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Speaker 2: Look, it's just it's just getting me through. I thought

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Speaker 2: you were throwing it away. I am gonna throw it away.

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Speaker 2: She's sheen.

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Speaker 3: I'm me no, ma, not hone yo no no, what

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Speaker 3: is your childhood trauma? I am a uk.

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Speaker 4: You what's going down the floor?

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Speaker 2: Like round?

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where we give

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Speaker 5: yesterday's pop culture today's takes.

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Speaker 2: I'm Rose Domin and I'm Fran Dorado.

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Speaker 1: Fran, are you an allergy Girlie?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not, but I know that you are, as a

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Speaker 1: Caucasian constantly suffering through this.

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Speaker 2: I am suffering. I just want to show you.

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Speaker 5: I have this little like decorative bowl here that I

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Speaker 5: usually keep fruit in, and during allergy season it has

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Speaker 5: instead become home to hills eye drops. Ooh, nasal spray. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we need to get some real there and I beuprofen

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Speaker 5: and then also make up.

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Speaker 2: But I did buy some fruit this morning. We love that.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to try to fill it in again, because

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Speaker 5: it's not as aesthetic when it's full of pill.

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Speaker 1: Bobby, I actually if you could argue that it's more

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Speaker 1: even more aesthetic when filled with allergy medications, it's more ownable.

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Speaker 1: It's a stylistic choice rose your culture.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but I am down bad with allergies.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 5: I do think it says a lot about me as

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Speaker 5: a person that the more beautiful it becomes outside, the

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Speaker 5: more miserable I become, and the more.

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Speaker 2: My body attacks me. But you know, I am, I am.

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Speaker 5: I'm fighting it, and I'm going to spend the afternoon

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Speaker 5: in Fort Green Park.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh, what are you doing there?

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Speaker 5: Peyton and I are meeting up and we're just gonna

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Speaker 5: read and eat snacks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's so day, Yes it is. What are you

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Speaker 2: reading right now? Oh?

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Speaker 5: Well so I as I said a couple of months ago.

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Speaker 5: You know, so we have officially moved Ros's book Club

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Speaker 5: over to the Patreon Yes, patreon dot com slash like

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Speaker 5: a virgin if you're not already a patron. And the

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Speaker 5: book that I said was going to be our next

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Speaker 5: discussion topic is Fingersmith by Sarah Waters, and I it's

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Speaker 5: And so actually this weekend I read something that I

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Speaker 2: First of all, how long is it? It's very short.

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Speaker 5: I was going to run errands on Saturday and I

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Speaker 5: looked at Fingersmith and I was like, Okay, I don't

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Speaker 5: So I went to my shelf where I keep all

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Speaker 2: I just bought.

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Speaker 1: I just bought two books literally like in a haze

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Speaker 2: We're going to make it free.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I will lend you this book so the book

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Speaker 5: It takes place entirely on a website where men review

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Speaker 5: gay male escorts, and it's all set in two thousand

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Speaker 5: So the book is all told through these reviews, through

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Speaker 5: If Tom Hanks murdered Meg Ryan and then like.

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Speaker 5: same week that I watched Video Drome for the first time.

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Speaker 5: And Dead Ringers is based off of a David Cronenberg

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Speaker 1: So reading Fundamental. Do you know what else is fundamental?

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Speaker 1: Suck session as you called it to me yesterday when

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Speaker 5: Yes a joke which I had definitely made before and

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Speaker 2: Have made it, and it got like ten thousand lies. No.

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Speaker 1: Last night's succession was another banger episode, you know, all

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Speaker 5: And I mean, Sarah snook emmy campaign is is.

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Speaker 5: I think I will be slightly disappointed if there's a

443
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Speaker 5: supernatural thing going on, but at least I'll like be

444
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 5: happy to know, rather than them trying to keep us guessing.

445
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Speaker 5: I don't think that's sustainable. Yeah, what do you think?

446
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Speaker 2: No?

447
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Speaker 1: I kind of agree with that. It does mix up

448
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: the genre quite a bit. I mean, supernatural stuff has

449
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: kind of been here since season one, but it's not

450
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Speaker 1: necessarily the show I wanted to see, the show you

451
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: wanted to see. But I'm appreciative of how it's like

452
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Speaker 1: coming down, like it's moving the action forward, and I

453
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Speaker 1: don't mind that. Are you watching the other two? Because

454
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: there's a kind of a tonal disstonance. I was catching

455
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Speaker 1: up on the other two, which just released new episodes.

456
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of virgins watch this like now

457
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: on HBO show that used to be on Comedy Central.

458
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Speaker 1: Show about a gay guy and a sister who has

459
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Speaker 1: a brother, a Justin Bieber esque brother that blows up

460
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: in popularity. The show's very funny, but I'm frustrated now

461
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: because the show wants to be a pie in the

462
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: sky absurdist comedy, like the most absolutely deranged things that

463
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: would never happen in real life. Happening in the show,

464
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: which I love very like broad City esque, but also

465
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: it's now and it's third season, really writing emotional realism,

466
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Speaker 1: like it wants to have serious conversations and like emotional

467
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Speaker 1: like you know, diatribes about like what these characters going through.

468
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Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, I can take

469
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Speaker 1: a comedy with heart, but not this, like all of

470
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Speaker 1: a sudden, it's trying.

471
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Speaker 2: To be a drama, like truly a drama.

472
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, dramedies have been so in vogue in the

473
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Speaker 5: past years, and like I've never watched the other two,

474
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Speaker 5: so I can't really speak to that, but I do

475
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Speaker 5: think to introduce that element season in h is off putting.

476
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 5: If that's if that's the kind of show you're going

477
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 5: to be, that's the kind of show you're going to be.

478
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 5: But I think it kind of has to be in

479
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 5: the DNA of your show from the beginning. Well, I

480
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 5: just wanted to get that off my chest, because I did.

481
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Speaker 5: I did watch it this week. Thank you for getting

482
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Speaker 5: off your breasts and dress. I think since we're talking,

483
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 5: we've been talking about TV, we should say that we

484
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 5: stand in solidarity with the writer's Gil absolutely and WGA

485
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 5: strong even though.

486
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Speaker 2: Neither of us are in it.

487
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: Not neither of us are in it, but we did

488
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Speaker 1: post an amazing Nicole Kiinman meme on the feed in

489
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Speaker 1: solidarity with the writers strikes.

490
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Speaker 5: Yes, give those girlies what they would deserve. Well, we

491
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Speaker 5: have a very exciting guest today, Tommy Dorfman, who is

492
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 5: an actress, IT girl director soon to be, so she

493
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Speaker 5: is here to talk about Spring Awakening, which, if you

494
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Speaker 5: aren't familiar, is a musical based on a German play

495
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 5: of the same name that's all about teens in the

496
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 5: old he Haw Germany discovering their sexuality, my sexuality, as

497
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 5: Jenna Moroni would say. It was famously on Broadway, originated

498
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 5: by the likes of Liam Michelle and Jonathan Groff. I

499
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 5: saw it many times in its original run, and both

500
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 5: of us are very familiar with the soundtrack. We also

501
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 5: went on a couple of tangents about things like friends

502
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 5: and I don't know, some other stuff. It's been a

503
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Speaker 5: while since we recorded the episode, but Alexa play Mama

504
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Speaker 5: who Bore Me by Liam Michelle. Now she's actually doing it,

505
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Speaker 5: Alexa stop.

506
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Speaker 4: There was like a brief overlap of Spring Awakening musical.

507
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Speaker 3: The bunke Ching musical og Lea Michelle Broadway cast and

508
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Speaker 3: I think Friends still being maybe on air.

509
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 5: Because what year did Friends? I think it ended when

510
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 5: I was still in high school. And I saw the

511
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Speaker 5: original run of Spring Awakening off Broadway this summer before

512
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Speaker 5: I went to college.

513
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Speaker 2: So summer of two thousand and six. Wow. Original Yeah,

514
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: Lea Michelle sat next to me on stage.

515
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Speaker 1: Oh, because that was the station where like folks were

516
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Speaker 1: on stage.

517
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Speaker 2: I mean they did that on Broadway too, but it

518
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: was a little more intimate.

519
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think at which theater the Atlantic? Oh slive

520
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Speaker 4: off Broadway work.

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Speaker 3: No, the first time I saw Spring Working was on

522
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Speaker 3: tour at the Fox Theater in Atlanta, Georgia in high school.

523
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: And were you a musical theater? I was gurly, of course, yeah, yeah,

524
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: that tracks. And how old were you?

525
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Speaker 4: I think I was a sophomore.

526
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Speaker 2: How old were you rose?

527
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Speaker 5: It was the summer before I went to college. My

528
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 5: friends and I all went on a trip together to

529
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Speaker 5: New York City the summer before we went to college,

530
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 5: and I was going to college in New York, so

531
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Speaker 5: it was more like a preview for me, and we

532
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 5: saw Spring Awakening. So one of us had heard about it.

533
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Speaker 5: It was kind of getting buzzy, and we saw it

534
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Speaker 5: off Broadway and I was gagged. I was like, this

535
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Speaker 5: is this is it? Because up until up until then,

536
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Speaker 5: I had only seen kind of the big musicals, right,

537
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 5: and this was I didn't know that a musical could.

538
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: Be like this.

539
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

540
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Speaker 3: No, I feel that way too, although I had seen

541
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Speaker 3: a touring production of Rent, which I guess was like.

542
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Speaker 2: In a lot of ways.

543
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Speaker 3: But I think, like for Spring Awakening, I came at

544
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: it having drowned myself in the soundtrack. So I remember

545
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: going to see it and knowing every single like word harmony.

546
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Speaker 3: We sang song of Purple Summer. At high school graduation

547
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: a couple of years later, we would do these musical

548
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: reviews that were student directed, and.

549
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Speaker 2: Everybody picked Spring Awakening.

550
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: Well, we would we would do like songs from different

551
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: musicals and then like weave them together in some very

552
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: unfashionable way.

553
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Speaker 5: It's actually so good that Spring Awakening didn't come out

554
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 5: until after I was out of high school. Otherwise I

555
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 5: would have been insufferable. Every theater competition would have been

556
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Speaker 5: a bitch of living. As I'm sure it was.

557
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Speaker 3: After I graduated, I still would sorry, like in college

558
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 3: sing some Spring Awakening.

559
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

560
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Speaker 1: Spring Awakening I think is like responsible for a generation

561
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Speaker 1: of insufferable adolescence for sure, I certainly.

562
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Speaker 2: I feel like so I saw it in high school

563
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Speaker 2: as well.

564
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Speaker 1: I had one of my friends in my like group

565
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: was like very wealthy and took like her whole friend

566
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Speaker 1: group to see Spring Awakening for her birthday.

567
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Speaker 2: Wow, And I was.

568
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, flu they got flued out.

569
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Speaker 1: No, actually it was it was the traveling. It was

570
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: the traveling. It was the touring production.

571
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 4: It was the traveling circus.

572
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: Yes, and it was in Chicago, So yeah, it was.

573
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Speaker 1: I remember just being like fully, I mean, we all

574
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: were listening to the soundtrack just as you were, like,

575
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Speaker 1: all the way like up to the performance.

576
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: So by the time we were there were like screaming.

577
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 5: Okay, So of the three of us, I'm the only

578
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 5: one who seen Jonathan Groff spit on Leah.

579
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Speaker 4: Michelle in person, did you guys?

580
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Speaker 5: Context, So why why did Spring Wakening sort of you know,

581
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Speaker 5: catch your imagination?

582
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Speaker 3: I think the sheer fagotry of it and being like

583
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Speaker 3: a self harm teenage drug addict, like all of those

584
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: things wrapped up in a little black silk dystopian.

585
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Speaker 4: Bow for me.

586
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 3: I also my entry point into it was like a

587
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: boy I had a crush on who was a couple

588
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Speaker 3: of years older than me, was going to Northwestern and

589
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: he was like, do you know this musical?

590
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: And you were like, yeah, of course I know. Yeah

591
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: I would.

592
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: I still to this day will say if I don't

593
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: know something, but I will learn it. Yeah, I will

594
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: learn it expediently. At the time for Dick, yeah white

595
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Speaker 3: lie occasion.

596
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: No, I didn't lie.

597
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: I said I didn't know it, but then I learned

598
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: it immediately, and I was like, yes, okay, I'm on this.

599
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: I'm on the same page as you.

600
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: He was named after a vegetable I won't say which one,

601
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: which I always thought was weird rude beiga, but before

602
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: the vegetable became really popular rise.

603
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: Tail, so Russell sprouts.

604
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Speaker 4: I know. I think I think all of those things.

605
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Speaker 3: I think, like any musical opening with like boobies was

606
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: so exciting to be as a kid, and just the

607
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: sexualization of that particular story and just the feeling. I

608
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: think I can't imagine a queer person of our generation

609
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: who wouldn't have been obsessed with Spring Awakening in some capacity.

610
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: You're very right.

611
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 5: And also I think is this litmus test within musical

612
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Speaker 5: theater of like are you a cool musical theater nerd

613
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 5: or are you a nerd musical theater right, because it

614
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 5: made like uncool theater kids feel like we had rock stars. True.

615
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, were you a theater kid? Girl? Yeah?

616
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Speaker 2: I was. We are.

617
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Speaker 1: Our high school was, like, I had a very robust

618
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Speaker 1: theater program. We did twelve shows a year, so many,

619
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Speaker 1: way too many.

620
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Speaker 2: And that is like the school year summer stock we.

621
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Speaker 3: Did too, It was we did too. We did we

622
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Speaker 3: did to main stage production. Yeah, like no, we just

623
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Speaker 3: had one main stage.

624
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Speaker 4: But I went to a really small school.

625
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: I went to a big public school and we had

626
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Speaker 1: a big theater program. And so I you know, became

627
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: a workaholic at a high school age and was working

628
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Speaker 1: on multiple productions at a time during my school year,

629
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Speaker 1: like whether that was like assistant directing or like stage

630
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Speaker 1: managing or being a part of the crew or whatever.

631
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Speaker 1: Doing social yeah, doing doing yeah, so doing social media management,

632
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Speaker 1: spring and waginning. I think it's just like there's something

633
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: about it that I like, I was listening to it

634
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: again this morning. I hadn't listened to it in Ages,

635
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, it just is it perfectly encapsulates

636
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: all this angst that we wanted to channel when we

637
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: were like fifteen sixteen, I know, like the characters I

638
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: think are like fourteen in the original play. Leah Michelle

639
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: was fourteen when she started workshopping this. Yeah, which is

640
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: Kuckoo Bananas.

641
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: She's too young, Yeah, very young, but.

642
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 4: She was very, very perfect.

643
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: And I think Leah and Jonathan Groff were like two

644
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: of the most prevalent voices of that generation of Broadway

645
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: and so but.

646
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: Also like perfectly streamlined into the Glee obsession of my

647
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 3: high school.

648
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: Oh you're a gleek. I was a gleek.

649
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: Of course I was a gleek. Of course I was

650
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 3: a gleek. And I think just the shared history and

651
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 3: admiration of both of those things, and like knowing where

652
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: Leah Michelle came from.

653
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: Was sort of like a cool card to play, right.

654
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 3: Watching that audition over and over and over again where

655
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 3: she like slaps the producer of Glee in the face

656
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: when she's auditioning for Rachel Barry.

657
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Speaker 4: Have you seen this? No, please watch this later, Please

658
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 4: somebody describe it.

659
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Leah Michelle is doing on my own, Okay, this

660
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: is a song. And then she's doing a scene with

661
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: what I think would have been like, yeah, the late

662
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: great Coreymntee's character, but she it's like a chemistry. Read

663
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: the story goes that on her way to this like

664
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 3: final audition for Glee, she got into a car accident

665
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: and there was a glass still in her hair and

666
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: like in her body and face when she showed up,

667
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 3: didn't tell anybody, and then like away through the scene.

668
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: In the scene, she slaps Corey in the face and

669
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: she walks past camera and you just hear her go

670
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: to whoever's reading with her, and the whole room like

671
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: erupted in laughter. And then she she iconically is like

672
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: that wasn't supposed to be funny, funny, but it was

673
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: very Rachel, Barry, Lea, Michelle merging together as one. I

674
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 3: also think it's really crazy that like she ever had

675
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: to audition for this. I understand it, I guess, but

676
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: it felt so clear to me that like Ryan Murphy

677
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 3: had written this part for her, and like has always

678
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: been inspired by Broadway and like finding ways to bring

679
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 3: the theater into like film and television.

680
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: For better or worse.

681
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 4: And I also remember.

682
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 3: That pilot just being like one of the best still

683
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: I think, like one of the best TV pilots.

684
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: Of all time. It's an incredible I used to have.

685
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 4: It was supposed to not be a network show.

686
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: I think it was like an FX show originally or something,

687
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: so it was cable and it was supposed to be

688
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: much darker.

689
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 5: I would have liked the darker version because I think

690
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 5: I think that's what that's what hooked me right at

691
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 5: the beginning. It was a very different show than what

692
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 5: it eventually became, and I really liked that first season

693
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 5: and then when it started being about like bullying and

694
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 5: then I.

695
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 3: School shooting by oh my god, I forgot about that

696
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: school shooting.

697
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: Yes in the Glee and season two or three. Yeah,

698
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: And that was the same thing with Pose too. It's

699
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: like when Ryan got the script, the pilot that Steve

700
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: had written was like dark and angsty and like did

701
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: not leave a lot of hope. And I think that

702
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: like Ryan is really like attracted to that like dichotomy

703
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: of something that's like dark and angsty but like still

704
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: has this like campy levity to it. And so that's

705
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: why I pose is you know, they they rewrote it

706
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: obviously over and over again, as you do with every pilot.

707
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like, so I don't know what

708
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: you know. If you know this about me, tell me.

709
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: But I grew up super religious. I was like in

710
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: a super duper sheltered like family. Every one of the ever,

711
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: all the virgins at home are like, yes, yes, we

712
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: know Fran, like they've heard the story over and over again.

713
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: But like that what there was not a more perfect

714
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: musical to like comment too my periphery at the time

715
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: in my life where I was like, oh, I don't

716
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: think I believe in God anymore.

717
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: And that's literally exactly like I was probably like sixteen.

718
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 4: So so to sum it up spring awakening major an atheists, you.

719
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: Know, I had read I had to read God is

720
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: totally fucked.

721
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: I was on the cusp of atheism at the time.

722
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: I think I still kind of had a light belief

723
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: in God that was like wavering. And at the time

724
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: I was also experiencing high school relationship, like a cooi

725
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: relationship with a boy in my school, and it was

726
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: so everything about it felt hidden. It felt like something

727
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: that you know, was at odds with you know, my family,

728
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: with my belief systems and like this show like really

729
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: encapsulated everything that I was feeling, even though it's like

730
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: obviously it's so stupid to think about like high schoolers

731
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: trying to relate to something that's like so extreme and

732
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: so dark, but it is kind of like Skins or

733
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, like all these it.

734
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 3: Is the teenage experience like totally, and there's also something

735
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: really like private about it because it was like we

736
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: had iPods or a version of we had like MB

737
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 3: three priors with most kids that like of our generation

738
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: had some access to a laptop or like a computer

739
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: with some private time, and I remember like it felt

740
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: like a shared secret or something like it wasn't supposed

741
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: to necessarily. I mean I grew very differently in a

742
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: household that was like incredibly I.

743
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 4: Would say, like like two funerals. So I remember when

744
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 4: I went to see it.

745
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: I remember like getting drunk like with my friends, and

746
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: I think like my mom before seeing it or something like,

747
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 3: and I remember being like very very very tipsy in

748
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 3: the theater like in high school, but still like this

749
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: auditory exclusively like auditory experience of like having this music

750
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: to like lean back on and rely on and like

751
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: walk to school with or whatever felt really intimate.

752
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: Favorite song totally.

753
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: It was totally fucked for me, just because like just

754
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: like the everything that was like repressed about me, like

755
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: got let out in that song, you know what I mean.

756
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: Like we were We've talked before about like when during

757
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: the Panic of the disco era, where like you know,

758
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: we as high school high schoolers, us as like teenagers,

759
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: we were like waiting for the moment to say like harror,

760
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, just scream hohorror along with the song. And

761
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: with this it was like, of course we're all like waiting, waiting,

762
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: waiting to say totally fucked, you know what I mean,

763
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Like because.

764
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: We got to getting away with something bad.

765
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: Yes, we got to scream along to a song where

766
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: like fuck was in the chorus and that was like.

767
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: That was crazy. That was crazy to me. I could

768
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: not fathom it, And yeah, it was. It was really liberating.

769
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: My favorite is the Dark I know.

770
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 5: Well, of course as a you know, traumatized little pre

771
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 5: girl really latched onto that. What about you, Tommy, she's

772
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 5: scanning the track player, you know, I think it has

773
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 5: to be Don't Do Sadness, Slash Blue Wind so good.

774
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: Oh that girl with the braids.

775
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: Remind me that song again. What's like the kind of

776
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: emotional cooks of that of that song.

777
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: It's the one where Moritz Moritz.

778
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: Is singing basically like before death he himself, before he

779
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: unlives himself and runs into that weld. Wendla runs into

780
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 3: when La and she's like, come play with me, and

781
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 3: he's like, I got business.

782
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: He's like, I got business to a tint too. The

783
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: names in this musical, I mean, it's amazing. Something that

784
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: must be said is that because this show was like

785
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: adapted from like a German stage play in the late

786
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, they all have crazy archaic names like they have.

787
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: They're all named like melchi Or and Moritz, and like

788
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm just like, what are these kids names?

789
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: I love it.

790
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 5: We should we should bring back trans little baby Trance

791
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 5: is out there when you're picking those chosen names.

792
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, go back to the old tech. Yeah, awesome, Tommy

793
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: Lease whole auto.

794
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 5: You you saying unlive yourselves is just making me think

795
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 5: of like this. I know that's like TikTok speak because

796
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, people have started talking that way

797
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 5: because they don't want to get like their you know content,

798
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 5: you know, Shadow Band by the body.

799
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is.

800
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 5: Like I do feel like the the the prudification of

801
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 5: gen z is like indirect opposition to what we were growing.

802
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: When we would just like the word and everybody like

803
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 3: watch Pretty Awakening and like didn't have We weren't worried

804
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: about that type of censorship because we didn't have like well,

805
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: we had photos that were posted like by the dozen,

806
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: for me at least on Facebook, Like I still have

807
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: my Facebook history from before I deleted my Facebook. I

808
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: like downloaded it, and it's like it's crazy to me

809
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: because I would post like hundreds of photos at a time,

810
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 3: but uh, they were all super inappropriate though to your point,

811
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 3: Like it was like I had like two cigarettes in

812
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: my mouth and like it was like like biting on

813
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: someone's Tit like.

814
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: Like like as you should have been like high school

815
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 4: party chaos.

816
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 3: And we didn't have the sort of globalization of social media.

817
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: We had like the intimacy of it between friends and

818
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: friends of friends and it was very like am I

819
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: going to accept your friend request or not? It hadn't

820
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: there was no this idea of like followers didn't exist,

821
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: like this idea of uh sort of gratification via likes comments,

822
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: et cetera wasn't at all developed in the way that

823
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: it is now, and I don't think like Instagram didn't

824
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: come into my life until college.

825
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm I'm grateful that we.

826
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 3: Didn't have that sort of purification if as you phrased

827
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: it so beautifully like when I'm on TikTok, I do

828
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 3: feel for some of the ways in which like these

829
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: kids have had to create as a militial to I've

830
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 3: like picked it up this unlived but I do think

831
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: I think because I went through so much like pr

832
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: training around thirteen reasons why and like how to talk

833
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 3: about suicide and alive actually just feels like a a

834
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 3: cleaner way of saying died by suicide to me or like,

835
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: and I understand the sort of protocols have at all.

836
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: But I ultimately, yeah, I definitely have picked up some

837
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: like stupid jargon.

838
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: I mean, we all have, it's ingrained in us now.

839
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: I don't think hold, I don't think it's stupid.

840
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: I think it's it's like a euphemism to to not

841
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: glamor and also like reframe the ways that you know,

842
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: we think about suicide, and it's like I think it's

843
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 1: better than just like not talking about it at all

844
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: because we're all kids.

845
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: Thinking about this stuff.

846
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: And and unfortunately, like musicals and other cultural objects like

847
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: Spring Awakening, we're glamorizing it for a lack of a

848
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: better way of putting it, like maybe not glamorizing, but

849
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: it was.

850
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 5: There's any but there's a romanticism to it in certain

851
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 5: theater in movies.

852
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I watched Romeo.

853
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 5: Plus Juliet and watched Leo and Claire kill themselves, and

854
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 5: I was like, I want to do it too, and saying.

855
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: I've tried Tommy like a Romeo plus Juliet. Wait, you

856
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 2: said Romeo plus Julia bad, Well you haven't got me. Yes,

857
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: you're I'm rubbing up.

858
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 4: That is the poster.

859
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you watch that? Were you a fig of

860
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 2: course as Learmon?

861
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 4: Of course I was and am.

862
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: Of course I had boyfriends that I would like scream onwards.

863
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 4: The musical movie.

864
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: Songs with like speeding down Peachtree Street in Atlanta where

865
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: I grew up actually referenced stills from Romeo plus Juliet.

866
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 3: And for my movie, my first movie that I just

867
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 3: finished making, and there's like that the scene with all

868
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: the candle light like the sex can't.

869
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: Like.

870
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: I was like, that's there's some of the most beautiful

871
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: imagery in that film, in particular, like the fish tang, the.

872
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: Mish tang, like come on piercing you.

873
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 4: Bas Lehman's a trans icon.

874
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I don't think a little

875
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 2: bit like it away.

876
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 5: Elvis is kind of as a little trans mass Marcutio.

877
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 5: I would say Leo is trans mass obviously literally obviously

878
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 5: RuPaul brought you know, not trans at all.

879
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: Sorry drag queens to mainstream media. But I would say

880
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: bas Learmon was maybe doing it first, yeah, like actors,

881
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: And I was like thinking, I love when actors do drag,

882
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: like really beautiful character work that also is like cinematic

883
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: drag like Housi Gucci.

884
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 4: I'm not sure it's all beautiful character work.

885
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: What I will say is like everyone in that movie,

886
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: except for Adam Driver, is a drag quean.

887
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 4: And the best way possible can.

888
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 5: We all do a father son house of Gucci one, two, three, five.

889
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: Gucci? We all did that forehead shoulder shoulder.

890
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 5: At you actually give us two topics for today, and

891
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 5: I think we should discuss.

892
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so we've done a second one I.

893
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 4: Did all my album.

894
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: We'll vacillate between the two.

895
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 5: And now we're going to talk about friends, my personal

896
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 5: arch nemesis, and I want to give that some context

897
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 5: to that by talking about why so my brother and

898
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 5: his wife, who are like the straightest straight people who

899
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 5: have ever lived, love friends, Like they just watch friends

900
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 5: all the time, and in fact, at their wedding both

901
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 5: of them mentioned friends in.

902
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: Their vows, and that is sis culture.

903
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 5: My sister in law, sister who was the maid of honor,

904
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 5: in her speech at the reception, you know how every

905
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 5: friend's episode is like the one where something something, So

906
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 5: her speech was split up into sections and they were

907
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 5: things like the one where my sister. No, it's like

908
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 5: the one where my sister met the man of her dreams.

909
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: Oh no, we will let me love that.

910
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: That's so, that's like if that you can love.

911
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: I'm a hater.

912
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a hater with you. Honestly, that's really cheesy.

913
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: Sorry you heard it here? Why not first?

914
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: I'm sure, but when you said friends, I like my

915
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: jaw dropped. Tommy.

916
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: I was like yes, yes and yes and yes, Like

917
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: that is so perfect. It's something that has it's kind

918
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: of bizarre now that when you go to hot topic,

919
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: it's not like you know, Timburton paraphernalia. It's like T

920
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: shirts with the Friends.

921
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: Central Perk like logo T shirt.

922
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: Yes, and it has this like nostalgic quality that has

923
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: been re enlivened by gen Z but like as omnipotent

924
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: in our generation, you know, like that's really interesting.

925
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 2: I think.

926
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 3: Also, they did the Central Park thing in the city

927
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, and it was on the

928
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: street that I was living on with Kaya, and it

929
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: was like we would leave and it would just be

930
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: like chaos Central Perk all the time. But I always,

931
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: like very very much wanted to experience that, but I couldn't.

932
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: I couldn't fathom doing it in those circumstances. Just felt

933
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 3: like very stressful. And I also feel like again Friends

934
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 3: for me was a communal thing, but it was also

935
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 3: it's still a very like private and personal thing because

936
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: for many many many years instill to this day, it's

937
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 3: like what I put.

938
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,479
Speaker 4: On to help me fall asleep.

939
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: If I can't say it's your comfort show, it's so comfortable,

940
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 3: I know it's so.

941
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 2: Well.

942
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 3: And then also because it's sort of like I was

943
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: talking to someone who was in the original class of Hamilton,

944
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: and I was like, how is it You're on your

945
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: like thirtieth year and he was like, I literally forgot

946
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 3: my lines the other night, Like this was a couple

947
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: of years ago, when he was still doing the show.

948
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 3: He was like, I've been doing this for so long

949
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: that I forgot the show. Like in a way like

950
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 3: it's been It's like I've gone through so many phases

951
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 3: of like and to me with Friends, it's like I

952
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: know that show like the back of my hand, and

953
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: yet like I also would struggle to like bring up

954
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: every single detail of it because I've watched it so.

955
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 4: Many times in and out of niousness, like bec.

956
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a trans character on the trans character, let's

957
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: Chandler's dad, Tadler's Daddler's or if Chandler's dad's anything like

958
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 3: Caitlyn Jenner and Chandler's dad.

959
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: The one on My Friends is like Coco Melon for adults.

960
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 5: What is Coco Cocomelan is like one of those shows

961
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 5: that they put on for kids that.

962
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 3: Oh, my niece the other night and was like it

963
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: was three am. Crawled in the bed with me in Colorado,

964
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: was with my family obviously, and she woke me up

965
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: and she's like, I can't sleep.

966
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 4: She's like four, She's like, I can't sleep. Can we

967
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 4: watch Blue?

968
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: And I didn't know what Blue he was, but Blue

969
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: sounds like one of those shows too. It's like the

970
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: show like the kids watch. It's these like micro eight

971
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: minute episodes.

972
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: It's for them to associate too. It's like it's like

973
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: Visual Academy's.

974
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 5: Okay, can you remind me of the storyline around Chandler's

975
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 5: was like a.

976
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: Parent I really wanted to it was a performer who

977
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 3: then ultimately I think, did transition, like was a drag

978
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 3: queen turn transfeme maybe like in Vegas.

979
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 4: I just remember them going to that show at some point.

980
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 2: Played by assist woman.

981
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, play by assist man.

982
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

983
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: It was the nineties after all.

984
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: I think because it was the nineties, there was there's

985
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: lack of clarity in the obviously and how it's written

986
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: and how they were probably thinking about the character about

987
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: about Chandler's quote unquote mom, Dad's like gender because like

988
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: you know, in theory, like Chandler's quote unquote dad could

989
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: be a cross dresser and not a trans person. Totally

990
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: trans Yeah, that's kind of the way they frame it.

991
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: But also like we we have no way of knowing

992
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: right how good we know?

993
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: Some things are better left on said that's true, which

994
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: which friend would you say that you are?

995
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 4: M question? Would say, because I'm Baby, I'm Rachel.

996
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: You are Rachel. I don't think there's any other answer.

997
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 3: I know, I think like I'm definitely not Ross. I'm

998
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 3: definitely not Chandler. I have Monica tendencies at home around

999
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: like doing the dishes, for example, and like the cleanliness

1000
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 3: of things at times. But I would say overall, I

1001
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: have the like very I have at my core, I'm

1002
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 3: a Rachel.

1003
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 5: Okay, who do you think we are? Because I don't.

1004
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 5: I'm not like well versed. I know, I think, Okay,

1005
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 5: who are you are here?

1006
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm Monica Crystal Clear. I'm Monica. Unfortunately I wish

1007
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: I wasn't. But I've done a lot of searching and

1008
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: it was like Monica or like Ross, I might be Chandler.

1009
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 4: You actually are Chandler of Chandler.

1010
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: I actually think you are Chandler, Like if you had

1011
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 3: that kind of nine to five, because it like you

1012
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 3: would I have. Yeah, and you come in with the

1013
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: singers and singer. Yeah, I think like you're my dad's.

1014
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 4: If I can really, I don't know version if I

1015
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 4: think about my introduction.

1016
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 3: To yours was like Twitter and like you're really and

1017
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: you're an incredible tweeter and that Chandler would have a.

1018
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 2: Fire fire.

1019
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 4: Could I Could I be any more? Trip?

1020
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: Could I be anymore? So? I don't know, I'd be

1021
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: like Chandler.

1022
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, like was just this like really there was something

1023
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: really dark about him because he was so out of

1024
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: step with his like own emotions and that was something

1025
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: he was constantly like coming up against. It's like he

1026
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: used comedy to deflect and.

1027
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,959
Speaker 5: He was a smoker and he was the last time

1028
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 5: you could smoke in a sitcom.

1029
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1030
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: I mean in many ways, that show like solidified my

1031
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: knee to move to New York or a version of

1032
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 3: New York like.

1033
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: That with the LA version of New York.

1034
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I didn't know any better.

1035
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: Like that with the Sex and the City sort of

1036
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: like came together and made me feel lots of feelings

1037
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 3: about the city in particular growing up in Georgia. But God,

1038
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 3: it's like I'm trying, I'm struggling to think who my

1039
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: Phoebe is in my life.

1040
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 4: I was thinking about that.

1041
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: Everyone has like a Phoebe, this kind of like person

1042
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: that pops in and out and does completely random things.

1043
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: They're like spacey friend who is.

1044
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: Tons of past lives, a many vibes, many past lives,

1045
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 3: has somehow like survived everything.

1046
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: As an evil twin for some reason.

1047
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 5: Has named I remind my remembering all this friend stuff

1048
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 5: because I all know friends against It was always this

1049
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 5: is the thing with friends. It's because like I grew

1050
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 5: up in the nineties, it was always on in the background.

1051
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 5: I never actively watched it because I was never into it.

1052
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 5: I was a Will and Grace girl.

1053
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I like Dwell and Grace a lot.

1054
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: I was not a Seinfeld girl.

1055
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 4: I was not a Seinfeld girl either, But for.

1056
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 5: Friends was always around. I watched a lot of it,

1057
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 5: but it was never my thing. I'm just dipping if

1058
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 5: you can hear that. It's just my bag and I'm

1059
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 5: grabbing some glass game.

1060
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: Can you do some as Mr Ring for the Virgin.

1061
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 4: Bomb dot com Swiss miss bomb dot com.

1062
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry, Swiss Miss Flavor. I'm judging you. You

1063
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: like this out of every flavor you picked, Swiss miss.

1064
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: To be fair, they've gifted me all of them. So

1065
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: it's just a matter of like what's in what bag?

1066
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 3: Got not to be Rachel about.

1067
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: It, but you are Rachel, and eventually you will get

1068
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: the Rachel haircut at some point.

1069
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 3: Naturally I will have to, especially when I have like

1070
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: kids or something. I think also like I was a

1071
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: retail girly. I was a fashion girly. Like still am

1072
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 3: a sort of fashion file in a lot of ways.

1073
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: But before acting and working in entertainment, I was working

1074
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 3: in retail.

1075
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 5: And what was her job? She worked at Rolph Lauren. Yeah,

1076
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 5: she was like a buyer. How did she get there?

1077
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 5: From the show when the show started?

1078
00:54:59,120 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: When the show.

1079
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: Started, saying, so there's like a certain amount of like

1080
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 3: jenness a Quah and privilege and looking like Jennifer Anistander.

1081
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 2: Certain amount of Elgebuqua and.

1082
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 3: Also like the delusions of her, like the ability to

1083
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 3: just be like.

1084
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 5: El if you have that haircut, you can and you

1085
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 5: can kind of make shit happen.

1086
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think like, if you look good in clothes,

1087
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 3: you can work in fashion.

1088
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 4: Actually, Like that's literally like so you.

1089
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 3: Know, and I don't think I think for her, she

1090
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 3: she as I think.

1091
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 4: She was like as a shop beer, I know what

1092
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 4: people want to buy.

1093
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's what she said in her interview and

1094
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 3: the guy was just drooling over her. Do you remember

1095
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 3: when Chandler was briefly dating Rachel's boss and then got

1096
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 3: like locked in her office like naked with handcuffs on,

1097
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 3: like a like a sexy lunch date. Oh yea, because

1098
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 3: the boss was like it was like a kinky, perpetually

1099
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 3: single like girl boss in her like late forties.

1100
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: I forgot about that, honestly.

1101
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: I feel like that all of the episodes kind of

1102
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: like meshed together in your head and you're like, what happened?

1103
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 2: That was the one where the that was season six

1104
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: or something.

1105
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 5: I love I love Chandla Ross Handler.

1106
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: Ever present a question in the culture as a Rachel

1107
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: do you think that Rachel, you know, was meant to

1108
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: be with Ross? Do you think that when she got

1109
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: with Joey was totally like wedged in Like a lot

1110
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: of people feel like when she got with Joey it

1111
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: made no sense.

1112
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: But do you think that who who is Rachel's sole me?

1113
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 4: I think getting with I think Ross is Rachel sow

1114
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 4: me for better or worse? For her her cell mat

1115
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 4: for her sell Ma.

1116
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 3: I think Joey makes a lot of sense because in

1117
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 3: so many ways he's the opposite. He plays the opposite

1118
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 3: of Ross, right, and like that's why they work in

1119
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: a room, and that's why their humor works, because Ross

1120
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 3: is like hyper intellectual and intelligence and Joey's like a

1121
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: little like duf this goofball. He was so hot in

1122
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 3: the early season, and I think, like, I think it

1123
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense that we child would sort

1124
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 3: of rebound with Joey and then find him really like

1125
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 3: endearing and find some love there. Like it wouldn't just

1126
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 3: be like a one off thing, like if you're getting

1127
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: fucked like that, presumably Joy was fucking very well. Oh yeah, Oh,

1128
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 3: I had a reputation going, you know, and then eventually

1129
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 3: like she sort of meanders back into stability with Ross.

1130
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 4: We were on upbreak and his kid col Dylan's Prouse.

1131
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: Wait is that who played it? Really? Yeah? Star of

1132
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: your upcoming movie.

1133
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: Col Dylan'sprosse plays Ross's kid.

1134
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 5: Oh and also Ross's ex wife was a lesbian, Yeah,

1135
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 5: and that was very you know, and in the.

1136
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 3: Beginning it's like kind of a cool lesbian, like not

1137
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 3: it wasn't like I mean, there was some definitely homophobic remarks,

1138
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 3: but like, oh absolutely very truthful to like what a

1139
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 3: straight man would have said at that time.

1140
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 5: It was I mean, I listen, I'm not going to

1141
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 5: say The Friends was surprisingly queer, but like it was,

1142
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 5: it was a more honest depiction of I think what

1143
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 5: what like metropolitan life would have been for these people?

1144
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 5: Then we would have gotten on like a CBS sitcom.

1145
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, are there characters that you so obviously these

1146
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: characters are like the siss straightest characters all except for

1147
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: Chandler's dad. Except for Chandler's dad. But of the six,

1148
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: do you do you think or maybe if there's anybody

1149
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: else in this like ensemble, do.

1150
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: You think any of these folks were eventually queer after

1151
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: the show ended.

1152
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 5: I mean maybe had to have babe right, but also.

1153
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: Happily married to a man.

1154
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: But I do think she's definitely like scissored a few

1155
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: girls in her life.

1156
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 5: Sure, But I also have found that it is like

1157
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 5: the crunchiest like sis straight girls in your life who

1158
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 5: you think will be so down, who are actually like

1159
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 5: the most tied to the heteropatriarchy, yeah, and have never

1160
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 5: done anything.

1161
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: Literally, I actually feel like Monica is the repress lesbian

1162
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 3: maybe out of.

1163
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: All Yes, I could.

1164
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 3: Yes, Rachel's certainly straight. Phoebe I could see being like

1165
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: a really like very very like Anti five g or

1166
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 3: right now, very straight with like seventeen kids with that

1167
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 3: hot guy who I think is also in se right,

1168
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 3: the same guy who plays Aiden plays her?

1169
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 4: Is that true? I don't know, actually.

1170
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: Does end up with Paul Rudd?

1171
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 3: Is Paul which has this Paul Rudd has a similar

1172
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 3: energy to the guy who plays Aiden, So I think that's.

1173
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: Where John Confused would suck.

1174
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: I also feel I mean, there's a world I think

1175
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: where if there's like a Friend's reboot or whatever, I

1176
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: feel like Phoebe would be the one that was like transamorous,

1177
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: Like she gets like a like a sexy trans but

1178
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: you're like no, Tommy's like no, no, no, I don't know.

1179
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: I think she's a terf.

1180
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 5: Actually Phoebe's a term.

1181
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see it. From Phoebe's evil. I couldn't

1182
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: see Ursula. No, I could see Ursula.

1183
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 4: With a trans man.

1184
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe Ursula film Phoebe's fraternal twin who transitions.

1185
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 4: Oh, and that's why Phoebe hates her so much. No

1186
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 4: smelly cats.

1187
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: I think Chandler is By.

1188
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 4: Maybe I could see by energy.

1189
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: For think Chandler sucked to Dick in college. I don't

1190
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: know if he is By personally.

1191
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 4: I don't.

1192
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 2: I think he's been in a dark room in his

1193
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: life or two.

1194
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 3: I actually think Joey is probably By in some capacity,

1195
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 3: and like fluid.

1196
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm also just remembering now, Okay, we said earlier that

1197
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,959
Speaker 1: Chandler's quote unquote dad was played by a man, which

1198
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: which he was for some of which they was a

1199
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: woman sis woman at the end, and like the last season,

1200
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: I think a sis woman came in and played Chandler's

1201
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: quote unquote dad, because.

1202
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 5: That was the thing with any sort of Transish characters,

1203
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 5: you know, they would always be played by sis women

1204
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 5: to like heighten the joke of like you used to

1205
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 5: be a man.

1206
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it's very ugly, Betty. Yeah, it's very ugly, Betty.

1207
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah right oheut of its time. Did you have a

1208
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: favorite episode?

1209
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 3: Well, I love when they go on vacation, like the

1210
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: London for Ross's London wedding.

1211
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 2: It's like we.

1212
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 4: Look for the first It's such a fun little moment

1213
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 4: I think there's an episode.

1214
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 3: I don't know why it's coming to my head, but

1215
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: like I love all the present day stuff with Monica

1216
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 3: and Ross's parents, like whenever they're in the picture, I

1217
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 3: just think they're really funny. And there's an episode where,

1218
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 3: like Monica Cater's is invited to cater something for the

1219
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 3: first time for her parents, and she loses a fingernail

1220
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: in like one of the Shepherd's pies or whatever she's making,

1221
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 3: which is really funny, Like she it's a fake fingernails.

1222
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 3: She really wants to impress her mom, so she's wearing

1223
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 3: like press ons.

1224
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 5: Friends always makes me think of Thanksgiving because they always

1225
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 5: did thinks.

1226
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like the Turkey Head.

1227
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 3: Well they all those shows used to do these every

1228
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 3: they cool they were, they were on every week. I

1229
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 3: also used to watch it with my family every week.

1230
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: So really like it was like we must see tea.

1231
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 3: We went from Seventh Heaven to Friends weekly basically Seventh Heaven,

1232
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: I know, and I was not religion, We were not religious,

1233
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 3: but Jessica Bill.

1234
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: Forever we were not allowed to watch Friends.

1235
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 3: Jessca Bill is actually the archetype for me, Like she's

1236
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 3: like she's the blueprint She's the blueprint. Jessca Bill is

1237
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 3: like the rebellious Christian daughter on Seventh Heaven who then

1238
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 3: did eventually leave the show because she was like, onto,

1239
01:01:58,600 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 3: bigger and better.

1240
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: Were you allowed to watch Seventh Heaven?

1241
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: We were, We were allowed to watch Seventh Heaven, but

1242
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: we didn't as a family, We didn't really watch it, like,

1243
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, religiously, even though we were religiously emphasis on religious.

1244
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: We were not allowed to watch Friends. Forbidden in my household.

1245
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: And when I was like, you know, I would say

1246
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: in my like late like preteen years or maybe like yeah,

1247
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: preteen years, still in high school. Though I remember like

1248
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: at this point I was starting to make choices for

1249
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: myself about like what I could watch and what I

1250
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: couldn't watch. Still wasn't allowed to watch Friends, but like

1251
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, I was, I was becoming an adult, and

1252
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: I knew that my mom watched Friends as a comfort show,

1253
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: Like I knew that she would engage in it even

1254
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: though she was she wouldn't allow us to watch it,

1255
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: like it was her kind of quote unquote guilty pleasure

1256
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: or whatever. And so one Christmas, a Christmas that we

1257
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: spent with my mom's family in Colorado, I found a

1258
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: box set of Friends. I don't even remember what season,

1259
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: but I found a box set of Friends at like

1260
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: Borders or whatever, and I got it from my mom

1261
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: for Christmas. And I was like I thought I was

1262
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: being thoughtful and like just being like, hey, like I

1263
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, especially when you're when you're that age, just

1264
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: like you're learning how to give gifts, You're learning how

1265
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: to like express love. I'm a big giver. And my mom,

1266
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: who was opening this present in front of like our

1267
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: entire family, saw like a peak of like the friend's

1268
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: logo or whatever, and she just kind of like immediately

1269
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: left the room. Yes, and she and I remember, and

1270
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: I like what I remember, like just kind of being

1271
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: like oh, and she was just.

1272
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: Like I just don't want I don't want my sisters

1273
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: to see. And she like put it in her bag

1274
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: and she was like, thank you for the gift. Oh wow.

1275
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 2: It was.

1276
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: It was such an intense moment and it actually speaks,

1277
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: it speaks volumes about like the relationship I had with

1278
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: my mom.

1279
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 2: But like it was her shame. Oh my gosh. That

1280
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 2: isn't yes, it's not even that controversial. I honestly think

1281
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 2: you people should be ashamed of liking friends.

1282
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 3: Were like, I think, wow, that's really interesting.

1283
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 4: I feel like, do you have a relationship their mom?

1284
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. My parents were we're cool now yeah,

1285
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: and they're chill. They're very very chill. Now they'll watch friends,

1286
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 2: will watch Friends together. It doesn't matter.

1287
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 4: Great. Yeah, so now you're allowed to watch Friends.

1288
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 2: I'm fine at that stage of my life, we're not

1289
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 2: allowed to watch. When HBO Max bought it, you were

1290
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 2: allowed to watch it.

1291
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 4: Bought it back. I think.

1292
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, was it controversial?

1293
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,439
Speaker 3: I guess there were some themes around it that would

1294
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 3: have been inappropriate to watch as a kid. It's literally

1295
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 3: but it was all like in the windows though, right

1296
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 3: a little bit.

1297
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 4: I yeah, maybe.

1298
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: Anything that anything that referenced sex, that sex that depicted

1299
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: like two naked bodies and a bed waking up in

1300
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: the way that they do, and.

1301
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 2: Sitcoms are like, well what do we just do?

1302
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: Which is like the Chandler Moniker, I wake up every

1303
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: morning every another naked body.

1304
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: You're like, what the what? Yeah? Yeah, oh no.

1305
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 5: Yeah that was a gasp awake every morning, Like I'm

1306
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 5: Phoebe and charmed having a premonition.

1307
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 2: In my household, in my household, the things that were forbidden.

1308
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: It was not.

1309
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes it was about swearing, but it wasn't

1310
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: about like violencer guns. It was about sex, and sex

1311
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: was what they were protecting me from. And that's why,

1312
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, Spring Awakening was so radical to me too.

1313
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: It's like I was, you know, these these set things,

1314
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: sexual things, like you know Romeo plus Julia bas Lerman Rent,

1315
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: which we were talking about before we started recording, about

1316
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: this kind of predecessor to Spring Awakening, Like I wasn't.

1317
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 4: That the pop rock musical.

1318
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, Rent really is the blueprint for Spring Awakening. And

1319
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not a Rent girly. I never was,

1320
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 5: but I am a Spring Awakening girly.

1321
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: Really. Yeah, why Spring Awakening and not Rent? I don't know.

1322
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 5: And like the thing is, I'm extremely literate when it

1323
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 5: comes to Rent, you know, like I've seen it, I

1324
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 5: know the music.

1325
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 4: I had that.

1326
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 2: Double CD box set, we know, But it wasn't.

1327
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 5: Like I was always when it came to musical theater,

1328
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 5: I was like more fabulous in what I was seeking out,

1329
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 5: Like Phantom of the Opera is my favorite show, Like

1330
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 5: I like.

1331
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 2: A big musical spectacle.

1332
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 5: And then I don't know, I guess Spring Awakening like

1333
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 5: hit me at the right time where I was looking

1334
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 5: for the intimacy that it provided. And I think it's

1335
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 5: also like the dunk and cheek of it all. It

1336
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,479
Speaker 5: like is good, you know indie rock community. It's really

1337
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 5: good music and I love.

1338
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 4: Very good lyrics.

1339
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: What else did Duncan do?

1340
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,959
Speaker 5: He wrote that song Barely Breathing from the nineties where

1341
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 5: that is in the episode of Girls where booth Jonathan

1342
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 5: traps Marnie and the thing with all the TVs and

1343
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 5: it plays on a loop.

1344
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 4: Do you like Girls?

1345
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 2: I love Girls too? It is I.

1346
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 5: I have revisited it so many times after it came

1347
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 5: off the air, and every time I watch it, I

1348
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 5: like it more and more. I think, I think it

1349
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 5: is just fine and like so it was so ahead

1350
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 5: of its time, but also so talk.

1351
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 3: About it like Lena really redefined television and like what

1352
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 3: you could do with television, and like the intimacy and

1353
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 3: the groundedness of like bringing indie movies into television and

1354
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 3: like table television spaces.

1355
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: A Sprouse is in one in your in an upcoming

1356
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: filed Tommy, what can you what can you tell the virgins?

1357
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 3: In this very early stage, I mean, Cole Sprousse is

1358
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 3: in my movie. He plays this like small sort of

1359
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 3: not small, and he plays a substantive supporting role.

1360
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 4: Great role for him.

1361
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 3: You know, all of the names in this movie are

1362
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 3: really in support of Ben, the lead of our movie.

1363
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 3: And like so I feel really grateful for the actors

1364
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 3: that like showed up for to do this, who like

1365
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 3: I didn't need to, you.

1366
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

1367
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 3: Like, I feel really really grateful for like friends of

1368
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 3: mine or acquaintances of mine who kind of came in

1369
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 3: and helped get this movie made. Because if you're making

1370
01:07:55,200 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 3: projects like you need like financiable attributes to those for

1371
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 3: the most part, right and for me, it was with

1372
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 3: this kind of film in particular because it's it was

1373
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 3: sort of like an intimate coming of age film. It's

1374
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 3: not like a big broad you know, comedy or anything.

1375
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 3: Like I really like I needed to have some of

1376
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: the support of.

1377
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 4: Certain types of.

1378
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 3: People who are also really talented actors and who really

1379
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 3: believed in like this story and lending their artistry to

1380
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 3: it and also their their their cachet if you will.

1381
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 2: And I've seen it.

1382
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 3: I know we can't go such an early ca so crazy,

1383
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 3: but I'm so grateful because I feel like you gave

1384
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 3: me such really just such such really god feedback.

1385
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: Oh thank you. Man is very good at feedback, I

1386
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 2: am to an extent.

1387
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, I seeing him in that role is this

1388
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: kind of supportive, like you know, father figure.

1389
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: I was like, we've never seen him in a role

1390
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:50,799
Speaker 2: like this. No, that's cool.

1391
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 3: It was f I mean, looks like Cole's thirty thirty

1392
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 3: one this year. Alex Sadario is also in her mid thirties, Like,

1393
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 3: is this mom like thinking of these two people who

1394
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 3: are like of child bearing rearing age, like getting to

1395
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 3: sort of for coal like step out of a high

1396
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 3: school project or even college project and into like a

1397
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 3: proper like adult thing. Was it was really nice and

1398
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 3: like I'm grateful that like it. It's really nice to

1399
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 3: see him play like a human being again that makes sense?

1400
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 3: Like no, true, not that like they're not human beings

1401
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 3: on Riverdale, but I sort of feel like, I mean,

1402
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 3: I feel like again, drag it is.

1403
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 4: It is drag drag, right, They're always doing some version

1404
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 4: of drag on that show.

1405
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:36,839
Speaker 1: We did an episode about Disney Channel original movies and shows, Wow,

1406
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: and we that I think that, you know, the sweet

1407
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: like Life of Zack and Cody falls into this like

1408
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: it's fabulousm It's like not real life there, And that's

1409
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: what you're saying, is like to see him inhabit like

1410
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,440
Speaker 1: a real character, I think is incredible.

1411
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think like, I mean, I'll never forget

1412
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 3: both of them in Big Daddy, right, Like that was

1413
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 3: like sad Adam Chandler movie. You have to watch that tonight,

1414
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 3: Oh my got if you haven't. Yeah, they're the kid

1415
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 3: in Big Daddy. And like the first time I remember

1416
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 3: crying in a movie theater. Wow, or like watching a

1417
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 3: movie like sobbing at the end when when the sun's

1418
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 3: almost like it is like me is like they're going

1419
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 3: to take the sun away from Big Daddy.

1420
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 4: Adam Sandler. I don't know why that really shook me

1421
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:18,839
Speaker 4: to my core.

1422
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler loves like a kind of serious kind of

1423
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: like comedy that has a little serious job in it.

1424
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think especially during that time like he was

1425
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:34,839
Speaker 3: he was peak comedy, like peak theater, like theatrical release

1426
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 3: like game as an actor and still is like such

1427
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 3: a fucking cool, interesting, like genre heavy movie star.

1428
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: What's that movie where Adam Sandler can like control his

1429
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: family with a control.

1430
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1431
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: Everyone talks about Click. Everyone's like Click was the best movie.

1432
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 2: It was beautiful.

1433
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 5: All those weird like supernatural comedies like Click, Bruce Almighty.

1434
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, these are really like there was a

1435
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 3: period where like subgenre genre films were like all that

1436
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 3: was being made, and I feel like maybe are coming

1437
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 3: back into that a little bit.

1438
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: I would love that.

1439
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 5: You know what's one of my favorites The Dazzle Uh yeah,

1440
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 5: be Dazzled, Dazzled with with Elizabeth Hurley and the Devil and.

1441
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 2: He sells, he sells his soul.

1442
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 5: He gets seven wishes. It's incredible. And Elizabeth Hurley as

1443
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 5: the Devil.

1444
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 4: Or Shrink Shrink the honeye shrunk the cat, Yes, or.

1445
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 2: Like I loved all of those Look Who's talking? Look

1446
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 2: Who's talking? You know the one where the baby the

1447
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 2: babies talk.

1448
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 4: I loved that.

1449
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 3: Jamie Lee when she was like winning her career Oscar,

1450
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 3: she was like talking about how she's basically only done

1451
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 3: genre movies, and I think that's like such a like

1452
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 3: a specific cool way to be an actor is like

1453
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 3: like you can be like Meryl Streep, or you can

1454
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 3: be like Mariska Haggerty or you can be just like

1455
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 3: genre only like very like and I and I love that.

1456
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm like she's really for forty years,

1457
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 3: made such a career out of doing like iconic genre film.

1458
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 2: And especially since the genre girlies are never at the Oscar.

1459
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 2: They never are.

1460
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 3: I mean Mia Goth would talk about this on the

1461
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 3: podcast right now. I'm sure it's like this idea that

1462
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 3: like certain types of films aren't taken sered.

1463
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 2: Are you a me? Are you a Mia Gothstan?

1464
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 4: I love me a Goth?

1465
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 2: Are you friends? Are you know?

1466
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 4: I don't know her? I don't you.

1467
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 2: Seem like you would?

1468
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 4: I thank you again, Like I think I'm not that cool. Well,

1469
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 4: she seems so cool to me.

1470
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch you. I'm gonna catch you, like in

1471
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: a photo with her, like weeks from now.

1472
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 3: I mean so like I'm arising Leo. So I think

1473
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 3: people think of me a lot as like someone who's

1474
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 3: like friends with everybody, and like I'm definitely like well

1475
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 3: acquainted and like very friendly and like end up in

1476
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 3: certain whether it's like through manifestation or like sheer will

1477
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 3: or like luck, I don't really know, but like, especially

1478
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 3: when I was living in La I was just sort

1479
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 3: of like always like finding myself in like these rooms

1480
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 3: with certain types of people, and now that I'm back

1481
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 3: in New York that feels very like far away.

1482
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 4: But I do have I do have this.

1483
01:12:58,400 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 3: Thing where it's like I think there's a period on

1484
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 3: twin before like I had any work come out where

1485
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 3: I was just like known as like the faggot who

1486
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 3: was friends with all the Alis celebrities for no reason

1487
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 3: or something. Yeah yeah right, yeah, no, no, no, for sure,

1488
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,879
Speaker 3: everyone's just like, wow, I think that's accurate.

1489
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.

1490
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 2: No.

1491
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know what's being said, but

1492
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 3: in my head, I'm like I'm so much more than

1493
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 3: that you are.

1494
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:20,919
Speaker 2: I'm working on all these things.

1495
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 3: She's not her, and I'm finally happy to like be

1496
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 3: like three years later, like I'm finally like starting to

1497
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 3: like announce and release and shoot stuff that I've been

1498
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 3: working on for so long, because there was just like

1499
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 3: I'm not the type of girl who will like talk

1500
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 3: about stuff before it's more more or less baked.

1501
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 4: So and you're just not even to.

1502
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 3: Friends, really like to close friends, but like or like

1503
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 3: in work meetings. But I wasn't like going around town

1504
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 3: being like I've sold like this many projects on this

1505
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 3: many things like until I had like like ink had

1506
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 3: dried and like things were going and even still I'm very,

1507
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 3: very very uh may be superstitious and also just trepidacious

1508
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 3: about the way in which I discussed work and what

1509
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 3: I choose to talk about or not talk about, as

1510
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 3: you should be, because I've also especially in how I

1511
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 3: would like so many people will be like they'll like

1512
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 3: have had like a callback or producer session, and like

1513
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,600
Speaker 3: I'll hear them being like I booked this role and

1514
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 3: I'm like.

1515
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you literally don't have that job, Like you're.

1516
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 3: Just so stressful, Like I really hope you get that,

1517
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 3: and then like nine percent of the time, like they

1518
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 3: don't get the job, and I'm like that gives me

1519
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 3: like the most anxiety ever.

1520
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 4: So I'm just really careful.

1521
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 3: But but yeah, there was definitely a period of time

1522
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 3: like a little bit pre pandemic pandemic, like I just I, yeah,

1523
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 3: I have a lot of close friends who are really

1524
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 3: successful in their field and like significantly more successful.

1525
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 4: Than I have been in mine.

1526
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 3: Lena talked about this. Okay, there's a piece in the

1527
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 3: cut that Brock wrote about me. It was basically talked

1528
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 3: a little bit about that, and I think like she

1529
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 3: she called Lena about it, and Lena was like, Lena

1530
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 3: very graciously said that I'm a person that you just

1531
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 3: want to be around, which I thought that was very sweet,

1532
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 3: because I'm not sure that's entirely well, I don't always

1533
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 3: want to be around me, but I do think like

1534
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 3: I'm a pretty good friend and like a good listener,

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01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 3: and like I'm good at like I pick up the

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01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 3: phone when you're calling kind of person and like so,

1537
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 3: and I'm good at like keeping secrets as well. So

1538
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 3: I feel like I've just I don't know, but my

1539
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 3: hair hasn't gott any bigger from that.

1540
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,799
Speaker 2: Unfortunate honestly, Well, when it does, you can get the Rachel.

1541
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 4: I can't the fucking Rachel cut.

1542
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 2: Would you ever get the race Rachel cut.

1543
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 3: I'm currently in the stage of trying to grow my

1544
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 3: hair out, but curly girls, no, like, it just takes

1545
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 3: so much longer. But I'm trying to. I think I'm

1546
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 3: trying to just like just just below the collar bone.

1547
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 3: I feel like the Rachel cut in my forties, so

1548
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 3: like in ten years feels appropriate.

1549
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,759
Speaker 2: Okay, and see you then then right, let's do it, Tommy.

1550
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: I do see you entering like an era in your

1551
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: career that is kind of like the Lena or the

1552
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: Miya Goth moment where you're like, I'm going to do

1553
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: you know your writer, You're gonna get on your writer director,

1554
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean? Like, and I honestly

1555
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: I love that you're I honestly, when when I heard

1556
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: the film announced, I thought that you were going to

1557
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: be in it as well, and you You're not.

1558
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 2: No, You're entering you want to be a true girl boss.

1559
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 3: Well, I no, I think I want to act too,

1560
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 3: Like I'm gonna undition for something after this today, like

1561
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna go home and put myself on tape

1562
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 3: or something like. I'm still looking for that. But I'm

1563
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 3: very because I have like multiple streams of revenue and

1564
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 3: creative outlets, like I'm I'm not. I'm just no longer

1565
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 3: going to like do the bad acting job because I

1566
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 3: feel like I have to do it right now, which

1567
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 3: feels good.

1568
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 4: But I do miss it and at some point I'll

1569
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 4: get back to it.

1570
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm definitely in my like producorial bag at

1571
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:34,560
Speaker 3: the moment, proudusorial.

1572
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 2: Maybe you'll play Rachel in the Friends.

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01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 4: Ah.

1574
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 2: Okay, that is the I want to make.

1575
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 3: I want to make a sun Dance film that's about

1576
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 3: trans Rachel, about a trans girl who wakes up from

1577
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 3: a coma thinking that she's Rachel from friends who.

1578
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 2: Sort of like that Rebel Wilson movie where she wakes

1579
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:52,799
Speaker 2: up Yeah.

1580
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, So it's a version of it. I feel pretty,

1581
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 4: but she's a doll in like Tennessee.

1582
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 2: Wait, would would absolutely watch Okay, cool.

1583
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 4: Green Lan write it already, got somebody do it? I can't.

1584
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,479
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1585
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