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Speaker 1: I'm Logan Bolton here with Santana Moss and Fred Spout

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Speaker 1: and guys. Got some fun stuff going on.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the uniform attire, we're going all gold pants,

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Speaker 2: all gold. I don't know if you do this, probably Fred,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of swag Tanna, you don't

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Speaker 2: in my uniform in life.

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Speaker 1: Saying you've been bringing a little protect that's right than man.

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Speaker 2: But so I'm gonna defer to you. Guys. How do

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Speaker 2: we feel about the gold pants?

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Speaker 3: I love it? Yeah, I like gold.

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Speaker 4: Anything like this is the one color that we have

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Speaker 4: that really nobody else in the n field really can

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Speaker 3: Dars like that gold. But the forty nine is the

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Speaker 3: only people that.

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Speaker 2: Can share it with us.

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Speaker 5: Well, I can't even say that because you got the

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Speaker 5: packers have gold pans.

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Speaker 3: Well, packers kind of come up.

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Speaker 5: First of all, we gotta understand what color is the

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Speaker 5: gold going to? Because I remember the last the last

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Speaker 5: regime it was Forster. It was like a mustard, but

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Speaker 5: it was considered go go. So what are we winning?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 5: Is it gonna be like the gold throwback look pants?

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Speaker 5: Or is it going to be the mustard gold?

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Speaker 3: Is it gonna be electric goal?

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Speaker 5: Like it's going to be the mustard gold pants if

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Speaker 3: Me, so, I hope it's the electric gold.

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Speaker 5: So it's gonna be the It's gonna be like the

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Speaker 5: same mustard yellow looking as goal. And so now if

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Speaker 5: I had to come in on that, I'm always speak

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Speaker 5: it don't really matter what color you will. You know,

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Speaker 5: We have a ton of uniforms, but if you're not winning,

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Speaker 5: and it's gonna be a reason why they don't want

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Speaker 5: Before Rondom got here, we wore those yellow pants almost

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Speaker 5: every home game we wore it or that was like

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Speaker 5: our uniform. We wore the gold or the maroon.

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Speaker 4: I feel they would y'all be mad if we literally

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Speaker 4: did one edition of gold everything go hel and go jersey,

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Speaker 5: How productive can you be when you throw on all

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Speaker 3: Well, we know we know what you do.

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Speaker 2: I love how practical is yeah?

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Speaker 5: I don't care. Only you could put on blue with

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Speaker 5: the damn Marines or whoever whatever. If you win, let

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, sot's take this.

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Speaker 4: Take winning and losing out of Okay, let's just put

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Speaker 3: Long time our jerseys is classes that they were.

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Speaker 4: They was hard for us to swag out like you

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Speaker 5: I mean, no one told you to where your sleeve

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Speaker 4: Did that in honor of him, because I used to

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Speaker 5: You couldn't swag your thing out. I did swag it

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Speaker 4: I most definitely stepped out of there and looking like

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Speaker 5: Look, I'm all for the all black we haven't won

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Speaker 3: And I just damn see the all Blacks get this time.

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Speaker 2: I would love to see it.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: I want to see I want you to be. I

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Speaker 5: remember this game. Them boys did this x y Z.

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Speaker 5: Never wanted to be something in a losing fashion though,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, So that black kind of

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Speaker 4: I know some ugly jerseys that teams wore that I can't.

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Speaker 4: Bees when they put out them killer Bees with scripes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like they played for the Penitentiary League, and so what

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Speaker 5: Say a battle nineteen thirties, Yeah, it's a battle. I

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Speaker 5: remember too, just since we were talking about the gold

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Speaker 1: It's just kind of hearkening back to a traditional look

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Speaker 1: I think that's always nice when they can kind of

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Speaker 1: playing good football and winning games. And that's why Fred

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Speaker 1: is our fashionista when it comes to football stuff. All right,

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Speaker 1: So we've got some housekeeping stuff, all right. Just reminder,

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Speaker 1: we got the Hails Tales podcast, right, guys. We had

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Speaker 1: our first episode come out last week, Unsung Hero Heroes

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Speaker 1: of Super Bowl twenty two.

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Speaker 2: That was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Lots of interesting insight there, Doug Williams, we got Joe

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Speaker 1: Gibbs on there. But now we've got our next one

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Speaker 2: The hiring of Joe Gibbs.

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Speaker 1: And you better believe I want to hear all about

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Speaker 1: that because you talk about building dynasties like which hopefully

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Speaker 3: So like No No Understanding, coach was an unknown. We

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Speaker 4: He was not like he had already been on Temple's

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Speaker 4: Coaches Stale. That's right in San Diego's Coachesdale that had

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Speaker 3: Only people had gave given him a chance. So he

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Speaker 4: When you think of him, he was dead type of dude.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, with this technology today, I really

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Speaker 4: want to incorporate myself because I like to be around winners.

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Speaker 4: Do you think I can computer generate myself.

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Speaker 5: In with the old dudes?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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Speaker 4: Like when they showing old fields and like the Super

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Speaker 1: You can absolutely do that. I don't know if you

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Speaker 3: I won't do I've always wanted to be a part

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Speaker 4: They do the when they do the when they bring

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Speaker 4: us all back to Alumni weekend.

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Speaker 3: I actually cheer with d Green and like the seventies

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Speaker 3: and eighties group, That's what I mean. Ray Brown, he

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Speaker 2: He was around for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ray played with everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you look at those pictures out there, he's like

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Speaker 2: that right right.

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Speaker 4: Right, nineteen thirty two, right, all of it right right,

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Speaker 4: Ray Brown?

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Speaker 1: Right, He's been around from it and say with but anyway,

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Speaker 2: Where is that going to be Jason.

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Speaker 6: Wherever you get your podcasts, just type in Hailtails watching

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Speaker 6: some football history. It'll pop up.

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Speaker 2: We'll also try.

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Speaker 6: And put links in the YouTube of this get into

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, the first one was so good. I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard the second one. Yeah, but man like, if

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Speaker 1: you're again Commander's fans, you'll love it.

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Speaker 2: Check it out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and just so you know, like we got Joe Gibbs,

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Speaker 6: he talks about it. Yeah, like you were saying, he

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Speaker 6: mentions I didn't think I'd ever be a head coach.

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Speaker 1: The access, Yeah, the access that Hannah did on this thing,

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Speaker 1: and the research she did was awesome. Yeah, and it

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Speaker 1: feels the storytelling is great. It's just a really well

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Speaker 1: done podcast. So definitely check it out. All right, And

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Speaker 1: then so now next thing, next big football thing is

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Speaker 1: training camp. Okay we don't have dates yet, but you

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Speaker 1: and it's because it is a technical x's and Oh's

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Speaker 2: So we're going to kind of tear this out.

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Speaker 1: We're going to start with like kind of general defensive principles,

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Speaker 2: So let's start with the yard of defense.

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Speaker 1: And so I think at a basic point, basically, if

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Speaker 1: kind of play different coverage structures, different patterns to make

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Speaker 4: And you also defending personnel. You're defending personnel bleeding in

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Speaker 4: with scheme. What makes a great defense scheme is a

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Speaker 4: that kind of dictates.

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Speaker 3: Terms to me.

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Speaker 4: The dictating term defense makes a offense suggest to them.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna adjest to you, so I don't break.

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Speaker 3: Well, if I'm gonna dictate terms, I'm saying, forget what

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna shrink your playbook because of what we do

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Speaker 3: Now we bending to you win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me just double click on some stuff there.

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Speaker 1: So we talked about general defensive stuff. Then right, three

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Speaker 1: So if I'm a defense playing Kyle Shanahan, right, I

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Speaker 4: Feel like the Shanahan's was a hash team. Great, we

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Speaker 4: would say we're finna play Hash football. They like to

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Speaker 5: But one of the things you asked is what makes

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Speaker 5: See if what you just talked about the being or

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Speaker 5: When you have those guys up front, you establish that

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Speaker 4: You said, wide receivers kind of being a prisoner of

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Speaker 3: He's the same thing for us trench warfast starts everything.

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Speaker 5: Because I've been on them teams here with you where

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Speaker 3: Y'all had to cover two six seconds.

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Speaker 5: Guess what, by the time you know it, that ball

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Speaker 4: And this is what I think better defenses unlock talent.

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Speaker 5: The key thing is what you said, two things. Both

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be somebodybody. But if, like I said, if

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Speaker 4: Yes, and that's what I wanted to I want to

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Speaker 1: Because if those four receivers run vertical, it's gonna play

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Speaker 3: To what they call push it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to lean Towarys the three wide receiver,

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Speaker 3: I tell you what he allows me to do his corner.

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Speaker 2: I stopped running.

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Speaker 4: Behind post routes. I did not have to play post

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Speaker 5: Routes, not even post routes in route anything anything anything

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Speaker 5: Sean gave you the freedom to say, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 5: So that's what that's what a Sean Taylor did to.

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Speaker 5: Tricks to go, he goes sideline and sideline.

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Speaker 1: I think just having a game like a game wrecord

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Speaker 3: Changes how they attack you, period.

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Speaker 4: They thought it changes their thought of how to address

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Speaker 5: just those guys. You have other guys that play the

442
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Speaker 5: position just as what as those two, But it just

443
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Speaker 5: when you have a guy like that that that's that

444
00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,320
Speaker 5: much more helpful for a corner.

445
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Speaker 4: Like that, and you mix it with down indistance down in.

446
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,679
Speaker 4: This is everything to us. It's situational football. This is

447
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Speaker 4: the difference between tann and running a slint route on

448
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Speaker 4: me and a dig route, because if it's gonna be

449
00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,359
Speaker 4: anything o seven yeards is probably gonna be a dig route,

450
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,159
Speaker 4: not even a slid route. I know how you're gonna

451
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Speaker 4: take me by the before make sure you line up.

452
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Speaker 4: You talk about three by one. If I'm on the

453
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Speaker 4: back side of three by one and it's men is wide,

454
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Speaker 4: receive a bicef and it's third and eight, where you

455
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Speaker 4: think they going, They're finna go back here if we

456
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Speaker 4: got this window open, if they're ready to go against

457
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Speaker 4: this one on one, then there's three on four.

458
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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if you like the matchup offensively. Now, this

459
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Speaker 1: is speaking from an offensive perspective. You get in that formation.

460
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Speaker 1: You put Calvin Johnson out there, you put Julio Jones

461
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Speaker 1: out there.

462
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Speaker 3: If you want that matchup.

463
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Speaker 1: If you like the matchupe, you said, go eat that's

464
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Speaker 1: our best football player.

465
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Speaker 2: Right.

466
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Speaker 1: If you don't like the matchup, or they let's say

467
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Speaker 1: they roll coverage defensively, right, we got to bracket Julio

468
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Speaker 1: or Santana Moss, whoever is.

469
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Speaker 2: We got to bracket that guy. Now we get good

470
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Speaker 2: numbers to the front side the.

471
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Speaker 4: Car, say not, the tight end is finna be open

472
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 4: because they pushing outside. Like I tell you this, if

473
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Speaker 4: you ever want to see somebody do three by one

474
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Speaker 4: to the t watch the Eli Mann and giants. They

475
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Speaker 4: put Plexico on the right side. Then while men and

476
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Speaker 4: plex go ahead all these battles. Sure they will put

477
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Speaker 4: everybody else, Jeremy shocking everybody else on the left. And

478
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Speaker 4: when they came to the line, their check was any

479
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Speaker 4: man man defensive call, go to the one wide receiving

480
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Speaker 4: inside and win and win like it was simply is that.

481
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Speaker 1: No, I think that's exactly right. And so I think

482
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Speaker 1: would it be fair to say, with regards to Ex's

483
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Speaker 1: and O's versus Jimmy and Joe's, that the Jimmy's and

484
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,080
Speaker 1: Joe's make a defense come to life? Oh yeah, because

485
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 1: you could put bodies out there, but it don't work,

486
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Speaker 1: and don't work out the horses out there.

487
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Speaker 4: It won't work without a London fletcher. It won't work,

488
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Speaker 4: like they said, without a defense, allied, it won't work

489
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,439
Speaker 4: without a corner. There's not the fraid to literally go

490
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Speaker 4: out here and have a battle like this is different

491
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Speaker 4: between some corners that they always try to play on

492
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Speaker 4: the high side of things like I'm just not gonna

493
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Speaker 4: give up no catches, knowing damn will We're gonna give

494
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Speaker 4: up some catches.

495
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Speaker 2: That want a.

496
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Speaker 3: Battle is to be going back and forth with somebody.

497
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Speaker 4: And if you will take on a battle one on

498
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Speaker 4: one to say, I'm finna check this man for sixty plays,

499
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Speaker 4: do you not think he gonna beat you?

500
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Speaker 3: Out of those sixty plays, don't get beat.

501
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Speaker 2: You gonna get beat one hundred percent.

502
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Speaker 1: And so I think you know that we talk kind

503
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Speaker 1: of generally high level defense. There the three levels of

504
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Speaker 1: the defense, the how, the adaptive nature of the defense,

505
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 1: how personnel elevates it. Pretenda is there a is there

506
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Speaker 1: a defense that you remember playing against, being like, damn,

507
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 1: this is a good group of football players, and I

508
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: played against a.

509
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Speaker 2: Lot I know you have.

510
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Speaker 5: That's why I thought, I pentate you the one that

511
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 5: stands out to me in the league, and I and

512
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Speaker 5: think this thing. Everybody adapted or tried to take on

513
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Speaker 5: some kind of form of this because I remember when

514
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Speaker 5: herm came over to Tampa to know came over to

515
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 5: the Jets from Tampa. It was we used it Montique

516
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Speaker 5: Tempa to Tampa to defense. When I say Tampa to

517
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Speaker 5: as a receiver, knowing that you have this shell already

518
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 5: is a Cover two shell, and then you say to myself, Okay,

519
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 5: I can't run nothing in here because you got a

520
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Speaker 5: line out here.

521
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

522
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Speaker 5: I can't get over the middle because I got a

523
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Speaker 5: linebacker dropping that deep.

524
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 2: Yep.

525
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Speaker 5: I can't get on the outside because I got a

526
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Speaker 5: safety and a guy underneath me. Where are you gonna

527
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 5: go over to the football? Like we we had to

528
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Speaker 5: have the Ladani and Thomasin's, the the Curtis Martins because

529
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 5: now they play an intra corolle. Now they got to

530
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 5: come out of the backfield to free to freeze that linebacker. Ye,

531
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Speaker 5: so now you can have something in the inside maybe

532
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 5: occur around, if you know what I mean. So that

533
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Speaker 5: Tampa two defense in the style of play Man, it

534
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 5: won't a lot of Super Bowls. It took teams to

535
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 5: the championships because it made it hard for you to

536
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Speaker 5: do anything.

537
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about Tampa two real quick. So Tampa

538
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 2: two was just covered two.

539
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 1: Right, There's two flat players that are usually the corners, right,

540
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: and they have different techniques. Sometimes they rerount it sometimes

541
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Speaker 1: they carry whatever it looks like. But they got a flat. Yeah,

542
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: they got two safeties that usually stand just outside the hashes.

543
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: They got half the field.

544
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Speaker 1: When you run straight Cover two at the NFL level,

545
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: people gonna eat against it because where's the weak.

546
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: Spot right down the middle of field?

547
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 5: Minefit?

548
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Speaker 1: So what what what Tampa two does? They say, Let's

549
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: take this middle linebacker. You're Brian or Lackers trying. Why

550
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: else is a great Tampa two middle linebacker?

551
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: He was the will.

552
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 1: He was usually the will, which is it was just

553
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: extremely important in that defense. But the middle linebacker run

554
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: down the middle field and basically they would take anything

555
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: on the seam, and basically you couldn't throw the ball

556
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: because there's basically there. It's like Cover three, but you've

557
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: got these corners kind of getting soft. It's incredibly hard

558
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: to throw the football to tennis point. So that was

559
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: presenting lots of issues like the Miami the U that's

560
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Speaker 1: the defense they ran in.

561
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Speaker 5: That's a great example affection.

562
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Speaker 1: So those guys were that defense was stuff. And I'm

563
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: real glad you brought up Tanna because I want to

564
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Speaker 1: get Fred's answer. But we're going to talk about that

565
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: in relationship to it, dan quinnin didn't seattle here in

566
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: a second, But what's the best defense you played.

567
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 3: In I played a ton of defense, great William defense.

568
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 2: And what made it good? Though, because he's like, what.

569
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Speaker 5: Was his style of the defense? Like, what was this?

570
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Speaker 2: All?

571
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 3: Right?

572
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 2: One?

573
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 4: We was hyper aggressive. We blitzed from the time we

574
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 4: got off the bus till we left. He let us

575
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Speaker 4: coners know we're gonna place some man and the man,

576
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 4: but we also mixed that man and man with what

577
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 4: they call gold coverage. And their gold coverage was take

578
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 4: it back to the two by two. I ain't read

579
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 4: as a corner. Two to one everybody think, because I'm

580
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 4: in front of Tann he read so.

581
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: True to one means you're over the outside receiver, you're

582
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: reading the inside.

583
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: I'm wing the inside receiver.

584
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 4: Any outside move from the inside receiver. I aggressively playing

585
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 4: like a match. We started to match.

586
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Speaker 3: That's crazy, we started. But we called the gold coverage.

587
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: And in this goal, I.

588
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 5: Did anything towards you.

589
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: You got me, I'm finna go, not just got you.

590
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 3: I get to attack.

591
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Speaker 4: Let's just say you y'all going vertical, and you got

592
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 4: a ten year old out right at the sticks time

593
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 4: I seen your shoulder dip, I'm gone, safety comes over

594
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 4: top gets number one. All right, let's just say double slants,

595
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 4: uh the nikkele against all the time. And then every

596
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 4: time we get into this, it was hard for people

597
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 4: to beat us. They'll try to motion the third ride

598
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 4: receiver over there and this when we'll just box it.

599
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: Now we got four people playing three like, so it

600
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: was hard for people to beat us.

601
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Speaker 2: You did that was this six?

602
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: That was so five.

603
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 5: We did it because I came back in on that.

604
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: So football nerds out there, just so you know why

605
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about it. Every every single person in

606
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: the league runs this defense now and to think that

607
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: this this this guy over here, Yeah, was in this

608
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: setting cutting edge match.

609
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: And then I left Greg and I went to Mike Tumblin.

610
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: They run cover two.

611
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 4: We ran covered two, but we had the Williams brothers.

612
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 4: We had pet Win Kevin Williams in the inside detacker,

613
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Speaker 4: so you can doubley detect. So that's why it made

614
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 4: the rush neutral. And now I got to go from

615
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 4: being a fully man and man corner to playing cover

616
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 4: two with Anto one win fields. So now I need

617
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 4: to boke up because I'm really a part of the

618
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 4: run front. And that's what you gotta realize, is a

619
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Speaker 4: cover two corner, anything on the outside, sweeps, toss cameras.

620
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 3: You respond for the run game. So you got to

621
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Speaker 3: be really into that run game.

622
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Speaker 4: So No, those two playing for those masterminds right there

623
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Speaker 4: really showed me a lot.

624
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Speaker 3: You can suc see different ways.

625
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the defensive coordinator name for Dallas Zimmer?

626
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: Mike Zimmer. So Mike Zimmer.

627
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I saw his third down

628
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: blitz package, I thought I can't play in the NFL.

629
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Speaker 2: He was He's.

630
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: Responsible for like this double A blitz package, like all out.

631
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: So basically because of the double A and because of

632
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: the over overhang player week, so it's basically how many

633
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: seven players on the line of scrimmage, both linebackers and

634
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: a nickel. Everybody's flat and you don't know who's coming,

635
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: and so it breaks protection rules because you can usually

636
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: block three to a side three players, but because of

637
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: how he aligned, you'd always have four week right away,

638
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: so you'd always have to think about wrapping for protections

639
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: and things like that.

640
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: You don't know who coming you correct.

641
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: And so you would always he'd always keep the back in.

642
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: He'd always then drop guys out that weren't you know

643
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't expect he'd get in the throwing windows.

644
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: They match concepts really well. That defense was pretty sick

645
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: and we're probably going to see a version of that.

646
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 4: He also was aligning net with the seven across, usually

647
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 4: with a blitz peel yeah, meaning why are you blitzing?

648
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 4: I want all of y'all blitzing. But if that line,

649
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 4: I mean, if they're running back vier.

650
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: You got appeal that outside linebacker.

651
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 4: No, that's his main Like, so that allows you to

652
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: mean to really hide a lot because we kind of

653
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 4: responding out for y'all, Like if you hold everybody in

654
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 4: the black for the quarterback, he'll come all us, We're

655
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: gonna go plus one.

656
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: It's it's crazy, like.

657
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Speaker 1: So there are some really cool, complicated defenses and that's

658
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of getting high level thoughts good defenses we played against.

659
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: But I do think that one of the things that

660
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk about because Tanner brought this up,

661
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: is what, you know, what made dan Quinn successful. And

662
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: let's start with his time in Seattle. So when he

663
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Speaker 1: was in Seattle, they played an eight man box. So

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Speaker 1: usually in Tampa. In Tampa two you play a seven

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Speaker 1: man box, so forty line and three linebackers, and the

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Speaker 1: Cover three they played an eight man box. So one

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Speaker 1: of the things, one of the deficiencies about Tampa two

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Speaker 1: is you need to make sure you have a great

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Speaker 1: middle linebacker who can push the middle of the field,

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Speaker 1: and your light when it comes to run fits.

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Speaker 4: No, you got to have a great nickel and rund

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Speaker 4: a bober like Nikol that tackles BLI in coverage.

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Speaker 1: Right, but your lighting run fits because like if I

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Speaker 1: get out there in twelve personnel, we have seven guys

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Speaker 1: to fit eight gaps, and so you're short of gap always.

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Speaker 2: That's where the corners got to come in.

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Speaker 1: So team started running all this outside zone stuff and

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Speaker 1: forcing corners to have to run fit and that didn't

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Speaker 1: go very well.

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Speaker 2: So teams are getting run out the door.

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Speaker 1: So what Dan did in Seattle is they got in

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Speaker 1: this Cover three, which is an eight man box, so

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Speaker 1: they're plus one in the run game, and they always

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Speaker 1: had a strong and weak overhang, so you could no

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Speaker 1: longer run outside zone. But the problem is you're now

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Speaker 1: short in coverage because you like we could attack seams.

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Speaker 1: What they did a great job of is like they

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Speaker 1: brought Cam Chanceller down the box. They brought that Sam

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Speaker 1: linebacker down the box, and what they would do is

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Speaker 1: they would reroute number two to the middle of the field.

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Speaker 1: And they also had one of the best post safeties

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Speaker 1: we talked about, Yeah, free safeties in the NFL, right

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Speaker 1: because that dude could cover so much grass. So you

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Speaker 1: talk about Jimmy gin Joe's making it come alive. What's

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Speaker 1: his name, I'm totally forgetting his name right now. The

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Speaker 1: safety ltom he could cover. So we're forcing it to

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Speaker 1: Earl Thomas. You can't run the football, and we understand

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Speaker 1: these are our weak spots and we're gonna force you

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Speaker 1: to throw the football.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, and I had all that being said,

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Speaker 5: they've been very disruptive on the outside the corner. They

702
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Speaker 5: are in your face. They either gonna jam you or

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Speaker 5: make you think they're gonna jam you and bail out

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Speaker 5: and make sure that now like it was one of

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Speaker 5: them things like I used to hate playing them because

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Speaker 5: I'm like, you're prepared for one thing, and then as

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Speaker 5: a receiver, you only got so much time to you know,

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Speaker 5: to react, and then you say, oh, I ain't getting

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Speaker 5: jammed now im free. But now your defense, I mean

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Speaker 5: your office of line is trouble. It's bombarded with either

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Speaker 5: a rush or there's so many guys in the backfield.

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Speaker 3: The ball got to go.

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Speaker 5: So if you ain't in your route, it's a route.

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Speaker 4: And don't forgetting Now the corner they had now rich

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Speaker 4: I mean Richard Sherman six half and your boy Brandon

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Speaker 4: Browner Browning on the other side six four at the time.

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Speaker 3: And they did that for fade routes like.

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Speaker 4: He understood that long corners with long U like I

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Speaker 4: not rarely got be on phase because even if you

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Speaker 4: had a step on me, you still got to drop

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Speaker 4: it in the bucket. And my ms allowed me to

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Speaker 4: go get the ball. Imagine a guy that six three

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Speaker 4: and a half your face route is absolute limb of

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Speaker 4: the plays.

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Speaker 3: When you think Legion Buom, what you think about Richard

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Speaker 3: Sermon and the end.

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Speaker 4: Z on with Michael Krabs fate, you're not gonna get

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Speaker 4: it like oldies, all of the IT routes are like

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Speaker 4: why was people continue to do phase that these guys

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Speaker 4: because it's the only thing that you out of traffic.

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Speaker 4: But also he built his defense fund his corners to

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Speaker 4: play this every play.

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Speaker 1: I'm really glad you brought that up because it worked.

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Speaker 1: Those tall corners worked in that defense because they didn't

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Speaker 1: have to play true straight.

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Speaker 3: Man mad to play in routes.

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Speaker 1: They have to play anything right because that's where the

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Speaker 1: hook players, that's where Cam Chanceller is, that's where the

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Speaker 1: same linebacker is. Because they were so good at dropping

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Speaker 1: the spots. And we talked about covering fifty three right, yes,

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Speaker 1: and Bobby Wagner, all those guys were so good at

742
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Speaker 1: getting the spots and covering grass. So they said, oh,

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Speaker 1: you can throw the flat. We're gonna rally to it

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Speaker 1: all of us. And the other thing about Tampa two,

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Speaker 1: you know, with minute, with Miami and Tampa Bay and

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Speaker 1: all these different teams, is they had great pass rush.

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Speaker 1: Dan understood that and said, we're not gonna have to

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Speaker 1: hold up forever. You've got a great pass rush. So basically,

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Speaker 1: gonna be great on first and second down, right, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna stop the run.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be third and eight. Make you one dimension.

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Speaker 1: And now we're gonna get our hockey team rotation pass

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Speaker 1: rushers out there, and we're gonna let those guys eat

754
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Speaker 1: because we're gonna make sure you can't attack the seams

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Speaker 1: and cover three.

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Speaker 2: Just think about that's the weakness, that's what the space is.

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Speaker 2: Definitely right. You want to go faux vertical.

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Speaker 3: You want faux vertical against covert.

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Speaker 2: And it was and it was a nightmare to try

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Speaker 2: to throw the football against side.

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Speaker 5: But it was so crazy too because like with all

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Speaker 5: that said, you know how brutal it was. For when

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Speaker 5: we went up to Seattle, it was man handled them

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Speaker 5: with that first quarter of the playoff game. We had

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Speaker 5: him right in our hands, like you know RG was

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Speaker 5: because and I think you can you can kind of

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Speaker 5: give credit to just the fact that r G being

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Speaker 5: an elusive quarterback made them do things a little differently.

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Speaker 5: You see. Now, Yeah, now you can't. Now you have

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Speaker 5: to respect the run and not them not knowing that

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Speaker 5: he's not as a looser because his leg and the

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Speaker 5: big old brace, but you had to respect the run

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Speaker 5: and the past with him.

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Speaker 1: Well, we just talked about how they have an eight

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Speaker 1: man front. If you have a quarterback, now you have

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Speaker 1: nine gaps to defend. You're short, right, And that's what

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Speaker 1: a running quarterback does from a run game, is it

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Speaker 1: makes you short, and that's what they did.

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Speaker 4: He shrinks a playbook, A running quarterback shrinks a play defensively, saying,

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Speaker 4: defensively anytime we knew we were finisa play a running quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I already know in my head as a venching cornerback.

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Speaker 4: All right, we ain't running no man to man. So

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Speaker 4: I can get that out of my head. You gotta

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Speaker 4: we have to all the limm eyes at this quarterback.

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Speaker 4: He paralyzes your defensive playgout. So we shoused to get

786
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Speaker 4: mad because what you call them cover three just hands tied,

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Speaker 4: you know, like my hands are tied. I can't do

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Speaker 4: that against Cam Newton. Like it doesn't I can't run

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Speaker 4: man a man against Cam Newton.

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Speaker 3: It ain't right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I think that was cover three and

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Speaker 1: they let me just say this. It goes back to

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Speaker 1: that Jimmys and Joe thinking they had the dudes to

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Speaker 1: run this defense. Like Cam Chancer could not play post safety,

795
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Speaker 1: but he could carry a vertical right.

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Speaker 2: Thomas could cover.

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Speaker 1: I remember watching a clip of Thomas and before the

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Speaker 1: playoff game of him breaking up a slant de.

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Speaker 5: He was like a damn torpedo. Yesh, he just threw

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Speaker 5: his butt body around recklessly.

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Speaker 4: And Samy was very inten very s he was a genius.

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Speaker 2: Then kJ Wright was great.

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Speaker 1: It was like kind of a defensive end linebacker Bruce Irving,

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Speaker 1: same type of thing that could set a hard edge

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Speaker 1: on a tight end or a tackle, force it back inside.

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Speaker 1: And then the two cornerbacks man to their credit, like

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Speaker 1: one of those guys probably has a gold jacket here

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Speaker 1: coming up soon.

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Speaker 2: But they they knew how.

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Speaker 1: To play that defense really, really well. So you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously success breeds, you know, comparison, right, so everybody in

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Speaker 1: the league tries to copy him. So you know, people

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Speaker 1: go to Jacksonville, people go and then everyone's trying to

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Speaker 1: run Seattle cover three. The problem is everyone knows how

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Speaker 1: to beat cover three. And if you don't have the

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Speaker 1: horses to get it done, you're a person. Now you're

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Speaker 1: gonna look silly.

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Speaker 4: And when he say beats covered three, every coverage has

819
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Speaker 4: a weakness, talking about it, every coverage has a weakness,

820
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Speaker 4: and it's up to us to know where the weakness at,

821
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Speaker 4: to know where to rally.

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Speaker 3: That's what we call our rally point.

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Speaker 4: Like he said, and cover three, you can try to

824
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Speaker 4: hit them, scenes you gotta realize, but them.

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Speaker 3: Scenes got to be thrown in this window, and it

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Speaker 3: got to be thrown at the head.

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Speaker 5: Inside, gotta be thrown on.

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Speaker 3: The line, got to be thrown on the bline.

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Speaker 4: Well, most quarterbacks they want to try to put air

830
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Speaker 4: under that ball, and that's when you see Earl Thomas

831
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Speaker 4: and can Chandler decapitate somebody because.

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Speaker 3: They didn't throw the ball up there.

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Speaker 4: And we like, so we're looking for those rally points.

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Speaker 4: Cover two, like you said, they're gonna try to take

835
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Speaker 4: the outside. This is your rally.

836
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Speaker 3: Point on that one.

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Speaker 5: Cover four.

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Speaker 3: Cover four is one of those.

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Speaker 1: Things playing light boxes there. It's a good coverage, but

840
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Speaker 1: edges are soft, soft.

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Speaker 3: Edge in the soft hand.

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Speaker 4: Once y'all start to run deep, crossing rafts and stuff,

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Speaker 4: it can't get money in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think it's about attacking defense. So the

845
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Speaker 1: league knew how to attack Cover three. Basically they cover,

846
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Speaker 1: and so without the personnel in Jacksonville about the pass

847
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Speaker 1: rush which you talked about a ton, and without those

848
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Speaker 1: coverage players in the back end, people started to exploit it.

849
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Speaker 2: So what does Dan do? They switched it up, and

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Speaker 2: you know what's wild Tana is he evolves back. So

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Speaker 2: he evolves back to Tampa two.

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Speaker 1: So when you look at him leaving Atlanta, because he

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Speaker 1: was still trying to do the same stuff. So they

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Speaker 1: got really man heavy, they didn't have the personnel. Goes

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Speaker 1: to Dallas, Tampa two, Cover three man, the man is

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Speaker 1: what they run. But I'm saying tons they have. That's

857
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Speaker 1: what they started doing, and they do enough. You know,

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Speaker 1: everyone kind of went to this match coverage. He says, no,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go back to the basics. Yeah, which I

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Speaker 1: think is brilliant because he can disguise his man to

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Speaker 1: look like Tampa two. You can desire this Tampa two

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Speaker 1: to look like Cover three. And so Tanner, you always

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Speaker 1: talk about this and talk about it for a second

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Speaker 1: about how hard it is for a receiver to say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I think it's man, but it's actually Tampa two, or

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Speaker 1: it's man but it's Cover three.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's I mean, you gotta understand, we all

868
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Speaker 5: have a clock, and that clock on the outside. That's

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Speaker 5: why when you're watching these kids training now with these

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Speaker 5: coaches in the off season, and they're doing all these

871
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Speaker 5: round cripple routes, they stepping back and doing all over

872
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 5: their feet, that's all fine, and that it looks good

873
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 5: for the instagram, but in the.

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Speaker 2: Heat of the battle, it doesn't work.

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Speaker 5: You got a clock and you want to be at

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Speaker 5: your spot when that quarterback is ready to throw that ball,

877
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Speaker 5: So you know you got a chance to look like

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Speaker 5: I used to always tell folks like I just told

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Speaker 5: this to one of the kids and down the Legend

880
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Speaker 5: camp in Miami. He asked me, like, what it is about?

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Speaker 5: You know, what did I see that gave me advantages

882
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 5: of you know, coverages or corners. I'm like, I didn't

883
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 5: care about who I was going against. I just knew

884
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 5: how to read coverages. I knew if I had cover

885
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 5: two on my side. I knew if I had four,

886
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 5: I know if I had some kind of man, I

887
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 5: know if I had three. And I said, it all

888
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 5: started the safety. I'll look at the safety on my side.

889
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 5: I said, Okay, he down, So that means that other

890
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 5: safty is going to probably be in the middlefield, or

891
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 5: that's a priest out read I'm reading, or at the

892
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 5: hike of the ball. He gonna show me something then

893
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 5: get back rock and rollers. But I got nothing, But

894
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 5: I got I got a clock on me, so I

895
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 5: got seconds to learn this or see this, and within that,

896
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 5: I still have my route, so i can't worry about

897
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 5: what happens. I'm gonna just eliminate myself as the route

898
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 5: going on. So I'm running my right. I'm not worried

899
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 5: about where he's running to. I'm just gonna run off

900
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 5: the way that cornerback is playing me. So if I

901
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 5: see the cornerback not playing aggressive because of what I

902
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 5: read before, and he's off me, now I know I

903
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 5: have a chance. Or if I see that he's aggressive,

904
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 5: not that he done came down, now I know I

905
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 5: have to adjust and get to the outside because now

906
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 5: that guy has showed me a different looking Now he's

907
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 5: probably in cover too. So all that stuff is like

908
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 5: within time, and you gotta you gonna You can't eliminate yourself.

909
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 5: You still have to run your route, you know, carry

910
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 5: out your assignment.

911
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: You got to open up a window for somebody else.

912
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 5: Bingo. I was just wanna say, but if you're not

913
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 5: the guy, you gotta be the decoy and make sure

914
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 5: somebody else is pretty much getting open.

915
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: And from an offensive perspective, like decoy is probably the

916
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: wrong word, but you gotta distribute the coverage.

917
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, got to biking his own Ben just make use

918
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 4: our rules against us, meaning if you really want to

919
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 4: beat covered two, I could go three by running, run,

920
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: double post, setting and kill it every time one or

921
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 4: two because I can create a one.

922
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: I know where the wonder is at, and I know

923
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: how teams used attack me.

924
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 4: Because two, it is good that I always said like

925
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: I like it when teams, and I seen Coach Quinn

926
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 4: do this a lot in Dallas with they would and

927
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 4: in opportune times played two man under, like when I said,

928
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: I always thought two men under was the hardest, because

929
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 4: if y'all remember past Certain's senior and Sam Madison and

930
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 4: Jason Taylor and them boys in Miami and them Dophins

931
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: run there two man under, they dominate the leave for

932
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 4: four or five years doing oh like. And they was

933
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 4: doing it against running quarterback when people wouldn't dare do it.

934
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 5: And I had to see that twice twice a year.

935
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 4: My friend tell me, how was that going against Certain

936
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 4: and Sam Madison playing two man others knowing you're beating

937
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 4: them with speed, with speed don't help you in this.

938
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 5: It was crazy because back and I was too naive

939
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 5: to even understand what they was doing. I knew they

940
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 5: was good. Well, you got to think I was so

941
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 5: fast in them years and so young, so I'm just

942
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 5: gonna outrun. I was out running most of the time.

943
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 5: But you gotta understand one of the things that was

944
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 5: good about when you have that two men under depending

945
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 5: on how how how long you want to be underneath me,

946
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 5: like if you don't, if you don't get underneath me

947
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 5: immediately like this. You know, I've always seen the older

948
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 5: veteran quarterbacks take these shots more so than the young guys,

949
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 5: especially if they're confident in the You had that honey hole.

950
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 5: But you know that one of that bit is that

951
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 5: big depending on how good how slow your safety is.

952
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 5: You saw so prime example, everybody hear me talk about

953
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 5: the games that I appreciated here and blah blahl. You know,

954
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 5: I talk about that Jacksonville game that was a honey

955
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 5: hole shot. Now what was crazy is that Mark Mark

956
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 5: Brunell didn't care he had balls are still her Mark

957
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 5: better quarterback talking about quarterback, he was sitting so deep.

958
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 5: Mark said, by the time he look up for the

959
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 5: balls gonna be there. If you watch that player in

960
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 5: Jacksonville and in that overtime game, the safety was already

961
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 5: coming down b Lineman, deon On Branch, Deon Grant. I mean,

962
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 5: and the damn coner was running with me trailing, but

963
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 5: he didn't have the dignity to look. He didn't have the.

964
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: System look back, Rashi Mattis.

965
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 5: So by the time I jumped and attacked the ball

966
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 5: because I'm attacking it because I see the safety, I'm like, man,

967
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 5: I'm finna get killed. But I got to go for

968
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 5: it because you know, Mark got an opportunity. You know,

969
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 5: I just went for it. But get back to the

970
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 5: you know, the question of how difficult it was playing

971
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 5: a dophice like that. We had those moments where Vinnie

972
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 5: Testabury would tell me, hey, don't fall asleep back then,

973
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you a shot. So when they play that,

974
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 5: you have to make them stay true to what they

975
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 5: got because now that corner go try to put his

976
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 5: hand in there and look back. Yes he running, which

977
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 5: would now open up other things, you know what I'm saying.

978
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 5: If they're in that.

979
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: Coverage, yeah, absolutely, And I think like that that is

980
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: something that I think is really interesting to kind of

981
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: talk about. It's like, you didn't know but a quarterback

982
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: new work coverage and you were able to run your ride.

983
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: Accordingly, he's able to get you the ball.

984
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: The thing that I see when I watched Dallas's defense

985
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: from last year is they think they know the coverage.

986
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: I remember watching the game in twenty twenty two with

987
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: Taylor Heine keep playing quarterback and it looks like, man,

988
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: you got your man beater on.

989
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: He's working his man beating side.

990
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: They rolled the cover to Tampa two and it's dead

991
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: because everyone's just standing and throwing windows.

992
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, oh shoot, like and that gets

993
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 2: him to pump the ball and then they they have boom.

994
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: They have a good enough pastors.

995
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 4: Never under discress watch Dalla's play. Their corners never look distressed.

996
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 5: Didn't mean I ain't got nothing to worry you, because

997
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 5: one up front and making it the scheme is one

998
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 5: and the coverage.

999
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you said this already, but like

1000
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: when when you watch again Dallas, when you watch Seattle,

1001
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: when you watch LA when they were rolling the coverage

1002
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: is matched to the rush ye time, and it's and

1003
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: Joe Whitt and Dan are able to do such a

1004
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: good job in Dallas of being like, hey, let's get

1005
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: this rotation, let's disguise it so we can help the rush.

1006
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: And here we're going to be in this man situation,

1007
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: we're going to bring an extra rusher to help the coverage.

1008
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: And they just understand how to call that game at

1009
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: such a high level. But I do think the evolution

1010
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: from straight cover three to this version of the defense

1011
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: is really interesting.

1012
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 4: And I think they do a great job adapting to

1013
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 4: the quarterback they are playing. They play quarterbacks different, they

1014
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 4: play a veteruran know it all with a gas totally

1015
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: different than the guy that I'm just happy to be here,

1016
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 4: God here, and I'm trying to figure it out myself.

1017
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 3: So we x is it the scheme?

1018
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 5: Is it?

1019
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 4: The Jim and Jebels, Like everything in life is just

1020
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 4: a mixture of both.

1021
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: Also, I think this is something else that can speak to too,

1022
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: because he's been in offenses like this.

1023
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: They do a really good job.

1024
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: Of being like, these are our fore calls, and these

1025
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: are our rules and all these four calls.

1026
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: Let's say we getting a bad look. I don't need

1027
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: to freak out.

1028
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: We've run Cover three versus this, We've run our two

1029
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: seen it, we run table two versus this.

1030
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: There's no reason to freak out.

1031
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: We just got to get it communicated as opposed to

1032
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: some of these match teams which they have a check

1033
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: for everything. Yeah, because it has to be one hundred

1034
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: percent right to get everything so and no one can

1035
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: play fast.

1036
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 4: That's why they do a lot of rubb routes, and

1037
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 4: that's why they do a lot of front end motion,

1038
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 4: like I'm finna do the whip motion with with Deebo

1039
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: Samuels just to see how you want to say to it.

1040
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 5: Or not even just the whip motion, just getting the

1041
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 5: ball into those playmakers' hands now, Like instead of us

1042
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 5: going down the field with this ball, I'd rather run

1043
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 5: things up at them and get a guy to take

1044
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 5: a couple of steps up and get him, give him

1045
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 5: the spot, run him ahead to give him a nown

1046
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 5: ball so we can get those yards and get them

1047
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 5: to you know, change what they're trying to do to us.

1048
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 5: Because prime exam you just talk about the telehine and

1049
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 5: keeps seeing it and seeing one thing and then thinking

1050
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 5: that he saw that. You don't want to get in

1051
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 5: that guessing game, especially if you don't feel like you

1052
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 5: had a quarterback that and they don't get right. So

1053
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 5: now what you do now, say, I'm gonna get these

1054
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 5: running backs out the backfield, get them into some of

1055
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 5: these lanes that can suck up some of this coverage

1056
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,479
Speaker 5: and then get the guys behind. You know what I'm saying.

1057
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 4: And that's why they do the wheel route. That's why

1058
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 4: the wheel routes are different, I mean deadly. That's why

1059
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 4: they're doing.

1060
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: A lot of those inside fame routes.

1061
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 5: We kind of we kind of alluded to it. One

1062
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 5: of the things that I loved about the the high

1063
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 5: low passing game. Depending on what you you know what

1064
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 5: I mean, you you're in So if I got a

1065
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 5: I got a corner that he's playing me, he's in between.

1066
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 5: He don't he's not showing me. Is he going to

1067
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 5: be high or low? Now I got this guy in

1068
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 5: the slot that's going to say, okay, depending on what

1069
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 5: he do, throwing it hitch or we ain't even throwing

1070
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 5: this corner behind him. You see what I'm saying. And

1071
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 5: I remember being in a part of the West Coast

1072
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 5: in New York where we want to see New England

1073
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 5: be like that. New England would play that off. It

1074
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 5: is too but we're so deep as a corner tying

1075
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 5: to run a hitch, run that fire y'all hitch on

1076
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 5: our side and wait and boom, he gonna hit me

1077
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 5: now if he now now now if he see the

1078
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 5: hitch and he's strike up there trying to get me.

1079
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 5: He got this corner for mean, right behind that corner

1080
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 5: back and boom, you can hear him. So and you

1081
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 5: don't just do it in those different coverages. But it

1082
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 5: just was one of those things that we did to

1083
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 5: kind of get you to stay true to what you're

1084
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 5: doing and show us something. Now. Don't don't sit and

1085
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 5: wait because you sit and try to you know, deally

1086
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 5: dally with it. We're gonna take advantage of that hitch now.

1087
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: All right.

1088
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: So all that being said about the defense and the

1089
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: evolution of defense, specifically this stan Quinn Joe with defense.

1090
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: What's the expectation for him here? Like I have thoughts

1091
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: on this, but I'm curious.

1092
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: You can start us faster than any other side of

1093
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 4: the ball. I expect for them to hit the ground rolling.

1094
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 4: They got three interior, the two guys we had plus

1095
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 4: drafted one.

1096
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: We brought in edge rushes. Right now.

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Speaker 3: People got our linebackers. It's a top five group, all right.

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00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 4: And the only people that can benefit that is them

1099
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 4: defensive backs, I expect for them to start a lot

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00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 4: faster than the hours I.

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00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 5: Was finna say. I expect our cornerback play to be

1102
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 5: a huge upgrade, even up front. I think with some

1103
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 5: of the guys that we already have in Pain and

1104
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 5: Allen coming back then and having what you call the

1105
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 5: guy Bridgeway and new coming back, and then you add

1106
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 5: the new guys, it's gonna be It's gonna be to

1107
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 5: me interesting to see how like like he just said,

1108
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 5: he expected them to play faster or be or I

1109
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 5: guess you could say turn the curve on defense quicker

1110
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 5: than our offense. I believe so too. I think I

1111
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 5: think our defense automately coming to this season dominant.

1112
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 3: How we felt last year.

1113
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 4: You know how we felt last year like the defense

1114
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 4: should be so and so I really do feel with nobody.

1115
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: Saying it, because I just feel like we've gotten so

1116
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 5: much better at linebacker. Yeah yeah, alone. And then you

1117
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 5: got the way they play play the game, how disrupted

1118
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 5: they are, how brisk they are. That's just going to

1119
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 5: only raise the everybody Antanna's on the offensive side to

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Speaker 5: be quicker. And then now you know what Joe Whitt

1121
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 5: told us, how he get those cornerbacks to be ready

1122
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 5: for you know, because now they got to play off

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00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 5: those guys up front. Hey, he's gonna set the tone

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00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 5: for you, so be.

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Speaker 3: Ready for that back.

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Speaker 5: That ball got to come out right now, you know

1127
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. So now the cornerback play is gonna

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Speaker 5: be a huge upgrade.

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00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with that.

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00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 1: I also think like you're going to see a version

1131
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: of what they did in Dallas, but I think it's

1132
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: going to kind of modify to what they did with

1133
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: the personnel here. I think they've done a good job

1134
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: of bringing in the other thing about Dallas's defense, and

1135
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: again we're talking about Dallas defense a lot because that's

1136
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: the point of comparison. But it did an awesome job

1137
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: of basically playing positionless football, you know, like much like

1138
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: this positionless basketball, Like we're out.

1139
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: There and Nickel, we're out there in dime.

1140
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 5: We've got back even be safeties, and safeties can be

1141
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 5: like in yeah.

1142
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've got those people that can match up

1143
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: with the speed right of the passing game at the

1144
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: NFL level. So I think that's what you'll see. I mean,

1145
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned some of the personnel, which is exciting, but

1146
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm excited to see, like, you know,

1147
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: like I think Joe Wait a couple of days ago

1148
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: said that they have, you know, seventeen starters on defense.

1149
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: They have a nickel, they have a dime, they have

1150
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: sub rushers, they have different safety packages and so kind

1151
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: of maximizing those guys and then kind of I'm curious

1152
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: to see because everywhere, you know, an offensive scheme goes,

1153
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, like Kyle Shanahan is like the start of

1154
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: this tree still tweaked.

1155
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: It's tweaked, and so what is the tweak for this

1156
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: system here?

1157
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 4: I think the tweak for this system compared to Dallas

1158
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 4: is they was dominated with Lawrence and and uh, Michael

1159
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 4: Parson is outside rushers. I think they're gonna do it

1160
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 4: here and want you to think it's inside dominated, but

1161
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 4: it's still gonna be outsideminated.

1162
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: He just knows.

1163
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 4: Because of the depth we have inside, you're going to

1164
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: rather go check a B gap before you check se

1165
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 4: because let's not like we got a Michael Parsons.

1166
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 5: Do you think I Well, looking back at Dallas last year,

1167
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 5: just seeing that they had to play like that young

1168
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 5: kid at I think we have a huge upgrade here linebacker.

1169
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 5: While yeah, we do, I think our linebacker already is

1170
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 5: better than what they had last year. I mean, I

1171
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 5: know they had.

1172
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 4: We better as a group group, they got one star.

1173
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 4: We better as a group.

1174
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 5: We have we have a group of guys, So I

1175
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 5: think we're we're a little more potent there. I think

1176
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 5: what they're they're heavier at their top, heavier in the

1177
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 5: D line position when it comes to the past, Ed's

1178
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 5: Russia single yo, But I think the interior is better

1179
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 5: than anybody's.

1180
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Speaker 3: Linebackers as a group is better than there.

1181
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: They'll probably say Bland and Digs a better corner pair,

1182
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 4: but guess what our coaches.

1183
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: Made them made them And I know Zim.

1184
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 4: The one thing about Mike Zienman, he believed leaving Conan's

1185
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 4: out there by theyself.

1186
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: So we're gonna see how this fairs. Because the one

1187
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: thing we knew before Din's got hurt.

1188
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 4: He had nine in the session. But he also gave

1189
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 4: up the most. It's it's a given and take there.

1190
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: But Bland actually didn't give up the most league. He

1191
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 4: gave up a lot of your table. But you see

1192
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 4: they're willing to say we'll take the game change and

1193
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 4: play instead of sit back and get punched in the

1194
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 4: face because.

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Speaker 2: Of that composition.

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00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: The difference in composition in terms of defensive line. Do

1197
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: you think they blitz a little bit more? I mean

1198
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: they but they buttz a fair amountain Dallas, But I

1199
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: think you think I.

1200
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 4: Think they blittered little bit more because of our linebackers,

1201
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: because of the speed of Jamie Day, because of Frankie Luvu.

1202
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: I think they want to say where's Waldo is? All time?

1203
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 3: They want you to figure out who is all doing

1204
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: on that defense.

1205
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1206
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: So I think that that leads a night sleing to

1207
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: the next segment, which is how do our guys fit?

1208
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: You kind of talked about it a little bit with

1209
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: you know, Frankie Louvu, like, you know, his ability to

1210
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: rush the pastor again then Dallas they used the like

1211
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: vander Esh, they used Michael Parsons, they used Anthony Barr.

1212
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: In certain situations they become pass rushers and those are

1213
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: those are past rushes. They could win one on one

1214
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: versus offensive linement and make projection.

1215
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: Calls hard for you to do. Yeah, so that's one element. Obviously.

1216
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: Drown and John like, I.

1217
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Speaker 4: Think it's just perfect for them because they have been

1218
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: here y'all. First round is go do it now? Dey

1219
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 4: fina not even doing all these stunts like they're going

1220
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 4: to be freeing them up on purpose. And I think

1221
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 4: John and Pain is gonna this is They're gonna be

1222
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 4: like this is refreshing to me, Like I think this

1223
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 4: is gonna really invigorate their career because they probably ain't

1224
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 4: never gonna hand. Nobody did it in fools. I know

1225
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 4: for a fact because I've talked to Joe Wick about

1226
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: them too. Is if you look at Bland film, Digg's

1227
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 4: film Coming out of College, you look at Phillip's film,

1228
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 4: and I know how to coach Witt think from his

1229
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 4: time with a Harris in Green Bay and child Woodson

1230
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 4: letting him be bow out. He loved offensive minded cornerbacks

1231
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 4: and aggressively. Yeah, very and I think my guy has

1232
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 4: the bow skills in full of to be to flourish

1233
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 4: under this thing, like get his comfort this all the

1234
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 4: way back in flourish under this thing.

1235
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: Now, I'm with you on that. I think I'm really

1236
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: excited to see what Forbes does. I'm also excited to

1237
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: see what Benjamin Saint justus looks like. Kwan is a

1238
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: guy that I think is going to be really interesting

1239
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: because we talked about the positionless stuf. Kwan last year

1240
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: played linebacker, played nickel, played safety and did a pretty

1241
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: good job at all three. Yeah, and I think having

1242
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: a guy that can bring that skill set, like what

1243
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: is Kwan?

1244
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: Like?

1245
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 2: I remember playing at Green Bay Packers. This is a

1246
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, you know, probably twenty thirteen, and

1247
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 2: you know, they would come out and match twelve personnel,

1248
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: so two tight ends and a running back and I'm

1249
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 2: and I remember being out there trying to target runs

1250
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: and You're like, is that the safety?

1251
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: Is that the Nick Nick Collins at the time? I

1252
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: think so is that the corner? Like who do we who?

1253
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: How do we target the run? And so just that

1254
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: ability to kind of put offenses in consternation. Jeremy ch

1255
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: with Jeremy Chin is a great example. Dominic Campton, that yeah,

1256
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: dime kind of guy.

1257
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kurt, think about how they played Curse last.

1258
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's the same way right with that

1259
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: dime roll. I think there's a lot of really cool opportunities,

1260
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of see that to maximize these

1261
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: skill sets. And then again, I think you're going to

1262
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: see a similar coverage structure at the beginning, but ultimately

1263
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: I think they find their legs and they find their identity. Say, hey, man,

1264
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: we ran a lot more man in Dallas, but we're

1265
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: actually a little bit more comfortable in Tampa.

1266
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 2: Touo, yeah or whatever whatever that looks, because he got.

1267
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: To fill out the group. And I think because.

1268
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 4: This land backers are so enticing, it's gonna let him

1269
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 4: blitz a lot more to question, is he gonna be

1270
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: man blitz in a zone blitzing thinking of the zone blitz.

1271
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. And so Tanna, you're excited.

1272
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 5: Very excited. Man. I told you, I've been wanting to

1273
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 5: see us playing on that level, have that style of

1274
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 5: play that I've seen guys of that nature, you know,

1275
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 5: like like like Dallas. You know what I mean. I was.

1276
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 5: I was mad sitting there watching us. You know, can't

1277
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 5: can't can't basically you know, compete. You know, those guys

1278
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 5: are just on the other side of the ball. And

1279
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 5: I've been waiting for us to because I feel like

1280
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 5: we had the players. You know, you have so many,

1281
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 5: so much talent around you, and you just don't see

1282
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 5: the same type of play. So yeah, coaches down here now.

1283
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: Either way, we're excited based on the evolution of the

1284
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: defense because it's cool when when, when when teams and

1285
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: coaches evolved their philosophy to fill what the NFL is doing.

1286
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: Excited to see how the utilized players because they have

1287
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: history doing that well. Excited to see them maximize these

1288
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: corners because of the history of that as well. But

1289
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: really can't wait to see when the pads come on

1290
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: during training camp and see how all of this history,

1291
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: all this analysis, all this great defensive insight comes together

1292
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Speaker 1: for this group.

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to do it for today's show.

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