Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys apt Now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola, and we are back for another edition
Speaker 1: of mix Shots. It is a Senior Bowl edition of
Speaker 1: mix Shots. We've got our Super Bowl matchup all set
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys. Now what is it? One? Two, three
Speaker 1: weeks into the twenty twenty one offseason. We've got so
Speaker 1: much to get caught up on. As we welcome you
Speaker 1: to another edition of mix Shots. As Mickey Spagnola is
Speaker 1: inside the SWBC Mortgage studios at Forward Center at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco, ready for duty. Everson Walls inside his
Speaker 1: own s WBC mortgage studio at his home, and I
Speaker 1: am as well, and y'all ready for a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: matchup of quarterbacks? What do y'all think? I am so
Speaker 1: sick of quarterbacks. Go ahead, Spacks. I'll get into that
Speaker 1: crap later. I'm so sick of quarterbacks right now, geez,
Speaker 1: I have to have my own show for that one.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Everson. I didn't say quarterbacks. A Super Bowl
Speaker 1: matchup of cornerbacks. Oh sorry, yes, we're looking forward to
Speaker 1: wood William. Thank you, sir, spoken like a true defensive back, right, Mickey,
Speaker 1: you gotta be uh you gotta be excited that this
Speaker 1: is a Senior Bowl week, that you're able to monitor
Speaker 1: things from a distance. It is. We're a week away
Speaker 1: from media day at the Super Bowl and you got
Speaker 1: to do that from a distance. But you got to
Speaker 1: be excited that the Cowboys are now three weeks into
Speaker 1: this and there's not much, not much to talk about
Speaker 1: as far as this coaching staff right now that things
Speaker 1: are resolved, well, it looks like it's resolved. I don't know,
Speaker 1: there may be. I don't know if there's another move
Speaker 1: coming or not. I'm still looking at that linebacker position,
Speaker 1: coaching position. We'll see what ends up happening there. But
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I'm I'm I'm sort of with Everson on
Speaker 1: the quarterback thing, not so much the uh my homes.
Speaker 1: But can we get a little bit more of Tom
Speaker 1: Brady on how spectacular lee he played in the game
Speaker 1: with three consecutive interceptions, you know, and I thought he
Speaker 1: was really good afterwards when they interviewed him on the
Speaker 1: field when he basically said, Hey, go talk to some
Speaker 1: of the other guys, right, Maybe go talk to those
Speaker 1: defensive guys, right, maybe go to maybe maybe go interview
Speaker 1: green Bay, right, and uh, figure out why they go
Speaker 1: go go inter view the cornerback for green Bay number twenty. Well,
Speaker 1: I got a comparison on that one too, by the way,
Speaker 1: or the head coach who decides kicking field goals is
Speaker 1: a really good thing, right, And when we get into
Speaker 1: this bill, I'm gonna I'm gonna get into the Cowboys
Speaker 1: making that same sort of decisions in the two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine Divisional Round playoff game against Minnesota, when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys went up against a team that was nearly averaging
Speaker 1: thirty points a game, and in their last two games
Speaker 1: in the regular season they scored thirty and forty four.
Speaker 1: Yet the Cowboys, on fourth and one at the third
Speaker 1: Minnesota thirty eight, decided let's just try a field goal
Speaker 1: against this team, because, as we know, the more field
Speaker 1: goals you attempt, the closer you are the losing So
Speaker 1: I think those are the things that really decided this game,
Speaker 1: all right. Well, and difference they make right now has
Speaker 1: a target on Spagnola's back. I like that the more
Speaker 1: field goals you kicked, the closer you are to losing. Well,
Speaker 1: in that case, it was definitely true for the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers. But let's be real, guys, And you know,
Speaker 1: I started off talking about the quarterbacks and things that nature.
Speaker 1: I know, that's just the nature of the beasts. I
Speaker 1: actually recall because I was playing at the time when
Speaker 1: they decided to put the quarterbacks officially into their own club,
Speaker 1: and yeah, let's market quarterbacks even more. And so that
Speaker 1: as a defensive player and as a man trying to
Speaker 1: make his own livelihood at doing the same things that
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are doing, I took offense to it. But
Speaker 1: it is what it is right now. So here we are.
Speaker 1: Every time we comment on the football game, it's always
Speaker 1: from what the quarterback is thinking, as if no one
Speaker 1: else on that particular team has any thought process, individual
Speaker 1: thought process in the heads. They don't have a life.
Speaker 1: They're just drones. You know, you guys, just go do
Speaker 1: your job. The quarterback is the guy. It's like the
Speaker 1: queen Bee. That's what the quarterback is, all right. So
Speaker 1: greenback Queen Bee been getting praised all year long, deservedly so,
Speaker 1: been making plays all year long on his own. It
Speaker 1: just seemed like he was a coach on the field.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about Aaron Rodgers. He's gonna do his job
Speaker 1: no matter what. If there's a stake that's made it,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers will get the benefit of the doubt in
Speaker 1: any questionable situation. And that's pretty much any quarterback unless
Speaker 1: you're Dak Prescott. I guess so here it is. You
Speaker 1: have a chance, as Aaron Rodgers to do what you do.
Speaker 1: You're down in the red zone. You've got a chance
Speaker 1: to either run or throw. Your decision making process has
Speaker 1: always been on point and quit at the time. And
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Aaron Rodgers gets pressure on him.
Speaker 1: Not just that particular play, but as the game goes on,
Speaker 1: you can feel him panicking. You can see that he's
Speaker 1: not as poised as he was. He's not Joe Cool anymore. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Aaron Rodgers makes an instant mistake.
Speaker 1: It just happened, just very quickly. You have a chance
Speaker 1: to either pass or run on third down. I don't
Speaker 1: care if you know that the coach wants to kick
Speaker 1: a field goal afterwards or not. It doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: the play call is afterwards, when you have a chance
Speaker 1: to get as many yards as possible running versus throwing
Speaker 1: it to your wife receiver who's not quite that open.
Speaker 1: The pressure is on you. You make that decision pretty quick.
Speaker 1: It's a no brainer. But not for Aaron Rodgers. Not
Speaker 1: only did he did he do it once, he did
Speaker 1: it twice in the same particular situation, to where that
Speaker 1: moment of hesitancy, which he's never had during the season
Speaker 1: cost him affecting this in that play. And to me,
Speaker 1: those two mistakes really led to the difference in the
Speaker 1: ball game. And that's on your quarterback, who MVP of
Speaker 1: the year all of that, everybody, guys needs a teammate.
Speaker 1: Everybody needs teammates to pull them out of the fire.
Speaker 1: I don't care if everybody's a Tom Braided, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Eric Ridge was supposed to be the guy to make
Speaker 1: that play. He didn't make the plays plays twice because
Speaker 1: because he did it. On the other hand, Tom Brady
Speaker 1: through interception second half, what did his defense do. They'd
Speaker 1: stopped the momentum from the Green Bay Packers because their
Speaker 1: defense stepped up. And my illustration is this, it's a
Speaker 1: team game. Let's stop making this about one position. I
Speaker 1: am so tired of it. Defensive players, offensive lineman. They
Speaker 1: have families too, They have parents. Okay, they have you know,
Speaker 1: aspirations to do other things then play football. They might
Speaker 1: want to be coaches, but they don't get that benefit
Speaker 1: because all we talk about is the importance of quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: We got to get out of these guys because it's
Speaker 1: a team game. See and I understand what you're talking
Speaker 1: about on the third down play, but here's what should
Speaker 1: have taken place. Matt Lafleur should have told Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: on third and goal from the eight, you've got two
Speaker 1: plays to score a touchdown. Because if I think he
Speaker 1: knew ahead of time that he had a fourth down play,
Speaker 1: he could have taken off and run and even if
Speaker 1: he didn't get in, he would at least got inside
Speaker 1: the five. Might have been to the two or three, right,
Speaker 1: I think too about the two? Yeah, I thought the two,
Speaker 1: and so if he had known that, I think And
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of head coaches, when they're not
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, they'll tell their offensive coordinator, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: in four down territory here, you know, call a play
Speaker 1: on third down. But no you got fourth down, So
Speaker 1: instead of throwing a pass in that situation, maybe you
Speaker 1: run the ball to get closer to make the fourth
Speaker 1: down more makeable. But you just can't kick a field goal.
Speaker 1: And and think of out this, Everson, when when when
Speaker 1: you guys went to San Francisco and won that NFC
Speaker 1: title game, what was it fifteen thirteen or whatever? It's okay,
Speaker 1: the key thing hit the field goal to win it.
Speaker 1: The key thing in in that game was you guys
Speaker 1: had the ball at the end. You did not put
Speaker 1: the ball in Joe Montana's hands at the end of
Speaker 1: the game. Do not put the ball? Oh that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't give them that opportunity, right, Uh, you don't
Speaker 1: give Tom Brady the opportunity to salt a game away. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I thought that's where they made their mistake. And
Speaker 1: if you look at the other game, uh with McDermott,
Speaker 1: he's kicking field goals. No, Kansas City's gonna score thirty points.
Speaker 1: I don't care. You know what what everything says before
Speaker 1: my lance bags, it's you can't kick field goals against
Speaker 1: the team at averages thirty plus points a game, right,
Speaker 1: And that's what they did. They kicked field goals and
Speaker 1: you know what, gosh it would have been. I think
Speaker 1: what was at halftime was twenty one twelve. You gotta
Speaker 1: go for the touchdown at the end there and score.
Speaker 1: Oh I just and so since I started here, I'll
Speaker 1: go back to the Cowboys playoff game in Minnesota two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine season. The Cowboys win eleven and five.
Speaker 1: Minnesota finished the season twelve and four and ten of
Speaker 1: sixteen games, they had scored thirty points. They were gonna
Speaker 1: score on you. So the Cowboys first possession in that
Speaker 1: game that they ended up losing thirty four to three,
Speaker 1: they drove, they were moving the football. They got a
Speaker 1: first and ten at the Minnesota thirty four and on
Speaker 1: third and fourteen, Romo gets sacked and fumbles on the
Speaker 1: second possession. They're fourth and one at the thirty, fourth
Speaker 1: and one at the thirty against the teams are gonna
Speaker 1: score thirty points on you, and Wade Phillips decides, Wow,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Sweeze him kick a forty eight yard
Speaker 1: field goal. Well, guess what he misses. It's still zero
Speaker 1: zero until Brett five hits Sydney Rice for forty seven
Speaker 1: yard touchdown and even at that the Cowboys come back
Speaker 1: the next possession, first in goal at the nine, at
Speaker 1: the nine, and they end up third and goal at
Speaker 1: the fifteen because they end up with a one minus
Speaker 1: one and then a sack again and they kick a
Speaker 1: thirty three yard field goal. And if you look at
Speaker 1: the first possession of the second half, they're only down
Speaker 1: seventeen to three first and ten at the twenty three,
Speaker 1: a run minus seven on third and fourteen, a sack,
Speaker 1: another field goal attempt and he misses again, and then
Speaker 1: they throw an interception. They're down twenty three and ball
Speaker 1: games over. Can't be kicking field goals. And the bottom
Speaker 1: line in that game, as I remember you guys and
Speaker 1: ever since you I'm sure you played in the Metrodome,
Speaker 1: it was so loud. It was so loud. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: offensive line didn't have a chance. Right, Romo ends up
Speaker 1: getting sacked six times, he got hit another ten times,
Speaker 1: and they had eleven Minnesota had eleven tackles for losses.
Speaker 1: So we look at it and oh, Romo didn't win
Speaker 1: the game. No, the offensive line got their butts whip
Speaker 1: because it was so loud. They were they couldn't get
Speaker 1: off the ball on time, and then it played out
Speaker 1: in twenty ten when that offensive line just got old
Speaker 1: overnight and we saw what happened with that one in
Speaker 1: seven seasons. So to me, the bottom line, you're playing
Speaker 1: playoff games, boy, you better be scoring touchdowns and you
Speaker 1: better protect your quarterback. You gotta you have to know
Speaker 1: your opponent, Spags. You know that Kansas City is gonna
Speaker 1: go off and they're like a streak shooter. Once they score,
Speaker 1: they're gonna continue. You're not gonna hold them to field goals,
Speaker 1: and if you do, they're gonna come back and score
Speaker 1: a touchdown on the ensuing drive most likely. So that's
Speaker 1: things that you have to be aware of. You have
Speaker 1: to know your opponent. Getting back to the Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: situation and that decision whether you want to go kick
Speaker 1: a field going on fourth down or not, whether you
Speaker 1: are aware of what the coach wants to me, Spags,
Speaker 1: I can't allow Aaron Rodgers to be that naive. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh well, coach didn't tell me, Well, you're Aaron Rodgers. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's all I've been hearing. You're Aaron Rodgers. You should
Speaker 1: know that this is a possibility. And I'm surprised they
Speaker 1: didn't discuss it. Why would you send me Why would
Speaker 1: you say, okay, you call this third down play, and me,
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, would say, okay, so that's it. We're
Speaker 1: just gonna gonna call this third down play. What's happening
Speaker 1: after that? Quarterbacks and coaches go over every scenario. I
Speaker 1: cannot just say and give Aaron Rodgers the power to say, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what we were gonna do on fourth down. Well,
Speaker 1: that should have been part of the discussion when the
Speaker 1: third down play was called. You can't go into a
Speaker 1: third down play, you say, knowing what you're gonna do
Speaker 1: on four I can't give him that that leeway there.
Speaker 1: So I can't. I can't put them on just to
Speaker 1: pay or just Aaron Rodgers. Both of them should have known, Okay,
Speaker 1: if we don't make this third down, what are we
Speaker 1: gonna do on fourth downs? To me, that's a pressure,
Speaker 1: that's a no baby Chris not knowing how to produce
Speaker 1: I would we wouldn't have him back there if he
Speaker 1: didn't talk about all the things that might happen doing
Speaker 1: the show. Otherwise we don't need him. That's it. Maybe
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur didn't tell Aaron Rodgers before the third down player,
Speaker 1: we're kicking the field goal if we don't score a touchdown.
Speaker 1: And that's why Rodgers made the decision that he did
Speaker 1: in his own mind, I can't get to the end zone,
Speaker 1: so I gotta throw it. I don't know, I have
Speaker 1: no idea if that happened or not, and the decision.
Speaker 1: Throughout the ball game, the pressure on these guys was immense.
Speaker 1: And when I say these guys, I mean the Green
Speaker 1: Bay offense, So not just the Aaron Rodgers in the
Speaker 1: offense on the field, but the coaches are feeling the
Speaker 1: pressure on the sideline as well. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: everybody's out of the whack. No one is, you know,
Speaker 1: going through the procedures that they always go through in
Speaker 1: a calm situation. And that's that's why they always say, guys,
Speaker 1: pressure will bust a pipe. You can man what we'll
Speaker 1: do to a human being. And that's why a coach
Speaker 1: makes a decision like that to kick a field goal
Speaker 1: that makes no sense whatsoever there was it made no
Speaker 1: sense to kick that field goal, well, especially when you
Speaker 1: consider go ahead Mickey, I was gonna say, just like
Speaker 1: it made no sense to Chase the two point conversion
Speaker 1: when a extra point puts them down seven points instead
Speaker 1: of being down. They don't take into account that's right.
Speaker 1: They don't take into account that. Okay, what if the
Speaker 1: other team kicks a field goal on their next position
Speaker 1: and sally yeah, and now you have to not only
Speaker 1: score a touchdown but also a two point conversion. I mean,
Speaker 1: you just put yourself in that position. Here's the other
Speaker 1: thing when you when you mentioned pressure, Tampa Bay's defense
Speaker 1: sacked Aaron Rodgers five times. They hit him another eight times. Now,
Speaker 1: I know they didn't have David Baktyari their starting offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: but boy, that just goes to show you how important
Speaker 1: in these games it is to protect your quarterback. Brady
Speaker 1: only got sacked one time. They couldn't get to him, right,
Speaker 1: and he's throwing deep. He's throwing deep and they can't
Speaker 1: get to him. H So uh, that offensive line in
Speaker 1: these games is vitally, vitally important to the success of
Speaker 1: what your quarterback may or or or may not have.
Speaker 1: I mean, mahomes is thirty seven of forty nine, get
Speaker 1: out of here, right, and he wasn't scrambling for his
Speaker 1: life thirty seven of forty nine for four hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty two yards. And this Buffalo defense hadn't played well previously. Yes,
Speaker 1: they had well when you look at the Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: Green Bay game. Uh. One more note on the on
Speaker 1: the field goal. It was just like Kevin Stefanski the
Speaker 1: week before in the Cleveland game where they it was
Speaker 1: almost identical situation, just different part of the field. Whether
Speaker 1: they're down five okay and they opt there, you're asking
Speaker 1: your defense to do the exact same thing. If you
Speaker 1: don't make it on fourth down, okay, you have to
Speaker 1: stop the other team. So you might as well, in
Speaker 1: this case, give your Hall of Fame quarterback Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: an opportunity on fourth down to win the game for
Speaker 1: you or to tie the game for you. And secondly,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're if you're giving the football up,
Speaker 1: whether whether you're you fail on fourth down or you
Speaker 1: kick it on fourth down, you have to stop Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and so you might as well give your guy
Speaker 1: a chance. And the same thing happened the week before
Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield and Cleveland. The other thing as far
Speaker 1: as getting pressure on Rogers in Tampa Bay and how
Speaker 1: about Shack Barrett and JPP Jason Pierre Paul at whatever
Speaker 1: age his right now the one because remember Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: was playing throughout that second half without both their starting safeties.
Speaker 1: They played the entire game without a guy that should
Speaker 1: be in serious consideration for defensive Rookie of the Year
Speaker 1: Antoine Winfield, who is out. And then they lose Whitehead,
Speaker 1: and so those edge rushers basically won the game for
Speaker 1: them defensively by getting pressure on Rogers and taking him
Speaker 1: out of his game. No, absolutely, And so you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's good to see other teams have problems like this, right,
Speaker 1: this is what happens to the Cowboys. Right the Cowboys
Speaker 1: never get beat. There's always a reason for it. Right now,
Speaker 1: they're not. There's never well, they weren't good enough. No,
Speaker 1: there's always one player or one coaching decision that makes
Speaker 1: the difference. So it's nice to see somebody else have
Speaker 1: some problems. And eversing, how about this, you're talking about
Speaker 1: the pressure bursting pipes and coaches decisions and so forth.
Speaker 1: How about Bruce Arians at the end of the first half. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's a veteran coach and they were about to punt
Speaker 1: the football away with eight seconds left and a half,
Speaker 1: and then and then he thought about it and okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and take a shot. Okay. And there
Speaker 1: was some risks I guess involved there, because if you
Speaker 1: don't complete that, you give the ball back and then Rogers,
Speaker 1: the king of the hail Mary Uh, you know, gets
Speaker 1: an opportunity to heave it downfield. But the Arians came
Speaker 1: that close to not making that decision to get Brady
Speaker 1: an opportunity to burn Kevin King on the touchdown pass
Speaker 1: to Scottie Miller at the end of the first half.
Speaker 1: Brady already had his cape on. He had gone to
Speaker 1: the sideline assuming they were gonna punt. He had the capon.
Speaker 1: Turns out, Mickey. Turns out, Mickey, it was a Superman
Speaker 1: cape he had. Yeah, right, exactly, well, and you know what,
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what that reminded me of.
Speaker 1: You remember the end of the half in the ninety
Speaker 1: four NFC title game that the Cowboys fell behind twenty
Speaker 1: one nothing. I believe they were down twenty four to
Speaker 1: ten at that point, if I remember correctly, I may not.
Speaker 1: It might have been twenty. I think it was twenty
Speaker 1: four to ten, and there was mere seconds left in
Speaker 1: the half and San Francisco had the ball at the
Speaker 1: twenty eight yard line, and he ends up throwing a
Speaker 1: touchdown pass. I believe it was to Jerry Rice of
Speaker 1: all people, right, and Larry Brown gets lost on the
Speaker 1: play and gets beat when basically they had one play
Speaker 1: left or two plays left. The last thing you can
Speaker 1: do is let Jerry Rice get behind you, right, and
Speaker 1: they end up throw in a touchdown pass similar to that.
Speaker 1: How do you let anybody get behind you to score
Speaker 1: a touchdown with one second to go? It's it's not
Speaker 1: only ridiculous in that manners bags. This is something that
Speaker 1: Brady does often. This is no surprise, you know. It's
Speaker 1: one of those things where you know, what, might as
Speaker 1: well take a shot when you're around the fifty yard line,
Speaker 1: when you're around midfield. Defensive backs always know this is
Speaker 1: when quarterbacks like to take a shot. It's a no
Speaker 1: lose situation for the offense. If they make the touchdown,
Speaker 1: of course, it's great. If they don't, then you still
Speaker 1: got the field position game one, because if you pump
Speaker 1: the ball away, then most likely you're going to have
Speaker 1: their offense deep down in the in the in their
Speaker 1: part of the field. So this is something that Brady
Speaker 1: has done before. He did it in New England many times,
Speaker 1: and so to me that was a matter of Okay, hey, coach,
Speaker 1: I want to give this a try. We don't need
Speaker 1: to worry about potting this ball. Like you said, it's
Speaker 1: only a few seconds left and a half. Let me
Speaker 1: give it a try. What can we lose. He's done
Speaker 1: it before. It's a strategic, very strategic way to end
Speaker 1: the half as far as I'm concerned, and I'm very
Speaker 1: surprised that the green based secondary wasn't ready for it.
Speaker 1: Not just King himself, but as a secondary, you gotta
Speaker 1: talk he's not out when you say he's out there
Speaker 1: on the island by himself. Yes, that's one thing as
Speaker 1: a cornerback. I enjoyed that that that position as a cornerback.
Speaker 1: But you still need to communicate. I'm still looking at
Speaker 1: Michael Downs and Dexter clean scale at all times, making
Speaker 1: sure we're on the same page in this crucial moment.
Speaker 1: If nothing else, you want to make sure. Okay, you
Speaker 1: don't want to give up the field goal, but the
Speaker 1: overall concept is, please you can't give up the quick six.
Speaker 1: They and Everson right after that the beginning of the
Speaker 1: second half. You remember Tampa Bay got the turnover, and
Speaker 1: so they're down at the ten yard line or whatever
Speaker 1: it was, and you knew that Brady was gonna take
Speaker 1: a shot after it's the old sudden change. He was
Speaker 1: going to take a shot to the end zone. And
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay came out with three tight ends. Okay, so
Speaker 1: they got this bunch formation and then they just released
Speaker 1: Cameron break they're tight end, and nobody covers in. I
Speaker 1: said as the play was starting, when they came out
Speaker 1: in a bunch formation, I said, he's stolen for the
Speaker 1: end zone because because you knew that was his best opportunity.
Speaker 1: He was he was They were trying to think, make
Speaker 1: him think that, Okay, we're gonna try to run it,
Speaker 1: run it, run it. And it's sure enough it was
Speaker 1: a play fake and Cameron Brad is wide open. How
Speaker 1: do you not cover the tight end releasing on that.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. I gotta tell you, though, number one hero
Speaker 1: of this, this entire game, and that all comes from trust,
Speaker 1: is the fact that Todd bows knew everything Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: was gonna do before he did it. I think Todd
Speaker 1: bows is one of the better defensive coordinators in this league.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a good head coach because that's just not
Speaker 1: his personality. He is exactly where he likes to be
Speaker 1: right now. I don't want to discourage anyone from trying
Speaker 1: to hire him, like they're gonna listen to me as
Speaker 1: a head coach again. But I do know he is
Speaker 1: extremely good and extremely comfortable at being a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: And I would dare say, based on how he took
Speaker 1: a forty plus year old quarterback and hit all his
Speaker 1: faults behind his defense, that was able to cover Brady's
Speaker 1: butt for as long as they could. Right now, they're
Speaker 1: on a roll, and let's be real, guys, they have
Speaker 1: a chance to be kc Well. I know we're getting
Speaker 1: to that the whole later, but all right, if anyone
Speaker 1: has a chance to hold down that great consas to
Speaker 1: the offense, it's the experience of a Todd Bowles defense.
Speaker 1: And you know what, he probably he probably he probably
Speaker 1: knew everything about Brady because he got his ass kicked
Speaker 1: by Brady twice a year when he was the head
Speaker 1: coach of the Jets. Right, that's right, all right, we
Speaker 1: need to take a break. But and I don't want
Speaker 1: to give advice to the Houston Texans who have their
Speaker 1: I think their only team left as a head coaching vacancy.
Speaker 1: But Todd Bowles would be a pretty good fit down
Speaker 1: in Houston as a as a coach. There. That's good stuff,
Speaker 1: all right. We continue with more mix shots in just
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Speaker 1: Mickey and Everson, as we come out of this pandemic
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one is going to be so much
Speaker 1: a better year. When you're opening up the stadium tours,
Speaker 1: it's a great sign. Yeah, I guess he want. I
Speaker 1: want the Cowboy legends when they opened that whole program
Speaker 1: back up again. That's what I'm excited about. I haven't
Speaker 1: been to an athletic event and I don't know how long, man,
Speaker 1: it's been a while. I want to go see some
Speaker 1: Cowboys next year, man, Yep, I tried. You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: A year ago at this time, I was thinking about
Speaker 1: and I was telling people at work at CBS eleven
Speaker 1: how exciting this year was going to be sports wise.
Speaker 1: I'm talking twenty twenty a year ago. But I mean,
Speaker 1: when you think about it, the Cowboys had a new
Speaker 1: coaching staff. There was going to be so much going
Speaker 1: on in the off season. As we learned Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: and we get to talk with all the new coaches,
Speaker 1: and you know, the new players they bring in and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. It's it's always it's always a different
Speaker 1: type off season when there's a coaching change. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: more activity whatever. And then the new ballpark was opening up.
Speaker 1: The Rangers are going to be playing in a new ballpark.
Speaker 1: You look at the Mavericks and with Luca and KP healthy,
Speaker 1: and they were gonna have a great year, you know.
Speaker 1: And then the the Stars also, and as it turned
Speaker 1: out in the bubble, the Stars wound up going all
Speaker 1: the way to the Stanley Cup Final, and then it
Speaker 1: was you know, come March eleventh, though it was it
Speaker 1: was horrific the rest of the year. Here's how here's
Speaker 1: how much I'm helding out hope. Here's how much a
Speaker 1: year's changed. I think a year ago today, I was
Speaker 1: skiing at Beaver Creek and I think that was one
Speaker 1: of the well. I ended up going to New Orleans
Speaker 1: for our department trip early in February. It is probably
Speaker 1: the last time I've been out of town since. So
Speaker 1: you're on as far as skiing as concerned. Uh, not
Speaker 1: yet with the bike incident and the Achilles problem. You're
Speaker 1: on ir now for yeah, skiing, correct, We'll see what.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens next year, though, I kind of
Speaker 1: just I kind of want to just go out there
Speaker 1: and sit and look at snow and be someplace different,
Speaker 1: you know. You know, they do anticipate having twenty two
Speaker 1: thousand fans in the stands in Tampa for the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl next week. I saw that. I gotta say, guys,
Speaker 1: I to me, I look at this, regardless of the
Speaker 1: accomplishments of the Lakers and Tampa. You know, it's amazing
Speaker 1: that Tampa is is hosting the Super Bowl. The team itself,
Speaker 1: that's pretty amazing, you know, for what to happen during
Speaker 1: the pandemic year. But in regards of the Hall, the fame,
Speaker 1: ceremonies and things of that nature, it just seems to
Speaker 1: be watered down so much. And if I was gonna
Speaker 1: go in, oh trust me, I wouldn't be like, ah,
Speaker 1: not this year. I'm gonna wait till all of this
Speaker 1: is over with. Nominate me again that year. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not I wouldn't do that, But I will say
Speaker 1: that if I had a choice, if I had a choice,
Speaker 1: I would choose another year to go in and have
Speaker 1: all of these ceremonies. You know, I'm more been a
Speaker 1: normal fashion as opposed to what we're looking at. You
Speaker 1: want to have your you would want to have your
Speaker 1: family there, and and so forth. Yeah, think about all
Speaker 1: the bells and whistles. Think about how spoiled these people
Speaker 1: in Tampa are. Right, their team's gonna be home for
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Their hockey team, the Lightning, won the Stanley Cup,
Speaker 1: and the baseball team, the Rays, played in the World Series.
Speaker 1: But Mickey, mick Key, it's it's typical Tampa though. All
Speaker 1: this happens in a year where the fans can't even
Speaker 1: enjoy him, you know, you know, their hockey team was
Speaker 1: in Edmonton or wherever. They were playing Toronto, wherever in
Speaker 1: Toronto the same Yeah, the baseball team was playing here, right,
Speaker 1: I was playing here, and so they didn't get to
Speaker 1: even enjoy it, you know, and only be in the stands.
Speaker 1: And those aren't gonna be all Tampa fans. And with
Speaker 1: all the corporate sponsors that you usually get ticket Well,
Speaker 1: when you look at the state of Florida, let's let's
Speaker 1: not forget the Miami Heat was in the NBA Finals
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, we need to break this stuff up
Speaker 1: all right, about these Kansas City Chiefs Okay, there's so
Speaker 1: much attention, of course on the quarterback. But let me
Speaker 1: tell you, in fact, when Micole Hardman muff that punt
Speaker 1: early in the game, I told my wife, who was
Speaker 1: a big Kansas City fan because her quarterback is from
Speaker 1: Texas Tech, and she went to Texas Tech. So she's
Speaker 1: become this huge Chiefs fan all of a sudden the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, and like a lot of people
Speaker 1: around her half but I told her, I said, you
Speaker 1: watch this Hardman. He's gonna he's gonna come back from that,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna do something later in the insured en
Speaker 1: if he scored the first touchdown and then they used
Speaker 1: him on an end around. And but you look at
Speaker 1: Hardman and you look at Tyreek Hill, and you just
Speaker 1: look at the weapons that Mahomes has. Hardman, I looked
Speaker 1: him up at the combine. He ran a four three
Speaker 1: three I think hand held it was a four two
Speaker 1: seven or something like that. Tyreek Hill laser time was
Speaker 1: a four two nine. And I mean, when you have
Speaker 1: that kind of speed on the field, speed kills, right Everson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it should does. And it also, let's let's be real,
Speaker 1: when I played in the eighties in the eighties, two
Speaker 1: receivers came around that were two of the fastest players
Speaker 1: I guess to be in the NFL. One was Ron
Speaker 1: Brown wide receiver for the La Rams or Anaheim Rams
Speaker 1: i think at the time, and then also Willie Golf
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. Now you take a look at those two
Speaker 1: guys they were part of as NFL football players. In
Speaker 1: the off season, they decided to run in I think
Speaker 1: it was Helsinki on the USA four by one hundred
Speaker 1: meter relay team. I don't know what position they were in.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. I think I might look at
Speaker 1: it on YouTube after the game, after the show, but
Speaker 1: they said a world wreck. Could they were part of
Speaker 1: a world record four by one hundred meter relay team
Speaker 1: Willie Golf and Ron Brown. They were still NFL football
Speaker 1: players when they did it. So there's one thing to
Speaker 1: have to cover fast guys that are track athletes. But
Speaker 1: when you have someone like Bob Hayes, who is a
Speaker 1: football player who just happens to be fast as hell,
Speaker 1: that is a totally different issue. So when you're talking
Speaker 1: about speed kills is one thing. But when you have
Speaker 1: an athlete, a true athlete, a football player who happens
Speaker 1: to have speed like Tyree Hill, who can change direction
Speaker 1: just as quickly as he can run straight ahead. That's
Speaker 1: when you have a problem. So in other words, Everson
Speaker 1: Now Willie Golf had football in his background. Ron Brown,
Speaker 1: but Ronaldo Nia Maya is a different story, right, different
Speaker 1: story track athletes, true track athletes who don't have football
Speaker 1: in their background at an early age. Their muscles are
Speaker 1: made to just run straight ahead. In football, you gotta
Speaker 1: do all kinds of stuff. You've seen Beckham, You've seen
Speaker 1: Tommy Hill, that you have to be able to move
Speaker 1: and change direction instinctly, and so track guys muscles are
Speaker 1: just not made to make that lateral movement because everything
Speaker 1: that they do is all about going straight ahead. So
Speaker 1: that's the difference between a track athlete and a guy
Speaker 1: who's a football player who happens to be a fast
Speaker 1: track a fast player. And the poster child for that
Speaker 1: was Alexander Wright, the Cowboys second round draft choice in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety. He was a track guy, but boy, he
Speaker 1: just couldn't run routes in His hands were a little
Speaker 1: bit slower than his four three speed, by the way,
Speaker 1: I remember, his feet were great, but his hands was
Speaker 1: I remember. I remember at some point that rookie year,
Speaker 1: I went up to Jimmy and I go, why do
Speaker 1: you why do you stirn him? Why do you keep
Speaker 1: putting him on the field, And Jimmy goes out. They
Speaker 1: gotta cover him because you never know when he's gonna
Speaker 1: catch one. Where you had we had Johnny Johnny Lamb Jones,
Speaker 1: I think the late great Johnny Lamb Jones, who also
Speaker 1: came to the Cowboys. One of the guys from Lamb Passes, Texas.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, one of them he won. If
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, he won the Texas state title in
Speaker 1: high school in track as a one man team. If
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, I think so. Yeah, he scored everyway
Speaker 1: to the track team in Lamb Passes Texas and he
Speaker 1: won state pretty much by himself. And he was seventy
Speaker 1: six Olympics in Yeah. I just think I can't believe
Speaker 1: I was trying to cover these guys. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I just tried to block it out of
Speaker 1: my head, just how fast they were. Well, no, they
Speaker 1: but they weren't a threat. They just weren't threats too
Speaker 1: on the football field at all. You know, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had another guy sort of like I think it was.
Speaker 1: He was a rookie year last year. Dixon. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was kind of a small He's the guy that got
Speaker 1: you in trouble in Arizona, remember, because when Troy got
Speaker 1: knocked out, he caught that touchdown pass. It was about
Speaker 1: sixty eight yards to tie the game. But he was
Speaker 1: another guy because the next year they were thinking about
Speaker 1: they were going to try and move him to like
Speaker 1: running back and have have like a high bred tailback.
Speaker 1: And I remember Jimmy, Jimmy said, Jimmy said, he goes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes with with with Dixon, you're better off handing the
Speaker 1: mall to him than throw the ball too. And you know,
Speaker 1: let's be real, Dixon, Uh, he wasn't the brightest bulb
Speaker 1: in thea So you have to you have to be
Speaker 1: aware of what you can do. But when you look
Speaker 1: at Dixon, uh, he is that that Tyreek hill. I
Speaker 1: mean if he would have you know, just had the ability,
Speaker 1: the mental ability and all of that to put it together.
Speaker 1: Because I've been looking at some YouTube videos. He caught
Speaker 1: a nice skinny post on me. Uh, and we were
Speaker 1: so intent on not let him in catch it. My
Speaker 1: safety almost knocked me out because it was something that
Speaker 1: we anticipated. But yeah, Dixon was he had the ability,
Speaker 1: but physically it was just mentally he just wasn't there.
Speaker 1: When you talk about that incident and have his owner,
Speaker 1: that was the big beginning of the end of my
Speaker 1: career with the Cowboys, but it was the beginning of
Speaker 1: my career as a Super Bowl winning with the Giants,
Speaker 1: because if it wasn't for that incident and Jimmy Johnson
Speaker 1: and I cursing each other out going down the ramp
Speaker 1: and amazone them, then I would probably still with the
Speaker 1: Bill Dallas Cowboys. No'm telling him how that would have
Speaker 1: turned out. And before we go to break, here's a
Speaker 1: little trivia question for you. You mentioned Johnny Lamb Jones
Speaker 1: at the University of Texas and Lamb passes he was
Speaker 1: on that gold medal winning sprint relay team in the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six Olympics in Montreal. How high was Johnny
Speaker 1: Lamb Jones drafted in the NFL draft in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: What pick was he? I think he was late. Okay,
Speaker 1: you got Hiven late. I don't remember. That was before
Speaker 1: my NFL days. First of all, I didn't know he
Speaker 1: was drafted in eighty Yeah, he was. I had no
Speaker 1: idea because by the time he came around to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I think it was well eighty six seven or so.
Speaker 1: You're okay, You're gonna be shocked by this revelation. Johnny
Speaker 1: Lamb Jones was the second pick in the draft eighteen
Speaker 1: eighty by the New York Jets. Yes, Billy Simms went
Speaker 1: number one to the Detroit Lions, and Johnny Lamb Jones
Speaker 1: went number two to the New York Jets. What Billy
Speaker 1: many Boos went number three to the Cincinnati Bengals in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty Hall of Fame talk about another sprinter, Everson
Speaker 1: Curtis Dickeye out of Texas A and M went number
Speaker 1: five to the Baltimore Colts in nineteen eighty. Were in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one. We were running behind him for about
Speaker 1: eighty yards at Baltimore. I've seen that speed. I mean
Speaker 1: I was way back there, but yeah, I saw it.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did. And so John Lamb Jones was the
Speaker 1: number one rated receiver coming out in that draft with
Speaker 1: that kind of speed. Art Monk first round pick of
Speaker 1: the Redskins, number eighteen overall in nineteen eighty. All right,
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Speaker 1: doing right now, Mickey and Everson. Sounds like you're shuffling paper. No,
Speaker 1: that's me. That would be what I'm doing is I'm
Speaker 1: watching individual drills the National squad at the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: on the NFL Network. They are no longer at lad
Speaker 1: People's Stadium in Mobile, Alabama this year for the practices
Speaker 1: leading up to the game. That the University of South
Speaker 1: Alabama instead. And oh, yeah, there you go. There's an
Speaker 1: Oklahoma center of the Creed Humphrey right there. And so
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch this for a little bit and
Speaker 1: Nicky can take it away. Green Humphreys lined up at center.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to work with the left tackles. They're
Speaker 1: got a kid from Notre Dame lining up at left tackle. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to spend the rest of the afternoon watching
Speaker 1: this stuff, Picky, And I bet there's not many people
Speaker 1: surrounding the field as normal watching those games, right, No,
Speaker 1: they especially from dands. There are some people up in
Speaker 1: the stands state the NFL scouts. Teams can have up
Speaker 1: to twelve individuals in attendance. Is that right? I think
Speaker 1: it's ten. I read ten. Okay, they're limited to ten
Speaker 1: personnel to scout the event. And as you said, the
Speaker 1: games being played this time at Hancock Whitney Stadium. Uh,
Speaker 1: they've already sold out like six thousand tickets. And the
Speaker 1: media availability is very very limited. Uh. You know they
Speaker 1: used to let us on the field after the practice
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, pick out who you wanted
Speaker 1: to interview. That won't be allowed. Uh. They're going to
Speaker 1: have four players per practice to be interviewed, and the
Speaker 1: interview has to have The media will be socially distanced
Speaker 1: in sections in the in the stands. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: they'll have some evening phone line uh interviews, zoom calls,
Speaker 1: things like that. Uh. And uh, boy, they used to
Speaker 1: be able to hang out out at the hotel and
Speaker 1: bump into people. Uh. That's not happening uh any longer. Uh.
Speaker 1: And as you said, this year, it'll be the national
Speaker 1: team versus the American team. No more North uh and South.
Speaker 1: But they did uh manage to get Davante. Yeah you
Speaker 1: explain noticing that. I'm not sure you're not gonna drag
Speaker 1: me into that, uh because it it very easily could happen,
Speaker 1: by the way. Uh oh, although you know what happened though,
Speaker 1: because of the the invitations and uh, you know, not
Speaker 1: knowing who was gonna come or who couldn't. I think
Speaker 1: they had a hard time dividing it up geographically, so
Speaker 1: they just kind of put people on teams. But DeVante Smith,
Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy winner, is competing in this Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: and I read where he's only the tenth Heisman winner
Speaker 1: to participate in a Senior Bowl. The other nine, Doke Walker,
Speaker 1: I got one of them. Shut up, mother, Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield was the last one Heisman Trophy winner to participate.
Speaker 1: If I go backwards, Tim Tebow, Troy Smith, Carson Palmer,
Speaker 1: Bo Jackson in nineteen eighty, nineteen seventy four, John Cappelletti,
Speaker 1: Pat Sullivan, Alan Amici, and Doke walk Away. Bo wait right,
Speaker 1: Bo Jackson in nineteen seventy four. What is a third grader?
Speaker 1: It says Comma, nineteen seventy four, Bo Jackson. It should
Speaker 1: be nineteen eighty six, right now, that's what that's what
Speaker 1: it has, you know, Bob Jackson. Bob Jackson as a
Speaker 1: sixth grader could have competed in the seed. They probably
Speaker 1: didn't have athlete as a sixth grader. He could have.
Speaker 1: He would have been like eighty three or so. Well,
Speaker 1: it's either it's it's maybe. Well Carson Palmer it says, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably what it is. Yeah, they made a type
Speaker 1: on that thing. Anyway. Yeah, things have changed. Good things
Speaker 1: have changed. You know. They also got rid of the
Speaker 1: East West Shrine Game and also the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl,
Speaker 1: Uh got canceled. And the ways we can't we can't
Speaker 1: have the East play in the West either, that's right, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we didn't no way. In fact, the players started arriving
Speaker 1: on Saturday because they had to do their COVID testing
Speaker 1: and had to pass through multiple times throughout the week.
Speaker 1: And this year each player gets his own room. And
Speaker 1: how about this, for the first time NFL teams had
Speaker 1: to buy into the Bowl game. They're paying for club
Speaker 1: suites at the new stadium for interviews with players. So
Speaker 1: that's how they're kind of raising money to help out
Speaker 1: with the loss because of lack of fans being allowed
Speaker 1: into the stadium. So this whole thing is different. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, it was a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago and I was talking to Will McClay. He wasn't
Speaker 1: even sure they were gonna you know, they had all
Speaker 1: these plans to have the game, but he wasn't even sure,
Speaker 1: you know, who was going to be allowed there. So
Speaker 1: from a team standpoint, even if you only have a
Speaker 1: limited amount of personnel at the practices, they record those
Speaker 1: things and they send them out to all the teams,
Speaker 1: so you're able to you're able to watch the practices.
Speaker 1: You just don't get that one on one capability with
Speaker 1: these players, And to me, that's one of the most
Speaker 1: important things, especially with the combine, which by the way,
Speaker 1: that has changed significantly. Also, you guys, I was one
Speaker 1: of those guys. I was truly blessed to have the
Speaker 1: career that I had because when you think of where
Speaker 1: I came from, none of that recruiting crap. I was
Speaker 1: privy too, had to you know, basically bragg my way
Speaker 1: onto Grammling for that last scholarship. No, I mean I
Speaker 1: led the nation of New Sections, but I didn't get
Speaker 1: any invitations to any of the big you know, combines
Speaker 1: or any of that. I had my one experience in Jackson, Mississippi.
Speaker 1: It was Sardan Broadcasting Network Bowl Game, Black College Bowl Game,
Speaker 1: and Shardan was at the hotel. It was an African
Speaker 1: American family that was in media, s H. E. R. I.
Speaker 1: D A N. And they were they were a great
Speaker 1: friend to HBCUs. So they sponsored this game. Man, it
Speaker 1: was so cold in Jackson, Mississippi in February, like fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred people showed up at the game. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to play that game, that's how cold it was. I
Speaker 1: felt like I was in Green Bay somewhere. I didn't
Speaker 1: know Jackson, Mississippi could be so cold, but it was
Speaker 1: just so uneventful. Uh happy to play in the game.
Speaker 1: Of course, they sent some backup scouts down there to
Speaker 1: time us. There was no one of any prominence that
Speaker 1: was really there. So to be able to have the
Speaker 1: career I had and starting at such a powerful place,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm pretty I'm definitely blessed to have the
Speaker 1: career I had. But board all of these things you're
Speaker 1: talking about, North, South, East, West Shrine, all American Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: things of that nature. Yeah, most HBCU players we just
Speaker 1: don't get a chance to participate in that and especially
Speaker 1: since you know all the bigger, the better players are
Speaker 1: going to the Power fives now and that doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to be reversing course in any way. You just won't
Speaker 1: be seeing any HBCU players being prominent at any of those.
Speaker 1: So to be able to come out my rookie year
Speaker 1: and my whole career, to be able to to play
Speaker 1: well against some of those guys that they thought deserved
Speaker 1: those those that reputation more than the HBCU players, it
Speaker 1: felt real good to just stick it to the scouts
Speaker 1: faces and stick it to all those UH owners and
Speaker 1: offensive coordinates that just really thought they knew better. That
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with the how can I
Speaker 1: put it motivation behind my career, I think my whole career,
Speaker 1: I was still saying something like you to take that,
Speaker 1: take that. Yeah, that was pretty much month. So I'll
Speaker 1: tell you you mentioned how cold my first winner in Jackson, Mississippi.
Speaker 1: It actually snowed two inches. I want you to know this,
Speaker 1: and it's crazy. And they were so worthy to stop
Speaker 1: that wind from just blowing right through your clothes, and
Speaker 1: they were so they were so worried that we wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to get back the next morning to put
Speaker 1: out the what was then an afternoon paper too. They
Speaker 1: put us up in hotels overnight so we could just
Speaker 1: walk to work the next day. Well, it was two inches, right.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Chicago. My buddy that I was
Speaker 1: working with grew up in Detroit or in Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: So we went back to our our apartments to get
Speaker 1: clothes for the next day, shower, change whatever, and bring
Speaker 1: stuff back. Right, the sports edator found out we went
Speaker 1: home and he just gave us, Holly, you drove home.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like time, it's two inches. Come on,
Speaker 1: give me a break. He just got like three minutes left.
Speaker 1: But Everson a capsule version of how did the Cowboys
Speaker 1: discover you? Well, Gil Brent, you know he's out there
Speaker 1: always looking at HBCUs away. I tell people all time
Speaker 1: he's good at finding cheap labor. And that's what that's
Speaker 1: what Gil is good at. So you know he finds
Speaker 1: a cheap labor from all HBCUs and some of the
Speaker 1: smallest schools. You know, watch top Baptist Cliff Harris. He
Speaker 1: found me just like he found Cliff. You know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't that hard to find I mean, I was leading
Speaker 1: the nation in interceptions and I was only four golf
Speaker 1: of park. You were just down the road, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just down just down the street. Yeah, no doubt a
Speaker 1: couple of couple of lights away. But I wasn't known
Speaker 1: in that manner at that time. But being a Grambling, really,
Speaker 1: I think that's how they looked at it. You know,
Speaker 1: Grammling's only four four hour drive away. Uh he said,
Speaker 1: I think he sent uh jeff Roe Pew to lay
Speaker 1: Jeff Roe pu to come sign me, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they told jeff Or to offer me,
Speaker 1: but I have a feeling if he could work a
Speaker 1: deal with me, he couldn't keep the difference. I think
Speaker 1: that's I think that's how Gill said it off. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe my fifteen hundred dollars signing bonus
Speaker 1: could have been two thy twenty five hundred. You just
Speaker 1: never know. I don't know what jeff will walked away with.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it sounds like Drew Pearson's story when
Speaker 1: they signed him at Tulsa and after the draft undrafted
Speaker 1: and Drew didn't even have enough He said, I didn't
Speaker 1: hardly had enough money to put gas in my car
Speaker 1: to drive to the hotel to meet h to meet
Speaker 1: whoever was was, you know, scouting him or giving him
Speaker 1: signing him to the contract. So he got a five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars signing bonus, right, five hundred dollars signing bonus.
Speaker 1: He went home and he basically told his wife, well,
Speaker 1: I got to go to the dorm because the guys
Speaker 1: are waiting for me after I signed. And she goes, well,
Speaker 1: how much did you get? And he goes, I got
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty dollars because I took the other
Speaker 1: two fifty to buy beer for everybody. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of beer. Well maybe maybe food too, you never know, right,
Speaker 1: he figured, I you can get old Milwaukee, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get old Milwaukee at six pack of Old Milwaukee
Speaker 1: for a dollar eighty nine back. Yet I wouldn't know
Speaker 1: about that, Bill, I bet, I bet when you were
Speaker 1: in an HBCU right at Grambling, you never thought a
Speaker 1: graduate from one of those schools would end up being
Speaker 1: vice president? Is that crazy? Is that crazy Casebcus? We
Speaker 1: run the world, baby, We're taken over the world won't
Speaker 1: be long, all right? And next week super Bowl week
Speaker 1: it's also Hall of Fame week, Drew Pearson will be
Speaker 1: finding out from Big David Baker. He'll probably surprise him
Speaker 1: at his home or something next week that he's going
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame and so everything. I want
Speaker 1: you to do your homework on the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: finalist and give your breakdown on who should be Hall
Speaker 1: of Famers in this class this year. Nicky, you can
Speaker 1: do the same easy work. That's easy work, and there's
Speaker 1: so much to get to next week, which will be
Speaker 1: it'll be our own version of media Day at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl next Tuesday, and you keep watching those Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl practices. Okay, I am. I am going to do that.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a full record on the show. Sign
Speaker 1: I'll open up my big green NFL Draft scouting notebook.
Speaker 1: I purchased the notebook last week. I'm ready to fill
Speaker 1: it up. All right, We'll talk at you next week
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