WEBVTT - Nicole Eggert Meets World

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<v Speaker 1>Will, I worked with Nicole Sullivan this.

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<v Speaker 2>Week Oh isn't she the best?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>My gosh. So you worked with her on Kim Possible. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you guys actually got to be in the room together,

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<v Speaker 1>right you, John DiMaggio and Nicole and Nicole.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were the three amigos for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And you and I were together at a convention in Austin.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when I got back to work on Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>I told her, I said, by the way, I was

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<v Speaker 1>in Austin this weekend with Wilfredell. And she just lit up.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, Oh, isn't he the best? That's so fun. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she started telling me stories about the three

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<v Speaker 1>of you guys, and you know, just how funny were

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<v Speaker 1>and all of this stuff. And I was like, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she goes, how do you know Will?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Will and I were on Boy Meets World together,

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<v Speaker 4>And I thought of you guys because she said you

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<v Speaker 4>were on.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy Meets World.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I said, finely.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, to be fair, I've never seen Boy Meets World.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, I'm a little I'm a little too old

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<v Speaker 1>for it. She said, So I don't know anyone who's

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<v Speaker 1>on that show. But I it was just it was

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<v Speaker 1>so funny. But yeah, it was really great. I got

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<v Speaker 1>to direct her on Vamporina and she was an absolute joy.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's awesome. She's super funny and like you go

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<v Speaker 2>back and you watch some of the old Mad TVs

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<v Speaker 2>that she was on. Oh man, she was just killing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She's very very funny and uh, super fun to work with. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So what was she on Kim Possible? I've never seen

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<v Speaker 5>she was.

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<v Speaker 2>She go, she's the main bad lady, and so she

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<v Speaker 2>was Dracken, Draken's right hand, you know, who's supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be the sidekick, but it's actually running the show because

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<v Speaker 2>because John DiMaggio's Drakeen is just such an idiot. And

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<v Speaker 2>she was Oh god, she was just she was so funny. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was always because Christy Carlson Romano, who played Kim,

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<v Speaker 2>was at school.

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<v Speaker 1>They said she that's what Nicole said. Nicole said she

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<v Speaker 1>was a teenager. So she was never with you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Never with us. She was always there. We'd occasionally phone

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<v Speaker 2>patch with her, but rarely. And then Kim Possible might

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<v Speaker 2>arguably be the show that I was on that had

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest guest stars of all time that I never

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<v Speaker 2>got a chance to be. I mean it was like

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<v Speaker 2>Ricardo Montalbondjeane Smart, I mean, all these incredible people, Riders Strong.

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<v Speaker 5>I was gonna say I did a few episodes, but

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<v Speaker 5>I did them from New York remotely, so I was

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<v Speaker 5>a loan in a room with no other actors and

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<v Speaker 5>I never watched the show.

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<v Speaker 2>So still yeah, yeah, Elliott Gould played my dad. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like the most amazing cast and never got to meet

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<v Speaker 2>any of them. It was it was John Nicole and myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't we do Kim Possible? Rewatch episode? Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>we watch an episode?

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<v Speaker 2>The writer was on, I would love to I would

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<v Speaker 2>love to be let's do that as a place, play

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<v Speaker 2>brick that brick.

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<v Speaker 5>He's like, yeah, rick or something like that was the

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<v Speaker 5>Bullie high school jock dude. I just remember going in

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<v Speaker 5>and it's like, so, how do you what kind of voice?

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<v Speaker 5>They were like, uh, maybe a slight keanu And I

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<v Speaker 5>was like okay, and they're like, yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 6>Perfect, Oh my gosh. Basically mean the hired writer and

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<v Speaker 6>then said could you be a jock? Yeah, that's real

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<v Speaker 6>talent if you were able to pull out that's a

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<v Speaker 6>real talent again, I played a mega nerd. What are

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<v Speaker 6>the chances of that? Who's gonna tell him? I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 6>tell him.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get. What's happening is I'm in my childhood

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<v Speaker 2>bedroom and here's ron.

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<v Speaker 3>Stap me, ron STAPs right here.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also behind me right there. I'm trying to decorate

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<v Speaker 2>through himselves, not just pink Floyd posters.

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<v Speaker 3>And.

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<v Speaker 1>Doul Well is trying to redecorate his childhood bedroom. So

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<v Speaker 1>there are toys. He'd be added toys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he brought to look right. You wanted to look good.

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<v Speaker 2>It can't just be Marilyn Monroe and fake grenade.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just have to fake grenade.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, what's it? Hey grenade?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go in?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I got it ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to vond Meats World.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfordell.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey Wildcats, it's Bart Johnson. You may know me as

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<v Speaker 7>Coach Bolton from the High School Musical franchise. Can you

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<v Speaker 7>believe it's been almost twenty years since we first hit

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<v Speaker 7>with some of your favorite cast members. Producers, dancers, choreographers,

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<v Speaker 7>and or to bring you the ultimate behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 7>look at high school musical So Wildcats join me on

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<v Speaker 7>let's go back to where it all began.

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<v Speaker 8>Listen to Magical Rewind on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast,

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<v Speaker 8>or wherever you get your podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Before Michael Jacob's co created Boy Meets World, putting three

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<v Speaker 1>young actors on a trajectory that would lead to a

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<v Speaker 1>weird rewatch podcast. More than thirty years later, he had

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<v Speaker 1>already berthed some of the biggest sitcoms on television and

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<v Speaker 1>some of the less big. He first broke out with

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<v Speaker 1>My Two Dads, a runaway hit with Paul Reiser, Greg

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<v Speaker 1>Evigan and a young Stacy Keenan. Then he ran into

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<v Speaker 1>some roadblocks with shows like Singer and Sons and The

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<v Speaker 1>Torkulsns or Almost Home If You're Nasty. And then there

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<v Speaker 1>was Dinosaurs, an absolutely unhinged puppet show that included one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most shocking series finales of all time. But

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<v Speaker 1>included in this resume of pre Boy Meets World programs

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<v Speaker 1>was the show that really put Michael on the map,

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<v Speaker 1>helping pell him into one of the most sought after

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<v Speaker 1>showrunners of his day. It was Charles in Charge. The

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<v Speaker 1>show ran on CBS for just one season, but found

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<v Speaker 1>a home in syndication for three years and over one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred episodes, putting our guest this Week on millions of

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<v Speaker 1>TV sets in the nineties and cementing her as many

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<v Speaker 1>of our listeners first crush. She was also seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I'm sorry, I'm stopping you right in the middle there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I never stopped you during your intros. But it

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<v Speaker 2>only was on a network for one season before went

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<v Speaker 2>his syndication.

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<v Speaker 5>And then they recast it, so I think after the

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<v Speaker 5>first season only Scott Bayos. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So then everybody else leased the entire family.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Willie Aim like all that none of them were

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<v Speaker 2>on the first season.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, as far as I know, that's the story is

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<v Speaker 5>that he comes back to be the because he was

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<v Speaker 5>like a manny right music, a Danny or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 5>the second season was him coming in. It was a

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<v Speaker 5>whole different family and he was surprised and then yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Find out more.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry interrupting Danielle, but had had to figure that out.

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<v Speaker 8>Geez.

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<v Speaker 1>She was also seen on TJ Hooker, Who's the Boss,

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<v Speaker 1>Married with children and the time capsule of a movie

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<v Speaker 1>Blown Away, which I will ask her about today. But

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<v Speaker 1>many of you might remember her from a little worldwide

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<v Speaker 1>phenomenon called Baywatch, a show will watched for the compelling scripts, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's amazing. Absolutely. I didn't even find out it

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<v Speaker 2>took place on a beach until like season three.

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<v Speaker 1>She played Lifeguards Summer Quinn from nineteen ninety two to

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety four, a time of her life. She recently

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<v Speaker 1>unpacked for the documentary after Baywatch Moment in the Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>a film she also produced, and she still found time

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<v Speaker 1>to be an inspiration for women everywhere when she disclosed

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<v Speaker 1>her battle with stage two breast cancer in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>documenting the ups and downs of her journey on social

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<v Speaker 1>media and on her podcast Perfectly Twisted. All this and

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<v Speaker 1>she appeared on an episode of Boy Meets World this week.

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<v Speaker 1>We are thrilled to welcome to Pod meets World. Love

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole Eggert. You everything, you look great, you sound great.

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<v Speaker 3>You thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>So excited.

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<v Speaker 3>I literally got COVID for the first time, the first

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<v Speaker 3>time ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the club.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I've been on the outs of this club.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, what are the protocols? Do I call everybody?

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<v Speaker 3>Or is this just like nobody gives anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much it's the latter, pretty much.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you feeling fine? I mean, listen, it's like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a mom. We we just like I didn't even

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<v Speaker 3>catch it or even think to test till like the

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<v Speaker 3>tail end of it, Like until I was like, why

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<v Speaker 3>is my nose literally trying to leave my face?

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<v Speaker 1>Like like those of my eyeballs.

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<v Speaker 3>Were trying to like something off. So I before I

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<v Speaker 3>went in for an allergic reaction, I was like, let

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<v Speaker 3>me do it contest, and I got a positive. So

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, okay, so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, welcome, like Will said, welcome to the Uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>only five years. I mean you didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I didn't think I was. I thought I

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<v Speaker 3>was immune to it. I was like, but you know

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<v Speaker 3>it got me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we are so happy to have you here with us.

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<v Speaker 1>We always like to start with people's origin story. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know you grew up in Glendale and so depending

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<v Speaker 1>on traffic, it's only a short or long trip to Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And your mom was a talent agent, right, Yes, she

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<v Speaker 3>became a talent agent. Later I was born in Glendale

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<v Speaker 3>and then because that's where my mother was living and ooh,

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<v Speaker 3>she got pregnant out of wedlock, which I didn't discover

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<v Speaker 3>till way later too. That was still like such a

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<v Speaker 3>taboo in their eyes. And my dad was living in Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 3>my mom was living in Glendale, and he built a

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<v Speaker 3>home in Huntington Beach. So it's like when two years old,

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<v Speaker 3>I moved to Huntington Beach where, yeah, I had most

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<v Speaker 3>of my childhood there, and then coming up to LA

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<v Speaker 3>which that is not that's not easy.

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<v Speaker 1>I also grew up in Orange County and that is

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<v Speaker 1>not a quick trip.

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<v Speaker 3>No, especially when you're a kid and you're like there's

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<v Speaker 3>so many other what you think is important things to

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<v Speaker 3>be doing and sitting on the freeway. So that was tough. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>So I pretty early on I started getting an apartment

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<v Speaker 3>in Universal City and Studio City because I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't do this drive all the time. This isn't fair.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wish the drive was from Glenville.

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<v Speaker 1>That would have been significantly better. So did you start

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<v Speaker 1>in beauty pageants and then make your way over to entertainment?

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<v Speaker 1>How did that happen?

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<v Speaker 3>That absolutely happened. And it's so crazy because I was

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<v Speaker 3>that kid that like would dig big holes and play,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, climb trees, and I just wasn't the beauty

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<v Speaker 3>pageant type. And my mom my parents were both immigrants

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<v Speaker 3>from Europe and they grew up during World War Two

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<v Speaker 3>and they were living in southern California and my mom

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<v Speaker 3>suddenly found herself a housewife and heard about these local

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<v Speaker 3>beauty pageants and was like, you, you're gonna do those. And

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<v Speaker 3>so the trade off was that we could go to

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<v Speaker 3>these venues and I would be able to just enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>a day at the pool because I was obsessed with

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<v Speaker 3>swimming pools. I still am. And that was the trade off.

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<v Speaker 3>I would do the beauty pageants if I got to

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<v Speaker 3>enjoy the pool.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so cute.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we did, and yeah, but I was like

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<v Speaker 3>not interested at all in these beauty pageants. Hated them.

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<v Speaker 3>And I won and I just kept winning, which meant

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<v Speaker 3>we kept going back. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't realize that if you really wanted your mom

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<v Speaker 1>to stop this, you needed to fail with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. I tried.

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<v Speaker 3>I tried my damnedest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet Yeah, little miss don't want.

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<v Speaker 1>To be here, Yeah, little miss go brush your hair.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, so I kept winning and I made it

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<v Speaker 3>to Miss Little Missus Universe, and Miss Universe at the

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<v Speaker 3>time was like this big televised network show and and

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<v Speaker 3>I had my first television appearance and then the phone

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<v Speaker 3>started ringing and my mom was like, and we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to do this, and that's that's.

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<v Speaker 2>How I'll be getting How old are you at this

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<v Speaker 2>point or four or five years old? Yes, she even

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<v Speaker 2>really remembers.

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<v Speaker 1>Universe Petite Division at age five. Yes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, in all fairness, that was a way easy year

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<v Speaker 2>that you won.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's be honest, the competition wasn't that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Okay. So soon after you win, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Petite Universe, you're starring in commercials by age eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're in movies with Cheryl Ladd and Jacqueline Bissett

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<v Speaker 1>and Candice Bergen. Were you having fun once you started

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<v Speaker 1>doing commercials in TV or did you feel the same

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<v Speaker 1>way you did about pageants?

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<v Speaker 8>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I actually had fun because, and I'm sure you can

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<v Speaker 3>relate to this, like as a kid in doing commercials

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<v Speaker 3>was so fun because you got to see all the products.

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<v Speaker 3>At least for me, I seeing all the products early

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<v Speaker 3>and like getting your hands on them, especially the toys,

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<v Speaker 3>and like I did a ton of Mattel, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>So I like had all the barbies and to me,

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<v Speaker 3>that was just like amazing, just the most amazing thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So and I didn't really know any different, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know I was supposed to be, you know, in kindergarten.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you in traditional school at it at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, in Huntington Beach, And so we would go

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<v Speaker 3>back and forth. And it wasn't until I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>had a series regular that we got pulled and I

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<v Speaker 3>made the definitive choice to move because I couldn't. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>people don't understand what kids go through with school work.

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<v Speaker 3>And then that transportation on top of it, that commute

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<v Speaker 3>was just too much. So yeah, I was going back

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<v Speaker 3>and forth and back and forth until about thirteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, that is a lot. No, I loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved it. I was like I didn't have to

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<v Speaker 3>be in school. We got to just like hang out

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<v Speaker 3>and play with toys, and to me, it was just

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<v Speaker 3>I was having a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember your audition for Charles in Charge?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the thing is is that I didn't really audition

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<v Speaker 3>for it because I had auditioned for Alberton so many

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<v Speaker 3>times for so many shows, and he had always said,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to find something for you. We're going to

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<v Speaker 3>find something. And when Charles in charge came across his desk,

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<v Speaker 3>he called and he said, Okay, I think I have

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<v Speaker 3>the show. This is the show for you. And so

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<v Speaker 3>then I met with Michael Jacobs and then yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>the rest was sort of history. So it was sort

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<v Speaker 3>of Alberton had his eye out for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, he knew he wanted you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'd already done all the weird things Alberton would

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<v Speaker 3>ask you to do, like headstand in audition when you

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<v Speaker 3>guys are younger, so you didn't go through that process.

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<v Speaker 3>But Albert, like you would audition for everything that crossed

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<v Speaker 3>his desk, and he would he once he already knew

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<v Speaker 3>what like you're acting, he would have you just do

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<v Speaker 3>weird things like can you do a headstand? Can you

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<v Speaker 3>do a handstand? Can you like? It was just the weirdest.

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<v Speaker 1>He was very He was a bizarre guy.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I had gone through, you know, fifty of

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<v Speaker 3>those auditions already, so we were well exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>He had already checked off on your headstand, your hand handstand,

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<v Speaker 1>and your acting. You were good to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'd done all the weird bits all. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you got the role of Charles in Charge?

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<v Speaker 2>Because in Danielle's intro, so I'm the television junkie of

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<v Speaker 2>the group. And was it two different shows? Was Charles

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<v Speaker 2>in Charge something for one season? And then it changed

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<v Speaker 2>and they recast it for a second season? Now, were

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<v Speaker 2>you on from the Pie or how did the show change?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I didn't know anything about this. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was just one show the entire way through, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it was a network show that did one season

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<v Speaker 3>and was canceled and syndication was becoming, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>new thing. So that's it was. It was their hand

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<v Speaker 3>at doing a syndicated run, and so they recast everything

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<v Speaker 3>and so we away. They run in a new family

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<v Speaker 3>and it was the Pembrokes and then it was the Powals,

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, they just made this switch. It was ironically

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing that happened with Baywatch. And that's how

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<v Speaker 3>I because Alberton got me involved with bay Watch and

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<v Speaker 3>we made that crossover because they were a syndicated show.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they were a network show. Did one season,

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<v Speaker 3>got canceled and wanted to do the syndication route and

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<v Speaker 3>came to Alburton and he said, Okay, well let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll help you and use Nicole and we'll do a spinoff.

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<v Speaker 3>And we were going to do like a nine to

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<v Speaker 3>two one zero type of thing at the beach. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's how I got rolled right into Baywatch from Charles

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<v Speaker 3>in Charge. So yes, it was this formula they had going.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, do you remember feeling a lot of pressure about

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<v Speaker 1>Charles in Charge, Like feeling that there was just a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of pressure on your shoulders? Yeah, a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, interesting because at that age you kind of

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't really take on that kind of pressure of like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a show now that they want it to

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<v Speaker 3>be a success. It failed once they wanted to be

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<v Speaker 3>a success, and I didn't really feel that kind of pressure.

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<v Speaker 3>I started it right around the first day that I

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<v Speaker 3>was supposed to start high school, so it was sort

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<v Speaker 3>of that was more on my mind as a young teenager,

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<v Speaker 3>like am I making the right decision to go and

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<v Speaker 3>be on a show rather than go have the high

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<v Speaker 3>school experience? That was more of the pressure that I

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<v Speaker 3>was feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>And looking back on it, now, do you think you

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<v Speaker 1>made Do you feel like you made a good choice,

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<v Speaker 1>or do you feel like you missed out on a

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<v Speaker 1>high school experience?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I really kind of lived with no regrets,

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<v Speaker 3>and I wouldn't be where I'm at if I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>make all of these And it turns out Charles in

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<v Speaker 3>Charge was really a great and a really horrible experience

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<v Speaker 3>for me and for a lot of the cast in general.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, there's that part of it. But again,

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<v Speaker 3>would I change it? I don't really live like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of think we take everything that we messed

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<v Speaker 3>up and we learned from it and it makes us

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<v Speaker 3>better and smarter and more whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we didn't none of us met Michael until nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three. Can you tell us what your memory of

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<v Speaker 1>working with Michael Jacobs was like, We're curious if he

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<v Speaker 1>was ever any different than the Michael we knew, or

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<v Speaker 1>if he was always the same Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>Well interesting because I you know, when he was very

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<v Speaker 3>high energy, always like the high energy was there. He

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't as involved in Charles and Charge as he was

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<v Speaker 3>Boy Meets World. He sort of was there in the

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<v Speaker 3>beginning set it up, said how he wanted it to

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<v Speaker 3>go and flow and gave us all a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>direction and then sort of left it in everybody else's hands.

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<v Speaker 3>And not until I met him again for Boy Meets World,

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<v Speaker 3>and I felt he was a little bit more. I felt

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<v Speaker 3>like and it might have been the timing too, and

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<v Speaker 3>that particular episode, because I also looking back at it

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<v Speaker 3>leading up to this, there was a lot of a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of changes maybe happening on the show. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>correct me if I'm wrong. You guys were there and

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<v Speaker 3>he was saying a lot of things to me and

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<v Speaker 3>at me, and I really didn't I couldn't understand what.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what do you want to follow?

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<v Speaker 3>I had a heart, eye struggled. I couldn't follow, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was hearing him and I wanted to understand him,

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<v Speaker 3>but I ended up just really feeling confused, and my

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<v Speaker 3>part that was supposed to be an arc on Boy

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<v Speaker 3>Meet's World got cut really short because he's like, you're

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<v Speaker 3>not giving me what I want. And I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really struggling to understand what it is you want

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<v Speaker 3>for me. And it was making me just uncomfortable in

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<v Speaker 3>the role, to be honest, because I felt really lost.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I didn't have creative like license at all,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was trying to be what what he what

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<v Speaker 3>I thought I heard him saying, but I couldn't and

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<v Speaker 3>it just it was really like it was just a

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<v Speaker 3>failed a failed attempt for me. So I had a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of disconnect with him. On when it was Boys

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<v Speaker 3>Meets World Wars Charles in Charge, I think that I

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<v Speaker 3>was I was giving him what he wanted with that

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<v Speaker 3>character and it was fine. Everything was like smooth sailing.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was two very different experiences with him.

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<v Speaker 5>So was he not show running Charles in Charge? Was

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<v Speaker 5>he not like their every note session and oh wow?

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<v Speaker 3>No no, no, not hands on like that at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Only in the beginning the first couple episodes and then

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<v Speaker 3>he left.

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<v Speaker 2>Who took over?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it really was Al Burton was like the guy right.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have any sort of creative control in Charles

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<v Speaker 1>in Charge? Like, I know you were a teenager, but

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<v Speaker 1>did you feel like you got to have a hand

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<v Speaker 1>in storylines or in character development or did you really

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<v Speaker 1>leave that to all of the adults. I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>they did.

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<v Speaker 3>The writers did a really great job of watching run

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<v Speaker 3>throughs and letting us do some ad libs like letting

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<v Speaker 3>us be free in it and letting us be our

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<v Speaker 3>just goofy selves and either running with it or getting

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<v Speaker 3>an inspiration from it. I felt like it was a

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<v Speaker 3>really happy medium of but they didn't want us going

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<v Speaker 3>too far off script, Like I felt like I watched

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<v Speaker 3>you guys on Boy Meets World and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>they really kind of have a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit more room where I definitely did. Yeah, will definitely

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<v Speaker 1>hit the room.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I found that fascinating. I was like, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 3>And it was so kind of alien to me because

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, that's we weren't. It was much more

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<v Speaker 3>like the timing had to be like this, and once

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<v Speaker 3>we decided on what the jokes were going to be

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<v Speaker 3>and where they were going to land, they really wanted

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<v Speaker 3>us to just keep it there and Scott Bayo and

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<v Speaker 3>his father Mario really wanted a timely schedule and really

0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:00.400
<v Speaker 3>wanted to be out of there by a certain time day.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was very like, you know, don't put this up, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>to say your lines, to do what's written and what

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<v Speaker 3>we decided on and get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Where did they have to be? Yeah, where were they going?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean they wanted to time them off. I think

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<v Speaker 3>they just wanted out of their is all. I really kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of honestly love this. I think this is great. Next

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<v Speaker 1>the next job I have, I'm going to be like, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I can only work until two. We're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to have this wrapped up by two pm. I've got

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<v Speaker 1>places to be. Yeah, I kid you not.

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<v Speaker 3>I could you know. They would say if we got

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<v Speaker 3>into the series, he would say, I want to be

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<v Speaker 3>done by lunchtime today, Let's have this like done by lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh god, well we in all fairness

0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:39.600
<v Speaker 2>we had that too, as long as lunch was one

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<v Speaker 2>am exactly. So yeah, we were we were final. I

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<v Speaker 2>think one of the other reasons that I was given

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<v Speaker 2>a little more leeway when you were there, especially is

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<v Speaker 2>because we it was seventh season. I think by that

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:54.040
<v Speaker 2>point we knew that, like we we hadn't even been

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<v Speaker 2>if memory serves, you were in kind of the first

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<v Speaker 2>half of the season, and we weren't even picked up

0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:02.560
<v Speaker 2>for by that point the full twenty two. For season seven,

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.679
<v Speaker 2>we got picked up I think for thirteen, and so

0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:07.199
<v Speaker 2>we thought we were done, and I think by that

0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:08.880
<v Speaker 2>point they were kind of like, yeah, go have fun.

0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:09.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 2>So I think it might have been that kind of

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 2>vibe too a little bit. It was a little bit

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.359
<v Speaker 2>of senioritis for us on the set, where it was

0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, let's play all right. This part of

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:20.919
<v Speaker 2>the script is more of a guideline than anything else,

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:22.600
<v Speaker 2>because at that point, if they were going to fire us,

0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.480
<v Speaker 2>they were going to fire us. So I think it

0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 2>was more that vibe you walked into too. But I

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't know that you were supposed to be an ARC.

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:32.199
<v Speaker 2>That would have been great because I remember there was

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:34.560
<v Speaker 2>good chemistry between the three of us. I thought I

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:36.919
<v Speaker 2>didn't remember you struggling with the role at all. I

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:40.200
<v Speaker 2>remember that you and myself and Matt Lawrence. I thought

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the three of us were working really well together. So

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 2>to hear that you were supposed to be on more

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 2>than one episode is amazing.

0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think they wanted it to be a character

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 3>in the show, and yeah, that didn't happen, And yeah,

0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:53.600
<v Speaker 3>I had a great time with you guys, Like yeah,

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 3>in fact, you guys were my saving grace. I was

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 3>struggling at home, Like personally, I was just starting a

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:03.680
<v Speaker 3>really ugly, like custody battle with my daughter. I had

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:07.639
<v Speaker 3>a one year old at that time, and you know,

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 3>things were just crazy in my personal world. And then

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 3>I had Michael just like you're not giving it to me,

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 3>You're not giving it to me, and I was, and

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 3>you guys were just so amazing on set that it

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:19.439
<v Speaker 3>was like, yeah, I probably would have lost it. I

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:22.399
<v Speaker 3>think I would have combusted if it wasn't for you

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 3>guys having being so relaxed and so fun and so

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:27.880
<v Speaker 3>friendly and so welcoming and just all those good things.

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Well let's well, we're also just a huge fans. I

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:33.880
<v Speaker 2>mean we because it's like, you know, as as actors

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.199
<v Speaker 2>around the same age, we'd obviously seen your work, so

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:37.639
<v Speaker 2>we were like, oh, we get to work with Nicole.

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 2>So we were psyched that you were coming on the show.

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.080
<v Speaker 2>So there was that kind of vibe too, where it

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, this is going to be great. We

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.119
<v Speaker 2>can't wait. So, yeah, you hid that very well. That

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:49.560
<v Speaker 2>that I guess you weren't vibing with the character and

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Michael wasn't because I don't remember that.

0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:53.880
<v Speaker 1>We haven't gotten to the episode yet in our rewatch,

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 1>it's a season seven episode called picket Fences. Can you

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:01.879
<v Speaker 1>refresh our listener's memory and ours? Because I don't remember

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.440
<v Speaker 1>the episode because we're not there yet. What was your

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:09.200
<v Speaker 1>character on Boy Meets World and and what was the storyline?

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:15.399
<v Speaker 3>So she was the chancellor's daughter, Bridget Murphy, and she

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 3>shows up in the student's cafe and it's like, who

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:25.080
<v Speaker 3>who are you, guys? I'm your new boss, and she

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 3>sort of lays it out. She's like nepotism. My father

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 3>is the chancellor, I'm your new boss. You're gonna kiss

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 3>my blah blah blah blah kind of thing and kind

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:38.880
<v Speaker 3>of starts there, it ends there.

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought maybe I didn't remember it because I

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 1>had a heart out at too. I wanted to be

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 1>done by lunch and I just had to get out.

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Danielle was was a little miss Universe that week.

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:58.919
<v Speaker 1>The Division, the Division exactly, so she was doing that.

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Man, that's so funn.

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean what makes me laugh too, because you

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 3>guys say the beginning and it was like it was

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 3>episode ten and these days like that's so that's just

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.679
<v Speaker 3>such a throwback to those days, like episode ten was

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 3>like the first half.

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right exactly. Now it's like you get four episodes,

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.160
<v Speaker 2>so for the entire season, Like wait a minute, what

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 2>what's going on?

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:21.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.959
<v Speaker 2>So, uh, twenty two a year, twenty six a year

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 2>was crazy, that's so interesting.

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you're right that full that's a full setup

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 1>for more than one episode. You don't do a full

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:36.640
<v Speaker 1>setup like that only to be in one episode. Yeah, yeah, it.

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Was Yeah, I just I wasn't. I wasn't doing it

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 3>for him, and he was like, you're out of here,

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 3>and I feel like, also if i'm if I'm not mistaken.

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 3>There were some other people because there was another storyline

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 3>going on, and I can't remember exactly, but maybe it

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 3>was like an apartment somebody looking for an apartment, and

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 3>maybe there were other characters being introduced into that Subka story.

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:01.919
<v Speaker 1>That's going to be oriented Hanga looking for an apartment. Right, look, that's.

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 2>What it is, Okay, that's that's picket fences. That's why

0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 2>it's called picket fences is because you're looking for your

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.160
<v Speaker 2>white picket fence. This might be the one where you

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 2>move into the really horrible, like terrible apartment and you

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:18.359
<v Speaker 2>meet the other single mom who's there. Yeah, could have

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.200
<v Speaker 2>been it. Yes, that's okay, So that's what it was. Okay.

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, bells are ringing. And in Michael's defense, I think

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 3>he was trying to introduce a lot of new characters

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 3>in that episode. There was a lot he was trying

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:30.560
<v Speaker 3>to get.

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 2>That's what you do with three episodes left of your

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 2>entire series, just jamming as many characters as you pop.

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 2>It's episode ten of the last thirteen. Were doing, let's

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 2>introduce thirty five new characters.

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 5>Well it's funny because Will earlier you said, you know,

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 5>we were probably feeling comfortable or like we didn't care.

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 5>But I bet you Michael was feeling a lot of

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 5>pressure because I remember he was still angling for a

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 5>season eight.

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, we were all kind of like ready

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>to leave and we were like.

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 5>As actors done, but I feel like he was actually

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 5>still gunning, like we can keep this going, right, let's

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 5>not an end. Let's not let it end here, you know,

0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 5>and huh.

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, does anybody know after Boy ended how long TGIF lasted?

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>No, No, I don't either, but.

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean it wasn't on for another ten years. It

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 2>was like TGIF kind of folded not too long after that, right,

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think I don't know. Somebody's clacking

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 2>away and looking.

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 3>At up right now.

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, I'm sure. Well, Boy Mee's World is known

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>for having quite a long and illustrious guest star history,

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 1>but while researching Charles in Charge, I was really surprised

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>to run into two names that you guys had as

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 1>guest stars, Paul Walker and Meg Ryan. Meg Ryan did

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>two episodes. Do you remember them being on the show

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>or not? Now?

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I remember Paul very clearly because we were all

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 3>the same age. And you know, when you're on a

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:54.120
<v Speaker 3>show like that and you have a guest star, you

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 3>guys are all crammed into the tutor room for hours

0:29:56.960 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 3>and hours on end. I believe I want to say

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Meg Ryan was on the like maybe the original the network.

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Version, so you didn't work with him? Yeah? Yeah? What

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 1>was Paul Walker? Like? What do you remember? Sweet kid?

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, just a sweet, normal, very like I think

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 3>he was from OC as well. Yeah, I think he was, yeah, right,

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 3>and just so felt just like such a normal, down

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 3>to earth and obviously before he was the Paul Walker

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 3>just cute, cute as could be, so cute. Yeah, I know.

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 3>And I was sitting there and I think he was

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 3>brought on as my younger sister's love interest, and I

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 3>was like, she always gets cute, why did she get him?

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>By the way, the original run of ABC's a TGIF

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 2>programming ended September eighth, two thousand. Wow.

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so Boy Meets World one in March or something

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and pretty much was over.

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 2>It was like right at the end. Yeah, and the run,

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess began September twenty second, nineteen eighty nine.

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh you know what, the series finale of Boy Meets

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>World aired on my birthday, so May fifth of two thousand,

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>so just a few months later.

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 2>There you go. Yeah, so it didn't last much longer

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>after us, so they would have had to move us

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 2>off the block to put us somewhere else to get

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 2>a season eight.

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, wow, he was in a pressure cooker.

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean he really was, right.

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you mentioned that Alberton then moved you from

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Charles in Charge basically right into Baywatch, right, Yeah, did

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>you have any reservations about joining that show? What were

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 1>your what were your thoughts going into that?

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 3>You know, it was interesting because I was looking forward

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 3>to doing the spinoff of it. I didn't go into

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 3>it thinking what if I end up being a lifeguard

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 3>on Baywatch? Right, so you know, the naive Nicole didn't

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 3>think about that part. And I was leaving to go

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 3>to Canada to shoot a handful of films and then

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 3>I was going to come back and start Baywatch. I

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 3>knew that my wardrobe was coming, my hair makeup was coming,

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 3>so also very comfortable. He also put Pamela Anderson, who

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 3>I had known she was on Charles in Charge and

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 3>around the set a lot because she dated Scott so

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.479
<v Speaker 3>and I knew David Charvay already, So it felt very

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 3>comfortable going into this into that, and I kind of

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 3>didn't put a lot of thought into it. I was like,

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 3>kind of, I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 3>And then when I showed up on set, I kind

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 3>of dawned on me. When you know, fittings were just

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 3>this red bathing suit, and I was like, where are

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 3>the rest?

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 5>Oh?

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Jeez, oh man, where's the rest?

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 3>And then the show immediately took off and it hit

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 3>and it hit number one show in the world, and

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 3>then they were like spin off what they were like,

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 3>this formula, this is what's working, this is where we're staying.

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, whoa damn.

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Curiously, you just kind of touched on it with starting

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>to work out. Aside from having to quote unquote look

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 2>good or look the part, how physical was it to

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 2>be shooting a show like this all the time?

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, it was a little bit. You know, it is

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 3>running in the sand, It's like, and we're not running

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 3>in slow mocean, you know, contrary to everybody's belief, you know,

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 3>and they do they do dump you out off a

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 3>barge in the ocean, and you do have to keep

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 3>up and at least try to make like you you

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 3>know what you're doing. I mean I jumped off piers.

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 3>I would climb up, you know, up the ropes to

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 3>get back up the pier, like we were really in

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 3>the trenches. And I remember the first day on set

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 3>they had me and I was a rookie trying out

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 3>to be a lifeguard, and they had me and they

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 3>would use real, actual lifeguards as atmosphere all the time,

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 3>and we were in a race for tryouts and I

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 3>was thrown in with them and they were like.

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Keep up, keep up, and I'm like vomiting.

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 3>I was like throwing up, like trying to run into

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 3>the waves with these people, and I was like, there's

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 3>just been a terrible mistake. I don't know if you

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 3>think I'm an act, I don't know.

0:33:53.400 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I lay on the beach. I dumped under

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>a few waves.

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 5>But even just the work, like the going from a

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 5>multi cam, which is like you're in a sound stage,

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 5>you rehearse all week and then they bring in an

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 5>audience to a single cam alone, must have been a huge.

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 2>On a beach with the ocean, and I mean this

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:17.879
<v Speaker 2>is a massive thing. Yeah.

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean I've done lots of single camera shows and

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 3>movies and stuff in the past, So that wasn't that

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 3>wasn't so daunting. But the weather, like you think the beach.

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 3>I grew up at the beach. I love the beach,

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 3>but we're shooting winter months, like oh, you're freezing, and like,

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 3>good luck trying to find a dry towel on that set,

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Like you're freezing. They're like get out. We can see

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 3>the rain drops on the water. You know, it's not

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 3>just like all it's cracked up to be right, And

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 3>the overcast days for lighting were the better days.

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 6>So it was just.

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:50.240
<v Speaker 3>It's tougher.

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 8>It was.

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:51.800
<v Speaker 3>It was harder than expected.

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>Did they not give you any proper training before you

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:59.279
<v Speaker 1>started shooting, Like, hey, we're gonna try to give you

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>some lifeguard lessons? Nothing kind of on the fly.

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.439
<v Speaker 3>It was like on the go, it was it really.

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:09.759
<v Speaker 3>I think they got better at it as time progressed,

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 3>but they were still feeling out like what is this show?

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.399
<v Speaker 3>Because it went from this network show that was much

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 3>more It wasn't so fluffy, It wasn't you know, so

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:26.800
<v Speaker 3>video MTV video asque. It was much more like lifeguards

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 3>as in police it was. It was just so much

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 3>more structure, conservative show, and they were sort of feeling out.

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 3>I was very much a guinea pig of feeling out,

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 3>like how serious are we taking this as them being lifeguards?

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 3>But they did want it to be, you know, correct,

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 3>so they would help us like as we were going along,

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 3>and I think as they went down the line, they

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 3>started training people and working with newcasts coming on a

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 3>lot better but no, I didn't have any prior training.

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 3>It was really on the on the go.

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 1>We had Kelly Packard on the podcast recently and she

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 1>talked a lot about the pressure of the stars of

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Baywatch for keeping their weight, and it sounded pretty rough.

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I know it was already difficult for just being a

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:12.399
<v Speaker 1>woman in the nineties was difficult, but I can only

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 1>imagine when you're wearing a bathing suit week after week.

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 1>This must have been very hard. Was that your experience?

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:21.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean is it's a lot of pressure. And

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 3>I think especially when Kelly came on after the show

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:28.840
<v Speaker 3>was such a success and you saw the bodies and

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 3>you knew what you were walking into, I feel like

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:34.400
<v Speaker 3>that would be so much more pressure us going into it.

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 3>There really wasn't a guideline and it was like here

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 3>we are, and you know, we're just doing this.

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Luckily, I was so.

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 3>Young that and I was considered curvy. Yeah right, and

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 3>I look back and I'm like, where, what right?

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:51.840
<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean so much so that they gave my character

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 3>an eating disorder and and yeah, we had a five

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 3>pound clause that they could weigh us. Didn't want us

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 3>going above or below five pounds of our weight. But

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 3>I do, in hindsight think that that was also a

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 3>protection to make sure that there weren't that nobody was

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 3>getting too thin. I didn't have that problem. I was

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 3>more like, stay under, stay under, and so I you know,

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 3>I did start to do some working out on the

0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.080
<v Speaker 3>beach and you know, go for extra run since we

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 3>were there and the sand and do things like that.

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 3>But when you're that young, it's not that hard.

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:27.240
<v Speaker 1>It's much easier.

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:29.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, I had it. Yeah, it's much much easier.

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 3>But Yeah, as the years went on, I think the

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.760
<v Speaker 3>pressure for the women had to be intensified.

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, a lot of this comes up in the recent

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>documentary After Baywatch, which you appear in as well as produced,

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>and similar to our journey here on the podcast, you

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 1>had to deep dive into your youth on the screen.

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 1>What did you learn from that experience?

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 3>God, it was interesting. I just was learning so much

0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 3>more about the show as it went along, and you know,

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.719
<v Speaker 3>being and the producer on it, I didn't want to

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:04.920
<v Speaker 3>focus so much on myself because I was such a

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 3>small you know, it was in the beginning and it

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 3>was weird and my story. We worked on it for

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 3>five years, and so much changed, like the pandemic happened,

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.800
<v Speaker 3>then I got a diagnosis and all of these things,

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.839
<v Speaker 3>and so my storyline kept changing. So I really kind

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 3>of put that into like the back. I was like,

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 3>we're going to deal with that me later, But it

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 3>was really diving into everybody else and just learning and

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 3>really more interesting learning how that show affected their life,

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 3>like their personal life. And Jason Simmons, for example, who

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 3>was gay and he had to hide it, and he

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 3>would have paparazzi, you know, following him and trying to

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.840
<v Speaker 3>catch him making out with other guys or being with

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 3>other men, and so the women on the show would

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.439
<v Speaker 3>rally around him and pretend like they were in relationships

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 3>with him to you know, to hide this for him.

0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 3>And just hearing and learning all of these things is fascinating,

0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:05.760
<v Speaker 3>just in heartbreaking and heartwarming and all of the fields.

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I bet. I want to talk to you also about

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:23.360
<v Speaker 1>a movie that I'm sure comes up with fans a

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 1>lot more than you ever expected. Blown Away. It is

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 1>a nineteen ninety three erotic thriller with the Corris Hayman

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Feldman and you play a rich girl who thinks her

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 1>father killed her mom. It is a cult favorite, a

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of signature nineties sex scenes. What memories do you have?

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Wait, there's an era I'm sorry, there's an erotic thriller

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.919
<v Speaker 2>with the Corris This is a thing.

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, really, yes, it is a cult classic.

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:55.759
<v Speaker 2>What well, I mean obviously watching that, but what a

0:39:55.960 --> 0:40:01.280
<v Speaker 2>strange sentence to hear the nineties erotic thing with the Cory's.

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 2>I never would have suspected.

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:04.919
<v Speaker 1>What are your memories of making that movie?

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, so when you asked me, like going into Baywatch,

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:11.920
<v Speaker 3>you know from Charles and Charge. So we had blown

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 3>Away in there, and that was much more on the

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 3>top of my mind than Baywatch because that was in

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:21.880
<v Speaker 3>the near future. So I was doing that and a

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:25.320
<v Speaker 3>cheerleading movie with Corey Haim, all these things in Canada

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 3>that were so like opposite each other. But that was

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 3>scary going into that. If I'm going to be completely

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.360
<v Speaker 3>candid and honest and open now and I feel like

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 3>we finally the truth is out there, I can finally

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 3>like speak about this and it's okay. But going into

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:43.319
<v Speaker 3>that movie with those two at that time and where

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 3>they were in maybe their addiction and their careers and

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 3>everything was frightening and yeah, and it was that was

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 3>a wild, wild experience. It was, you know, and a

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 3>lot of that, A lot of the sex scenes started

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:02.800
<v Speaker 3>becoming very improvy, and it was like, wait, what's going on?

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 3>And being kind of feeling alone is like a young

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 3>woman on set with all these men and these things happening.

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 9>It was.

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 3>It was a really growing learning moment for me of

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 3>when to go wait, yeah, you know, slow down, stop.

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, there's no intimacy coordinator or anything along the

0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:21.360
<v Speaker 2>lines at this point. This is it was like the

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 2>wild West and back back in the day with stuff

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 2>like that, Oh my god.

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 3>And you know, you'd have maybe some of the actor

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 3>disappear in their trailer for hours and then come out

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 3>and clearly intoxicated, and you're like, what am I gonna

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 3>do with this? You know, right before a sex scene?

0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 3>Just it was it was a lot. It just it

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:41.399
<v Speaker 3>was a lot.

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 1>And I still looked at it as like, wow, that.

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:46.879
<v Speaker 8>Was a lot.

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.760
<v Speaker 1>And at this point you're I'm assuming you're over eighteen,

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 1>and so was your Did you have any sort of

0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 1>guardian or anyone on set that you could go to

0:41:56.480 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 1>outside of most likely an entirely male producer staff, you know.

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Not really because it was shot in Canada. The Canadians

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.279
<v Speaker 3>are really great about having someone on set checking and

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, and so there was sort of that, but

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:20.640
<v Speaker 3>it still isn't a time where we women, we weren't

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 3>really speaking up a whole bunch. And I just come

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.440
<v Speaker 3>off a show where I was being sexually abused, you know,

0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:32.120
<v Speaker 3>behind the scenes, and now it's sort of like there's

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.840
<v Speaker 3>sort of this running theme of like abuse and sexual

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 3>abuse in my life and the movie is really supposed

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:41.080
<v Speaker 3>to sort of border on that, you know, but she's

0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.799
<v Speaker 3>sort of the sexual abuser maybe in the movie. If

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:49.760
<v Speaker 3>there's abuse happening, it's just it's a very very murky,

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 3>very murky time and era, and it was a weird

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 3>time to speak up about anything. And yeah, it just

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:01.880
<v Speaker 3>was weird. No, I felt very kind of alone. I

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 3>was kind of alone on a ship out there by myself.

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned the sexual abuse on the Charles in Charge set.

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>If you felt comfortable going to somebody, who would have

0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 1>been the person you were you should have gone to?

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Would it have been your mom? Was your mom on

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 1>set with you? Did you have a studio teacher? How

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:21.959
<v Speaker 1>were you left so unprotected?

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 3>So Charles Charge is an interesting dynamic for me because

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:33.800
<v Speaker 3>because the sexual abuse was going on and it was

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 3>very apparent, and if it wasn't apparent that the abuse

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:40.440
<v Speaker 3>was happening, it definitely was obvious that I was getting

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 3>extra attention. So I wasn't always everybody's favorite person. Like,

0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 3>to be completely honest, I wasn't. I wasn't the favorite

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 3>person because I was favored by the star of the show,

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:55.239
<v Speaker 3>and so I didn't really feel like I had a

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:56.279
<v Speaker 3>lot of allies there.

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:00.319
<v Speaker 2>And so this is this is happening, and you feel

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.399
<v Speaker 2>like you're on an island because it's like you're also

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:03.879
<v Speaker 2>being singled out because.

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 1>People are mad you being sexually abused.

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Uh. And still I still feel that from some of

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 3>the cast, and yes, that's exactly true. It's like, oh,

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:19.759
<v Speaker 3>well you you got more, you know. And it was

0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 3>sort of this cast of like they would count their

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 3>lines dialogue and who had the bigger part, and I

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:28.920
<v Speaker 3>was like, I don't understand anybody that does that to

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:32.800
<v Speaker 3>begin with, and god forbid I had more dialogues or like,

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 3>it just was this. It was kind of a it

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 3>was toxic all around and the other two children Alex

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Plancy has spoken out about it and myself as an

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:45.680
<v Speaker 3>adult looking back now, everybody was suffering a form of

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 3>abuse and so it made for a very uh, very

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:56.360
<v Speaker 3>strange dynamic and a lot of hostility and feelings, and

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:58.800
<v Speaker 3>so I don't think that there was really anybody that

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 3>you could go to. And this was way before me too,

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:05.760
<v Speaker 3>And I'm being told if you say anything, everybody loses

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.320
<v Speaker 3>their job. You know, people go to jail. Like you

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 3>can't this is it absolute no. So it was this

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 3>thing of like, now this is something I have to

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 3>deal with and just keep it moving and we got

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 3>to be out of.

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Here by too.

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's also such a I mean, I

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:29.000
<v Speaker 1>want to say, impossible scenario to be in as a

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.839
<v Speaker 1>teenager and then as you you know, you you stop

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 1>doing Charles in Charge, you're still a teenager. Then you

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.840
<v Speaker 1>go into doing Blown Away and you have your again

0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:43.440
<v Speaker 1>dealing with stars who now have addiction issues, and you

0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 1>as a as a young person, it would be you

0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 1>would be a real anomaly to actually know how to

0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:58.239
<v Speaker 1>address and to see clearly all of the wrongdoings and

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:01.320
<v Speaker 1>to be able to say like hey, I would like

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.280
<v Speaker 1>to speak up and say stop or I'm not comfortable

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 1>with this. It's like we all grew up knowing that

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 1>the people who worked were the people who were easy

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:13.800
<v Speaker 1>to get along with, the people who you go with

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the flow, take direction. Well, regardless of how strong or

0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:22.839
<v Speaker 1>a sense of self you have deep down, we were

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:27.040
<v Speaker 1>all groomed to be people pleasers on sets.

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 3>You bet, and not to speak bad about other cast Right,

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:33.919
<v Speaker 3>remember those days where you were told, no, matter what's

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 3>going on, you guys are as the kids, you guys

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:38.360
<v Speaker 3>are fighting. No, you are a family.

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Now you're a family. You're a family.

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.959
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you're a family. I mean, we have talked about

0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:46.920
<v Speaker 1>this a lot on the podcast. How many people we

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 1>did not realize benefited from the culture of secrecy and like,

0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:55.279
<v Speaker 1>well we don't talk about that. Think about how many

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:57.200
<v Speaker 1>times you heard, well you don't talk to anybody about

0:46:57.200 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 1>how much money you're making. You don't talk to anybody

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:03.360
<v Speaker 1>about it. It's like, oh, wait, actually that only helps you.

0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't hurt us for us to talk to each

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:09.000
<v Speaker 1>other about the things that are going on. If anything,

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 1>it unifies us and helps make us stronger. But in general,

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:17.720
<v Speaker 1>there was just a you know, yeah, very secretive, very pride.

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:23.319
<v Speaker 1>It's just the nineties were a real not so great time.

0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 3>It's the matter. Yeah, very systematic. Speaking of that, going

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 3>into bay Watch, it was supposed to be a Favored

0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Nations and I had to sign the non disclosure that

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:36.720
<v Speaker 3>because I was making more. But if I was ever asked,

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 3>I had to say it was Favored Nations, like shit

0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:40.040
<v Speaker 3>like that it was.

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:40.880
<v Speaker 8>You know.

0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:43.200
<v Speaker 3>And then in going through everything I went through and

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 3>then getting on Baywatch and it was not received well

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:49.759
<v Speaker 3>in the press, although the ratings were there and we

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 3>were being called bimbos and everybody said, like, how did

0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:54.399
<v Speaker 3>you walk away from the number one show in the world.

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 3>So me giving you a little background of like what

0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 3>led up to this was my moment of saying, no,

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:03.400
<v Speaker 3>I want off of this show. Now I'm being called

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:05.840
<v Speaker 3>a bimbo on top of it all right, I'm already

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:09.400
<v Speaker 3>feeling all the feels and crazy in the turmoil, and

0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:11.800
<v Speaker 3>now I'm publicly being called a bimbo. I was like,

0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 3>I just need out, And that was my moment to

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 3>just step away. And I wasn't going to say anything

0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:20.880
<v Speaker 3>publicly and there was no platform for it and nobody

0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 3>was going to listen anyways. But I was able to

0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:26.320
<v Speaker 3>take remove myself and just take time away and just

0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:29.960
<v Speaker 3>go live and rebel and try to figure you know,

0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:31.000
<v Speaker 3>all of this out.

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 2>So you come off of Charles in Charge, which was

0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 2>that experience, you go to Blown Away, which was that experience,

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:39.719
<v Speaker 2>and then you come to Baywatch where now you're being

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 2>called a bimbo. Was there ever a point where you

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:44.280
<v Speaker 2>were like, what the hell am I doing in this industry?

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Why am I even here?

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.640
<v Speaker 3>That was the moment that was it, because up until

0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 3>then I had done good work, like I worked with

0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:56.080
<v Speaker 3>George Cooker or Michael Chapman. I had done something else

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 3>with Meg Ryan, and my resume was good and solid,

0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:01.279
<v Speaker 3>and I'm on, you know, a.

0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Trajectory, and I was happy.

0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 3>And then Baywatched, after all the things I was going

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 3>through personally to now be publicly being called bimbo, and

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:14.239
<v Speaker 3>I went into it. I cut all my hair off.

0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 3>I cut it short to sort of go against any

0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:20.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of sceneo type like that. I was like, what

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:22.080
<v Speaker 3>would a young girl wanting to be a lifeguard, what

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:24.399
<v Speaker 3>would she look like? Well, she wouldn't have really really

0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:27.319
<v Speaker 3>long blonde hair, she would have you know, manageable hair,

0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:30.080
<v Speaker 3>she wouldn't wear makeup, just all of these things. And

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I tried. I went into it and producers were a

0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:34.880
<v Speaker 3>little pissed off that I showed up with, you know,

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:37.680
<v Speaker 3>a bob. But I felt like I was making character

0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:40.720
<v Speaker 3>choices and and it just none of it. I couldn't

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:42.719
<v Speaker 3>make anybody happy at that point, do you know what

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean? Like, the producers were pissed I didn't have

0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 3>the long hair, still being called a bimbo in the press,

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 3>and I just I was like, yeah, enough, like I

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:52.200
<v Speaker 3>need a break.

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:57.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, something else you and I have in common. The

0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 1>club no one wants to join, but once you're in it,

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the people that are in the club or some of

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the best. You and I both have dealt with breast cancer,

0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and you have been such a helpful and wonderful advocate.

0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:15.600
<v Speaker 1>You've been very vocal about your journey and sharing all

0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:18.000
<v Speaker 1>of the updates about the choices that you've made with

0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:21.319
<v Speaker 1>your health care. How are you feeling now and where

0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:23.320
<v Speaker 1>are you in your treatment journey?

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 3>So many loaded questions from there. Well, as you know,

0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:33.840
<v Speaker 3>it's not something that you get a diagnosis, You do

0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:36.360
<v Speaker 3>treatment and then life goes on. That's what you're in

0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:40.480
<v Speaker 3>it forever. This is a forever thing, which you know,

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 3>when I got my diagnosis. Everybody kept saying, oh, in

0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 3>a year from now, this will be behind you and

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:50.719
<v Speaker 3>you'll be on your life. Okay, that's the biggest croct ever.

0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:55.560
<v Speaker 3>So I'm I'm on a lot of treatments, some targeted treatments.

0:50:55.880 --> 0:51:00.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm being tested monthly. My treatments are behind me. I

0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:02.920
<v Speaker 3>still have surgeries ahead of me next month, which I'm

0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:07.479
<v Speaker 3>excited about. I really took my time with that route

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.320
<v Speaker 3>because I just didn't know what was the right choices

0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:12.200
<v Speaker 3>for me, and I kept meeting with doctors and getting

0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:15.239
<v Speaker 3>so many There's just so many different opinions and options,

0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 3>and I really I'm somebody that needs to like sleep

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 3>on it. So I took a year to really like

0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 3>listen to everybody, digest it all, and like it's a

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:26.680
<v Speaker 3>big decision because you can rush into these things.

0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:27.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can just.

0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Follow the protocol and then you're it's this whirlwind of

0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:33.680
<v Speaker 3>stuff and then you're like, wait, what did I just do?

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:34.480
<v Speaker 3>What just happened?

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:36.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you mind me asking did you have

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.440
<v Speaker 1>a lump back to me to remove? And you did

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:42.800
<v Speaker 1>chemo and you did radiation right, because like I know,

0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:46.000
<v Speaker 1>for me, I asked if I could delay a surgery

0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:49.000
<v Speaker 1>by like two months because I had episodes of TV.

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be I had plans to direct, and

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:53.440
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, can I just wait until October?

0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:54.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was only like two or three months.

0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:57.040
<v Speaker 1>And they were like, we do not recommend that you

0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 1>wait two or three months to make a decision about

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:02.719
<v Speaker 1>this because it's cancer. We don't know what cancer can

0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:04.920
<v Speaker 1>do in two or three months. So when you were

0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:06.880
<v Speaker 1>able to take a year, is that did you already

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:07.920
<v Speaker 1>have some surgeries?

0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:11.719
<v Speaker 3>Well, so I wasn't able to have a lumpeck. To me,

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:14.319
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't even able to have a mess ectomy because

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:16.520
<v Speaker 3>the cancer was too big. It was there was too much,

0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.839
<v Speaker 3>so I needed to do the chemo to shrink it down.

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:23.800
<v Speaker 3>Then they removed it all, and then the radiation, and

0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:27.319
<v Speaker 3>so that was dealing with the problematic side. And then

0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:29.880
<v Speaker 3>I said, okay, you know, let me do all this,

0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:32.439
<v Speaker 3>let me get through it. And then I really spent

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:34.560
<v Speaker 3>a lot of time trying to detox and it's still

0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:37.920
<v Speaker 3>trying to detox my body from all that terrible stuff

0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:42.279
<v Speaker 3>that we put into its treatment and trying to deal

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:44.719
<v Speaker 3>with the menopause side of it that also gets thrown

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 3>at you, and there's just so much out there, and

0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:49.759
<v Speaker 3>there's just so much information to be had that isn't

0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:54.560
<v Speaker 3>given to you by regular general practice practicing doctors. Right

0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 3>that my on colleges has no idea of anything to

0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 3>help with anything except my key protocol. You know. It's

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:06.759
<v Speaker 3>so I I just have really been exploring everything, all

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:10.160
<v Speaker 3>the supplements, doing all the things, trying to make my

0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:13.000
<v Speaker 3>bring myself back to life because my body I really

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:15.879
<v Speaker 3>went through it, really and I know you did too.

0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:20.560
<v Speaker 3>It's just it's chemo is Oh, it's a beast, and

0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:23.920
<v Speaker 3>you know they threw the strongest ones at me. And

0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:27.480
<v Speaker 3>once you do it, you can't do it again. So

0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:29.680
<v Speaker 3>it's like I need for this not only to be

0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:32.279
<v Speaker 3>effective for now, I need like for this not to

0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:34.520
<v Speaker 3>come back exactly. How do we How do I learn

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:37.200
<v Speaker 3>how I got here? Because they say not to think

0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:39.240
<v Speaker 3>about that, but I'm sorry, I'm going to think about

0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 3>that because along in my preventative treatment here, I want

0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:46.719
<v Speaker 3>to know what I was doing that got me here,

0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:49.640
<v Speaker 3>if anything, And of course there are and what choices

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:52.279
<v Speaker 3>can I can I also make in my personal life

0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:55.360
<v Speaker 3>and my daily life that will help not bring me

0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 3>back here? So I really just dove into that, and

0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:02.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm just always at the doctor. I'm so sick of it.

0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:06.040
<v Speaker 3>I go in every month and then I get a

0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Zolodex treatment, and then I have to come back for

0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:12.560
<v Speaker 3>the next week to get blood injections because my white

0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:15.200
<v Speaker 3>blood cell count gets really low. So I have two

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:17.239
<v Speaker 3>good weeks out of every month. The other two or

0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 3>i'm there, I'm at the treatment facility, so it's really

0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 3>all consuming.

0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:23.880
<v Speaker 1>And then, like you said, even in those two quote

0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:28.839
<v Speaker 1>unquote good weeks, you're still dealing with menopause symptoms. Yes,

0:54:29.040 --> 0:54:31.120
<v Speaker 1>so even when you're feeling good, you're still not really

0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:32.160
<v Speaker 1>feeling that great.

0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:37.560
<v Speaker 3>You got it. That's that's actually one hundred percent true.

0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:41.239
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, so that's just and I spend all of

0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:44.680
<v Speaker 3>that time feeling that I'm feeling good, trying to learn,

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:47.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, educating myself and testing all these things and

0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:51.319
<v Speaker 3>talking to doctors, and so it's just this ongoing thing

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:53.360
<v Speaker 3>for me, and I just want to have all the information.

0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 3>God forbid, anybody else I know gets diagnosed, my children

0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:00.160
<v Speaker 3>get diagnosed, if I ever get diagnosed again, and I

0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:03.759
<v Speaker 3>just want It's something that I wasn't just gonna put

0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 3>behind me. It's something that I really it hit me

0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:08.560
<v Speaker 3>hard and it's something that I needed to embrace and

0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:12.800
<v Speaker 3>understand more and you know, realize like how did I

0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:14.920
<v Speaker 3>get here? Because I felt like I know how I

0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:16.759
<v Speaker 3>got here. I know, I know what it is, and

0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:18.879
<v Speaker 3>I just want to make sure that I don't go back.

0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Well I was in touch with you. We have

0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.520
<v Speaker 1>texted and been there for each other on surgery days

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and you know, symptom checking, and we both had not

0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:36.480
<v Speaker 1>so great recoveries from our lymph node removals, and we

0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:37.759
<v Speaker 1>we were like.

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:38.640
<v Speaker 8>What is this?

0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:40.040
<v Speaker 1>What is going on?

0:55:41.320 --> 0:55:44.160
<v Speaker 3>Another thing nobody tells me about, right, like nobody prepares

0:55:44.200 --> 0:55:44.480
<v Speaker 3>you for it.

0:55:44.520 --> 0:55:45.920
<v Speaker 1>We're like, okay, we're going to go in, we're going

0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:47.919
<v Speaker 1>to remove the cancer. Well we're gonna have to test

0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:49.920
<v Speaker 1>some lymph nodes. And you think, okay, no big deal.

0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:53.000
<v Speaker 1>And then you're like, that recovery is terrible and that

0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:57.759
<v Speaker 1>scar and that incision and now also it's hard to

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:01.240
<v Speaker 1>have your limph fluid drain because you're missing lymph nodes

0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:04.400
<v Speaker 1>and so you were swelling. It's it's delightful, but it

0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:08.759
<v Speaker 1>was nice to have you to talk to and to

0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:14.400
<v Speaker 1>be there for each other and literally everyone in the

0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:17.959
<v Speaker 1>breast cancer community is the same way. They hear someone

0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:20.640
<v Speaker 1>else has been diagnosed and give her my phone number,

0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:23.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, have her reach out to me. Let's talk

0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and we share doctor information and things that we've learned.

0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:29.440
<v Speaker 1>So it's like I said, it's a group nobody ever

0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:31.319
<v Speaker 1>wants to join, but once you're in it, you're gonna

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:32.359
<v Speaker 1>meet some of the best people ever.

0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:35.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you really do. And how are you feeling.

0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:39.200
<v Speaker 1>How is I'm doing? Well? I'm done. I finished my radiation.

0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I've I've finished active treatment, but I still have my

0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:45.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm taking tamoxifen every day and so there

0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 1>those side effects come and go and have new ones

0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:50.359
<v Speaker 1>pop up, and I have to find ways of managing those.

0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:54.840
<v Speaker 1>And but I did have my first clear mammogram just

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:58.439
<v Speaker 1>this past June, so exactly, you know, one year later,

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:04.480
<v Speaker 1>now my mammogram is clear. So now it's just the

0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:07.759
<v Speaker 1>trying not to have anxiety on the in between. You know,

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:12.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like I was I when I walked in to

0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:15.799
<v Speaker 1>have my mammogram, I was like, here's the spot where

0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:19.120
<v Speaker 1>last time I was here it was not so good news.

0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:22.640
<v Speaker 1>And you know, thankfully now they give you your results

0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:24.720
<v Speaker 1>after you've had breast cancer. They give you your results

0:57:24.840 --> 0:57:26.560
<v Speaker 1>right then and there. You don't have to like go

0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:30.600
<v Speaker 1>do they wait three days? Which is nice because I

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:32.400
<v Speaker 1>walked in and I was just like, if they don't

0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:35.760
<v Speaker 1>tell me real soon, I'm gonna just be sweating for

0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:38.160
<v Speaker 1>three days. But they told me right then and there.

0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, as somebody who deals with anxiety all the time,

0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:42.880
<v Speaker 2>the easiest way to get rid of it is just

0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:46.560
<v Speaker 2>tell yourself you can't have yeah, like, oh, I just

0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna stop being anxious.

0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:50.480
<v Speaker 3>It's just that.

0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:52.480
<v Speaker 1>It's over.

0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:57.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so they actually call it anxiety exactly.

0:57:57.640 --> 0:57:58.560
<v Speaker 2>I could imagine.

0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:01.600
<v Speaker 3>I have seats, tea scans and MRIs that's what I

0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:03.400
<v Speaker 3>have to do those every three months, and we do

0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:05.480
<v Speaker 3>blood markers once a month. But I have to wait

0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:07.840
<v Speaker 3>for my results. I'm not getting them immediate.

0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:11.960
<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, well those MRIs and cts probably yeah. Yeah,

0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Well I wish they would. I wish they would give

0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:14.400
<v Speaker 1>them to you.

0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.919
<v Speaker 2>Just ye, that would help so much, it would.

0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:18.440
<v Speaker 3>Well.

0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:22.200
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned that you have two daughters, Dylan and Keegan.

0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Uh have they how have they been for you during

0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>all of this time? And what is your really what

0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:31.160
<v Speaker 1>is your overall relationship with like with your girls.

0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, my oldest lives in New York, so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>she didn't have to actually witness a lot of it

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<v Speaker 3>like my young one did. But they're just they're supportive.

0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:48.920
<v Speaker 3>They they bring me to a place of taking me

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<v Speaker 3>outside myself too, because it's like you know, when your mom,

0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:55.720
<v Speaker 3>you it gives you purpose and it keeps you from

0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:59.160
<v Speaker 3>maybe feeling sorry for yourself or you know, it's like

0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:01.800
<v Speaker 3>you have stuff to to and you have this role

0:59:01.920 --> 0:59:06.200
<v Speaker 3>to play or be and you just life is so

0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:08.560
<v Speaker 3>much bigger than yourself when you're a mom, right or

0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:11.880
<v Speaker 3>a parent, And so they just really gave me a

0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:16.400
<v Speaker 3>sense of like responsibility to get healthy and to remain

0:59:16.520 --> 0:59:19.960
<v Speaker 3>healthy if nothing else. They have done that the most

0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:23.160
<v Speaker 3>for me and just really sort of looking at me

0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:28.040
<v Speaker 3>to see how how I'm going to handle it right,

0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:31.760
<v Speaker 3>And so it's this moment of I have to show

0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:34.560
<v Speaker 3>them that, you know, you how you handle it? How

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:36.640
<v Speaker 3>do you roll up your sleeves and handle this and

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<v Speaker 3>not crumble? And it's given me a lot of motivation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really kind of been my my motivator and and

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<v Speaker 3>really just giving me my purpose and and having a

0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:54.000
<v Speaker 3>young one, I you know, I'm an unpaid uber driver.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's be honest. She's going to be fourteen next week. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>so she's you know, twelve, eleven and twelve, and it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I have to be a mom.

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<v Speaker 1>There's lunches to be made, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Rides to be given and things to do, which it's

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<v Speaker 3>such a good distraction.

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<v Speaker 1>Mom.

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<v Speaker 2>It sucks that you're going through this, but I have.

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<v Speaker 3>To be at the Yeah, it's really it's like, kid,

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<v Speaker 3>are you are you gonna be able to get us

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<v Speaker 3>at three? Yes? Yeah. But she's been great because she

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<v Speaker 3>she has to go through it emotionally too with me,

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<v Speaker 3>And so there were there were moments of like in

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning when there would be like I would get overwhelmed.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if this happened to you, but I

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<v Speaker 3>would get overwhelmed or over stimulated. We did you do chemo?

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<v Speaker 1>I did not have to do chemo. Yeah, game changer,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know. It's it's literally the biggest blessing

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<v Speaker 1>of my situation was I did not need chemo. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even imagine, No, I really can't.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's these moments of like feeling overwhelmed in public,

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<v Speaker 3>like sensory overload was one of my side effects, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I would look at her and she would say like,

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<v Speaker 3>are you okay? And we would have we had this

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<v Speaker 3>moment early on where she said, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>to say or what to do, and I said, it's okay,

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<v Speaker 3>like neither do I, Right, I just need to sit,

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<v Speaker 3>like let's just sit and hug and be quiet. And

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<v Speaker 3>we sort of learned it together like that, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no there is no strength. There is nothing stronger

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<v Speaker 3>than you know, a good hug from your children, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>or it's just you know, sitting there, quiet and just

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<v Speaker 3>an understanding of okay, this is so weird. And all

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<v Speaker 3>I can say is this is too much right now

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<v Speaker 3>and we're just going to sit and we don't have

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<v Speaker 3>any answers and we don't have to. And there was

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<v Speaker 3>just it was powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>What a yeah, yeah, what a blessing that you had

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<v Speaker 1>her to be able to like you said, like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no medicine like a hug from your kids. You know

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<v Speaker 1>it's true.

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<v Speaker 3>That's yeah. Well, before we let you.

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<v Speaker 1>Go, I want to talk to you about your podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>Perfectly Twisted. I was recently a guest. Why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>tell us about that? And and what has it been

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<v Speaker 1>as meaningful for you as as our podcast has been

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<v Speaker 1>for us?

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<v Speaker 3>It has. I I wasn't so sure it was gonna be.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I don't know what I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about for an hour every day, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if I want to talk for or every week.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I want to talk that much.

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<v Speaker 3>So I got into it, and I really wanted it

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<v Speaker 3>to be a wide variety of topics and whatever I

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<v Speaker 3>was feeling like talking about that week, which has been

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<v Speaker 3>beneficial for me because it's hard for me to stay

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<v Speaker 3>on track.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Danielle, Danielle, she keeps us on job. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have that.

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<v Speaker 4>That is not me.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I get a lot of joy and I

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<v Speaker 3>get to talk. It's been sort of a social life.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been a catch up, it's been a learning experience.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's been a lot of things for me, and

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. I absolutely love it. And I love

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm not tied to one subject. And I love

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<v Speaker 3>that it's uncensored and we can talk about whatever and

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<v Speaker 3>there's no there's no boundaries and it's such freedom. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when you reached out to me and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can you be a guest on my podcast? And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like sure, And immediately I thought, Okay, she probably

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<v Speaker 1>wants to talk about our cancer journeys. And I said great,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what do you what do you need to know?

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<v Speaker 1>And she was like, Oh, we do enough talking about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's actually let's let's talk about let's talk about other stuff.

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<v Speaker 9>And I was like, so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I would I would love that. Let's just have a

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<v Speaker 1>normal conversation that doesn't involve, you know, cancer.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, don't you feel like that? Some days you really

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<v Speaker 3>want to talk about it and learn about it. In

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<v Speaker 3>other days you look like I don't want to hear

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<v Speaker 3>another word about But.

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<v Speaker 1>There's more to my situation than this thing that happened

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Well, finally, this year marks thirty years since

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<v Speaker 1>the finale of Charles in Charge. Did you realize that? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well we ask this of a lot of our guests.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you could go back in time and tell

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<v Speaker 1>young Nicole on that set anything from your future self, now,

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<v Speaker 1>what would you tell her?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'd probably tell her to boss up a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more. I tell her to make a few more demands,

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, you you could have it. I would

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<v Speaker 3>have her speak up, you know, and feel comfortable, find

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<v Speaker 3>find somebody. Like you were saying, who would be that person?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that I was even you know, able

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<v Speaker 3>to pinpoint like who that person would be. I think

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<v Speaker 3>I would help guide her. There is to like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to that, like, you know, speak up for yourself, stand

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<v Speaker 3>up for yourself. And yeah, I mean there's not much else. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's not, you know, because everything else was pretty great.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's what's so weird. So a lot of it

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<v Speaker 3>was pretty great. I had, I learned a lot, I

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<v Speaker 3>had a great time. But I guess I would help

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<v Speaker 3>guide her into finding a safety.

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<v Speaker 1>I would add too that, you know, when just to

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<v Speaker 1>tell her, like, you're a survivor, like not just we

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<v Speaker 1>hear the word survivor now and we think very much

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<v Speaker 1>directly connected to cancer, but just in general, it sucks

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to be a survivor. I wish you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to survive the things you've had to survive,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have. You are a survivor, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>continued to find new versions of yourself and become a

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<v Speaker 1>different person and grow and become better every year, and

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what's been thrown at you. You've survived it

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<v Speaker 1>and been a flower in the.

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<v Speaker 2>So I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. I really appreciate.

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<v Speaker 8>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a lotus flower on my back because they're

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<v Speaker 3>a beautiful flowers that grows from mud.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny that you say that, because I have I've survived.

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<v Speaker 3>I've survived, and I feel like all the survival things

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<v Speaker 3>I've been through got me to cancer and now I

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<v Speaker 3>want to be a Thriver right, Like I'm done. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>putting like that survivor era behind me and I want

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<v Speaker 3>a Thriver era.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for being here with us, Nicole.

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<v Speaker 1>We would love to have you back on when we

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<v Speaker 1>get to your episode in season seven, when we get

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<v Speaker 1>to pick at Fences, we'd love to have you come

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<v Speaker 1>back on. Maybe you can do a recap with us

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<v Speaker 1>where we'll watch the you know, each one of us

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<v Speaker 1>will watch the episode and then we can talk about what,

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<v Speaker 1>if anything we remember specifically about the weeks. But we'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to have you back.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love that. Thank you for having me. It

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<v Speaker 3>was love lovely seeing all you too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just great, great to see you, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>spending your time with us today, and we'll see you

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<v Speaker 1>again soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye. Thanks bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. Who she really has She was really at the

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<v Speaker 1>forefront of a lot of, you know, nineties horror stories.

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<v Speaker 1>There are there are obviously tons of stories, both positive

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<v Speaker 1>and negative from that decade, and she really was at

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<v Speaker 1>the forefront of like some of the worst of them.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and yet is not like I wish I could

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<v Speaker 5>go back and never do it again. She's like, I

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<v Speaker 5>that was my experience, and yeah, there weren't. There weren't

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<v Speaker 5>many other options at place, like it just kind of

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<v Speaker 5>being an actress in the mid nineties. Yeah, it meant

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<v Speaker 5>you kind of had to put up with something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's not just an actress. I mean I talked

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<v Speaker 2>to Polinsky about, you know, because I've known Alex for

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<v Speaker 2>many years, and I talked to him about his time

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<v Speaker 2>on Charles in Charge. It just wasn't a good apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>just really toxic place all the way around.

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<v Speaker 1>And imagine, I mean, like at the end, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it just sucks because a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff was really great. It's like, you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't she went she lived through some horrible stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't even taint the overall experience of her life

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<v Speaker 1>during that time. It was just like, man, it's too

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<v Speaker 1>bad I had to do that, because the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>it was all pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And she said that too her She's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't live in the past. Like I can't. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>live in the past. Gotta that's made me who I

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<v Speaker 2>am today, and I got to look forward.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love it. I love the idea that she's

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<v Speaker 1>like that survivor era is behind me and now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in Thriver Era.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Era.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it out so much. Well, thank you all

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't hear anything.

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<v Speaker 1>You running to the bay watch music. We can't hear

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<v Speaker 1>the music.

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<v Speaker 2>It's no, it's too loud.

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<v Speaker 3>I think in the life it.

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<v Speaker 1>Must be too loud. Can you turn down the volume

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's so good? Can you sing it? Because everything's

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<v Speaker 2>slow motion? Nothing? Oh my god, it's just it's a

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