JJ McCarthy,

1339
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: second time being a primetime favorite in as many starts.

1340
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna call him JJ moxy. I'm going

1341
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: to coin that right now, trademarket. If you'd like to

1342
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: buy it from me, that's totally cool. I can sell

1343
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: it like it's the late nineties. Like I'm selling you know,

1344
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: internet names. Early money was on Atlanta, but then it

1345
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: all flipped after the game last night, the line up

1346
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: to five and a half for a minute and now

1347
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: has been brought back Atlanta. Sharper Square.

1348
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 3: Can't believe it, but Simon says, give me the Vikings

1349
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 3: minus four and a half.

1350
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: Wow, I know.

1351
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 2: And it's shocking that I would love such a public favorite.

1352
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 3: Honest, stay in that game. But I'm just grabbing this

1353
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 3: now in case it does go up to six.

1354
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 2: I just.

1355
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 3: Going back and watching that Atlanta team against the Bucks.

1356
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 3: Atlanta is going to have major issues, like they're they're

1357
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 3: all line banged up as it is. That's gonna be

1358
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 3: a problem now when you're going against you know, to

1359
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 3: me a great defense in the Vikings, that's what Like

1360
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 3: Gab took a.

1361
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 2: Lot of shit. He dodged a lot of sacks, like

1362
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 2: he had.

1363
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 3: Guys coming on in one on one and he was

1364
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 3: able to get out of the Penix doesn't move like that.

1365
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 2: Like Penix is not that type of.

1366
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 3: Guy in the pocket where if you get him off

1367
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 3: his spot, he struggles. And you know, when I look

1368
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 3: at this matchup, I wasn't rushing to bet Nick because

1369
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 3: I wanted to see what JJ could do. But they

1370
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 3: match up perfectly against this Atlanta team. They're gonna be

1371
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 3: able to run the ball for days like that. That's

1372
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 3: going to be very apparent to people early on this matchup.

1373
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 3: And you know, it's it's really about the number here.

1374
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 3: So to me, I have it at six, it's four

1375
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 3: and a half. I'll take the value on this one.

1376
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's I'm trying to switch it up because

1377
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 3: I was literally gonna go Tennessee. But I'm like, Okay,

1378
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 3: last week I made people take the Browns. Let me

1379
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 3: give them a favorite here. I think there's good value here,

1380
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 3: and I do think the public they'll back Atlanta. I

1381
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 3: honestly believe that. So to me, four and a half.

1382
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 3: It could go down. But I see the professionals like

1383
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 3: me getting in this end of their model this Vikings

1384
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 3: team and being like, wow, this team is legit, Like

1385
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 3: this is a really good team. And defensively, I think

1386
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 3: they're going to give the major problems to Penix in

1387
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 3: this Falcons offense that you know, other than Robinson busting

1388
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 3: off an insane catch for eighty yards and making everyone miss,

1389
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 3: I just did not look the way they looked. They

1390
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 3: just didn't look consistent against the Bucks. And you know Pennix,

1391
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 3: that was his fourth start. This is a very young

1392
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 3: quarterback now facing a Flora's defense on the road on

1393
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 3: Sunday night. So don't be shocked to why this number

1394
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 3: is so big. I'm telling you it should be closer

1395
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 3: to six. It's just the public right now. Like I'm

1396
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 3: looking at the splits, it's actually pretty heavy towards the

1397
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 3: Atlanta team. So, like Chad said, more maybe people wake

1398
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 3: up today, there'll be more towards this Vikings team. After

1399
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 3: that big comeback win, maybe more money will come in

1400
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 3: this Vikings team. But early money right now looks like

1401
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 3: it's all Falcons, just because people just don't believe in

1402
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 3: this Viking team that they should be this big of

1403
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 3: a favorite. Where I'm telling you it's a really bad

1404
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 3: spot for this Falcons seemed to be.

1405
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: In Melman likes Seattle on the road as a dog

1406
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: for Chad loves love and Simon says his Minnesota as

1407
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: a favorite and a prime time game. They're two Monday

1408
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: night games this week. Tampa Bay at Houston is the

1409
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: first one, Houston minus two and a half at hard Rock.

1410
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: I just thought all the games that these two teams

1411
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: played were both really strange. The Rams Texans was freakishly even,

1412
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: down to the same exact number of plays for each

1413
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: team total first downs, even the QBS missed this had

1414
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: the same number of incompletions. Meanwhile, Tampa Bay Atlanta could

1415
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: have ended regulation at twenty three if not for a

1416
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: missed field goal. So the line moved from one and

1417
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: a half to two and a half in the first

1418
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: twenty four hours in favor of the Texans. Why are

1419
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: people My first thought is that the professional betters are

1420
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: just more impressed with sort of how the Texans played

1421
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: the Rams than how the Bucks barely beat the Falcons.

1422
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 3: I'm shore with this too, and I've had like a

1423
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 3: couple of pros I talked to that was their first

1424
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 3: bet they made was Houston and imeer with did you

1425
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 3: I went back and watched the game because I know

1426
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 3: how much I love Tennessee where it's like, all right,

1427
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 3: I need to really watch this Rams game and see

1428
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,919
Speaker 3: this type of defense they're running here, and you know, Houston,

1429
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 3: we knew the deal. They're gonna have this incredible defense.

1430
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 3: Can they block for CJ? Can they have a running

1431
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 3: game again, Nick Chubb is not the answer, right. You

1432
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 3: saw how big of a deal it is that they

1433
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 3: just don't have a running back in that game. And

1434
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 3: you know, the Rams knew they were gonna have to

1435
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 3: beat them with their arm and CJ just couldn't do

1436
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 3: it right. Like I think Christian Kirk missed the game.

1437
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 3: He's started this kid Higgins, who's this rookie they drafted

1438
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 3: this year, and the plan of just doubling Collins and

1439
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 3: making CJ use these other guys it worked.

1440
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 2: They totally worked in that game. So I think that's

1441
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 2: what the Bucks will do here. We're getting plus three? Now?

1442
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 2: Are we suckers? Are we squares here?

1443
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 3: Because that's it feels like we're being suckers here because

1444
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, again, the same type of game.

1445
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 3: You look at the splits here, all the tickets are

1446
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 3: on the Bucks, but the money is heavy on this

1447
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 3: side of Houston.

1448
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 1: I like, it doesn't make any sense to me.

1449
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,759
Speaker 3: I just think they look at this where the it's

1450
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 3: it's Houston in a primetime game at home, in a

1451
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 3: spot of they can't lose, Like they can't lose, They're

1452
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 3: gonna be so much more desperate and hungry in this

1453
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,879
Speaker 3: exact spot in front of their fans where this historically

1454
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 3: feels like a type of games Baker and Tampa they

1455
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 3: do lose, right emotional road wind against a divisional FOAE

1456
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 3: in Atlanta. Now you're on the road again in a

1457
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 3: spot where you know they're gonna they're always gonna be desperate.

1458
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 3: We've seen that playing stuff from Baker. He's just so scrappy.

1459
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 3: He can play dead.

1460
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 2: For three quarters and just kill you in the fourth quarter.

1461
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's I think we're on the same page,

1462
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 3: like matchup wise, I can't believe this number is up

1463
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 3: to three now.

1464
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 2: It's like I have this at two.

1465
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 3: It's three. Obviously, I think there's value on the Bucks.

1466
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 3: I'm just waiting to be patient because I know we

1467
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 3: talk to more pros about this. I just can't believe

1468
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 3: they think so highly of this Houston's defense that way

1469
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 3: that they just totally think they're gonna shut down this

1470
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 3: Bucks offense. And even if you know CJ can't score

1471
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 3: more than one or two touchdowns, that's gonna be enough

1472
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 3: to win this game.

1473
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 2: Because that's that's honestly what they're saying back.

1474
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,480
Speaker 1: On their side, all right, last game Monday night football.

1475
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: We'll definitely discuss that one again on Thursday. We'll get

1476
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: some calls about it. I'm sure Chargers at Las Vegas Raiders.

1477
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 1: It had been at three and a half Sunday night.

1478
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: I leaned toward Vegas because of the hook, because it's

1479
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: the hook that brings you back. Shout out Blues Traveler.

1480
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: Now the line is three at hard Rocks, so someone's

1481
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:43,839
Speaker 1: taking the hook. Bruce Bowen, Bruce Bauers, I mean brock Bowers.

1482
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: I'm mixing up San Antonio Spurs ex players and Las

1483
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: Vegas Raiders tight ends. Brock Bowers said yesterday he was fine.

1484
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: I was just grabbing the hook. That feels like the

1485
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 1: sharp side to me. Not a strong opinion of this

1486
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: game is a three.

1487
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 3: Agree, don't force the people. There's three and a half's

1488
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 3: out there, go grab it. Like hard Rock, even in Jersey,

1489
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 3: the three and a half is gone, so it doesn't

1490
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 3: matter what state you're in, hard Rock that three is

1491
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 3: going to be where they're at.

1492
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 2: So we're in the same page. Like I like the Raiders.

1493
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 3: But going back and watching that Chargers game, I don't

1494
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 3: know if it is the Madison beer effect, but the

1495
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 3: confidence and swagger that Herbert had.

1496
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 2: My god, my god, Like that.

1497
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 3: Was everything we've been waiting to see right like because

1498
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 3: they put the stat up. The reason I'm a Herbert

1499
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 3: hater is because he had eleven straight games where he

1500
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 3: lost when the total points were under three. So if

1501
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 3: he's down by three, he had lost eleven straight games

1502
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 3: in that exact scenario. So to me, him stepping up

1503
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 3: big in that fourth quarter just totally alternating my brain

1504
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 3: with him right now, where it's like, even at this

1505
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 3: number three, I'm like, man, that's a Chargers line here.

1506
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 3: Like to me, they're pretty good, Like they're looking like

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01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 3: if they can put it together like they did against

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01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 3: that Chiefs team, they're gonna be a team that you know,

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01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 3: potentially will win this division because it's at the end

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01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 3: of the day, it's all on Herbert. People can make

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01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 3: excuses like you didn't have weapons, oh my god, the defense,

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01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 3: the coaching, I agree with all of it, but you

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01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 3: see the talent level of Herbert. There's a reason these

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01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 3: people who even though he's never done anything in his

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01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 3: entire career, make him a top five quarterback. Like the

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01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 3: raw talent, the athleticism, it is all there. So if

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01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 3: he's clicking. We got no prayer. We have no prayer

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01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 3: for this Vegas team if he is clicking like he

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01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 3: was against that Chiefs team. Because you know, I get

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01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 3: our love for this Raiders team. They beat Drake May like.

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01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 3: That's that like their secondary, that's their biggest weakness. It

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01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 3: wasn't truly tested, right, Stefan Diggs did impress them Like

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01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 3: Lad McConkie. He's from a different planet compared to Steph

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01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 3: on Digs at this as this point in his career,

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01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 3: So I'm glad we're not forcing this one in you

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01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 3: know three and a half that was staring at me.

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Speaker 2: I think the same thing as you on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Night, where it's like that it's really good value on

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01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 3: this Raiders team, and it was all about Bowers. If

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01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 3: Bowers is good to go, that makes it even better

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01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 3: of a number. But at three two and a half,

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01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 3: I'm leaning towards the Charger's time. I literally have this

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01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 3: number three. So at three I won't force it, but

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01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 3: I do like charges at three minus two and a half.

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01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 3: But at three and a half, if I got to

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01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 3: make a play on it, to me, that's the value.

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Speaker 2: That's that Raiders number all right.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I skipped any games. I got them all.

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Speaker 1: We got a list to review, really fascinating lists, some

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Speaker 1: further into the conversation with betting? How do they shape

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