WEBVTT - Could i BE anymore trans??? (feat. Tommy Dorfman) 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:05.680 Fran the fucking no one can no one can hit 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:07.200 it the elf bar down. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.160 Look, it's just it's just getting me through. I thought 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:12.360 you were throwing it away. I am gonna throw it away. 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.240 She's sheen. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:21.599 I'm me no, ma, not hone yo no no, what 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:26.000 is your childhood trauma? I am a uk. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:30.120 You what's going down the floor? 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.640 Like round? 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:43.519 Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where we give 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:45.879 yesterday's pop culture today's takes. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:47.640 I'm Rose Domin and I'm Fran Dorado. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.240 Fran, are you an allergy Girlie? 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:53.960 No, I'm not. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.280 I'm not, but I know that you are, as a 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.720 Caucasian constantly suffering through this. 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:01.640 I am suffering. I just want to show you. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.640 I have this little like decorative bowl here that I 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.160 usually keep fruit in, and during allergy season it has 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:15.959 instead become home to hills eye drops. Ooh, nasal spray. Yeah, 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:19.400 we need to get some real there and I beuprofen 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.080 and then also make up. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:26.319 But I did buy some fruit this morning. We love that. 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:29.039 I'm going to try to fill it in again, because 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.520 it's not as aesthetic when it's full of pill. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.160 Bobby, I actually if you could argue that it's more 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.800 even more aesthetic when filled with allergy medications, it's more ownable. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.880 It's a stylistic choice rose your culture. 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.679 I don't know, but I am down bad with allergies. 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:47.120 It is. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.400 I do think it says a lot about me as 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:53.120 a person that the more beautiful it becomes outside, the 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.000 more miserable I become, and the more. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.960 My body attacks me. But you know, I am, I am. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.400 I'm fighting it, and I'm going to spend the afternoon 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:04.280 in Fort Green Park. 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.000 Yes, oh, what are you doing there? 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.240 Peyton and I are meeting up and we're just gonna 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:09.600 read and eat snacks. 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.120 Okay, that's so day, Yes it is. What are you 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:14.520 reading right now? Oh? 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.600 Well so I as I said a couple of months ago. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.560 You know, so we have officially moved Ros's book Club 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.120 over to the Patreon Yes, patreon dot com slash like 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.600 a virgin if you're not already a patron. And the 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.480 book that I said was going to be our next 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:35.959 discussion topic is Fingersmith by Sarah Waters, and I it's 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.000 been it's been hard for me to get started on 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.280 that because it's very dense, it's historical fiction, and so 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.359 it's really been sitting on the back burner for me. 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.680 And so actually this weekend I read something that I 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.680 think you would like, Frand and I kind of want 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.480 to like pitch you on it and convince you to 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.560 read it. Okay, so we can talk about it on 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:54.120 the Patreon. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.919 First of all, how long is it? It's very short. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.000 I was going to run errands on Saturday and I 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.360 looked at Fingersmith and I was like, Okay, I don't 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.080 want to carry this heavyest book with me, and you 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.440 need something like short that I can read very quickly. 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.800 So I went to my shelf where I keep all 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.560 the books that I haven't read, and there's a lot 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.200 of them. Because I really love to buy books. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:18.600 I just bought. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.000 I just bought two books literally like in a haze 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.440 yesterday with like you know points, and I was like, 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.760 the audacity to buy two more books. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:28.680 We're going to make it free. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.760 Actually, I will lend you this book so the book 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.680 can get a copy. The book is The Sluts by 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:42.040 Dennis Cooper, and it is a dark, twisted, perverted, sickening 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:48.480 terrible book that I loved and read in one day. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:55.560 It takes place entirely on a website where men review 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.440 gay male escorts, and it's all set in two thousand 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.240 and one, two and two, and it starts off with 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:06.320 someone reviewing this escort named Brad, and he sort of 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.000 kicks off all of the like fantasies of the men 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.200 who were on the message board, and other men leave 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.479 reviews of him that you're not sure if they're true 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:21.800 or not. And he is involved in this like horrific 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:27.760 relationship with this man named Brian who wants to kill him, 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.120 and he kind of wants to be killed, and so 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.400 the book is all told killed wants to be killed. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.000 So the book is all told through these reviews, through 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.960 emails and faxes, and it all spirals and it you know, 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.960 it takes place when the Internet was first like a thing, 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.400 really And it actually ended up being a very nice 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.600 pairing with a movie that I watched last week, Videodrome, 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.720 the David Cronenberg movie, which is also sort of about 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.760 this idea of like the intersection between sex and violence 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.640 in media, and like the Chicken or the Egg kind 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:05.240 of question about that, which is like, did media create 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:10.600 this violence that in that in consuming it made us 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.560 more violent? Or did we create violent media in our 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:19.760 own image? Because you know in these reviews that these 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:26.560 men leave there like spinning these really horrific, violent, sexually deviant, 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:34.640 pedophilic fantasies, and you're realizing that the freedom to share 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.400 them has like made these fantasies even worse than they 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:42.200 might have been otherwise. But obviously they were like still 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:46.200 already there and in some way, and they're like it's 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.800 very funny, it's very disgusting, and there's so much about 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.560 like who's lying, who's telling the truth, lots of unreliable narration, 0:05:55.320 --> 0:06:00.000 and like I finished the book thinking I probably didn't 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.760 ever want to read it again, or like read anything 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.720 else the author had written, but I loved the experience 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:06.320 of reading it. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.360 Okay, I have three follow up questions. Okay, so it's 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.360 an epistolatory novel, like it's told one hundred percent through 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:16.680 these messages. Yes, okay, cool, So in that it's kind 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:18.919 of you said, it's like at the dawn of the Internet. 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.000 So is it kind of like you've got mail coded 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:22.560 a little bit? 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.600 Yeah, you've got mail coded. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:28.960 If Tom Hanks murdered Meg Ryan and then like. 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:30.280 Raped her corpse. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.719 All of a sudden, I've forgotten my third question. 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.880 Oh my God, as I said, I read this the 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.239 same week that I watched Video Drome for the first time. 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.480 And I watched Video Drome because on your recommendation. I've 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.440 been watching Dead Ringers on Amazon and I haven't finished 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.000 it yet, but when I do, we'll we'll talk about it. 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:55.200 And Dead Ringers is based off of a David Cronenberg 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.479 movie called Dead Ringers. In that movie, the twins that 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.320 Rachel Weiss plays are men, so like the TV show 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:01.560 is a. 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:02.440 Version of that. 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.920 And before Video Drome, I had only seen one other 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.520 David Cronenberg movie, Crimes of the Future, which I saw 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.760 last year and hated. I think I talked about it 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.440 here at the time Video Drome, however, I loved. It's 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:19.200 so fucking weird and a young James Woods is in 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.880 it and he's really hot in it, and also Blondie's 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.160 in it and she's really hot in it. It's likedy, 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:30.400 so good, so fucked up, and also very much about 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:35.400 like you know, violence, and like snuff films are a 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:39.160 big part of it. And it's really gross. There's like 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:44.320 body horror, and it just like sick and twisted, and 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.480 I loved every second of it. Okay, all right, I 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.040 don't know if I'm a Cronenberg early, but I'm definitely 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:51.239 gonna try and read that book. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.960 So reading Fundamental. Do you know what else is fundamental? 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.600 Suck session as you called it to me yesterday when 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:00.040 we were on the. 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.000 Yes a joke which I had definitely made before and 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.160 when even when the first time I made it, I thought, 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.880 this is very obvious, and I'm sure many other people. 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.040 Have made it, and it got like ten thousand lies. No. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:18.640 Last night's succession was another banger episode, you know, all 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.960 around this tailgate party that was happening at Tom and 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.480 shives in the inside the episode thing that they do 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.520 after the episodes on HBO. Sarah Snook said that the 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.360 creator kind of said that the vibe of the episode 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.400 was Who's afraid of Virginia Wolf? You know, this is 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.680 having a party at their house and like hate each other. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.520 Good reference, and that really was. 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:43.280 The vibe of it. 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:47.359 Like there, I loved how they started the episode like flirty, 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.560 but also like angry at each other when Tom gave 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.199 Shiv the scorpion. But then they're still sending each other 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.640 these texts where she was like, sorry if I broke 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.480 your dick last night and then by the end of 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.640 the episode, they finally have this knockdown, drag out brawl 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.320 where they bring up basically all of the ship that 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.480 they've been holding on through throughout the entire show, and 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.800 especially everything that happened at the end of last season. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:15.319 I loved it. 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:19.440 And I mean, Sarah snook emmy campaign is is. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:21.960 She's She's She's taking it. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:26.160 I mean, she is a character that has ascended on 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:31.559 the power rankings for sure. I yeah, the shive Tom thing, 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.000 now that I have heard this Who's afraid of Virginia 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:39.800 Wolf kind of parallel like that, it makes perfect sense 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.640 to me. You can see everything that has gone on 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.600 said for the you know years that they've been kind 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:49.240 of in a relationship together. Have you ever been in 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:54.360 a relationship like that where like there was something going 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:55.800 on in the relationship, like it was a bit of 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.840 a situationship kind of and it was never spoken about 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.520 until like some explosion moment. 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:06.600 Never a romantic relationship. But I definitely have had close 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:11.960 friendships where there have been things that we were both 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:17.440 avoiding and they came out in some explosive moment. 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.600 Yeah, because I have definitely had at least one situationship 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.920 like this where there was a somewhat verbal, somewhat nonverbal 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.240 agreement that like we were just kind of let the 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:32.000 relationship be the what it was, right, and then all 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:33.960 of a sudden, all the things that you've been feeling 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:34.640 come out. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:34.840 You know. 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.720 And when Tom when they were out on the patio 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.560 and Tom was like, Tom was like, can we just 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.440 have a real conversation? It was like it was such 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.280 a like mind fuck because you're like, damn, like what 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.040 have they what kind of conversations have they been having 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.120 up into this point? And when Schiff says I don't 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.560 care about you and I've never cared about you something 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.280 that I don't know how you feel about that roast, 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.959 But I, as of you personally think that's true based 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.280 on everything we've seen in the three seasons, Like I 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.160 think that Shiv might have a shred of care for 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.440 Tom for the most part, he is an accessory or 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.360 a pawn in everything she does. Like, I think that's 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.319 totally true. 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:16.960 I actually disagree. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.840 I think that was the only part in that fight 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:27.040 where she was being dishonest, and I really believe that 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:35.360 the reason that Tom was able to betray her so 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.880 much when he sold the kids out to Logan at 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.880 the end of season three, like proved to Shive for 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:44.640 the first time that Tom was someone who. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:45.560 Could hurt her. 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:50.240 And I almost think we've been seeing this season her 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.520 finally opening up to him in a way she never 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:58.559 had before, like even in last night's episode, I think 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.120 a season or two ago. So she never would have 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.640 let him in on what was going on with Madsen. 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:05.880 She would have like kept it all very close to 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:10.520 the chest, and in trying out their relationship for a 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:14.160 second time, she to me it least seemed like she 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.319 was opening up to him in a way she never 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.480 had before and was really letting herself trust him and 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.040 care about him because like realizing that she was fucking 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:26.360 over her family and like Tom might be the only. 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:27.360 Person in her corner. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.480 And after that happened, so yeah, I feel like she 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.640 was lying in that moment and just trying to hurt 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:34.679 him TBD. 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.920 But like truth is a rather the thing that we 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.880 both know is that Tom is about to fuck shit up, 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.360 like you could when he was laying in bed in 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.880 that final frame, like the mechanations going on, like he 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.480 is one thousand percent about to make a big move 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:58.080 and I'm very excited about that because he's so delightfully slippery, spineless, ethicless, 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.600 like so good he is. 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:04.480 Yeah, I was listening to the Succession podcast this morning. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.080 Oh you listened to the Succession podcast? 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:12.360 Yeah, so good, And Matthew, who plays Tom, was on 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.840 it this week and he was saying that one of 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.120 the ways he plays Tom is like Tom is basically 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:21.040 a different character depending on who he's talking to, and 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:25.320 he really like he has kind of no agenda other 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:29.440 than survival and advancement and success, and so that I 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.840 think is what makes him very dangerous, is like he's 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.800 willing to do anything. And so now he came on 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.760 this bitch mad as hell, like he's at his lowest, 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.520 you know, because he this whole party, like everyone was 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.200 talking about how he's going to get fired, and now 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.400 he's lost Shiv, who was like his one tether into 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.600 the family, So who knows what he'll do. The last 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.560 time that he was in a similar position was when 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:55.080 he betrayed Shiv and went to Team Logan. So yeah, 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:59.960 he really could do anything. But I have kind of 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:00.800 come around to. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.120 Be like a Tomshive girl and like. 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.719 Their kind of end game for me and one thing 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.959 I really loved is that she never, like, even when 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.560 he said I don't think you'd be a good person 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.920 to be a mother, I love that she didn't say, well, 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.200 I'm carrying your baby. I think a lot of people 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.880 expect that kind of revelation to come in that moment, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.600 and on a different TV show, that would have been 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.720 the moment where Shiv said, well, I'm pregnant. But this 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.000 is Succession and she's not gonna say that. And I 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:33.120 wouldn't be surprised if that admission happened like off screen, 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.240 or like in the very last episode in a sort 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:39.200 of inconsequential way, or if she like miscarries or something like. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.560 That's not what Succession is about. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.560 So I don't know. I'm just like, there's only three 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:45.440 episodes left. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.160 Can I confide something in you to you in this 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:49.400 unsafe space? 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.880 Yes, I have never been a shive girl. 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:56.240 I've never like Want, I've never rooted for her as 0:14:56.280 --> 0:15:00.760 a character. I'm not quite sure why, and I've never 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.720 necessarily rooted for Tom in past seasons. But this season 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.400 I'm rooting for Tom, and I'm also rooting for Jerry. 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:15.520 I'm definitely rooting for Roman, but I don't know. I'm 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.240 just like really curious to see who will end up, 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.560 who will end up on top, or if they will 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.720 all just get fucked over because of this thing, this 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.240 India thing, which I think is also a plausibility where 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.680 they just all end up fat, nasty and broke. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.760 You know who I'm rooting for and who is the 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.960 best horse to bet on? Willa Roy. Willa to me 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.000 was the MVP of this episode. She said, I'm not 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.360 fucking going wherever you're sending me off to to be 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:49.200 an ambassador's wife. I am Connor's wife now, and I'm 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.600 telling my man, what's what? 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.040 Sorry, I'm extremely caffeinated. 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.880 Like yeah, like that truly, like the fact that they 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.520 were like calling him asking him to withdraw h Like 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.760 what was it like liaison to the UN, and like 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.920 this has like international implications whatever, And that Willa is 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.120 the person that actually made the call at the end 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.680 of the day, something that has international implications, like sex 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.000 workers be making. 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.680 The calls sometimes, and I think that is dope. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.720 Yeah, I don't necessarily root for anyone. These are all 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.200 bad people, you know, as this episode specifically pointed out, 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:33.280 These are all people who like are back channeling shaping 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.720 the future of our country and of politics, and like 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.080 none of them really care about whatever it is they 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.200 stand for. But if I had to root for anyone, 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:44.840 it definitely would would be Willa. 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:46.400 It would be Willa. Yeah. 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.760 I mean, it's interesting to watch this become the most 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.240 popular show on TV right now and to also know 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.840 that it is in some ways a critique of capitalism 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:57.440 and power. 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:58.240 But like. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.640 All the kind of like eat the Rich media that's 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.480 been coming out, whether it's like The Menu, which, to 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.720 be honest thinking about it, didn't really love triangle sentence 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.840 is great. I think it was a perfect balance. White Lotus, 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.919 like all these other things following a kind of trend 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:22.680 are doing so with a very ham fisted execution, right, 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.680 Like they're really nitche like trying to nail down this 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:29.080 eat the Rich idea, and Succession doesn't do that. Like 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.320 it's subtle and it doesn't need to say what it 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.000 needs to say explicitly in order to get it to 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:36.880 message across. 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.520 And it's not necessarily. 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.600 Even telling you who's right and wrong, so to speak, 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:46.399 because obviously they're all wrong. I just yeah, the complexity 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.320 is like what we need. We don't need a message, 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.960 We need complication, and that's what I. 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:52.679 Love about the show absolutely. 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.159 Speaking of Survival, as you said earlier, h M, I 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.840 finally I had fallen off of not fallen off of 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.159 Yellow Jackets, but I like quite a few episodes rack 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.840 Up before I finally got caught up. 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:04.640 Are you all caught up? 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.800 I am all caught up. I've been in a similar 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:13.680 scenar as you. I will say that I think mostly 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.000 because of it being programmed on Friday nights, I just 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:22.280 haven't been driven to watch it as consistently as I 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.840 was in season one. Also, there's been it's had some 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.840 weeks recently where it hasn't aired, so I was kind 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:36.959 of confused about that. But this past week's episode was amazing, 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:41.200 and I do think I didn't realize it until the 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.800 very end of this week's episode when all of the 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.919 women were together that I think that has been the 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.520 problem for me with this season is that in the 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.320 present day storyline, the women have all been off doing 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.760 their own things, and last season I loved that they 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.040 were all together, and I think that's why it's been 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.160 a little slower for me. But this season, between when 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.840 Shauna giving birth in the past and the women's storylines 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:04.520 finally converging in the future. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.560 I'm all in. I'm ready to like ride this thing 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.159 through till the end. The next episode's gonna be banger. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.560 I have been like thinking so hard about what will 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:20.480 happen when future Shauna meets future Lottie, because, as we're 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.320 seeing more and more, their past relationship in the Wilderness 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.960 was so overwrought and it seems like they truly truly 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.959 hate each other, or at the very least have a 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.600 past that's like way more complicated than we've seen yet. 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:39.480 But Melanie Lynsky delivering her monologue in the kind of 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.600 interrogation room with the police. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:43.439 Oh my god. 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.440 I think it was like maybe my favorite Melanie Linsky 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:51.040 performance since the series has started. Like it was like 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.119 she was on It felt like something that as an 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.320 actor she had really really worked on, Like it looked 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.280 like it took so much work, and yet it felt 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.560 completely natural, like there was no reason for her to 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:07.800 confess what she confessed, but it happened because of what. 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:09.600 Was happening with the character. It was just so good. 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:14.159 Also, young Shauna played by Sophia Elise I thought was 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:18.640 so incredible in this episode. You know, in the birthing 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.640 scene and then her what turned out to be fantasies 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:24.640 of her child surviving and then finding out the child 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:25.359 had died. 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:26.880 Just she was so good. 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:34.040 Jasmine Savoy Brown is incredible also, like I mean, just 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.320 really great acting across the board. Also, this was the 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:40.119 first time that I kind of liked Shauna's. 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:44.480 Daughter, Callie's like who I hate. But when she. 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.800 Told me the detective that the that the other cop 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.520 that she had sex with him, I was finally like, Okay, 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.440 you were like living up to, you know, your mother, 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.480 the example set by your mother in the worst way 0:20:58.520 --> 0:20:59.680 possible but also the best way. 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.520 Poppas so smart. But also wait, so they didn't have 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:03.479 sex though, correct? 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:05.439 No, wow damn. 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.840 But I think the thing that she said about his balls, 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.359 Like I think he said something to her about his balls, 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:13.280 so that's why. 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:19.840 She knows that. Oh my god, I missed that. Okay, yeah, No. 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.240 This was also the first time that I liked the daughter, 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:24.520 and it was like a very and honestly you and 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.040 I called it like when we were complaining about her, 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:30.359 like in previous episodes, something that we both said is 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:34.800 just like she needs to either get on Melanie Lensky's 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.520 side and like help be an evil person or she needs. 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.160 To die, like it's one or the other. And look 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:43.960 here she is, she's showing up. Yeah. 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.439 I saw someone on Twitter saying that they fast forward 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.280 through all of the present day scenes and Yellow Jackets 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:52.439