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Speaker 1: Week two of the NFL Report is here. I'm see

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Speaker 1: White and my guy James Palmer rocking the terra cotta

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Speaker 1: right there as he is back in Denver after a

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Speaker 1: long flight back from.

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati this week.

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Speaker 1: Jpe, we got a lot going on because you're usually

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Speaker 1: Week two is a.

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Speaker 2: Much more truth teller than week one.

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Speaker 1: Right, we can kind of read the tea leaves, and

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Speaker 1: I think we can see what some teams like Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: and Miami might be. He's like, Dallas, do we really

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Speaker 1: know they're too?

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Speaker 2: Well know how good they are? Wet? Still a ton

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Speaker 2: of unanswered questions?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, see, how about this if we're telling the truth.

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Speaker 3: What's your take on Skyline Chili in Cincinnati?

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Speaker 2: Skyline Chili is good.

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Speaker 1: I'm also but I'm probably a bigger gold Star fan myself.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to insult anybody in our audience.

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Speaker 1: You know that there's there's a lot of touchy feelings

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Speaker 1: about that. Do you like chili on spaghetti?

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Speaker 2: JP?

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Speaker 3: No, I skip halftime meal in the press box when

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Speaker 3: I'm there at Peay Course Stadium. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: A double up pregame pre game was good. I double

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Speaker 3: up pre game, get a little something extra. There was

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Speaker 3: sticky buns up there this time, even though I told

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Speaker 3: that's a Philly thing when you say sticky buns too often,

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Speaker 3: cinnamon roll, whatever you want to call it. I call

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Speaker 3: them all sticky buttons. But I had an extra one

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Speaker 3: of those, so I wouldn't do the skyline stuff at halftime,

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest.

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Speaker 1: And and everybody watching and listening, they're like, oh, these

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Speaker 1: sports writers, they get fed. They don't I don't want

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Speaker 1: to hear them complain about anything. Well, you know that's

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Speaker 1: part of the issue. I'm sure you want to complain

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Speaker 1: about the fact that we also get to watch football

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Speaker 1: for a living.

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Speaker 2: Shame me.

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Speaker 1: We saw a fantastic display of what this Ravens offense

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Speaker 1: could look like when they went and they beat Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this was a huge game.

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Speaker 1: You heard John Harbaugh talk about it's a big game,

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Speaker 1: players talking about how how sweet it.

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Speaker 2: Was to send the Bengals to an zero and two start.

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Speaker 1: You were there, and you were texting me during the game, like, man,

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Speaker 1: Lamar looks really good.

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Speaker 2: This offense is serious stuff. Tell us a little bit

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Speaker 2: about what you.

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Speaker 3: Saw, man, Yeah, pregame, Steve and I think I was

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Speaker 3: on with you pregame. Also, when I was talking to

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Speaker 3: that commend members of the coaching staff and they're like, listen,

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Speaker 3: Lamar is not comfortable in this offense. Shed We're not

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Speaker 3: sure how long it's gonna take. We're gonna see how

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Speaker 3: the process goes. But obviously this is very different. He

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Speaker 3: Zay Flowers, the rookie wide receiver, he was like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: that was the plan for Lamar not to run. The

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Speaker 3: plan was for him to sit back there, get comfortable, Steve,

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Speaker 3: feel it. And what did we see in week two?

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Speaker 3: We saw him go out there and have an extremely

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Speaker 3: that we have these receivers on the outside, life's easier

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Speaker 3: a fifty two yard reception by Jay Flowers to go deep.

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson was accurate. He was comfortable. If they're wondering

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Speaker 3: They just kept the Bengals off the field. Lamar ran

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting about that is they were down two

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this was this was we were wondering

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Speaker 2: JP were like, well, Lamar.

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Speaker 1: Is gonna be on his horse all day because these

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Speaker 1: He was on his horse on scalded runs and because

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Speaker 1: know left tackle Ronnie Stanley has had injury issues to

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Speaker 3: That's the thing, And there's already such a it looks

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Speaker 3: He can play the X, he can play the Y.

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Speaker 3: He can be a different member of a trips group,

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Speaker 3: what they're impressed with Steve is how strong he is

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Speaker 4: Well, when when your quarterback missus camp, it's it's tough

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Speaker 4: ideal situation. Yeah, I'm still confident. I feel really confident

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Speaker 3: Steve. This is a team that we were not very

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Speaker 3: concerned with starting oh to one. Now they're zero in two,

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Speaker 3: which is what they did, I believe last year. So

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean JP.

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Speaker 1: Normally i'd be like, you know, they're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 1: This seems a little different. There's a feel to it.

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Speaker 2: And you were there, not me, but in pregame again,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Ciliano and me, and you said, I have been

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Speaker 1: watching him warm up and he doesn't look right.

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Speaker 2: That calf did not look right. You saw that pregame.

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Speaker 1: Then he aggravates it during the game, and then we're

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Speaker 2: This seems like it might be something that could linger.

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Speaker 2: And so you say to yourself, well, will they shut

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Speaker 1: You know, because Burrell said, we have to figure wait

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Speaker 2: That's not Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is usually not that open about how he

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Speaker 1: Lot of athletes like that talk about that they know something,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, say it again, Steve Row. There we go. Listen.

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Speaker 3: This was a dejected locker room. There was definitely a

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Speaker 3: they're Row and two. When I had side conversations with players,

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Speaker 3: one of the best quarterbacks and players in football, that

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Speaker 3: this offense can still be one of the best offenses

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Speaker 3: in football. We've just seen too much success out of

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Speaker 3: this group, right, That's not their concern. Their concern in

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Speaker 3: these conversations I was having in the locker room were man,

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Speaker 3: I hope this doesn't linger like I feel like that

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Speaker 3: barely had the ball. They had the ball for eighteen

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Speaker 3: stringing together some drives. They really did, and then this happened.

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Speaker 3: So that's where really, to me, the major concern is

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Speaker 3: everybody says Joe Burrow is the next peg down, and

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Speaker 3: I believe they say Steve from Patrick Mahones, who on

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Speaker 3: his birthday goes out and gets his sixty fifth career

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Speaker 3: win over the Jags, a game that I thought was

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Speaker 3: going to be a shootout and it was just the opposite.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's in part JP because this Kansas City

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Speaker 1: Chiefs defense, which typically slow plays it's development into being

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Speaker 2: Well he did. He did. And once again, to go.

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Speaker 3: This a new deal for Patrick Mahomes. In the restructured deal,

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Speaker 3: Listen to this. Steve Mahomes has now received over two

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Speaker 3: But I mean this, and this is this is how

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Speaker 3: We've talked about how this team has looked to build

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Speaker 1: Well, and let's let's also not let people forget Wow,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is getting all this money, this and that

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Speaker 2: Fifty million dollars deal was minimal. Isn't a lot.

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Speaker 1: I want to say it was around sixty million. Now

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Speaker 1: all of that good stuff right there, all right, JP

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say this, they were just waiting for Joe

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Speaker 3: James Palmer, Steve White, John by Jeff Chadea.

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Speaker 5: Who.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how close, Jeff, you lived to Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 2: Come on, yeah up to see where he's You're adjacent.

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Speaker 2: You're adjacent, right.

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Speaker 3: Not the right right word to use.

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Speaker 6: I'm more like he's up here and I'm way down

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Speaker 1: And yeah, real quick, explain that because people who may

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Speaker 6: But it does, it does, and really, and they've been

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Speaker 6: They feel like having him at a number that's manageable

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Speaker 3: You know, those those are two of the best guys

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Speaker 3: And you've got to pay some of those guys if

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Speaker 2: You gotta do something.

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Speaker 6: mess right now, and I think you have to do

440
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Speaker 6: all this work to beat the Cardinals. You've got some problems,

441
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Speaker 6: and I'm a big fan of Brian Dable, and you

442
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 6: can say that they did a great job of coming

443
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Speaker 6: back in this game, but I also feel like they

444
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Speaker 6: got away with a lot of stuff last year, got

445
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Speaker 6: some things that break their weight. They're not doing it

446
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Speaker 6: to happen now, and I just feel this is more

447
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Speaker 6: of a team that's going to end up being around

448
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Speaker 6: six seven wins than a real playoff contender.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeff, you just said something that has been talked

450
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Speaker 1: about kind of behind the scenes for a while, and

451
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Speaker 1: so I mean, even speaking with folks of the Giants.

452
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Speaker 1: They'll tell you last year they won, but they did

453
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Speaker 1: it with smoking mirrors and some optical illusions because they

454
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Speaker 1: were not a fast team, right They did not have

455
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Speaker 1: a ton of speed, and they had to upgrade their

456
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Speaker 1: speed to be able to compete. And I don't know

457
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Speaker 1: if they necessarily did that by adding Darren Waller and

458
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Speaker 1: this and that. They've got to be tougher and better

459
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Speaker 1: at some of the positions of the coaching job Brian

460
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Speaker 1: dave Ball did last year was worthy of him winning

461
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Speaker 1: the Coach of the Year honors. But Jay, you know again,

462
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Speaker 1: you look at this team. They play Thursday night against

463
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Speaker 1: the Niners. Saquon we don't know if he's gonna be

464
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Speaker 1: able to go because of that ankle.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm with Jeff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't know what to make of

467
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Speaker 1: this team right now because we still don't know what

468
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Speaker 1: their identity is and I don't know if anybody still

469
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Speaker 1: is really sold on Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 3: Well, part of that identity seed was gonna be you

471
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Speaker 3: bring in Darren Waller to be really probably your number

472
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Speaker 3: one target, and you don't know how his season's gonna

473
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Speaker 3: go with the hamstring right now, and how that's gonna

474
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Speaker 3: move forward, especially with some of the offensive line issues

475
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Speaker 3: that they have, and what we saw on the second half, Yes,

476
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Speaker 3: that was the most yards, by the way, Daniel Jones

477
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Speaker 3: has ever thrown four and a half. I think it

478
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Speaker 3: was two hundred and fifty nine, most he's ever done

479
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Speaker 3: in a half. But it was essentially him and Saquon.

480
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Speaker 3: I'd like that they got Jalen Hyatt kind of like

481
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Speaker 3: into the mix of sense, maybe you can find ways

482
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Speaker 3: to stretch the field a little bit, Jeff, because you're

483
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Speaker 3: gonna need to do that if that's your offense. Essentially

484
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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley trying to somehow half run it,

485
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Speaker 3: half throw it as a because there are definitely some concerns,

486
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Speaker 3: but I do agree that once again, what I saw

487
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Speaker 3: was a locker room that kind of believes, and that

488
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Speaker 3: was a definite defining moment. When you get embarrassed in

489
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Speaker 3: Week one and then you're going, well, we have the

490
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Speaker 3: Cardinals and then you're getting embarrassed when you walk into halftime,

491
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Speaker 3: that might be a defining moment to where this season

492
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Speaker 3: somewhat salvage. But I think their margin for error, Jeff,

493
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Speaker 3: is really really thin. If they think they're a playoff.

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Speaker 6: Team, Yeah, certainly. And look the money that Daniel Jones

495
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Speaker 6: got paid this offseason. Sometimes when you pay a guy

496
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Speaker 6: that usually usually when you pay a guy that kind

497
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Speaker 6: of money, you want to turn him into somebody who

498
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Speaker 6: can justify that kind of payment. I agree that this

499
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Speaker 6: was a big moment for him and this team, But again,

500
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Speaker 6: if you have to be down twenty to nothing in

501
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Speaker 6: every game you play against bad teams to find yourself,

502
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Speaker 6: I just don't think that's a great place to be

503
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Speaker 6: and discover your identity. They did a great to have

504
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Speaker 6: a coaching this team up last year, but weapons wise,

505
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Speaker 6: they're still lacking in a lot of ways. And by

506
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Speaker 6: the way, no one really talks about this, but came on,

507
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Speaker 6: Tipada's gonna start doing something it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he doesn't. You're right, You're right, Yeah, you're right.

509
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's got he's got to start making it.

510
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Speaker 2: And here's the other part.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about the Giants and them rallying,

512
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Speaker 1: they're still probably, uh probably they are the worst team in.

513
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Speaker 2: The NFC East because the Washington.

514
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Speaker 1: Commanders folks are two and oh the team we thought

515
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Speaker 1: that was gonna be busterrific is two Sam right now,

516
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Speaker 1: and because they had a big time comeback against the

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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. Jeff, We're gonna talk about the Broncos a

518
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Speaker 1: little bit later on, and some great stuff you wrote

519
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Speaker 1: in your column at NFL dot com slash Jadia. But

520
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Speaker 1: what about the Commanders right now and the fact that

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Speaker 1: Sam Howell, who you wrote about, looks like a real dude.

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Speaker 6: The biggest surprise of the week for me. And I

523
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 6: was certainly a doubter and Sam Howell did not see

524
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Speaker 6: him being a prime time player. But you know, I

525
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Speaker 6: watched a little bit in the preseason game when they

526
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Speaker 6: played against Baltimore, and he showed some of that savvy

527
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Speaker 6: and that and kind of that cavalier style of play.

528
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Speaker 6: But to do it in week two, when you're on

529
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Speaker 6: the road and you're down and you have to forget

530
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Speaker 6: a lot of bass that's happened and still deliver big

531
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Speaker 6: plays for you. I was mesmerized by what he did,

532
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Speaker 6: and not just the throws, but leading the offense, keeping

533
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Speaker 6: things together. I feel like he and Eric Bienemy right now,

534
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Speaker 6: this tandem is it's almost like Dangiel Jones and Brian

535
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Speaker 6: Dabole last year. Like they are surprising people with the

536
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Speaker 6: way the enemy's coaching him and the way Howell's responding.

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Speaker 3: I love that you brought up eb I mean, I'm

538
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Speaker 3: not gonna say that the Chiefs are struggling offensively because

539
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Speaker 3: Eric Vienemy is not in the building, but I'll say

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Speaker 3: that the Washington Commanders as an offense that definitely have

541
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Speaker 3: some weapons. I talked to Patrick Sardan in the locker

542
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Speaker 3: room last Wednesday before this game, and he was like,

543
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Speaker 3: Terry mccluurin is the most underrated receiver in the NFL.

544
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Speaker 3: That's in Pat's mind. He's like, I don't understand why

545
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Speaker 3: he doesn't get attention. He can do everything. But he

546
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Speaker 3: also told me Johan Dotson is an up and coming

547
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Speaker 3: star in his eyes. That's one of the best cornerbacks,

548
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Speaker 3: maybe arguably the best cornerback in Football's opinion of these

549
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Speaker 3: wide receiver duo, let's let's just remember this Steve before

550
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Speaker 3: we get to break they had, they were down eighteen

551
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Speaker 3: on the road, Sam Howse first ever WROT start in

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Speaker 3: the NFL, and then they really go on a thirty

553
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Speaker 3: two to three run in a stretch in the middle

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Speaker 3: of this game. That is just ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who the hell would have thought that Eric

556
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Speaker 1: b Enemy might be able to coach up a quarterback. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: We're going to see you a little bit later in

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Speaker 1: the show as we get ready, as we move on

559
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Speaker 1: to the next block, Chef A Baker, We've got Jordan

560
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Speaker 1: Love and a new dog in Atlanta, the Beijon Freeze

561
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Speaker 1: here on the NFL.

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Speaker 7: Report does just can you just talk about how that

563
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Speaker 7: game was?

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Speaker 3: It was so crazy.

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Speaker 7: You guys looked like you were, you know, kind of

566
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Speaker 7: down for the count, and then you come back and

567
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Speaker 7: you just kind of take us through never done.

568
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Speaker 8: When you see the nflcons out there, will never be

569
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Speaker 8: down for the count. We're gonna fight until that clock,

570
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 8: kids zero. So you know that's what I'm proud of

571
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Speaker 8: this team and everyone on this team for not giving up,

572
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Speaker 8: not you know, and just keep going out there and

573
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Speaker 8: just fighting so that clock kids zero.

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Speaker 1: I thought Stockings quarterback Desmond Ritter is now James and

575
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Speaker 1: I are joined by Sarah, And I gotta tell you, like,

576
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Speaker 1: if you're if you're a teammate of Desmond Ridder and

577
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Speaker 1: you see that, you're like, that's my quarterback, especially after

578
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Speaker 1: the way he just played. I mean, they made some

579
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Speaker 1: fourth down conversions. He made some really gritty like run

580
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Speaker 1: type place and big throws to Mac Collins and Drake

581
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Speaker 1: London down there as they come back from twelve down,

582
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Speaker 1: Sarah to beat the Packers and to move to two

583
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Speaker 1: and zero atop the NFC South. And you were telling

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Speaker 1: me earlier that you know, you had a conversation with

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Speaker 1: the team owner just by a chance, by the way, about.

586
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Speaker 2: The optimism first circles. Does Sarah run in like just

587
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Speaker 2: hunting this Sarah gets down?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, guys, I just you know, I didn't make it

589
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Speaker 9: to the owners meetings, the fancy owners meetings that you

590
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Speaker 9: get to go to. So I was just playing around. No,

591
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Speaker 9: I was actually in Atlanta. I was at Mercedes Benz

592
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Speaker 9: Stadium on Saturday for a different kind of football, soccer

593
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Speaker 9: related because Arthur Blank, as you know, owns Atlanta United

594
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Speaker 9: as well, and so he has just given the US

595
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Speaker 9: Soccer Federation a fifty million dollar check. They're going to

596
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Speaker 9: break ground and have US Soccer's training facility in Atlanta.

597
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 9: I also cover soccer. Again, everything, as you know in

598
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 9: life is a very very small world. So I was

599
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Speaker 9: up there. I was at their stadium on Saturday, with

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Speaker 9: Arthur Blank and obviously the season is very young, there's

601
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Speaker 9: a lot of optimism. And I was actually standing out

602
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Speaker 9: on the field, which was the soccer pitch at that time,

603
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Speaker 9: because they were about to play a game after this.

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Speaker 3: Press conference, no message, no.

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Speaker 9: There were people yelling at me, and I was like,

606
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Speaker 9: you guys, don't think I wanted Messi to be here.

607
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Speaker 9: I was doing this. I was doing an unrelated press

608
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Speaker 9: conference announcement, and then Messi was supposed to be playing

609
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Speaker 9: thirty minutes later. So I was staying I was all

610
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Speaker 9: in on this thing, and like fans are yelling at me,

611
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 9: I'm like, yo, I want him out on the field

612
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Speaker 9: just as much as you do. I actually don't know

613
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Speaker 9: if Arthur Blink wanted him on the field because it

614
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 9: was better for his Atlanta United anyway. But they're so

615
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Speaker 9: excited and this is it. It was crazy because we're

616
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Speaker 9: standing out on this field and I was talking to

617
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Speaker 9: a team in play and I'm like, it's insane to

618
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 9: think that since this stadium was built, there's been a

619
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Speaker 9: Super Bowl there and there has not been a The

620
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 9: Falcons have not hosted a playoff game in that stadium,

621
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Speaker 9: which feels like it's been around for a while now,

622
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Speaker 9: so to think that you erected this beautiful stadium at

623
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Speaker 9: host Super Bowls, Peach Bowls, all these exciting games, like

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Speaker 9: they are clamoring for a playoff game to be in

625
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 9: Atlanta in that stadium, and it hasn't happened yet. And

626
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 9: you know, I saw the Falcons last year too, and

627
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 9: they were knocking on the door, as you could say

628
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 9: about every single team in that division, right because they

629
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 9: were all separated by one game with the box and

630
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Speaker 9: then everyone else's tied, so it could have gone either way.

631
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Speaker 9: But look, they've shored up that defense. They need Desmond

632
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 9: Rudder to not make mistakes. He needs to make the

633
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 9: plays when he needs to make them, and we saw

634
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Speaker 9: him do that in a really gritty, gritty win. I

635
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Speaker 9: think to the sense about Arthur Smith is, you know,

636
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Speaker 9: this hasn't been like the most when you look at

637
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 9: wins and losses. Hasn't been the best start right of

638
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 9: anyone's coaching career when you come in and like you

639
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 9: want to go right away, right to the postseason, and

640
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 9: that hasn't happened for him. But anyone you talked about

641
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 9: Arthur Smith, there's just so much respect for him around

642
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 9: the league and how smart he is, and there's always

643
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Speaker 9: just been this sense like they are going to get

644
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 9: it on track, and it sort of felt like they

645
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 9: were really putting the pieces in place this offseason and

646
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 9: you're starting to see this. I mean, look, he's doubled

647
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 9: down on Desmond rd Or this offseason when they could

648
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Speaker 9: have looked elsewhere, and he was like, Nope, this is

649
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Speaker 9: our guy. And that was the first time I saw

650
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Speaker 9: his comment, Steve in that press conference and when I

651
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Speaker 9: was sitting here when he was saying that and cut

652
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Speaker 9: off their porterns like nope, never doubt. I'm like, yeah,

653
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 9: like I'm in. I get it, like I'm in. So

654
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 9: I think this is a Falcon team that's certainly heading

655
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 9: in the right direction. I'm not surprised by that. To

656
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 9: enough start.

657
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: Listen, not everybody's sporting a mustache, but this team has

658
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: Arthur Smith's identity all over it, Steve like, they are

659
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: physical in every way that they play on both sides

660
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: of the football. I found it interesting talking to people

661
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: in that building this morning after their win. One of

662
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: the most interesting things that said that was said to

663
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: me was we really love Drake London and Mac Collins

664
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: as a one to two. You're like, Matt came in

665
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: as an afterthought. He leads this team in receiving right now,

666
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: and they really like those as a one two wide

667
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: receiver combo. Now you're looking at it and going like, well,

668
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: that's kind of interesting. But they like that matchup, Steve,

669
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: because of all the other pieces they have as well. Right,

670
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: they are wowed by Bjeon Robinson and what they can

671
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: do with him. He's their second leading receiver honestly, and

672
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: where they can put him all over the field. I

673
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: was told we're just scratching the surface about what we

674
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: can do with Bijeon, and and you're seeing this is

675
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: right now. I know we're two weeks in. This is

676
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: probably offensive Rerookie of the Year materials so far, this

677
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: is what we're looking at. I mean, I think Andrews

678
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: and Siliano hosting that show with you, Steve said his

679
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: moves have moves, which is essentially the way Bijeon plays,

680
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: but he also plays physical. I think that's the other

681
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: aspect of it. I'm curious how Kyle Pitts fits into

682
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: this coming off with the knee, does he become another

683
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: added element. We'll see if that happens. But what I

684
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: like is they have enough talent Steve where they do

685
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: think Desmond Ritter is making mistakes, but they feel like

686
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: he's making rookie mistakes because they do consider him still

687
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: a rookie. They have enough talent around him right now

688
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: in a physical enough defense to where if he doesn't

689
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: make rookie mistakes that cost you games, they're still in

690
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: a very good spot as he grows.

691
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I spoke to Terry font No years

692
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: ago and they were building this and twice passed and

693
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: two drafts passed on quarterbacks, and he said, look, we

694
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: want to build our rosters.

695
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: And when we get to the point where we find

696
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: a quarterback, he has got a nice landing spot. He'll

697
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: have time to develop. He's got land Ron who can

698
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: carry this seat.

699
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: So they've got those types of players. You know who

700
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: else is two and oh in this division? Though, the

701
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: team that nobody thought was gonna be two and oh, Sarah,

702
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: those are the Bay Buccaneers who just put a absolute

703
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: waxing on the Bears.

704
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: You were there, You.

705
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: Saw that game at Baker Mayfield. Two and oh for

706
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: the first time in his career. What is transition from

707
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: Brady to Mayfield not only done for Baker, but kind

708
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: of the rest of the guys.

709
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: You're saying, yeah, we can win without Tommy.

710
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 9: I think what's interesting is that it's not that Tom

711
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 9: is his own entity, right, Tom is his own universe

712
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 9: in the football world and even bigger than the football world.

713
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 9: And as soon as Tom was gone, these expectations change.

714
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 9: And I don't necessarily think that it has to be

715
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 9: in a bad way, because when I say the expectations

716
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 9: of change, like, no one expects them to win. Everyone's

717
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 9: saying that they're going to fish last in the division.

718
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 9: And while you would go, wow, is that a good thing,

719
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 9: it just took pressure off these guys. They have been

720
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 9: under the spotlight every single game since the day that

721
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 9: Tom Brady announced he was coming to Tampa Bay. And

722
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 9: then you win a Super Bowl. That doesn't lower the expectations.

723
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 9: And so I just think that that starts to wear

724
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 9: on you in a different way. And look, expectations are

725
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 9: a privilege. You hear pressures of privilege, all those things. Yeah,

726
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 9: that's great and all, but this is a team that's like, Okay,

727
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 9: nobody's looking at us, nobody cares about us. Like that's fine,

728
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 9: We're just gonna go out have a good time. And

729
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 9: I do think it's sort of changed this mentality of

730
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 9: the team where they're just kind of out there having

731
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 9: a good time. I know, Steve, you and I talked

732
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 9: about it when I was in Minnesota last week and

733
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 9: I was in the room right next to where the

734
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 9: box their locker room. I've never heard them screaming and

735
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 9: hollering after a game the way they did when they

736
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 9: beat Minnesota take out the Super Bowl. That's a different thing.

737
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 9: But like, this is a team that's just operating in

738
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 9: a different manner because one people discounted them. But I

739
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 9: think that they're enjoying that. I think they're enjoying being

740
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 9: out of the spotlight. Every little thing that this team

741
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 9: has done in the last three years has been picked

742
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 9: apart and scrutinized in every single way imaginable. And if

743
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 9: you don't have that on you, it's almost like it's

744
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 9: a relief. And like, let's be honest, Chicago came to

745
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 9: town and after they're terrible Week one, the pressure's on Chicago.

746
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 9: I mean everyone's looking at like the sky is falling

747
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 9: in Chicago, whereas in Tampa they're like, hey, great Week

748
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 9: one win.

749
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: We surprised.

750
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 9: We went to Minnesota and like no one thought we'd

751
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 9: come win, And now we're down here and no one

752
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 9: still expects us to win, and they win again, and

753
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 9: they've done it in a myriad of ways. The defense

754
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 9: has been really good, really lights out, and Baker Mayfield

755
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 9: one of them. I know you guys are on a

756
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 9: stat show, but tell me if this surprises you, because

757
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 9: it surprises me. Baker Mayfield is leading the NFL right

758
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 9: now in third down completion percentage number one, and like

759
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 9: that was something they struggled out last year. Do you

760
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 9: have Is that not surprising to you?

761
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: I surprised.

762
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 9: It's unbelievable he's been He's he's converted eighty seven percent

763
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 9: of the time on third down. I mean that's like insane.

764
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Speaker 9: And this is a new offense to him, a new team,

765
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 9: and so I think they're just really enjoying themselves here

766
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 9: in Tampa right now.

767
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think Sarah that's been the biggest surprise

768
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 3: I think for all of us. Everybody's seeing.

769
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 9: Uh.

770
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Speaker 3: I think Baker. Let me do the math here. My

771
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: math's not as good as yours, but I think he's

772
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 3: played for fourteen teams in the last twelve months, and

773
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: he goes out there and he plays the way that

774
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 3: he's gone out and played, specifically on third downs protecting

775
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: the football, which I think, I will say this Steve,

776
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 3: everybody's kind of waiting for that Baker stretch to happen,

777
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 3: where you go, what was that throw? Right? But it

778
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: hasn't happened yet. It hasn't happened yet. And I do

779
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 3: think that there's something between him and Mike Evans specifically

780
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: when plays breakdown, and I think Mike is, you know,

781
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: definitely that type of player, and Sarah you know him

782
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 3: well in terms of being able to make plays when

783
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: things are off script, with the size that he has,

784
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: the speed that he has. We'll still see ingim going

785
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: out there just being one of the best receivers in

786
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: all of football. But Baker is the one who's making

787
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: this go. In terms of all of us being surprised

788
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 3: because this is a talented roster, Vidavea and Twine Winfield Junior,

789
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: I mean the linebackers. I mean they have Tristan Wurf's

790
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 3: on the offensive line. I mean they have a lot

791
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: of talent and one of those guys that I didn't mention, right,

792
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 3: there is a pass rusher in Shaq Barrett's there. Yeah,

793
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: and hey he goes out, and he goes out and

794
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 3: makes an unbelievable play to seal that game. But what

795
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: happened in the end zone just on another level compared

796
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: to the play that he made.

797
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, here's the thing. And for people that aren't aware,

798
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 9: and I think most people are shocked. First of all,

799
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 9: it's coming back from a tour Achilles that happened I

800
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 9: think in week eight of last season, so he's just

801
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 9: trying to make his way back right. And then horrific,

802
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 9: horrific tragedy this off season, his little two year old daughter,

803
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 9: Ariah drowns in the family pool. So what he has

804
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 9: had to endure over the last several months of his

805
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 9: life are it's just incomprehensible. And he talked about it

806
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 9: yesterday that before the first game of the season in Minnesota,

807
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 9: that he just sat in his locker room and started

808
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 9: crying because it hits him in different moments. And yet

809
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 9: he stepped to the podium yesterday and he was so joyful,

810
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 9: and I had this like I actually had this anxiety

811
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 9: of like, oh my god. So he just has this

812
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 9: pick six end of the game seals the deal. But

813
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 9: he's going to get asked about his daughter and what

814
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 9: it means and like, this poor guy, because he's now

815
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 9: he's going to get up there, like how is he

816
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 9: going to handle it? And he had the biggest smile

817
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 9: on his face. He had this huge, blinged out necklace

818
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 9: that was a heart and it was his little daughter

819
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 9: on it, and he was so joyful though, and he

820
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 9: was like, I was so happy that happened because I

821
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 9: blew her a kiss and like it brought the spotlight

822
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 9: back to my daughter. And which was like a very

823
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 9: way of thinking about it, because I mean this he's

824
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 9: he's going through it and he's going to be going

825
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 9: through this for a long time. And Todd Bowles was

826
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 9: asked about, you know, how do you see Shack being

827
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 9: able to maneuver what he've been able to maneuver through

828
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 9: not you know, he has an injury that he's still

829
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 9: working his way back from. And he said it's unbelievable.

830
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 9: I mean it's it's unbelievable what he has been going

831
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 9: through on and off the field. And so to have

832
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 9: that finish, the people that know that story behind that,

833
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 9: to have the finish that he had yesterday. It was

834
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 9: just crazy, and it's been a very an amazing start

835
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 9: for a Buccaneers team that there were a lot of

836
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 9: question marks about. And then of course, you know the

837
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 9: Eagles are coming to town for Monday night football. Soever

838
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 9: and goes, okay, here's here's the test now, so we'll

839
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 9: see what happens on Monday night.

840
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And Sarah, just real quick, yeah, yeah, just

841
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: just we're all parents here, and so the respect for

842
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: Shaq Barrett to continue to wear a smile on his

843
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: face going through what he's going through just immeasurable.

844
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Sah.

845
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 9: Community is just devastated.

846
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: One of the best dudes in the league, man, one

847
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: of the best people in the league covered him for

848
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: a long time. Unbelievable. Yeah, all right, Sarah, appreciate it.

849
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: We're gonna move back onto the football field a little bit.

850
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 3: A couple of legendary coaches, Steve in terms of Sean Payton,

851
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, both Owen two, how about Brandon Staley Owen two,

852
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: whose seed is the hottest? Well, Jeff tod is gonna

853
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: come back and tell us.

854
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 10: Russell in the pocket now bounces around set it throws

855
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 10: the ball up in the air, the ball.

856
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: Deflected Johnson, good Cook Logan, Well, I mean the hell

857
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 3: Mary did not get to the end zone. Steve Jeffett

858
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: did not reach the goal line, but somehow it was

859
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: caught in the end zone Brandon Johnson. That was the

860
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 3: hell Mary from Russell Wilson to Brand Johnson, but no

861
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 3: two point conversion. Some debate about a penalty in the

862
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 3: end zone, there wasn't called, and the Broncos fall shorts

863
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: and lose thirty five thirty three. But it wasn't that

864
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: hell Mary, even though we saw Russell Wilson play a

865
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: little bit better. Sean Payton still having some issues with

866
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: the operation. Sound familiar, Here's Peyton.

867
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 10: There's a number of drives you know where we're late

868
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 10: with personnel getting out of the huddle. We took a while.

869
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 10: I mean, that's got to change. We had to burn

870
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 10: timeouts in the first half and I'm not used to doing.

871
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 10: We got to be better, and I've got to be better.

872
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 10: Russ's got to be sharper with get getting the play

873
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 10: out and then we got to look at how much

874
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 10: we have in But you know, if we need to

875
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 10: riskband it, we will.

876
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: Well you know, one too long ago when Sean Payton

877
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: was talking about Nathaniel Hackett and the bad operation because

878
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: he was a bad head coach Jeff. Now he's getting

879
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: it kind of a reality check, talking about going to

880
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: wrist bands get personnel out today. On Monday, he said

881
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: he had to shorten the verbiage now of the play

882
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: calls so they can get to the line of scrimmage.

883
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: Quicker.

884
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're searching for answers already, my man.

885
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, building a glass house over there is what Sean

886
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 6: Payton's doing. It's easy to throw stones when you're watching

887
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 6: from a farm, but once you're actually in there dealing

888
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 6: with the quarterback, things get a little bit different. I

889
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 6: thought it was ironic that he was talking about these

890
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 6: kinds of challenges because I thought Russell Wilson played fairly,

891
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 6: played fairly well, and Russell Wilson even said they played

892
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 6: their best half of offensive football this year in that game.

893
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 6: First of all I see with this team right now

894
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 6: is that all the talk about culture and teaching people

895
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 6: how to win and getting the right people in the room,

896
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 6: it just it takes a while to make this kind

897
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 6: of stuff work. And I will say this. The Broncos

898
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 6: are probably a better team right now with Sean Payne

899
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 6: coaching them, but the numbers game is not working in

900
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 6: their favor because when you lose two games against teams

901
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 6: you should beat at home, and you have the Dolphins

902
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 6: coming up next, a couple weeks down the road, you

903
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 6: get the Chiefs and the Bills and the Packers and

904
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 6: the Chiefs again, it's starting to look like this team

905
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 6: is going to end up being two and six, you know,

906
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 6: two and five as they near the midpoint of the season,

907
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 6: and that's just not going to get it done in

908
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,479
Speaker 6: a crowded AFC. So I understand the concerns and Sean

909
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 6: Payton desire and make Russell Wilson as good of a

910
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 6: quarterback as he possibly can be. But you're up twenty

911
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 6: one three at home. You got to win that game.

912
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: Hold up, John, if they're two and five. If they're

913
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: two and five, what do they do a quarterback?

914
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: Because you know people are going to be screaming for

915
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: Jared Sidham or whoever.

916
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 6: Oh man, it's I think part of it depends on

917
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 6: how it looks, because you can be you can play well.

918
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, this the second half that squandered this one.

919
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 6: Away, thank you, thank you. No one wants to talk

920
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 6: about that part of it. But defensively, they're not the

921
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 6: same team they were a couple of years ago.

922
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I want to chime in a little bit

923
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: before we move on about this whole situation that is

924
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 3: being talked about here in Denver at nauseum on Monday,

925
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: the play calling and about it taking too long in

926
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: the operation first point. I was told repeatedly after Sean

927
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: Payton's initial comments to jare Belle and USA today this

928
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: offseason texts from multiple members of that coaching staff from

929
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: a year ago that just kind of all had the

930
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: same sentiment, wait till Sewan starts working with Russ. We

931
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 3: had these issues constantly last year. I was told repeatedly

932
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: that there are issues about plays getting in too slow,

933
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: and that blame kept going on Nathaniel Hackett and the

934
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 3: offensive coaching staff. And now we're seeing the same issues

935
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 3: with a new coaching staff coming in. And I remember

936
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: at the beginning, maybe third of training camp, I asked

937
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: Sean Payton about that communication between both sides, Steve, and

938
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: he said to me, ninety percent of it is on

939
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: the play caller when things go wrong, it's usually the

940
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: play caller's fault. That is not where he's coming from.

941
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: Right now, it looks like it is the same quarterback

942
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: with two different play callers, that this is an issue

943
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: with the verbiage. Now, the interesting part with the wristband

944
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 3: was Russ was wearing a spand on Sunday, So I

945
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: guess they're gonna change some aspects of the wristband, change

946
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: some of the verbiage. This has been an issue with

947
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson his entire career. This was a big issue

948
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: in Seattle. They just work ways to work around it.

949
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: Michael Robinson has talked on our air at nauseum about

950
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: the help that he gave in the huddle to Russell

951
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: Wilson at times. So it's finding ways around it, which

952
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: my last point. I know I'm going home with this,

953
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: but I'm fascinated by it. During training camp, you always

954
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 3: see right the play caller with the with the walkie

955
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: talkie and they're talking to the guy. They're talking to

956
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: the quarterback. That did not happen during training camp here

957
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 3: in Denver, Sean Payton was in the huddle giving the plays.

958
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: What I'm curious about was are we not practicing this

959
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: or is there an aspect of this to where this

960
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: is slowing down our operation in training camp. So we

961
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 3: just have to make sure I get the play in

962
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 3: so the rest of the other ten guys aren't affected.

963
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: Jeff like, we have to get work on this. We

964
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: can't let this slow us down to camp. I'm curious

965
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 3: to try to get to the bottom of this because

966
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 3: apparently it is an issue in Denver.

967
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 6: Yeah. I have a hard time understanding how a quarterback

968
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 6: who's played as long as Russell Wilson's played can't understand

969
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 6: verbiage or can't get play calls in. It seems like

970
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 6: it should be second nature, right, It's it's a miss draggery.

971
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 6: It's it's hard to understand it, and it's happened so

972
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 6: many times now that it's easy to say, oh, it's

973
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 6: the play caller, but it's got to be the quarterback.

974
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, look and the guy. Let's let's not forget

975
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: about this. He has had tremendous success in his career,

976
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: but for things.

977
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: That kind of wine always told me, Steve, not everybody's perfect.

978
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: Somebody everybody has everybody has a flaw in their game.

979
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: This is something russell'sn't been great.

980
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: Hey James, what is it about being in Denver and

981
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: bringing up how mama has raised you. I'm just talking

982
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: about Colorado, I should say, not Denver. That's a part

983
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: of the whole Colorado State Colorado thing, all.

984
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: Right, Hey, Jeff. Another coach who who Sean Payton supposedly was.

985
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: Going to replace before he got to Denver's Brandon Staley

986
00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: with the Chargers.

987
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: As we know, this team is loaded.

988
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: They spend all their money on defense, I mean tons

989
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: of it on defense, other than on their quarterback.

990
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: They're owing to. They've lost games the same ways. It's

991
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: tough teams. Now well to Miami and then well Washington.

992
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: They're doing all right, but they just keep you know,

993
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: they just keep getting I'm sorry the charge loss of

994
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: Tennessee beat on the deep ball. Defensively, they're not affecting

995
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: the quarterback the way they're paying people to do that.

996
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: And Brandon Staley is a defensive coach. We know last

997
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: year there are roamings about his job security. The way

998
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: this team has started. Are you concerned about this?

999
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 9: Yes?

1000
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 6: No, without without a doubt. You're talking about again, a

1001
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 6: team that was supposed to be pushing the Chiefs every

1002
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 6: year we hear this right. The Chiefs owned the AFC

1003
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 6: West for the last seven years, But the Chargers are

1004
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 6: always that team that's snipping at their heels and getting

1005
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 6: close and on the version of a huge breakthrough. And

1006
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 6: I just don't get it. Brandon Staley is a I

1007
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 6: like him as a coach, I like him as a person,

1008
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 6: but he's supposed to be a defensive guy, and the

1009
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 6: defense has never been good since he's been there. There

1010
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 6: was a great stat that I read earlier today that

1011
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 6: said the Chargers as a team have given up more

1012
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 6: pass completions of over thirty yards than any team in

1013
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 6: the league since Stateley became the head coach. And you're

1014
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 6: talking about a secondary that has Derwin James, that has

1015
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 6: j C. Jackson, that passed for us is Khalil Mack

1016
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 6: and you know.

1017
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: Joey Bosa, all these guys, and it just never seems

1018
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 3: to work.

1019
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 6: Again, oh to two with against teams that they're good

1020
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 6: enough to beat. You can't do that in a crowded AFC,

1021
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 6: and certainly when you're chasing the Chiefs.

1022
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one that blows me away. And the

1023
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: other part is if you look at the numbers, the

1024
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: way Ryan Tannehill has closed out games with the Tennessee

1025
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: Titans that are in overtime. He's five and one. If

1026
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 3: you look at what's happened with Justin Herbert in these

1027
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 3: late games, the stats are not the same. A lot

1028
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 3: of times, guys, that's coaching right, what happens down the stretch.

1029
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: And a lot of times also we think one guy's

1030
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 3: gonna win Rookie of the Year, Steve. Maybe another guy,

1031
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: a sleeper already through two weeks, could be the rookie

1032
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: of the year. We'll tell you who Steve has his

1033
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: eye on. Coming up next on the NFL Report.

1034
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: Are back with a final block here at the NFL

1035
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: Report And JPI was at the Rams Niners game yesterday.

1036
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: A fantastic game, Trucky.

1037
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: The Rams are a lot better than we give them

1038
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: credit for their very physical upfront. Matthew Stafford looks absolutely reborn.

1039
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: You saw that in joint practices with the Broncos.

1040
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: But rookie wide receiver Puka Nakua, a fifth round draft pick,

1041
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: the latest mid to late round draft pick the Rams

1042
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: had that have been developed by wide receiver coach Eric Yarber,

1043
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: who is the secret sauce to this offense no one

1044
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: talks about.

1045
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: He went for.

1046
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: Fifteen catches against the Niners. He's got twenty five over

1047
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: the first two games, the most by a rookie. First off,

1048
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: the fifteen catches the most by a rookie in the game.

1049
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: Twenty five most by a rookie over two games. But

1050
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm speaking of Niners players. After the game,

1051
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 1: Talaa Hufona was like, oh, I know his brother.

1052
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: Well, I'm tight with his brother. But I always knew

1053
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 2: Pookap was a dog.

1054
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: And they said in the first half he was their

1055
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: zone buster, right, and they saw it on film against

1056
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: Seattle the week before that. He saw the seams in

1057
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: their zones and was killing them. So in the second

1058
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: half they went up, they pressed him a little bit more,

1059
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: they put a little more traffic.

1060
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: In front of him.

1061
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: He had eight catches in the second half after having seven.

1062
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: In the first, so he was better. He's a real dude.

1063
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, when Cooper Cup comes back, because

1064
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: right now he's playing Cooper Cup's role, I mean lining

1065
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: up at flanker, cracking guys like Nick Boges at the

1066
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage.

1067
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: When Cup comes back, he may change roles a little bit,

1068
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 2: but he clearly.

1069
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: Is trusted by Stafford, as you can tell by the

1070
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: twenty targets James he received against the forty nine ers.

1071
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, we should make it abundantly clear with Cooper Cup

1072
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 3: comes back, this is not just like all right, Cela

1073
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: ter Pooka that that is not the case. He's definitely

1074
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: gonna have a major role in this offense. And when

1075
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 3: they had those two joint practices in Denver and I

1076
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 3: was there, I was just like, this guy is torching

1077
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: a secondary that's supposed to be very, very good. Now

1078
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: through the first two games, we haven't really seen it

1079
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: plays women at that level, but he was really the

1080
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: dominant player in those two games. And I love that

1081
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: we bring up Cooper Cup repeatedly because that's what I

1082
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: love about Team Steve is this guy drops in the

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Speaker 3: draft due to concussion due to speed. He was like

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Speaker 3: a four to five guy. You know who else was

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Speaker 3: a speed guy that dropped. A guy that dropped because

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Speaker 3: of his speed, Cooper Cup. And this is a team

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Speaker 3: that has not really been focused on the speed aspect

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Speaker 3: of it. It's understanding defenses, understanding space, understanding ways to

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Speaker 3: get open. And this is just a great example, just

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Speaker 3: like Cooper Cup to go out there and be a

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Speaker 3: dominant player when the whole league apparently is based off

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Speaker 3: of speed.

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Speaker 1: JP he's got football speed because they were using him

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Speaker 1: on jet sweeps and things like.

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Speaker 2: That as well. They were getting the ball in his hands,

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Speaker 2: speaking of speed.

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Speaker 1: This edition of the NFL Report, it flew by j Peb.

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Speaker 1: You want to thank Sarah Watash and Jeffshediah NFL dot com.

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Speaker 1: Slash first read for more on Jeff and We'll be

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Speaker 1: back on Thursday. Also listen to the podcast