1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Battleground Podcast. I am your host battle 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: and on the show today, we've got a very good 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: one for you. Joe Siphus, who is very well known 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: in NWA, also very well known in local Nashville wrestling. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: He was also on Dark Side of the Ring. We 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: have him on the show today. We're gonna talk all 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: things in WA. We're gonna talk about his career, we're 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: gonna talk about Dark Side of the Ring of course, 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: and then the burning question that everybody wants to know 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: is Joe Siphus the question mark? We asked that today 11 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: and more on the Battleground Podcast, which starts in three 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: two one. 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the battle Ground Podcast. This 14 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 2: is a podcast all about professional wrestling, joined Battle and 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 2: Eli as a breakdown what's going on in the world 16 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: of professional wrestling with special guests including some of your 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: favorite wrestling superstars. You never know who's gonna stop by 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: now making their way to the microphone. Give it up 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: for the podcast team in the. 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: World, Battle and Eli. 21 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: It is great to be back again. The whole gang's here. 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: Eli's with us and it's the Friday show. You know 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: what that means. 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: Y Eli, Well, the whole gang. You mean two of us, 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: it's all. 26 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, two of us, it's the whole of us. Are 27 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: welcome to the Battleground Podcast. This is a podcast about 28 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: professional wrestling where we talk everything professional wrestling. And on 29 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: Friday show we have a special guest and I will 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: let Eli introduce who is on with us today? 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 3: Well, thank you? Yeah. So I saw this gentleman for 32 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: the first time in January of this year at the 33 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 3: NWA pop up in Clarksville, and he was in a 34 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: pretty high profile match with David Arquette, who a lot 35 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: of our listeners know how to had some experience in wrestling, 36 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: and he's gotten back into it this year, and you know, 37 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: it was all in the press and uh, you know, 38 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: he's been been involved with the NBA for a while 39 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: now and even kind of crossed over a little bit 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: this year with some mainstream we'll talk about that too, 41 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: But U with us today is n W a superstar. 42 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: Josepha's how's it going? 43 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: It's good? How are you gentlemen? 44 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: Still still ugly? We're hanging in there. 45 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 4: Though, absolutely. Thanks for asking me. I know I'm coming 46 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 4: on after Billy and Camille and probably every other n 47 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 4: w a superstar, but I'm happy to be here. 48 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've uh, we've been I mean once, I guess 49 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 3: you could just go back to when Billy bought it. 50 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: I mean ever since then, it's just been like, oh, 51 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: you know, and I had to miss I had to 52 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: miss in w A seventy because I flew back from 53 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 3: Vegas the day after that and I was like, oh, 54 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: but then w A pop up show. And then we've 55 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: you know, we've watched every every Tuesday when Power comes on. 56 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: We've been huge fans and texting back and forth. 57 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 4: So and it's so. 58 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: Funny because we're like little girls when it comes to it, 59 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: because we're like, you see this to Jesus, and I'm like, dude, 60 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm like ten seconds behind. Calm down, hold on. 61 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. So we've really enjoyed it. So any any we've 62 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: been just been enjoying everybody kind of associated with the WA. 63 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: So so the first question is always kind of a 64 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: softball question. Tell us a little bit about your background, 65 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: how you got into the wrestling business, and then you know, 66 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: like have you always been a wrestling fan or it 67 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: is just something you fell in love with later in life. 68 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: I grew up watching it. I watched you know, the 69 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: Memphis Territory and things like that, but I didn't watch 70 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 4: it after I was about thirteen. There was probably a 71 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 4: ten or fifteen year gap where I didn't watch anything. 72 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 4: I didn't it wasn't my dream to be a wrestler 73 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: when I grew up. Actually started when I was around 74 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 4: thirty two. That was when I had my first match, 75 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 4: which is in two thousand and nine. So you could 76 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 4: do the math on how old I am now. But essentially, 77 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 4: my brother and I were writing a script about wrestling 78 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 4: because we my one of my brothers, I have three 79 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 4: older brothers of the youngest. We have done a lot 80 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 4: of creative endeavors together, so we decided to start writing 81 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 4: a script about wrestling, and without you know, sparing you 82 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 4: some details, I decided, well, we should go to these 83 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 4: local shows because at that point in time in Nashville 84 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,679 Speaker 4: there was probably about six or seven local shows per week. 85 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was around two thousand and eight. You 86 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 4: could pretty much have a Nashville territory. Back then, there'd 87 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: be a show on Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday. Just you 88 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 4: could find stuff everywhere. Now there isn't hardly anything going on. 89 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 4: Maybe there's a show every now and again running, but 90 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 4: nothing like that. So I would go to these local 91 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 4: shows and I just started networking with people. So the 92 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 4: next phase in all of that was to maybe do 93 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 4: some training. One of us should do the training. My 94 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 4: brother was like, no, I'm not doing that, So okay, 95 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 4: I'll do it. So I started training with Tony Falk 96 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 4: and his son LT. 97 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: Nice, who's a legend in Nashville, which one. Yeah, well 98 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: both both mister Fox blowing up with his tyrons and waffles, 99 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: so or what's that wrong? No, that's right, waffle, no waffles, 100 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: entire irons. 101 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 4: There we go, man. 102 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Tony doesn't hear this because he's going to 103 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: come back and like try to elbow drop you right 104 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: now either. 105 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: I know, I don't want to offend anyone in Paduca, 106 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 3: so he's just. 107 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 4: Going to be like, you know, if you're gonna save 108 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 4: my name on your show, you got to get it right. 109 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: That's him. 110 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I trained with them, and then eventually I 111 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 4: got under the wing of Dutch Mentel. Like I really 112 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 4: only wanted to have ten matches when I started. I 113 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 4: didn't think it was going to be any career thing 114 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 4: because I was just writing. If I was going to 115 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: be a wrestler, if it were my dream growing up, 116 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: I would have started a lot younger. I mean, I've 117 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 4: done a lot of other things. I've been a missionary, 118 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 4: i'd been a librarian. I've done all kinds of things 119 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 4: before wrestling. 120 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 3: Right, some of those the shows you were talking about 121 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: you went two? Was it all just indie stuff? Or 122 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: was one of those where like you'd see a bunch 123 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 3: of up and comers, but then they'd bring in some 124 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: big names, or like what what did you gravitate towards? 125 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: Like ten years ago, twelve years ago, whatever it was? 126 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 4: There were no big shows. There was a show being 127 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 4: run at the fairgrounds. But you'd go in there and 128 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 4: there'd be fifty people in the building and I'm not 129 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 4: you know, I'm not even gonna say what show that was. 130 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 4: And that was one of the first one I went to. 131 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 4: And I remember seeing somebody doing a moon salt to 132 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 4: the outside of the ring and I was just like, man, 133 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 4: this is crazy for fifty people. And I will only 134 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 4: say that person's name was lt Falk. But anyway, there 135 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 4: we go, like what is this guy doing? He's crazy? 136 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 4: But right, yeah, I didn't focus on the bigger brands. 137 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 4: I would just focus on the indie shows because I 138 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 4: knew if I was going to write a script and 139 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 4: maybe try to direct a movie, eventually it would be 140 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 4: on that level and not an arena level. 141 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And kind of going back to what you 142 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: were saying earlier, like living here in Nashville, you were right. 143 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: I mean every night there was wrestling, And I remember 144 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: there was one night and I can't it was in 145 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: Madison and it was literally in the back of a 146 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: discount tobacco and beer store and you could not even 147 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: stand on the top rope. And I remember the very 148 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: last night we were there. And I think I've told 149 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: this story on the show before, like Chicken Hat, who 150 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: is a Nashville staple who now I found out, lives 151 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: in Florida and works at Margaritaville. It was a huge 152 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: night and something happened. He snapped, He threw a chair 153 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: at Athena and I think Eric Andrews got a cinderblock 154 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: smashed between his legs and it was just this old 155 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: like chaos that night. And then that was the last 156 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: night I ever went to that wrestling in Madison. 157 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 4: So but anyways, you should have just gone back, that's 158 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 4: they were just starting an angle. 159 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure, well that's what I was thinking, But it 160 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: didn't seem like it was part of the story because 161 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: there was real fist flying instead of you know, the 162 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: wrestling fists. 163 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 4: But that's the difference. I don't know the difference, yeah, 164 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 4: for real. 165 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, What do you think 166 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: was the hardest thing about breaking into the business on 167 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: like a national scalp. 168 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 4: It's just a perseverance, really, because if you you're gonna 169 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: go through several years of nobody caring about anything that 170 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 4: you do, and that's just part of the process. I mean, 171 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: you might have fans sporadically all over America or whatever, 172 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 4: but then they're gonna start they're gonna stop being enthusiastic 173 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 4: about what you do, and it's all you. At that point, 174 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: you have to endure the misery of the lonely kind 175 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 4: of like the lonely samurai lifestyle and decide. For me, 176 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 4: it's like, do I continue with this or do I 177 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,239 Speaker 4: go back to what I could do be a library 178 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 4: and I have a degree in HR? Do I go 179 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 4: working at HR department? What do I do? No, I'll 180 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 4: just I'm going to persevere and I'm still trying to 181 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 4: persevere to all kinds of different things in wrestling at 182 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: this point. 183 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 3: Right, So, I guess you're probably most well known for 184 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 3: your time obviously being in NWA. How did you get 185 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 3: involved with NWA. 186 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 4: Well, I remember talking to Billy about things when he 187 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 4: was in TNA and we had there had been some 188 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 4: discussion about the NWA, and that was just sort of 189 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 4: like a weird idea that at that point in time, like, oh, 190 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: maybe there'll be something with the NWA one day. And 191 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 4: I had done a little bit of T and A 192 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 4: stuff with Billy, and I had I had also been 193 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 4: sort of like his HR guy when he was president. 194 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 4: But I did all kinds of others things too. But 195 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 4: then I would be on TV just as odd appearances, 196 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: Like I remember they had the Grand Prix Championship. Do 197 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 4: you remember that one? Oh? 198 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, if you look, if you go back and look 199 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 5: at that, when you have time, I'm sure you have 200 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 5: time all the time to do these things of course, 201 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 5: right if you look at because Aaron Rex as he 202 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 5: was called at that point, he wins it for the 203 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 5: first time. 204 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 4: If you look at the judges, I'm actually one of 205 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 4: the judges sitting down out there. So there was all 206 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 4: these little spots that I would do. And then I 207 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 4: was a character named Hadley Beauregard for a while, trying 208 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 4: to get into TNA as a crooked Southern gentleman. And 209 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 4: I made it onto like one pay per view as 210 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 4: Hadley Beauregard, which to me is a character that can 211 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 4: always re emerge again later. But yeah, it's just like 212 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 4: being involved with Billy. I was involved with Billy in 213 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 4: Chicago on a show as well. So I've just I've 214 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 4: worked with him for almost eight years now on and off, 215 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 4: so in Pumpkin World and Wrestling World, so nice. 216 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: So you know, we we've had Billy on the show before, 217 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: and it was kind of funny. We were walking in 218 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: and it didn't dawn on Eli and I'm going to 219 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: throw him into the bus for a second. I didn't 220 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: dawn on Eli that you were with Billy at the 221 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: time when we were talking about it, you coming on 222 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: the show, and I was like, when you start walking up, 223 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: I was like that. I was like, that's Josephus. But 224 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to say anything at the moment, just 225 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: because I don't want to look like an idiot if 226 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: it's not and then Eli's like, we got Joseph's coming 227 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: on the show later, and then there you are just 228 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: kind of smiling, and I. 229 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 3: Felt me I felt so good to tell him like, well, 230 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: you know, thanks, Billy, but we've also got some other 231 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: stars coming in and you're like, oh, that's me. Oh, 232 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: but to be fair, I still remember the wild hair, 233 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 3: and you. 234 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 4: Know, well, that's the thing. I do other things in 235 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 4: the NWA, so if somebody walks in with a camera, 236 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 4: you're not always thinking and this is one of the wrestlers. 237 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 4: But I've always been one of those people that tries 238 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 4: to know every aspect of the business and whether it's 239 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 4: music production or video production or whatever. And I continue 240 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 4: to try to learn every aspect there. So if you're 241 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 4: looking at me as in the context of this is 242 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 4: just some guy film and Billy for the day, you're 243 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 4: not gonna see me. Of course, I'm a big dude. 244 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 4: So that's you not being able to notice that is 245 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 4: totally on you. 246 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, well you were very professional while I was geeking 247 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 3: out in front of mister Corgan, so. 248 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: I was trying to calm him down the entire time 249 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: before we got to the interview, and he's like, what 250 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: are we gonna do? 251 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 3: What are we gonna do? 252 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: And I was like, just let's just play it safe. 253 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: Just don't fangirl real quick. Then girl, after he leaves 254 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: in the garage door shuts, then you can scream and fangirl. Yeah, 255 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: speaking of kind of reactions and fangirling or and you know, 256 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: transitioning into the next question, what was kind of your 257 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: reaction when you found out that Billy had left Impact 258 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: and was purchasing the NWA. 259 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 4: I just I think it. My reaction was good because 260 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 4: I felt like for him, he didn't have to have 261 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 4: as many people to go through to get an idea across. 262 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and his ideas have been sound about the business, 263 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 4: and he loves the business and he understands the business. 264 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 4: And without the impediment of five people to pass an 265 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 4: idea through, I knew something good would come of it, right. 266 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 4: You know. That's and he deserves to be in that 267 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 4: spot where he's not impeded by anybody else who Oh. 268 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 4: You know, like there's this whole culture in wrestling, and 269 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: I'm not saying anything about Impact or anybody, but there 270 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 4: is a culture in wrestling and other entertainment things where 271 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 4: just because somebody's new in the locker room or whatever. 272 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 4: You just immediately shut down what they do, whether the 273 00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 4: idea is good or not. And I and I knew 274 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 4: that if he didn't have to go through anything like that, 275 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 4: he would he would do well, because you know, he's 276 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 4: a brilliant dude. 277 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: Sorry, I lost one place there. 278 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: We go. 279 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 3: Okay, So at the beginning of the interview, we mentioned 280 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 3: you were in a very high profile hair versus hair 281 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: match earlier this year up the road in Clarksville. It 282 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 3: was a pop up show between n w A and 283 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: Tried and True Wrestling. You were defeated by David Arquette. 284 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: We must let people know if they didn't watch the match. 285 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: Former world Champion Tim Storm was involved. So it wasn't 286 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: just you losing, but as a result of that, you 287 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: did have to cut your hair off. How did this 288 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: match come to be and what I guess convinced you 289 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: to chop your hair off? 290 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 4: Well, our cat he got back into wrestling in the 291 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 4: last two years because he was doing a documentary about 292 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: being a wrestler and doing it before and trying to 293 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 4: to train. I think David had a ambition to be 294 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 4: better at what he in the business that he was 295 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 4: perceived as before, and he got in great shape. He 296 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 4: did more training and things like that. But he reached 297 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 4: out to the NWA about working for them, and eventually 298 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 4: the hair match came about. And the story of the 299 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: hair match is that the Spiritual Advisor technically my team 300 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 4: partner because our cabin requested to turn it into a 301 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 4: tag match, and the idea was that nobody would be 302 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 4: our quet's partner because everybody in the business hated him. Really, 303 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 4: I didn't, really, Yeah, that's that was the storyline. If 304 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 4: you go back and watch those promos, I'm actually saying 305 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 4: that that you no one will come to your side. 306 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 3: Oh right, we all doing stuff. Was that like the 307 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: Championship Wrestling in California, We're all doing promos leading up 308 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: to that. 309 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 4: Or we had a heck of a social media angle 310 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 4: going on, like he would do Instagram live and I would. 311 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: Join him, oh and. 312 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: We would yell back and forth. Eventually his sister Rosanna 313 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 4: got involved and Patricia got involved as well, and we 314 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 4: had all kinds of to me, it was one of 315 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: the best social media angles I've ever seen in wrestling 316 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 4: that nobody knew or not very many people knew about. Honestly, 317 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 4: but we cut videos, we cut Instagram line, we did 318 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: all kinds of stuff just to banter back and forth 319 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 4: to build up our match. 320 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 3: Nice. It was a good match, it was I think. 321 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: I think having Storm come out kind of unannounced was definitely. 322 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 4: I just can't stand Tim Storm. It just always appears 323 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: with this smiley face that looks like it's glued on, 324 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 4: and I just can't can't stand that guy. 325 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know another cool Oh sorry, I was gonna 326 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: say he's everybody's hero except for mine. 327 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, maybe maybe you can do something about it. 328 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 4: So well, did you ever watch my empty Arena match 329 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 4: against him? 330 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know that that was I didn't 331 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 3: know that was him. I heard about your match, the 332 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: empty Arena match, but I never put two and two together. 333 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 3: So I'll have to That was like two years ago, 334 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: I think, was it. 335 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 4: Maybe it was around the beginning of twenty eighteen, so 336 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 4: just about Yeah, that's one of my favorite matches of 337 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 4: my career, mainly because of the finish on it. Nice. 338 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll have to look that one up. I saw 339 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 3: I heard about it, and then I saw it when 340 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: I was doing the questions, but I haven't seen it yet, so. 341 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: That's going to be our homework after this is over 342 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: to watch that match and look it up and then we'll. 343 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: Tweet it out on our social area. 344 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: So another cool thing that you were involved with was 345 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: something that a lot of wrestling fans got hooked on 346 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: over the summer was Dark Side of the Ring. Of course, 347 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: you played Bruiser Brody, who sometimes in the past you've 348 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 1: been compared to a time or two of him. How 349 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: did the project come about and how did you get 350 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: involved and what was it like portraying a legend like Brody. 351 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 4: Well, the thing about that is a long time ago 352 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 4: a friend of mine, a mutual friend who knew Barbara Goodish, 353 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 4: sent video to her of me. This was like probably 354 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 4: two thy twelve, twenty eleven, and she wrote me and 355 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 4: verbatim what she said to me is, when I looked 356 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 4: at pictures of you, sent chills down my spine. I 357 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 4: think what you're doing is awesome, and I think Frank 358 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 4: would too. And up until that time I had been 359 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 4: training with Dutch Mantel after I trained with Tony Falk, 360 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 4: and Dutch was always you know, he knew Brody. He 361 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 4: was there the day he died, of course, and he 362 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 4: was just like, Oh, you should use that brody name, buddy, 363 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 4: and I'm just like, I don't really feel good about 364 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 4: using the Brody name in any way. And after she 365 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 4: wrote me, I just attached it to It was Josephus 366 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 4: Brody from that point on. So I had been doing 367 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 4: the character in my own southern style way, but also 368 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 4: in the in the traditional Brody way of just being 369 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 4: stiff with everybody in the ring and things like that, right, 370 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 4: which you know a lot of people know that I've 371 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 4: come a long way since I was doing that. But anyway, 372 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 4: Dutch recommended me to Evan Hustney and Jason Eisner. He's like, oh, 373 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 4: you want a brody guy, I got the brody guy 374 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: for you. And they just called me up and we 375 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 4: had a great conversation and we went up to Montreal 376 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 4: and filmed those a lot of those segments, and they 377 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 4: treated me really well. They treated me like a brother. 378 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 4: I was going through a really hard time in my 379 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 4: life at that point, and they were they were very 380 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 4: kind to me to help me make it through that 381 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 4: and to be part of that documentary. 382 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, we loved it. We actually had Dutch on I 383 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 3: think right it was like a week or two after 384 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: the last episode aired, and he had nice things to 385 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 3: say about you and the whole process, and you know, 386 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 3: he kind of kind of was hinting that there was 387 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 3: going to be a second season and now they haven't 388 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: confirmed it. So yeah, we're really big fans of that project. 389 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: And we kind of talked to him about who we 390 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: thought might be some good episodes, and of course there's 391 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: always the ones if you want, the Crispin wa the 392 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: Eddie Guerrero, and then we kind of threw out Gypsy 393 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: Joe to talk about that as well. 394 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 4: Gypsy Joe led me to the ring a few times, 395 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 4: like I was his caged animal. 396 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 3: Oh wow, near the end of his career, you know, 397 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: and it. 398 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 4: Was probably about a year before he passed. But yeah, 399 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 4: definitely a legend that enough not enough people know about. 400 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 4: But the thing about doing that documentary as Brody, that 401 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 4: gave me sort of a release because I felt like 402 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 4: that was the ultimate tribute I could ever do to him. 403 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 4: So I felt free to change my look or just 404 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 4: to let that character go forever after I did that. 405 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense, I can I can see that. 406 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like what else can you do? I 407 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 4: portrayed him in a movie in a way. 408 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: Right for a huge national audience. 409 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. 410 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 3: So we've been obviously we've been big supporters of NWA 411 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: in Power and all that jazz something that that that 412 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 3: We've had some listeners kind of you know, comment or 413 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: d you know, send us a DM or whatever. And 414 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 3: I think it kind of plays into something that Cody 415 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 3: Rhoades said where he was alluding to the fact that 416 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 3: there's you know, heels and faces like it. You know, 417 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: it depends on the crowd really. So he said, you know, 418 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: if I go to you know, when he was doing 419 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: stuff with New Japan, he was more of the heel, 420 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 3: but then when he went to Ring of Honor, he 421 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 3: was more of the face, and it just kind of varied. 422 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 3: And I've kind of we've kind of noticed that on 423 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: Power there's almost like a kind of blurs the line. 424 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 4: You know. 425 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: So we've got you know, in one one segment, Nick 426 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 3: Aldus is kind of the heel, and then in another 427 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: segment he's kind of facy, and then you've also got 428 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 3: James Storm who's kind of both. And then you've got 429 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 3: the question mark who's really over right now? But then 430 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 3: he's tagging with Aaron Stevens who's a heel. And then 431 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: same thing with like Ricky Starks. He you know, he 432 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 3: got it kind of a fan favorite buzz going on, 433 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 3: But then he challenged Cokee Cabana, which is also a face. 434 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,239 Speaker 3: So it's kind of like, you know, there's not a 435 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: defined line. What would you say, you know, for a 436 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 3: viewer that says it's confusing and they're not used to 437 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 3: this type of wrestling, I guess you'd call it like 438 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 3: a new way of thinking with wrestling. What would you 439 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 3: say to them about the traditional roles of heels and faces. 440 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 4: Well, I was always trained that if the crowd started 441 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 4: cheering you and you were a heel, you did whatever 442 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 4: you could get them to boo you. That's that's the 443 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 4: way that was sort of the old school mentality passed 444 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 4: down to me. It doesn't always work, because some people 445 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: will like you no matter what, but I think you 446 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 4: just have to at this point in time, with the 447 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 4: business being as exposed as it is, you just have to. 448 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 4: You do have to work with the crowd. If they're 449 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 4: with you one night, you can work that. If they're 450 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 4: not with you the other night, you can work that, 451 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 4: and then try to let the stories correspond to some 452 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 4: overall character arc. But I think with Power we're still 453 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 4: finding our groove on all of that, and it's it. 454 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 4: I would call it a very good run for the 455 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 4: first taping, and you know we're about to go down 456 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 4: there again and do more, and I think we just 457 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 4: grow from that and see if we need to be 458 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 4: more defined in that way or not. Yeah, I don't think. 459 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 4: I think nowadays the business is sort of it's just 460 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 4: it's so different and I wasn't in it back in 461 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 4: the day where you know, the glory days that we 462 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 4: hear about. But I'm the same age as a lot 463 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 4: of those guys that were sort of like the last 464 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 4: territory dudes, and a lot of them are my friends. Like, 465 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 4: you know, I've had dinner with I don't know if 466 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 4: you know WOLFI d I was. I had dinner with 467 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 4: him the other night and he, you know, like him 468 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 4: and PG thirteen. They were like the last of the 469 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 4: territory guys. They were like wrestling rock and Roll Express 470 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 4: and at mid South in the main event. 471 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 3: You know, one of them was one of them, Bill 472 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: Dundee's kid, Jamie, Yeah, he was. Yeah, I remember that. 473 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 3: I'm from Jackson, so I mean all I did was 474 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 3: grow up on Memphis wrestling. My cousin's Danny Davis. So okay, yeah, cool, 475 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 3: watched a lot of Memphis wrestling going up. 476 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like I'm not the same I wasn't 477 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 4: in that group, but I'm as old as kind of 478 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 4: like the last generation. So sometimes mythologically I feel like 479 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 4: I'm with those those folks and and oh I'm I'm 480 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 4: an honorary territory guy. Right kind of crap like that. 481 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 3: Right, Well, this kind of pertains to power too. And 482 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 3: you may not know this yet, but is the plan 483 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 3: still to do I'm sure on this next round of tapings, 484 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: but just if you know this long term, I mean, 485 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 3: is this is the plan still to do the tapings 486 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 3: that way? Like, do you know two days and just 487 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: you know, record you know, seven eight nine shows at 488 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: a time, or is there gonna you think that it'll 489 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 3: evolve into a you know, maybe a weekly thing, like 490 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 3: a live weekly show or do you do you have 491 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 3: any insight into that. 492 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 4: I just think we're not going to try to grow 493 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 4: too quickly to undermine ourselves. Yeah, so I think this 494 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 4: format is working for now and anything is possible in 495 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 4: the future, but I do know that We're not over 496 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 4: promising and things like that we're revolutionizing the business or 497 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 4: whatever people try to do when they start a company. 498 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 4: We're just trying to cultivate what we think is good 499 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 4: about what we've already done right, and grow from that. 500 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you've got everybody that's praising everything that NWA 501 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: is doing right now. You've got like the Rock and 502 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: Corey Graves and all these big name wrestlers. Like Monday, 503 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: we had our truth in and he had nothing but 504 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: high praises about NWA, and he you know, it's it's 505 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: one of these times that it's great to be a 506 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: wrestling fan. And it's not a you know, I'm this guy, 507 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm this guy, this guy kind of thing. It's everybody 508 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: watches everything. 509 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's and we're you know, we're 510 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 4: honored that people have taken the time out of their 511 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 4: busy lives, whether they're huge superstars, are just you know, 512 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 4: the casual wrestling fan to take the time to watch it. 513 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 4: And you know that we pay attention to every bit 514 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 4: of feedback and try to stick to our vision. You know, 515 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 4: even if somebody is does it like what we're doing, 516 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 4: we just want to stick to our vision. But yeah, 517 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 4: it's it's great to hear people say things like it's 518 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 4: taken them back to a different time and things like that, 519 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 4: because we believe that to be true. But at the 520 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 4: same time, you know, we have a very modern product 521 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 4: as well. 522 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think that the taping schedule has 523 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 3: taken away from anything. I mean it's still I mean, 524 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 3: people are still loving it, so it doesn't have to 525 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 3: be you know, you don't have to do live TV 526 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 3: every Monday night to know, you know, build a buzz 527 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: or whatever. 528 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 4: Well, and that's the thing. There's always things that won't 529 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 4: be happening at the tapings that can be you know, 530 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 4: like Tony Fox waffles entire irons, right, I mean that's 531 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 4: not that's not done at the tapings. 532 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, we did see that those two the shirts drop 533 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 3: this week, so that's yeah, that's awesome. 534 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, if anybody deserves a T shirt, it's Tony. 535 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 3: Oh most definitely. 536 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: You know what we're what are you looking forward to? 537 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 4: Uh? 538 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: At Into the Fire, which by the way, there is 539 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: a pre clle going on right now which you can 540 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: order it for nineteen ninet nine. It ends on in 541 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: a couple of days, right the seventh is the pre order. 542 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, you get five bucks off if you pre order it, So. 543 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: Go ahead and go do that at National Wrestling Alliance 544 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: dot com. But what are you looking forward to at 545 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: Into the Fire, the NWA's PA per view that's going 546 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: on December fourteenth, as well as the future for the 547 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: NWA as it heads into a new decade. 548 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 4: Well, you may not know, you probably know actually that 549 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 4: Joseph is suspended, right so because a lot of people 550 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 4: think I was throwing powder in people's faces, but actually, 551 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 4: like Trevor Murdoch was one and he he must definitely 552 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 4: have power in his boot that dispersed onto my into 553 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 4: my eyes, almost like a James Bond villain. Also, I 554 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 4: think they said I threw patter at Cole Cabana, which 555 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 4: just you know, if you watch the tape you'll know 556 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 4: that totally isn't true. So Joe Cephas at the tapings 557 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 4: is just looking for, you know, a match. He's just 558 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 4: looking for something, you know, to get back in the ring. 559 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 4: Because earlier this week on Twitter, I've talked about maybe 560 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 4: it's time to step away. Honestly, I don't know if 561 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 4: either of you guys see that type of stuff, but 562 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 4: I've been thinking about that this could be the end 563 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 4: because of just not being able to do what I want. 564 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: Right. 565 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's you know, everybody hits that that point, 566 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 3: you know, right where where you got to make those 567 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: decisions so exactly. 568 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 4: But I think I just want to see that energy 569 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 4: expand at the tapings, you know, looking at it as 570 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: a pay per view there. I have been around some 571 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 4: pay per views and I've been on one, like I said, 572 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 4: for Impact, and there's always a different sort of vibe. 573 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 4: You want to you want to have a more extensive 574 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 4: match or whatever. But it'll be interesting to do to 575 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 4: have matches in the context that we're that we're doing 576 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 4: and have them as a pay per view. 577 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're really excited to see how the studio is 578 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: going to look for the pay per view. I know 579 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 3: when you were here with Billy, he was kind of 580 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: saying it's going to have a completely different look from 581 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 3: for what Power looks like, So that that's that's exciting. 582 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm thinking like wall to wall tennis balls, you know, 583 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 4: things like that might be a good option. Maybe maybe 584 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 4: stuffed animals everywhere. 585 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 3: I think the stuff animals would be a good touch 586 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 3: because if you get outside the ring, then you kind 587 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 3: of have something soft. 588 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 4: So yeah, just maybe like actually the whole room is 589 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:57,959 Speaker 4: on fire. 590 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 3: Ooh, there you go the matches. 591 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 4: That'd be a good vibe, kind of like a thunderdome. 592 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, are you writing these down? These are all good? 593 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 4: These are just coming from my brain. 594 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 3: Jeez, gold mind you worry. 595 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 4: There's there's fifty more where that came from. 596 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 3: Let's see where are we at? Okay, where can people 597 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 3: keep up with you online? Speaking of you were talking 598 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 3: about Twitter and stuff. Where where can people keep up 599 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 3: with you online? 600 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 4: The atheist is just on Twitter and Instagram. I'm joe 601 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 4: cephas in w A and that's joc E p h 602 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 4: U s n w A either at Twitter our Instagram. 603 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 6: So cool. 604 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: Our guests on the show right now, joe cephas And 605 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: this is the last question, and we're gonna kind of 606 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: let you go after this. But we've got some interns 607 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: and producers in our building and we've had them do 608 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: some crackdown research on this, comparing footage and wrestling matches 609 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: and everything else. The final and most important question of 610 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: the show, are you the question mark? Because we've got 611 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: a lot of producers and interns thinking that you are 612 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: the question Mark, they've narrowed this down list. 613 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 4: Said I would never need to hide my face at 614 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 4: wrestling because people, you know, I've been around long enough 615 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 4: for people to know who I am who follow wrestling 616 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 4: on different levels. So I'm not interested in hiding my 617 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 4: face under any kind of mask or anything like that. 618 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 4: I'm going to be just siphast to the end. 619 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 3: And you know, you don't really have a reason too. 620 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 4: No if I'm I mean, I get this question every 621 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 4: day thirty times online at least maybe more, and I 622 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,239 Speaker 4: don't have a reason to hide my face. And you know, 623 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 4: people think I'd look like this guy or whatever or 624 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 4: just just ridiculous stuff. That's you know, they need to 625 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 4: get something better to do. 626 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Nick Aldis would call it like clickbait. 627 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 4: Definitely clickbait, and just maybe that's not even an interesting comparison. 628 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 4: You know, I'd rather see question Mark compared to like 629 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 4: Charlton Hasten or something. Oh there you go, which could 630 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 4: very very well be true. But yeah, man, I don't 631 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 4: get it. 632 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, whoever he is, he's definitely caught on with 633 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 3: the crowd. I mean they've been channing his name and 634 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 3: he's been very impressive in the short time he's been around. 635 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: So I've been scrolling eBay trying to find a question 636 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: mark mask and nothing looks the same as the question 637 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: marks mask on. 638 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 3: It's probably custom made from the n w A. 639 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: So hopefully it'll be up on the web on the 640 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: on the website where we could buy one. 641 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 4: You never know what they have in store. They're definitely 642 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 4: not making Joe Cephis merch. 643 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 3: Well in time, well how long? 644 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 4: How long is that going to be? 645 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll have to put into requests. We'll just 646 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: start tweeting hashtag Joe cepist merch on every tweet that 647 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: we sit out on there on Twitter, that will be 648 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: the tweet and we will have that when we put 649 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: this out tomorrow. At the very end, it'll say hashtag 650 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: Joe ciphis merch. 651 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 3: Booms put it on there. 652 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: So that's that's the plan. Our guest, Joe Cephas is 653 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: hanging out with us right now. NWA Power is coming up. 654 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: Oh god, it's just such an amazing thing. NWA Power. 655 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: You've got into the fire which is in just a 656 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: couple of weeks actually, and down in Atlanta it's sold out. 657 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,919 Speaker 1: But like we said, if you get in on the 658 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: price right now for a couple of days, you can 659 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: get it for nineteen ninety nine, which is great because 660 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: most of the time you see pay per views, they're 661 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: like fifty four. 662 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 3: Dollars fifteen sixty. 663 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: Joe cephas, we want to thank you so much for 664 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: coming on the show with us today and man looking 665 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: forward to all the exciting thing that NWA has for 666 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: the rest of twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. 667 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. 668 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 6: We hope you enjoyed this week's episode of Battleground. 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