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Speaker 1: I feel like people when their fathers are in prison,

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's fifty cents and I'm Charlie Webster.

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Speaker 4: This is Survive and El Chapel, twins who brought down

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Speaker 4: a druglord Season two.

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Speaker 5: At forty years old, Jane Peter were now free men

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Speaker 5: in the US, something that hadn't been since they escaped

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Speaker 5: to Mexico as fugitives nearly twenty years before they were

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Speaker 5: united with their families that they started new life, But

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Speaker 5: as seems to be the case with the twins, the

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Speaker 5: consequences of their decision are.

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Speaker 2: Always waiting around the corner.

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Speaker 5: Just as Je and Peter were starting to get used

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Speaker 4: Even though the al Chapo case was well and truly done,

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Speaker 4: the government hadn't forgotten about the Flora's family.

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Speaker 3: In April of.

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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty one, the federal governments brought criminal charges against

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Speaker 5: SWAT teams arrived at their home, searching the house and

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Speaker 2: They were so aggressive. They even cuffed some of the.

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Speaker 4: Children with the permission of their parents. And many conversations

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Speaker 4: over the phone with the kids, I asked if they

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Speaker 4: wanted to share what things have been like for them

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Speaker 3: I got them all together and we sat on the

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Speaker 6: If you of us kind of sat and spoke life,

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Speaker 7: You want to talk about this, I think for me,

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Speaker 7: just especially like I me that happened recently, I got

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Speaker 8: I don't like, I didn't want them to like see

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just really difficult.

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Speaker 9: They just like came in handcuffed everybody but let me

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Speaker 9: was hard for me becauldn't see my mom be a

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Speaker 8: Ahead, and.

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Speaker 9: Especially my dad being handcuffed. I think I will see

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Speaker 9: that again, and I just wait, don't be excuing my

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Speaker 9: hand wake when he was in a visit pak haircuffed.

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Speaker 3: That's Pete's children talking their son.

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Speaker 4: The one who was born the first year Pete was

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Speaker 4: in prison, and the youngest daughter who you heard in

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Speaker 4: the last episode, as well as Pete's oldest She lived

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Speaker 4: with Pete and Viv on and off in Mexico. Unlike

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Speaker 4: the other children, she knew some of what their life

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Speaker 4: was like before prison. We won't name any of the

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Speaker 4: protect their identities. We'll pick back up with Pete and

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Speaker 4: Viv's son and youngest daughter talking about what it was

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Speaker 10: Was he always handcuffed when you when they opened the door,

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Speaker 11: There those specific procedures like that you read this rule

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Speaker 11: him because there's like sap issues. He couldn't get to

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Speaker 11: the vending machines because remember it's like a box room

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Speaker 12: It was just like it to feel like because.

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Speaker 11: Going like we move on to a lot of visiting rooms,

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Speaker 11: and I remember that one that it was just like

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Speaker 11: And I remember your tug he didn't have his uniform

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Speaker 1: I used to know I was like the luckiest person

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Speaker 1: But as I got older, I how to do it.

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Speaker 11: I remember like every weekend of the guards to be like,

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Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of time.

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Speaker 13: Tried to fit in like months of parenting into like

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Speaker 2: In real life. He was just trying like make up

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Speaker 12: But I think with us too.

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Speaker 8: I think with Bell and I I think that Peena

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Speaker 11: Are really guilty of just trying to just teach us

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Speaker 11: they're sitting there in prison. And I think that's where

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Speaker 11: we see that they decision that they made. They went

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Speaker 7: So I remember.

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Speaker 11: I would write stuff, stuff down and then school notebook too.

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Speaker 11: If I thought about something to tell my dad, then

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Speaker 4: Forget Pete's daughter had so much to talk to her

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Speaker 4: a whole week between visits, and even though Pete was

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Speaker 11: If I remember something on Monday, I was like, oh

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Speaker 11: Because we got only three hundred minutes each month, especially

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Speaker 11: in like Novembers, it would be hard because all my

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Speaker 4: Three hundred minutes sounds like a lot, but when you

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Speaker 11: I remember very well my dad would say, I'm going

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Speaker 11: we were there every single weekend. But then I remember

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Speaker 11: I was like, no, I want to go and see you.

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Speaker 11: Like I would skip every friend's birthday party and be

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Speaker 11: my time. And as much as like you know how

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Speaker 11: like people say like self care night or like alone time,

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Speaker 11: we sat down together. And even though it wasn't a

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Speaker 13: It was always like a weird transition to go from

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Speaker 13: was like always like really living like two separate worlds.

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Speaker 13: And I think sometimes, especially as we were getting older,

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Speaker 3: Still choose to come.

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Speaker 13: And I remember Mom, She's like, you are going to

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Speaker 4: Having friends was a continuous problem. There was always a

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Speaker 4: risk that through the children, the twins' identity and location

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Speaker 4: that her friend's dad worked as one of Pete's prison guards.

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Speaker 4: The kids could never get too close to anyone.

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Speaker 11: I would tell people like I moved from somewhere and

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Speaker 11: they'll be like why, I don't know. My parents are

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Speaker 1: Then?

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Speaker 11: Oh, then I had to like figure out something.

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Speaker 13: I had this like responsibility to keep the secret. I

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Speaker 13: Something bad would happened, and so is always like that.

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Speaker 14: Had to lie a lot, feel that's a lie.

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Speaker 9: I just remember lying to last school, like where's your dad,

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Speaker 9: Like he's doing work in California?

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Speaker 2: Like a story.

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Speaker 11: I remember we were in a store and this guy

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Speaker 11: He's like, where's where's your dad? And I would be like,

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Speaker 11: We always had to get like we had to make

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Speaker 2: Was getting nervous.

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Speaker 13: I said, like, my dad lives somewhere, and then someone

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Speaker 13: I actually have no idea what the neighborhood is called.

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Speaker 10: I think that when he switched schools, it was I

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Speaker 11: I feel like, even if we did have friends and

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Speaker 13: And you guys like that for like all of us,

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Speaker 13: like we all were like I would hate talking to parents.

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Speaker 13: Even now, I hate talking to parents. They asked too

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Speaker 9: My old school uh, I was there for like the

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Speaker 9: think four times already. I just don't feel doing that again.

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Speaker 3: That's Jay's youngest son.

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Speaker 4: Jay and Val have two sons, and the youngest was

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Speaker 3: The other just a toddler.

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Speaker 15: Baby the kit there.

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Speaker 12: I have said, my love, have we paid call?

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Speaker 16: You have a lot of charge for this call.

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Speaker 11: This car is from.

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Speaker 16: And in a fit away prison.

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Speaker 2: He Laddy, thank you for your books?

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Speaker 8: Tell you.

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Speaker 4: Baby?

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Speaker 17: Hey, love?

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Speaker 12: How are you all?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: He wants to say something.

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Speaker 13: Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Daddy.

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Speaker 18: How are you mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: House cool?

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Speaker 2: Daddy?

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Speaker 8: You like daddy?

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Speaker 2: I love you. I love him?

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Speaker 16: If you're dad, Hello, baby, baby's funny lovely?

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Speaker 19: Don't for good?

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Speaker 13: Long? Oh?

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Speaker 12: Okay, so hi daddy, come o, Hi Hi Danny, Hi dud.

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Speaker 13: Hi daddy, Hi Davy.

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Speaker 18: I love you.

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Speaker 8: Oh yes, I love you.

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Speaker 4: Jay's youngest didn't even know his own father's real name

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Speaker 4: use Jay's initials m F. Margarito Flores, his youngest had

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I remember the officer would say, like when we

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Speaker 9: would enter the visit, enter the prison, they would say

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Speaker 9: I was really confused, and he was like, it's just

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Speaker 9: I just didn't really think about that. I just remember

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine, especially because you only.

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Speaker 9: Know, Yeah, I only I knew him from there from

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Speaker 17: Yeah, what was it like when he actually came home?

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Speaker 18: You weren't used to.

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Speaker 9: That, right, I just feel like really different.

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Speaker 20: Yeah in what way?

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Speaker 9: It's just like a way different envitoment and different people

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Speaker 4: It was a big adjustment when the twins came home.

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Speaker 4: Jay's youngest son had never known his dad outside of prison,

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Speaker 11: Then he came home, like I remember him just like

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Speaker 11: what he was like mesme eyes by everything, and like

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Speaker 2: Out because I was like, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 12: I remember like when he first came home.

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Speaker 13: I spent months just like wanting to like be there,

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Speaker 13: like followed him around like anything.

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Speaker 1: He got a hairbut togethers at a bike shop, and

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Speaker 1: bikes were my dad's favorite thing. Now every day, like

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Speaker 1: I go downstairs and then I see white out with

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Speaker 1: with this on and his pjamas because it's a worry

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Speaker 2: I like I get to wake up to that.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like my dad did like such a

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Speaker 1: great job, even like in a small businesing room being

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Speaker 1: their kids. That's like a resemblance in this family and

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Speaker 1: how good of parents they are and they could put

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Speaker 6: I think it's also actually a lot about you all

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Speaker 6: sat here, because I think your parents have done a

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Speaker 6: great job, but it says a lot about you too.

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Speaker 17: It's not just your parents, it's what's inside you too.

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Speaker 6: The fact that you can sit and talk like this

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Speaker 6: and it's like really mature.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that, Like.

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Speaker 16: It's not like we shouldn't forget about going to visit

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Speaker 16: continue to remember because it was part of our childhood

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Speaker 16: and there are a lot of life lessons and memories

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Speaker 16: it was still important. There's a lot of parents out

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Speaker 16: there who we probably were able to hear our dads

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Speaker 16: more than other kids, and we were lucky enough to

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Speaker 16: so or like how our school day was, and we

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Speaker 16: because a lot of other children don't.

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Speaker 3: I find it amazing that you're so like grateful for

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Speaker 17: The way you're talking is like, you know, even what

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Speaker 17: you just said, You're like, we're blessed to have that.

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Speaker 17: Is there any any part of you, any of you

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Speaker 17: do do you feel angry at all? And I think

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Speaker 17: you know. I just wonder if any of you feel

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Speaker 18: I just like I'm I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not angry with my dad ever did in this past,

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Speaker 1: But I feel like I was angry for the time,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like every moment was just like a blessing.

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Speaker 2: But I will never be angry with my dad for

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Speaker 2: something like that. How about you.

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Speaker 16: I think during the time and during all those years,

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Speaker 16: I was angry, and like I remember, I would cry

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Speaker 16: every time, like every Sunday after when we have to leave.

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Speaker 16: But like now reflecting back on it, I'm thankful because

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Speaker 16: like it could be way worse. We have such like

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think like growing up like there probably was

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like, oh, why would they do that?

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Speaker 13: And I didn't really like understand at first, and like

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Speaker 13: sometimes I angry, but I'm just feel like at least

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Speaker 13: I have them.

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Speaker 2: And it's just really changed things.

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Speaker 13: Like you're grateful, what like at least like they're here.

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Speaker 3: Are you glad they actually did what they did?

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Speaker 14: Are you glad that they they did go to prison

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Speaker 14: so that they don't live like what you've heard?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Like some just think like if they did it,

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Speaker 9: Or if they don't turn themselves in and they have

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Speaker 9: to be able, the police have to go get them

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Speaker 9: and get they get caught one time, then for that

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Speaker 9: it's just like life. Probably, So.

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Speaker 4: Even though the twins are home, the kids have lived

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Speaker 4: in constant stress and fear. Living in this heightened state

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Speaker 13: It's like just hear the like doors like they're coming.

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Speaker 3: You kind of almost listen out for sounds.

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Speaker 13: Even like a ring on the door belt, and I

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Speaker 9: Where are you going to hide? I remember I was

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Speaker 9: just like, so we'll be eatiot dinner at our table.

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Speaker 9: We're like just being anywhere in the house and I

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Speaker 9: And yeah, when I would go to my friend's house

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Speaker 13: Even I'm like, you're in the car, you see someone

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Speaker 1: So like like when my dad was in prison, all

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Speaker 1: And it's crazy because like we had to live through

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Speaker 11: I feel like it ruined it kind of still ruined

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Speaker 13: Talk about anything about our lives or like separating you

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Speaker 12: Part that like you couldn't share.

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Speaker 13: So I think that's why we're so close like as

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Speaker 11: Just of everything. And a part of me feels like

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Speaker 11: I'm a little prepared of if anything does happen again.

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Speaker 11: But them being home, it's just like a little more

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Speaker 11: like you gotta like comp down a little, you know.

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Speaker 11: I think my dad being home, I could like you know,

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Speaker 11: go to sleep at night, not that like I'm safe

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Speaker 11: my mom's asleep in the shoes okay, because he's hot.

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Speaker 4: As for the twins, coming out of prison was a

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Speaker 4: fresh start Finally they could be with their wives, their children,

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Speaker 4: and each other. No more yelling through doors, no more

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Speaker 3: No more shackles. They were free.

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Speaker 14: What was it like when you first saw Pete out

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Speaker 14: of prison?

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Speaker 2: What was the moment, Wow, we have been so much

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Speaker 18: Sure, what kind of Americans Just like every type of

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Speaker 18: like sadness, happiness. At the same time, I'm still a

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Speaker 18: little bit shocked that the fact that we were actually

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Speaker 18: there was a void for sure, and I think that hurt.

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Speaker 18: The fact that, you know, I'm seeing my brother and

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Speaker 18: I'm like, it's everything's still the same, but we're just

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Speaker 18: a little bit different now. You know, twelve years I

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Speaker 2: You know, now I'm forty.

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Speaker 3: It's like a lifetime twenty eight and forty.

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Speaker 18: And I have those same memories of same thoughts, but

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Speaker 18: I know that we lived two different lives and now

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Speaker 18: we're not seeing things the same. You know, We've been

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Speaker 18: through different situations and like even the fact that he

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Speaker 18: a part of and that I wasn't.

450
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't.

451
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 18: I mean I got to see my nephew. But even

452
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 18: that part right where just different things that could feel

453
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 18: the void for sure, and that hurt me. It's something

454
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 18: I'm never going to get back. Right, do you think

455
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 18: do you think you just both really changed? I think

456
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 18: I should get older. Everyone changes and it's simple, Like, well,

457
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 18: it's not simple. I think that when you have a

458
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 18: life partner, right and you're going old together, you guys

459
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 18: are changing, and sometimes I think that could be a

460
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 18: little bit hard.

461
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: I realize that today.

462
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 18: Like with my brother, because you're if you're growing together,

463
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 18: you're growing together. You know, you guys are getting older

464
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 18: and things change. Right, If your life partner is with you, then.

465
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: They get it.

466
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 18: But if they're not, now you're not the same person anymore.

467
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 18: That's kind of hard to adjust, especially if you have

468
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 18: expectations or or you know people to be a certain way.

469
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 18: And I always say, like, I'm not the same person

470
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 18: that went in prison. If I wasn't, then I failed.

471
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 18: I feel like I'm more more mature. I think I'm

472
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,239
Speaker 18: a better man overall, definitely.

473
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 2: A lot wiser.

474
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 19: Jay has just he's grown into like everything a woman

475
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 19: could possibly want in a man, I think when it

476
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 19: comes to a husband, when it comes to a father,

477
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 19: when it comes to a best friend. He's matured so

478
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 19: much and he's learned, like he said, always through his

479
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 19: hardships and always through struggles. I love the person that

480
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 19: he is today and I love the person he was yesterday.

481
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 19: But there's just something so different about him. And when

482
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 19: Jay and Peter saw each other for the first time,

483
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 19: I was there, and it was emotional for everybody, including

484
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 19: our children, because we're so such a close knit family.

485
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 19: But they were like kind of like looking at each

486
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 19: other across the room at times, and I would catch

487
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 19: them strangely like looking at each other and just trying

488
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 19: to figure each other out.

489
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 18: So you recall that, yes, I do recall that looking

490
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 18: because I have saw my brillian zoom and of course

491
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 18: anyone that does know us. In between me being home,

492
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 18: there's a lot of arguments, a lot of arguments that

493
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 18: didn't change. But seeing there was like almost like I'm

494
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 18: seeing him be a father and a husband again, like

495
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 18: something I haven't saw. And then were kind of seeing myself,

496
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 18: and it was kind of like wow, a good feeling,

497
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 18: like I got to see this again. I got to

498
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 18: see my brother, I got to see myself. You know,

499
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 18: my kids they don't even remember what it was like

500
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 18: to see me and my brother.

501
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: Together, so it was for my baby. It was a shocker.

502
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 18: Like he was like, wow, you guys are twins, you know.

503
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 14: Because you've never seen you two together. What was the

504
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 14: first thing you did when you saw each other?

505
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 18: So he was coming to the door the first the

506
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 18: kids came, and I knew that he was kind of

507
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 18: liking me behind because he was nervous. So the kids

508
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 18: were running and saw me and were like, oh my god.

509
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 18: And he was like making small steps almost like if

510
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 18: you're going to see your wedding bread for the first time,

511
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 18: that nervousness, that butterflies in your stomach. He looked different

512
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 18: to me. I probably looked different him as well, right,

513
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 18: And like we didn't say much. We whispered in each other,

514
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 18: You're like, I love everything, and we just hugged each

515
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 18: other tight and didn't say nothing, but just cried.

516
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: And stood there.

517
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 18: It was quiet, and I could hear everybody out being emotional,

518
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 18: and I remember telling like just looking around, looking at

519
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 18: everybody in tears and thinking, wow, you know, all the

520
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 18: kids were crying in all of our family that was there.

521
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: It was like it was so real, like to be

522
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: able to hold.

523
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 18: Them again and all we've been through and it's like,

524
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 18: this is the moment we waited for a right for

525
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 18: such a long time. And it was a feeling of

526
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 18: fulfillment as well that you made it for sure, that

527
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 18: we made it, that we were just there less a

528
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 18: long time, just being there with the men and just no,

529
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 18: it was a musher.

530
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: Life after prison wasn't as simple as just picking up

531
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 4: where they left off. That sentencing Judge Ruben Castillo said

532
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 4: that the twins would always have a life sentence, that

533
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 4: there wouldn't be a day that goes by that they

534
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: wouldn't have to look over their shoulder. But it's not

535
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 4: only the danger of if the cartel will come for

536
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 4: them that makes adjusting to life after prison a challenge.

537
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 4: Jay and Pte had to reinvent themselves once again. What

538
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 4: does a normal life look like for people that have

539
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 4: a past like the twins.

540
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 18: So it's weirdly, even though I'm living this normal life,

541
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 18: I can have normal friends, I can't normally think.

542
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 12: I think that a lot of people that are normally

543
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 12: just want to.

544
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: They want to know your story. They want to know

545
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: like everything about you.

546
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 18: It makes it a little bit hard, like if I

547
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 18: didn't know them before.

548
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: It's just like.

549
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 14: What do you say if somebody says what do you do?

550
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 14: Because that's a real common question.

551
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 18: Right now, I have a I have a job, so

552
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 18: right now this is what I do, and what people say.

553
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: That profession is going to be like oh this right, Like, okay,

554
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: what brought you here?

555
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 18: So I have a I have a script where I say,

556
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 18: my wife's family lives here. What did you used to

557
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 18: do real estate? So I'm not from here? Like, yeah,

558
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 18: I just you know my wife's family, We just moved here.

559
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 20: It must be hard because you've got to constantly edit yourself.

560
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: I guess people can't even.

561
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 18: Imagine the app life, right, And I heard even regular

562
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 18: people who've been to prison kind of shy away from

563
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 18: seeing those things and where you've been for the last

564
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 18: ten years, like what you've been doing, It's like, wow,

565
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 18: sometimes the easiest thing to do say I was in prison.

566
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 4: Jay told me this great story about the first time

567
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 4: he went to a bars is coming out of prison.

568
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: He was with his nephew, his older brother, Armando's son.

569
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: So that's a new experience for me.

570
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 18: And we go to this bar, a bunch of young kids,

571
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 18: you know, probably younger than twenty one college kids. So

572
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 18: I'm like, I don't want to make it seem like

573
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 18: I'm a chaperone, so I'm like just trying to fit in.

574
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 18: And I look and I see that there's like these

575
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 18: three guys and I'm like, oh my god, they just

576
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 18: they've been to prison. I could tell how just their

577
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 18: demeanor kind of stiff, kind of like they don't belong there.

578
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 18: They're like in the young crowd. So I'm saying that

579
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 18: gap between you know, they're going back to what they

580
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 18: missed in my head. And I told my nephe I said, wow,

581
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 18: look at those guys. You know they're convict. And he's like,

582
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 18: get out of here. Why do you say that? And

583
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 18: I was like, I could tell just by the demeanor,

584
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 18: and he was like no, no, I'm like yeah, He's like,

585
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 18: how would we know? I said, oh easy, I said,

586
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 18: can I have three beers? Then they're standing there night Tapo.

587
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 18: I said, excuse me, guy, I said, how long.

588
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: You been home? And he's like excuse me. I said,

589
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: how long you been home? He said, is that noticeable?

590
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 18: I said yeah, he said, I've been home for a year.

591
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 18: He's been home for eight months, and he's been home

592
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 18: for a month, and I said yeah, I could tell.

593
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: He's like, wow, how do you know?

594
00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 18: I said experience and he's like wow, Like I man,

595
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 18: I mean, you're just making me see something. And I

596
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 18: just ended up starting to talk to him, and I

597
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 18: called my nephew over and said, hey, you know, this

598
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 18: is so and so and so and so and so

599
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 18: they just came home. And he's like, oh god, you know,

600
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 18: and I said, it's just out of experience, but just

601
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 18: tell me one thing. Do I seem off to you?

602
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 18: He's like, no, not at all.

603
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, great, thank you.

604
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 18: I'm doing good then, you know, because that was one

605
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 18: of the one of the things we talked about the most,

606
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 18: is was I going to be able to.

607
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 19: Like like just fit in again and not feel uncomfortable

608
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 19: or awkward or feel like you couldn't, you know, keep

609
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 19: up with.

610
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 18: What would to read a lot like I would know

611
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 18: how to like use certain electronics through watching.

612
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: Wired, you know, I would readwired or.

613
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 18: Like these tech TV shows or whatever the cases, and

614
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 18: sometimes about be like I'm having trouble and I'll be like,

615
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 18: oh you could do this check how the fuck do

616
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 18: you know?

617
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: Did you have access to information?

618
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: Like did you know what was going on?

619
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 18: Well, thanks to my wife, I would literally I think

620
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 18: I was like I had an eighty scriptions for magazine

621
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 18: for magazines.

622
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, eighty subscriptions.

623
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 21: Magazine, and it had like six of the major newspapers

624
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 21: Chicago sometimes New York Daily News and just I would

625
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 21: get all these newspapers.

626
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 18: So I would look at everything, especially you know, it

627
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 18: helped when when I was like down, it kept me.

628
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 12: Yeah, And I would even like actually to.

629
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 18: This day, if you're looking in phone, I actually try

630
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 18: to keep up with all those magazines that I do.

631
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, look Cosmopolitan.

632
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 18: So I mean this is like I sign up at

633
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 18: I if you look at at my magazines.

634
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 20: Focus, news Week for Rolling Stone, Fortune to Trend, New

635
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 20: York Magazine, New York Blame Bank Business, Rewired, Dos we Go,

636
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 20: Board Car and Drive Fast Company, l Anity Fair, People,

637
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 20: New York City.

638
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 18: I never had a normal life, so people don't understand,

639
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 18: like I never had a bank account. Money probably didn't

640
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 18: fit in the bank, but I never had a bank account,

641
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 18: so getting used to these things, and like, you know,

642
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 18: I was able to.

643
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: Take my kids to school with them.

644
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 18: I attended, you know, my first parent teacher conferences. Then

645
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 18: I'll tell you as intelligent that I think that I was,

646
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 18: or what other people my team. I have no knowledge

647
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 18: of what to do, or how to act or how

648
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 18: to be because I'm so experienced with so many things

649
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 18: in life, except for the simple things that people might

650
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 18: take for granted an every day basis taking your kids

651
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 18: to school, like going to.

652
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: The bank, or how things work.

653
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 18: I mean, I practice sending emails to teachers. I'm scared

654
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 18: of the things that you do every day. She made

655
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 18: me take the kids to the doctor by myself. I

656
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 18: called her. I called her a hundred times, and I'm

657
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 18: like this, you got this.

658
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: She sent me to the bank one time by myself.

659
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 12: Panic, like wait what?

660
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 18: And I know I can't say no to her because

661
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 18: I'm like it's I know this is a test.

662
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: I know she's preparing me, and I don't want to

663
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 2: let her down. And I'm learning.

664
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 18: I'm learning still, you know, I know I have a

665
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 18: lot cleaning to do and keeping things in order. Did

666
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 18: I do ask her like how important you know, how

667
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 18: important is just to do.

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Speaker 2: Everything is really important?

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Speaker 8: Right? Like?

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Speaker 18: How important is is it for the kids close to

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Speaker 18: be ironed all the time. I think even if it's

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Speaker 18: like basketball, clothes's important. And so we had those conversations

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Speaker 18: and it's like I realized what it took to be

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Speaker 18: by herself for all those years. I see it and

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Speaker 18: people might think, wow, it's obvious. It's the things that

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Speaker 18: we take for granted every day that people don't realize

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Speaker 18: that if you're able to take your kids to school,

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Speaker 18: or you're able to come home early one day and

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Speaker 18: pick them up and surprise them, those things matter because

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Speaker 18: there's plenty of people around the way that don't get

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Speaker 18: that change.

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Speaker 4: Just as J and P were starting to get used

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Speaker 4: to yet another new version of.

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Speaker 3: Their life, everything changed again.

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Speaker 12: When the Feds came to the house again. For me

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Speaker 12: and for Viviana, it was.

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Speaker 19: Scary, and.

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Speaker 12: I think that the way that they came to the

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Speaker 12: house was very just starting when I seen them surround

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Speaker 12: my house, that they came in with the SWAT.

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Speaker 2: Team and.

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Speaker 12: Army garb and shields and helmets and AR fifteen's. I

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Speaker 12: couldn't believe that they came and they you know, you're

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Speaker 12: ready to move the door down. When I seen them coming,

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Speaker 12: they were like just holding each other's shoulder, and it

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Speaker 12: looked like a bunch of soldiers in front of my house,

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Speaker 12: like if my kids are playing call of duty and

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Speaker 12: they're marching up the street to come to the house.

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Speaker 12: And I remember running to my son's room waking them

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Speaker 12: up and telling them the Feds are here, the Feds

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Speaker 12: are here.

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Speaker 11: Get up.

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Speaker 12: And we're talking about children that are not accustomed to

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Speaker 12: this upbringing. They're not They were sheltered. We put our

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Speaker 12: children in a bubble because we didn't want this. Can

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Speaker 12: I tell that to affect them in any way? We

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Speaker 12: didn't want them to path the ever like go through

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Speaker 12: any of this. I ran down the stairs and I

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Speaker 12: opened the door. I didn't want them to break it.

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Speaker 12: And I just right away put my hands up and

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Speaker 12: put my hands behind my back, and I think like

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Speaker 12: I'm like, okay, I'm okay, I'm fine. You could take

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Speaker 12: me now. And it wasn't until they walked into my

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Speaker 12: house and they were.

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Speaker 15: Got ar fifteens to my children and they coughted my son.

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Speaker 12: And he's a minor. At that point, it's like as

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Speaker 12: a mother, I think, like you just go to you're

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Speaker 12: just going to like survival mode, and I feel like

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Speaker 12: it just I don't remember kind of black chout, that

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Speaker 12: kind of black out would happen.

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Speaker 18: You know, This fucking team came from Vallerie and she

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Speaker 18: fought them.

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Speaker 2: They just looked at her shoulder. They mistreated her.

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Speaker 12: You know, I just wanted them to not cough my

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Speaker 12: son because he doesn't he doesn't know his life. He

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Speaker 12: has no clue what this life consists of.

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Speaker 8: When the fact came right, my had to spend two

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Speaker 8: days in jail, and it was I didn't even care

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Speaker 8: about anything, but I just didn't want to be with people.

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Speaker 8: I was like so scared.

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Speaker 2: So I asked the.

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Speaker 8: Seol there and I asked him if he can.

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Speaker 2: Put me in a room by.

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Speaker 8: Myself because of the fear that I have just always

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Speaker 8: lingering in my head. So they put me in a

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Speaker 8: room by myself. I was just like watching everybody from

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Speaker 8: the little window. This is so scary, Like never can

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Speaker 8: I ever want to be in a position where I'm

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Speaker 8: with other people that know who my family is. I remember,

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Speaker 8: you know, Peter telling me through the years how he

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Speaker 8: felt in like a prison cell and I was just

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Speaker 8: looking around, like.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it's me.

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Speaker 8: And then and then I took his advice and I

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Speaker 8: remember like things he would tell me I was I

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Speaker 8: did clean like the toilet set the scene then and

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Speaker 8: then I see just like a little bit of my food.

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Speaker 2: Just because.

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Speaker 8: You know, I listened to, you know, everything that he

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Speaker 8: went through with all my heart, everything that we would

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Speaker 8: talk about on our weekends are you know, just try

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Speaker 8: to be more than a wife, be his friend and

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Speaker 8: just hear him out what it was like for him to.

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Speaker 2: Be there.

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Speaker 8: I just like grasp onto the little things that he

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Speaker 8: would tell me that he did. And it was just

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Speaker 8: an ugly time.

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Speaker 11: I got sick from drinking w water. The water was terrible,

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Speaker 11: and I was just like thinking to myself, like I

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Speaker 11: was so worried about the kids.

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Speaker 12: The reason why we chose to not tell our children

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Speaker 12: who their dad was because we wanted to shelter them

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Speaker 12: and we didn't want.

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Speaker 18: Them to go through this.

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Speaker 12: Because this is the same exact thing that Peter and

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Speaker 12: Jay went through when they were kids. And the whole

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Speaker 12: reason why they felt like they wanted to like end

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Speaker 12: this and they wanted to like end this.

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Speaker 15: Cycle, and they wanted.

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Speaker 22: They didn't want their children to go through anything that

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Speaker 22: they ever went through, and it's kind of like, why

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Speaker 22: did we do this cyclic what we did to our kids?

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Speaker 3: Cent Jackson and Me Charlie Webster.

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