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Every Thursday cop the heavy 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.960 conversation and to break us off with some bread because 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:40.440 we're waiting RepA. Listen to Waiting on Reparations on I 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.080 Heart Radio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.960 The art world it is essentially a money laundering business. 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.040 The best fakes are still hanging on people's walls. You 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.520 know they don't even know or suspect that their fakes. 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:01.800 I'm out like Baldwin, and this is a podcast about deception, 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:06.080 greed and forgery in the art world. I just walked 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:10.720 in and saw this bright red painting, presuming to be 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:15.240 a Rothko. Of course, art forgeries only happen because there's 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.880 money to be made, a lot of money. I'm listening 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.600 to what they're paying for these things. It was an 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:28.640 incredible mans of money. You knew the painting was fake. Um, 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.959 listen to Art Fraud on the I Heart Radio app, 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:56.080 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello everyone, 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:01.240 and welcome back to the Office Deep Dive. I am 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:05.800 your host, as always, Brian Baumgartner. So as this podcast 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.160 begins to take on well a new look, to take 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.119 new wings, and launch into version two point oh, which 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:13.880 I can't wait to share with you, I have to 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:20.400 admit I've been thinking a lot about how extraordinarily lucky 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.480 I have been to to get to create all of 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.600 this and to have so many of you respond so 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.520 well to it. You guys, it means so much to me. 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:33.519 So for a special treat, I am compiling the best 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.680 of the best from the Office Deep Dive into a 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:42.080 two part episode release. I couldn't include everyone, of course, 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.080 and I truly do love my entire office family, So 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.600 go back and listen to any of the episodes you 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.640 might have missed. But today we're gonna start where it 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:57.720 all started, across the pond in jolly old England, in 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.480 actually in the land that may the very dish that 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:05.040 inspired our own Creed Bratton to write this podcast theme song, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.799 Bubble and Squeak. That is, we are going to begin 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:18.800 inside the beautiful mind of Ricky Gervais Bubble and Squeak. 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:26.040 I love it. Bubble and Squeaker, Bubble and Squeaker Cookie 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:41.040 every month left over from the nat before. Do you 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:46.440 remember the first time you met Ben Silverman. Yes, I do. 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:51.000 I was walking down the street in London. I think 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.760 I was going to see my agent and the phone 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:59.600 run um and he said, Hi, it's Ben Silverman. You 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.960 don't know me. I wanna I want to remake the 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:07.080 Office for America. And I went okay, all right. He said, 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:08.640 can we meet up? He said, I'm in town. I 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.240 went right. He said where are you. I'll come to you. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.920 I've jumped the cab. I went okay, and I looked 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.919 up and I said, right, I'm right outside Starbucks in 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:21.279 ward Or Street and he went, wait there, I'll be 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.560 there in fifteen minutes, and he jumped in a cab. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.039 He got I've never met anyone like him. He came 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.000 and found me because obviously knew what he looked like 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.640 because he'd watched the Office and he talked to me 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.680 and I said, well, listen, let me introduce you to 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.159 my agent to get the ball rolling. And I took 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.920 him in to see Duncan Hayes as my UK still 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:46.280 is my UK agent, and that and that was the 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.960 beginning of it. And then I can't remember all the 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.200 details or all the phone calls, but I think the 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:59.520 next big step was we sort of auditions show runners 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:05.160 and we saw some amazing ones from my favorite programs 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.200 of all time. We we chose Greg. And I think 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.520 we chose Greg not just because of his body's work, 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.120 which was as good as anyone's and he was a 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:17.960 nice chat but I think I think it was because 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:19.960 he was the only one that brought up that he 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.200 thought it was a love story. That was very important 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:27.800 for me. That the love story. So you know, I 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:29.840 didn't want to say I never thought of it was, 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:34.000 you know, just the sitcom. You know, you traditionally sitcoms were, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.800 as I say, an ordinary guy getting into Caper's and 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.320 then you know, back at Square one and there wasn't 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:43.240 there wasn't really romance, but you know, we stole that 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:47.200 from America because you know, and movies, because you know, 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.440 there was always a love interest in movies and a 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:54.040 lot of Americans shows had more romance and love interests 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.480 than than ours. That was usually about a grumpy middle 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.200 aged man, so we we like that. And then I 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.280 can't remember what all of this this was in, but 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.280 I think it was the Golden Globes where we won 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:12.320 for the Office and I won Best Comedy Actor. I 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:16.600 think that was the same week the we went to 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:21.039 Ben Silverman's office, and I don't know it before and after, 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:25.359 but then Ben and Greg came to London. At that 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.120 I think that was nearer the time when we were 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:31.280 very getting very close to actually start in production, and 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:36.680 we worked out the translation, what was slow in America, 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.560 you know, what was the equivalent of this, and what 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.719 was the equivalent of that, and do we have this 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:47.240 and what we almost did like a blueprint to you know, 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:52.920 just americanizing stuff, and then we started. Then we started 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.440 auditions and and that was it. I do remember at 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:01.640 one point, I think before or auditions, or when we 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.800 were thinking of looking for you know, that David Brent 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.680 and I think Ben Silverman called me and said, why 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.160 don't you plane, and I said, well, what were the 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.080 point of that? I did my best. Now I want 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.680 to rest. Now I want some I want some other 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:22.800 schmuck to do a two episodes. But mainly my real 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.120 apart from the fact that I was lazy and I 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:29.040 was terrified of being working hard for seven years, I said, no, 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.800 this should be this should be made by Americans for Americans. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.400 And I was flattered that they even let us being 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.000 involved as we were. But you know, it really took 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.960 off when they started making their own show. Is the 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:48.800 first episode was basically a remake, but then it just 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.840 got further and further away, and you know, by the end, 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.040 it yeah, it was it was his own show. And 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.680 I remember that people were scared because The Office was 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.600 such a media darling, you know, to a few Americans, 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:06.800 even it's peak. I remember the Office in America, the 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.240 our version. I remember it was the biggest show on 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.920 BBC America and it had something like one point one million, right, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.960 and Ben Selden was saying, listen, there's a lot of 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.280 people that haven't seen this that won't be prejudiced. But 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:28.600 of course I remember he was worried about the press, 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.880 saying this is a you know this, we love the original. Um, 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.680 and he came up with a really good thing. When 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.520 they were saying, why would you do a remake of 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.480 this that the original was perfect, he said, well, why 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.800 I wouldn't. I wouldn't make the film of a shitty novel. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.439 I'd make a film of the best novel I could find. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:53.080 And I thought that was such a clever counter. But 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.280 of course we want to remake of something that's really 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:59.800 good at what, we don't remake of something that looks terrible? Right, 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:05.160 And then soon you know, people forgot that there was original. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:09.520 Some people don't even know there's an original. To most 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.240 Americans that they have no idea that this is a remake, 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:17.800 and they don't care. And you know, and I imagine 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.720 most people who love the American Office they prefer it 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.400 to the British version. So, and which is a great 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.720 position to be in for me. I remember once it 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:32.440 was after syndication and someone, someone on Twitter sent me 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.480 a tweet that said, the American version of the Office 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.320 is so much bigger and better than yours? How does 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:51.280 that make you feel? And I sent back, fucking rich, Well, 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.760 there are certainly worse things to feel. So Ricky was 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.440 in England more than happy to let The Office take 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.559 off in a brand new direction. Meanwhile, back in the States, 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.880 some of our cast was still keeping a close eye 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:12.319 on Ricky's work. Rain Wilson in particular, had his eye 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.200 on the prize. Were you aware of the British version 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.439 of The Office? I was. I was so my friend 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.520 Sam Catlin, he had heard about it, and he had 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.400 seen a couple episodes and somehow gotten some like British 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.760 DVD or something like that, and had like even like 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.720 an English DVD player or something, somehow had advanced copies, 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.640 and like, you've got to see it. Groundbreaking, amazing, And 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.280 so we went over like on a special occasional We've 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.440 got to watch The Office, and we were blown away. 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.840 So I was really truly one of the first people 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:45.760 to see it in the United States. It might have 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.560 been one of the first couple of thousand people to 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.480 see it in the United States, and just we loved it. 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:51.920 And then he would get his hands on a couple 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:53.920 more episodes and we'd go back and have dinner and 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.440 watched like two or three more episodes. So I loved it. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.920 And what happened was I got cast in a pilot 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:05.280 with Jeanine Garofalo for ABC. Mark Marin was in it 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.280 and Bob oden Kirk was in it. And this was 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.480 this infamous pilot that we did the table read and 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.679 they pulled the plug after the table read. So they 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.240 had sets built, we had locations, we had cast, we 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.120 had plane tickets. We were flying out the next day, 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.920 literally the next morning after the table read, starts shooting 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.319 and uh did the table read and went terribly, but 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.840 I guess what, I still got paid. And that was 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.800 the same pilot season as The Office. Kind of the 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:35.959 Office didn't really follow a pilot season when it was 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:42.000 first casting, right, So what happened was Vernon Sanders, who's 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:46.000 one of the executives and NBC executives, right, And I 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:47.640 ran into him in the parking lot on the way 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.360 to this infamous table read and he's like, hey, we 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.080 got good news and I was like, what's that is? Like, 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.160 we got the rights to make the American version of 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.760 the Office, and I was like, outside, I was like, 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.520 oh great, and inside I was like, motherfucker, God, damn it. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.719 That's fucking sucks. Because I love the British Office so much. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.080 I didn't have an idea of like even what the 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.520 American Office would be or what role I would play 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.240 or anything like that. But I was just like inside, 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:17.280 I was just kicking myself. And then the plug gets 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.240 pulled on that. And then I called my people and 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.960 I'm like, hey, I hear about this office, and they're like, yeah, 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:23.400 well there was a few months to go on that. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.680 So fortunately that the space was opened and the door 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.120 was opened. The universe works in mysterious ways, Brian, That's right, 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.400 it does, and so you eventually get a call to 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.160 go in and meet correct. I was the first audition 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.560 for the office. I have in my office at home, 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:48.960 framed the audition sheet of Alison Jones the first day 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.640 of the auditions for the office, and I was number 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.600 one on that list. So other people on the list, 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.760 or Jenna Fisher you can find. It's on my Instagram somewhere. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.160 It might even be in my book in the in 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.000 the photos included in my books, so you guys can 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.600 find it. But uh, I think Adam Scott audition. I 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.440 think there were, um, there was a lot of great 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.640 talent that auditions. My story about that I'll share with 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.080 you really quick was when Steve left Alison Jones came 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.320 to me where he had a little party, a little reception. 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.600 She came and she goes, I was looking for stuff 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.080 for Steve that I thought might be cool. She probably 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.240 gave that to you, like when she was searching around 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.400 and she hands me a sheet and it says Kevin 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:35.080 and it says Brian baum Gartner, Eric stone Street, and 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:39.040 Jorge Garcia. No kidding. So that was like the final three. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:44.400 But oh fantastic. So you although Eric stone Street is 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:50.960 way richer than you, he is now he sorry shoot sorry. 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.080 So yeah, So on that first audition, I auditioned for 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.880 both Michael and Dwight, and my Michael was just terrible. 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.720 It was just simply a Ricky gervaisin p nation. And 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.640 I knew that I had more of an affinity for 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.520 the Dwight role. Uh, and I knew that I could 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.360 really deliver on that. I just felt it in my bones. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.559 I'm like, oh, this is me, this is that's exactly 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.679 my kind of weird. Yeah, well that I mean, you're 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.000 but you were so different also than Gareth in a 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.360 British version. I mean he was much crook, yeah weasily 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:27.800 and and Dwight way more authoritarian and trying to derive power, 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:32.440 whereas Gareth seemed more backstabby. Yeah, we're different in a 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.040 lot of ways and similar in a lot of ways. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:40.080 And it was this incredible luxury to go, Okay, here's 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:44.920 Mackenzie Crook, brilliant actor, really strange looking dude, and he 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.680 killed as Gareth and was so interesting and I get 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:53.160 to steal all of his best stuff, and then there's 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.840 maybe stuff that I can add that's more of my own, 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.680 so it's win win all around. So one of the 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.320 things that do It is most known for is saying 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:08.160 absolutely ludicrous, preposterous stuff with a total straight face and 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.560 a dead pan, without any knowledge that what he's saying 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:15.520 is ridiculous. And really, Mackenzie did that so beautifully and 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.960 I really just frankly stole that from him. Another thing 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.840 I stole from him was the haircut. Um. I read 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.720 an interview with him where he said he went to 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.800 like just a local barber shop out in like Slough 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.400 or some you know, suburb of London, and he kind 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.239 of got the haircut that would be the least flattering 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.200 for his head and the most ridiculous haircut. And I 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:37.880 read that I was like, oh, I want to do that. 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.040 So I spent time in the mirror figuring out what 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.840 the haircut that is going to make me look the 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.840 most ridiculous. I have a huge forehead, and I was like, 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:51.160 I'm going to frame my forehead perfectly with these little 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:56.240 draperies of hair that will highlight the enormity of my carapace. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:57.800 Is that a word? I think it is a word. 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.560 These guys aren't even listening. Um, and then like really 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:03.520 short on the sides, and then in intense, and then 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:08.080 it evolved over time. Yes, the office did have some 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:12.360 pretty bad haircuts. Glad to know that dwighte style was 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:18.160 on purpose. I wonder what Jim's excuse was. Anyways, now 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.320 reins on board the office crew. But what about the 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:26.200 rest of the team. Ken Kappas, one of our amazing directors, 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:30.720 told us about how another very important saleswoman came to 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.840 be a part of the show. Tell me about what's 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:38.080 true and what's what's lore or fairy tale? How did 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:44.360 Phillis get cast in the show? I well, I will 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.600 tell you what happened. Okay, So, um, we were doing 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.520 uh probably you know, kind of more traditional auditions and 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:57.600 in the room, Greg myself Phillis Allison. And the setup 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:59.960 was is that I sat next to a video camera 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.440 and on the other side of the video camera, Phillis 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.840 was sitting and Phillis was reading off and Phillis was 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.879 her casting associate. And I hadn't met Phyllis. All I 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.360 knew is I was sitting next to her, and there 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.600 was a camera between us and the actors who were 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:19.000 auditioning were some of them were kind of playing it 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:23.040 to the hilt and kind of working a little too hard. Phillis, meanwhile, 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.280 was reading her lines in in this very kind of 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.400 monotonal way, sometimes not even looking up at the actors, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.439 just looking down at the sheet of paper. And I 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.240 just became fascinated with her and started looking at her. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.760 And there was a couple of actors whose auditions I 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:44.159 kind of missed because I kept throwing Phyllis these glances. 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.440 And I finally, during a break, I took Greg aside 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.200 and I said, this woman really belongs in a paper company. 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.840 And so we Greg thought about it and he said sure, 0:17:55.400 --> 0:18:00.560 And now there's there is there is one additional detail 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:05.960 that's so wonderful, and that is that after Greg said sure, 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.760 let's ask her to be in the bullpen, and she 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:10.800 agreed to do it. That Greg and I had a 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.359 discussion and Greg said, do you know if she can act? 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.919 And I took Phillis aside, and I said, do you 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:22.119 have a lot of acting experience? And she said not 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.359 not really. But she said that some years earlier that 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:30.680 she had, you know, worked in burlesque in Branson, Missouri. 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:36.000 And I said, stop it. And she then later that 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.560 week brought in a photo of herself into like a 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:42.480 very you know, wonderfully old fashioned burlescout. 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It's a storybook world for them. 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.360 You look and see a tree, They see the wrinkled 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.399 face of a wizard with arms outstretched to the sky. 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:26.280 They see treasureing pebbles, They see a windy path that 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:30.639 could lead to adventure, and they see you. They're fearless. Guide. 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:34.119 Is this fascinating world? Find a forest near you and 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.159 start exploring and discover the forest dot org brought to 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.760 you by the United States Forest Service and the ad Council. 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:54.200 So now the crew had come together and the office 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:58.719 was starting to air, but we were still very uncertain 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.840 about what are few sure would be. Every day I 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:07.080 felt like we were on borrowed time, and then lightning struck. 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:11.800 Steve landed a massive role. Here's Angela Kenzie to tell 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.760 us all about it. Forty year old virgin, right year 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:19.040 old virgin. That was the game changer for Steve. And 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:20.760 Jenna and I have talked about this where we had 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.600 this moment where we're like, oh my god, our friends 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:26.720 Steve is gonna be like real famous, like real deal famous. 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.560 I really felt like they were banking on Steve, and 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:32.919 I was like, Okay, I will attach myself to the 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:36.040 Steve wagon. I'm banking on him too. I thought that 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.040 that was a really good sign, but I still wasn't confident. 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.240 I mean I still was like when we finished those 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:45.840 first six because season one was just six, they printed 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.680 our names on pieces of paper and then laminated them 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:51.040 and put a piece of velcrow on the back and 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.199 that's what stuck to your door of your trailer. And 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.280 I went up to my ripped that, ripped it off 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:59.920 and said, I'm gonna save that. That was fun because 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:02.119 you were sure it was done. I just didn't know. 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:04.160 I mean, they were putting so much. At the time. 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:07.080 NBC had the show that was like our rival sort 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:10.000 of show that was this couple, and they were on 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:14.760 every bus everywhere. We weren't on any buses, we weren't anywhere, 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:16.359 And I was like, Wow, I've putting a lot of 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:20.160 money on those guys. Yes, there was not a whole 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:23.360 lot of confidence, but Kevin Riley, I was about to say, 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:25.359 I knew Kevin Riley was fighting for us, and I 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.000 know that's why when we ultimately won an Emmy, all 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:30.080 you guys lifted him in the air and that's the 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.200 photo that made the l a times because we all 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:34.879 knew as a cast we stayed on the air because 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:37.200 Kevin Riley put his neck on the line for us. 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:42.280 Right when did you feel like we actually had security? 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:47.720 I know distinctly. Well. I remember getting an email that 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:51.320 our first Christmas episode had become the number one download 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.840 on iTunes and I was like what and I said, Oh, 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:57.520 that's it. Mom was getting rid of for Chevy Blazer 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:05.040 and then I got a Honda. Um yeah that that 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:08.280 That was a huge moment. And it's funny. Before that aired, 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:11.480 there was a moment that was very significant for you 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.880 and I, which was boost crews. Yes, when we finally 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:17.320 became series regulars. Yep, I found out I was going 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:19.719 to be a series regular. And there's a photo that, um, 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:21.600 I think Oscar took of Jenna and I when I 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:23.720 found out, We're jumping up in the air holding hands, 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.240 and I mean up until then, we were basically like 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:29.040 week to week. Like I remember in Halloween episode when 0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:31.080 they were like, yeah, we're gonna actually fire one person. 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:37.040 We're all like, okay, Hi, how's it going. I petitioned 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:40.040 for it to be you. I want you to know. 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.119 I remember saying to my mom, I'm like, Mom, you 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:46.600 know pretty much anyone can go really and she was like, well, 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:50.960 every office needs a bitch, That's what she said to you. Yeah, 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:54.399 She's like, every office needs the bitch. I'm like, your 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.680 mom was confident that it wouldn't be you. My mom 0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:00.359 was you haven't you know Bertie Kinzie. She's like, don't 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:07.280 speak it, don't speak it put out the positive. Oh 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:11.200 so at this time, So this happens, Um, we shoot 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:15.920 Booze Cruise. It airs after Christmas. Christmas episode happens on TV. 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:21.399 It's our largest audience ever ever. Then iTunes streaming. We 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:25.080 become number one in that and then Steve wins the 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.959 Golden Globes. What do you remember about that night of 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:31.360 us at the Golden Globes? Um? I remember I got 0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.320 a spray tan because I thought I was really white, 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:36.800 like too white in my dress, and so people were like, 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:38.480 get a spray tan. And then Rain made fun of 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.320 me so much. He was like how what what? So 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.959 one day on the Office, Angela Martin is like pale, 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:46.760 and the next day you look like orange. He was like, Angela, 0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.920 I was like, I don't know, rad And then um, 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:53.000 we weren't allowed to sit in the main room. Only 0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.280 Steve got invited into the main room where the fancy 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:58.320 people were. We were in the annex and we watched 0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:02.560 him win like on TV, and we were we we 0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:06.160 about like fill out of our chairs. Literally, we fell 0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:07.879 out of this it. We made such a scene that 0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:10.320 other fancy people were like, oh are those guys. We 0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:13.880 were screaming, We're so excited. And when the party lets out, 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:15.520 it lets out into the room we were in, and 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.800 we like we tackled Steve. We're so excited. We were 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:23.040 all so excited. It's hard to put into words how 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:26.600 special it was for our little show to finally start 0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:31.159 taking off and for Steve, our our show dad, to 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:36.920 start turning into such a massive star. You know, these days, 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:41.080 with how popular the Office has become, it almost feels 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:45.480 like it's always been that way. But it hasn't. And 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.480 I think having our own special way of doing things 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:51.520 really helped to make that happen. A big part of 0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:55.360 that was having so many of our writers double as 0:26:55.400 --> 0:27:01.879 our ensemble cast. So here's mos Mike. Sure, when was 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:05.400 the decision made for writers to start acting in the show? 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.600 From the before the before the pilot? I mean Greg 0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:12.879 coming from SNL, Greg wanted SNL is very um. The 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.680 membrane between writers and actors is very thin, and all 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:18.959 the actors write stuff, and a lot of the writers 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.680 are in sketches and stuff. And almost everyone there's a 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.480 writer performer, even if he or she is only on 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.480 staff as a writer or something. And he liked that, 0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:31.040 and he wanted to get rid of the false dichotomy 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.960 of writers and actors. So he hired Mindy specifically because 0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:36.560 she was a performer. She was in a play called 0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:38.520 mattin Band that she had written in New York. He 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.520 hired b J because BJ was a stand up and 0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:45.000 a writer. He and then like we made Paul against 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.400 his will play Toby in the first season, like we 0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:50.280 forced it. He did not want to do it. He 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:53.480 hated it, he hated acting, but we forced him to 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:55.320 do it because it was so funny to have him 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.200 be the guy that Michael Scott hates more than anybody. 0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:00.000 But it was that was always the design. I think 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:03.920 he wanted everybody to to write and perform ideally, except 0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:08.440 for me, because he made me a freak. Most famously 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:12.879 and most annoyingly to me, played the character Most Shrewd. 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:18.240 Oh my god. We never talked about most. Oh my god. 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.440 I assumed it was gonna be your first question. I 0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:23.280 I know I have a whole section on it. But 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:28.000 you were so great, Um, all right, well then just 0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:31.119 very quickly, sure you were cast as most I was, 0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.359 and you're happy about that. Now. I hated it. I 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:36.040 hated every second of it. Why did you hate it? 0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:39.080 Because I was wearing wool clothes and had a neck 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.840 beard and it was always really hot and I didn't 0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:45.840 The joke was I didn't talk, and that's not a 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:50.000 funny joke. And it was always like I had to 0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:51.800 get up at four thirty in the morning and drive 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:54.600 to the middle of nowhere and wear wool clothes and 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:56.440 it was. And then the joke became with the writers 0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:58.560 because they knew how much I hated it, they loved like, 0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:00.760 what if your shirtless. What if you're on a seesaw, 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:02.840 What if you're on a trampoline. What if you're running 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:06.080 as fast as you can alongside a car like a dog. 0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.360 I was at Parks and wreck and they would call 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:09.959 me and they like, we need mos and I was like, 0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:12.400 I have a job, I have a life, I have 0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:14.640 young children. And they would just make me do it. 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.160 They would compete with each other to see what was 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:19.400 the most humiliating possible thing they could have me do. 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.640 But that that episode Paul So Paul wrote that episode 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.400 where they where Jim and Pam go to shoot farms, 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.880 and he wrote in the in the script, it literally 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.160 says Mose appears out of nowhere and runs along the 0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.800 side of the car like a dog. That's what it says. 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.320 That's I'm a human being. And so we did that scene. 0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:38.800 It was a hundred and forty degrees. I was in 0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:41.560 woolf clothes and and old work boots that like didn't 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:45.720 fit properly, and that sprint is probably a hundred and 0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:48.640 fifty yards down that dirt road from the time I 0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.720 come out to the time I had to run all 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:53.640 the way up into shrewt farms. It of course cuts 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:55.560 off long before I ever get there, of course, but 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.120 they were like, you got it. Paul was directing, was 0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:59.320 like you get a run all the way there. So 0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:03.160 I did over and over and over again, probably twelve 0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.680 or fourteen takes because Paul delighted in it so much. 0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.240 And then later in that episode, I'm in Jurassic Park 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.680 pajamas that don't fit me properly. And then Greg pitched 0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:13.040 the thing where he was like, what if there's a 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.400 loud noise and Pam goes to the window and looks 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.160 at it, and Moses in the outhouse with his pants 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.320 down and the doors flapping clothes. I mean, it was 0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.480 like it was aggressive. It was They knew I never 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:25.080 should have been. If I had said, like, I love 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:26.720 doing this, they never would have put me in the 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:28.680 show again. But because I hated it so much and 0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:32.640 was so vocal about hating it, well, you have confirmed something. 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:36.280 Moses a is a fan favorite. You hear about people 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:39.640 loving most Okay, let me tell you something. What I 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:44.760 have always said is I think Moses a writer's room joke. Oh, 0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:49.240 you have now confirmed without a doubt that it was 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:53.560 literally a writer's room meant to torture you meant specifically 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.560 to make me miserable. Yes, yes, I was in a coffin. 0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:00.520 I was like hanging upside down somewhere like. There were 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:02.360 a bunch of things that we did that were then 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.160 just cut out of the show. I was riding a 0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.880 moped over like trying to jump a bunch of cars. 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:11.760 They made me do that moped thing. I don't know 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:13.400 how to drive a moped. I don't know how to 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.160 drive a moped. No one taught me how to drive. 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:17.120 They were like, just get on and just rev the thing, 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.760 because the point was if I wipe out, it'll be 0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.880 really fun now, and then run across the roofs of 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.040 these cars again, if you slip and fall and break 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:28.760 your pelvis, it'll be really funny. Like there was the 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.280 subtext was always the worst this goes the fun year 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:35.120 it will be when it happens. Well. I this was 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.880 after you left. I mean sort of from the beginning, 0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:41.520 but then more and more Kevin started having a lot 0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:45.680 of physical comedy type stuff. And there would be times 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.920 where I would go to the writer's room and say, 0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:51.520 I don't remember if you were ever there, but I 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:55.080 would say, you guys are writing for Homer Simpson right now, 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.800 and a cartoon you can force to do whatever you'd 0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:03.200 like him to do. He can do whatever, right, But 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:07.560 I can't. My body doesn't work that way. No one's does, right. 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:10.560 Like the most painful. I feel like I still have 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.959 pain from it is the most innocuous. You would never 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:16.760 ever ever know. The office workers have to go to 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.840 the warehouse and move boxes, so they decide they're gonna 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.600 put remember that episode, yeah, oiled down so they could 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:27.440 move boxes to get to the troll, and everyone thought 0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.560 the big guy falling is really funny. So I just 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:35.640 kept falling slipping, and which means on a concrete surface 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:40.400 with oil, kneecap on concrete over and it's like, guys, 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:45.800 I can't keep You've gotta like, yeah, yeah, there has 0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.680 to be some other solution. We had a We had 0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:51.520 a similar thing on Parson Wreck where Nick Offerman's character 0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:53.960 Ron Swanson was a sort of he was a little 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:57.560 cartoonish in his abilities to do various things, and we 0:32:57.640 --> 0:32:59.360 wrote this joke where he wanted to get he was 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:02.600 eating a he got lunch and he was eating as hamburger, 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.040 and and the joke was he wanted to get out 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:06.640 of the lunch as quickly as possible. So in the 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.040 script he shoved the entire hamburger into his mouth and 0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:11.640 ate it in one bite. So they Dean Holland was 0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:13.920 directing it and he was like, okay action and Nick 0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:17.320 did his best, but then Dean was like, you you 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:18.960 really need to eat the whole thing in one bite. 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:21.240 And he was like this is a like a half 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:24.960 pound hamburger. Okay, Like I maybe the character can do this, 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:30.240 but a human can. Yeah, all right, yeah right, sorry, yeah, 0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:35.480 you're not your character, right, Okay, I I almost wiped 0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:37.960 out super hard on that moped. Like well, first of all, 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:39.920 the joke was someone pulls up in the car. It 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:42.200 was the Garden Party episode. Someone pulls up in the 0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.360 car night and I'm the valve mos the valet, and 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:45.800 I get in and they're like, just get in and 0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:48.800 tear off down this road, right, And the joke at 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:50.920 the time is why is most driving so fast and 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.640 so insistent? And so I did, and like, I tore 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.520 off down the road and I'm not a stunt driver. 0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:59.920 I don't know, like and suddenly I'm going sixty five 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:01.920 miles an hour on a dirt road and on a 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:04.920 set and the back tires fish tailed because it's a 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:09.080 dirt road, and I like slowed down and was like, 0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:12.040 oh right, I'm not This isn't a no one's gonna 0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.399 like save me. If I crashed this car, I'll die. 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.240 Because I also got in and didn't put my seatbelt 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:19.600 on because the joke was you get in and take off, 0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:21.640 and I was like, oh my god, I just I 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.160 forgot for a second that I'm not fictional. I'm make 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:30.680 sure I'm not fictional. I'm a human could suffer consequences. Mine. 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:32.919 Very similar to that was I think it was when 0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.800 there's the storyline of Dwight telling Holly that that Kevin 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.120 is slow, and there was a scene we did a 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.560 number of different ways. This didn't end up in but 0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:47.160 where I'm driving and she's like you're driving. You have 0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:49.719 a car and I'm like, yeah, I have a car. 0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:54.600 And at one point they were like okay, so do that, 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:59.160 but then get out of the car, but leave it running, 0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:03.840 like leave it leave it like leaving leave it in gear. 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.320 So like as you step out, the car is gonna 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.480 move forward and then we'll have somebody else who can 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:14.960 jump in and stop it. Yeah. I didn't ideas like profound. Meanwhile, 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:20.840 it's vedas Car, right, like her real Car. I Uh 0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:23.040 that joke that they did with Kevin in the later 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:27.960 years where he didn't know the alphabet elemento. Paul pished 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:31.960 that in season two and we were like, Paul, that's insane, Like, 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.719 you can't say that he doesn't know that he's an accountant. 0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:36.960 He's a working accountant. Like he might not be the 0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:41.040 best accountant, he's an accountant. It made Paul laugh so hard, 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.040 and the second that Paul took over the show, that 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:46.919 joke aired, and I was like, well, that's what he got, 0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:51.240 what he wanted. Six years later, Well, at least someone 0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:56.000 was having fun. But look, we all have a part 0:35:56.040 --> 0:36:00.400 to play, am I right, even if our parts happened 0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:04.000 to be more dangerous than others Like Oscar. I don't 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:08.680 remember Oscar doing any crazy stunts or being turned into 0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:14.040 an indestructible office cartoon. Right. He had the honor of 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:18.279 being the one who always got to keep his composure. You, 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:24.279 and certainly over in accounting, you were really the straight man. 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.840 Like you had your idiosyncrasies, yes I think so, but 0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:32.800 in the office you were you were the barometer of reason. 0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:38.000 Very often Jim and myself. Yes, which is what they're 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:42.040 talking about in the Coalition of Reason. That's it? Are 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.560 you you know, if you're if you're looking at sort 0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:49.319 of the history of comedy in a way, how does 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:54.320 what is? Oh? Come on, you can do it, Brian, 0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:56.960 I believe in you asked you a question the archetype 0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.320 of the straight man sort of in the history of comedy. 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.440 Can you talk about that a little bit? Is that? 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:06.480 Is that easier for you to do or is that harder? Oh? 0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:10.040 They're both good. It's apples and oranges. It's lovely. It 0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:14.640 was a lovely character because he's he's a straight man, 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.520 but he still has a little bit delusions of grandeur, 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:21.360 which you need because that you need that right right 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:26.680 that Well, nobody's perfect or nobody totally straight exactly, Yeah, 0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.399 because Angela was a little off too. She was almost there, 0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:31.360 but then she was a little off. Everybody was a 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:35.239 little off, right, Toby, every single even Jim. He was 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.800 too much of a prankster. He didn't take the job seriously. 0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:43.160 He was a little too right, juvenile, right, But you 0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:46.280 you know, I think so many of the scenes between 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:50.400 you and Steve were so special because you know, you 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:52.880 had to be a straight man in those Yeah. Yeah, 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:55.560 did just sit there and stare at him? Just stare 0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:57.600 at him? Well, and you would do that. Well he 0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:00.439 said things. You would get the laugh because you did that. Yeah, 0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:02.759 that's all you had to do. Stare at him. And 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:06.080 people at home we'll go, what is he thinking? He 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.120 can't say anything. It's his job. He's being good and 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.520 now he's excusing himself. Thank you and just get up 0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:16.040 and leave right because he's like Oscar and it's the 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.719 build up, the fucking Correll build up. Oscar, Can I 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:22.480 see you for a moment? Sit down? Um, I ask 0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:26.360 you something. Um, I'm gonna go in for a colonoscope? 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.759 And I was, what can I do to make it 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:33.040 more comfortable for him or me? And he just trails 0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:35.160 it off and just leaves it like it's like it's 0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:39.480 a solid, like a reasonable question to ask me. And 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:41.440 I'm supposed what am I supposed to tell him? I 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:45.280 think I think I just excuse myself. I'm like, okay, Michael, 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:57.840 I just got up and laugh. 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So we're making 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.560 the office right, and we're starting to get some fans, 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:47.000 but then it turns out that some of our fans 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:52.680 will actually be joining our motley crew, like the Wonderful 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:57.200 Ellie Kemper. Did you watch The Office? Brian? Did I 0:41:57.239 --> 0:42:00.680 watch The Office? I devoured The Office. I was an 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:03.000 enormous Office fan. You don't know what this is like 0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.920 because obviously you were on it from the start. But 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.759 I loved The Office. I watched it every week. It's 0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:13.239 very strange to go from watching a television show that 0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:16.080 you happen to love and then being in the room 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:19.799 with everybody. I actually the first day, of course, felt 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.279 surreal for many reasons, but it's it's weird when you 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:25.160 I think maybe anyone has had this experience. If you 0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:27.120 watch someone on a screen and then you see them 0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:31.720 in person, it feels otherworldly. And particularly because I already 0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:33.880 loved everyone on it and admired them so much, it 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:37.080 felt even stranger because yeah, I was a huge fan. 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.040 It's very weird. I really tried to play it cool. Well, 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:44.040 so wait, literally, you watched it Thursday night? Yes, yes 0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:47.080 I did. I lived in New York at the time, 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.560 and we always my my whole family was a fan 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.239 of the Office. Have I told you that? Mos make 0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:56.560 sure reminded us of my older brother John college, like 0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:58.239 when John was in college. So we had like a 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:00.120 big joke about that. But yeah, I lived in New 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:02.759 York and I watched The Office every Thursday, and had 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:09.920 you met Alison Jones before? No, So, I met with 0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:14.399 Greg and Mike, Greg Daniels and Mike Sure. I think 0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:16.400 I was meeting with them for Parks and Recreation. This 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:19.719 was before Parks and Recreation was had aired, and I 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:22.000 think that's what it was about. I really don't know. 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:24.640 It was sort of just a general hello. And after 0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:27.600 that I met Alison when I actually read for Parks 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:30.680 and Recreation, which it wasn't called Parks and Recreation. It 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:34.120 was like untitled make Sure Project. And then I didn't 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:35.920 get a part on Parks and Recreation. But then they 0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:39.879 called me back later for the Office and your first 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:43.960 day on set? Were you nervous? I was so nervous. 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:47.919 I first, okay, I can't remember the actual very first 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.839 person I met. I remember telling John Krasinski, who I 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:53.680 had read was an intern at Conan and I have 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:57.000 been an Internet Conan because my first scene, John is 0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:59.800 making a Jim Jim excuse me is making a copy 0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:02.799 at the copy machine, and I'm like sitting there and 0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:08.040 I was like like, in between takes, I was like, so, um, yeah, um, 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:12.120 you in turned to Conan? Right? Why did I feel 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.920 they need to strike up conversation? I am the new person. 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:17.880 I think I should stay quiet until spoken to. But 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:21.480 I was unusually bold and he said, oh, yeah, you 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:23.399 know Conan And I said I had turned there too. 0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:28.239 What was it? I don't know if somebody walked away, 0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:30.640 somebody saved me, because I wouldn't have I wouldn't have 0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:33.719 kept that conversation going very well. And then and then 0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:35.480 the big news, Brian, I had to dye my hair 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:38.279 that day. I have red hair, and as soon as 0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:39.879 I got there, they were like, you have to dye 0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:42.440 your hair brown. And I remember, Mindy, I saw in 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:44.680 the morning and I saw in the afternoon, and I 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.359 had brown hair in the afternoon, and she said, why 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:48.759 did you let them do that? I would never let 0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:53.480 anyone dye my hair like uh, because in my first 0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:57.960 jobs ever, they can do whatever they want. Anyway, why 0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:01.120 did they dye your hair? Well, I still don't know. 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:03.640 I think the reason was they said it looked that 0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:06.360 this new character's hair looked too close to Pam's color. 0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:10.600 But I Pam never Jenna, but I mean the character Pam. 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:13.719 Pam didn't have red hair. Did she know? Was it 0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:18.120 chest study? Yeah, I guess I'm not real good at hair. 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:20.919 I'll be honest with you, honestly, apparently neither of mind. 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:24.960 But anyway, Yeah, first day memories are sort of blurry 0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:28.239 because I was so I don't know. I don't think 0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:30.160 you can relate to this feeling, because, like I said, 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:31.640 you were there from the start, but it was just 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.759 so it was first day of school, but to the 0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:38.160 millions of degree because it was like I already I'm 0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.279 like in awe of all these people, and I'm the 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:46.080 new girl. Don't mess anything up, And of course she didn't. 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:51.560 But there was another new girl, well woman who came 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:55.040 into the office family a little later on Amy Ryan 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:59.840 and You. Our fans welcomed her with such open arms. 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:02.839 I think maybe that was because she did the one 0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:07.640 thing no one thought could be done. She completed Michael. 0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:11.880 But come on, don't we all kind of wish she'd 0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:17.880 completed Kevin instead. You came in ultimately to be a 0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.880 love interest for Michael. But I have to tell you 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:26.720 the storyline between you and I on the show, Um 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.120 gets talked about a lot, and I think in the 0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:33.520 history of table reads that we had on the show. 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:38.040 It was never more laughed because of the how long 0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.920 that joke and then he used to set up And 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:45.160 you know when I get asked now about moments in 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:51.120 the entire show where I could not stop laughing, was 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:57.760 Hugh and the button is literally if you with the change, Nickel, 0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:01.440 this is this is a ut And there was something 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:04.959 about the sweetness on your face and you just very 0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:08.719 genuinely explaining to Kevin that this was a button made 0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:12.160 me smile every single time. And I was like, I 0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:15.160 can't do it, and they're right there with the cap. 0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.799 I'm like, I can't do it, and basically then just 0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:21.319 turned it into a grin to say I'm gonna I'm 0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:25.439 gonna bang you. But that yeah, do you think that 0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:30.080 story could play now? I mean, there's so much of 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:33.439 The Office that I don't know if it could play now. Um, 0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:37.000 it's interesting. So I just happened to watch that episode 0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:39.839 because my ten year old daughter and all her friends 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:42.760 at school are really into the Office. And my daughter 0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:44.640 is a little behind the rest of her friends because 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:46.880 I think it's weird for her. But but anyway, so 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:51.759 that my husband Eric and I like we're just out 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:54.960 of her eyeline. But here comes your line like I'm 0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:57.920 totally going to bang her, and you know, I'm like, 0:47:58.120 --> 0:47:59.960 we look at each other, like and then you look 0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.279 over to her face. Does she register that, you know? 0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:05.720 Because somehow it's going right over their head, I think, 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:12.319 or she maybe shouldn't you know? Um, I mean, I 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:15.480 don't know. I think I hope a lot of it 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:18.520 still plays because I think it's well intentioned. I don't 0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:23.279 think we were cruel statistic people on this show. I mean, 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:28.040 but the stuff that doesn't play, it's interesting to think 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:31.880 about as we all think we're like well intentioned, liberal minded, 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:36.880 caring people, and the stuff that we didn't pay attention to. 0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:40.560 And so you know, you're asking me, is it okay 0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:43.719 to make fun of a person who we think is 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:49.560 mentally handicapped? Probably not, but it was really funny then, 0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:51.799 so what do we do with it? Like, you know, 0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:56.399 I don't know where that lives. Um, I certainly don't 0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:59.520 want to offend anybody. I mean, I think the joke 0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:02.480 is a on the person who made the mistake, you 0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:04.920 know what I mean, Like it's how could Holly be 0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:09.920 that thick head or or that well white? Really, I 0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:14.759 mean that it's really that it's Dwight who But I'm 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:17.160 I'm in the middle there of not using my own 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:20.399 good judgment or maybe asking for a second opinion or 0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:24.719 you know, I mean, we all we're all judgmental. We 0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:27.239 say we don't, but we judge everybody that walks down 0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:29.880 the block, you know, in our heads, in a little 0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:35.960 private tapes in our Okay, she's right, of course we 0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:40.080 judge people. We try not to, right, I mean what 0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:43.759 we try to do is something very different. We try 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:47.759 to find truth and beauty in every single part of 0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:51.400 our lives. And why well, that goes back to the 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:55.080 captain of our ship, the man we put all our 0:49:55.200 --> 0:50:00.160 faith in. Our showrunner and creator, Greg Daniels. A few 0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:03.759 people have talked to you about one of your core ideas, 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:07.440 which is the idea of truth and beauty. Yeah. That 0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:10.160 was my thing with Randall, the truth and beauty, Truth 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:12.440 and beauty. Yeah. And what does that? What does that 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:17.480 mean to you? Um? Well, you know to me, that 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.520 was I think that's some romantic poet. I'm not sure 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.919 where that came from, somebody like John Keats or something. 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:25.160 I don't know, and I don't even know what he 0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:26.880 meant by it. But the way I used to use 0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:30.080 it with Randall was that's what we're going for in 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:33.719 the camera, right, Let the camera seek out truth. That's 0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:36.200 what it's trying to find. That's the point of a documentary. 0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:41.439 What's the truth? And also not like a cynical negative truth, 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:45.200 like also where where's the beauty? It's like another principle 0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:48.600 of photography of like a good photograph is, you know, 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:52.960 a little sprig of weed coming through the cracked concrete 0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:55.200 or whatever. You know what I mean. It's like, where 0:50:55.160 --> 0:50:57.400 are you gonna do something that's a little bit inspiring 0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:01.680 but find it in a truthful way out of real world? Right? Well, 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:04.920 Mike sure talked about it, and you told a story 0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:09.160 about a parking lot, an endless parking lot with lines 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:13.960 and parking spaces, and in one crack there's a little flower, 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:17.319 a little dandelion. He said that it's funny. I just 0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:20.600 made the same. Yeah, yes, I think that that, you know. 0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:24.680 I like the notion of aesthetic, like what are you 0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:33.480 searching for in art? And the Japanese have interesting aesthetics 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:36.960 with a cracked pot. Did you mention that to use 0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:40.239 that a lot? So? I think it's called woo I'm 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:45.880 not sure but it's the notion of a perfect pot 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:51.040 is okay, you know, and we in the West probably 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:55.960 value a perfect pot, but a cracked pot where the 0:51:56.040 --> 0:52:01.040 crack suddenly makes you feel the history of the pot 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:03.120 and the people who have used it in their family 0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:05.560 and have treasured it and kept it even with the 0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:08.880 crack in it, like it suddenly cracks through you know it, 0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:12.960 suddenly we'll we'll touch you. It's those little details often 0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:16.120 of imperfections that's like a it's just a cool sort 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:21.560 of philosophy. Yes, yeah, I have this so far off topic, 0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.480 but a number of years ago, my parents were moving 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:26.680 out of their house and I went for a week 0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:28.680 and I was like helping them and throwing out all 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:31.400 of this trash and we go into like the corner 0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:33.440 of the closet and a guest room that no one 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:36.200 ever slept in, and in the closet there was a 0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:38.480 big piece of paper that was folded up and I 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:42.520 I unfolded it and it was a Kennedy poster that 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:46.719 my dad had like handed out or seen or collected 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:50.840 or whatever. And I remember saying to him, can I 0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:54.800 have this? And he's like, yeah, it's like all torn 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:59.040 or whatever. And I took it and I framed it 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:01.160 and I took it to this place and they were like, oh, 0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:02.880 we can you know, do this or that, and I 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:04.919 was like, no, no, no, the crack has to stay 0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:08.800 there and the wrinkle, the folded marks just as lightly 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:11.800 as you can matt this on something and enclose it, 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:13.880 because I want that history of it. I don't know 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:17.400 that idea. Well, also, like I mean, you know, they 0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:19.839 don't get too psychological, but you know when you think 0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:24.040 about your dad, right, you're so the relationship that you 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:27.560 have with your father, the fact how old that they are, 0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:31.239 and just the sense of like passage of time being 0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:35.280 important to that relationship and fragility of it and knowing 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:38.360 that it may not be around forever, and that I 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:42.040 can completely see why a tear in your dad's poster 0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:48.080 adds to the emotion of it. Yeah, right, yeah, totally. Um, well, 0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:52.720 there's a lot about writing that isn't necessarily only about 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:56.000 the office. But you know, like when you have a 0:53:56.080 --> 0:54:00.239 set of principles that you're trying to do for the show, right, 0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:01.920 if you're going to say, all right, I want to 0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:05.880 be realistic, I want to be relatable. Uh, you know, 0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:08.560 I want to be observational. If you're going to follow 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:11.680 those principles, you're gonna end up commenting on what's around you. 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:15.840 And this to me goes back a long way. It 0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:18.719 isn't unique to the show necessarily, but like when I 0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:20.440 was on The Simpsons, which is this is you know, 0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:25.040 complete cartoon, but the way that one Simpsons writer one 0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:28.359 respect from another Simpsons writer when I was there, was 0:54:29.440 --> 0:54:32.840 you did something super real. You had a line that 0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:35.799 just found like it just came out of a teenager 0:54:35.960 --> 0:54:39.719 and it was just perfectly you know, real to the situation. 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:42.640 And somehow, in contrast to the cartooning nous of it, 0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:45.520 that always seemed to be like a cool thing. And 0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:47.920 then when I got to King of the Hell, we 0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:50.279 used to do a lot of research. We would go 0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:53.480 to Texas. I'd take the writers to Texas every season 0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:56.319 and we'd fan out with our reporters notebooks, and we 0:54:57.000 --> 0:54:59.480 you know, we'd try and dig up unique stories because 0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:02.600 I always felt like the shows that I really liked, 0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.160 the stories were original, like something had happened to one 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:10.120 of the writers or you know, they weren't just going like, well, 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:13.000 what did what did Cheers do? Let's do a version 0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:14.600 of that or something. You had to go out and 0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:29.320 do your own work and dig up your own stories. Well, Greg, 0:55:29.920 --> 0:55:33.600 I for one, I am so grateful for the stories 0:55:33.800 --> 0:55:36.640 you dug up, and I know that I'm not alone. 0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:39.279 Thank you to everyone who was a part of this 0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:42.640 episode and to all of you out there listening. 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