WEBVTT - Episode 9 - Life After Prison 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:07.760 I feel like people when their fathers are in prison, 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:11.200 like give them that respect or anything. But I just 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.880 feel like my dad is a good person and I 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:17.799 get all my inspiration from him, because like he's a 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:18.279 good father. 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:19.560 You know. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.120 Hey, it's fifty cents and I'm Charlie Webster. 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.880 This is Survive and El Chapel, twins who brought down 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:40.280 a druglord Season two. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.559 At forty years old, Jane Peter were now free men 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.000 in the US, something that hadn't been since they escaped 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:00.600 to Mexico as fugitives nearly twenty years before they were 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.720 united with their families that they started new life, But 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.240 as seems to be the case with the twins, the 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.279 consequences of their decision are. 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:09.520 Always waiting around the corner. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.039 Just as Je and Peter were starting to get used 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.039 to another version of their life, everything changed again. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.480 Even though the al Chapo case was well and truly done, 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:24.160 the government hadn't forgotten about the Flora's family. 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:26.920 In April of. 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:31.920 Twenty twenty one, the federal governments brought criminal charges against 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:33.920 Valenviv for money laundering. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.160 SWAT teams arrived at their home, searching the house and 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:39.440 took valance of a way. 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.440 They were so aggressive. They even cuffed some of the. 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:47.160 Children with the permission of their parents. And many conversations 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.560 over the phone with the kids, I asked if they 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:51.560 wanted to share what things have been like for them 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:52.200 on tape. 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.440 I got them all together and we sat on the 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.160 floor and started talking. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.280 If you of us kind of sat and spoke life, 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.280 it's been alltogether. 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:08.960 You want to talk about this, I think for me, 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:16.359 just especially like I me that happened recently, I got 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:17.680 like a PTS on it. 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.000 I don't like, I didn't want them to like see 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:27.000 me panic and be scared, and so I was trying 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:28.440 to be like, everything's gonna be okay. 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:34.720 You know, it's just really difficult. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.280 They just like came in handcuffed everybody but let me 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:47.840 in her and she's been before and so I just 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.280 kind of try to listen to her. So that it 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.680 was hard for me becauldn't see my mom be a 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:54.520 treat of that. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:57.840 Ahead, and. 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:03.720 Especially my dad being handcuffed. I think I will see 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:09.040 that again, and I just wait, don't be excuing my 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.600 hand wake when he was in a visit pak haircuffed. 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.960 That's Pete's children talking their son. 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.200 The one who was born the first year Pete was 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.920 in prison, and the youngest daughter who you heard in 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:24.480 the last episode, as well as Pete's oldest She lived 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.400 with Pete and Viv on and off in Mexico. Unlike 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.960 the other children, she knew some of what their life 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:34.520 was like before prison. We won't name any of the 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.680 children or give any details about them so as to 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.400 protect their identities. We'll pick back up with Pete and 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.520 Viv's son and youngest daughter talking about what it was 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.480 like to visit their dad in prison. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:52.760 Was he always handcuffed when you when they opened the door, 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:54.160 they would take it off it. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:59.960 There those specific procedures like that you read this rule 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.040 where we could only hug for like thirty seconds and 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.800 then we got this day like like far apart from 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.440 each other, so it would be on the back of 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.680 the wall, and then we would be more out fourt 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:18.600 him because there's like sap issues. He couldn't get to 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:22.440 the vending machines because remember it's like a box room 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:24.760 with two vending machines and a couple of chairs and 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.640 probably like three tubes, and then the guard, so they 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.040 wouldn't be able to go by the vending machine. Or 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.360 by the microwave or and then. 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.480 It was just like it to feel like because. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.680 Going like we move on to a lot of visiting rooms, 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.240 and I remember that one that it was just like 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.039 I was so uncomfortable the whole time to go visit. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:54.320 And I remember your tug he didn't have his uniform 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.400 on like this one day and I never saw him 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.040 like his uniform on and if she was just wearing 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.080 a white plain T shirt and his grace wits, and 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.400 I will even have been like, oh my gosh, yeah 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.120 that was like old who normal, Like we had to 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:15.880 live with these specific procedures of taking off her shoes alright, 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:20.320 no hair our boats in our hair cutting up in 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.360 the little thing, huh box. 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.480 I used to know I was like the luckiest person 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.240 because I never had to take my shoes off. I 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.880 think it was because I was probably youngest, so I 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:37.880 never had to take them off and put them back on. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.600 But as I got older, I how to do it. 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.400 I remember like every weekend of the guards to be like, 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.719 we'll see you next weekend and we'll make sure remind 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.119 them to fill up with any more shoes. 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:53.880 I feel like a lot of time. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.680 Tried to fit in like months of parenting into like 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.640 a week and visit for like eight hours and less 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.600 than that and so a lot of time. Like it 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.840 was just like a constant like lecture and it was 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.600 just like constant real life. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.760 In real life. He was just trying like make up 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:15.200 like what he was there for. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:19.719 But I think with us too. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.320 I think with Bell and I I think that Peena 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:22.839 and Jr. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:27.480 Are really guilty of just trying to just teach us 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.640 something just or make us feel better, being these positive 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.919 people in our lives even though kind of everything is crumbling, 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:38.000 you know, right under us, but you know, just trying 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.960 to be that positive reinforcement in our lives even though 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.560 they're sitting there in prison. And I think that's where 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:48.400 we see that they decision that they made. They went 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.120 in there with their whole hearts and they knew that 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:52.800 this was going to be the best thing for us. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.520 So I remember. 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.680 I would write stuff, stuff down and then school notebook too. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.360 If I thought about something to tell my dad, then 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:04.920 I would like rip it out on my out book 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.440 and I would bring it to go see him because 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.400 I was like, because I would. 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:13.400 Forget Pete's daughter had so much to talk to her 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.840 dad about that. She kept a list, she wrote everything 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.760 down so that she wouldn't forget. She'd have to wait 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.880 a whole week between visits, and even though Pete was 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.840 able to call home during the week, he only had 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.440 a three hundred minute phone allowance each month. 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.120 If I remember something on Monday, I was like, oh 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:36.000 my gosh, he's like enough minutes to talk about this conversation. 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:41.040 Because we got only three hundred minutes each month, especially 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.120 in like Novembers, it would be hard because all my 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.440 siblings for days written November, so then it would be like, 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:53.120 what five minutes each week? Yeah, it was like at 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:54.400 least five minutes each week. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.400 Three hundred minutes sounds like a lot, but when you 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.360 break it down, it's sixteen minutes a week. That's less 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.480 than ten minutes a day, and that time has to 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.280 be split between the entire family. To make it even harder, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:13.640 standard policy in federal US prisons limits phone calls to 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.960 a maximum of fifteen minutes at a time, and you 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.920 have to wait at least an hour between calls. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:24.200 I remember very well my dad would say, I'm going 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.120 to give you an off day. I was like, what 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:32.600 is that? Because I knew that he felt guilty because 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.120 we were there every single weekend. But then I remember 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:36.920 I was like, no, I want to go and see you. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:41.480 Like I would skip every friend's birthday party and be 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.080 like no, I'm sorry, I can't, or i would skip 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.160 my sports or my dance events because I'm like, no, 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.320 I'm going to go see my dad, like this is 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.839 my time. And as much as like you know how 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.959 like people say like self care night or like alone time, 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:02.440 like him just talking to us, playing playing like with us, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:07.000 or like watching movies or anything, was like a nice 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:13.680 unload the whole because the family felt complete every time 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.120 we sat down together. And even though it wasn't a 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.199 way that we wanted to be together, we were still seeing. 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:25.280 It was always like a weird transition to go from 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.720 like being with our mom like in a completely different 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:32.440 place and like going to see my dad, and it 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.959 was like always like really living like two separate worlds. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.800 And I think sometimes, especially as we were getting older, 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.240 it was a lot harder because we were like, oh, 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:45.080 like we have friends, we want like do you think 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.240 there was like but we had to be there, like 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:52.880 was our dad, So I think that battle like, yeah, I. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:54.079 Still choose to come. 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.520 And I remember Mom, She's like, you are going to 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.040 see your dad. That's your dad, and like you have 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:03.960 to like spend time with like the sick his time 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:06.120 with you. Guys. 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.320 Having friends was a continuous problem. There was always a 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.760 risk that through the children, the twins' identity and location 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.680 could be exposed. Pete's youngest daughter was once forced to 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.320 leave her school almost immediately when the family found out 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.200 that her friend's dad worked as one of Pete's prison guards. 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.200 The kids could never get too close to anyone. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.600 I would tell people like I moved from somewhere and 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.880 they'll be like why, I don't know. My parents are 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.400 very adventurous, you know. And then when I say that 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.199 I'm like born there, they're like, how why are you here? 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:43.440 Then? 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.560 Oh, then I had to like figure out something. 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.440 I had this like responsibility to keep the secret. I 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.640 thought when I was sing her was like protecting my family. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.760 Something bad would happened, and so is always like that. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:09.640 Had to lie a lot, feel that's a lie. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:10.480 Yeah. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.680 I just remember lying to last school, like where's your dad, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.640 Like he's doing work in California? 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:19.559 Like a story. 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.560 I remember we were in a store and this guy 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.200 came up to us and asked us a question randomly. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.920 He's like, where's where's your dad? And I would be like, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.480 he's in New York or now he's a construction worker, 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:39.360 and just yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's where he is. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.000 We always had to get like we had to make 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.439 sure that our story is kind of like connect because 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.360 if one said something different, we all had to make 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.920 sure that it matches because she'll get like suspicions. 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:52.280 Was getting nervous. 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.559 I said, like, my dad lives somewhere, and then someone 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.920 happened to have lived somewhere, some boiler lives and they 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:58.720 asked me about it, and I'd be like, oh, like 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.880 I actually have no idea what the neighborhood is called. 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:07.680 I think that when he switched schools, it was I 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.839 feel difficult in some way, but you couldn't find a 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:16.800 real friend because you're gonna keep switching and switching, so 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.760 you're never gonna find that real friend. 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:23.360 I feel like, even if we did have friends and 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:28.040 we created this friendship, I part of me knew that 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:33.680 is we're gonna have to like ghost them somehow, some way. 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.040 And you guys like that for like all of us, 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.040 like we all were like I would hate talking to parents. 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.800 Even now, I hate talking to parents. They asked too 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:43.240 many questions. 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.840 My old school uh, I was there for like the 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:52.760 long time, and then when we had to leave, I 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.720 just like didn't like doing because I've changed schools, I 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.319 think four times already. I just don't feel doing that again. 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:01.840 That's Jay's youngest son. 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.800 Jay and Val have two sons, and the youngest was 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.360 less than two months old when Jay went into prison. 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.400 The other just a toddler. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:16.200 Baby the kit there. 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.480 I have said, my love, have we paid call? 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.440 You have a lot of charge for this call. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.720 This car is from. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.600 And in a fit away prison. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:28.920 He Laddy, thank you for your books? 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:29.760 Tell you. 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:32.480 Baby? 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:33.520 Hey, love? 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:34.400 How are you all? 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:36.720 Yeah? 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:38.120 He wants to say something. 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.959 Okay, thank you. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:41.640 You're welcome. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:42.080 Daddy. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:42.880 How are you mean? 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:46.920 Yeah? 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:47.560 House cool? 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:48.120 Daddy? 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.199 You like daddy? 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.800 I love you. I love him? 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:59.760 If you're dad, Hello, baby, baby's funny lovely? 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:00.920 Don't for good? 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:02.480 Long? Oh? 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:09.400 Okay, so hi daddy, come o, Hi Hi Danny, Hi dud. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.480 Hi daddy, Hi Davy. 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:12.559 I love you. 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:14.040 Oh yes, I love you. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.120 Jay's youngest didn't even know his own father's real name 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.040 until he got out of prison when prison officers would 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:39.240 use Jay's initials m F. Margarito Flores, his youngest had 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:40.520 no idea what they meant. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.280 Yeah, I remember the officer would say, like when we 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.200 would enter the visit, enter the prison, they would say 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:53.640 his name. I was like, why is Why is m F. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.880 I was really confused, and he was like, it's just 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.120 a name that they gave me when I entered. So 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:05.440 I just didn't really think about that. I just remember 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.400 him telling me that he was going to come home, 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.200 and I didn't really understand. So I was kind of 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:13.520 just like listening in shock. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.600 Yeah, I can imagine, especially because you only. 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.960 Know, Yeah, I only I knew him from there from 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:24.520 the visit, So. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:28.000 Yeah, what was it like when he actually came home? 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:30.360 You weren't used to. 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.120 That, right, I just feel like really different. 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:35.720 Yeah in what way? 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.040 It's just like a way different envitoment and different people 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:44.560 and him just being able to like like hug you 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.680 or like just like be with you. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.320 It was a big adjustment when the twins came home. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:55.120 Jay's youngest son had never known his dad outside of prison, 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.600 neither her Pete's youngest son and daughter. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.680 Then he came home, like I remember him just like 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:07.560 what he was like mesme eyes by everything, and like 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:09.720 I was teaching him how to use the phone, like 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.840 how to do this, you know. And I was so 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:14.840 like shocked that he was home that I would just 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.280 want like I would look at him. I couldn't believe 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.480 that he was someone. I just like remember him sitting 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.560 on the couch and I was like, it's so weird, 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.200 that's just not normal. I felt like he would he 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.320 came and said can I And I just got like 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.040 so freaked. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:32.440 Out because I was like, oh my gosh. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.120 I remember like when he first came home. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:39.320 I spent months just like wanting to like be there, 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.160 like followed him around like anything. 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:47.200 He got a hairbut togethers at a bike shop, and 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:52.200 bikes were my dad's favorite thing. Now every day, like 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.320 I go downstairs and then I see white out with 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:59.280 his coffee, dark coffee, his daily devotional and his Bible 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.960 with this on and his pjamas because it's a worry 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:05.040 so it's crazy. 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.159 I like I get to wake up to that. 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:07.840 Now. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.080 I just feel like my dad did like such a 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.080 great job, even like in a small businesing room being 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.280 washed by your guard. My mom and dad put a 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.639 lot of time into us and uh and so to 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:24.919 feel my aunt, they put a lot of time into 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:29.159 their kids. That's like a resemblance in this family and 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:33.760 how good of parents they are and they could put 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.280 the most important things inside, but their kids are there 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.399 just their main part of their family. 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:45.240 I think it's also actually a lot about you all 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.199 sat here, because I think your parents have done a 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.720 great job, but it says a lot about you too. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.640 It's not just your parents, it's what's inside you too. 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.200 The fact that you can sit and talk like this 0:17:58.320 --> 0:17:59.600 and it's like really mature. 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:02.360 Yeah. I think that, Like. 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.439 It's not like we shouldn't forget about going to visit 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.280 our parents every weekend, and it's something that we should 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:15.560 continue to remember because it was part of our childhood 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.080 and there are a lot of life lessons and memories 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:23.120 and experiences that although it wasn't in the best environment, 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:28.160 it was still important. There's a lot of parents out 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.800 there who we probably were able to hear our dads 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:36.800 more than other kids, and we were lucky enough to 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.919 have like the experiences we had because we still had 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.960 great times, like we would watch movies, we would play 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:47.000 board games, and we would talk about like TV shows 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.520 or music and what songs we were listening to and 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.119 so or like how our school day was, and we 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.280 should be thankful that we were able to have those 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:57.840 because a lot of other children don't. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:06.280 I find it amazing that you're so like grateful for 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:07.840 the you know. 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.600 The way you're talking is like, you know, even what 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:12.520 you just said, You're like, we're blessed to have that. 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.960 Is there any any part of you, any of you 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:20.040 do do you feel angry at all? And I think 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.120 anger is okay, you know, it's not a bad thing, 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:24.359 you know. I just wonder if any of you feel 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:25.240 angry at all. 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.760 I just like I'm I'm. 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:32.040 Not angry with my dad ever did in this past, 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.600 But I feel like I was angry for the time, 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:42.600 but I feel like every moment was just like a blessing. 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.639 But I will never be angry with my dad for 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.440 something like that. How about you. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.000 I think during the time and during all those years, 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.520 I was angry, and like I remember, I would cry 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.920 every time, like every Sunday after when we have to leave. 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.399 But like now reflecting back on it, I'm thankful because 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.600 like it could be way worse. We have such like 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:12.920 great connection to our parents, and we have so much 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.880 love for each other, and I'm just thankful that. 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.159 Yeah, I think like growing up like there probably was 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.600 like a point where like I don't know, like I 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.000 feel like when I was younger, I learned about everything. 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:28.080 It's kind of like, oh, why would they do that? 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:30.919 And I didn't really like understand at first, and like 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:35.920 sometimes I angry, but I'm just feel like at least 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:40.880 I have them. 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.040 And it's just really changed things. 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.320 Like you're grateful, what like at least like they're here. 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.160 Are you glad they actually did what they did? 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.679 Are you glad that they they did go to prison 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.360 so that they don't live like what you've heard? 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.960 Yeah, Like some just think like if they did it, 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:02.840 like we all, could I be here. It's just like 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:04.480 that really like changes it. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.480 Or if they don't turn themselves in and they have 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.280 to be able, the police have to go get them 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.199 and get they get caught one time, then for that 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.800 it's just like life. Probably, So. 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.359 Even though the twins are home, the kids have lived 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:27.960 in fight and flight, their whole lives always on edge, 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:32.000 in constant stress and fear. Living in this heightened state 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.320 of trauma isn't something that just goes away overnight. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:40.840 It's like just hear the like doors like they're coming. 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:45.240 You kind of almost listen out for sounds. 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:49.080 Even like a ring on the door belt, and I 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:51.679 like have gone like test some doorbell and just like 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:53.040 walk up and I'm like, what are you doing? 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.919 Where are you going to hide? I remember I was 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.359 just like, so we'll be eatiot dinner at our table. 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.080 We're like just being anywhere in the house and I 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:08.000 hear a doorbell, and my mom and my dad was 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.920 just like, they just don't go towards the door, just 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:14.000 high and then they'll go look and see if feels anyone. 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:16.960 And yeah, when I would go to my friend's house 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.199 and so where they just go straight up and just 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:21.960 open And I was like, I was so confused. 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.480 Even I'm like, you're in the car, you see someone 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:26.200 like a car following you for too long. 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:32.399 So like like when my dad was in prison, all 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.760 when we my mom will hear doorbell, all three of 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.800 us would just look at each other and then we'll 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.880 go and me and my sister would go. My mom 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.080 would open it, and I'm being like a package delivered. 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.040 And it's crazy because like we had to live through 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:54.400 that anxiety. 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.600