1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the suicide of an all 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: American young man, a teen, leads to a shocking discovery 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: of a sick online sextortion scheme. 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: You heard me right, not extortion. 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: Sextortion, a scheme praying on predating on young American teens. 6 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: You think your child is just you know, sending an 7 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 1: install or a snap. No, and tonight joining us the 8 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: mother and father of this young boy. As I said, 9 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: all Americans scrubbed and sunshine, I mean it. Who commits 10 00:00:52,440 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: suicide after being sextorted online? I'm Nancy Grace. This is 11 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 12 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: A Michigan high school football star receives a mysterious Instagram 13 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: message from a girl claiming they have friends in common. Soon, 14 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 3: their conversation becomes flirtatious. 15 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 4: This kid, this boy to me, this little boy a teen, 16 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 4: had no idea who he was really dealing with. 17 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: This girl Danny, this beautiful young girl flirting with him online. 18 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: Started on Insta, then she moved it to a Google 19 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: chat room. It wasn't a beautiful young girl at all. 20 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: And now this boy. 21 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: Is gone. 22 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 5: Listen, I saw Jordan for the last time. He came 23 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 5: home at ten fifteen, and I believe that's when he 24 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 5: opened up his phone and saw the first messages rate 25 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 5: When he pulled in our driveway, and I was just 26 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 5: about ready to go to bed because we had a 27 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 5: long day the next morning traveling. Our other two kids 28 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 5: were already asleep. My wife was finishing up laundry and 29 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 5: getting ready final packing for our vacation. But I ran 30 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 5: into Jordan outside on our patio for a brief moment 31 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 5: as he was walking in. I was heading to the 32 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 5: garage quick, and that was the last time I'd seen him. 33 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 5: But looking back, that was literally minutes after he received 34 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 5: his first message, and within ten minutes I was in 35 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 5: bed sleeping and I never saw him again. I woke 36 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 5: up to finding him in his bedroom. 37 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: You are hearing Dad John de May speaking to me earlier. 38 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: Joining me is Jean de May, Jordan's dad and his mother, 39 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: Jennifer Beauta to both of you, thank you for being 40 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: with us. And John, let me tell you why we 41 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: were playing sound of when you spoke to me before, 42 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: because I was worried that you and Jennifer would be 43 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: so distraught that you wouldn't be able to speak, So 44 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: I was going to use your prior words in case 45 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: that happened, because when I work on this case. 46 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: Sometimes when I don't know the right words. 47 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: Can you and Jennifer, starting with you, John, tell us 48 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: what happened that evening? 49 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 6: Well, first of all, thank you for having us again 50 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 6: and sharing our story. And you know, appreciate the thought 51 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 6: of the speaking. But I know I can speak for 52 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 6: myself and probably Jennifer as well, but we're very vocal. 53 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 6: This is a very important issue and we're getting your 54 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 6: voice as far and white as we can to tell 55 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 6: Jordan's story and what happened to him and keep this 56 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 6: as this legacy. Jordan was, you know, as you can see, 57 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 6: an all American young man who was six two hundred 58 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 6: and eighty five pounds of you know, handsome young young 59 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 6: man getting ready to start his own life. He was 60 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 6: two months away from his eighteenth birthday, just getting ready 61 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 6: to graduate high school. And you know, this tragic thing happened. 62 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 6: As you know we heard earlier. The first message came 63 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 6: in late evening on Thursday night, and the messages were 64 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 6: flirtatious and kind of meaningless in the beginning, but it 65 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 6: kind of changed and as it progress into more sexual nature, 66 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 6: pictures were exchanged and Jordan had sent a compromising photo 67 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 6: himself just after midnight. And when he did that, he 68 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 6: figured out real quick that these this young lady named 69 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 6: Beaniey Roberts was not a young lady. She was they 70 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 6: were extortionists trying to extort it for money. And he 71 00:04:54,839 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 6: spent the next three to four hours in extruciating, hard, 72 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 6: fast paced extortion and trying to pay them money and 73 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 6: trying to figure. 74 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 7: His way out of it. And he ultimately. 75 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 6: Told these extortions that he was going to kill himself 76 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 6: because of them, and their response was, good, you better 77 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 6: do it faster. We're going to make you do it, 78 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 6: and he did. 79 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: Mister Jimay, I am so sorry. I know those words 80 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: are hollow. They I just hate it for you, I 81 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: hate it for him. And if there is a way 82 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: to get this message to one team tonight, to one team, 83 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: it will be worth everything that we're doing right now. 84 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: Everything. And here's the thing. We'll never know. We'll never know. 85 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: If we had any effect, if we saved anybody, But 86 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: I know this, we'll know if we don't even try. 87 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,559 Speaker 2: Jennifer, thank you for being with us. 88 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: What is your recollection of those critical hours when I 89 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: woke up. 90 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 8: To get ready for work. 91 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 9: I saw a text that came through from Jordan at 92 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 9: three point forty one in the morning, and it said mother, 93 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 9: I love you, and I just texted him. 94 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 8: Back and said I love you too. 95 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 9: I hope you got some sleep, and I started to 96 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 9: get ready to take my kids to school. 97 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 8: Once I got them to. 98 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 9: School, I knew Jordan should be awake, so I sent 99 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 9: him another message saying are you okay? 100 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 8: And he didn't respond. So I drove to work, sat down. 101 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 9: And I was like, something's not right. He should be 102 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 9: responding to me. I sent him a third text, just Jordan, 103 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 9: and I gave it a minute, and I reached out 104 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 9: to Jordan's girlfriend at school and said, is Jordan at school? 105 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 8: And she said no, And in that moment I. 106 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 9: Knew something was very, very wrong, and I reached out 107 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 9: to John to see if he was still at his house. 108 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 8: John called me about nine minutes later. 109 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 9: And said he's gone. He's gone, and that Marning was 110 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 9: just chaos trying to figure out what happened or why 111 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 9: he would do this because he was ready to go 112 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 9: on vacation. 113 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 8: There were literally no. 114 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 9: Signs that he was in a place to take his 115 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 9: own life. 116 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: The investigation that started with the death of this incredible 117 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 1: young man, a boy, a boy, Jordan DeMay, a boy, 118 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: has led to the uncovering of a vast network, a 119 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: gang all around the world extorting sex, storting teens. Joining 120 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: me is Rich Wstak, former detective cyber crimes detective president 121 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: of be Sure Cyber training with Rich, thank you for 122 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: being with us. And you know, I'm just a trial lawyer. 123 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: I know how to try a murder case and I 124 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: know how to work a cross pot, and that's about it. 125 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: You have got to explain. 126 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: To everyone in understandable terms, what is happening, How is 127 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: this happening, Why is Jordan dad? 128 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: How did it happen? 129 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, my heart goes out to these parents, and 130 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 10: it's happening all over the world actually where these warlords 131 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 10: have these cyber cafes and they are all sextortionists, specifically 132 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 10: the Yahoo boys in Nigeria who are doing this to 133 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 10: our kids across the country. What we need to do. 134 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 10: I train about three hundred thousand students a year. Last year, 135 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 10: out of those three hundred thousand, I have had thirty 136 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 10: five students come to me and telling me that's happening 137 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 10: to me right now, and we have to It starts 138 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 10: with education of the parents, and then it goes to 139 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 10: the education. 140 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: Okay, whoa, whoa. 141 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: Explain what happens in simple terms. Okay, So here we 142 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: see Jordan, everything's fine, and all of a sudden, this 143 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: girl pops up on Insta. I believe, wasn't it originally 144 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: on Insta? John and Jennifer correct, Yes, And she's cute 145 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: and there's a picture of her and she's got a 146 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: profile and a background. I'm sixteen, I go to so 147 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: and so high school. 148 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: And I'm a cheerleader and I live and so and so. 149 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: What happens then, Well, our. 150 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 10: Boys get so involved and when they're by themselves, you know, 151 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 10: in their bedrooms at night with their devices, and they're like, 152 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 10: what's the harm. It's just another girl on the internet. 153 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 10: What they don't understand is that if they don't know 154 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 10: who they are, where they come from, or can't see 155 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 10: them on a webcam, it's probably a liar, probably a 156 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 10: sextortion case. So for girls, it's about more pictures and videos. 157 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: You're saying, you need to be able to either know 158 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: the person in real life or be able to see 159 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: them on a webcam and to you, John, to May, 160 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: it just started out so innocently. She sends a picture, 161 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: maybe a yearbook picture or I don't know, a picture, 162 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: a cute picture, and they start flirting and talking online. 163 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: He doesn't know her, she doesn't know him, and they're 164 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: having a good time and this goes on for you know, 165 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: twenty minutes. 166 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: How does that go so sideways? That's what I'm trying 167 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: to figure out. 168 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 7: John. 169 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 6: You know, I'm certainly not a professional at this yet, 170 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 6: but I'm trying to be. And you know, from all 171 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 6: the law enforcement professionals from all the world that I'm 172 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 6: meeting and talking with and learning from, the majority of 173 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 6: the same cases is the same type of situation. It's 174 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 6: a slow boil building rapport with hacked accounts mostly, and 175 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 6: so a lot of these accounts that are hacked have 176 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 6: users and followers, so when you accept the friend request, 177 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 6: they oftentimes have mutual related friends, so they feel comfortable 178 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 6: accepting their cross rate in the beginning. 179 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 7: So that's the first step. 180 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 6: And then as a detective, State of the Yahoo Boys 181 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 6: is a particular group that was very well connected and 182 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 6: basically put together a training platform that was all over 183 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 6: the Internet for years for these extortions to learn how 184 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 6: to do it effectively. 185 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: Oh, dear Lord, So they have a training program how 186 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: to six stort teens. American tains Okay, this. 187 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: Is how I think it went down. 188 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: Jump in and correct me to John and Jennifer and 189 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: witchress s doockey? Hold on, Doctor Moroney, Elizabeth Peterson, I'm 190 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: coming right to you. 191 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: Listen. 192 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 11: Social media has become a regular part of daily life 193 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 11: for millions, and seventeen year old Jordan to May is 194 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 11: no exception. On Twitter, Jordan receives a message from a 195 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 11: beautiful team. Her name is Danny Roberts and she's pretty 196 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 11: and very suggestive. Danny asked Jordan to send some naughty 197 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 11: photos of himself, but Jordan box and asks if she's 198 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 11: scamming him. Danny convinces Jordan she is in a scammer 199 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 11: and sends a nude photo of herself. Convinced, Jordan sends 200 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 11: a nude photo of himself, and. 201 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: That is how it starts. Listen. 202 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 12: The minute Jordan de May is convinced by a new 203 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 12: friend on Twitter to send a naughty photo, he knows 204 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 12: he has been had right away. He knows he is 205 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 12: being blackmailed. The so called Twitter friend tells Jordan he 206 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 12: needs to send money right now or the naughty photo 207 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 12: he just sent is going to be sent to his 208 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 12: family and all his friends at school. The blackmailer tells 209 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 12: Jordan to send one thousand dollars. He tells the scammers 210 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 12: he doesn't have that much. He tells them he has 211 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 12: three hundred dollars, and they agree. If Jordan de May 212 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 12: sends the three hundred dollars, they will get rid of 213 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 12: everything he sends the money. 214 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: This is not just a story, this is real. Jordan 215 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: is dead. And you just heard one of our guests 216 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: talking about training online. How these sex storageists are trained 217 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: on line. They even have a script. This is part 218 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: of the script that we've obtained from court filings. Quote, Hey, 219 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: I have screenshots of all your followers and tags and 220 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: those that comment on your posts. I can send this 221 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: new to everyone and also send your nudes until it 222 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: goes viral. 223 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 2: All you've got to do is cooperate with me, and 224 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: I will not expose you. 225 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: Can you imagine John de May, your boy alone up 226 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: in his room, thinking, oh, my girlfriend, my high school 227 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: girlfriends going to get a picture of my private parts, 228 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: and no, I send it to. 229 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: Some girl I've never even met. 230 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: My parents are going to see this and the turmoil 231 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: he was going through, and they. 232 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 7: Were even taking a step further. 233 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 6: They were pretending like they were already sending that, and 234 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 6: they were building content to try to show that they 235 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 6: were sending this already. So they were putting that maximum 236 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 6: pressure campaign on him to really stress them out. And 237 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 6: remember this is that, you know, to three o'clock in 238 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 6: the morning, he's spiraling out of control. 239 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 7: He doesn't know what to. 240 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 6: Do, and you know, he put himself. They put him 241 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 6: into the situation that he just felt he couldn't. 242 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 7: Get out of. 243 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: Things heat up in an exchange between a Michigan high 244 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 3: school football star and a mysterious girl. Soon she begins 245 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 3: demanding money to keep his private photos from being leaked 246 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: on the internet. 247 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: Why did it take the suicide of this young boy, 248 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: literally all Americans scrubbed in sunshine, never been in trouble 249 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: a day in his life. Why did it take that 250 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: for sextortion to be investigated? His death and the investigation 251 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: into its circumstances has led to the uncovering of a 252 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: far flung sextortion plot, leading to the of multiple grown 253 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: men and uncovering a Nigerian gang with you as counterparts, 254 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: praying on our children. Yes, when I say good night 255 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: to the twins, they shut their doors and I go 256 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: to sleep. Yeah, they're in there with their phones. They're 257 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: in there with their phones, introducing them to a world 258 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: of hurt. Joining me, Jordan's mom and dad, Jennifer and 259 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:41,359 Speaker 1: John to doctor William Morony, renowned medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologists, 260 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: author of American Arcan Doctor Moroney, you have conducted so 261 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: many autopsies, but there's something different about a teen a 262 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: child autopsy, and I know you've seen way too many 263 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: of them. 264 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 13: When you have a baby, when you have somebody's five, six, 265 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 13: seven years old, when you have a teen that's still 266 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 13: in school, the autosposy room is almost reverent. We take it, 267 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 13: I mean we take all autopsies serious. But when something 268 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 13: like this happens, the feeling is that you're trying to 269 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 13: make things better because you don't have good answers. And 270 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 13: even though this is a suicide, it's a very young 271 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 13: person and you're trying to give back to your customer, 272 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 13: law enforcement and you're trying to give back and serve 273 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 13: your community, the family to give them answers, and you 274 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 13: don't know what started this at the other end, but 275 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 13: you know it's extremely tragic, and it's just, I don't 276 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 13: want to say it's church like, but it kind of is. 277 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 13: You have the same lights, you have the same smell 278 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 13: of the disinfectant, but it's very reverent, and it's a 279 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 13: special time to try to make sense of what happens 280 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 13: in a place that sometimes deals with tremendous tragedy. But 281 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 13: the autopsy of children, babies and teenagers is very special 282 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 13: and it touches you every. 283 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 1: Day, especially a lot of your children being seventeen and 284 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: just turning twenty, my own about to turn seventeen. What 285 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: happened that night that John and Jennifer are describing listen. 286 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 11: Danny Roberts begin sending more threats to Jordan, putting his 287 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 11: naughty photos into collages with other family members and friends 288 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 11: and threatening to send those photos out, keeping up the 289 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 11: pressure on Jordan, not giving him a moment's rest from 290 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 11: the threats. Jordan tells Danny he's thinking of killing himself 291 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 11: and writes, because of you. Danny responds, good, do that fast. 292 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: Let me understand what I'm hearing. Jennifer Beda joining us 293 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: Jordan's mom, So this extortionist, this gang praying, predating upon 294 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: our children, can actually go into their account. 295 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: And she Danny, it's not as she is. 296 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: American grown men teamed up with Nigerian grown men. They 297 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: get pictures of his friends and family and they put 298 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: the as we're calling it, naughty photos of him naked 299 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: in the middle, and he puts all of his friends 300 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: around it, proving to Jordan, I can reach all of 301 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: your friends, your mother, and your father with this photo. 302 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine how Jordan would have reacted seeing that, yeah. 303 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 8: They were building the collages. 304 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 9: Jordan might have even believed that they were sent out 305 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 9: to some of his friends, his friend's parents, or to us. 306 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 9: It was very convincing. I can't imagine the panic he 307 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 9: was in, being tired alone in the middle of the night. 308 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 9: They basically tortured my son for hours before they forced 309 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 9: him to take his own life. 310 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 14: Listen, it has only been six hours since Jordan de 311 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 14: May and Danny Roberts exchanged nude photos. At seventeen years old, 312 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 14: the homecoming King popular well liked, Jordan de May sees 313 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 14: no way out. When he threatens to end his own life, 314 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 14: he hasn't met with compassion. He's met with an evil challenge. 315 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 14: Do it he does in his bedroom, on his bed, 316 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 14: Jordan de May fatally shoots himself. 317 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: This sixtortion plot. 318 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: And if you're a parent, if you're an older brother 319 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: or sister, an aunt, this matters. This sex stortion plot 320 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: may never have been uncovered, and we may never have 321 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: known why Jordan did this. 322 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 2: With the world at. 323 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: His fingertips, his life in front of him, a football 324 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: star heading to vacation, loving loving, loving parents, a beautiful girlfriend, 325 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: good grades, everything why it would never have been uncovered 326 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: but for this. 327 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 11: News of Jordan de May's death spreads fast. Jordan's girlfriend 328 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 11: Kyla gets messages online from people expressing their condolences, but 329 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 11: there is one message from a user she doesn't recognize. 330 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 11: This person is not offering condolences. The message is from 331 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 11: a user with explicit photos of Jordan, threatening to send 332 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 11: the photos to her friends and family. Kyla tells her 333 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 11: parents about the message and they go to the police. 334 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: John de May is with us, Jordan's dad, along with 335 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: Jordan's mom, John explain the significance of his Jordan's little 336 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: girlfriend getting a message from this extortionist. 337 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 6: Well it's really the most important piece of this entire 338 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 6: investigation in resulting in almost eleven or well, I believe 339 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 6: it's eleven arrests now at this point in American Nigeria. 340 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 6: But the picture was the catalyst. And when we talk 341 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 6: about the number of children that are affected by sextortion specifically, 342 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 6: it's literally everyone to some degree at one level to another. 343 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 6: But this picture was important because it allowed law enforcement 344 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 6: to be able to get search warrants and preservation warrants 345 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 6: into social media companies. Instagram are meta at this point 346 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 6: in our case. Otherwise we would have never known Jordan 347 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 6: wiped his phone clean, he deleted all the messages on Instagram, 348 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 6: so at face value, we really wouldn't have had the 349 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 6: knowledge of what we have today. So that one picture, 350 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 6: which is actually a little bit unlike most of the 351 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 6: extortionists in sextortion cases, the majority of the time, these 352 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 6: extortionists do not send the photos. 353 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 7: They have no reason to. 354 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 6: This was a little bit of a difference in a 355 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 6: lot of the other sextortion cases that I've been that 356 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 6: have been following and meeting with parents and investigators on 357 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 6: So we're very very lucky that that happened because a 358 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 6: lot of parents know that they're with some fishy stuff 359 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 6: going on by some of the message they're on their phone, 360 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 6: but they don't have enough evidence to go to a core, 361 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 6: to get a warrant to go to Meta because Metta 362 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 6: is just not going to release the back end data 363 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 6: and provide parents or investigators with information without evidence, so 364 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 6: that one. 365 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 7: Piece is what would blew this all up for us. 366 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 7: So extremely important. 367 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 14: In Michigan, the Marquette County Sheriff has his detectives work 368 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 14: with the FBI and subpoena Jordan's social media. Investigators track 369 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 14: Danny roberts IP address to Nigeria, where many online sextortion 370 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 14: scams originate. Three Nigerian men, Isehil Roberts and brothers Samuel 371 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 14: and Sampson Negoshi are linked to Jordan Demae's case, along 372 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 14: with more than one hundred other victims. 373 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: Joining me now, Elizabeth Peterson morning news anchor and reporter 374 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: WLUCTV six, Uppermichigansource dot Com, Uppermichiganssource dot Com. 375 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 2: Elizabeth, thank you. 376 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: For being with us now we hear the US attorney 377 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: speaking out now just then we heard about a Nigerian gang, 378 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: but there were American men us citizens, part of this gang, 379 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: part of this plot. 380 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 2: How did it work? Elizabeth? 381 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 9: Yeah. 382 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 15: As this continues to unfold, we keep learning more and 383 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 15: more about exactly what happened. And there were five American 384 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 15: men arrested, charged in this scheme, and essentially through that 385 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 15: we learned that when Jordan sent the money, he didn't 386 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 15: send it to Nigeria. He sent it to one of 387 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 15: these men, who then sent it to another they call 388 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 15: him the Plug, another man in Nigeria, who then sent 389 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 15: it to the three defendants. And I think when you 390 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 15: really look at what happened, started with three hundred dollars. 391 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 15: The first man here in the United States took his 392 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 15: cut of say, twenty percent, then the Plug takes his cut, 393 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 15: and so by the time you go down the line, 394 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 15: this was over fifty dollars, sixty dollars. And so as 395 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 15: we start to learn those details, just the how unnecessary. 396 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 8: This entire, this entire thing was. 397 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: Oh, Elizabeth Paterson, hold on just a moment, sure, Elizabeth, 398 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: he meane, some of these people, their cut, did you say, 399 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: was fifty dollars. 400 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 2: Jordan is dead and their cut was fifty. 401 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: Dollars, So pointless, Jennifer, did you have any idea that 402 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: some of these six stortionists get fifty dollars and Jordan 403 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: is dead. 404 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 9: When they shared that information at the last press conference 405 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 9: and I did the math in my head, I thought, 406 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 9: this is absolutely disgusting that I lost my son over 407 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 9: someone getting fifty or sixty dollars. Completely unnecessary, and my 408 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 9: son could be alive. I would have paid a million 409 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 9: times that to have him here, and all they wanted 410 00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 9: was fifty bucks. 411 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, but my stomach is just clinched 412 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: thinking that. 413 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: They would go along with this. 414 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: And it's easy to say, Oh, Nigeria so far away, 415 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: you can't relate. 416 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 2: To someone in a different country. Who are they? We 417 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: don't know them. 418 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: Us citizens are praying on our children, our Jordan. 419 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 2: Listen. 420 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 16: Over the course of a short conversation, Samuel Ogashi, pretending 421 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 16: to be this young woman, persuaded Jordan to send a 422 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 16: sexually explicit image of himself. Once Samuel Ogashi had that 423 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 16: sexually explicit image in his hand, he then turned to 424 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 16: extort Jordan de May for money, threatening to reveal the 425 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 16: image to Jordan's family and friends if he did not comply. 426 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: So let me understand rich with Stokey joining US Cybercrimes detective, 427 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: how was it? In a nutshell in simple terms for me, 428 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: how were these texts and messages some of them on Insta, 429 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: some of them in a Google chat room? How are 430 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: they traced back all the way to Nigeria? And how 431 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: were the US counterpart the gang in the US? 432 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: How were they traced? 433 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 10: So what happens is when these happened, we have to 434 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 10: we have to have five pieces of evidence. One of 435 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 10: those pieces of evidents are as screen captors. We have 436 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 10: to do what's called in the first step the preservation order, 437 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 10: which holds the information for ninety days. Then we go 438 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 10: on to subpoena or search warrant. Part of that, we 439 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 10: asked for the history of IPS for as long as 440 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 10: the account existed. And what you're going to see not 441 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 10: only in the social media accounts. How do they send 442 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 10: the money? 443 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: Was it zell? 444 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 10: Was it PayPal? How is it? So when we get 445 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 10: every single social media or banking system that they're using, 446 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 10: we get the user ID and we get all the 447 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 10: IPS that are connected to it. So when you have 448 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 10: all the players connecting with their IPS into these accounts, 449 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 10: that is traceable. When I teach in the schools, and 450 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 10: tell the kids there is no one online is anonymous 451 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 10: when it comes to social networking and gaming, and no 452 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 10: one has the right to make you do something you 453 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 10: know you're not supposed to be doing. And we can 454 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 10: make your pain stop because we can trace it. 455 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: Which with Stocky is talking about how this case was 456 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: cracked wide open, John de May Jennifer, but of the 457 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: mom and dad of Jordan because of his death and 458 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: investigation was launched. It you went through heul to even 459 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: get access to Jordan's phone. That was hard enough. And 460 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: because of you, a new law has been passed regarding 461 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: parents and loved ones getting access to the deceased child's phone. 462 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: Because of you, you never let it go. 463 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, John to May, Jennifer, but 464 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: to the mom and dad of Jordan. 465 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: Tell me, was Jordan most of these transactions were through 466 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: Apple Pay or zell. Was that how it was traced 467 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: in Jordan's case? 468 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 7: Correct? 469 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 6: In Jordan's case, it was an Apple Pay to a 470 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 6: United States bank account. And then unfortunately, these extortionists need 471 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 6: players in the United States because you can't just send 472 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 6: American currency to Nigeria. 473 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 7: It has to be converted. 474 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 6: So typically what's happening is the money's coming in through 475 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 6: Apple pay Zel, and then it goes into a bank account. 476 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 7: The bank account then uploads it into a. 477 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 6: Crypto wallet through a crypto exchange United States Exchange, and 478 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 6: then it's converted into a bitcoin or some sort of cryptocurrency. 479 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 6: Then it's easily transferred into any wallet on the planet, 480 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 6: and then the receiving end of that crypto wallet our 481 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 6: case in Nigeria, they were able to run it through 482 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 6: an exchange in Nigeria and convert that cryptocurrency back into 483 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 6: their own home currency. 484 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 17: Today, I'm announcing a separate but related case charging five individuals, 485 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 17: all US citizens, located in the United States now and 486 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 17: at the time of the alleged criminal activity. These individuals 487 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 17: we alleged facilitated this sextortion scheme by receiving payments from 488 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 17: the victims and transferring the money to Nigeria, ultimately to 489 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 17: those carrying out the scheme that resulted in the death 490 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 17: of Jordan DeMay and victimized many others. 491 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: That is the US Attorney for the Western District of Michigan, 492 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: Mark taught in speaking about the arrests, and yes, it 493 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: is an achievement and it was an extensive investigation to 494 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: track down these predators all around the world. But can 495 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: I talk about the reality to John and Jennifer all 496 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: of this happened in just six hours from the time 497 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: your baby got this message, the first message from Danny. 498 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: Six hours later, he was gone. He was gone from 499 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: this earth and in heaven, just six hours. 500 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: John, that's right. 501 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 6: And there's two dozen parents and families that I know 502 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 6: that I speak with that have lost their children to sextortion, 503 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 6: and a lot of their stories are very similar to these. 504 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 6: All these young boys and some girls. We could put 505 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 6: them all in the same room together and they could 506 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 6: all be brothers and sisters and the feet on them 507 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 6: and you know, it's a tragedy. 508 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: Jennifer is so hard to take in that all you've 509 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: raised him for years, eighteen years, and in six hours 510 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: you lose them. 511 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 9: They took one of them, all precious things to me, 512 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 9: and on that. 513 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 8: Day, part of me left this earth too. 514 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 9: And there's always going to be an emptiness and a 515 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 9: heaviness not having Jordan here with me. 516 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: To Elizabeth Peterson joining us WLUC TV six, it's so 517 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: difficult to hear John and Jennifer talk about how much 518 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: they love Jordan and how everything changed in just a 519 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: few hours. This investigation turned on its ear and it 520 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: got to be very extensive and much bigger than anyone imagined. 521 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 15: Yeah, it really, you know, as I've been covering this 522 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 15: for a couple of years now and I've gotten to 523 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 15: know Jennifer and John, and I've listened to the community 524 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 15: to talk about who Jordan was. Everyone explains him as 525 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 15: this big, big presence, this big spirit. And I think 526 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 15: as we look at this investigation and see how big 527 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 15: it's gotten, the reach that it's gotten, story is being 528 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 15: told not just here in Michigan, but across the country, 529 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 15: across the world, and every time it's told, there's an 530 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 15: opportunity there for us as parents, for us as the community, 531 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 15: for us as legislator's law enforcement across the board, to 532 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 15: do better, to do right by Jordan, by his family. 533 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 15: And I think that's exactly what's happening. And I can't 534 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 15: help but think that. You know, it's hard for us 535 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 15: as adults sometimes, I think, to relate to a sixteen 536 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 15: year old and what they're thinking, what they're feeling. But 537 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 15: they haven't lived life yet, they haven't matured yet, they 538 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 15: don't have that wherewithal to say, you know what, in 539 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 15: a year, I'm going to look back at on this 540 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 15: and laugh. And so as adults we can't understand, but 541 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 15: we can open that open space. 542 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: And that's a really good point, Elizabeth, as is true 543 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: in so many suicides to you, Jennifer, but to Jordan's mother, 544 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: if they could just get through that one dark moment, yeah, 545 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: if they had just made through the night, the next morning, 546 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: everything is different. 547 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 8: Explain absolutely. 548 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 9: You know, their brains aren't developed enough to see past 549 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 9: that very moment. They're just seeing what's in front of 550 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 9: them right now and how devastating this is and how 551 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 9: they might have hurt someone or disappointed someone. I actually 552 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 9: had a teenager reach out to me yesterday and say, 553 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 9: this is happening to me, and because of Jordan's story, 554 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 9: I know that this is going to pass. And that 555 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 9: brought tears to me, knowing that sharing Jordan's story is 556 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 9: helping others and it is saving lives. 557 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: Jordan de may Attain, literally just king of the world, 558 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: his life in front of him, commits suicide because of 559 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: a sextortion plot against him, and it's happened to detains. 560 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: All over our country. 561 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: I want you to hear what Danny, the que girl 562 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: he thought he was talking to, said, dude, now goodbye, 563 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: enjoy your miserable life. And victim too says why and Danny, 564 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: I'll make this goat viral. I'll make you regret your life. 565 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: I'll make you commit suicide. I promise you, I swear. 566 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 1: That is what these teens are up against. They think 567 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: they're going to get ridiculed, shamed, shunned, bullied, mistreated, grounded 568 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: by parents, friends, family, and they feel they have no. 569 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 2: Other choice very quickly. 570 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: Doctor William Moroney has conducted so many autopsies on teen 571 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: suicide victims. 572 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 18: Your message, my message is that we need to have 573 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 18: resilience coming from the parents, but we also need the 574 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 18: taxpayers to hear that message. 575 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 13: In this schools because the kids spend so much time 576 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 13: in school that the schools should redirect children back to 577 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 13: their parents for questions, and there should be early education 578 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 13: about feeling insecure and suicide and downplay those messages in 579 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 13: the media and refer children back to communication with their parents. 580 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: That's exactly what you do, Rich with Stocky try in schools. 581 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 10: Yeah, we need to be teaching parents how to have 582 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 10: that technology talk because so many times parents say if 583 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 10: you do this, if you do that, we're going to 584 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 10: do this here, We're going to do that to you, 585 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 10: and that shuts down the communications. Instead, I teach something 586 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 10: called the Golden ticket, and we need to have parents 587 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 10: give that kid a pass because parents are responsible for 588 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 10: their kids technology and we need to do a better 589 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 10: job allowing no matter what you do, we are here 590 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 10: for you and we will fix it for you. You don't 591 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 10: have to suffer in silence. 592 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: And what is so ironic to Jennifer and John Mom 593 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: and dad, Jordan was not under any threat like you 594 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: hear parents saying, Hey, I'm going to take away your 595 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: car keys, I'm going to take away your cell phone if. 596 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 2: You fill in the blank. 597 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: This boy, Jordan, this was a prison of his own 598 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: making out of fear embarrassment, not because you had disciplined 599 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: him or fussed him about being online, but because of 600 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: what the defendants did, grown men in the US and Nigeria. 601 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,439 Speaker 2: Targeting this teen boy in the middle of the night. 602 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: Jennifer, you guys did everything right and parents need to 603 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: know that too. You can do everything right and you 604 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: still have a hard time protecting your child online. 605 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, Jordan had a loving family. 606 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 9: He had a great life, a huge support system within 607 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 9: his friends in this community, and he was just the 608 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 9: target that night. And they were relentless and did not 609 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 9: give up until Jordan finally took his own life because 610 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 9: he couldn't take the pressure. And I think it's so 611 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 9: important for parents to hear Jordan's story and sit down 612 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 9: with their families and have open conversations about what happened 613 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 9: and that there's absolutely nothing that they can't come to 614 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 9: you with for help, because people want to help you. 615 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,959 Speaker 8: If you see yourself going down that. 616 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 2: Tunnel, John to May, Jordan's dead. 617 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,760 Speaker 1: I want to tell you how you've affected my family, 618 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: you and Jennifer and Jordan. When you first told me 619 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: about Jordan, I pulled up Jordan's picture online on my 620 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: iPad and I blew it up and I waited for 621 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: the twins, my children, to come home from school. They 622 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: sat down, we had no conversation, which we normally do, 623 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: and I held up the picture. 624 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 2: So you see this boy. 625 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: He's a star football player, he was going to go 626 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: to college. He's dead, and this is what happened. This 627 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: is what happened. Now his mom and dad don't have 628 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: him any more. And I told him point blank, what happened. 629 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: Please help us, John, help all the parents listening right now. 630 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 2: What is your message? 631 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 6: I think the most important thing really is kind of elementary, 632 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 6: but it just boils down. So we have to really 633 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 6: watch what our kids are doing on devices and specifically 634 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 6: social media. One thing that I think is really important, 635 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 6: and if the detective touched on it, was having a 636 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 6: device in their bedrooms in secluded areas at night without 637 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 6: other people around. I think that's a really bad recipe, 638 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 6: especially when something like this goes down. There's no way 639 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 6: for anybody to intervene. So I think parents need to 640 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 6: be really really cognizant about that. Keep the devices in 641 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 6: open areas, keep them out of their bedrooms, put them 642 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 6: on the phone chargers, put them away at night, and 643 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 6: then speaking to their kids and having the conversation. This 644 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 6: is stuff that's really happening. To look at Jordan's story, 645 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 6: this thing is real. There's people from other parts of 646 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 6: the world that came into my house and murdered my 647 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 6: son that night, and there's eleven people in custody right 648 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 6: now because of it. So this this isn't something that 649 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 6: just as a whim. There's two dozen other families, and 650 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,439 Speaker 6: there's probably thousands, if not tens of thousands, maybe even 651 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 6: millions of kids that are being. 652 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 7: Affected by this to some level. So we have to 653 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 7: be diligent parents and pay attention to what's. 654 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 6: Happening, and be a little bit more strict and fors 655 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 6: coming with the phone usage. 656 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 2: If you or someone you know believe that you are, 657 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 2: or have been. 658 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: Or currently a victim of sextortion, toll free eight. 659 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 2: Hundred two two five four to three two four. 660 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: Repeat eight hundred two two five four three two four 661 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: that's one eight hundred, call FBI, and if you are 662 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: considering or thinking about committing suicide, please text nine eight 663 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: eight just text nine to eight eight or dial toll 664 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,720 Speaker 1: free eight hundred two seven three eight two five five 665 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: nine eight eight text or eight hundred two seven three 666 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: eight two five five because I promise you, if you 667 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 1: can get through that dark hour and see the sunrise 668 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: the next morning, you'll change your mind. We stop and 669 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Isaiah Cordero, Riverside County Sheriffs. 670 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: Just thirty two, Deputy Sheriff Isaiah shot. Deputy Sheriff Isaiah 671 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: Cordero shot and killed in the line of duty, survived 672 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: by his mother, father, and brother, American hero Deputy Sheriff 673 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: Isaiah Corderio. 674 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 2: Thank you to Jordan's parents, John and Jennifer. So difficult 675 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 2: to speak about Jordan, yet they are trying their best 676 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 2: to be empowered and help you. Nancy Grace signing off, 677 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 2: good bye friend,