Speaker 1: I feel like people when their fathers are in prison,
Speaker 1: like give them that respect or anything. But I just
Speaker 1: feel like my dad is a good person and I
Speaker 1: get all my inspiration from him, because like he's a
Speaker 1: good father.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's fifty cents and I'm Charlie Webster.
Speaker 4: This is Survive and El Chapel, twins who brought down
Speaker 4: a druglord Season two.
Speaker 5: At forty years old, Jane Peter were now free men
Speaker 5: in the US, something that hadn't been since they escaped
Speaker 5: to Mexico as fugitives nearly twenty years before they were
Speaker 5: united with their families that they started new life, But
Speaker 5: as seems to be the case with the twins, the
Speaker 5: consequences of their decision are.
Speaker 2: Always waiting around the corner.
Speaker 5: Just as Je and Peter were starting to get used
Speaker 5: to another version of their life, everything changed again.
Speaker 4: Even though the al Chapo case was well and truly done,
Speaker 4: the government hadn't forgotten about the Flora's family.
Speaker 3: In April of.
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty one, the federal governments brought criminal charges against
Speaker 4: Valenviv for money laundering.
Speaker 5: SWAT teams arrived at their home, searching the house and
Speaker 5: took valance of a way.
Speaker 2: They were so aggressive. They even cuffed some of the.
Speaker 4: Children with the permission of their parents. And many conversations
Speaker 4: over the phone with the kids, I asked if they
Speaker 4: wanted to share what things have been like for them
Speaker 4: on tape.
Speaker 3: I got them all together and we sat on the
Speaker 3: floor and started talking.
Speaker 6: If you of us kind of sat and spoke life,
Speaker 6: it's been alltogether.
Speaker 7: You want to talk about this, I think for me,
Speaker 7: just especially like I me that happened recently, I got
Speaker 7: like a PTS on it.
Speaker 8: I don't like, I didn't want them to like see
Speaker 8: me panic and be scared, and so I was trying
Speaker 8: to be like, everything's gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just really difficult.
Speaker 9: They just like came in handcuffed everybody but let me
Speaker 9: in her and she's been before and so I just
Speaker 9: kind of try to listen to her. So that it
Speaker 9: was hard for me becauldn't see my mom be a
Speaker 9: treat of that.
Speaker 8: Ahead, and.
Speaker 9: Especially my dad being handcuffed. I think I will see
Speaker 9: that again, and I just wait, don't be excuing my
Speaker 9: hand wake when he was in a visit pak haircuffed.
Speaker 3: That's Pete's children talking their son.
Speaker 4: The one who was born the first year Pete was
Speaker 4: in prison, and the youngest daughter who you heard in
Speaker 4: the last episode, as well as Pete's oldest She lived
Speaker 4: with Pete and Viv on and off in Mexico. Unlike
Speaker 4: the other children, she knew some of what their life
Speaker 4: was like before prison. We won't name any of the
Speaker 4: children or give any details about them so as to
Speaker 4: protect their identities. We'll pick back up with Pete and
Speaker 4: Viv's son and youngest daughter talking about what it was
Speaker 4: like to visit their dad in prison.
Speaker 10: Was he always handcuffed when you when they opened the door,
Speaker 10: they would take it off it.
Speaker 11: There those specific procedures like that you read this rule
Speaker 11: where we could only hug for like thirty seconds and
Speaker 11: then we got this day like like far apart from
Speaker 11: each other, so it would be on the back of
Speaker 11: the wall, and then we would be more out fourt
Speaker 11: him because there's like sap issues. He couldn't get to
Speaker 11: the vending machines because remember it's like a box room
Speaker 11: with two vending machines and a couple of chairs and
Speaker 11: probably like three tubes, and then the guard, so they
Speaker 11: wouldn't be able to go by the vending machine. Or
Speaker 11: by the microwave or and then.
Speaker 12: It was just like it to feel like because.
Speaker 11: Going like we move on to a lot of visiting rooms,
Speaker 11: and I remember that one that it was just like
Speaker 11: I was so uncomfortable the whole time to go visit.
Speaker 11: And I remember your tug he didn't have his uniform
Speaker 11: on like this one day and I never saw him
Speaker 11: like his uniform on and if she was just wearing
Speaker 11: a white plain T shirt and his grace wits, and
Speaker 11: I will even have been like, oh my gosh, yeah
Speaker 11: that was like old who normal, Like we had to
Speaker 11: live with these specific procedures of taking off her shoes alright,
Speaker 11: no hair our boats in our hair cutting up in
Speaker 11: the little thing, huh box.
Speaker 1: I used to know I was like the luckiest person
Speaker 1: because I never had to take my shoes off. I
Speaker 1: think it was because I was probably youngest, so I
Speaker 1: never had to take them off and put them back on.
Speaker 1: But as I got older, I how to do it.
Speaker 11: I remember like every weekend of the guards to be like,
Speaker 11: we'll see you next weekend and we'll make sure remind
Speaker 11: them to fill up with any more shoes.
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of time.
Speaker 13: Tried to fit in like months of parenting into like
Speaker 13: a week and visit for like eight hours and less
Speaker 13: than that and so a lot of time. Like it
Speaker 13: was just like a constant like lecture and it was
Speaker 13: just like constant real life.
Speaker 2: In real life. He was just trying like make up
Speaker 2: like what he was there for.
Speaker 12: But I think with us too.
Speaker 8: I think with Bell and I I think that Peena
Speaker 8: and Jr.
Speaker 11: Are really guilty of just trying to just teach us
Speaker 11: something just or make us feel better, being these positive
Speaker 11: people in our lives even though kind of everything is crumbling,
Speaker 11: you know, right under us, but you know, just trying
Speaker 11: to be that positive reinforcement in our lives even though
Speaker 11: they're sitting there in prison. And I think that's where
Speaker 11: we see that they decision that they made. They went
Speaker 11: in there with their whole hearts and they knew that
Speaker 11: this was going to be the best thing for us.
Speaker 7: So I remember.
Speaker 11: I would write stuff, stuff down and then school notebook too.
Speaker 11: If I thought about something to tell my dad, then
Speaker 11: I would like rip it out on my out book
Speaker 11: and I would bring it to go see him because
Speaker 11: I was like, because I would.
Speaker 4: Forget Pete's daughter had so much to talk to her
Speaker 4: dad about that. She kept a list, she wrote everything
Speaker 4: down so that she wouldn't forget. She'd have to wait
Speaker 4: a whole week between visits, and even though Pete was
Speaker 4: able to call home during the week, he only had
Speaker 4: a three hundred minute phone allowance each month.
Speaker 11: If I remember something on Monday, I was like, oh
Speaker 11: my gosh, he's like enough minutes to talk about this conversation.
Speaker 11: Because we got only three hundred minutes each month, especially
Speaker 11: in like Novembers, it would be hard because all my
Speaker 11: siblings for days written November, so then it would be like,
Speaker 11: what five minutes each week? Yeah, it was like at
Speaker 11: least five minutes each week.
Speaker 4: Three hundred minutes sounds like a lot, but when you
Speaker 4: break it down, it's sixteen minutes a week. That's less
Speaker 4: than ten minutes a day, and that time has to
Speaker 4: be split between the entire family. To make it even harder,
Speaker 4: standard policy in federal US prisons limits phone calls to
Speaker 4: a maximum of fifteen minutes at a time, and you
Speaker 4: have to wait at least an hour between calls.
Speaker 11: I remember very well my dad would say, I'm going
Speaker 11: to give you an off day. I was like, what
Speaker 11: is that? Because I knew that he felt guilty because
Speaker 11: we were there every single weekend. But then I remember
Speaker 11: I was like, no, I want to go and see you.
Speaker 11: Like I would skip every friend's birthday party and be
Speaker 11: like no, I'm sorry, I can't, or i would skip
Speaker 11: my sports or my dance events because I'm like, no,
Speaker 11: I'm going to go see my dad, like this is
Speaker 11: my time. And as much as like you know how
Speaker 11: like people say like self care night or like alone time,
Speaker 11: like him just talking to us, playing playing like with us,
Speaker 11: or like watching movies or anything, was like a nice
Speaker 11: unload the whole because the family felt complete every time
Speaker 11: we sat down together. And even though it wasn't a
Speaker 11: way that we wanted to be together, we were still seeing.
Speaker 13: It was always like a weird transition to go from
Speaker 13: like being with our mom like in a completely different
Speaker 13: place and like going to see my dad, and it
Speaker 13: was like always like really living like two separate worlds.
Speaker 13: And I think sometimes, especially as we were getting older,
Speaker 13: it was a lot harder because we were like, oh,
Speaker 13: like we have friends, we want like do you think
Speaker 13: there was like but we had to be there, like
Speaker 13: was our dad, So I think that battle like, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Still choose to come.
Speaker 13: And I remember Mom, She's like, you are going to
Speaker 13: see your dad. That's your dad, and like you have
Speaker 13: to like spend time with like the sick his time
Speaker 13: with you. Guys.
Speaker 4: Having friends was a continuous problem. There was always a
Speaker 4: risk that through the children, the twins' identity and location
Speaker 4: could be exposed. Pete's youngest daughter was once forced to
Speaker 4: leave her school almost immediately when the family found out
Speaker 4: that her friend's dad worked as one of Pete's prison guards.
Speaker 4: The kids could never get too close to anyone.
Speaker 11: I would tell people like I moved from somewhere and
Speaker 11: they'll be like why, I don't know. My parents are
Speaker 11: very adventurous, you know. And then when I say that
Speaker 11: I'm like born there, they're like, how why are you here?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 11: Oh, then I had to like figure out something.
Speaker 13: I had this like responsibility to keep the secret. I
Speaker 13: thought when I was sing her was like protecting my family.
Speaker 13: Something bad would happened, and so is always like that.
Speaker 14: Had to lie a lot, feel that's a lie.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I just remember lying to last school, like where's your dad,
Speaker 9: Like he's doing work in California?
Speaker 2: Like a story.
Speaker 11: I remember we were in a store and this guy
Speaker 11: came up to us and asked us a question randomly.
Speaker 11: He's like, where's where's your dad? And I would be like,
Speaker 11: he's in New York or now he's a construction worker,
Speaker 11: and just yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's where he is.
Speaker 11: We always had to get like we had to make
Speaker 11: sure that our story is kind of like connect because
Speaker 11: if one said something different, we all had to make
Speaker 11: sure that it matches because she'll get like suspicions.
Speaker 2: Was getting nervous.
Speaker 13: I said, like, my dad lives somewhere, and then someone
Speaker 13: happened to have lived somewhere, some boiler lives and they
Speaker 13: asked me about it, and I'd be like, oh, like
Speaker 13: I actually have no idea what the neighborhood is called.
Speaker 10: I think that when he switched schools, it was I
Speaker 10: feel difficult in some way, but you couldn't find a
Speaker 10: real friend because you're gonna keep switching and switching, so
Speaker 10: you're never gonna find that real friend.
Speaker 11: I feel like, even if we did have friends and
Speaker 11: we created this friendship, I part of me knew that
Speaker 11: is we're gonna have to like ghost them somehow, some way.
Speaker 13: And you guys like that for like all of us,
Speaker 13: like we all were like I would hate talking to parents.
Speaker 13: Even now, I hate talking to parents. They asked too
Speaker 13: many questions.
Speaker 9: My old school uh, I was there for like the
Speaker 9: long time, and then when we had to leave, I
Speaker 9: just like didn't like doing because I've changed schools, I
Speaker 9: think four times already. I just don't feel doing that again.
Speaker 3: That's Jay's youngest son.
Speaker 4: Jay and Val have two sons, and the youngest was
Speaker 4: less than two months old when Jay went into prison.
Speaker 3: The other just a toddler.
Speaker 15: Baby the kit there.
Speaker 12: I have said, my love, have we paid call?
Speaker 16: You have a lot of charge for this call.
Speaker 11: This car is from.
Speaker 16: And in a fit away prison.
Speaker 2: He Laddy, thank you for your books?
Speaker 8: Tell you.
Speaker 4: Baby?
Speaker 17: Hey, love?
Speaker 12: How are you all?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 17: He wants to say something.
Speaker 13: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Daddy.
Speaker 18: How are you mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 13: House cool?
Speaker 2: Daddy?
Speaker 8: You like daddy?
Speaker 2: I love you. I love him?
Speaker 16: If you're dad, Hello, baby, baby's funny lovely?
Speaker 19: Don't for good?
Speaker 13: Long? Oh?
Speaker 12: Okay, so hi daddy, come o, Hi Hi Danny, Hi dud.
Speaker 13: Hi daddy, Hi Davy.
Speaker 18: I love you.
Speaker 8: Oh yes, I love you.
Speaker 4: Jay's youngest didn't even know his own father's real name
Speaker 4: until he got out of prison when prison officers would
Speaker 4: use Jay's initials m F. Margarito Flores, his youngest had
Speaker 4: no idea what they meant.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I remember the officer would say, like when we
Speaker 9: would enter the visit, enter the prison, they would say
Speaker 9: his name. I was like, why is Why is m F.
Speaker 9: I was really confused, and he was like, it's just
Speaker 9: a name that they gave me when I entered. So
Speaker 9: I just didn't really think about that. I just remember
Speaker 9: him telling me that he was going to come home,
Speaker 9: and I didn't really understand. So I was kind of
Speaker 9: just like listening in shock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine, especially because you only.
Speaker 9: Know, Yeah, I only I knew him from there from
Speaker 9: the visit, So.
Speaker 17: Yeah, what was it like when he actually came home?
Speaker 18: You weren't used to.
Speaker 9: That, right, I just feel like really different.
Speaker 20: Yeah in what way?
Speaker 9: It's just like a way different envitoment and different people
Speaker 9: and him just being able to like like hug you
Speaker 9: or like just like be with you.
Speaker 4: It was a big adjustment when the twins came home.
Speaker 4: Jay's youngest son had never known his dad outside of prison,
Speaker 4: neither her Pete's youngest son and daughter.
Speaker 11: Then he came home, like I remember him just like
Speaker 11: what he was like mesme eyes by everything, and like
Speaker 11: I was teaching him how to use the phone, like
Speaker 11: how to do this, you know. And I was so
Speaker 11: like shocked that he was home that I would just
Speaker 11: want like I would look at him. I couldn't believe
Speaker 11: that he was someone. I just like remember him sitting
Speaker 11: on the couch and I was like, it's so weird,
Speaker 11: that's just not normal. I felt like he would he
Speaker 11: came and said can I And I just got like
Speaker 11: so freaked.
Speaker 2: Out because I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 12: I remember like when he first came home.
Speaker 13: I spent months just like wanting to like be there,
Speaker 13: like followed him around like anything.
Speaker 1: He got a hairbut togethers at a bike shop, and
Speaker 1: bikes were my dad's favorite thing. Now every day, like
Speaker 1: I go downstairs and then I see white out with
Speaker 1: his coffee, dark coffee, his daily devotional and his Bible
Speaker 1: with this on and his pjamas because it's a worry
Speaker 1: so it's crazy.
Speaker 2: I like I get to wake up to that.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 1: I just feel like my dad did like such a
Speaker 1: great job, even like in a small businesing room being
Speaker 1: washed by your guard. My mom and dad put a
Speaker 1: lot of time into us and uh and so to
Speaker 1: feel my aunt, they put a lot of time into
Speaker 1: their kids. That's like a resemblance in this family and
Speaker 1: how good of parents they are and they could put
Speaker 1: the most important things inside, but their kids are there
Speaker 1: just their main part of their family.
Speaker 6: I think it's also actually a lot about you all
Speaker 6: sat here, because I think your parents have done a
Speaker 6: great job, but it says a lot about you too.
Speaker 17: It's not just your parents, it's what's inside you too.
Speaker 6: The fact that you can sit and talk like this
Speaker 6: and it's like really mature.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that, Like.
Speaker 16: It's not like we shouldn't forget about going to visit
Speaker 16: our parents every weekend, and it's something that we should
Speaker 16: continue to remember because it was part of our childhood
Speaker 16: and there are a lot of life lessons and memories
Speaker 16: and experiences that although it wasn't in the best environment,
Speaker 16: it was still important. There's a lot of parents out
Speaker 16: there who we probably were able to hear our dads
Speaker 16: more than other kids, and we were lucky enough to
Speaker 16: have like the experiences we had because we still had
Speaker 16: great times, like we would watch movies, we would play
Speaker 16: board games, and we would talk about like TV shows
Speaker 16: or music and what songs we were listening to and
Speaker 16: so or like how our school day was, and we
Speaker 16: should be thankful that we were able to have those
Speaker 16: because a lot of other children don't.
Speaker 3: I find it amazing that you're so like grateful for
Speaker 3: the you know.
Speaker 17: The way you're talking is like, you know, even what
Speaker 17: you just said, You're like, we're blessed to have that.
Speaker 17: Is there any any part of you, any of you
Speaker 17: do do you feel angry at all? And I think
Speaker 17: anger is okay, you know, it's not a bad thing,
Speaker 17: you know. I just wonder if any of you feel
Speaker 17: angry at all.
Speaker 18: I just like I'm I'm.
Speaker 1: Not angry with my dad ever did in this past,
Speaker 1: But I feel like I was angry for the time,
Speaker 1: but I feel like every moment was just like a blessing.
Speaker 2: But I will never be angry with my dad for
Speaker 2: something like that. How about you.
Speaker 16: I think during the time and during all those years,
Speaker 16: I was angry, and like I remember, I would cry
Speaker 16: every time, like every Sunday after when we have to leave.
Speaker 16: But like now reflecting back on it, I'm thankful because
Speaker 16: like it could be way worse. We have such like
Speaker 16: great connection to our parents, and we have so much
Speaker 16: love for each other, and I'm just thankful that.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think like growing up like there probably was
Speaker 13: like a point where like I don't know, like I
Speaker 13: feel like when I was younger, I learned about everything.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, oh, why would they do that?
Speaker 13: And I didn't really like understand at first, and like
Speaker 13: sometimes I angry, but I'm just feel like at least
Speaker 13: I have them.
Speaker 2: And it's just really changed things.
Speaker 13: Like you're grateful, what like at least like they're here.
Speaker 3: Are you glad they actually did what they did?
Speaker 14: Are you glad that they they did go to prison
Speaker 14: so that they don't live like what you've heard?
Speaker 13: Yeah, Like some just think like if they did it,
Speaker 13: like we all, could I be here. It's just like
Speaker 13: that really like changes it.
Speaker 9: Or if they don't turn themselves in and they have
Speaker 9: to be able, the police have to go get them
Speaker 9: and get they get caught one time, then for that
Speaker 9: it's just like life. Probably, So.
Speaker 4: Even though the twins are home, the kids have lived
Speaker 4: in fight and flight, their whole lives always on edge,
Speaker 4: in constant stress and fear. Living in this heightened state
Speaker 4: of trauma isn't something that just goes away overnight.
Speaker 13: It's like just hear the like doors like they're coming.
Speaker 3: You kind of almost listen out for sounds.
Speaker 13: Even like a ring on the door belt, and I
Speaker 13: like have gone like test some doorbell and just like
Speaker 13: walk up and I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker 9: Where are you going to hide? I remember I was
Speaker 9: just like, so we'll be eatiot dinner at our table.
Speaker 9: We're like just being anywhere in the house and I
Speaker 9: hear a doorbell, and my mom and my dad was
Speaker 9: just like, they just don't go towards the door, just
Speaker 9: high and then they'll go look and see if feels anyone.
Speaker 9: And yeah, when I would go to my friend's house
Speaker 9: and so where they just go straight up and just
Speaker 9: open And I was like, I was so confused.
Speaker 13: Even I'm like, you're in the car, you see someone
Speaker 13: like a car following you for too long.
Speaker 1: So like like when my dad was in prison, all
Speaker 1: when we my mom will hear doorbell, all three of
Speaker 1: us would just look at each other and then we'll
Speaker 1: go and me and my sister would go. My mom
Speaker 1: would open it, and I'm being like a package delivered.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because like we had to live through
Speaker 1: that anxiety.
Speaker 11: I feel like it ruined it kind of still ruined
Speaker 11: my relationship with like my friends now because I can't
Speaker 11: like have them come over and be like I have
Speaker 11: to like tell my frands, like, you know, my friend's
Speaker 11: coming over, what's your name gonna be? And you know,
Speaker 11: like just like kind of like stay on, like just don't.
Speaker 13: Talk about anything about our lives or like separating you
Speaker 13: from like getting super close to anyone because like there
Speaker 13: was a.
Speaker 12: Part that like you couldn't share.
Speaker 13: So I think that's why we're so close like as
Speaker 13: cousins and said once, I think after everything that we've
Speaker 13: been through, we still have like this paranoia in the
Speaker 13: back of our head.
Speaker 11: Just of everything. And a part of me feels like
Speaker 11: I'm a little prepared of if anything does happen again.
Speaker 11: But them being home, it's just like a little more
Speaker 11: like you gotta like comp down a little, you know.
Speaker 11: I think my dad being home, I could like you know,
Speaker 11: go to sleep at night, not that like I'm safe
Speaker 11: with him, and I could go to sleep knowing that
Speaker 11: my mom's asleep in the shoes okay, because he's hot.
Speaker 4: As for the twins, coming out of prison was a
Speaker 4: fresh start Finally they could be with their wives, their children,
Speaker 4: and each other. No more yelling through doors, no more
Speaker 4: communicating through wives, no more fifteen minute phone calls and
Speaker 4: visits monitored by guards.
Speaker 3: No more shackles. They were free.
Speaker 14: What was it like when you first saw Pete out
Speaker 14: of prison?
Speaker 2: What was the moment, Wow, we have been so much
Speaker 2: time in part that so nervous. It was emotional for.
Speaker 18: Sure, what kind of Americans Just like every type of
Speaker 18: like sadness, happiness. At the same time, I'm still a
Speaker 18: little bit shocked that the fact that we were actually
Speaker 18: back together again. It also was I felt like like
Speaker 18: there was a void for sure, and I think that hurt.
Speaker 18: The fact that, you know, I'm seeing my brother and
Speaker 18: I'm like, it's everything's still the same, but we're just
Speaker 18: a little bit different now. You know, twelve years I
Speaker 18: left them when I was twenty eight.
Speaker 2: You know, now I'm forty.
Speaker 3: It's like a lifetime twenty eight and forty.
Speaker 18: And I have those same memories of same thoughts, but
Speaker 18: I know that we lived two different lives and now
Speaker 18: we're not seeing things the same. You know, We've been
Speaker 18: through different situations and like even the fact that he
Speaker 18: has a son now, I mean right that he was
Speaker 18: a part of and that I wasn't.
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't.
Speaker 18: I mean I got to see my nephew. But even
Speaker 18: that part right where just different things that could feel
Speaker 18: the void for sure, and that hurt me. It's something
Speaker 18: I'm never going to get back. Right, do you think
Speaker 18: do you think you just both really changed? I think
Speaker 18: I should get older. Everyone changes and it's simple, Like, well,
Speaker 18: it's not simple. I think that when you have a
Speaker 18: life partner, right and you're going old together, you guys
Speaker 18: are changing, and sometimes I think that could be a
Speaker 18: little bit hard.
Speaker 2: I realize that today.
Speaker 18: Like with my brother, because you're if you're growing together,
Speaker 18: you're growing together. You know, you guys are getting older
Speaker 18: and things change. Right, If your life partner is with you, then.
Speaker 2: They get it.
Speaker 18: But if they're not, now you're not the same person anymore.
Speaker 18: That's kind of hard to adjust, especially if you have
Speaker 18: expectations or or you know people to be a certain way.
Speaker 18: And I always say, like, I'm not the same person
Speaker 18: that went in prison. If I wasn't, then I failed.
Speaker 18: I feel like I'm more more mature. I think I'm
Speaker 18: a better man overall, definitely.
Speaker 2: A lot wiser.
Speaker 19: Jay has just he's grown into like everything a woman
Speaker 19: could possibly want in a man, I think when it
Speaker 19: comes to a husband, when it comes to a father,
Speaker 19: when it comes to a best friend. He's matured so
Speaker 19: much and he's learned, like he said, always through his
Speaker 19: hardships and always through struggles. I love the person that
Speaker 19: he is today and I love the person he was yesterday.
Speaker 19: But there's just something so different about him. And when
Speaker 19: Jay and Peter saw each other for the first time,
Speaker 19: I was there, and it was emotional for everybody, including
Speaker 19: our children, because we're so such a close knit family.
Speaker 19: But they were like kind of like looking at each
Speaker 19: other across the room at times, and I would catch
Speaker 19: them strangely like looking at each other and just trying
Speaker 19: to figure each other out.
Speaker 18: So you recall that, yes, I do recall that looking
Speaker 18: because I have saw my brillian zoom and of course
Speaker 18: anyone that does know us. In between me being home,
Speaker 18: there's a lot of arguments, a lot of arguments that
Speaker 18: didn't change. But seeing there was like almost like I'm
Speaker 18: seeing him be a father and a husband again, like
Speaker 18: something I haven't saw. And then were kind of seeing myself,
Speaker 18: and it was kind of like wow, a good feeling,
Speaker 18: like I got to see this again. I got to
Speaker 18: see my brother, I got to see myself. You know,
Speaker 18: my kids they don't even remember what it was like
Speaker 18: to see me and my brother.
Speaker 2: Together, so it was for my baby. It was a shocker.
Speaker 18: Like he was like, wow, you guys are twins, you know.
Speaker 14: Because you've never seen you two together. What was the
Speaker 14: first thing you did when you saw each other?
Speaker 18: So he was coming to the door the first the
Speaker 18: kids came, and I knew that he was kind of
Speaker 18: liking me behind because he was nervous. So the kids
Speaker 18: were running and saw me and were like, oh my god.
Speaker 18: And he was like making small steps almost like if
Speaker 18: you're going to see your wedding bread for the first time,
Speaker 18: that nervousness, that butterflies in your stomach. He looked different
Speaker 18: to me. I probably looked different him as well, right,
Speaker 18: And like we didn't say much. We whispered in each other,
Speaker 18: You're like, I love everything, and we just hugged each
Speaker 18: other tight and didn't say nothing, but just cried.
Speaker 2: And stood there.
Speaker 18: It was quiet, and I could hear everybody out being emotional,
Speaker 18: and I remember telling like just looking around, looking at
Speaker 18: everybody in tears and thinking, wow, you know, all the
Speaker 18: kids were crying in all of our family that was there.
Speaker 2: It was like it was so real, like to be
Speaker 2: able to hold.
Speaker 18: Them again and all we've been through and it's like,
Speaker 18: this is the moment we waited for a right for
Speaker 18: such a long time. And it was a feeling of
Speaker 18: fulfillment as well that you made it for sure, that
Speaker 18: we made it, that we were just there less a
Speaker 18: long time, just being there with the men and just no,
Speaker 18: it was a musher.
Speaker 4: Life after prison wasn't as simple as just picking up
Speaker 4: where they left off. That sentencing Judge Ruben Castillo said
Speaker 4: that the twins would always have a life sentence, that
Speaker 4: there wouldn't be a day that goes by that they
Speaker 4: wouldn't have to look over their shoulder. But it's not
Speaker 4: only the danger of if the cartel will come for
Speaker 4: them that makes adjusting to life after prison a challenge.
Speaker 4: Jay and Pte had to reinvent themselves once again. What
Speaker 4: does a normal life look like for people that have
Speaker 4: a past like the twins.
Speaker 18: So it's weirdly, even though I'm living this normal life,
Speaker 18: I can have normal friends, I can't normally think.
Speaker 12: I think that a lot of people that are normally
Speaker 12: just want to.
Speaker 2: They want to know your story. They want to know
Speaker 2: like everything about you.
Speaker 18: It makes it a little bit hard, like if I
Speaker 18: didn't know them before.
Speaker 2: It's just like.
Speaker 14: What do you say if somebody says what do you do?
Speaker 14: Because that's a real common question.
Speaker 18: Right now, I have a I have a job, so
Speaker 18: right now this is what I do, and what people say.
Speaker 2: That profession is going to be like oh this right, Like, okay,
Speaker 2: what brought you here?
Speaker 18: So I have a I have a script where I say,
Speaker 18: my wife's family lives here. What did you used to
Speaker 18: do real estate? So I'm not from here? Like, yeah,
Speaker 18: I just you know my wife's family, We just moved here.
Speaker 20: It must be hard because you've got to constantly edit yourself.
Speaker 2: I guess people can't even.
Speaker 18: Imagine the app life, right, And I heard even regular
Speaker 18: people who've been to prison kind of shy away from
Speaker 18: seeing those things and where you've been for the last
Speaker 18: ten years, like what you've been doing, It's like, wow,
Speaker 18: sometimes the easiest thing to do say I was in prison.
Speaker 4: Jay told me this great story about the first time
Speaker 4: he went to a bars is coming out of prison.
Speaker 3: He was with his nephew, his older brother, Armando's son.
Speaker 2: So that's a new experience for me.
Speaker 18: And we go to this bar, a bunch of young kids,
Speaker 18: you know, probably younger than twenty one college kids. So
Speaker 18: I'm like, I don't want to make it seem like
Speaker 18: I'm a chaperone, so I'm like just trying to fit in.
Speaker 18: And I look and I see that there's like these
Speaker 18: three guys and I'm like, oh my god, they just
Speaker 18: they've been to prison. I could tell how just their
Speaker 18: demeanor kind of stiff, kind of like they don't belong there.
Speaker 18: They're like in the young crowd. So I'm saying that
Speaker 18: gap between you know, they're going back to what they
Speaker 18: missed in my head. And I told my nephe I said, wow,
Speaker 18: look at those guys. You know they're convict. And he's like,
Speaker 18: get out of here. Why do you say that? And
Speaker 18: I was like, I could tell just by the demeanor,
Speaker 18: and he was like no, no, I'm like yeah, He's like,
Speaker 18: how would we know? I said, oh easy, I said,
Speaker 18: can I have three beers? Then they're standing there night Tapo.
Speaker 18: I said, excuse me, guy, I said, how long.
Speaker 2: You been home? And he's like excuse me. I said,
Speaker 2: how long you been home? He said, is that noticeable?
Speaker 18: I said yeah, he said, I've been home for a year.
Speaker 18: He's been home for eight months, and he's been home
Speaker 18: for a month, and I said yeah, I could tell.
Speaker 2: He's like, wow, how do you know?
Speaker 18: I said experience and he's like wow, Like I man,
Speaker 18: I mean, you're just making me see something. And I
Speaker 18: just ended up starting to talk to him, and I
Speaker 18: called my nephew over and said, hey, you know, this
Speaker 18: is so and so and so and so and so
Speaker 18: they just came home. And he's like, oh god, you know,
Speaker 18: and I said, it's just out of experience, but just
Speaker 18: tell me one thing. Do I seem off to you?
Speaker 18: He's like, no, not at all.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, great, thank you.
Speaker 18: I'm doing good then, you know, because that was one
Speaker 18: of the one of the things we talked about the most,
Speaker 18: is was I going to be able to.
Speaker 19: Like like just fit in again and not feel uncomfortable
Speaker 19: or awkward or feel like you couldn't, you know, keep
Speaker 19: up with.
Speaker 18: What would to read a lot like I would know
Speaker 18: how to like use certain electronics through watching.
Speaker 2: Wired, you know, I would readwired or.
Speaker 18: Like these tech TV shows or whatever the cases, and
Speaker 18: sometimes about be like I'm having trouble and I'll be like,
Speaker 18: oh you could do this check how the fuck do
Speaker 18: you know?
Speaker 3: Did you have access to information?
Speaker 2: Like did you know what was going on?
Speaker 18: Well, thanks to my wife, I would literally I think
Speaker 18: I was like I had an eighty scriptions for magazine
Speaker 18: for magazines.
Speaker 3: Yeah, eighty subscriptions.
Speaker 21: Magazine, and it had like six of the major newspapers
Speaker 21: Chicago sometimes New York Daily News and just I would
Speaker 21: get all these newspapers.
Speaker 18: So I would look at everything, especially you know, it
Speaker 18: helped when when I was like down, it kept me.
Speaker 12: Yeah, And I would even like actually to.
Speaker 18: This day, if you're looking in phone, I actually try
Speaker 18: to keep up with all those magazines that I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look Cosmopolitan.
Speaker 18: So I mean this is like I sign up at
Speaker 18: I if you look at at my magazines.
Speaker 20: Focus, news Week for Rolling Stone, Fortune to Trend, New
Speaker 20: York Magazine, New York Blame Bank Business, Rewired, Dos we Go,
Speaker 20: Board Car and Drive Fast Company, l Anity Fair, People,
Speaker 20: New York City.
Speaker 18: I never had a normal life, so people don't understand,
Speaker 18: like I never had a bank account. Money probably didn't
Speaker 18: fit in the bank, but I never had a bank account,
Speaker 18: so getting used to these things, and like, you know,
Speaker 18: I was able to.
Speaker 2: Take my kids to school with them.
Speaker 18: I attended, you know, my first parent teacher conferences. Then
Speaker 18: I'll tell you as intelligent that I think that I was,
Speaker 18: or what other people my team. I have no knowledge
Speaker 18: of what to do, or how to act or how
Speaker 18: to be because I'm so experienced with so many things
Speaker 18: in life, except for the simple things that people might
Speaker 18: take for granted an every day basis taking your kids
Speaker 18: to school, like going to.
Speaker 2: The bank, or how things work.
Speaker 18: I mean, I practice sending emails to teachers. I'm scared
Speaker 18: of the things that you do every day. She made
Speaker 18: me take the kids to the doctor by myself. I
Speaker 18: called her. I called her a hundred times, and I'm
Speaker 18: like this, you got this.
Speaker 2: She sent me to the bank one time by myself.
Speaker 12: Panic, like wait what?
Speaker 18: And I know I can't say no to her because
Speaker 18: I'm like it's I know this is a test.
Speaker 2: I know she's preparing me, and I don't want to
Speaker 2: let her down. And I'm learning.
Speaker 18: I'm learning still, you know, I know I have a
Speaker 18: lot cleaning to do and keeping things in order. Did
Speaker 18: I do ask her like how important you know, how
Speaker 18: important is just to do.
Speaker 2: Everything is really important?
Speaker 8: Right? Like?
Speaker 18: How important is is it for the kids close to
Speaker 18: be ironed all the time. I think even if it's
Speaker 18: like basketball, clothes's important. And so we had those conversations
Speaker 18: and it's like I realized what it took to be
Speaker 18: by herself for all those years. I see it and
Speaker 18: people might think, wow, it's obvious. It's the things that
Speaker 18: we take for granted every day that people don't realize
Speaker 18: that if you're able to take your kids to school,
Speaker 18: or you're able to come home early one day and
Speaker 18: pick them up and surprise them, those things matter because
Speaker 18: there's plenty of people around the way that don't get
Speaker 18: that change.
Speaker 4: Just as J and P were starting to get used
Speaker 4: to yet another new version of.
Speaker 3: Their life, everything changed again.
Speaker 12: When the Feds came to the house again. For me
Speaker 12: and for Viviana, it was.
Speaker 19: Scary, and.
Speaker 12: I think that the way that they came to the
Speaker 12: house was very just starting when I seen them surround
Speaker 12: my house, that they came in with the SWAT.
Speaker 2: Team and.
Speaker 12: Army garb and shields and helmets and AR fifteen's. I
Speaker 12: couldn't believe that they came and they you know, you're
Speaker 12: ready to move the door down. When I seen them coming,
Speaker 12: they were like just holding each other's shoulder, and it
Speaker 12: looked like a bunch of soldiers in front of my house,
Speaker 12: like if my kids are playing call of duty and
Speaker 12: they're marching up the street to come to the house.
Speaker 12: And I remember running to my son's room waking them
Speaker 12: up and telling them the Feds are here, the Feds
Speaker 12: are here.
Speaker 11: Get up.
Speaker 12: And we're talking about children that are not accustomed to
Speaker 12: this upbringing. They're not They were sheltered. We put our
Speaker 12: children in a bubble because we didn't want this. Can
Speaker 12: I tell that to affect them in any way? We
Speaker 12: didn't want them to path the ever like go through
Speaker 12: any of this. I ran down the stairs and I
Speaker 12: opened the door. I didn't want them to break it.
Speaker 12: And I just right away put my hands up and
Speaker 12: put my hands behind my back, and I think like
Speaker 12: I'm like, okay, I'm okay, I'm fine. You could take
Speaker 12: me now. And it wasn't until they walked into my
Speaker 12: house and they were.
Speaker 15: Got ar fifteens to my children and they coughted my son.
Speaker 12: And he's a minor. At that point, it's like as
Speaker 12: a mother, I think, like you just go to you're
Speaker 12: just going to like survival mode, and I feel like
Speaker 12: it just I don't remember kind of black chout, that
Speaker 12: kind of black out would happen.
Speaker 18: You know, This fucking team came from Vallerie and she
Speaker 18: fought them.
Speaker 2: They just looked at her shoulder. They mistreated her.
Speaker 12: You know, I just wanted them to not cough my
Speaker 12: son because he doesn't he doesn't know his life. He
Speaker 12: has no clue what this life consists of.
Speaker 8: When the fact came right, my had to spend two
Speaker 8: days in jail, and it was I didn't even care
Speaker 8: about anything, but I just didn't want to be with people.
Speaker 8: I was like so scared.
Speaker 2: So I asked the.
Speaker 8: Seol there and I asked him if he can.
Speaker 2: Put me in a room by.
Speaker 8: Myself because of the fear that I have just always
Speaker 8: lingering in my head. So they put me in a
Speaker 8: room by myself. I was just like watching everybody from
Speaker 8: the little window. This is so scary, Like never can
Speaker 8: I ever want to be in a position where I'm
Speaker 8: with other people that know who my family is. I remember,
Speaker 8: you know, Peter telling me through the years how he
Speaker 8: felt in like a prison cell and I was just
Speaker 8: looking around, like.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it's me.
Speaker 8: And then and then I took his advice and I
Speaker 8: remember like things he would tell me I was I
Speaker 8: did clean like the toilet set the scene then and
Speaker 8: then I see just like a little bit of my food.
Speaker 2: Just because.
Speaker 8: You know, I listened to, you know, everything that he
Speaker 8: went through with all my heart, everything that we would
Speaker 8: talk about on our weekends are you know, just try
Speaker 8: to be more than a wife, be his friend and
Speaker 8: just hear him out what it was like for him to.
Speaker 2: Be there.
Speaker 8: I just like grasp onto the little things that he
Speaker 8: would tell me that he did. And it was just
Speaker 8: an ugly time.
Speaker 11: I got sick from drinking w water. The water was terrible,
Speaker 11: and I was just like thinking to myself, like I
Speaker 11: was so worried about the kids.
Speaker 12: The reason why we chose to not tell our children
Speaker 12: who their dad was because we wanted to shelter them
Speaker 12: and we didn't want.
Speaker 18: Them to go through this.
Speaker 12: Because this is the same exact thing that Peter and
Speaker 12: Jay went through when they were kids. And the whole
Speaker 12: reason why they felt like they wanted to like end
Speaker 12: this and they wanted to like end this.
Speaker 15: Cycle, and they wanted.
Speaker 22: They didn't want their children to go through anything that
Speaker 22: they ever went through, and it's kind of like, why
Speaker 22: did we do this cyclic what we did to our kids?
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Speaker 4: Season two is hosted by Curtis fifty cent Jackson and
Speaker 4: me Charlie Webster, produced by myself and Jackson mcclennan, Assistant
Speaker 4: producer and research report by Katy Hurtz, Edit and sound
Speaker 4: design by Nico Palella. Theme music and original score by
Speaker 4: Ryan Sorenson. It's executive produced by Curtis fifty.
Speaker 3: Cent Jackson and Me Charlie Webster.
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