WEBVTT - St. John's Professor Meghan Clark Talks About the Death of Pope Francis

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Swaen and I begin our coverage of the death

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<v Speaker 2>of Francis. I should say, excuse me, Pope Francis, and

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<v Speaker 2>what we're trying to do is bring you informed people

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<v Speaker 2>about his life, the present and the future that we

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<v Speaker 2>will see for the Catholic Church, and it's reached across

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<v Speaker 2>one point four billion people worldwide. We start strong with

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<v Speaker 2>excellence out of Fordham University, Boston College. Meghan Clark joins

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<v Speaker 2>US now with Saint John's at University, where she does

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<v Speaker 2>important work on moral theology, among others. Megan, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for beginning our coverage of the death of

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<v Speaker 2>the Pope. You wrote a while back on Thomas Aquinas

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<v Speaker 2>and you said good is to be done and pursued,

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<v Speaker 2>and evil is to be avoided. How permanent is the

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<v Speaker 2>the method, the process, the pastoral effort of Pope Francis

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<v Speaker 2>or do you look at it as a one off

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<v Speaker 2>pope versus what the future would bring.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that Pope Francis, I don't think anyone it's

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<v Speaker 3>wise to call him a one off in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>the impact that he had on both the Roman Catholic

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<v Speaker 3>Church and the world.

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<v Speaker 1>What Pope Francis.

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<v Speaker 3>Really showed us is how to take the method of

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<v Speaker 3>Vatican two and really globalize it and live it in

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<v Speaker 3>ways that inspired billions of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we understand how unique he was? I've always thought

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<v Speaker 2>from a distance from a church that we really don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand the moment there where he took over from Pope Benedict.

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<v Speaker 2>How unique was it was. I believe thirteen twelve years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew something was a little bit different when he

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<v Speaker 3>came out in all white and insisted that before he

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<v Speaker 3>give the Audi the Square his blessing, that.

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<v Speaker 1>He asked everyone to pray for him.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that every pope is a little bit unique,

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<v Speaker 3>and they bring all of their life experience and their

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<v Speaker 3>challenges and their gifts and their graces. But there is

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<v Speaker 3>something about Pope Francis's humility and humanity that just deeply

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<v Speaker 3>connected with people.

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<v Speaker 2>Megan.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, the Catholic Church and the Holy See and the

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<v Speaker 4>cardinals they turn their attention to electing a new pope.

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<v Speaker 4>What are the pools and pushes in that we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to see over the coming days.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Take a while, and Pope Francis will have all of

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<v Speaker 3>the papal funeral process, and a whole lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>have to get to.

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<v Speaker 1>Rome before they will begin a conclave.

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<v Speaker 3>But really the most important thing for everyone in that

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<v Speaker 3>room is going to be really trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>and pray where is the Holy Spirit guiding them to

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<v Speaker 3>really figure out what the church needs? And that's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're here in the United States, but it's a global church,

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<v Speaker 3>and so kind of what we think of here often

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<v Speaker 3>as kind of the big issues aren't always the big

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<v Speaker 3>issues for the cardinals coming from places like Congo or

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<v Speaker 3>Al Salvador or all across the world.

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<v Speaker 4>And Megan, you know, the Catholic Church, the Holy see

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<v Speaker 4>it is not unlike or not too dissimilar to a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of countries around the world where there are profound

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<v Speaker 4>liberal elements of the church and profound conservative elements of

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<v Speaker 4>the church. To what extent will they have to, I guess,

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<v Speaker 4>agree on electing a next pope who was maybe the

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<v Speaker 4>upper hand?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the realities the majority of the College of

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<v Speaker 3>Cardinals were elevated to the status of cardinal by Pope

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<v Speaker 3>Francis at this point, and so I think that's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be something that because he has been pope for

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<v Speaker 3>for quite time. I think the reality of how to

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<v Speaker 3>continue the level of engagement globally, not just of kind

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<v Speaker 3>of church leaders, but of the people that happened over

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<v Speaker 3>the last two three years with the Synod, you had

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<v Speaker 3>really mobilizing and conversations starting in every small diocese across

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<v Speaker 3>the world. And so I think there is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be attention to continuing this to be a listening church,

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<v Speaker 3>as Pope Francis has tried to show us how to

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<v Speaker 3>be to be a listening Megan.

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<v Speaker 2>Clerk at Saint John's with this as we continue our

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<v Speaker 2>coverage of Markets Challenged this morning, looking to the events

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington as well, and also the death of Pope Francis.

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<v Speaker 2>Megan Clark again out of Fordham in Boston College, just

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<v Speaker 2>with very early work, her book The Vision of Catholic

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<v Speaker 2>Social Thought was profound in twenty fourteen. Megan, as simple

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<v Speaker 2>as I can, this is a pope that had to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with social media. I go back through my childhood,

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<v Speaker 2>pauled all of us in our experience, these are popes

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<v Speaker 2>that moved its slow motion. How does the Catholic Church

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<v Speaker 2>and your study of its theology, how does it change

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<v Speaker 2>in a world of.

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<v Speaker 3>Social media, it has to be more responsive and more

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<v Speaker 3>visibly present in ways it didn't have to before. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think we saw that with Pope Francis's attention to

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<v Speaker 3>the environment.

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<v Speaker 1>He really focused our.

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<v Speaker 3>Attention most on the environment, on the plight of migrants

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<v Speaker 3>around the world, and did that. He knew how to

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<v Speaker 3>do that by both what he said, but also where

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<v Speaker 3>he went and who he met with, and he would

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<v Speaker 3>go to the people in places and so things.

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<v Speaker 1>Like his first visit was to migrants at Lampadusa.

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<v Speaker 3>Was something that was a pastoral choice to do, but

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<v Speaker 3>it also was in a global media world, something that

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<v Speaker 3>was astute.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, But his parents were Italian, he was in Argentina,

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<v Speaker 2>the first pope since the fifteenth century I believe to

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<v Speaker 2>be outside of the Italian European orbit. You're saying that

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<v Speaker 2>it is now entrenched with his work of twelve years.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the institutional changes that Pope Francis made, as

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<v Speaker 3>well as the pastoral message of really focusing our attention

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<v Speaker 3>on the margins of society and the world and on

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<v Speaker 3>the need to protect our common home are They were

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<v Speaker 3>priorities before.

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<v Speaker 1>For Asis, but he moved them to the center.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that that's that's something that's going to

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<v Speaker 3>stick around.

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<v Speaker 1>Megan.

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<v Speaker 4>Is there a front runner to be the next pope?

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<v Speaker 4>Is there maybe a geographic part of the world that

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<v Speaker 4>maybe needs to show leadership?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that there's really no way. I'm a scholar

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<v Speaker 3>and uh, theo logan.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not going to.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not I'm not going to play into the politics.

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<v Speaker 3>I will say that, you know, with Pope Francis, the

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<v Speaker 3>Holy Spirit certainly surprised everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>So we will see.

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<v Speaker 2>Megan, that was beautifully answered, and I'm sure that had

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<v Speaker 2>a compliance at Saint John's University. Is in of your

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<v Speaker 2>ability to dodge Pole's difficult question? Uh? Meghan, what what? What?

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<v Speaker 2>To me? Is so interesting? Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>forgetting our coverage of this process, if you will, of

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<v Speaker 2>the Catholic Church, we all have our image but one

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<v Speaker 2>of them is a recent movie. Did you see Conclave?

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<v Speaker 1>I did? I did?

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<v Speaker 2>How often?

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<v Speaker 1>Mark was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Professor?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Hollywood always takes its liberties. But the thing that

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<v Speaker 3>I will say about that movie is that I do

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<v Speaker 3>think you get a sense of the difficulty that lays

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<v Speaker 3>before the Cardinals in the coming weeks, as well as

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<v Speaker 3>everything else aside everybody who will be in that room

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<v Speaker 3>to determine who will lead my church. It is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be people who in goodwill are prayerfully trying to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out who is the best, because it's not about ideologies,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not about positions theological or political. You know, you're

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<v Speaker 3>you're electing a person and the person that Khem sorry him,

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<v Speaker 3>Mario Burgoglio had had the grace to lead the church.

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<v Speaker 1>Really powerfully and beautifully.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the highlights, most important moments of my life

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<v Speaker 3>is getting to meet Pope Francis after working on a

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<v Speaker 3>project in twenty twenty two, and.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there.

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<v Speaker 3>There is just something that was communicated by just being

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<v Speaker 3>around a holy man that yeah, they got to try

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<v Speaker 3>and figure out who has the grace and the strength

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<v Speaker 3>and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Clarks thank you so much. We hope we can call

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<v Speaker 2>on you in the next coming days. A full bite

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<v Speaker 2>scholar out of Fordham and Boston College and now at

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<v Speaker 2>Saint John's University,