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Speaker 1: Will, I worked with Nicole Sullivan this.

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Speaker 1: And you and I were together at a convention in Austin.

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Speaker 1: And then she goes, how do you know Will?

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Speaker 4: Well, Will and I were on Boy Meets World together,

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Speaker 1: She said, to be fair, I've never seen Boy Meets World.

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Speaker 1: She said, I'm a little I'm a little too old

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Speaker 2: So she's awesome. She's super funny and like you go

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Speaker 1: They said she that's what Nicole said. Nicole said she

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Speaker 2: Never with us. She was always there. We'd occasionally phone

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Speaker 1: Why don't we do Kim Possible? Rewatch episode? Why don't

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Speaker 2: I don't get. What's happening is I'm in my childhood

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Speaker 2: It can't just be Marilyn Monroe and fake grenade.

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Speaker 1: You can't just have to fake grenade.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, what's it? Hey grenade?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to vond Meats World.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfordell.

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Speaker 7: Hey Wildcats, it's Bart Johnson. You may know me as

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Speaker 7: Coach Bolton from the High School Musical franchise. Can you

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Speaker 7: believe it's been almost twenty years since we first hit

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Speaker 7: the course at Oldiest High? Well celebrate. I'm sitting down

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Speaker 7: with some of your favorite cast members. Producers, dancers, choreographers,

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Speaker 7: look at high school musical So Wildcats join me on

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Speaker 7: my new podcast, get your head in the game, and

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Speaker 7: let's go back to where it all began.

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Speaker 8: Listen to Magical Rewind on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast,

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Speaker 1: Before Michael Jacob's co created Boy Meets World, putting three

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Speaker 1: We are thrilled to welcome to Pod meets World. Love

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Speaker 1: Nicole Eggert. You everything, you look great, you sound great.

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Speaker 1: Now, do you remember feeling a lot of pressure about

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Speaker 3: his father Mario really wanted a timely schedule and really

439
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 3: wanted to be out of there by a certain time day.

440
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 3: So it was very like, you know, don't put this up, Yeah,

441
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 3: to say your lines, to do what's written and what

442
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 3: we decided on and get it.

443
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: Where did they have to be? Yeah, where were they going?

444
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: I mean they wanted to time them off. I think

445
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 3: they just wanted out of their is all. I really kind.

446
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: Of honestly love this. I think this is great. Next

447
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: the next job I have, I'm going to be like, listen,

448
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: I can only work until two. We're going to have

449
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: to have this wrapped up by two pm. I've got

450
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 1: places to be. Yeah, I kid you not.

451
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 3: I could you know. They would say if we got

452
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 3: into the series, he would say, I want to be

453
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 3: done by lunchtime today, Let's have this like done by lunch.

454
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: I was like, oh god, well we in all fairness

455
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: we had that too, as long as lunch was one

456
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 2: am exactly. So yeah, we were we were final. I

457
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: think one of the other reasons that I was given

458
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: a little more leeway when you were there, especially is

459
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 2: because we it was seventh season. I think by that

460
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: point we knew that, like we we hadn't even been

461
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: if memory serves, you were in kind of the first

462
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 2: half of the season, and we weren't even picked up

463
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: for by that point the full twenty two. For season seven,

464
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 2: we got picked up I think for thirteen, and so

465
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 2: we thought we were done, and I think by that

466
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: point they were kind of like, yeah, go have fun.

467
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

468
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: So I think it might have been that kind of

469
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: vibe too a little bit. It was a little bit

470
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: of senioritis for us on the set, where it was

471
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: kind of like, let's play all right. This part of

472
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 2: the script is more of a guideline than anything else,

473
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: because at that point, if they were going to fire us,

474
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: they were going to fire us. So I think it

475
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: was more that vibe you walked into too. But I

476
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: didn't know that you were supposed to be an ARC.

477
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 2: That would have been great because I remember there was

478
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: good chemistry between the three of us. I thought I

479
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 2: didn't remember you struggling with the role at all. I

480
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: remember that you and myself and Matt Lawrence. I thought

481
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: the three of us were working really well together. So

482
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: to hear that you were supposed to be on more

483
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: than one episode is amazing.

484
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they wanted it to be a character

485
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: in the show, and yeah, that didn't happen, And yeah,

486
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: I had a great time with you guys, Like yeah,

487
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: in fact, you guys were my saving grace. I was

488
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 3: struggling at home, Like personally, I was just starting a

489
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 3: really ugly, like custody battle with my daughter. I had

490
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: a one year old at that time, and you know,

491
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: things were just crazy in my personal world. And then

492
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: I had Michael just like you're not giving it to me,

493
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 3: You're not giving it to me, and I was, and

494
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 3: you guys were just so amazing on set that it

495
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I probably would have lost it. I

496
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 3: think I would have combusted if it wasn't for you

497
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: guys having being so relaxed and so fun and so

498
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 3: friendly and so welcoming and just all those good things.

499
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: Well let's well, we're also just a huge fans. I

500
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: mean we because it's like, you know, as as actors

501
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 2: around the same age, we'd obviously seen your work, so

502
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: we were like, oh, we get to work with Nicole.

503
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 2: So we were psyched that you were coming on the show.

504
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: So there was that kind of vibe too, where it

505
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is going to be great. We

506
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 2: can't wait. So, yeah, you hid that very well. That

507
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: that I guess you weren't vibing with the character and

508
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: Michael wasn't because I don't remember that.

509
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: We haven't gotten to the episode yet in our rewatch,

510
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: it's a season seven episode called picket Fences. Can you

511
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: refresh our listener's memory and ours? Because I don't remember

512
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: the episode because we're not there yet. What was your

513
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: character on Boy Meets World and and what was the storyline?

514
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: So she was the chancellor's daughter, Bridget Murphy, and she

515
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: shows up in the student's cafe and it's like, who

516
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: who are you, guys? I'm your new boss, and she

517
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: sort of lays it out. She's like nepotism. My father

518
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 3: is the chancellor, I'm your new boss. You're gonna kiss

519
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: my blah blah blah blah kind of thing and kind

520
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: of starts there, it ends there.

521
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought maybe I didn't remember it because I

522
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: had a heart out at too. I wanted to be

523
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: done by lunch and I just had to get out.

524
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: Danielle was was a little miss Universe that week.

525
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: The Division, the Division exactly, so she was doing that.

526
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: Man, that's so funn.

527
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what makes me laugh too, because you

528
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: guys say the beginning and it was like it was

529
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: episode ten and these days like that's so that's just

530
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 3: such a throwback to those days, like episode ten was

531
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: like the first half.

532
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, right exactly. Now it's like you get four episodes,

533
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: so for the entire season, Like wait a minute, what

534
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: what's going on?

535
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

536
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 2: So, uh, twenty two a year, twenty six a year

537
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: was crazy, that's so interesting.

538
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, you're right that full that's a full setup

539
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: for more than one episode. You don't do a full

540
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: setup like that only to be in one episode. Yeah, yeah, it.

541
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: Was Yeah, I just I wasn't. I wasn't doing it

542
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 3: for him, and he was like, you're out of here,

543
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: and I feel like, also if i'm if I'm not mistaken.

544
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: There were some other people because there was another storyline

545
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: going on, and I can't remember exactly, but maybe it

546
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: was like an apartment somebody looking for an apartment, and

547
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: maybe there were other characters being introduced into that Subka story.

548
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: That's going to be oriented Hanga looking for an apartment. Right, look, that's.

549
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: What it is, Okay, that's that's picket fences. That's why

550
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: it's called picket fences is because you're looking for your

551
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: white picket fence. This might be the one where you

552
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: move into the really horrible, like terrible apartment and you

553
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: meet the other single mom who's there. Yeah, could have

554
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: been it. Yes, that's okay, So that's what it was. Okay.

555
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, bells are ringing. And in Michael's defense, I think

556
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: he was trying to introduce a lot of new characters

557
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: in that episode. There was a lot he was trying

558
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: to get.

559
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: That's what you do with three episodes left of your

560
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: entire series, just jamming as many characters as you pop.

561
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: It's episode ten of the last thirteen. Were doing, let's

562
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: introduce thirty five new characters.

563
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

564
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 5: Well it's funny because Will earlier you said, you know,

565
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 5: we were probably feeling comfortable or like we didn't care.

566
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 5: But I bet you Michael was feeling a lot of

567
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 5: pressure because I remember he was still angling for a

568
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 5: season eight.

569
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we were all kind of like ready

570
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: to leave and we were like.

571
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 5: As actors done, but I feel like he was actually

572
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 5: still gunning, like we can keep this going, right, let's

573
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 5: not an end. Let's not let it end here, you know,

574
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 5: and huh.

575
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: Well, does anybody know after Boy ended how long TGIF lasted?

576
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't either, but.

577
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't on for another ten years. It

578
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: was like TGIF kind of folded not too long after that, right,

579
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I don't know. Somebody's clacking

580
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: away and looking.

581
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: At up right now.

582
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure. Well, Boy Mee's World is known

583
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: for having quite a long and illustrious guest star history,

584
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: but while researching Charles in Charge, I was really surprised

585
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: to run into two names that you guys had as

586
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: guest stars, Paul Walker and Meg Ryan. Meg Ryan did

587
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: two episodes. Do you remember them being on the show

588
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: or not? Now?

589
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I remember Paul very clearly because we were all

590
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: the same age. And you know, when you're on a

591
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: show like that and you have a guest star, you

592
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 3: guys are all crammed into the tutor room for hours

593
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: and hours on end. I believe I want to say

594
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: Meg Ryan was on the like maybe the original the network.

595
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: Version, so you didn't work with him? Yeah? Yeah? What

596
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: was Paul Walker? Like? What do you remember? Sweet kid?

597
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: You know, just a sweet, normal, very like I think

598
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: he was from OC as well. Yeah, I think he was, yeah, right,

599
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: and just so felt just like such a normal, down

600
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: to earth and obviously before he was the Paul Walker

601
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: just cute, cute as could be, so cute. Yeah, I know.

602
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: And I was sitting there and I think he was

603
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: brought on as my younger sister's love interest, and I

604
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: was like, she always gets cute, why did she get him?

605
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: By the way, the original run of ABC's a TGIF

606
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: programming ended September eighth, two thousand. Wow.

607
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so Boy Meets World one in March or something

608
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: of two thousand and pretty much was over.

609
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: It was like right at the end. Yeah, and the run,

610
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: I guess began September twenty second, nineteen eighty nine.

611
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, the series finale of Boy Meets

612
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: World aired on my birthday, so May fifth of two thousand,

613
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: so just a few months later.

614
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, so it didn't last much longer

615
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: after us, so they would have had to move us

616
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: off the block to put us somewhere else to get

617
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: a season eight.

618
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, he was in a pressure cooker.

619
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: I mean he really was, right.

620
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you mentioned that Alberton then moved you from

621
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: Charles in Charge basically right into Baywatch, right, Yeah, did

622
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: you have any reservations about joining that show? What were

623
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: your what were your thoughts going into that?

624
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: You know, it was interesting because I was looking forward

625
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: to doing the spinoff of it. I didn't go into

626
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: it thinking what if I end up being a lifeguard

627
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: on Baywatch? Right, so you know, the naive Nicole didn't

628
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: think about that part. And I was leaving to go

629
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: to Canada to shoot a handful of films and then

630
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: I was going to come back and start Baywatch. I

631
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: knew that my wardrobe was coming, my hair makeup was coming,

632
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: so also very comfortable. He also put Pamela Anderson, who

633
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: I had known she was on Charles in Charge and

634
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: around the set a lot because she dated Scott so

635
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 3: and I knew David Charvay already, So it felt very

636
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: comfortable going into this into that, and I kind of

637
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: didn't put a lot of thought into it. I was like,

638
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: kind of, I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

639
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: And then when I showed up on set, I kind

640
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: of dawned on me. When you know, fittings were just

641
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: this red bathing suit, and I was like, where are

642
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: the rest?

643
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 5: Oh?

644
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: Jeez, oh man, where's the rest?

645
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: And then the show immediately took off and it hit

646
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: and it hit number one show in the world, and

647
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: then they were like spin off what they were like,

648
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: this formula, this is what's working, this is where we're staying.

649
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: And I was like, whoa damn.

650
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: Curiously, you just kind of touched on it with starting

651
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: to work out. Aside from having to quote unquote look

652
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: good or look the part, how physical was it to

653
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: be shooting a show like this all the time?

654
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: Well, it was a little bit. You know, it is

655
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: running in the sand, It's like, and we're not running

656
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: in slow mocean, you know, contrary to everybody's belief, you know,

657
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: and they do they do dump you out off a

658
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: barge in the ocean, and you do have to keep

659
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: up and at least try to make like you you

660
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: know what you're doing. I mean I jumped off piers.

661
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: I would climb up, you know, up the ropes to

662
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: get back up the pier, like we were really in

663
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: the trenches. And I remember the first day on set

664
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: they had me and I was a rookie trying out

665
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: to be a lifeguard, and they had me and they

666
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: would use real, actual lifeguards as atmosphere all the time,

667
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: and we were in a race for tryouts and I

668
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: was thrown in with them and they were like.

669
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: Keep up, keep up, and I'm like vomiting.

670
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: I was like throwing up, like trying to run into

671
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: the waves with these people, and I was like, there's

672
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: just been a terrible mistake. I don't know if you

673
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: think I'm an act, I don't know.

674
00:33:53,400 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I lay on the beach. I dumped under

675
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: a few waves.

676
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 5: But even just the work, like the going from a

677
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 5: multi cam, which is like you're in a sound stage,

678
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 5: you rehearse all week and then they bring in an

679
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 5: audience to a single cam alone, must have been a huge.

680
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: On a beach with the ocean, and I mean this

681
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: is a massive thing. Yeah.

682
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean I've done lots of single camera shows and

683
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: movies and stuff in the past, So that wasn't that

684
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 3: wasn't so daunting. But the weather, like you think the beach.

685
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: I grew up at the beach. I love the beach,

686
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: but we're shooting winter months, like oh, you're freezing, and like,

687
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: good luck trying to find a dry towel on that set,

688
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: Like you're freezing. They're like get out. We can see

689
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: the rain drops on the water. You know, it's not

690
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 3: just like all it's cracked up to be right, And

691
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: the overcast days for lighting were the better days.

692
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 6: So it was just.

693
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 3: It's tougher.

694
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 8: It was.

695
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 3: It was harder than expected.

696
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: Did they not give you any proper training before you

697
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: started shooting, Like, hey, we're gonna try to give you

698
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: some lifeguard lessons? Nothing kind of on the fly.

699
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 3: It was like on the go, it was it really.

700
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: I think they got better at it as time progressed,

701
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: but they were still feeling out like what is this show?

702
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 3: Because it went from this network show that was much

703
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: more It wasn't so fluffy, It wasn't you know, so

704
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 3: video MTV video asque. It was much more like lifeguards

705
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: as in police it was. It was just so much

706
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: more structure, conservative show, and they were sort of feeling out.

707
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: I was very much a guinea pig of feeling out,

708
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: like how serious are we taking this as them being lifeguards?

709
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: But they did want it to be, you know, correct,

710
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: so they would help us like as we were going along,

711
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: and I think as they went down the line, they

712
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: started training people and working with newcasts coming on a

713
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: lot better but no, I didn't have any prior training.

714
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: It was really on the on the go.

715
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: We had Kelly Packard on the podcast recently and she

716
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: talked a lot about the pressure of the stars of

717
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: Baywatch for keeping their weight, and it sounded pretty rough.

718
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: I know it was already difficult for just being a

719
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: woman in the nineties was difficult, but I can only

720
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: imagine when you're wearing a bathing suit week after week.

721
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: This must have been very hard. Was that your experience?

722
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean is it's a lot of pressure. And

723
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: I think especially when Kelly came on after the show

724
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: was such a success and you saw the bodies and

725
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: you knew what you were walking into, I feel like

726
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: that would be so much more pressure us going into it.

727
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: There really wasn't a guideline and it was like here

728
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: we are, and you know, we're just doing this.

729
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: Luckily, I was so.

730
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: Young that and I was considered curvy. Yeah right, and

731
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: I look back and I'm like, where, what right?

732
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: What's going on?

733
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: I mean so much so that they gave my character

734
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: an eating disorder and and yeah, we had a five

735
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: pound clause that they could weigh us. Didn't want us

736
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: going above or below five pounds of our weight. But

737
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: I do, in hindsight think that that was also a

738
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: protection to make sure that there weren't that nobody was

739
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: getting too thin. I didn't have that problem. I was

740
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: more like, stay under, stay under, and so I you know,

741
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: I did start to do some working out on the

742
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: beach and you know, go for extra run since we

743
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: were there and the sand and do things like that.

744
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: But when you're that young, it's not that hard.

745
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: It's much easier.

746
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: You know, I had it. Yeah, it's much much easier.

747
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: But Yeah, as the years went on, I think the

748
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 3: pressure for the women had to be intensified.

749
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of this comes up in the recent

750
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: documentary After Baywatch, which you appear in as well as produced,

751
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: and similar to our journey here on the podcast, you

752
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: had to deep dive into your youth on the screen.

753
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: What did you learn from that experience?

754
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: God, it was interesting. I just was learning so much

755
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: more about the show as it went along, and you know,

756
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 3: being and the producer on it, I didn't want to

757
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 3: focus so much on myself because I was such a

758
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: small you know, it was in the beginning and it

759
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: was weird and my story. We worked on it for

760
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: five years, and so much changed, like the pandemic happened,

761
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 3: then I got a diagnosis and all of these things,

762
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 3: and so my storyline kept changing. So I really kind

763
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: of put that into like the back. I was like,

764
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: we're going to deal with that me later, But it

765
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: was really diving into everybody else and just learning and

766
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 3: really more interesting learning how that show affected their life,

767
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: like their personal life. And Jason Simmons, for example, who

768
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: was gay and he had to hide it, and he

769
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: would have paparazzi, you know, following him and trying to

770
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: catch him making out with other guys or being with

771
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: other men, and so the women on the show would

772
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 3: rally around him and pretend like they were in relationships

773
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: with him to you know, to hide this for him.

774
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: And just hearing and learning all of these things is fascinating,

775
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 3: just in heartbreaking and heartwarming and all of the fields.

776
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: I bet. I want to talk to you also about

777
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: a movie that I'm sure comes up with fans a

778
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: lot more than you ever expected. Blown Away. It is

779
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: a nineteen ninety three erotic thriller with the Corris Hayman

780
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: Feldman and you play a rich girl who thinks her

781
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: father killed her mom. It is a cult favorite, a

782
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: lot of signature nineties sex scenes. What memories do you have?

783
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: Wait, there's an era I'm sorry, there's an erotic thriller

784
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 2: with the Corris This is a thing.

785
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, yes, it is a cult classic.

786
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: What well, I mean obviously watching that, but what a

787
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 2: strange sentence to hear the nineties erotic thing with the Cory's.

788
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: I never would have suspected.

789
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: What are your memories of making that movie?

790
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, so when you asked me, like going into Baywatch,

791
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: you know from Charles and Charge. So we had blown

792
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: Away in there, and that was much more on the

793
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: top of my mind than Baywatch because that was in

794
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: the near future. So I was doing that and a

795
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 3: cheerleading movie with Corey Haim, all these things in Canada

796
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: that were so like opposite each other. But that was

797
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: scary going into that. If I'm going to be completely

798
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: candid and honest and open now and I feel like

799
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 3: we finally the truth is out there, I can finally

800
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: like speak about this and it's okay. But going into

801
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: that movie with those two at that time and where

802
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: they were in maybe their addiction and their careers and

803
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: everything was frightening and yeah, and it was that was

804
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: a wild, wild experience. It was, you know, and a

805
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: lot of that, A lot of the sex scenes started

806
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 3: becoming very improvy, and it was like, wait, what's going on?

807
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: And being kind of feeling alone is like a young

808
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 3: woman on set with all these men and these things happening.

809
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 9: It was.

810
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 3: It was a really growing learning moment for me of

811
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: when to go wait, yeah, you know, slow down, stop.

812
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's no intimacy coordinator or anything along the

813
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: lines at this point. This is it was like the

814
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: wild West and back back in the day with stuff

815
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: like that, Oh my god.

816
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: And you know, you'd have maybe some of the actor

817
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: disappear in their trailer for hours and then come out

818
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: and clearly intoxicated, and you're like, what am I gonna

819
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: do with this? You know, right before a sex scene?

820
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: Just it was it was a lot. It just it

821
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 3: was a lot.

822
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: And I still looked at it as like, wow, that.

823
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 8: Was a lot.

824
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: And at this point you're I'm assuming you're over eighteen,

825
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: and so was your Did you have any sort of

826
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: guardian or anyone on set that you could go to

827
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: outside of most likely an entirely male producer staff, you know.

828
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: Not really because it was shot in Canada. The Canadians

829
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: are really great about having someone on set checking and

830
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 3: you know, and so there was sort of that, but

831
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: it still isn't a time where we women, we weren't

832
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: really speaking up a whole bunch. And I just come

833
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: off a show where I was being sexually abused, you know,

834
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, and now it's sort of like there's

835
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: sort of this running theme of like abuse and sexual

836
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: abuse in my life and the movie is really supposed

837
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: to sort of border on that, you know, but she's

838
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 3: sort of the sexual abuser maybe in the movie. If

839
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 3: there's abuse happening, it's just it's a very very murky,

840
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: very murky time and era, and it was a weird

841
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: time to speak up about anything. And yeah, it just

842
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: was weird. No, I felt very kind of alone. I

843
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: was kind of alone on a ship out there by myself.

844
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: You mentioned the sexual abuse on the Charles in Charge set.

845
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: If you felt comfortable going to somebody, who would have

846
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: been the person you were you should have gone to?

847
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: Would it have been your mom? Was your mom on

848
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: set with you? Did you have a studio teacher? How

849
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 1: were you left so unprotected?

850
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: So Charles Charge is an interesting dynamic for me because

851
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 3: because the sexual abuse was going on and it was

852
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: very apparent, and if it wasn't apparent that the abuse

853
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: was happening, it definitely was obvious that I was getting

854
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: extra attention. So I wasn't always everybody's favorite person. Like,

855
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: to be completely honest, I wasn't. I wasn't the favorite

856
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: person because I was favored by the star of the show,

857
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 3: and so I didn't really feel like I had a

858
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 3: lot of allies there.

859
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: And so this is this is happening, and you feel

860
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 2: like you're on an island because it's like you're also

861
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 2: being singled out because.

862
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: People are mad you being sexually abused.

863
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: Uh. And still I still feel that from some of

864
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: the cast, and yes, that's exactly true. It's like, oh,

865
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 3: well you you got more, you know. And it was

866
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: sort of this cast of like they would count their

867
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: lines dialogue and who had the bigger part, and I

868
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: was like, I don't understand anybody that does that to

869
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 3: begin with, and god forbid I had more dialogues or like,

870
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 3: it just was this. It was kind of a it

871
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: was toxic all around and the other two children Alex

872
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: Plancy has spoken out about it and myself as an

873
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: adult looking back now, everybody was suffering a form of

874
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: abuse and so it made for a very uh, very

875
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: strange dynamic and a lot of hostility and feelings, and

876
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 3: so I don't think that there was really anybody that

877
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: you could go to. And this was way before me too,

878
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 3: And I'm being told if you say anything, everybody loses

879
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 3: their job. You know, people go to jail. Like you

880
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: can't this is it absolute no. So it was this

881
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: thing of like, now this is something I have to

882
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: deal with and just keep it moving and we got

883
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: to be out of.

884
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: Here by too.

885
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's also such a I mean, I

886
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: want to say, impossible scenario to be in as a

887
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: teenager and then as you you know, you you stop

888
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: doing Charles in Charge, you're still a teenager. Then you

889
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: go into doing Blown Away and you have your again

890
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: dealing with stars who now have addiction issues, and you

891
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: as a as a young person, it would be you

892
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: would be a real anomaly to actually know how to

893
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: address and to see clearly all of the wrongdoings and

894
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: to be able to say like hey, I would like

895
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: to speak up and say stop or I'm not comfortable

896
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: with this. It's like we all grew up knowing that

897
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: the people who worked were the people who were easy

898
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: to get along with, the people who you go with

899
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: the flow, take direction. Well, regardless of how strong or

900
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: a sense of self you have deep down, we were

901
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: all groomed to be people pleasers on sets.

902
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: You bet, and not to speak bad about other cast Right,

903
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 3: remember those days where you were told, no, matter what's

904
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: going on, you guys are as the kids, you guys

905
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 3: are fighting. No, you are a family.

906
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: Now you're a family. You're a family.

907
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,959
Speaker 1: Yes, you're a family. I mean, we have talked about

908
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: this a lot on the podcast. How many people we

909
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: did not realize benefited from the culture of secrecy and like,

910
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: well we don't talk about that. Think about how many

911
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: times you heard, well you don't talk to anybody about

912
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: how much money you're making. You don't talk to anybody

913
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: about it. It's like, oh, wait, actually that only helps you.

914
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: It doesn't hurt us for us to talk to each

915
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: other about the things that are going on. If anything,

916
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: it unifies us and helps make us stronger. But in general,

917
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: there was just a you know, yeah, very secretive, very pride.

918
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: It's just the nineties were a real not so great time.

919
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: It's the matter. Yeah, very systematic. Speaking of that, going

920
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: into bay Watch, it was supposed to be a Favored

921
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: Nations and I had to sign the non disclosure that

922
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 3: because I was making more. But if I was ever asked,

923
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: I had to say it was Favored Nations, like shit

924
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: like that it was.

925
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 8: You know.

926
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: And then in going through everything I went through and

927
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: then getting on Baywatch and it was not received well

928
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: in the press, although the ratings were there and we

929
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: were being called bimbos and everybody said, like, how did

930
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 3: you walk away from the number one show in the world.

931
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: So me giving you a little background of like what

932
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 3: led up to this was my moment of saying, no,

933
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 3: I want off of this show. Now I'm being called

934
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 3: a bimbo on top of it all right, I'm already

935
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 3: feeling all the feels and crazy in the turmoil, and

936
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 3: now I'm publicly being called a bimbo. I was like,

937
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: I just need out, And that was my moment to

938
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: just step away. And I wasn't going to say anything

939
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: publicly and there was no platform for it and nobody

940
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: was going to listen anyways. But I was able to

941
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 3: take remove myself and just take time away and just

942
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: go live and rebel and try to figure you know,

943
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: all of this out.

944
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: So you come off of Charles in Charge, which was

945
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: that experience, you go to Blown Away, which was that experience,

946
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: and then you come to Baywatch where now you're being

947
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: called a bimbo. Was there ever a point where you

948
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 2: were like, what the hell am I doing in this industry?

949
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: Why am I even here?

950
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: That was the moment that was it, because up until

951
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: then I had done good work, like I worked with

952
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: George Cooker or Michael Chapman. I had done something else

953
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: with Meg Ryan, and my resume was good and solid,

954
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: and I'm on, you know, a.

955
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: Trajectory, and I was happy.

956
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: And then Baywatched, after all the things I was going

957
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 3: through personally to now be publicly being called bimbo, and

958
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: I went into it. I cut all my hair off.

959
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: I cut it short to sort of go against any

960
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: kind of sceneo type like that. I was like, what

961
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: would a young girl wanting to be a lifeguard, what

962
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 3: would she look like? Well, she wouldn't have really really

963
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 3: long blonde hair, she would have you know, manageable hair,

964
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: she wouldn't wear makeup, just all of these things. And

965
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: I tried. I went into it and producers were a

966
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: little pissed off that I showed up with, you know,

967
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: a bob. But I felt like I was making character

968
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 3: choices and and it just none of it. I couldn't

969
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: make anybody happy at that point, do you know what

970
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: I mean? Like, the producers were pissed I didn't have

971
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: the long hair, still being called a bimbo in the press,

972
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: and I just I was like, yeah, enough, like I

973
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: need a break.

974
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: Well, something else you and I have in common. The

975
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: club no one wants to join, but once you're in it,

976
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: the people that are in the club or some of

977
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: the best. You and I both have dealt with breast cancer,

978
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: and you have been such a helpful and wonderful advocate.

979
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: You've been very vocal about your journey and sharing all

980
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: of the updates about the choices that you've made with

981
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: your health care. How are you feeling now and where

982
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: are you in your treatment journey?

983
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: So many loaded questions from there. Well, as you know,

984
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 3: it's not something that you get a diagnosis, You do

985
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 3: treatment and then life goes on. That's what you're in

986
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: it forever. This is a forever thing, which you know,

987
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: when I got my diagnosis. Everybody kept saying, oh, in

988
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: a year from now, this will be behind you and

989
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: you'll be on your life. Okay, that's the biggest croct ever.

990
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm on a lot of treatments, some targeted treatments.

991
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 3: I'm being tested monthly. My treatments are behind me. I

992
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 3: still have surgeries ahead of me next month, which I'm

993
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,479
Speaker 3: excited about. I really took my time with that route

994
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 3: because I just didn't know what was the right choices

995
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: for me, and I kept meeting with doctors and getting

996
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: so many There's just so many different opinions and options,

997
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: and I really I'm somebody that needs to like sleep

998
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: on it. So I took a year to really like

999
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: listen to everybody, digest it all, and like it's a

1000
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: big decision because you can rush into these things.

1001
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can just.

1002
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 3: Follow the protocol and then you're it's this whirlwind of

1003
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: stuff and then you're like, wait, what did I just do?

1004
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: What just happened?

1005
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: You know, if you mind me asking did you have

1006
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: a lump back to me to remove? And you did

1007
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: chemo and you did radiation right, because like I know,

1008
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: for me, I asked if I could delay a surgery

1009
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: by like two months because I had episodes of TV.

1010
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to be I had plans to direct, and

1011
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: I was like, well, can I just wait until October?

1012
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean it was only like two or three months.

1013
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: And they were like, we do not recommend that you

1014
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: wait two or three months to make a decision about

1015
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: this because it's cancer. We don't know what cancer can

1016
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: do in two or three months. So when you were

1017
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: able to take a year, is that did you already

1018
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: have some surgeries?

1019
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 3: Well, so I wasn't able to have a lumpeck. To me,

1020
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 3: I wasn't even able to have a mess ectomy because

1021
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: the cancer was too big. It was there was too much,

1022
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 3: so I needed to do the chemo to shrink it down.

1023
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 3: Then they removed it all, and then the radiation, and

1024
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 3: so that was dealing with the problematic side. And then

1025
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 3: I said, okay, you know, let me do all this,

1026
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 3: let me get through it. And then I really spent

1027
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: a lot of time trying to detox and it's still

1028
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 3: trying to detox my body from all that terrible stuff

1029
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 3: that we put into its treatment and trying to deal

1030
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 3: with the menopause side of it that also gets thrown

1031
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 3: at you, and there's just so much out there, and

1032
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 3: there's just so much information to be had that isn't

1033
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: given to you by regular general practice practicing doctors. Right

1034
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: that my on colleges has no idea of anything to

1035
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 3: help with anything except my key protocol. You know. It's

1036
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 3: so I I just have really been exploring everything, all

1037
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: the supplements, doing all the things, trying to make my

1038
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: bring myself back to life because my body I really

1039
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 3: went through it, really and I know you did too.

1040
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 3: It's just it's chemo is Oh, it's a beast, and

1041
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 3: you know they threw the strongest ones at me. And

1042
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 3: once you do it, you can't do it again. So

1043
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: it's like I need for this not only to be

1044
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 3: effective for now, I need like for this not to

1045
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 3: come back exactly. How do we How do I learn

1046
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: how I got here? Because they say not to think

1047
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 3: about that, but I'm sorry, I'm going to think about

1048
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: that because along in my preventative treatment here, I want

1049
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: to know what I was doing that got me here,

1050
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: if anything, And of course there are and what choices

1051
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 3: can I can I also make in my personal life

1052
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 3: and my daily life that will help not bring me

1053
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: back here? So I really just dove into that, and

1054
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 3: I'm just always at the doctor. I'm so sick of it.

1055
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 3: I go in every month and then I get a

1056
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: Zolodex treatment, and then I have to come back for

1057
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: the next week to get blood injections because my white

1058
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: blood cell count gets really low. So I have two

1059
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: good weeks out of every month. The other two or

1060
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: i'm there, I'm at the treatment facility, so it's really

1061
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 3: all consuming.

1062
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: And then, like you said, even in those two quote

1063
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: unquote good weeks, you're still dealing with menopause symptoms. Yes,

1064
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: so even when you're feeling good, you're still not really

1065
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: feeling that great.

1066
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 3: You got it. That's that's actually one hundred percent true.

1067
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: And yeah, so that's just and I spend all of

1068
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 3: that time feeling that I'm feeling good, trying to learn,

1069
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 3: you know, educating myself and testing all these things and

1070
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 3: talking to doctors, and so it's just this ongoing thing

1071
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 3: for me, and I just want to have all the information.

1072
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: God forbid, anybody else I know gets diagnosed, my children

1073
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 3: get diagnosed, if I ever get diagnosed again, and I

1074
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 3: just want It's something that I wasn't just gonna put

1075
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: behind me. It's something that I really it hit me

1076
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 3: hard and it's something that I needed to embrace and

1077
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 3: understand more and you know, realize like how did I

1078
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 3: get here? Because I felt like I know how I

1079
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 3: got here. I know, I know what it is, and

1080
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure that I don't go back.

1081
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1082
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: Wow, Well I was in touch with you. We have

1083
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: texted and been there for each other on surgery days

1084
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: and you know, symptom checking, and we both had not

1085
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: so great recoveries from our lymph node removals, and we

1086
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: we were like.

1087
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 8: What is this?

1088
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: What is going on?

1089
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 3: Another thing nobody tells me about, right, like nobody prepares

1090
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: you for it.

1091
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: We're like, okay, we're going to go in, we're going

1092
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 1: to remove the cancer. Well we're gonna have to test

1093
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: some lymph nodes. And you think, okay, no big deal.

1094
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: And then you're like, that recovery is terrible and that

1095
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: scar and that incision and now also it's hard to

1096
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 1: have your limph fluid drain because you're missing lymph nodes

1097
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: and so you were swelling. It's it's delightful, but it

1098
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: was nice to have you to talk to and to

1099
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: be there for each other and literally everyone in the

1100
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 1: breast cancer community is the same way. They hear someone

1101
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: else has been diagnosed and give her my phone number,

1102
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, have her reach out to me. Let's talk

1103
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: and we share doctor information and things that we've learned.

1104
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: So it's like I said, it's a group nobody ever

1105
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: wants to join, but once you're in it, you're gonna

1106
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: meet some of the best people ever.

1107
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, you really do. And how are you feeling.

1108
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: How is I'm doing? Well? I'm done. I finished my radiation.

1109
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: I've I've finished active treatment, but I still have my

1110
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm taking tamoxifen every day and so there

1111
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: those side effects come and go and have new ones

1112
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: pop up, and I have to find ways of managing those.

1113
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: And but I did have my first clear mammogram just

1114
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 1: this past June, so exactly, you know, one year later,

1115
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: now my mammogram is clear. So now it's just the

1116
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: trying not to have anxiety on the in between. You know,

1117
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: It's like I was I when I walked in to

1118
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: have my mammogram, I was like, here's the spot where

1119
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: last time I was here it was not so good news.

1120
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: And you know, thankfully now they give you your results

1121
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: after you've had breast cancer. They give you your results

1122
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: right then and there. You don't have to like go

1123
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: do they wait three days? Which is nice because I

1124
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: walked in and I was just like, if they don't

1125
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: tell me real soon, I'm gonna just be sweating for

1126
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: three days. But they told me right then and there.

1127
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: Well, as somebody who deals with anxiety all the time,

1128
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: the easiest way to get rid of it is just

1129
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: tell yourself you can't have yeah, like, oh, I just

1130
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop being anxious.

1131
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 3: It's just that.

1132
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: It's over.

1133
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they actually call it anxiety exactly.

1134
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: I could imagine.

1135
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 3: I have seats, tea scans and MRIs that's what I

1136
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 3: have to do those every three months, and we do

1137
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 3: blood markers once a month. But I have to wait

1138
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: for my results. I'm not getting them immediate.

1139
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: It's yeah, well those MRIs and cts probably yeah. Yeah,

1140
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: Well I wish they would. I wish they would give

1141
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: them to you.

1142
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 2: Just ye, that would help so much, it would.

1143
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 3: Well.

1144
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: You mentioned that you have two daughters, Dylan and Keegan.

1145
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: Uh have they how have they been for you during

1146
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: all of this time? And what is your really what

1147
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: is your overall relationship with like with your girls.

1148
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 3: Well, my oldest lives in New York, so you know,

1149
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 3: she didn't have to actually witness a lot of it

1150
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 3: like my young one did. But they're just they're supportive.

1151
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 3: They they bring me to a place of taking me

1152
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: outside myself too, because it's like you know, when your mom,

1153
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: you it gives you purpose and it keeps you from

1154
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: maybe feeling sorry for yourself or you know, it's like

1155
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 3: you have stuff to to and you have this role

1156
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 3: to play or be and you just life is so

1157
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: much bigger than yourself when you're a mom, right or

1158
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: a parent, And so they just really gave me a

1159
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: sense of like responsibility to get healthy and to remain

1160
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 3: healthy if nothing else. They have done that the most

1161
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 3: for me and just really sort of looking at me

1162
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 3: to see how how I'm going to handle it right,

1163
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: And so it's this moment of I have to show

1164
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 3: them that, you know, you how you handle it? How

1165
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 3: do you roll up your sleeves and handle this and

1166
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 3: not crumble? And it's given me a lot of motivation.

1167
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 3: It's really kind of been my my motivator and and

1168
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 3: really just giving me my purpose and and having a

1169
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: young one, I you know, I'm an unpaid uber driver.

1170
00:59:54,200 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 3: Let's be honest. She's going to be fourteen next week. Actually,

1171
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,479
Speaker 3: so she's you know, twelve, eleven and twelve, and it's yeah,

1172
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 3: I have to be a mom.

1173
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: There's lunches to be made, you know.

1174
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 3: Rides to be given and things to do, which it's

1175
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 3: such a good distraction.

1176
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: Mom.

1177
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: It sucks that you're going through this, but I have.

1178
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 3: To be at the Yeah, it's really it's like, kid,

1179
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 3: are you are you gonna be able to get us

1180
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 3: at three? Yes? Yeah. But she's been great because she

1181
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: she has to go through it emotionally too with me,

1182
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 3: And so there were there were moments of like in

1183
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 3: the beginning when there would be like I would get overwhelmed.

1184
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if this happened to you, but I

1185
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 3: would get overwhelmed or over stimulated. We did you do chemo?

1186
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: I did not have to do chemo. Yeah, game changer,

1187
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: I know, I know. It's it's literally the biggest blessing

1188
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: of my situation was I did not need chemo. I

1189
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: can't even imagine, No, I really can't.

1190
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 3: So there's these moments of like feeling overwhelmed in public,

1191
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 3: like sensory overload was one of my side effects, and

1192
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: so I would look at her and she would say like,

1193
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 3: are you okay? And we would have we had this

1194
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: moment early on where she said, I don't know what

1195
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 3: to say or what to do, and I said, it's okay,

1196
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: like neither do I, Right, I just need to sit,

1197
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 3: like let's just sit and hug and be quiet. And

1198
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 3: we sort of learned it together like that, and you know,

1199
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 3: there's no there is no strength. There is nothing stronger

1200
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 3: than you know, a good hug from your children, you know,

1201
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 3: or it's just you know, sitting there, quiet and just

1202
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 3: an understanding of okay, this is so weird. And all

1203
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 3: I can say is this is too much right now

1204
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 3: and we're just going to sit and we don't have

1205
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 3: any answers and we don't have to. And there was

1206
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 3: just it was powerful.

1207
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: What a yeah, yeah, what a blessing that you had

1208
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: her to be able to like you said, like, no,

1209
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: no medicine like a hug from your kids. You know

1210
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: it's true.

1211
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 3: That's yeah. Well, before we let you.

1212
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: Go, I want to talk to you about your podcast,

1213
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: Perfectly Twisted. I was recently a guest. Why don't you

1214
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: tell us about that? And and what has it been

1215
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: as meaningful for you as as our podcast has been

1216
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: for us?

1217
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 3: It has. I I wasn't so sure it was gonna be.

1218
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know what I'm going to

1219
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 3: talk about for an hour every day, and I don't

1220
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 3: know if I want to talk for or every week.

1221
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to talk that much.

1222
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 3: So I got into it, and I really wanted it

1223
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 3: to be a wide variety of topics and whatever I

1224
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 3: was feeling like talking about that week, which has been

1225
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 3: beneficial for me because it's hard for me to stay

1226
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 3: on track.

1227
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: It's hard for me.

1228
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm Danielle, Danielle, she keeps us on job. I don't

1229
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 2: have that.

1230
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 4: That is not me.

1231
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, I get a lot of joy and I

1232
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 3: get to talk. It's been sort of a social life.

1233
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 3: It's been a catch up, it's been a learning experience.

1234
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 3: It's it's been a lot of things for me, and

1235
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 3: I love it. I absolutely love it. And I love

1236
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 3: that I'm not tied to one subject. And I love

1237
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 3: that it's uncensored and we can talk about whatever and

1238
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 3: there's no there's no boundaries and it's such freedom. Wow.

1239
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 3: I love that.

1240
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: I remember when you reached out to me and said, hey,

1241
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: can you be a guest on my podcast? And I

1242
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: was like sure, And immediately I thought, Okay, she probably

1243
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: wants to talk about our cancer journeys. And I said great,

1244
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: you know what do you what do you need to know?

1245
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: And she was like, Oh, we do enough talking about that.

1246
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: Let's actually let's let's talk about let's talk about other stuff.

1247
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 9: And I was like, so cool.

1248
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: I would I would love that. Let's just have a

1249
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: normal conversation that doesn't involve, you know, cancer.

1250
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 3: Well, don't you feel like that? Some days you really

1251
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 3: want to talk about it and learn about it. In

1252
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: other days you look like I don't want to hear

1253
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 3: another word about But.

1254
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: There's more to my situation than this thing that happened

1255
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: to me. Well, finally, this year marks thirty years since

1256
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: the finale of Charles in Charge. Did you realize that? Yeah? Yeah,

1257
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: well we ask this of a lot of our guests.

1258
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: But if you could go back in time and tell

1259
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: young Nicole on that set anything from your future self, now,

1260
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: what would you tell her?

1261
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 3: Well, I'd probably tell her to boss up a little

1262
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 3: bit more. I tell her to make a few more demands,

1263
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 3: because you know, you you could have it. I would

1264
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 3: have her speak up, you know, and feel comfortable, find

1265
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 3: find somebody. Like you were saying, who would be that person?

1266
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 3: I don't know that I was even you know, able

1267
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 3: to pinpoint like who that person would be. I think

1268
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 3: I would help guide her. There is to like, you know,

1269
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 3: to that, like, you know, speak up for yourself, stand

1270
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 3: up for yourself. And yeah, I mean there's not much else. Yeah,

1271
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 3: there's not, you know, because everything else was pretty great.

1272
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah that's what's so weird. So a lot of it

1273
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 3: was pretty great. I had, I learned a lot, I

1274
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 3: had a great time. But I guess I would help

1275
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 3: guide her into finding a safety.

1276
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: I would add too that, you know, when just to

1277
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: tell her, like, you're a survivor, like not just we

1278
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: hear the word survivor now and we think very much

1279
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: directly connected to cancer, but just in general, it sucks

1280
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: that you have to be a survivor. I wish you

1281
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: didn't have to survive the things you've had to survive,

1282
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: but you have. You are a survivor, and you have

1283
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: continued to find new versions of yourself and become a

1284
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: different person and grow and become better every year, and

1285
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: no matter what's been thrown at you. You've survived it

1286
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: and been a flower in the.

1287
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: So I appreciate.

1288
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I really appreciate.

1289
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 8: You know.

1290
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 3: I have a lotus flower on my back because they're

1291
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 3: a beautiful flowers that grows from mud.

1292
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: Right.

1293
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 3: It's funny that you say that, because I have I've survived.

1294
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 3: I've survived, and I feel like all the survival things

1295
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 3: I've been through got me to cancer and now I

1296
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 3: want to be a Thriver right, Like I'm done. I'm

1297
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 3: putting like that survivor era behind me and I want

1298
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 3: a Thriver era.

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Speaker 1: Right, And that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here with us, Nicole.

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Speaker 1: We would love to have you back on when we

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Speaker 1: get to your episode in season seven, when we get

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Speaker 1: to pick at Fences, we'd love to have you come

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Speaker 1: back on. Maybe you can do a recap with us

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Speaker 1: where we'll watch the you know, each one of us

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Speaker 1: will watch the episode and then we can talk about what,

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Speaker 1: if anything we remember specifically about the weeks. But we'd

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Speaker 1: love to have you back.

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Speaker 3: I would love that. Thank you for having me. It

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Speaker 3: was love lovely seeing all you too.

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Speaker 1: It's just great, great to see you, thank you for

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Speaker 1: spending your time with us today, and we'll see you

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Speaker 1: again soon.

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Speaker 3: Bye. Thanks bye.

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Speaker 1: Man. Who she really has She was really at the

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Speaker 1: forefront of a lot of, you know, nineties horror stories.

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Speaker 1: There are there are obviously tons of stories, both positive

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Speaker 1: and negative from that decade, and she really was at

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Speaker 1: the forefront of like some of the worst of them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and yet is not like I wish I could

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Speaker 5: go back and never do it again. She's like, I

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Speaker 5: that was my experience, and yeah, there weren't. There weren't

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Speaker 5: many other options at place, like it just kind of

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Speaker 5: being an actress in the mid nineties. Yeah, it meant

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Speaker 5: you kind of had to put up with something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not just an actress. I mean I talked

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Speaker 2: to Polinsky about, you know, because I've known Alex for

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Speaker 2: many years, and I talked to him about his time

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Speaker 2: on Charles in Charge. It just wasn't a good apparently,

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Speaker 2: just really toxic place all the way around.

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Speaker 1: And imagine, I mean, like at the end, she said,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it just sucks because a lot of

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Speaker 1: other stuff was really great. It's like, you know, it

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Speaker 1: didn't she went she lived through some horrible stuff and

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Speaker 1: it didn't even taint the overall experience of her life

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Speaker 1: during that time. It was just like, man, it's too

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Speaker 1: bad I had to do that, because the rest of

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Speaker 1: it was all pretty awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And she said that too her She's like, I

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Speaker 2: don't live in the past. Like I can't. I can't

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Speaker 2: live in the past. Gotta that's made me who I

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Speaker 2: am today, and I got to look forward.

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Speaker 1: And I love it. I love the idea that she's

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Speaker 1: like that survivor era is behind me and now I'm

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Speaker 1: in Thriver Era.

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Speaker 2: I love Era.

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Speaker 1: I love it out so much. Well, thank you all

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Speaker 1: for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World.

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Speaker 1: As always, you can follow us on Instagram pod Meets

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Speaker 1: We don't hear it.

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Speaker 5: We don't hear anything.

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Speaker 1: You running to the bay watch music. We can't hear

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Speaker 1: the music.

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Speaker 2: It's no, it's too loud.

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Speaker 3: I think in the life it.

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Speaker 1: Must be too loud. Can you turn down the volume

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Speaker 1: a little bit?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's so good? Can you sing it? Because everything's

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Speaker 2: slow motion? Nothing? Oh my god, it's just it's a

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Speaker 2: David Hasselbob, I love it.

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