1 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKP Daily with Meet 2 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: your Girl Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker, folks. 3 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: Happy Monday to you all, and what a wild week 4 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: last week was. So who the hell knows what this 5 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: week has in store for us, But I do want 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: to start out with the news that broke at the 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: end of last week on Friday, as a matter of fact, 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: after I had already posted the fuck It Friday, which 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: is that Twitter Elon Musk has announced a new CEO 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: and her name is Linda Yakarino. Linda Yakarino is a 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: longtime ad sales executive top ad sales executive at NBC Universal, 12 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: and she is making the transition to Twitter. D only 13 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: knows why. I can only assume that the money was 14 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: too hard to turn down, because why anyone, particularly a woman. 15 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: You know. I don't know anything about Yakarino's background, and 16 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure we will learn more and there will be 17 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: profiles and stories and we will, you know, learn more 18 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: about her ideology and whether or not she's going to 19 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: have actual full control over what Twitter is doing. While 20 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: Elon Musk says that he's going to concentrate on new 21 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: products and the engineering side of things. So you know, 22 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: what I thought really interesting about this though, is that 23 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: anytime there is disaster at a organization, and I've seen 24 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: this in my own work, whether it's an organization or 25 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: a Fortune five hundred company or what have you, anytime 26 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: there is disaster, that's when they decide to bring in 27 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: someone who is not a straight white man. And it 28 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: is absolutely wild. I've seen this happen in from LGBTQ 29 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: organizations to you know, to Fortune five hundred companies, and 30 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: it's like, for whatever reason, women and black people and 31 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: people of color seem to be the fucking janitors, uh 32 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: for white men, and they go in, they fuck up companies, 33 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: they fuck up organizations, they bring everything down to you know, 34 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: down to the studs, and then these people, right, the 35 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: non traditional quote unquote CEOs come in and if they 36 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: don't turn things around in six months, then they are 37 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: a failure. And then the board and the shareholders get 38 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: to say to themselves, well, that's why we need a 39 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: white man again. It's just so fucking nauseating, and I 40 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: hope that this is not the cycle that we see here. 41 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: And again, I don't know anything currently about Linda Yakarino. 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm certain by midweek we will have 43 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: more details about her, her background, uh, and when she's 44 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: going to start and what she's going to do. Is 45 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: she going to continue with the tanking of the app, 46 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: with having a barrage of white supremacists, anti semites, homophobes, 47 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: transphobes flooded into the space, or is she going to 48 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: get a hold of things so that advertisers actually want 49 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: to come back because it is returned to being the 50 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: world's town square. So that will you know, we will 51 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: see what happens there next up, I gotta tell you, 52 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: I interviewed the thatch Ramaswami be for my other podcast, 53 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: The New Abnormal with The Daily Beast, and I did 54 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: not like that men then and it's sure it's ell 55 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: do not like any of the hot shit that he's 56 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: been saying. So reportedly his interview with Don Lemon is 57 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of 58 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: the firing for Don Lemon. That it wasn't just uh, 59 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: the misogyny and you know, his treatment of staff, that 60 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: it was the very heated interview, which I thought, if 61 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: you want to you know, rate things I thought that 62 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,119 Speaker 1: Don Lemon's interview with the vech Ramaswami was the best 63 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: Don Lemon interview I've ever seen, And so it's laughable 64 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: that that would be the straw that broke the camel's back. 65 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: But we know that CNN under Chris Lickt has become 66 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: a Republican apologist, a white supremaist, you know, ideology just spreader, right, 67 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: like they're that's what they're interested in. Uh, They're interested 68 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: in the spreading of lies and making sure that Republicans 69 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: feel comfortable on their network sharing those lies. But THEVEC 70 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,119 Speaker 1: recently has been making news, not for anything good, because 71 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: what Republican does make news for anything good these days? 72 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: But he made making news because this fool wants to 73 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: raise the voting age to twenty five. Right, because, as 74 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: we know, the Republican Party is at odds with Generation 75 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: Z because Generation Z is inheriting all of their parents 76 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: and grandparents bullshit, their grandparents and their parents negligence as 77 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: it has come to reform on issues like policing, like 78 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: the environment, like gun control, which they have grown up 79 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: with being on the front lines up and so when 80 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: you see the pushback in states like Tennessee where they 81 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: try to expel three members of the Tennessee Legislature, and 82 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: that showed a just burst of protests that finally had 83 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: those members reinstated and voted back in. Then you saw 84 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: another Swatha protests that happened in Ohio, again led by 85 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: Generation Z. And you're seeing this, You're seeing school walkouts, 86 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: You're in Florida, You're seeing a lot of energy, and 87 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: unfortunately all of it is not being covered by mainstream 88 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: media because you know, why show people fighting back against 89 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: this fascist, authoritarian, white nationalist takeover of this country. Nonetheless, 90 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: you know the VEC is not alone in his thinking. 91 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: There are other GOP officials that are trying to upend 92 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: voting on college campuses because God forbid you make it 93 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: easy to vote. God forbid young people be able to 94 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: use their student ID. Now you can use your student ID, 95 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: by the way, to buy an AR fifteen in these places. 96 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: But they don't want you to be able to use 97 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: your student ID to be able to vote. So that 98 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: just tells you where their priorities are. So the idea 99 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: that you would come out of your mouth, and this 100 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: man is only I believe you know, he's not that old, 101 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: he's none in his twenties, he's definitely of probably on 102 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: the older side of the millennials. But to come out 103 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: and say that you need we should raise the voting 104 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: age from eighteen, which I believe that we should be 105 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: lowering the voting age because it is those sixteen year 106 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: old and I think that we should lower it to sixteen. 107 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: I think that if you're able to get a permit 108 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: and drive a car right and work right, because they're 109 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: trying to roll back trial labor laws so that you 110 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: used to have to be sixteen to get a work permit, 111 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: So if you can work and drive a car, then 112 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: you should also be able to fucking vote, right. But 113 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: they don't want high schoolers having the ability to vote 114 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: because they would be a lot more liberal minded. And 115 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: now you would actually be beholden to people, young people 116 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: whose lives you're putting at risk every single day by 117 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: sending them to school and school shootings happening all the 118 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: time and you choosing to do nothing about it. Right, 119 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: you would have you look at them as your constituents 120 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: and actually answer their questions about why you're not doing 121 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: anything to prevent climate change, and why why you're not 122 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: looking into renewables, and why you're not talking the talk 123 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: and walking the walk. Right. So the idea that the 124 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: VAC as well as other GOP members would love to 125 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: raise the voting age and then make a contingent upon 126 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: military service isn't what a democracy looks like and is 127 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: absolute bullshit. How about you create policies that entice and 128 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: engage the Generation Z and Gen Alpha that is going 129 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: to be coming behind them, instead of eliminating their voice 130 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: and their vote, maybe think about what is actually best 131 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: for the country and isn't just what's best for you 132 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: and your donors just an idea, and then you know, finally, 133 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: before we head into our interview with our friend Gen Tobb, 134 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: who is the expert on all things white collar crime, 135 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: E Gene Carroll was once again in the Trump town 136 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: hall that has gotten all the worst coverage. Right, I 137 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: don't care people say, you know, bad press is good press. 138 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: It really isn't. It really is not. And the way 139 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: that Anderson Cooper found himself the following day after the 140 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: CNN town hall direct to camera exclaiming and admonishing, not 141 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: even exclaiming, admonishing the audience for daring to have pushback 142 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: and be really disappointed and want to boycott CNN moving 143 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: forward because of their decision to have Donald Trump on, 144 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: not do any real time fact checking, not pushback at all, 145 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: and just essentially give him a platform for ninety minutes 146 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: to air out his conspiracy theories, his hatred, and his 147 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: lie And then Anderson Cooper has the audacity to tell 148 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: us that, like, whether or not we want to see 149 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, donald Trump exists, so we should put it 150 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: couch him in a situation where you know there is 151 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: pushback and blah blah, and I'm like, so, basically, don lemon, 152 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: basically excuse me. That was a slip. Basically, Anderson Cooper, 153 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: if the CNN town hall was such a success, you 154 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't have had to use your opening monologue the following 155 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: day to give your own mini town hall to brate 156 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: the audience for choosing not to provide your network with 157 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: the ratings that it wanted. Now, the ratings came in 158 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: well above Fox and MSNBC in that time slot, but 159 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't at all as high as they were hoping, 160 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: and it wasn't at all matching numbers back in twenty sixteen, 161 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: when Donald Trump actually had some play and people didn't 162 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: really know who he was as a politician, right, so 163 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: they were tuning in And now I think that most 164 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: people tuned in to that CNN town Hall one to 165 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: see what he was going to say about being found 166 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: libel the day before for sexual abuse and defamation, on 167 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: which he just continued to defame Egene Carol. And Egene 168 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: Carroll has kind of said potentially that she may be 169 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: looking to sue him for a fourth time because he 170 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: continues to defame her and CNN gave him a platform 171 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: to do it, and all the lawyers would have to 172 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 1: show is that clip end of the audience laughing and 173 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: up again, CNN providing no pushback, no nothing. So I 174 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: think that if Egene Carroll actually does decide, and God 175 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: bless her, if she does decide to sue Donald Trump again, 176 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: she needs to throw CNN in that lawsuit as well, 177 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: because what they did was indefensible. I don't give a 178 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: fuck what Anderson Cooper says, because anyone who isn't getting 179 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: a check from CNN has said the same exact thing. 180 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: All right, friends, coming up next, my interview and conversation 181 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: with our friend Jennifer Tobb. Folks, you know that I'm 182 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: always excited when I get to bring my friend Jennifer Tobb, author, 183 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: law professor, author of the book Big Dirty Money and 184 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: Other People's Houses, and hosts of the Politicon podcast, booked 185 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: up with Jen Tobb onto OKF Daily. It is always 186 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: a treat, and it is particularly a treat because Jen, 187 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: I actually want to start with good news, like for once, 188 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: I want to start with good news, and the good 189 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: news being that Egene Carol, a friend of yours, a 190 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: woman that I continue to applaud for her bravery, her persistence, 191 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: her courage, her case was finally decided. She finally got 192 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: her day in court, and frankly, as the representative for 193 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: twenty six other women, twenty five other women that would 194 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: have accused Donald Trump of either sexual harassment or sexual assault, 195 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: found in this civil case that Donald Trump was libel 196 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: for sexual abuse, for defamation, and other charges. So first, 197 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: before we dig into what that all means, I want 198 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: to get your initial reaction. 199 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: You know, I, given that were several several days after 200 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: the verdict, my reaction keeps right. So immediately I was 201 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 2: stunned that it came back so fast that they were 202 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: able to come up with the damages amount when they 203 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: hadn't been instructed on one, and even though I was 204 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: exceedingly happy for Egene, all of a sudden I just 205 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: felt so much grief and anxiety because I think I'd 206 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: been holding all of that in even when I was 207 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: at the trial, and just that she had to live 208 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: through all of it. Like I was in my fighting mode, 209 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: you know, I was in my like okay, just do 210 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: do do And then I just felt so sad and 211 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: so anxious. But then I woke up the you know, 212 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: the next day, and was just so thrilled, but at 213 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: the same time, at the same time, I already understood 214 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: even an hour after the verdict, that the Trump town 215 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: hall would be coming up the following day and that 216 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: he was going to trash her in public again. And 217 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: in fact, I said I was right for the Washington Monthly, 218 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: and my editor there sometimes just interviews me instead of 219 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: having me write something because I'm busy, and he interviewed 220 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: me after the verdicts, and I in fact did say that, 221 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: I said, you know, I'm quite worried about it. And 222 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: yet some people's response is like, okay, And by the way, 223 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: now that we're past the town hall, we know that 224 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: he not only redefamed her, said the same Lise before that, 225 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: he claiming he wasn't there and said bad things about her. 226 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: He also enlisted the crowd to mock and laugh at her, 227 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: and it just made me feel so sick. And you know, 228 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: there are some folks who look at that and say, okay, 229 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: well then she can bring another case. And that was 230 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: my whole reaction to the Washington Monthly is when does 231 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: this end? N does this end? We know that she 232 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: has that other case to move forward, but the only 233 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: thing that I guess my other reaction is, you know, 234 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: I'm half human, half lawyer, which is funny because my 235 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: zodiac sign is Sagittarius. I guess that makes sense. But 236 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: I'm half human, half lawyer. So I'm toggling between sort 237 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: of my human reactions. And then my brain starts acting 238 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: and saying, oh, well, he's gonna have to post a bond, 239 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: and you know, so like and then there's a lot 240 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: there's a lot of legal doctrines that get involved. So like, 241 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: half of me again is thrilled for her and just 242 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: grieving the process and so sickened that CNN gave him 243 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: a platform for his defamation and his lies and his 244 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: repeating insurrectionist language and everything it all gets tied together, right, 245 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: and then this other part of me is pure strategy, 246 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: thinking legal strategy and also thinking political strategy about what 247 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: we need to do next. That was a long winded answer. 248 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: No, it's I mean, there's a lot going on, and 249 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: I think that it's important to give breath and depth 250 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: to her case and this issue. And you know, I 251 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: will say that for me when the verdicate, I was 252 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: holding my breath right like as many people were, because 253 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, ultimately in these types of cases, it really 254 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: doesn't amount to he said, she said, and frankly, Donald 255 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: Trump said way too fucking much. That convinced the jury that, yeah, 256 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: this is a pattern of behavior. This is who this 257 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: man is in his you know deposition. For millions of years, 258 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: stars have been able to do this. Well, do you 259 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: see yourself as a star? Yes, I do, right, And 260 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: just you know, there was a time following the Access 261 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: Hollywood tapes where there was a distance that was created 262 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: and said, you know, this was locker room talk, this 263 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: is not real behavior. Over the course since twenty sixteen ten, 264 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: now that Donald Trump has evolved and has been like, 265 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: oh no, this isn't locker room talk. Is this is 266 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: allowed this is who I am. He has doubled and 267 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: tripled down on this, and you saw that in the deposition, 268 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: and obviously the jury of his peers also saw that. 269 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: And you know, I have to say that if you 270 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: feel wrongly accused, I would think that one would show 271 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: up in court, take the stand and be heard from directly, 272 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: and not be golfing on a course in Scotland, right, 273 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: that you would be there and say I am being defamed. 274 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: I my name is being dragged through the mud. But 275 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump didn't bother to do that. I wanted to 276 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: get your thoughts too on Tacopino, the lawyer for Donald Trump, 277 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: and the way that he went after Egene Carroll, and 278 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: then what she said most recently in the interview on 279 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: Morning Joe, where she said very graciously that this guy 280 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: is likable, right, that he you know, he has charisma, 281 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: he has all of these things, but that she looked 282 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: at him dead in his eye and said, you know, 283 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: he did it. So what do you make of the 284 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: way that he tried to defame her again on the stand, 285 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: and then her response to kind of his demeanor after 286 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: the verdict. 287 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm gonna answer that. But since you mentioned 288 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: his lawyer, Joe Tacapina. Because I watched the CNN town hall, 289 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: I can tell you that, and maybe you heard this reporting. 290 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: Caitlin Collins asked Donald Trump, well, then why didn't you 291 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: come testify kind of like what you're saying, Danielle, And 292 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: he said, oh, well, his lawyers came to him and said, sir, 293 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: you know whenever he does a sir, you know this 294 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: is a lotical but right, so sir, you shouldn't go 295 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 2: because it's just a made up story. No, okay, So 296 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 2: what does Joe you know, Joe, So what does that 297 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 2: mean about being a lawyer like Joe Tacapina, Is he 298 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: should he go out in public and say I never 299 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: told my client that. Ethically, he you can't. If a 300 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 2: client lies in public about you, you're not obligated to 301 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 2: correct it, and in fact, it would hurt the client 302 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 2: if you did. If a client's going to lie, you 303 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 2: have to resign. So that's I think the reason why 304 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: Trump actually didn't testify, even though you know, he was 305 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 2: claiming why I can't, and and then the judge kept extending, extending. 306 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: I think he didn't testify because Joe said to him, 307 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: and he said this I will quit if he does, 308 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 2: because he will not. You're not if you know the 309 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 2: truth of what your client did, you know the real story, 310 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: and you think that they're going to lie on the stand, 311 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: you can't. You can't represent someone in that instance. And 312 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 2: maybe he just didn't want him so that, but that's 313 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: what I think went on there in terms of the 314 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: lawyer in his demeanor. You know, doesn't matter whether you're 315 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: likable or not. You know, he behaved like a thug. 316 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 2: You have a courtroom. And this is why I will 317 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: not take on a rape defense. Let I mean, let 318 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: me just be really clear. I take being a lawyer 319 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 2: really seriously, and if if you are going to defend 320 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: a client, you have to defend them aggressively within the 321 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: bounds of what the law allows. And this is a 322 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 2: guy who has chosen to represent some of the most 323 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: awful people in the world, like he represented that guy 324 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: who killed Natalie hallwell, right, he represented some of the 325 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 2: worst people in the world. And I do think some 326 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: of the worst people or people who've done some of 327 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: the worst things need a defense though, right, So I'm 328 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: torn a little bit right about not the way he 329 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: treated Egene, but about the fact that It's great that 330 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 2: we can all say he did a really good job 331 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: for his client, because that means Donald Trump got a 332 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: fair trial. And he threw everything at Egene, and it 333 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: was you know, he got sanctioned by the judge quite 334 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: a bit because at least when I was in the courtroom, 335 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: what he was doing was often you go back to 336 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: the same thing over and over again to try to 337 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: be repetitive. In part, you can be attached to bore 338 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: the jury, but it can be like insidious. Why you 339 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: suggesting there's something more? Why you keep asking her this question? 340 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: And the judge shut that, shut that stuff down. You 341 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: know what he did, I mean it made me sick, 342 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: like what he was doing on god Cross. But what 343 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: he said the other morning when I saw what you're 344 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: talking about the other day with Egene, I'm trying to 345 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: remember it, like he went around to shake everyone's hand 346 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: after the case, and when he when he reached out 347 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 2: his hand to eg she didn't she didn't shake it. 348 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: She looked at him at first and said, Joe, he 349 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: did it, and you know it, and you know it yep, yep, 350 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: I mean, and that he didn't. Of course, he said, 351 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 2: what is he gonna do? He can't say that he 352 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: you know, and I don't know if Donald Trump actually 353 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: told him he did it or not. Remember Joe joined 354 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: like Joe joined the case. Joe joined the case after 355 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: what's her name, Alita Haba screwed up at that deposition 356 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: or didn't prep him for the deposition or what have you. 357 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is is that, like, yeah, we 358 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: all know Donald Trump did it right, Yeah, And and Takapino, 359 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, he's not an idiot. I may not like him, right, 360 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: and and what he represents and what he does and 361 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: how he does it, but like he's not dumb. I 362 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: don't think that he's sitting around thinking to himself. Oh no, 363 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's a really good guy. You work for him. 364 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: You know exactly who the fuck he is, right, and 365 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: exactly how he handles people, and just you know, just recently, 366 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: you have Elisa Fara Griffin comes out and repeats the 367 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: fact that during his administration, she experienced sexual harassment and 368 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: watched Donald Trump, president of the United States, sexually harassed 369 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: other women, not to the extent, she says, of what happened, 370 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: not an assault, to the extent of what happened with 371 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: Egene Caravell what she said was, you know, indefensible and 372 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: brought that so you know that this is a pattern 373 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: of you know, of behavior. His home mode is dominating everybody, everybody, 374 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: and the way you dominate women is in a particularly 375 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: sexualized way. That's the most insulting way to dominate women. 376 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: And he dominates men and he insults and so there's 377 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: no reason of course he's you know, of course. 378 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: He's a rapist. I mean we know that, or a 379 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: sexual abuser. 380 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: He's a predator. I'm so, you know, I want to 381 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: switch gears to talk about the other case that we 382 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: now have in front of us, George Santos, the untalented 383 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: mister Ripley. Jen is holding up all of these papers 384 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: with the list of the thirteen felony charges that the 385 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: Department of Justice has brought against George Santos. So, Jen, 386 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: this is your bread and butter. This is the white 387 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: collar grip. So tell us about thirteen felony charges against 388 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: the untalented mister Ripley. 389 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: George Santos, Yeah, my bread and butter. You know, people 390 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: do say when they hear about white collar crime, they 391 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: think of me. You know, it's interesting, it's interesting work 392 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 2: because it's sort of more complicated. I like the complex, 393 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 2: you know, the complex talented or untalented grift of the 394 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: elite is my specialty. So even though there are thirteen counts, 395 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: there are not that many statutes involved. Right, So the 396 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 2: laws that he broke in this case, you know, it 397 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: involved you know, fraud, like a federal fraud we called 398 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 2: wire fraud because he used the phone or the internet. 399 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: It's also the other charge is in those wire fraud. 400 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: By the way, there's several different counts of that. One 401 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 2: was this political campaign contribution fraud where he was he 402 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 2: had someone he was working with who I think flipped 403 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 2: like an individual one type person who he was working 404 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: with someone and he said, hey, I've set up this 405 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: five oh one C four, which is the reference to 406 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 2: the tax code, which is what you the structure you 407 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: need to use for like these political for packs for example, 408 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 2: And he claimed that he'd registered this corporation and he 409 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 2: was using it to get a donor to the campaign. 410 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I should say, let's be carefully. He was 411 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 2: soliciting contributions to what he claimed was a super pack. 412 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 2: And thanks to Citizens United, this isn't so simple anymore. 413 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: See under the law today, Still there are outright limits 414 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: and I think it's like twenty seven hundred dollars. I 415 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 2: might have them. I'm out wrong. How much you could 416 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 2: actually give to a candidate or a campaign during an 417 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: election cycle, whatever the number is, it's like under three 418 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: thousand dollars, so it's limited. However, there's a giant loophole 419 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 2: you can drive a truck through, and that is these 420 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 2: creating these these so called super packs, which is a 421 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: political action committee dedicated to just one candidate. And those 422 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: political action committees cannot only receive unlimited funds, but an 423 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: individ but a donor can give unlimited amounts of money 424 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: to a political action committee. So it really does. And 425 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 2: the key thing though is that political action committee can't 426 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 2: coordinate with the candidate. It's supposed to be like separing 427 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 2: it apart. And the thinking because of Citizens United. And 428 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 2: a subsequent case was if you and Danielle could spend 429 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 2: unlimited money putting up independent ads saying I love George Santos, 430 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: vote for him. There's no reason why you and I 431 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 2: couldn't get together with all of our friends and set 432 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 2: up a corporation. We shouldn't be deprived of joining our 433 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 2: money together and independently say we love George Santos. But 434 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: the independent thing is key. The other key thing is 435 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 2: that it's actually this pack is has to be separate. 436 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: It has to be registered properly. Okay, this pat so 437 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 2: that you have this other guy who was soliciting campaign 438 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: funds for George Santos, and George Santos was having that 439 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: money put into a corporation. But the corporation wasn't a 440 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: five to one c four that corporation. He was Santos 441 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: was somehow like a main owner of that corporation and 442 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: not so. Not only was it a campaign finance violation 443 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: because this guy gave above the limit because it was 444 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 2: essentially just giving money to Santos, but the other, the 445 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 2: other port to the campaign, the other problem is he 446 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 2: was giving money, so it was fraud because the guy 447 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 2: who was giving all this money, you know, Santos, was 448 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 2: using it to pay his bills, to buy fancy clothes, 449 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 2: you know, to support the lifestyle to which this grifter 450 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: has become a customed. So that's that's part of it. 451 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, I love this part. Use the funds to 452 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: make personal purchases, including of designer clothing. I really need 453 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: to see the designer clothing, because I don't really think 454 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: he's dressing just so I'm. 455 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: Just so odd. Somebody else said that too, and I 456 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: was just like, what, I'm like, this five layered shirt 457 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: look that he does and give me yep. 458 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: Rick you know what those are for his designer drag. 459 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, maybe that's maybe that's where maybe one hundred percent. 460 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring it to the clothing always, Okay. Anyway, 461 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: in cash to pay off some of his debts and 462 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: to transfer money to people he knew. So that's one 463 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: of the schemes. Okay. One of the other schemes was 464 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: an unemployment fraud scheme, So this is a kind we're 465 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: still in the wire fraud part. Yeah. And by the way, 466 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: the political contribution campaign scheme was several counts, you know, 467 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: because there's several bad things he did there or acts 468 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: of the offense. Another thing was his his unemployment insurance 469 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 2: fraud schemes. So during COVID, there was like special legislation 470 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: to provide additional funding for out of work Americans during 471 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: the pandemic, and so he applied for that, but he 472 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 2: was actually fully employed at the time, and so he 473 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: you know, grifted in that way. The other thing he 474 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 2: did was a kind of money laundering type violation involving 475 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 2: moving some of the this money around, like money that 476 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: you get from illicit from the purposes illicit activities like 477 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 2: the wirefraud we were just talking about, So moving that 478 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 2: money around the campaign So suppose the campaign money or 479 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: moving any money around, maybe even the unemployment funds that 480 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: gets into money laundering stuff. Okay. Then there's also the 481 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: other part was this thing called false statements. And this 482 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: is you know, members of Congress have to file an 483 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: annual financial report disclosure statement, and he did that in 484 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty and in twenty twenty two. I think I'm 485 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 2: not sure. Oh sorry, you did that in twenty yeah, 486 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. I'm trying to see, which does that 487 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: make sense? Was he did he get into office. He 488 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 2: only got into office. 489 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: In twenty two, twenty twenty two. 490 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 2: So I'm wondering why. Maybe it's because he ran for office. 491 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 2: I was going to say, like, see, was he Yeah, 492 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 2: he did run before. But anyway, he made these false statements, right, 493 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: candidates had to, and so there were false statements about 494 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: his salary. He left some things out, he didn't accurate 495 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 2: portray some of this, and so so that's what that's 496 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: what's going on. I mean convicted. 497 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, no, tell me I can because that was 498 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: going to be my question. And then I wanted to say, yeah, 499 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: I mean convicted. What does this look like? 500 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know the way they added it up in 501 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: the press release, the d o J said if convicted, 502 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 2: he faces a maximum penalty of twenty years in prison 503 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: for the top counts. I'm not I mean, that's true, 504 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: but it could be for each of the some of 505 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 2: those top counts because but that's on paper, right, that's 506 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: not the same right lines, by the way, so that's 507 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: not but I mean just the fact and by the way, 508 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: twenty each. So this could add up to, you know, 509 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 2: hundreds of years, but it would never be that. I 510 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 2: would never give that but right, but I are five years, right, 511 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: is what I'm thinking. 512 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: The idea that one Kevin McCarthy says, oh, he's innocent 513 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: until proven guilty because he needs his vote, And then 514 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: I say, oh, innocent until proven guilty. So Donald Trump 515 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: was found liable of sexual abuse, but you're still supporting him. 516 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: So even that line of bullshit doesn't match up. And 517 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: you know what gets me jen about all of this 518 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: is that I think that the four Fathers, you know, 519 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: who are always looked at as being such geniuses in 520 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: creating this idea of democracy, this democratic project, and yet 521 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: you can have there is no law on the books 522 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: that says if you are indicted, if you are found guilty, 523 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: that you well your position. 524 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 2: They can you know, there is a process where the 525 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: House can expel a member. They can vote to do that. 526 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: They don't need both chambers. It's not like in peachment. 527 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 2: There can be a vote, and I think it's like 528 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: a I think it's a super majority of those present. 529 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: I think it's it might be two thirds of those present. 530 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 2: I'd have to look the expulsion thing up. They could 531 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 2: do that. In fact, there is a committee to investigate 532 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 2: things other than Hunter bidens La. 533 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it was the Ethics Committee, but now it's 534 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: like the Committee to weaponize government. 535 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 2: But be a good use of that committee. I mean 536 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: he has, you know, resigned from his committee shortly after 537 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: he was appointed to them in January. You know, they 538 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 2: really could have a hearing and they could expel him. 539 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 2: I know the Democrats would vote too. 540 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: Of course they would, but no Republicans would because it 541 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: would because once again, you. 542 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: Don't think, no, I think they might have a well, 543 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 2: who knows, I don't want it so well, of course 544 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 2: they will because they want every single vote they need 545 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 2: that he. 546 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: Has a five vote majority. You lose Santos, you run 547 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 1: a special election that Democrat wins in Nassau County, and 548 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: so now you have a four seat. 549 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like, and you know how 550 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: we allow there's not even one republic And I know 551 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 2: that because one Republican could could use the wedge of 552 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: trying to unseat McCarthy from his speaker seat if they 553 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: didn't like what he was doing with Santos, right, I mean. 554 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: People could speak out, people could speak out, but this 555 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 1: Republican party has shown themselves to be mute on anything 556 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: that has to do with you know, law order, morality, 557 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: decency values. 558 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 2: Even Duncan Hunter stepped down. He was the guy who 559 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 2: was he was skimming campaign funds for all kinds of things, 560 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: vacations for his alleged mistress to fly the bunny rabbit 561 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: in its own seat on the airplane, these things. And 562 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 2: he eventually he stayed for a while. I think after 563 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 2: the indictment. I can't remember when he I don't know. 564 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 2: Actually I'm not sure exactly between accusation and indictment and 565 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 2: his resignation, but at some point he did plead guilty. 566 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: But remember he never served his time because all Trump 567 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: pardoned him, I mean Santos, because people Santos is probably 568 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 2: waiting for his pardon, you know. 569 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, well we're going to ensure that in twenty twenty 570 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,479 Speaker 1: four he doesn't get one. Jen, thank you so much 571 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: for the breakdown here, and we will have to have 572 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: you back when Santos goes back to court on June thirtieth, 573 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: and see where we land there, because this is I mean, 574 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: everyone's going to watch this because at some point this 575 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: will be a movie, a documentary or something, because it's 576 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: just He. 577 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: Also won an Academy Award, you know, for his several appearances, 578 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 2: so I mean that Anna Pultzer, and he's also a 579 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 2: batball star. He's also landed on the moon, so he's 580 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: kind of incredible when you think about it. They should 581 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 2: like lay off the charges given his accomplishments amazing and 582 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,439 Speaker 2: the Nobel Piece prize. Jen Tobb, thank you so much 583 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 2: for making the time for wok F. We always appreciate you. 584 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 2: Thank you. 585 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: That is it for me today on Woke app. As always, 586 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 587 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck MHM.