WEBVTT - Gammy Comes to the Virtual Red Table (Emancipation Recap) 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.440 Before we get started, I did want to warn you 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:06.520 there are Emancipation spoilers ahead. So if you haven't watched 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:10.799 Emancipation yet, paulse this episode, watch Emancipation on Apple TV 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.760 and then don't forget to come back and hear the 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.800 insights Gammy had to share with us. Hey y'all, Hey, 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.079 what's up? And welcome to Let's Red Table that I'm 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.479 Tracy t wrote and I'm Cara Pressley, and boy, what 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:28.120 a truly special episode we have today. Tracy ay Man 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.080 Will Smith came to the table bringing all three of 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.000 his kids with him to talk about his new movie, 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.200 Emancipation that just came out on Apple TV. He really 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.920 dug deep for this role and this Red Table Talk exclusive. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:43.400 And now we get to bring a Red Table Talk 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.840 host who wasn't at the Red Table, so she has 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.560 to come to the virtual Red Table for the recap. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:54.960 Welcome the one and only gimme. Hey, guys, thank you 0:00:55.040 --> 0:01:00.120 for having me. Yeah, thank you so much for joining us. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:10.280 All right, well, let's jump into our favorite segments. It's 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:14.039 my favorite part of the show. Wait what okay? This 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.280 is the part of the show where we reveal which 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:21.319 moments made us pause rewind and listen again. So let's 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.120 get into it. Tracy want to kick it off. Absolutely. 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.120 Since the trailer dropped, we've been told that Emancipation is 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.760 not just another slave movie. And at the Red Table, 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.840 Will said when the first teaser came out, as people 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.280 were like, why another slave movie, and it's like, this 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.000 is not a slave movie, this is a freedom movie. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.680 I love that because it's so true. Did Emancipation feel 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:48.240 like a freedom movie to you, Gammy? Absolutely? Absolutely, it 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.000 felt like a freedom movie, and it felt like a 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.880 history lesson. I agree. You know, it was really important 0:01:54.920 --> 0:02:00.800 for us to see the struggle and remember the resilience 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.560 and power that we have as a community and a culture. 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.800 And that's what I want people to see in the movie. 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.160 I want them to see the power of faith that 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:14.680 was really strong in in that movie. It also helped 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:21.240 me understand how religion's so grounded in our culture. That 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.639 was the way we survived. But it was really depicted 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.919 so beautifully there, and it was almost hard to understand, 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.600 you know what I mean, because when you're struggling like 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:35.919 that and going through those kinds of wow, tumultuous times, 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.160 it's like that kind of brutality like, how can you 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.919 survive it? So that was really powerful for me. So 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:49.200 it was faith, freedom, resilience, black love, right, family, that's 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.080 the undercut for me. The backstory is the black love 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.519 because he did everything for his family. Yeah. Yeah, it 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.280 was the being fed up like we we all go through, 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.000 and of course we're not dealing with that level of 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:06.280 well stress. However, the moment he got fed up and 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.520 decided to retaliate, I definitely resonated with that because we 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.800 all said, what if I fought back? I did this, 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.280 I did that, and to see it for that time 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.840 was powerful. How do you feel about slave films being 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:22.480 made today? Not emancipation but just other slave films? Hey, listen, 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:27.080 I feel like it is really important, but I do 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:32.440 understand people's resistance to it. But it is part of 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.880 our history. No, it is not our entire history, but 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.160 it is the beginning an important part of our history 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.080 here in America. And we can't forget it. We cannot 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.200 because I'm telling you, and I think even Jaden said 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.680 it in the show, and I say it all the time. 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.880 Those who forget are doomed to repeat, repeat it. The 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:59.960 normalization of bigotry and racism in America. That is continue 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:05.160 wing today is dangerous and so for me it is 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:09.120 really important, not so much for people in my generation, 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.920 but for younger people because they think it's so far removed. 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:17.440 It is not. It is not, and we are living 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.919 and dealing with this today. Now I'm gonna say this, 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.200 and you all can cut it if you want, But 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:29.000 this past Saturday in New York City, there was a 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:35.080 gathering of white supremacists and white nationalists at a very 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:40.080 fancy gathering and dinner. They were there to support one 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:45.440 another and to strategize, right, okay, and that is dangerous 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:50.560 and dangerous. It is dangerous, and we can't forget that. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.679 So we have to remember who we are and take 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:58.240 these moments to help bring us together as a community, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.800 as a culture, as as a race, because if we don't, 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.160 we're not going to survive. And if we can ever 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.840 put all of that aside, all of our differences just 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:13.040 within our culture aside and come together as a community 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:17.320 and as a culture, the power that we have, baby man, 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:22.720 it's unstoppable. It's unstoppable, and we are missing it. We 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.480 are missing the importance. We are totally missing. And young people, 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.440 let me tell you, they're worried about the wrong ship, 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.839 say it again, worried about the wrong style. It is 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.080 the truth. I had a conversation earlier about this, and 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.159 I think that's why emancipation is right on time, because 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.799 there's so many people who are so far removed either 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:49.240 by time in generation, but also not being exposed to 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.520 it in proximity that they put themselves in a suburban environment, 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:55.720 they don't have to deal with any of the things. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.480 They're not quote unquote seen as people of color, are 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.960 black people, so they don't feel the true pressures that 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.560 are out in society until they get fully exposed, and 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.320 then they're literally blindsided by it and don't know how 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:11.440 to handle it. So this was a phenomenal for everyone. 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.880 And listen, it was important for the Smith family to 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:19.680 see it, m okay, because they're removed. Yes, they're removed, 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:25.080 and they have individually had their experiences though, but it's important. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.520 It is just important because sometimes you get caught up 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:34.760 in your everyday life and if you are not subjected 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.360 to it, you kind of forget what's going on for 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.680 the average person. You are so right, and if you're 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.000 growing up black in America or if you're living black 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:50.159 in America. You are suffering from PTSD, yes and period. Yes, 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:56.440 that's a fact, no cap Yeah, yeah, So I think 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.640 it's important. I think that it's important that these stories 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.280 continue to be told. And yes, we have so many 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.440 more stories that need to be told. But trust me 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.920 and believe that there were students in that room that 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:14.480 are creatives, that are future filmmakers, that are future writers 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:19.520 and directors and cinematographers, and they need to see that 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:25.720 and then be inspired to create other stories. The stories 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.320 that we have to tell. We have to tell our 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:33.440 own stories, but we also have to teach our own history. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.120 We're sitting around waiting for somebody else to teach us 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:42.160 our history. No, that's our job. It's our responsibility. In 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.960 your own family, yeah, you have to responsibility for what 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.080 your children are exposed to. You can't expect them to 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:50.760 get it. You ain't in around for them to get 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.360 in school. You'll be waiting a long damn time. You 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.320 will just have you'll die before you get to exactly. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.240 Absolutely listen, when we'll explain how he feel on his 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.800 character that was empowering, I'm gonna say number one because 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.920 he chose to dig deep. It won't be too much 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:10.960 work to find this character putting the chains on. As 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.480 an actor, you're always trying to find the thing that 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:18.200 makes you understand the character. When those chains went on, 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.800 can you imagine even wearing those? And then the additional 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.840 chains he shared at the table. The part that stuck 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.920 out the most was when he said, who even imagines this? 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.720 You know? So that's why when white culture is like, oh, 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.160 let's just forget about it. Let's not forget about it. 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.560 Let's talk about how you even thought about it? So, yeah, 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.400 exactly what is that experience? Like, what do you think 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:44.480 about those chains? Oh? Man? You know it was. It 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.640 was so emotional. It was so emotional and hard to 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.880 sit there and watch the movie. And I think what 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.320 a young lady in the audience that had a question 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.520 for Will also talked about the fact that it's one 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.640 thing to read it, yes, but then you see it 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.360 kind of come to life, and that's just I mean, 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:09.120 And that was lightweight, right, light that was lightweight to 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:13.960 what we know really what's going on? Right, that's right? 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:20.280 I had no words. It's that heartbreaking. Yeah, when Will 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:24.040 said they lost the key for a minute, so they 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.320 put it on and doing so I'm standing there and 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.199 then he goes to take it off and it doesn't work, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:36.440 so it's locked on and my heart jumps and I'm like, 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:40.680 oh no, oh no, oh no. So I'm sitting there 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.680 now he's running around looking for the keys, and for 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.400 fifteen minutes, I'm stuck there in the chain and my 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:53.080 heart is pounding, and I'm like, will do not freak right? 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:57.040 And I'm sitting there and then it's like I got it. 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:02.000 It's like I'm Will Smith with Pete both running around 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:06.280 looking for Keen and my heart is still pounding and 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.400 I'm still scared. Imagine what it was like for Peter 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:15.120 to have that stuff on. Oh my gosh. I felt 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:20.680 that anxiety and that claustrophobia anxiousness with him, even his 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:24.120 piece when he said he felt embarrassed, I feel as 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.320 though he felt embarrassed to maybe even react like you, 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.480 because they want you to be subdued right in these 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.200 chains and night have any emotion that's baffling to me. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.640 I hope that people really watch this episode of Red Table, 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:40.160 because it's important for people to understand what goes into 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:44.280 making a film like that and how deep you have 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:50.160 to go to just to try to get close to authenticity, yes, 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:55.280 and so yeah, just close to authenticity. When Ben Farster 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.800 was talking and Will was talking about the fact that 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.600 he never spoke to him, how could it be that 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:05.160 they could work and do scenes like that to the 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:09.440 level that they did it and then be laughing and 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:18.760 joking at this word. It wouldn't work. It wouldn't have worked. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.400 I think that it made it even more effective and 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:27.600 believable that Ben Foster took the approach he did because 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:32.760 he stayed so deep into his character. And if that 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.360 is the antithesis of who you really are, I imagine 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.680 that you have to have some constant reminder of the 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.959 brutality of the hatred that feeds that type of character 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.200 as an antagonist. And so the wait what for me? 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.720 When he talked about hen who played that antagonist and 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.640 he was the antagonist of all antagonists and emancipation not 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:59.320 knowing Will until the final shot was complete, that was powerful. 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.560 I'm doing my you know thing, and the extras, Hey, 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.040 thank you all very much, everybody, blah blah blah. In 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:11.280 my mind, I was giving my best Will Smith, and 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:15.880 Ben just walked past me and didn't say nothing. I 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.960 was like, Oh, he must he must not have seen me, 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:28.199 and then for six months, he didn't speak to me, 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.960 he didn't make eye contact with me, he didn't say 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:39.760 a word, he didn't acknowledge me for six months. Okay, 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.280 even though it was for the film, seems like this 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:47.040 added to how emotionally draining this production would have been 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:51.840 for Will. I cannot imagine tapping out of the day, 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:53.480 and like he said, he was reaching back trying to 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:57.559 find himself and couldn't always make that connection. How does 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.680 hearing some of those behind the scenes stories affect how 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.000 you viewed the film as a whole gaming Oh, because 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.920 there were times when they had to break from film 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.839 because of weather and stuff like that. I knew what 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.880 was going on, and I had those conversations with him 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.880 during those break periods, and all I could do was 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.679 just sit and listen. That's all I could do, was 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.480 just sit and listen, because I just couldn't imagine. I 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.880 just couldn't imagine putting myself in those circumstances and going 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:30.040 back there. Like you said, the brutality and violence and 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:35.559 dehumanization that was experienced during the times, it's just unimaginable. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.240 It's just like right now, just us thinking about what 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:44.440 we saw what our own people experience because their stories 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.720 that are like Peters throughout all of our family histories 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.400 are lineage exactly. That's the hardest part about it. And 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.080 you can forget about it if we want to, but 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.520 it's still there. It's still there, critical race theory, teaching 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:02.240 or not exactly. Listen, we're gonna take a quick break 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.200 because it's just getting juicy, so listen. But when we 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.800 get back, we're gonna ask him all the questions we've 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:16.559 been saving up this season. So stay tuned. We're back, 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:20.160 and let's just talk about what we all overall felt 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.240 and what we thought of emancipation. Was there a scene 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.800 or a moment of emancipation that really stood out to 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.360 you guys? Oh my god, pick one, right, I can 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.200 kick it off. I'm gonna kick it off. One of 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.240 the things that stood out for me, of course, was 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:37.680 just the overall color of the movie. The cinematography was 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:42.840 amazing and eliminating. That color really helped me focused on 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.720 the story more so. I was appreciative of that, because 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.000 who knew I needed that. I have so many dudes, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.560 I have three that are my top three. Okay, do 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.960 you know what, let me say this. I have felt 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.520 like you have been my voice this entire season, because 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.960 almost everything you've said this season, I'll be like, yeah, 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.080 I agree, gam I gave Side I to the person 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.080 forever Side I, just like damn gave you. So you 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.600 forget it. So go ahead and say three game because 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:16.840 I think we'll probably align with this too. Probably. So 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:21.560 one of the ones was because I saw the film 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.640 before it was totally complete, and then I went to 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.040 the premier and saw it and this scene was not 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.480 in there, and so it shocked me. And that when 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:36.280 was when Dodienne put her hand into the cotton gin 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:41.600 to maim herself. That through me the extent that black 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.600 women have to go through and the suffering, like she 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.080 maimed herself to save her family because she was gonna 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.640 get sold away, right to stay. So it was that. 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:56.600 The second one was when the little girl cried runner 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.160 runner mm hmm, I said, who knew? This is when 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:07.920 Karen's were born. That is taught, Hate is taught. And 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:12.560 then Ben Foster's scene again proof that hate is taught, 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.080 when they were at the campfire and he was talking 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.320 about the woman that cared for him. But the important 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.520 thing was his statement of if you give them a crumb, 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:27.200 they'll take the world. There are people that still believe 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:34.560 that to this day to day. The thing, that's the thing. Yeah, 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.000 that's the scary part. We're on the same scene now, 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:39.960 you know, I didn't know about the hand, but now 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:44.680 the campfire scene was one of my favorites because it 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.400 showed how Ben Foster's character was this loving and he 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.200 knew he was being taken care of, he was being 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.720 nurtured by this person. And he's like, it's something so 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.440 simple as let's just share a meal together, and the 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.000 dad was like, and then what no compassion at all? 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.400 And then even though she's raising you, the lack of 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.960 there's a detachment. It was just hard because at that moment, 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.280 that was his breaking that was his breaking point, that 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.679 was the turning point for him and the point of 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:17.640 no return right at a younger and watched her die 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.600 for three days three days, so that means you went 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.600 to check. Like a part of him was like, well 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.360 let me well, okay, that makes it worse. That makes 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.719 it worse. And I can tell you that while at 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.400 the campfire. Of course, now y'all know there's always gonna 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.000 be one who's got the same scan but not can. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.199 That's another part in that whole same scene that made 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.000 me sick because I was not looking at you. The 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.040 other slave just said that you two were slaves together 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.359 and now here you are helping him. Okay, that's a 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.919 whole We can have a whole another weight conversation that too. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.199 But that was his means of survival. That was his 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.680 means of survival, as ugly as it is and as 0:17:55.720 --> 0:18:00.200 as difficult, but he's just trying to get through. You had, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:04.119 Gammy that watching emancipation was emotional for you. Were you 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.600 surprised at all by your reactions to it? No, No, 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:12.679 you knew I lived through the Civil Rights and so no, 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.680 I was not surprised at how I felt. I feel 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.720 the same way whenever I see one, no matter whether 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.639 it's well done or poorly done, I understand the intent. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.240 What do you think it means as a black woman 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.760 in America? Well, I have to go back to that 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:33.040 scene with Dodien. But I also think about the statement 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.960 that Trevor Noah made recently, is that black women can't 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.919 afford to sit around and find out right and that 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:46.720 and that really resonated when Dodiene maimed herself but I 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:51.160 also think about that Malcolm X quote from all those 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:56.240 years ago, the black woman is the most disrespected, disrespect 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:00.159 the most unprotected, the most neglected. So all of that 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.479 kind of comes into my head when I'm watching the film. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.840 But once again, for me, the most important thing for 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.600 us to remember is that this is part of our history, 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.960 and I wanted to be used as a way to 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.760 bring us together and not separate us. Now, how do 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:24.600 you think that? How does that happen conversations like this? Yeah, 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:28.040 I think it's conversations. I think it's education. I think 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.920 we have to educate ourselves and try to regain some 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.679 pride in who we are and what we bring to 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:40.359 the table and who we can be. It starts at home, 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.639 that part. It starts at home. That's big. And you 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:49.400 even saw it through Peter, through Will's character, because there 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:53.000 were several instances where he remained true to him through 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.360 his kindness, and the movie opens up with him choosing 0:19:56.400 --> 0:20:00.520 to help someone working right alongside him, so he was 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.720 able to stay himself Peter anyway throughout his character. We 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.520 got to ask this because people are talking, what did 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.920 you think of Will's accent? Did you get to hear 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:13.760 him practice it beforehand, because you know he's immersed in 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.200 these roles. I didn't. I did not get to hear 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.920 him practice his accent, and mind you, I didn't know 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:25.400 what he should sound like. I'm not familiar with that accent. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:31.040 But my father was from Barbados, my mother was from Jamaica, 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:34.119 and I cannot do a West Indian accent if you 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:40.080 pay me right. And my nephew speaks Patois to me 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.439 all the time just to make me laugh because he 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.800 knows I love to hear him speak that way, but 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:49.800 I can't do it. Accents and dialects are difficult and challenging. 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.840 So if he didn't get it exactly like, Okay, he 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:57.080 tried and he did his best, that is a minor situation. 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.720 It is you know what I mean that, Gammy. I'm 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.000 gonna just back you up here, because for all of 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.600 the films that I have watched and people have butchered 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:11.720 the southern accent, I'm gonna give will a pass. Are 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.920 very very difficult, Like come on, and here's the other 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.240 part of it. If you don't know where he's supposed 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.679 to be from, then you don't have any familiarity with 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.119 what he's supposed to sound. There's that. I loved it. Listen. 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:28.919 He couldn't do any wrong. The execution was there was 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:34.080 so much more other things to focus on. Whether his 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:39.919 accent was quite right? Please understood? Yeah, I want to 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:54.520 hear somebody say, y'all executed. Listen. We do want to 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:56.600 ask you if you red Table Talk questions that he 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:03.040 building from the past five seasons Jesus from the past 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.919 five seasons of Red Table Talk. So to start. This 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:07.320 is a good one though, because this is one of 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.760 my favorite episodes is the very first episode of Red 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.680 Table Talk. It discusses all things motherhood. Okay, so from 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:18.520 blended families to how your mother daughter relationships have evolved. 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.280 You touched on a few of your own specific struggles 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:24.120 and impactful moments with each other. Then it came full 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.960 circle with the mother Hunger episode this season. That was 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:31.600 an amazing, amazing episode. What have been the most impactful 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:36.200 discoveries that you've made on this Red Table Talk journey 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:41.040 of introspection. It's interesting because I had someone asked me 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:45.400 this question recently of how is it that I can 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:52.879 just gracefully sit and listen when Jada is talking about 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:56.879 her journey and her childhood and how she felt neglected 0:22:56.920 --> 0:23:01.000 and uncared for and unprotected, and that I just I 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.960 sit and listen to it and receive it. The only 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.080 thing that I can say about that is that it 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:10.600 is part of the healing process. To try to defend 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.679 yourself against something like that is almost negating what the 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:19.239 other person has experienced. That was her experience, and so 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.960 me being able to listen to that, here that and 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:28.520 accept it as her truth is important for me to 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:32.120 understand the damage that I did, how I did it, 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.560 so that I don't repeat the same mistakes. So it's 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:39.280 part of our healing journey. And when I can sit 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:43.040 and have compassion and grace for her, then I can 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:45.840 have it for myself. Now, Jada would tell you that 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:48.199 it's the other way around, that I have to have 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:52.360 compassion for myself in order to have compassion for others. 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.640 I just don't see it that way. I think that 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:59.879 my ability to have compassion for other people than allow 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:03.679 me to have compassion for myself, because I don't know 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:07.120 if there's anyone who's harder on themselves than I am, 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:09.479 and I still am to this day. I still carry 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.680 people think that I am totally completely relieved of guilt 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.920 from the damage that I've done. Absolutely not. I don't 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:19.679 know that I ever will be, but I've learned to 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:24.639 grow from it. Jada has taught me that all experiences, 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:28.840 good and bad, help create and make you the person 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:32.920 that you are. Absolutely but trust me, if I could 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:35.520 have done it, I wish I could have done it differently. 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.000 There is no parent on the face of the earth 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.240 that doesn't say that, no matter what, they had to 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:45.520 overcome me. I mean, that's a fact. So I appreciate 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:49.560 you being in the position, though, to take those experiences 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:52.280 and learn from them and grow a lot of that 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:56.320 also is just how I was raised, was how I 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.879 raised Jada. Even though my mother obviously did not suffer 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:03.639 from any form of addiction, there was still a way 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.239 that she had with us. How she cared for us 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:12.600 and handled us was not the tender, loving way that 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:16.679 Jada mothered her children. You give as much as you 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.920 can give, and that circumstance, You know what I mean 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:21.800 When you look back as a mother and not me, 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:23.480 I'm a mother of a twenty year old boys, he 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:25.280 taught me some things. When you look back and you 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.440 just recognize I did do my best and then we 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.480 just continue to evolve. That helps the process because, like 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:34.480 you said again, we all absolutely beating ourselves up or 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:36.879 wishing and shooting, and could we have done all of 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:47.639 us When you welcome Olivia Ja Gia Nali to the table, 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.000