WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Other People’s Struggles

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<v Speaker 1>The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot

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<v Speaker 1>screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Cowboys apt Now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nicky Spagnola, and we are back for another edition

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<v Speaker 1>of mix Shots. It is a Senior Bowl edition of

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<v Speaker 1>mix Shots. We've got our Super Bowl matchup all set

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<v Speaker 1>and the Cowboys. Now what is it? One? Two, three

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<v Speaker 1>weeks into the twenty twenty one offseason. We've got so

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<v Speaker 1>much to get caught up on. As we welcome you

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<v Speaker 1>to another edition of mix Shots. As Mickey Spagnola is

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<v Speaker 1>inside the SWBC Mortgage studios at Forward Center at the

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<v Speaker 1>Star in Frisco, ready for duty. Everson Walls inside his

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<v Speaker 1>own s WBC mortgage studio at his home, and I

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<v Speaker 1>am as well, and y'all ready for a Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>matchup of quarterbacks? What do y'all think? I am so

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<v Speaker 1>sick of quarterbacks. Go ahead, Spacks. I'll get into that

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<v Speaker 1>crap later. I'm so sick of quarterbacks right now, geez,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to have my own show for that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, Everson. I didn't say quarterbacks. A Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>matchup of cornerbacks. Oh sorry, yes, we're looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>wood William. Thank you, sir, spoken like a true defensive back, right, Mickey,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta be uh you gotta be excited that this

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<v Speaker 1>is a Senior Bowl week, that you're able to monitor

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<v Speaker 1>things from a distance. It is. We're a week away

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<v Speaker 1>from media day at the Super Bowl and you got

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<v Speaker 1>to do that from a distance. But you got to

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<v Speaker 1>be excited that the Cowboys are now three weeks into

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<v Speaker 1>this and there's not much, not much to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>as far as this coaching staff right now that things

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<v Speaker 1>are resolved, well, it looks like it's resolved. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>there may be. I don't know if there's another move

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<v Speaker 1>coming or not. I'm still looking at that linebacker position,

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<v Speaker 1>coaching position. We'll see what ends up happening there. But

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, I'm I'm I'm sort of with Everson on

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterback thing, not so much the uh my homes.

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<v Speaker 1>But can we get a little bit more of Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Brady on how spectacular lee he played in the game

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<v Speaker 1>with three consecutive interceptions, you know, and I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>was really good afterwards when they interviewed him on the

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<v Speaker 1>field when he basically said, Hey, go talk to some

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<v Speaker 1>of the other guys, right, Maybe go talk to those

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<v Speaker 1>defensive guys, right, maybe go to maybe maybe go interview

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<v Speaker 1>green Bay, right, and uh, figure out why they go

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<v Speaker 1>go go inter view the cornerback for green Bay number twenty. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a comparison on that one too, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>or the head coach who decides kicking field goals is

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<v Speaker 1>a really good thing, right, And when we get into

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<v Speaker 1>this bill, I'm gonna I'm gonna get into the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>making that same sort of decisions in the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and nine Divisional Round playoff game against Minnesota, when the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys went up against a team that was nearly averaging

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<v Speaker 1>thirty points a game, and in their last two games

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<v Speaker 1>in the regular season they scored thirty and forty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet the Cowboys, on fourth and one at the third

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota thirty eight, decided let's just try a field goal

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<v Speaker 1>against this team, because, as we know, the more field

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<v Speaker 1>goals you attempt, the closer you are the losing So

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<v Speaker 1>I think those are the things that really decided this game,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Well, and difference they make right now has

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<v Speaker 1>a target on Spagnola's back. I like that the more

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<v Speaker 1>field goals you kicked, the closer you are to losing. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in that case, it was definitely true for the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Packers. But let's be real, guys, And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I started off talking about the quarterbacks and things that nature.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, that's just the nature of the beasts. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually recall because I was playing at the time when

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<v Speaker 1>they decided to put the quarterbacks officially into their own club,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, let's market quarterbacks even more. And so that

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<v Speaker 1>as a defensive player and as a man trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make his own livelihood at doing the same things that

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterbacks are doing, I took offense to it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it is what it is right now. So here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time we comment on the football game, it's always

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<v Speaker 1>from what the quarterback is thinking, as if no one

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<v Speaker 1>else on that particular team has any thought process, individual

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<v Speaker 1>thought process in the heads. They don't have a life.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just drones. You know, you guys, just go do

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<v Speaker 1>your job. The quarterback is the guy. It's like the

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<v Speaker 1>queen Bee. That's what the quarterback is, all right. So

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<v Speaker 1>greenback Queen Bee been getting praised all year long, deservedly so,

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<v Speaker 1>been making plays all year long on his own. It

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<v Speaker 1>just seemed like he was a coach on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry about Aaron Rodgers. He's gonna do his job

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what. If there's a stake that's made it,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers will get the benefit of the doubt in

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<v Speaker 1>any questionable situation. And that's pretty much any quarterback unless

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<v Speaker 1>you're Dak Prescott. I guess so here it is. You

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<v Speaker 1>have a chance, as Aaron Rodgers to do what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>You're down in the red zone. You've got a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to either run or throw. Your decision making process has

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<v Speaker 1>always been on point and quit at the time. And

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, Aaron Rodgers gets pressure on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Not just that particular play, but as the game goes on,

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<v Speaker 1>you can feel him panicking. You can see that he's

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<v Speaker 1>not as poised as he was. He's not Joe Cool anymore. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, Aaron Rodgers makes an instant mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>It just happened, just very quickly. You have a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to either pass or run on third down. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care if you know that the coach wants to kick

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<v Speaker 1>a field goal afterwards or not. It doesn't matter what

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<v Speaker 1>the play call is afterwards, when you have a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to get as many yards as possible running versus throwing

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<v Speaker 1>it to your wife receiver who's not quite that open.

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<v Speaker 1>The pressure is on you. You make that decision pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a no brainer. But not for Aaron Rodgers. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only did he did he do it once, he did

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<v Speaker 1>it twice in the same particular situation, to where that

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<v Speaker 1>moment of hesitancy, which he's never had during the season

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<v Speaker 1>cost him affecting this in that play. And to me,

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<v Speaker 1>those two mistakes really led to the difference in the

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<v Speaker 1>ball game. And that's on your quarterback, who MVP of

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<v Speaker 1>the year all of that, everybody, guys needs a teammate.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody needs teammates to pull them out of the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care if everybody's a Tom Braided, it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Ridge was supposed to be the guy to make

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<v Speaker 1>that play. He didn't make the plays plays twice because

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<v Speaker 1>because he did it. On the other hand, Tom Brady

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<v Speaker 1>through interception second half, what did his defense do. They'd

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<v Speaker 1>stopped the momentum from the Green Bay Packers because their

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<v Speaker 1>defense stepped up. And my illustration is this, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>team game. Let's stop making this about one position. I

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<v Speaker 1>am so tired of it. Defensive players, offensive lineman. They

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<v Speaker 1>have families too, They have parents. Okay, they have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>aspirations to do other things then play football. They might

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<v Speaker 1>want to be coaches, but they don't get that benefit

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<v Speaker 1>because all we talk about is the importance of quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to get out of these guys because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a team game. See and I understand what you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about on the third down play, but here's what should

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<v Speaker 1>have taken place. Matt Lafleur should have told Aaron Rodgers

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<v Speaker 1>on third and goal from the eight, you've got two

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<v Speaker 1>plays to score a touchdown. Because if I think he

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<v Speaker 1>knew ahead of time that he had a fourth down play,

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<v Speaker 1>he could have taken off and run and even if

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't get in, he would at least got inside

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<v Speaker 1>the five. Might have been to the two or three, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think too about the two? Yeah, I thought the two,

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<v Speaker 1>and so if he had known that, I think And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why a lot of head coaches, when they're not

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<v Speaker 1>the offensive coordinator, they'll tell their offensive coordinator, Okay, we're

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<v Speaker 1>in four down territory here, you know, call a play

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<v Speaker 1>on third down. But no you got fourth down, So

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<v Speaker 1>instead of throwing a pass in that situation, maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>run the ball to get closer to make the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>down more makeable. But you just can't kick a field goal.

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<v Speaker 1>And and think of out this, Everson, when when when

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<v Speaker 1>you guys went to San Francisco and won that NFC

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<v Speaker 1>title game, what was it fifteen thirteen or whatever? It's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the key thing hit the field goal to win it.

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<v Speaker 1>The key thing in in that game was you guys

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<v Speaker 1>had the ball at the end. You did not put

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<v Speaker 1>the ball in Joe Montana's hands at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the game. Do not put the ball? Oh that's right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't give them that opportunity, right, Uh, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>give Tom Brady the opportunity to salt a game away. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought that's where they made their mistake. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the other game, uh with McDermott,

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<v Speaker 1>he's kicking field goals. No, Kansas City's gonna score thirty points.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. You know what what everything says before

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<v Speaker 1>my lance bags, it's you can't kick field goals against

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<v Speaker 1>the team at averages thirty plus points a game, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what they did. They kicked field goals and

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, gosh it would have been. I think

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<v Speaker 1>what was at halftime was twenty one twelve. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>go for the touchdown at the end there and score.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I just and so since I started here, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the Cowboys playoff game in Minnesota two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine season. The Cowboys win eleven and five.

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota finished the season twelve and four and ten of

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen games, they had scored thirty points. They were gonna

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<v Speaker 1>score on you. So the Cowboys first possession in that

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<v Speaker 1>game that they ended up losing thirty four to three,

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<v Speaker 1>they drove, they were moving the football. They got a

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<v Speaker 1>first and ten at the Minnesota thirty four and on

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<v Speaker 1>third and fourteen, Romo gets sacked and fumbles on the

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<v Speaker 1>second possession. They're fourth and one at the thirty, fourth

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<v Speaker 1>and one at the thirty against the teams are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>score thirty points on you, and Wade Phillips decides, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have Sweeze him kick a forty eight yard

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<v Speaker 1>field goal. Well, guess what he misses. It's still zero

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<v Speaker 1>zero until Brett five hits Sydney Rice for forty seven

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<v Speaker 1>yard touchdown and even at that the Cowboys come back

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<v Speaker 1>the next possession, first in goal at the nine, at

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<v Speaker 1>the nine, and they end up third and goal at

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<v Speaker 1>the fifteen because they end up with a one minus

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<v Speaker 1>one and then a sack again and they kick a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three yard field goal. And if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the first possession of the second half, they're only down

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen to three first and ten at the twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>a run minus seven on third and fourteen, a sack,

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<v Speaker 1>another field goal attempt and he misses again, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they throw an interception. They're down twenty three and ball

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<v Speaker 1>games over. Can't be kicking field goals. And the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>line in that game, as I remember you guys and

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<v Speaker 1>ever since you I'm sure you played in the Metrodome,

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<v Speaker 1>it was so loud. It was so loud. The Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line didn't have a chance. Right, Romo ends up

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<v Speaker 1>getting sacked six times, he got hit another ten times,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had eleven Minnesota had eleven tackles for losses.

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<v Speaker 1>So we look at it and oh, Romo didn't win

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<v Speaker 1>the game. No, the offensive line got their butts whip

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<v Speaker 1>because it was so loud. They were they couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>off the ball on time, and then it played out

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty ten when that offensive line just got old

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<v Speaker 1>overnight and we saw what happened with that one in

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<v Speaker 1>seven seasons. So to me, the bottom line, you're playing

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<v Speaker 1>playoff games, boy, you better be scoring touchdowns and you

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<v Speaker 1>better protect your quarterback. You gotta you have to know

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<v Speaker 1>your opponent, Spags. You know that Kansas City is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go off and they're like a streak shooter. Once they score,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna continue. You're not gonna hold them to field goals,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you do, they're gonna come back and score

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<v Speaker 1>a touchdown on the ensuing drive most likely. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>things that you have to be aware of. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to know your opponent. Getting back to the Aaron Rodgers

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<v Speaker 1>situation and that decision whether you want to go kick

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<v Speaker 1>a field going on fourth down or not, whether you

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<v Speaker 1>are aware of what the coach wants to me, Spags,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't allow Aaron Rodgers to be that naive. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>oh well, coach didn't tell me, Well, you're Aaron Rodgers. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all I've been hearing. You're Aaron Rodgers. You should

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is a possibility. And I'm surprised they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't discuss it. Why would you send me Why would

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<v Speaker 1>you say, okay, you call this third down play, and me,

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<v Speaker 1>as a quarterback, would say, okay, so that's it. We're

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna gonna call this third down play. What's happening

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<v Speaker 1>after that? Quarterbacks and coaches go over every scenario. I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot just say and give Aaron Rodgers the power to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what we were gonna do on fourth down. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that should have been part of the discussion when the

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<v Speaker 1>third down play was called. You can't go into a

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<v Speaker 1>third down play, you say, knowing what you're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>on four I can't give him that that leeway there.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can't. I can't put them on just to

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<v Speaker 1>pay or just Aaron Rodgers. Both of them should have known, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if we don't make this third down, what are we

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do on fourth downs? To me, that's a pressure,

0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.640
<v Speaker 1>that's a no baby Chris not knowing how to produce

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<v Speaker 1>I would we wouldn't have him back there if he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't talk about all the things that might happen doing

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Otherwise we don't need him. That's it. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Lafleur didn't tell Aaron Rodgers before the third down player,

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<v Speaker 1>we're kicking the field goal if we don't score a touchdown.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why Rodgers made the decision that he did

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<v Speaker 1>in his own mind, I can't get to the end zone,

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<v Speaker 1>so I gotta throw it. I don't know, I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea if that happened or not, and the decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout the ball game, the pressure on these guys was immense.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I say these guys, I mean the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay offense, So not just the Aaron Rodgers in the

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<v Speaker 1>offense on the field, but the coaches are feeling the

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<v Speaker 1>pressure on the sideline as well. All of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's out of the whack. No one is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>going through the procedures that they always go through in

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<v Speaker 1>a calm situation. And that's that's why they always say, guys,

0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.320
<v Speaker 1>pressure will bust a pipe. You can man what we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do to a human being. And that's why a coach

0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.600
<v Speaker 1>makes a decision like that to kick a field goal

0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.160
<v Speaker 1>that makes no sense whatsoever there was it made no

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<v Speaker 1>sense to kick that field goal, well, especially when you

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<v Speaker 1>consider go ahead Mickey, I was gonna say, just like

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<v Speaker 1>it made no sense to Chase the two point conversion

0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.880
<v Speaker 1>when a extra point puts them down seven points instead

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<v Speaker 1>of being down. They don't take into account that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't take into account that. Okay, what if the

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<v Speaker 1>other team kicks a field goal on their next position

0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and sally yeah, and now you have to not only

0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.000
<v Speaker 1>score a touchdown but also a two point conversion. I mean,

0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.400
<v Speaker 1>you just put yourself in that position. Here's the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing when you when you mentioned pressure, Tampa Bay's defense

0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:53.600
<v Speaker 1>sacked Aaron Rodgers five times. They hit him another eight times. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I know they didn't have David Baktyari their starting offensive tackle,

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<v Speaker 1>but boy, that just goes to show you how important

0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:09.480
<v Speaker 1>in these games it is to protect your quarterback. Brady

0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.480
<v Speaker 1>only got sacked one time. They couldn't get to him, right,

0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and he's throwing deep. He's throwing deep and they can't

0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:21.480
<v Speaker 1>get to him. H So uh, that offensive line in

0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:27.240
<v Speaker 1>these games is vitally, vitally important to the success of

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<v Speaker 1>what your quarterback may or or or may not have.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, mahomes is thirty seven of forty nine, get

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<v Speaker 1>out of here, right, and he wasn't scrambling for his

0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:42.199
<v Speaker 1>life thirty seven of forty nine for four hundred and

0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:48.520
<v Speaker 1>sixty two yards. And this Buffalo defense hadn't played well previously. Yes,

0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:54.280
<v Speaker 1>they had well when you look at the Tampa Bay

0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Green Bay game. Uh. One more note on the on

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<v Speaker 1>the field goal. It was just like Kevin Stefanski the

0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.960
<v Speaker 1>week before in the Cleveland game where they it was

0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.480
<v Speaker 1>almost identical situation, just different part of the field. Whether

0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:12.679
<v Speaker 1>they're down five okay and they opt there, you're asking

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<v Speaker 1>your defense to do the exact same thing. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't make it on fourth down, okay, you have to

0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.600
<v Speaker 1>stop the other team. So you might as well, in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, give your Hall of Fame quarterback Aaron Rodgers

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity on fourth down to win the game for

0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.399
<v Speaker 1>you or to tie the game for you. And secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you're if you're giving the football up,

0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:39.320
<v Speaker 1>whether whether you're you fail on fourth down or you

0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.080
<v Speaker 1>kick it on fourth down, you have to stop Tom

0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Brady and so you might as well give your guy

0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:45.680
<v Speaker 1>a chance. And the same thing happened the week before

0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.640
<v Speaker 1>with Baker Mayfield and Cleveland. The other thing as far

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<v Speaker 1>as getting pressure on Rogers in Tampa Bay and how

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<v Speaker 1>about Shack Barrett and JPP Jason Pierre Paul at whatever

0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:02.800
<v Speaker 1>age his right now the one because remember Tampa Bay

0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:07.240
<v Speaker 1>was playing throughout that second half without both their starting safeties.

0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.720
<v Speaker 1>They played the entire game without a guy that should

0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.719
<v Speaker 1>be in serious consideration for defensive Rookie of the Year

0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Antoine Winfield, who is out. And then they lose Whitehead,

0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and so those edge rushers basically won the game for

0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:28.800
<v Speaker 1>them defensively by getting pressure on Rogers and taking him

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<v Speaker 1>out of his game. No, absolutely, And so you know,

0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:37.680
<v Speaker 1>it's it's good to see other teams have problems like this, right,

0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.240
<v Speaker 1>this is what happens to the Cowboys. Right the Cowboys

0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:46.040
<v Speaker 1>never get beat. There's always a reason for it. Right now,

0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:50.399
<v Speaker 1>they're not. There's never well, they weren't good enough. No,

0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:54.359
<v Speaker 1>there's always one player or one coaching decision that makes

0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.760
<v Speaker 1>the difference. So it's nice to see somebody else have

0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:00.760
<v Speaker 1>some problems. And eversing, how about this, you're talking about

0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:05.879
<v Speaker 1>the pressure bursting pipes and coaches decisions and so forth.

0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.000
<v Speaker 1>How about Bruce Arians at the end of the first half. Okay,

0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:13.200
<v Speaker 1>here's a veteran coach and they were about to punt

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<v Speaker 1>the football away with eight seconds left and a half,

0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and then and then he thought about it and okay, yeah,

0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.200
<v Speaker 1>let's go ahead and take a shot. Okay. And there

0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:25.560
<v Speaker 1>was some risks I guess involved there, because if you

0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.520
<v Speaker 1>don't complete that, you give the ball back and then Rogers,

0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.440
<v Speaker 1>the king of the hail Mary Uh, you know, gets

0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:37.400
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to heave it downfield. But the Arians came

0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.879
<v Speaker 1>that close to not making that decision to get Brady

0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:44.160
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to burn Kevin King on the touchdown pass

0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to Scottie Miller at the end of the first half.

0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Brady already had his cape on. He had gone to

0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.600
<v Speaker 1>the sideline assuming they were gonna punt. He had the capon.

0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Turns out, Mickey. Turns out, Mickey, it was a Superman

0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:05.920
<v Speaker 1>cape he had. Yeah, right, exactly, well, and you know what,

0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.239
<v Speaker 1>you know what, you know what that reminded me of.

0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.280
<v Speaker 1>You remember the end of the half in the ninety

0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.919
<v Speaker 1>four NFC title game that the Cowboys fell behind twenty

0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:21.320
<v Speaker 1>one nothing. I believe they were down twenty four to

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<v Speaker 1>ten at that point, if I remember correctly, I may not.

0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.720
<v Speaker 1>It might have been twenty. I think it was twenty

0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:33.679
<v Speaker 1>four to ten, and there was mere seconds left in

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<v Speaker 1>the half and San Francisco had the ball at the

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:41.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty eight yard line, and he ends up throwing a

0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:45.359
<v Speaker 1>touchdown pass. I believe it was to Jerry Rice of

0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:49.560
<v Speaker 1>all people, right, and Larry Brown gets lost on the

0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:52.919
<v Speaker 1>play and gets beat when basically they had one play

0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.000
<v Speaker 1>left or two plays left. The last thing you can

0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.159
<v Speaker 1>do is let Jerry Rice get behind you, right, and

0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:01.960
<v Speaker 1>they end up throw in a touchdown pass similar to that.

0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:05.439
<v Speaker 1>How do you let anybody get behind you to score

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:11.400
<v Speaker 1>a touchdown with one second to go? It's it's not

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.240
<v Speaker 1>only ridiculous in that manners bags. This is something that

0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Brady does often. This is no surprise, you know. It's

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 1>one of those things where you know, what, might as

0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 1>well take a shot when you're around the fifty yard line,

0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:30.160
<v Speaker 1>when you're around midfield. Defensive backs always know this is

0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 1>when quarterbacks like to take a shot. It's a no

0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.520
<v Speaker 1>lose situation for the offense. If they make the touchdown,

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.120
<v Speaker 1>of course, it's great. If they don't, then you still

0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.400
<v Speaker 1>got the field position game one, because if you pump

0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:45.040
<v Speaker 1>the ball away, then most likely you're going to have

0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:47.960
<v Speaker 1>their offense deep down in the in the in their

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.439
<v Speaker 1>part of the field. So this is something that Brady

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:55.200
<v Speaker 1>has done before. He did it in New England many times,

0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 1>and so to me that was a matter of Okay, hey, coach,

0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:01.919
<v Speaker 1>I want to give this a try. We don't need

0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to worry about potting this ball. Like you said, it's

0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 1>only a few seconds left and a half. Let me

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:11.480
<v Speaker 1>give it a try. What can we lose. He's done

0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 1>it before. It's a strategic, very strategic way to end

0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:19.120
<v Speaker 1>the half as far as I'm concerned, and I'm very

0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:22.560
<v Speaker 1>surprised that the green based secondary wasn't ready for it.

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Not just King himself, but as a secondary, you gotta

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:30.199
<v Speaker 1>talk he's not out when you say he's out there

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:32.720
<v Speaker 1>on the island by himself. Yes, that's one thing as

0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:37.440
<v Speaker 1>a cornerback. I enjoyed that that that position as a cornerback.

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 1>But you still need to communicate. I'm still looking at

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Michael Downs and Dexter clean scale at all times, making

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 1>sure we're on the same page in this crucial moment.

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 1>If nothing else, you want to make sure. Okay, you

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.160
<v Speaker 1>don't want to give up the field goal, but the

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 1>overall concept is, please you can't give up the quick six.

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:00.679
<v Speaker 1>They and Everson right after that the beginning of the

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:04.439
<v Speaker 1>second half. You remember Tampa Bay got the turnover, and

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 1>so they're down at the ten yard line or whatever

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 1>it was, and you knew that Brady was gonna take

0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 1>a shot after it's the old sudden change. He was

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:15.119
<v Speaker 1>going to take a shot to the end zone. And

0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Tampa Bay came out with three tight ends. Okay, so

0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:22.480
<v Speaker 1>they got this bunch formation and then they just released

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Cameron break they're tight end, and nobody covers in. I

0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:28.480
<v Speaker 1>said as the play was starting, when they came out

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>in a bunch formation, I said, he's stolen for the

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 1>end zone because because you knew that was his best opportunity.

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:38.959
<v Speaker 1>He was he was They were trying to think, make

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 1>him think that, Okay, we're gonna try to run it,

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 1>run it, run it. And it's sure enough it was

0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 1>a play fake and Cameron Brad is wide open. How

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.120
<v Speaker 1>do you not cover the tight end releasing on that.

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:57.639
<v Speaker 1>It's unbelievable. I gotta tell you, though, number one hero

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:02.359
<v Speaker 1>of this, this entire game, and that all comes from trust,

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 1>is the fact that Todd bows knew everything Aaron Rodgers

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 1>was gonna do before he did it. I think Todd

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>bows is one of the better defensive coordinators in this league.

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.840
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't a good head coach because that's just not

0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:22.919
<v Speaker 1>his personality. He is exactly where he likes to be

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 1>right now. I don't want to discourage anyone from trying

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 1>to hire him, like they're gonna listen to me as

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:32.919
<v Speaker 1>a head coach again. But I do know he is

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>extremely good and extremely comfortable at being a defensive coordinator.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would dare say, based on how he took

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 1>a forty plus year old quarterback and hit all his

0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 1>faults behind his defense, that was able to cover Brady's

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 1>butt for as long as they could. Right now, they're

0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:56.240
<v Speaker 1>on a roll, and let's be real, guys, they have

0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.440
<v Speaker 1>a chance to be kc Well. I know we're getting

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 1>to that the whole later, but all right, if anyone

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 1>has a chance to hold down that great consas to

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the offense, it's the experience of a Todd Bowles defense.

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:15.120
<v Speaker 1>And you know what, he probably he probably he probably

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 1>knew everything about Brady because he got his ass kicked

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 1>by Brady twice a year when he was the head

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:25.159
<v Speaker 1>coach of the Jets. Right, that's right, all right, we

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:26.719
<v Speaker 1>need to take a break. But and I don't want

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:29.160
<v Speaker 1>to give advice to the Houston Texans who have their

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I think their only team left as a head coaching vacancy.

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 1>But Todd Bowles would be a pretty good fit down

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 1>in Houston as a as a coach. There. That's good stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey and Everson, as we come out of this pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one is going to be so much

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<v Speaker 1>a better year. When you're opening up the stadium tours,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great sign. Yeah, I guess he want. I

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<v Speaker 1>want the Cowboy legends when they opened that whole program

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<v Speaker 1>back up again. That's what I'm excited about. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>been to an athletic event and I don't know how long, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a while. I want to go see some

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys next year, man, Yep, I tried. You know, it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>A year ago at this time, I was thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>and I was telling people at work at CBS eleven

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<v Speaker 1>how exciting this year was going to be sports wise.

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking twenty twenty a year ago. But I mean,

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 1>when you think about it, the Cowboys had a new

0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>coaching staff. There was going to be so much going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the off season. As we learned Mike McCarthy

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<v Speaker 1>and we get to talk with all the new coaches,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the new players they bring in and

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. It's it's always it's always a different

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 1>type off season when there's a coaching change. Okay, there's

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:18.239
<v Speaker 1>more activity whatever. And then the new ballpark was opening up.

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>The Rangers are going to be playing in a new ballpark.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at the Mavericks and with Luca and KP healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were gonna have a great year, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the the Stars also, and as it turned

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<v Speaker 1>out in the bubble, the Stars wound up going all

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>the way to the Stanley Cup Final, and then it

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 1>was you know, come March eleventh, though it was it

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>was horrific the rest of the year. Here's how here's

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>how much I'm helding out hope. Here's how much a

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 1>year's changed. I think a year ago today, I was

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<v Speaker 1>skiing at Beaver Creek and I think that was one

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 1>of the well. I ended up going to New Orleans

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 1>for our department trip early in February. It is probably

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the last time I've been out of town since. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're on as far as skiing as concerned. Uh, not

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 1>yet with the bike incident and the Achilles problem. You're

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 1>on ir now for yeah, skiing, correct, We'll see what.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see what happens next year, though, I kind of

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 1>just I kind of want to just go out there

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<v Speaker 1>and sit and look at snow and be someplace different,

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>you know. You know, they do anticipate having twenty two

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>thousand fans in the stands in Tampa for the Super

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Bowl next week. I saw that. I gotta say, guys,

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I to me, I look at this, regardless of the

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>accomplishments of the Lakers and Tampa. You know, it's amazing

0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 1>that Tampa is is hosting the Super Bowl. The team itself,

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty amazing, you know, for what to happen during

0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>the pandemic year. But in regards of the Hall, the fame,

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 1>ceremonies and things of that nature, it just seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be watered down so much. And if I was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go in, oh trust me, I wouldn't be like, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>not this year. I'm gonna wait till all of this

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<v Speaker 1>is over with. Nominate me again that year. I mean,

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I wouldn't do that, But I will say

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 1>that if I had a choice, if I had a choice,

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<v Speaker 1>I would choose another year to go in and have

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 1>all of these ceremonies. You know, I'm more been a

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 1>normal fashion as opposed to what we're looking at. You

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>want to have your you would want to have your

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>family there, and and so forth. Yeah, think about all

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>the bells and whistles. Think about how spoiled these people

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>in Tampa are. Right, their team's gonna be home for

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl. Their hockey team, the Lightning, won the Stanley Cup,

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>and the baseball team, the Rays, played in the World Series.

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 1>But Mickey, mick Key, it's it's typical Tampa though. All

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:09.439
<v Speaker 1>this happens in a year where the fans can't even

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 1>enjoy him, you know, you know, their hockey team was

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>in Edmonton or wherever. They were playing Toronto, wherever in

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Toronto the same Yeah, the baseball team was playing here, right,

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 1>I was playing here, and so they didn't get to

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>even enjoy it, you know, and only be in the stands.

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>And those aren't gonna be all Tampa fans. And with

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 1>all the corporate sponsors that you usually get ticket Well,

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 1>when you look at the state of Florida, let's let's

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 1>not forget the Miami Heat was in the NBA Finals

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>as well. Yeah, we need to break this stuff up

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>all right, about these Kansas City Chiefs Okay, there's so

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 1>much attention, of course on the quarterback. But let me

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>tell you, in fact, when Micole Hardman muff that punt

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<v Speaker 1>early in the game, I told my wife, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a big Kansas City fan because her quarterback is from

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Texas Tech, and she went to Texas Tech. So she's

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 1>become this huge Chiefs fan all of a sudden the

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>last couple of years, and like a lot of people

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>around her half but I told her, I said, you

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>watch this Hardman. He's gonna he's gonna come back from that,

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and he's gonna do something later in the insured en

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>if he scored the first touchdown and then they used

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 1>him on an end around. And but you look at

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Hardman and you look at Tyreek Hill, and you just

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>look at the weapons that Mahomes has. Hardman, I looked

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:45.879
<v Speaker 1>him up at the combine. He ran a four three

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.799
<v Speaker 1>three I think hand held it was a four two

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 1>seven or something like that. Tyreek Hill laser time was

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 1>a four two nine. And I mean, when you have

0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:02.720
<v Speaker 1>that kind of speed on the field, speed kills, right Everson, Yeah,

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 1>but it should does. And it also, let's let's be real,

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>when I played in the eighties in the eighties, two

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>receivers came around that were two of the fastest players

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.399
<v Speaker 1>I guess to be in the NFL. One was Ron

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Brown wide receiver for the La Rams or Anaheim Rams

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 1>i think at the time, and then also Willie Golf

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Chicago Bears. Now you take a look at those two

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 1>guys they were part of as NFL football players. In

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 1>the off season, they decided to run in I think

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 1>it was Helsinki on the USA four by one hundred

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 1>meter relay team. I don't know what position they were in.

0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen it. I think I might look at

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>it on YouTube after the game, after the show, but

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:01.400
<v Speaker 1>they said a world wreck. Could they were part of

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 1>a world record four by one hundred meter relay team

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Willie Golf and Ron Brown. They were still NFL football

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 1>players when they did it. So there's one thing to

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 1>have to cover fast guys that are track athletes. But

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 1>when you have someone like Bob Hayes, who is a

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.399
<v Speaker 1>football player who just happens to be fast as hell,

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 1>that is a totally different issue. So when you're talking

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>about speed kills is one thing. But when you have

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>an athlete, a true athlete, a football player who happens

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:42.280
<v Speaker 1>to have speed like Tyree Hill, who can change direction

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 1>just as quickly as he can run straight ahead. That's

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 1>when you have a problem. So in other words, Everson

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Now Willie Golf had football in his background. Ron Brown,

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>but Ronaldo Nia Maya is a different story, right, different

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>story track athletes, true track athletes who don't have football

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 1>in their background at an early age. Their muscles are

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 1>made to just run straight ahead. In football, you gotta

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 1>do all kinds of stuff. You've seen Beckham, You've seen

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Tommy Hill, that you have to be able to move

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 1>and change direction instinctly, and so track guys muscles are

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:29.880
<v Speaker 1>just not made to make that lateral movement because everything

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 1>that they do is all about going straight ahead. So

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>that's the difference between a track athlete and a guy

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>who's a football player who happens to be a fast

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 1>track a fast player. And the poster child for that

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 1>was Alexander Wright, the Cowboys second round draft choice in

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety. He was a track guy, but boy, he

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:55.320
<v Speaker 1>just couldn't run routes in His hands were a little

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:58.399
<v Speaker 1>bit slower than his four three speed, by the way,

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I remember, his feet were great, but his hands was

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I remember. I remember at some point that rookie year,

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<v Speaker 1>I went up to Jimmy and I go, why do

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 1>you why do you stirn him? Why do you keep

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 1>putting him on the field, And Jimmy goes out. They

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.359
<v Speaker 1>gotta cover him because you never know when he's gonna

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>catch one. Where you had we had Johnny Johnny Lamb Jones,

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I think the late great Johnny Lamb Jones, who also

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 1>came to the Cowboys. One of the guys from Lamb Passes, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm not mistaken, one of them he won. If

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not mistaken, he won the Texas state title in

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:48.359
<v Speaker 1>high school in track as a one man team. If

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not mistaken, I think so. Yeah, he scored everyway

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>to the track team in Lamb Passes Texas and he

0:39:56.000 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 1>won state pretty much by himself. And he was seventy

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 1>six Olympics in Yeah. I just think I can't believe

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to cover these guys. I don't know.

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I think I just tried to block it out of

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 1>my head, just how fast they were. Well, no, they

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:14.880
<v Speaker 1>but they weren't a threat. They just weren't threats too

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:17.240
<v Speaker 1>on the football field at all. You know, the Cowboys

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>had another guy sort of like I think it was.

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:24.879
<v Speaker 1>He was a rookie year last year. Dixon. Yeah, he

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:29.399
<v Speaker 1>was kind of a small He's the guy that got

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>you in trouble in Arizona, remember, because when Troy got

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:35.280
<v Speaker 1>knocked out, he caught that touchdown pass. It was about

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:40.799
<v Speaker 1>sixty eight yards to tie the game. But he was

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:44.720
<v Speaker 1>another guy because the next year they were thinking about

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 1>they were going to try and move him to like

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:50.239
<v Speaker 1>running back and have have like a high bred tailback.

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:54.359
<v Speaker 1>And I remember Jimmy, Jimmy said, Jimmy said, he goes. Yeah.

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes with with with Dixon, you're better off handing the

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:03.719
<v Speaker 1>mall to him than throw the ball too. And you know,

0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 1>let's be real, Dixon, Uh, he wasn't the brightest bulb

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 1>in thea So you have to you have to be

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 1>aware of what you can do. But when you look

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:17.400
<v Speaker 1>at Dixon, uh, he is that that Tyreek hill. I

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 1>mean if he would have you know, just had the ability,

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the mental ability and all of that to put it together.

0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Because I've been looking at some YouTube videos. He caught

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:30.760
<v Speaker 1>a nice skinny post on me. Uh, and we were

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>so intent on not let him in catch it. My

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 1>safety almost knocked me out because it was something that

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>we anticipated. But yeah, Dixon was he had the ability,

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 1>but physically it was just mentally he just wasn't there.

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 1>When you talk about that incident and have his owner,

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:51.880
<v Speaker 1>that was the big beginning of the end of my

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>career with the Cowboys, but it was the beginning of

0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:00.440
<v Speaker 1>my career as a Super Bowl winning with the Giants,

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 1>because if it wasn't for that incident and Jimmy Johnson

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.959
<v Speaker 1>and I cursing each other out going down the ramp

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 1>and amazone them, then I would probably still with the

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Bill Dallas Cowboys. No'm telling him how that would have

0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 1>turned out. And before we go to break, here's a

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 1>little trivia question for you. You mentioned Johnny Lamb Jones

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 1>at the University of Texas and Lamb passes he was

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.600
<v Speaker 1>on that gold medal winning sprint relay team in the

0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:30.360
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy six Olympics in Montreal. How high was Johnny

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Lamb Jones drafted in the NFL draft in nineteen eighty

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 1>What pick was he? I think he was late. Okay,

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 1>you got Hiven late. I don't remember. That was before

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 1>my NFL days. First of all, I didn't know he

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 1>was drafted in eighty Yeah, he was. I had no

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 1>idea because by the time he came around to the Cowboys,

0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it was well eighty six seven or so.

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 1>You're okay, You're gonna be shocked by this revelation. Johnny

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Lamb Jones was the second pick in the draft eighteen

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:17.520
<v Speaker 1>eighty by the New York Jets. Yes, Billy Simms went

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:21.400
<v Speaker 1>number one to the Detroit Lions, and Johnny Lamb Jones

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 1>went number two to the New York Jets. What Billy

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.960
<v Speaker 1>many Boos went number three to the Cincinnati Bengals in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty Hall of Fame talk about another sprinter, Everson

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<v Speaker 1>Curtis Dickeye out of Texas A and M went number

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<v Speaker 1>five to the Baltimore Colts in nineteen eighty. Were in

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty one. We were running behind him for about

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 1>eighty yards at Baltimore. I've seen that speed. I mean

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:55.799
<v Speaker 1>I was way back there, but yeah, I saw it.

0:43:55.960 --> 0:44:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I did. And so John Lamb Jones was the

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:04.160
<v Speaker 1>number one rated receiver coming out in that draft with

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:07.880
<v Speaker 1>that kind of speed. Art Monk first round pick of

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:11.959
<v Speaker 1>the Redskins, number eighteen overall in nineteen eighty. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>doing right now, Mickey and Everson. Sounds like you're shuffling paper. No,

0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 1>that's me. That would be what I'm doing is I'm

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:08.800
<v Speaker 1>watching individual drills the National squad at the Senior Bowl

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 1>on the NFL Network. They are no longer at lad

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:17.880
<v Speaker 1>People's Stadium in Mobile, Alabama this year for the practices

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 1>leading up to the game. That the University of South

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Alabama instead. And oh, yeah, there you go. There's an

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma center of the Creed Humphrey right there. And so

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to watch this for a little bit and

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Nicky can take it away. Green Humphreys lined up at center.

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:37.759
<v Speaker 1>Now we're going to work with the left tackles. They're

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 1>got a kid from Notre Dame lining up at left tackle. Oh,

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to spend the rest of the afternoon watching

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:46.760
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, Picky, And I bet there's not many people

0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 1>surrounding the field as normal watching those games, right, No,

0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 1>they especially from dands. There are some people up in

0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:59.279
<v Speaker 1>the stands state the NFL scouts. Teams can have up

0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:02.759
<v Speaker 1>to twelve individuals in attendance. Is that right? I think

0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:06.959
<v Speaker 1>it's ten. I read ten. Okay, they're limited to ten

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 1>personnel to scout the event. And as you said, the

0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:16.319
<v Speaker 1>games being played this time at Hancock Whitney Stadium. Uh,

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 1>they've already sold out like six thousand tickets. And the

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:28.400
<v Speaker 1>media availability is very very limited. Uh. You know they

0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:31.320
<v Speaker 1>used to let us on the field after the practice

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 1>to kind of, you know, pick out who you wanted

0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 1>to interview. That won't be allowed. Uh. They're going to

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 1>have four players per practice to be interviewed, and the

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 1>interview has to have The media will be socially distanced

0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:49.920
<v Speaker 1>in sections in the in the stands. Uh. And then

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:54.400
<v Speaker 1>they'll have some evening phone line uh interviews, zoom calls,

0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 1>things like that. Uh. And uh, boy, they used to

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.440
<v Speaker 1>be able to hang out out at the hotel and

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 1>bump into people. Uh. That's not happening uh any longer. Uh.

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:11.160
<v Speaker 1>And as you said, this year, it'll be the national

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 1>team versus the American team. No more North uh and South.

0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:25.640
<v Speaker 1>But they did uh manage to get Davante. Yeah you

0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:30.319
<v Speaker 1>explain noticing that. I'm not sure you're not gonna drag

0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 1>me into that, uh because it it very easily could happen,

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:43.239
<v Speaker 1>by the way. Uh oh, although you know what happened though,

0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 1>because of the the invitations and uh, you know, not

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:50.839
<v Speaker 1>knowing who was gonna come or who couldn't. I think

0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:54.440
<v Speaker 1>they had a hard time dividing it up geographically, so

0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:58.480
<v Speaker 1>they just kind of put people on teams. But DeVante Smith,

0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:03.359
<v Speaker 1>the Heisman Trophy winner, is competing in this Senior Bowl,

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.520
<v Speaker 1>and I read where he's only the tenth Heisman winner

0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:12.400
<v Speaker 1>to participate in a Senior Bowl. The other nine, Doke Walker,

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:18.080
<v Speaker 1>I got one of them. Shut up, mother, Baker Mayfield.

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Baker Mayfield was the last one Heisman Trophy winner to participate.

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:28.680
<v Speaker 1>If I go backwards, Tim Tebow, Troy Smith, Carson Palmer,

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Bo Jackson in nineteen eighty, nineteen seventy four, John Cappelletti,

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Pat Sullivan, Alan Amici, and Doke walk Away. Bo wait right,

0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Bo Jackson in nineteen seventy four. What is a third grader?

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:50.320
<v Speaker 1>It says Comma, nineteen seventy four, Bo Jackson. It should

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:55.800
<v Speaker 1>be nineteen eighty six, right now, that's what that's what

0:50:55.960 --> 0:51:00.160
<v Speaker 1>it has, you know, Bob Jackson. Bob Jackson as a

0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:07.720
<v Speaker 1>sixth grader could have competed in the seed. They probably

0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:11.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't have athlete as a sixth grader. He could have.

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:14.359
<v Speaker 1>He would have been like eighty three or so. Well,

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:21.239
<v Speaker 1>it's either it's it's maybe. Well Carson Palmer it says, yeah,

0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:24.160
<v Speaker 1>that's probably what it is. Yeah, they made a type

0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:30.239
<v Speaker 1>on that thing. Anyway. Yeah, things have changed. Good things

0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:32.600
<v Speaker 1>have changed. You know. They also got rid of the

0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:37.320
<v Speaker 1>East West Shrine Game and also the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl,

0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Uh got canceled. And the ways we can't we can't

0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:45.040
<v Speaker 1>have the East play in the West either, that's right, No, no, no,

0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:51.400
<v Speaker 1>we didn't no way. In fact, the players started arriving

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:54.320
<v Speaker 1>on Saturday because they had to do their COVID testing

0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:58.799
<v Speaker 1>and had to pass through multiple times throughout the week.

0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:03.200
<v Speaker 1>And this year each player gets his own room. And

0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 1>how about this, for the first time NFL teams had

0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:11.600
<v Speaker 1>to buy into the Bowl game. They're paying for club

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:18.600
<v Speaker 1>suites at the new stadium for interviews with players. So

0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:22.480
<v Speaker 1>that's how they're kind of raising money to help out

0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 1>with the loss because of lack of fans being allowed

0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 1>into the stadium. So this whole thing is different. As

0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:32.200
<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, it was a couple of weeks

0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:35.640
<v Speaker 1>ago and I was talking to Will McClay. He wasn't

0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:38.160
<v Speaker 1>even sure they were gonna you know, they had all

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:40.759
<v Speaker 1>these plans to have the game, but he wasn't even sure,

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, who was going to be allowed there. So

0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:47.279
<v Speaker 1>from a team standpoint, even if you only have a

0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:51.560
<v Speaker 1>limited amount of personnel at the practices, they record those

0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 1>things and they send them out to all the teams,

0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:58.960
<v Speaker 1>so you're able to you're able to watch the practices.

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:03.360
<v Speaker 1>You just don't get that one on one capability with

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:06.160
<v Speaker 1>these players, And to me, that's one of the most

0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:09.399
<v Speaker 1>important things, especially with the combine, which by the way,

0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:20.160
<v Speaker 1>that has changed significantly. Also, you guys, I was one

0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:22.360
<v Speaker 1>of those guys. I was truly blessed to have the

0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:25.719
<v Speaker 1>career that I had because when you think of where

0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I came from, none of that recruiting crap. I was

0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:33.319
<v Speaker 1>privy too, had to you know, basically bragg my way

0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:38.759
<v Speaker 1>onto Grammling for that last scholarship. No, I mean I

0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:40.759
<v Speaker 1>led the nation of New Sections, but I didn't get

0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:47.080
<v Speaker 1>any invitations to any of the big you know, combines

0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:50.960
<v Speaker 1>or any of that. I had my one experience in Jackson, Mississippi.

0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:57.919
<v Speaker 1>It was Sardan Broadcasting Network Bowl Game, Black College Bowl Game,

0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:01.840
<v Speaker 1>and Shardan was at the hotel. It was an African

0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:07.000
<v Speaker 1>American family that was in media, s H. E. R. I.

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:09.520
<v Speaker 1>D A N. And they were they were a great

0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:15.080
<v Speaker 1>friend to HBCUs. So they sponsored this game. Man, it

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:21.640
<v Speaker 1>was so cold in Jackson, Mississippi in February, like fifteen

0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:25.120
<v Speaker 1>hundred people showed up at the game. I didn't want

0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:27.279
<v Speaker 1>to play that game, that's how cold it was. I

0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:30.560
<v Speaker 1>felt like I was in Green Bay somewhere. I didn't

0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:34.480
<v Speaker 1>know Jackson, Mississippi could be so cold, but it was

0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:38.640
<v Speaker 1>just so uneventful. Uh happy to play in the game.

0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Of course, they sent some backup scouts down there to

0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:47.520
<v Speaker 1>time us. There was no one of any prominence that

0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:50.759
<v Speaker 1>was really there. So to be able to have the

0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:55.360
<v Speaker 1>career I had and starting at such a powerful place,

0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:59.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm pretty I'm definitely blessed to have the

0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.040
<v Speaker 1>career I had. But board all of these things you're

0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:05.879
<v Speaker 1>talking about, North, South, East, West Shrine, all American Senior Bowl,

0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:09.880
<v Speaker 1>things of that nature. Yeah, most HBCU players we just

0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:13.800
<v Speaker 1>don't get a chance to participate in that and especially

0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:17.160
<v Speaker 1>since you know all the bigger, the better players are

0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:20.359
<v Speaker 1>going to the Power fives now and that doesn't seem

0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:23.319
<v Speaker 1>to be reversing course in any way. You just won't

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:28.480
<v Speaker 1>be seeing any HBCU players being prominent at any of those.

0:55:28.560 --> 0:55:31.120
<v Speaker 1>So to be able to come out my rookie year

0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:33.560
<v Speaker 1>and my whole career, to be able to to play

0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:37.520
<v Speaker 1>well against some of those guys that they thought deserved

0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:42.480
<v Speaker 1>those those that reputation more than the HBCU players, it

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:46.080
<v Speaker 1>felt real good to just stick it to the scouts

0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:51.200
<v Speaker 1>faces and stick it to all those UH owners and

0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:55.800
<v Speaker 1>offensive coordinates that just really thought they knew better. That

0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:59.520
<v Speaker 1>had a lot to do with the how can I

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:04.160
<v Speaker 1>put it motivation behind my career, I think my whole career,

0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:06.759
<v Speaker 1>I was still saying something like you to take that,

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:11.399
<v Speaker 1>take that. Yeah, that was pretty much month. So I'll

0:56:11.440 --> 0:56:15.880
<v Speaker 1>tell you you mentioned how cold my first winner in Jackson, Mississippi.

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:19.279
<v Speaker 1>It actually snowed two inches. I want you to know this,

0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's crazy. And they were so worthy to stop

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:27.360
<v Speaker 1>that wind from just blowing right through your clothes, and

0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:31.600
<v Speaker 1>they were so they were so worried that we wouldn't

0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:34.080
<v Speaker 1>be able to get back the next morning to put

0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:38.080
<v Speaker 1>out the what was then an afternoon paper too. They

0:56:38.160 --> 0:56:40.800
<v Speaker 1>put us up in hotels overnight so we could just

0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:44.319
<v Speaker 1>walk to work the next day. Well, it was two inches, right.

0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I grew up in Chicago. My buddy that I was

0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:51.680
<v Speaker 1>working with grew up in Detroit or in Saint Louis.

0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:56.279
<v Speaker 1>So we went back to our our apartments to get

0:56:56.400 --> 0:56:59.560
<v Speaker 1>clothes for the next day, shower, change whatever, and bring

0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:02.879
<v Speaker 1>stuff back. Right, the sports edator found out we went

0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 1>home and he just gave us, Holly, you drove home.

0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:12.160
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like time, it's two inches. Come on,

0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:19.959
<v Speaker 1>give me a break. He just got like three minutes left.

0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:25.160
<v Speaker 1>But Everson a capsule version of how did the Cowboys

0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:31.560
<v Speaker 1>discover you? Well, Gil Brent, you know he's out there

0:57:31.600 --> 0:57:35.280
<v Speaker 1>always looking at HBCUs away. I tell people all time

0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:39.240
<v Speaker 1>he's good at finding cheap labor. And that's what that's

0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:42.760
<v Speaker 1>what Gil is good at. So you know he finds

0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.080
<v Speaker 1>a cheap labor from all HBCUs and some of the

0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:49.640
<v Speaker 1>smallest schools. You know, watch top Baptist Cliff Harris. He

0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:53.040
<v Speaker 1>found me just like he found Cliff. You know, it

0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:55.040
<v Speaker 1>wasn't that hard to find I mean, I was leading

0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:58.280
<v Speaker 1>the nation in interceptions and I was only four golf

0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:00.720
<v Speaker 1>of park. You were just down the road, Yeah, I'm

0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:03.080
<v Speaker 1>just down just down the street. Yeah, no doubt a

0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:06.600
<v Speaker 1>couple of couple of lights away. But I wasn't known

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<v Speaker 1>in that manner at that time. But being a Grambling, really,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's how they looked at it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Grammling's only four four hour drive away. Uh he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he sent uh jeff Roe Pew to lay

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Roe pu to come sign me, and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what they told jeff Or to offer me,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have a feeling if he could work a

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<v Speaker 1>deal with me, he couldn't keep the difference. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's I think that's how Gill said it off. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe my fifteen hundred dollars signing bonus

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<v Speaker 1>could have been two thy twenty five hundred. You just

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<v Speaker 1>never know. I don't know what jeff will walked away with.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like it sounds like Drew Pearson's story when

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<v Speaker 1>they signed him at Tulsa and after the draft undrafted

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<v Speaker 1>and Drew didn't even have enough He said, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>hardly had enough money to put gas in my car

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<v Speaker 1>to drive to the hotel to meet h to meet

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<v Speaker 1>whoever was was, you know, scouting him or giving him

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<v Speaker 1>signing him to the contract. So he got a five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars signing bonus, right, five hundred dollars signing bonus.

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<v Speaker 1>He went home and he basically told his wife, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to go to the dorm because the guys

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<v Speaker 1>are waiting for me after I signed. And she goes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how much did you get? And he goes, I got

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty dollars because I took the other

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<v Speaker 1>two fifty to buy beer for everybody. That's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of beer. Well maybe maybe food too, you never know, right,

0:59:46.040 --> 0:59:50.040
<v Speaker 1>he figured, I you can get old Milwaukee, right, Yeah,

0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you get old Milwaukee at six pack of Old Milwaukee

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<v Speaker 1>for a dollar eighty nine back. Yet I wouldn't know

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<v Speaker 1>about that, Bill, I bet, I bet when you were

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<v Speaker 1>in an HBCU right at Grambling, you never thought a

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<v Speaker 1>graduate from one of those schools would end up being

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<v Speaker 1>vice president? Is that crazy? Is that crazy Casebcus? We

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<v Speaker 1>run the world, baby, We're taken over the world won't

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<v Speaker 1>be long, all right? And next week super Bowl week

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<v Speaker 1>it's also Hall of Fame week, Drew Pearson will be

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<v Speaker 1>finding out from Big David Baker. He'll probably surprise him

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<v Speaker 1>at his home or something next week that he's going

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<v Speaker 1>into the Hall of Fame and so everything. I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to do your homework on the Hall of Fame

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<v Speaker 1>finalist and give your breakdown on who should be Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Famers in this class this year. Nicky, you can

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<v Speaker 1>do the same easy work. That's easy work, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much to get to next week, which will be

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be our own version of media Day at the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl next Tuesday, and you keep watching those Senior

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl practices. Okay, I am. I am going to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you a full record on the show. Sign

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<v Speaker 1>I'll open up my big green NFL Draft scouting notebook.

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<v Speaker 1>I purchased the notebook last week. I'm ready to fill

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<v Speaker 1>it up. All right, We'll talk at you next week

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