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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: Does it never end with Coultmom Laurie Valo. Well, obviously

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Speaker 2: the answer to that is no. I'mansie Grace. This is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nation.

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Speaker 2: In Sirius XM one eleven, cultmom Laurie Valo on trial

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Speaker 2: for multiple murders, including those of her own children, JJ

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Speaker 2: and Tylee. Now, according to her, she had nothing to

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Speaker 2: do with it, and she has plenty of people that

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Speaker 2: she thinks are going to take the fall. I disagree.

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Speaker 2: So where did the whole thing start? Well, it started

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Speaker 2: with sex. That's where it started. But I would suggest yes,

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Speaker 2: for the jury's purposes, it started with an email. Take

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Speaker 2: a listen to this.

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Speaker 3: Charles at Right Planning Group email address to TAMMYT Davel

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Speaker 3: at gmail dot com on June thirtieth, at twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: at ten sixteen am. The subject line in the email

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Speaker 3: is your husband and my wife and the body of

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Speaker 3: the email reading are having an affair. Her name is

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Speaker 3: Lori Vaalo. I've got definite proof or definitive proof. If

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Speaker 3: you care to see it, contact me and I'll share

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Speaker 3: it with you. It's devastating, I know, but the truth

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Speaker 3: needs to be shown.

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Speaker 4: Charles Vallow And from your review of the device, were

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Speaker 4: you able to determine whether or not Tammy Dabo would

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Speaker 4: have actually read these emails?

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Speaker 3: I did contact at least Sugar Salem School District and

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Speaker 3: asked if those were read. There's no indication that they were.

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Speaker 3: They said they could have been deleted, read and deleted,

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Speaker 3: or just deleted. But there's no indication.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, so they were deleted.

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Speaker 2: You know what, just ask yourself if you got an email,

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Speaker 2: who on the subject line? Which is basically all I

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Speaker 2: ever read anyway, Sorry, Jackie, your husband and my wife,

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Speaker 2: who in their right mind wouldn't read that? Of course

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Speaker 2: she read it with me an all star panel to

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Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now. But you know, first,

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Speaker 2: let me go to Tara Malek out of that jurisdiction Idaho.

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Speaker 2: She's a high profile lawyer and co owner Smith and Malick.

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Speaker 2: Now in addition to having your own firm, she's a

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Speaker 2: former state and federal prosecutor. That's not easy, Tara. Please,

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Speaker 2: let's just get real for a moment. Who is going

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Speaker 2: to pretend that Tammy Dabill did not read that Your

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Speaker 2: husband and my wife. That's the headline.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's completely unreasonable to think that she

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Speaker 5: wouldn't have at least opened that email and read it.

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Speaker 5: I think most of us were seeing a headline or

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Speaker 5: a subject line like that in a meal. Of course,

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Speaker 5: we're going to jump in and figure out what's going on.

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Speaker 5: Even if she just deleted it later, it certainly doesn't

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Speaker 5: mean that she didn't at least take a look. I'm

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Speaker 5: sure her interest was piqued.

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Speaker 2: Also joining me high profile psychologists joining us out of

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Speaker 2: Manhattan is Karen Stark. You can find her at Karenstark

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Speaker 2: dot com. That's Karen with a C. Karen. Really. I mean,

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Speaker 2: even if it just said your husband at the top

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Speaker 2: of an email, I would read it because he would

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Speaker 2: say your husband. If somebody wrote about David, I might

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Speaker 2: pause because it's obviously somebody that knows me that's sending

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Speaker 2: me something. Maybe it's about his birthday or they ran

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Speaker 2: into mit McDonald's. But your husband and my wife, no,

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Speaker 2: I would read that pronto. They were they kidding.

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Speaker 6: Of course, of.

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Speaker 7: Course anybody would read it. Nancy. I mean, you want,

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Speaker 7: you want to know somebody has some information for you,

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Speaker 7: But it's pretty amazing how much people will ignore something

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Speaker 7: and I know it's really hard to believe.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I don't like what you said, but

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Speaker 2: as far as analyzing this case, I'm interested in what

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Speaker 2: you said because you know how women. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go to you just to say Robin's reap, because I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you have a lot to say on this. A

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Speaker 2: lot of people they don't want to know the spouse

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Speaker 2: is cheating. I mean, they're all the signs. Do I

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Speaker 2: even have to say? Lipstick on your collar, told the

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Speaker 7: We're dating ourselves, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, Hey, that was my grandmother's song. So what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying is you may put on blinders and you

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Speaker 2: don't see it. But I mean an email. Are you

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Speaker 2: suggesting in that same line of reasoning that Tammy Dabaill

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Speaker 2: may have just said I'm not reading that and deleted it.

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Speaker 7: Well, even if she read it, what I'm suggesting is

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Speaker 7: that denial is very strong, and I feel quite positive

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now, Nate Eaton, newsdirector East Idaho News

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Speaker 2: dot Com has been in the courtroom from the very beginning.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this theory. It's a good one from Jackie

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Speaker 2: right there. Or Chad deleted because Lourie. First of all,

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Speaker 2: we do not refer to accused killers by their first name.

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Speaker 2: As you know, we had that out over OJ Simpson. Chad,

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Speaker 2: what about this, Nate? Chad dave Bail the prophet deleted

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Speaker 2: that email sent to his wife after Lori Valo told

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Speaker 2: him that her husband was sending the email. Could that

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Speaker 2: have happened?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's quite possible because the detective said that Chad

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Speaker 8: and Laurie were crafting emails pretending to be Charles Valo.

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Speaker 8: They sent an email pretending to be Charles to Chad saying,

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Speaker 8: please come immediately and help me write this book.

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Speaker 2: Well you're going too fast. You're making my head hurt. Okay,

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Speaker 2: slow down, Nate eighton what.

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Speaker 8: There was an email that Chad Davell received, allegedly from

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Speaker 8: Charles Valow saying I would love to fly you to

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Speaker 8: our house. You can stay with us. I want to

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Speaker 8: write a book with you. I want to write my biography.

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Speaker 8: This needs to happen immediately. Please respond immediately.

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Speaker 2: I don't say Charles Valo is the kind of guy

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Speaker 2: that wanted to write his biography. And I'm just basing

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Speaker 2: that on everything I've gleaned from his friends and relatives.

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Speaker 2: He just seemed like a hard working guy that loved

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Speaker 2: his children and was wondering what happened to his wife.

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Speaker 8: And he found the email and confronted me, see.

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Speaker 2: Me get my head around that night eating. Do you

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Speaker 2: know how I would fall out if David Lynch came

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Speaker 2: home one day and said, I'm going to write my biography?

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Speaker 2: I mean, what, write your biography? Just stop right there, ladies.

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Speaker 2: If your husband came home with said he was going

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Speaker 2: to write his biography, okay, I just had to digest that.

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Speaker 2: Nate eat, Okay, go ahead, Nate. That's a lie right there. Oh.

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Speaker 2: I wish I could argue this to the jury. Go ahead.

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Speaker 8: Charles found it. Charles found that email, confronted Laurie over

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Speaker 8: text message, which they read in court, gave her a deadline,

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Speaker 8: said you need to let me know by sutching such

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Speaker 8: a time, what is happening here? And that's when he

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Speaker 8: then reached out to Tammy with the email you just played,

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Speaker 8: saying they're having the affair. But Chad was involved with

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Speaker 8: all of these emails, he very well could have gotten

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Speaker 8: and delete him. Although that email did go to two

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Speaker 8: email addresses, her work email and her personal email. Of course,

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Speaker 8: we don't know if Chad had access to the work email,

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Speaker 8: and the detectives say they don't know if she actually

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Speaker 2: Okay, Robin Drake is joining me, behavior expert, former FBI

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Speaker 2: Special Agent, chief of FBI counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis Program.

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Speaker 2: That's certainly a mouthful author of Sizing people up, a

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Speaker 2: veteran FBI agent's manual for behavior prediction. I'm getting more

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Speaker 2: and more and more impressed with every word I read.

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Speaker 2: You can find Robin at peopleformula dot com. Robin, is

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Speaker 2: there any way in h E double L Tammy did

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Speaker 2: not read this email title your husband my wife?

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Speaker 6: I think one hundred percent she read it because it's

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Speaker 6: a lever of infolance choosing curiosity.

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Speaker 8: And that's what.

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Speaker 6: I listen theers do, is they put something down there

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Speaker 6: also really interesting is the theme of writing a book

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Speaker 6: and a memoir, because Laurie's dad tried that same kind

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Speaker 6: of thing years ago. You know, human behavior starts when

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Speaker 6: then that theme, that's kind of an odd parental thing

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Speaker 8: It was interesting that.

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Speaker 6: They would use that as a letter of maybe making

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Speaker 2: Now, Jackie's furiously waiving that they had been married thirty

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Speaker 2: years and they shared everything. But you know what, that

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Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean they read each other's emails. Rob and

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Speaker 2: Drake joining me. Behavior expert Karin, you can have a

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Speaker 2: cup of tea right now because you've heard this story before.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to read my husband's emails because one

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Speaker 2: time I decided I was going to investigate his every activity.

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Speaker 2: I tried to read his emails. They were awful. He's

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Speaker 2: a quote business person. They were the most boring. I

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Speaker 2: So the whole reading each other's emails and following them

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Speaker 2: and reading their text. If you're at that point, you

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Speaker 2: might as well get a divorce because all the trust

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Speaker 2: your sight. I mean, that's just too much trouble. Would

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Speaker 2: you agree with that, Robin Drake, as he's sitting there

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Speaker 2: reading his wife's emails, go ahead, yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 6: You know, when trust is lost, what happens is just

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Speaker 6: like you described, Nancy, is that there's a feeling of

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Speaker 6: And so that's what inspires someone to do those types

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Speaker 6: that's when you know, well, then we have full transparency

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Speaker 6: and there's nothing going on here.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, he caught me reading them too.

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Speaker 2: He caught me reading them, so he was very unconcerned

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Speaker 2: and I was snooping through his emails and I caught

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Speaker 2: him being good again. I can't ever catch him doing

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Speaker 2: anything wrong. Can we get back off me reading David's

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Speaker 2: emails that one time to this case? And this is

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Speaker 2: a great question for everybody on this panel, including you,

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Speaker 2: doctor g and Gorniac, renowned medical examiner, and joining us

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Speaker 2: out of Vegas. Never a lack of business in Vegas, everybody.

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Speaker 2: I want you to hear a real brain twister for

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Speaker 2: a lot of prosecutors, but I don't think it's gonna

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Speaker 2: bother this prosecutor one bit. I want you to hear

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Speaker 2: defense attorney John Thomas Cross examining to take to ray

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Speaker 2: Hermercio because if Lord Vallo cult mom Laurie Valley was

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Speaker 2: absolutely in Hawaii, how is the prosecutor going to prove

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Speaker 2: she murdered Tammy Dave Bell.

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Speaker 9: Listen with regards to the death of Tammy jay Bel.

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Speaker 10: Tammy Davill died on October the nineteenth, twenty nineteen, as

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Speaker 10: far as you know, right, yes, sir, okay, And do

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Speaker 10: you know where Lourie Daville was on October the nineteenth

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Speaker 10: or I'm sorry, at that time she was Loriie Fallow.

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Speaker 10: Do you know where Laurie Vallo was on October the nineteenth,

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Speaker 2: Where was she Hawaii?

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Speaker 10: Okay? So she wasn't anywhere near Tammy Daville when Tammy

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Speaker 2: Because she is charged with conspiracy to commit murder and

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the defense attorney is trying to do

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Speaker 5: A que of conspiracy to commer the murders of Tammy

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Speaker 8: What about that night, Ayton, Well, I know that you

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that she was two doors down when her

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Speaker 2: I was in one CEA while he was being murdered

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Speaker 8: And also when Tammy died, that she was in Hawaii.

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Speaker 2: I'm Injurie, I'm all surprised at you, okay, at your

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Speaker 6: Well, at least that she's been involved.

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Speaker 2: It's not involved in it. She's accused of murdering and

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Speaker 2: Speaking of called Mam Laurie Valo being in Hawaii, take

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Speaker 4: We'll hear that the defendant was in Hawaii at the

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Speaker 2: Nate Ayton, please tell me that the state is using

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Speaker 8: You're absolutely right, But not only that. They took out

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Speaker 2: Tara Malik joining a cybe profile a lawyer out of

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Speaker 2: and the stark dichotomy of that compared to each other.

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Speaker 5: It really does, and it's very striking. I mean, that

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Speaker 2: Doctor j. Gorniac, medical examiner joining us out of Vegas,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Gorniac. You have studied what was done to the

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Speaker 2: And of course little Tiley have been dismembered and burned.

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Speaker 12: So when I say it's shocking that it still surprises

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Speaker 2: And you know, to be a medical examiner, you got

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Speaker 3: Listen from Chad to Laurie, dated seven, twenty six, twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: Could you read it into the record? Tonight I figured

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Speaker 3: I'm a grown up version of Harry Potter who has

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Speaker 2: Every few weeks I get to escape.

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Speaker 2: I have so many emotions right now, I don't even

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Speaker 2: goddess Lover as Harry Potter's escape. You know what, I

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Speaker 2: would send him to Laurie Valo C. D. Cash on delivery.

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Speaker 2: He's yours because I don't want him anymore to hang

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Speaker 2: with him. I'll find a man that is happy to

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Speaker 2: be with me. I mean that would have broken Tammy

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Speaker 2: day Bail's heart. An adult Harry Potter, Nate Ayton really

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Speaker 2: did the journey.

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Speaker 11: Hear that?

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Speaker 2: I bet those women were disgusted.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, they heard it. They heard it. They also

444
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Speaker 8: what's going to be admitted to evidence, we assume, is

445
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Speaker 8: this text message novel that Chad wrote to Laurie.

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Speaker 2: He sent it via Okay wait wait wait, wait see

447
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Speaker 2: you're doing it again. You're just bombarding me. I'm drinking

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Speaker 2: out of the fire hydrant. What another novel by Chad

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Speaker 2: day Bail. Does he work for a living or just

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Speaker 2: write these novels?

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Speaker 8: Well, he said he wasn't on there. But he changed

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Speaker 8: their names to James and Elena.

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Speaker 2: Well, I wonder who that could be a.

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Speaker 8: Semi love affair talking about them being together, and it's

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Speaker 8: kind of erotic.

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Speaker 2: You could say, okay, wait, wait wait, I've got to

457
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Speaker 2: let a ways a repulsion wash over me. Chad Tabil rights,

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Speaker 2: I guess a MANI novel, a novella about who? What

459
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Speaker 2: are their fake names?

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Speaker 8: He changes their names to James and Elena.

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Speaker 2: James and Elena, and it describes their sex affair.

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Speaker 8: Yes, that describes them being together. And he calls it

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Speaker 8: the romance novel. And he sent this novel to her

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Speaker 8: on a text message. So it's a long, long text message.

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Speaker 2: Like that's not going to be discoverable.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's part of the police reports and will likely

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Speaker 8: be read in. But this was multiple pages.

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Speaker 2: Now, wait a minute, when you said it's time, I

469
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Speaker 2: never rotic, I think maybe you Nate Eaton and I

470
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Speaker 2: have two different ideas about eroticism. The image of Chad

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Speaker 2: Dabell and Lori Vello having sex together. I do not

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Speaker 2: find erotic at all. Is that what is described?

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Speaker 8: Yes? Yes, you could say it with PG. Thirteen. I

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Speaker 8: mean it's not quite you know, triple X. But I've

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Speaker 8: got it, Nancy, authentic to you. If you want to

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Speaker 8: read it.

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Speaker 2: After I've complained about it, of course, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: read it in its entirety. But wait a minute, Karen Stark,

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Speaker 2: please help me. Drake, I may need you in on

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Speaker 2: this too. Karen Stark and Robin Drake joining us. Karen's psychologist,

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Speaker 2: Robin Drake, FBI behavioral expert. Okay, Karen, do some people

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Speaker 2: get a sexual kick out of writing about their sex

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Speaker 2: lives or about their anticipated sex lives?

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Speaker 7: Oh, without a doubt, Nancy. I mean, just because it

485
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Speaker 7: just makes them remember being together, and also it sets

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Speaker 7: the stage for anything that will happen in the future.

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Speaker 7: But what I find even more interesting when we were

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Speaker 7: talking about him being Harry Potter, is that he has

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Speaker 7: these suspicions that he will have some freedom soon, that

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Speaker 7: something will happen, and he's predicting that in a way

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Speaker 7: that Charles Tammy, whoever is not dead yet, will be dead.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Robins, wait, please help me out. You've had to

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Speaker 2: analyze behavior for the FBI. I mean, number one, these

494
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Speaker 2: two left a trail a mile wide, like you don't

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Speaker 2: think on day one, I'm going to try to grab

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Speaker 2: all their decks, all their emails, all their phone calls,

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Speaker 2: anything I can get my mits on to find out

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Speaker 2: what really happened. I've got at least three dead bodies, Tammy,

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Speaker 2: Dave Bell, Little JJ seven and Tilely, a teen girl.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm going to read every shred of evidence

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Speaker 2: I can get my hands on. What about this?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, they're both high level wound collectors that are

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Speaker 6: seeking retribution for everyone around them. And since they both

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Speaker 6: had the sense of control because of the cult they formed,

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Speaker 6: they thought they had complete control over everyone and everything

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Speaker 6: in their purview. So it makes them feel very empowered

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Speaker 6: to do these things.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now let me ask you, Nate eight and hold on.

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Speaker 2: They change your names in the novella to James and Elena.

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Speaker 2: What about Raphael and Lily? Of course you sent it

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Speaker 2: to me, and I'm already rading it. The thing that

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Speaker 2: I said I would never rate, I'm looking at it

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Speaker 2: right now. What about Raphael and Lily?

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Speaker 7: L I L I.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they constantly have these different names for each other.

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Speaker 8: They were changing their names, going by different aliases. They

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Speaker 8: had code words among the group of when it was

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Speaker 8: safe to talk and when it wasn't if they thought

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Speaker 8: the police were listening. So the bar was constantly moving.

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Speaker 8: It appears with this group things weren't going right. If

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Speaker 8: the force told prophecies didn't come to pass, then the

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Speaker 8: bar would move further out.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm sorry, Nay eight, but it's your fault.

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Speaker 2: I can't pay attention to anything you're saying because I'm

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Speaker 2: reading this in novella.

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Tara Malick, high profile lawyer joining us out of Idaho.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're sitting down. Okay, wait and I quote

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Speaker 2: He could only giggle when people asked if she was

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Speaker 2: his wife, because yes, in fact, she was, she just

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Speaker 2: didn't know it yet. Wow, that sounds just like Chad

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Speaker 2: day Mail and Laurie Value. James is definitely having amorous

533
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Speaker 2: feelings toward Elena as they sold books together. Who could

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Speaker 2: that be? He had not I felt this happy in

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Speaker 2: his entire life. He was quite sure this was the

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Speaker 2: woman the voice had told him about. James's ecstatic because

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Speaker 2: he had already fallen deeply in love with her, or

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Speaker 2: better said he remembered how much he had already loved her.

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Speaker 2: I forgot to tell you that was in a previous line. Now. Wait,

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Speaker 2: her eyes had mesmerized him from the moment they met.

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Speaker 2: But once the book sales slowed down, she stood near

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Speaker 2: him behind the table. They looked deeply into each other's eyes,

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Speaker 2: and for the first time he knew he was in

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Speaker 2: the presence of a goddess. Tara, please help me.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think we all need help. After that

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Speaker 5: novella that he just wrote. I mean, if I am,

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Speaker 5: if I'm the prosecutor and I'm reading through these text messages,

548
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Speaker 5: I can only imagine, you know, them just jaws agape,

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Speaker 5: you know, and building that case and the themes of

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Speaker 5: their case. Immediately after reading through these messages, it's like,

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Speaker 5: you know, he's laying the path for his own conviction here.

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Speaker 5: Now you know it's going to be it's going to

553
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Speaker 5: be tricky because we also want to make sure that

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Speaker 5: we're not using him as escapegoat, and Laurie, you know,

555
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Speaker 5: gets the way Scott free here. But it certainly indicates

556
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Speaker 5: how disturbing and disturbed these individuals were, and you know,

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Speaker 5: as far as motive and intent, this only adds to

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Speaker 5: the prosecution's case.

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Speaker 2: You know, looking through I agree with everything you just said,

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Speaker 2: Tara Malick. I'm just thinking through this. This is like

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Speaker 2: every other couple that cheats on their spouses and then

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Speaker 2: they both end up dead. Charles vallow is dead and

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Speaker 2: Tammy day Bell is dead and they both had a

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Speaker 2: hand in it. So while we're laughing, and as soon

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Speaker 2: as you read this, oh, the erotic tension continued throughout

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Speaker 2: the afternoon. Okay, this is your fault and eate eaton.

567
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: But they are using the cloak of religion to shroud them,

568
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Speaker 2: and they're fantastical beliefs to shroud them from the truth.

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Speaker 2: The truth is they are cold blooded serial killers. Now

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Speaker 2: I want you to take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 2: two seven three. Wait a minute. This is the prosecuting

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Speaker 2: attorney Lindsay Blake, questioning friend Melanie Gibb. I love friends

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Speaker 2: that record your phone calls. And actually I'm not kidding

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Speaker 2: around about that, because if Melanie Gibb had not recorded

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Speaker 2: these calls, the state would have a huge gaping hole

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Speaker 2: in their case. So thank Heaven that she did record

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Speaker 2: these calls. Now you're hearing this high airbrushed a version

578
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Speaker 2: of their cheating. But here's the reality of it.

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Speaker 4: Listen, did Laurie ever tell you directly that she and

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Speaker 4: Chad would meet at hotels or motels?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: And did they actually meet at Did she tell you

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Speaker 4: that they met at hotels?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Did she tell you that they would meet at motels?

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Speaker 9: I don't remember the wording exactly.

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Speaker 2: One of the two.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, right.

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Speaker 4: Did Laurie ever indicate to you whether or not she

590
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Speaker 4: and Chad were engaged in an affair?

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Speaker 9: She would just share that they were intimate.

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Speaker 2: Was this while Charles was still alive? Yes?

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Speaker 9: Was this while Tammy was still alive?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Hotel, motel, holiday in. So it's not some steamy

595
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Speaker 2: romance novel. They're just shacking up and getting it on

596
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: at the local motel. There's no way that somebody didn't

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Speaker 2: tell old Tammy day Bell about it. Now you've heard

598
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Speaker 2: his airbrushed version of the romance between James and Elena

599
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: aka Chad day Bell and Laurie Vallo. But what about

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Speaker 2: Charles Valow He's shot dead with coltmom standing right there

601
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: doing nothing and Tammy day Bell, which brings us back

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Speaker 2: to what's happening in court. Take a listen to Melanie

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Speaker 2: Gibb describing Tammy Dave Bell's death.

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Speaker 13: My son Garth asked me the whole time, like Schuster,

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Speaker 13: which the house is in twenty minutes in passing two corners,

606
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Speaker 13: like Chacter right there on the birth. All these conspiracy

607
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 13: theories to say he's sick, he's selling assently sick. I

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Speaker 13: know it's been a toll three years, said Tammy and pay.

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Speaker 13: At a young age, I had no idea that lay

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Speaker 13: or you can be a.

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Speaker 7: Part of my life.

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Speaker 13: I just knew that my life had two segments. And

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Speaker 13: he's on a special issue.

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Speaker 8: And she's my flying kids. She's visited.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 13: There's so nationality that he just said, thank for This

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Speaker 13: is not some sort of master plan as Laurie and

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Speaker 13: I should.

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Speaker 6: Never show up her.

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Speaker 2: I love Melanie Gibb. She recorded this and as she

621
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Speaker 2: was on the witness stand, this recording came into court.

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Speaker 2: You hear the prophet Chad Dabell described me how sick

623
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Speaker 2: the conspiracy theories made him. You know, he tells people

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00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: she died peacefully in her sleep, nate eating. What was

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00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: the cause of death asphyxiation? Asphyxiation she no more died

626
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Speaker 2: of a heart attack in her sleep than I did

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Speaker 2: last night. Take a listen out our cut to seven seven.

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Speaker 4: Did she tell you anything about but she knew regarding

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Speaker 4: Tammy's passing?

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Speaker 9: So I asked her what happened to Tammy? And she

631
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Speaker 9: says that.

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Speaker 14: She had a yes, a dark entity in her and

633
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Speaker 14: they had to do what they could to get that

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Speaker 14: spirit out of her.

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Speaker 4: And when she said they did what they had to do,

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Speaker 4: did you know who she was referring to?

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Speaker 11: Her?

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Speaker 9: And her and Chad?

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Speaker 4: Do you recall if she indicated anything regarding Tammy's knowledge

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Speaker 4: of an affair or suspicion of an affair.

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Speaker 9: She said she was starting to get suspicious.

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Speaker 4: And by she was starting to get suspicious? Was that

643
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Speaker 4: Tammy correct?

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Speaker 2: And quite coincidentally, Tammy Daybill became a dark spirit about

645
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Speaker 2: the same time she found out about her husband's sex

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Speaker 2: affair with Calt Mom. Take a listen.

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Speaker 4: Do you recall if Lori indicated how long Tammy had

648
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Speaker 4: been suspicious of that before she passed away.

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Speaker 9: I would say no longer than two weeks.

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Speaker 4: Do you recall if Laurie indicated how long Tammy had

651
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Speaker 4: been possessed or dark before she passed away.

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Speaker 14: Maybe it wasn't more than two weeks, so it was

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Speaker 14: with it. It could have been less than two weeks,

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Speaker 14: but it was a short period of time.

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Speaker 4: So Tammy becoming darker possessed and her getting suspicious of

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Speaker 4: the affair, to the best of your knowledge, happened around

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Speaker 4: the same time.

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Speaker 14: About the fair part, I'm not sure, but the dark

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Speaker 14: part is yes, about two weeks before correct night.

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Speaker 2: Eight and from eastsideh News dot com. How is the

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Speaker 2: jury responding to this?

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Speaker 8: The jury, many members have been taking frantic notes throughout

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Speaker 8: the entire trial, writing stuff down. Others I've noticed have

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Speaker 8: just stared directly at Laurie Baalow. She's sitting directly across

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Speaker 8: from them. They have a view right at her. And

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Speaker 8: there have been times Nancy during this trial when they've

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Speaker 8: shown the evidence photos that there have been tears. Some

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Speaker 8: of the jurors have cried seen the bodies of Tammy

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Speaker 8: and JJ, so it was kind of a mix of emotions.

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Speaker 8: What I haven't seen is any nodding off. I haven't

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Speaker 8: seen any loss of attention. That they have been laser

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Speaker 8: focused on every witness thus far, and.

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Speaker 2: We wait as testimony unfolds in the courtroom. Goodbye friend,