WEBVTT - This is Not What Democracy Looks Like 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.920 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKP Daily with Meet 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:19.520 your Girl Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker, folks. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:24.560 Happy Monday to you all, and what a wild week 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.440 last week was. So who the hell knows what this 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:29.920 week has in store for us, But I do want 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.640 to start out with the news that broke at the 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.520 end of last week on Friday, as a matter of fact, 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:39.520 after I had already posted the fuck It Friday, which 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:43.400 is that Twitter Elon Musk has announced a new CEO 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.559 and her name is Linda Yakarino. Linda Yakarino is a 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:55.920 longtime ad sales executive top ad sales executive at NBC Universal, 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.440 and she is making the transition to Twitter. D only 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.280 knows why. I can only assume that the money was 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:09.559 too hard to turn down, because why anyone, particularly a woman. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.520 You know. I don't know anything about Yakarino's background, and 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.800 I'm sure we will learn more and there will be 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.240 profiles and stories and we will, you know, learn more 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.880 about her ideology and whether or not she's going to 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.800 have actual full control over what Twitter is doing. While 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.280 Elon Musk says that he's going to concentrate on new 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:33.680 products and the engineering side of things. So you know, 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.640 what I thought really interesting about this though, is that 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:43.920 anytime there is disaster at a organization, and I've seen 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.560 this in my own work, whether it's an organization or 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.080 a Fortune five hundred company or what have you, anytime 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.640 there is disaster, that's when they decide to bring in 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.680 someone who is not a straight white man. And it 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:03.680 is absolutely wild. I've seen this happen in from LGBTQ 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:08.640 organizations to you know, to Fortune five hundred companies, and 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.920 it's like, for whatever reason, women and black people and 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.320 people of color seem to be the fucking janitors, uh 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.440 for white men, and they go in, they fuck up companies, 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.560 they fuck up organizations, they bring everything down to you know, 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:30.840 down to the studs, and then these people, right, the 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:35.040 non traditional quote unquote CEOs come in and if they 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.080 don't turn things around in six months, then they are 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.960 a failure. And then the board and the shareholders get 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.160 to say to themselves, well, that's why we need a 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.840 white man again. It's just so fucking nauseating, and I 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.680 hope that this is not the cycle that we see here. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.480 And again, I don't know anything currently about Linda Yakarino. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.760 But you know, I'm certain by midweek we will have 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.799 more details about her, her background, uh, and when she's 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.560 going to start and what she's going to do. Is 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:08.320 she going to continue with the tanking of the app, 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:15.200 with having a barrage of white supremacists, anti semites, homophobes, 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.760 transphobes flooded into the space, or is she going to 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.920 get a hold of things so that advertisers actually want 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:26.880 to come back because it is returned to being the 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.320 world's town square. So that will you know, we will 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:35.160 see what happens there next up, I gotta tell you, 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:41.080 I interviewed the thatch Ramaswami be for my other podcast, 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.520 The New Abnormal with The Daily Beast, and I did 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:49.080 not like that men then and it's sure it's ell 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.680 do not like any of the hot shit that he's 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:57.280 been saying. So reportedly his interview with Don Lemon is 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.760 the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.520 the firing for Don Lemon. That it wasn't just uh, 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.480 the misogyny and you know, his treatment of staff, that 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:11.720 it was the very heated interview, which I thought, if 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.520 you want to you know, rate things I thought that 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:19.119 Don Lemon's interview with the vech Ramaswami was the best 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:23.680 Don Lemon interview I've ever seen, And so it's laughable 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.360 that that would be the straw that broke the camel's back. 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.840 But we know that CNN under Chris Lickt has become 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:39.440 a Republican apologist, a white supremaist, you know, ideology just spreader, right, 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.839 like they're that's what they're interested in. Uh, They're interested 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.280 in the spreading of lies and making sure that Republicans 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:49.560 feel comfortable on their network sharing those lies. But THEVEC 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:55.119 recently has been making news, not for anything good, because 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.400 what Republican does make news for anything good these days? 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:03.480 But he made making news because this fool wants to 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:09.280 raise the voting age to twenty five. Right, because, as 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:14.479 we know, the Republican Party is at odds with Generation 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:19.200 Z because Generation Z is inheriting all of their parents 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:23.839 and grandparents bullshit, their grandparents and their parents negligence as 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:28.680 it has come to reform on issues like policing, like 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.400 the environment, like gun control, which they have grown up 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.960 with being on the front lines up and so when 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:41.039 you see the pushback in states like Tennessee where they 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:48.600 try to expel three members of the Tennessee Legislature, and 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:54.039 that showed a just burst of protests that finally had 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:58.360 those members reinstated and voted back in. Then you saw 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:03.600 another Swatha protests that happened in Ohio, again led by 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:07.080 Generation Z. And you're seeing this, You're seeing school walkouts, 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.080 You're in Florida, You're seeing a lot of energy, and 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.120 unfortunately all of it is not being covered by mainstream 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:17.680 media because you know, why show people fighting back against 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:23.839 this fascist, authoritarian, white nationalist takeover of this country. Nonetheless, 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.719 you know the VEC is not alone in his thinking. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:32.080 There are other GOP officials that are trying to upend 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.640 voting on college campuses because God forbid you make it 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.920 easy to vote. God forbid young people be able to 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.400 use their student ID. Now you can use your student ID, 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.359 by the way, to buy an AR fifteen in these places. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.160 But they don't want you to be able to use 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.159 your student ID to be able to vote. So that 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:52.719 just tells you where their priorities are. So the idea 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.600 that you would come out of your mouth, and this 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.520 man is only I believe you know, he's not that old, 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.320 he's none in his twenties, he's definitely of probably on 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.000 the older side of the millennials. But to come out 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:08.680 and say that you need we should raise the voting 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.200 age from eighteen, which I believe that we should be 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.800 lowering the voting age because it is those sixteen year 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.000 old and I think that we should lower it to sixteen. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:19.960 I think that if you're able to get a permit 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:24.800 and drive a car right and work right, because they're 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.960 trying to roll back trial labor laws so that you 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.480 used to have to be sixteen to get a work permit, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.040 So if you can work and drive a car, then 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.520 you should also be able to fucking vote, right. But 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.520 they don't want high schoolers having the ability to vote 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.840 because they would be a lot more liberal minded. And 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:49.240 now you would actually be beholden to people, young people 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.960 whose lives you're putting at risk every single day by 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.480 sending them to school and school shootings happening all the 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.880 time and you choosing to do nothing about it. Right, 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.480 you would have you look at them as your constituents 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.360 and actually answer their questions about why you're not doing 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.240 anything to prevent climate change, and why why you're not 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.000 looking into renewables, and why you're not talking the talk 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.360 and walking the walk. Right. So the idea that the 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:19.680 VAC as well as other GOP members would love to 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.640 raise the voting age and then make a contingent upon 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:26.960 military service isn't what a democracy looks like and is 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:31.040 absolute bullshit. How about you create policies that entice and 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.840 engage the Generation Z and Gen Alpha that is going 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:40.360 to be coming behind them, instead of eliminating their voice 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.480 and their vote, maybe think about what is actually best 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.000 for the country and isn't just what's best for you 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:53.160 and your donors just an idea, and then you know, finally, 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:58.240 before we head into our interview with our friend Gen Tobb, 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:04.160 who is the expert on all things white collar crime, 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.560 E Gene Carroll was once again in the Trump town 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.280 hall that has gotten all the worst coverage. Right, I 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.920 don't care people say, you know, bad press is good press. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:23.520 It really isn't. It really is not. And the way 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:28.040 that Anderson Cooper found himself the following day after the 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:34.600 CNN town hall direct to camera exclaiming and admonishing, not 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:40.640 even exclaiming, admonishing the audience for daring to have pushback 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:46.880 and be really disappointed and want to boycott CNN moving 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.800 forward because of their decision to have Donald Trump on, 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.240 not do any real time fact checking, not pushback at all, 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.160 and just essentially give him a platform for ninety minutes 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.480 to air out his conspiracy theories, his hatred, and his 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:05.760 lie And then Anderson Cooper has the audacity to tell 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.680 us that, like, whether or not we want to see 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.480 Donald Trump, donald Trump exists, so we should put it 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.120 couch him in a situation where you know there is 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.640 pushback and blah blah, and I'm like, so, basically, don lemon, 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:24.559 basically excuse me. That was a slip. Basically, Anderson Cooper, 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:30.560 if the CNN town hall was such a success, you 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.920 wouldn't have had to use your opening monologue the following 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.840 day to give your own mini town hall to brate 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:44.240 the audience for choosing not to provide your network with 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:48.679 the ratings that it wanted. Now, the ratings came in 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:53.200 well above Fox and MSNBC in that time slot, but 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.000 it wasn't at all as high as they were hoping, 0:10:56.080 --> 0:11:00.160 and it wasn't at all matching numbers back in twenty sixteen, 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.800 when Donald Trump actually had some play and people didn't 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:09.000 really know who he was as a politician, right, so 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.800 they were tuning in And now I think that most 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:16.680 people tuned in to that CNN town Hall one to 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.880 see what he was going to say about being found 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:24.360 libel the day before for sexual abuse and defamation, on 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:29.120 which he just continued to defame Egene Carol. And Egene 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:36.400 Carroll has kind of said potentially that she may be 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:43.240 looking to sue him for a fourth time because he 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.760 continues to defame her and CNN gave him a platform 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.000 to do it, and all the lawyers would have to 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.719 show is that clip end of the audience laughing and 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:59.720 up again, CNN providing no pushback, no nothing. So I 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.600 think that if Egene Carroll actually does decide, and God 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.800 bless her, if she does decide to sue Donald Trump again, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.959 she needs to throw CNN in that lawsuit as well, 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.360 because what they did was indefensible. I don't give a 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:19.440 fuck what Anderson Cooper says, because anyone who isn't getting 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.640 a check from CNN has said the same exact thing. 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.319 All right, friends, coming up next, my interview and conversation 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:34.600 with our friend Jennifer Tobb. Folks, you know that I'm 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:39.800 always excited when I get to bring my friend Jennifer Tobb, author, 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.760 law professor, author of the book Big Dirty Money and 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.720 Other People's Houses, and hosts of the Politicon podcast, booked 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:50.440 up with Jen Tobb onto OKF Daily. It is always 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.560 a treat, and it is particularly a treat because Jen, 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:57.320 I actually want to start with good news, like for once, 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.520 I want to start with good news, and the good 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:07.080 news being that Egene Carol, a friend of yours, a 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:11.840 woman that I continue to applaud for her bravery, her persistence, 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:18.240 her courage, her case was finally decided. She finally got 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:23.640 her day in court, and frankly, as the representative for 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:28.240 twenty six other women, twenty five other women that would 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:32.400 have accused Donald Trump of either sexual harassment or sexual assault, 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:39.240 found in this civil case that Donald Trump was libel 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:44.880 for sexual abuse, for defamation, and other charges. So first, 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.400 before we dig into what that all means, I want 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:49.960 to get your initial reaction. 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:57.160 You know, I, given that were several several days after 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:03.320 the verdict, my reaction keeps right. So immediately I was 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.560 stunned that it came back so fast that they were 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.520 able to come up with the damages amount when they 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.640 hadn't been instructed on one, and even though I was 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.640 exceedingly happy for Egene, all of a sudden I just 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.960 felt so much grief and anxiety because I think I'd 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:22.960 been holding all of that in even when I was 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.120 at the trial, and just that she had to live 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.800 through all of it. Like I was in my fighting mode, 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.320 you know, I was in my like okay, just do 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.840 do do And then I just felt so sad and 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:36.400 so anxious. But then I woke up the you know, 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.120 the next day, and was just so thrilled, but at 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:43.880 the same time, at the same time, I already understood 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:49.840 even an hour after the verdict, that the Trump town 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.960 hall would be coming up the following day and that 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.960 he was going to trash her in public again. And 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.440 in fact, I said I was right for the Washington Monthly, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.360 and my editor there sometimes just interviews me instead of 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.120 having me write something because I'm busy, and he interviewed 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.160 me after the verdicts, and I in fact did say that, 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.160 I said, you know, I'm quite worried about it. And 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.480 yet some people's response is like, okay, And by the way, 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.720 now that we're past the town hall, we know that 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:22.120 he not only redefamed her, said the same Lise before that, 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.760 he claiming he wasn't there and said bad things about her. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.840 He also enlisted the crowd to mock and laugh at her, 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.560 and it just made me feel so sick. And you know, 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.040 there are some folks who look at that and say, okay, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.040 well then she can bring another case. And that was 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.000 my whole reaction to the Washington Monthly is when does 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.440 this end? N does this end? We know that she 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.760 has that other case to move forward, but the only 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.800 thing that I guess my other reaction is, you know, 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:54.600 I'm half human, half lawyer, which is funny because my 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:58.000 zodiac sign is Sagittarius. I guess that makes sense. But 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:02.480 I'm half human, half lawyer. So I'm toggling between sort 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:06.000 of my human reactions. And then my brain starts acting 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.280 and saying, oh, well, he's gonna have to post a bond, 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.520 and you know, so like and then there's a lot 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.360 there's a lot of legal doctrines that get involved. So like, 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.960 half of me again is thrilled for her and just 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:20.960 grieving the process and so sickened that CNN gave him 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.000 a platform for his defamation and his lies and his 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:30.040 repeating insurrectionist language and everything it all gets tied together, right, 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.160 and then this other part of me is pure strategy, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.600 thinking legal strategy and also thinking political strategy about what 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.560 we need to do next. That was a long winded answer. 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.200 No, it's I mean, there's a lot going on, and 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.840 I think that it's important to give breath and depth 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.880 to her case and this issue. And you know, I 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.760 will say that for me when the verdicate, I was 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.000 holding my breath right like as many people were, because 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.360 you know, ultimately in these types of cases, it really 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:05.280 doesn't amount to he said, she said, and frankly, Donald 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:11.040 Trump said way too fucking much. That convinced the jury that, yeah, 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.080 this is a pattern of behavior. This is who this 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:18.639 man is in his you know deposition. For millions of years, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.159 stars have been able to do this. Well, do you 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.240 see yourself as a star? Yes, I do, right, And 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.520 just you know, there was a time following the Access 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:34.560 Hollywood tapes where there was a distance that was created 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.520 and said, you know, this was locker room talk, this 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:42.560 is not real behavior. Over the course since twenty sixteen ten, 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.919 now that Donald Trump has evolved and has been like, 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.760 oh no, this isn't locker room talk. Is this is 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.919 allowed this is who I am. He has doubled and 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.919 tripled down on this, and you saw that in the deposition, 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.360 and obviously the jury of his peers also saw that. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.639 And you know, I have to say that if you 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:08.080 feel wrongly accused, I would think that one would show 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:13.320 up in court, take the stand and be heard from directly, 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:18.119 and not be golfing on a course in Scotland, right, 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:22.000 that you would be there and say I am being defamed. 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.320 I my name is being dragged through the mud. But 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.280 Donald Trump didn't bother to do that. I wanted to 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:36.280 get your thoughts too on Tacopino, the lawyer for Donald Trump, 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:40.840 and the way that he went after Egene Carroll, and 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.840 then what she said most recently in the interview on 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:48.760 Morning Joe, where she said very graciously that this guy 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.639 is likable, right, that he you know, he has charisma, 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:56.600 he has all of these things, but that she looked 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.439 at him dead in his eye and said, you know, 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:02.560 he did it. So what do you make of the 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:08.320 way that he tried to defame her again on the stand, 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.200 and then her response to kind of his demeanor after 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:13.200 the verdict. 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:17.200 Yeah, and I'm gonna answer that. But since you mentioned 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:22.760 his lawyer, Joe Tacapina. Because I watched the CNN town hall, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:26.280 I can tell you that, and maybe you heard this reporting. 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.600 Caitlin Collins asked Donald Trump, well, then why didn't you 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.760 come testify kind of like what you're saying, Danielle, And 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.680 he said, oh, well, his lawyers came to him and said, sir, 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.080 you know whenever he does a sir, you know this 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.960 is a lotical but right, so sir, you shouldn't go 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:47.479 because it's just a made up story. No, okay, So 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:49.439 what does Joe you know, Joe, So what does that 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.159 mean about being a lawyer like Joe Tacapina, Is he 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.400 should he go out in public and say I never 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:59.560 told my client that. Ethically, he you can't. If a 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:03.199 client lies in public about you, you're not obligated to 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.439 correct it, and in fact, it would hurt the client 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.359 if you did. If a client's going to lie, you 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.440 have to resign. So that's I think the reason why 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.840 Trump actually didn't testify, even though you know, he was 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.880 claiming why I can't, and and then the judge kept extending, extending. 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.200 I think he didn't testify because Joe said to him, 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.200 and he said this I will quit if he does, 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.439 because he will not. You're not if you know the 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.919 truth of what your client did, you know the real story, 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:30.960 and you think that they're going to lie on the stand, 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.320 you can't. You can't represent someone in that instance. And 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.880 maybe he just didn't want him so that, but that's 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.359 what I think went on there in terms of the 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:45.040 lawyer in his demeanor. You know, doesn't matter whether you're 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.800 likable or not. You know, he behaved like a thug. 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.200 You have a courtroom. And this is why I will 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:56.720 not take on a rape defense. Let I mean, let 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:58.840 me just be really clear. I take being a lawyer 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:00.919 really seriously, and if if you are going to defend 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:06.520 a client, you have to defend them aggressively within the 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.960 bounds of what the law allows. And this is a 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.120 guy who has chosen to represent some of the most 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.480 awful people in the world, like he represented that guy 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:21.280 who killed Natalie hallwell, right, he represented some of the 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:24.479 worst people in the world. And I do think some 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:26.359 of the worst people or people who've done some of 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.280 the worst things need a defense though, right, So I'm 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.720 torn a little bit right about not the way he 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:36.359 treated Egene, but about the fact that It's great that 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:38.640 we can all say he did a really good job 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.080 for his client, because that means Donald Trump got a 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:44.879 fair trial. And he threw everything at Egene, and it 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.040 was you know, he got sanctioned by the judge quite 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.240 a bit because at least when I was in the courtroom, 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:52.960 what he was doing was often you go back to 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:54.600 the same thing over and over again to try to 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.720 be repetitive. In part, you can be attached to bore 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.520 the jury, but it can be like insidious. Why you 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.840 suggesting there's something more? Why you keep asking her this question? 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.760 And the judge shut that, shut that stuff down. You 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.160 know what he did, I mean it made me sick, 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:13.080 like what he was doing on god Cross. But what 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:14.720 he said the other morning when I saw what you're 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:18.600 talking about the other day with Egene, I'm trying to 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.560 remember it, like he went around to shake everyone's hand 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:23.800 after the case, and when he when he reached out 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:27.320 his hand to eg she didn't she didn't shake it. 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:31.440 She looked at him at first and said, Joe, he 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:35.040 did it, and you know it, and you know it yep, yep, 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:39.000 I mean, and that he didn't. Of course, he said, 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:41.439 what is he gonna do? He can't say that he 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.040 you know, and I don't know if Donald Trump actually 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:47.200 told him he did it or not. Remember Joe joined 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:50.720 like Joe joined the case. Joe joined the case after 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:54.960 what's her name, Alita Haba screwed up at that deposition 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.280 or didn't prep him for the deposition or what have you. 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.840 I mean, the reality is is that, like, yeah, we 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:06.439 all know Donald Trump did it right, Yeah, And and Takapino, 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.960 you know, he's not an idiot. I may not like him, right, 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:12.879 and and what he represents and what he does and 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.720 how he does it, but like he's not dumb. I 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:18.000 don't think that he's sitting around thinking to himself. Oh no, 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:20.480 Donald Trump's a really good guy. You work for him. 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.600 You know exactly who the fuck he is, right, and 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:25.880 exactly how he handles people, and just you know, just recently, 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:34.800 you have Elisa Fara Griffin comes out and repeats the 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:40.920 fact that during his administration, she experienced sexual harassment and 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:45.760 watched Donald Trump, president of the United States, sexually harassed 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:50.640 other women, not to the extent, she says, of what happened, 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:54.280 not an assault, to the extent of what happened with 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:59.120 Egene Caravell what she said was, you know, indefensible and 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:01.600 brought that so you know that this is a pattern 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:06.359 of you know, of behavior. His home mode is dominating everybody, everybody, 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.520 and the way you dominate women is in a particularly 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:13.359 sexualized way. That's the most insulting way to dominate women. 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.560 And he dominates men and he insults and so there's 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:19.600 no reason of course he's you know, of course. 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:22.399 He's a rapist. I mean we know that, or a 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:23.600 sexual abuser. 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:27.920 He's a predator. I'm so, you know, I want to 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:33.520 switch gears to talk about the other case that we 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:38.520 now have in front of us, George Santos, the untalented 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:42.639 mister Ripley. Jen is holding up all of these papers 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:47.040 with the list of the thirteen felony charges that the 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:53.160 Department of Justice has brought against George Santos. So, Jen, 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:56.840 this is your bread and butter. This is the white 0:24:56.920 --> 0:25:04.480 collar grip. So tell us about thirteen felony charges against 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:06.680 the untalented mister Ripley. 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:12.480 George Santos, Yeah, my bread and butter. You know, people 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:14.560 do say when they hear about white collar crime, they 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:18.840 think of me. You know, it's interesting, it's interesting work 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:21.720 because it's sort of more complicated. I like the complex, 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:27.399 you know, the complex talented or untalented grift of the 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:31.840 elite is my specialty. So even though there are thirteen counts, 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:37.320 there are not that many statutes involved. Right, So the 0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:42.679 laws that he broke in this case, you know, it 0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.800 involved you know, fraud, like a federal fraud we called 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:50.640 wire fraud because he used the phone or the internet. 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:56.840 It's also the other charge is in those wire fraud. 0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:58.960 By the way, there's several different counts of that. One 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:05.639