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Speaker 1: Welcome to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 1: crime all the time. It is a Monday, Oh goodness,

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Speaker 1: October twenty seventh.

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Speaker 2: Where is the time going?

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Speaker 3: And guess what?

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Speaker 1: We have a stacked night of headlines. I'm Stephanie Lei

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Speaker 1: Decker and I head a KT Studios, where we make

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Speaker 1: true crime podcasts like in Cells and the Idaho Massacre

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Speaker 1: season three out now please listen, and documentaries like the

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Speaker 1: Pike County Murders also on Peacock and the Idaho Student

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Speaker 1: Murders on Peacock and listen. We have so many headlines

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Speaker 1: to get to. I'm here with Courtney Armstrong, my true

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Speaker 1: crime mate, and also Body move In, my other true

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Speaker 1: crime mate, and we have Taha and Sam and Adam

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Speaker 1: in the house as well, and we.

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Speaker 2: Are coming off of a tough weekend.

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Speaker 1: And also, first and foremost, we must say that our

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Speaker 1: hearts and prayers are with Jamaica right now. This you know,

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Speaker 1: really scary category five ugh hurricane. Hopefully they are not

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Speaker 1: going to get a direct hit. Our love is going

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Speaker 1: out to the nice who's a dear friend of the

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Speaker 1: show and her family who are hunkered down. And again,

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Speaker 1: anyone whose family and friends are being affected in any way,

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Speaker 1: please know that our thoughts are really with you.

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Speaker 3: And this weekend was a tough one.

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Speaker 1: We had three major shootings throughout the country, getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of minimal coverage, you know, frankly, so we definitely

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Speaker 1: just want to acknowledge that so much has happened over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Saturday am in North Carolina at a Halloween festivity,

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Speaker 1: kind of a really big party, two killed, eleven wounded.

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Speaker 1: And then Saturday night in Pennsylvania, another homecoming festivity, another shooting,

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Speaker 1: leaving one dead and six others injured. Again, our hearts

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Speaker 1: really go out to their families and their loved ones

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Speaker 1: of the victims. Can you imagine these are supposed to

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Speaker 1: be festivities and happy times, and how harrowing that they're

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Speaker 1: ending so sadly and destructively. And then this NBA scandal

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Speaker 1: has made us all insane, you know, Federal prosecutors, if

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Speaker 1: you haven't been following along, officially charged NBA coach Chauncey

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Speaker 1: Billips and player from Miami, Terry Rosier, and thirty two

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Speaker 1: others in this very high stakes basically mafia gambling scheme.

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Speaker 1: And the question is will there be more arrests. This

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Speaker 1: is just the tip the iceberg. It is straight out

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Speaker 1: of a movie and there's really so much to unpack there,

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Speaker 1: and it's so disappointing because people work so hard for

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Speaker 1: their careers, professional athletes, their entire lives are dedicated to

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Speaker 1: their sport, and you know, as a fan, it's so

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Speaker 1: so upsetting. And then straight to Paris the Loup. Two

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Speaker 1: have been arrested in this major jewel heist. The jewels

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Speaker 1: that perhaps they've already been melted down. We've also heard

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Speaker 1: other accounts that sometimes thieves keep the jewels because they

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Speaker 1: Ditty's got a release date just as an FYI, so

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Speaker 1: we'll be revisiting that.

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Speaker 3: Also.

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Speaker 1: Ex Illinois Deputy Sean Grayson is standing trial currently for

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Speaker 1: the death of Sonya Macy. She was shot very tragically

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Speaker 1: in her home. He's been charged with first degree murder

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Speaker 1: and closing arguments could soon start even tomorrow. And really,

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Speaker 1: I want to know one thing, where are the Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: Why are they not being released? So we are revisiting

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Speaker 1: some of the cases that we've been talking about, getting

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Speaker 1: some updates on Luigi, Like I said, Diddy a little

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Speaker 1: bit on Epstein and the Palisades fire.

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Speaker 2: That trial is going to happen really quickly.

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Speaker 1: So the person who has been accused is looking at

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Speaker 1: a trial date in December.

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Speaker 2: So where should we begin, Ladies?

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Speaker 3: First of all, how are you? That was a lot? Sorry,

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Speaker 3: but it's going on.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on in the world.

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Speaker 1: People have no jobs, the federal government is closed, airlines

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Speaker 4: Commet heading toward the planet.

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Speaker 2: Like the commet.

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Speaker 1: What is happening with this alleged commet heading toward us

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Speaker 1: don't know what's true. We really take the sourcing so seriously,

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Speaker 1: the third of its kind in Earth's history, is apparently

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Speaker 1: We don't know what's true in this case. If you

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Speaker 1: I also just watched the series Paradise for the very

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Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone's seen it.

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Speaker 1: It's on Hulu now and it stars Sterling Brown from

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Speaker 1: This Is Us and also Julianne Nicholson.

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Speaker 1: That, that's a real binge watch, and it seems incredibly

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Speaker 1: right now after the show.

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Speaker 3: We can talk about it tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But it kind of touches on all of these really scary,

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Speaker 1: harrowing things. So anyway, we're so glad to be with

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Speaker 3: Jump in.

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Speaker 1: We want to hear your talkbacks as always, keep them coming. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we've gotten a few little cleaning tips and also some

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Speaker 2: So yeah, where should we begin, ladies.

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Speaker 5: I think we start with what's doing with this MBA

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Speaker 5: slash mafia business? Because this is this is something federal prosecutors.

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Speaker 5: They've charged NBA coach coach Chauncey Billups and player Tayor

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Speaker 5: Terry Rosier.

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Speaker 5: So those two guys and thirty two others in two

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Speaker 5: major federal indictments, and they're exposing how members of four

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Speaker 5: New York mafia families use technology, They use professional athletes

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Speaker 5: as well as intimidation to run this multi million dollar

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Speaker 5: illegal betting and rigged poker operation. This happened across eleven states,

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Speaker 5: so it really does seem like out of a movie.

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Speaker 5: The two cases, the titles are amazing. One was called

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Speaker 5: Operation Nothing But Bet and the other is Operation Royal Flush,

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Speaker 5: and they mark the most sweeping mafialing gambling prosecutions in years.

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Speaker 5: And the indictment connects La Costro Nochra's enduring influence with

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Speaker 5: these schemes. So it's kind of old school extortion and

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Speaker 5: cutting edge tech fraud. I've really never heard anything like it.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is two part because this hits in a

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Speaker 1: You know, crime families is a really big deal because

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Speaker 2: So A, that's very very unique. B.

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Speaker 1: The technology is pretty unbelievable, so you know, we're way

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Speaker 1: past card counting. This is like real tech tables that

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Speaker 1: You know, these were high stakes games that were being

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Speaker 1: is just crushing on behalf of all sports. NBA insiders

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Speaker 1: I mean, imagine being a Miami Heat player. You're making

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Speaker 3: Allegedly, he would basically.

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Speaker 1: Say, oh yeah, I'm gonna play for nine and a

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Speaker 4: Right, it's gonna take an injury and they can bet

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Speaker 3: Right. That's crazy exactly. God, oh, all of it.

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Speaker 5: And this really goes hand in hand with the proliferation

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Speaker 5: there's so many more ways to bet as well. Right,

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Speaker 5: but four families are involved, the Gambino, the Giovac, the Laksi,

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Speaker 2: So all of those families in crime family.

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Speaker 1: That's very scary. Remembers snitches get stitches in the crime family.

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Speaker 3: It absolutely is.

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Speaker 5: And the player Rosier allegedly tipped off associates that he

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Speaker 5: Authorities have also identified seven different NBA games between February

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Speaker 5: This involves the Lakers, the Raptors, thunder Bucks, Hornets, Pelicans,

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Speaker 5: then on the poker side, so people were brought in,

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Speaker 5: It was hidden cameras in the tables. It was X

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Speaker 5: the mark cards. And this, yeah, this poker ring allegedly

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Speaker 5: stole almost seven million dollars and some individuals lost up

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Speaker 5: to almost two million dollars. So it's really far it's

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Speaker 1: And by the way, for these guys, for coach Chauncey Billips,

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Speaker 1: this is really upsetting. And if this is true, what

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Speaker 1: a stain for your team and the people who have

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Speaker 1: dedicated themselves so diligently to your word, right and again

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Speaker 1: for the player in the Miami Heat, what a bummer

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Speaker 1: for your teammates, Like, talk about a real Judas move.

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Speaker 1: This is your this is your NBA family. So is

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Speaker 1: this just the tip of the iceberg?

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Speaker 1: There has been chatter that coach Chauncy Phillips when he

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Speaker 1: there was a logo that said Clutch Sports Group and

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Speaker 1: Clutch Sports Group allegedly this part is not allegedly, but

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Speaker 4: Yeah, be called what's the movie called? I think it's

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 1: Courtney Armstrong and body move in and we are jamming

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Speaker 1: I know you've been following this case so closely about

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So Sean Grayson. He is the former Illinois sheriff

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Speaker 4: So Sonia Macy. She was a thirty six year old

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Speaker 4: I think there's his body, can't putage. It's horrific. Excuse me.

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Speaker 4: He testified today that he did not use his stun

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Speaker 3: This is so odd.

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Speaker 4: The exchange was captured on bodycam video, which we've all seen.

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Speaker 3: It's terrible.

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Speaker 4: It was publicly released and it was played in court.

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Speaker 4: So after grabbing this, you know, pot of water, Sonia

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Speaker 4: he escalated the situation with his reaction. You know, we

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Speaker 1: And you know, we've seen the tape and I don't

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Speaker 1: What I'm curious about is what happened prior to that?

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Speaker 1: We see the same footage here is you know, mom

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Speaker 2: We don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: How did it journed from suddenly her being the suspect

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Speaker 4: Well, she had some mental health challenges, which again, these

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Speaker 1: I will say is pretty real. You know, if someone's

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Speaker 1: Seems insane, but you know, in a flash of a minute,

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Speaker 4: I am too, Courtney, what were you going to say?

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Speaker 7: Don't help, and that Grayson turned his own camera off

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Speaker 3: His camera wasn't running, but his excuse me, I've got

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a little you have a little men in

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Speaker 4: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little hiccup. Because this is also a really

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Speaker 3: It's brutal.

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Speaker 5: No, And it's very curious the mention that he worried

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Speaker 5: They seem effective in every situation I've ever read about his.

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Speaker 4: Partner, Deputy Farley, he testified that Sonya never acted in

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Speaker 1: Right, and think about it, are you turning on your partner?

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Speaker 1: You know that's also very rare. Let's be real, right,

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Speaker 1: I have to commend that deputy Deputy Valley, for you

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Speaker 1: So you know, we're seeing sort of the language that

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Speaker 3: So yeah, the defense we have to sell both sides, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we will keep you updated. This is true Crime tonight.

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Speaker 5: We're on iHeartRadio. Courtney here with Body Movin and Stephanie Leidecker.

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Speaker 5: We've been talking about the case of Sean Grayson, a

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Speaker 3: We will stay on with that. We would love to

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Speaker 3: And you are on the show. Now. I wanted to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this story with Macy it makes me so.

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Speaker 3: Sad and mad.

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Speaker 1: So not that the Louver thing is lighter by any means.

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Speaker 1: You know, thieving is not okay. But tell us take

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Speaker 1: us to Paris, Courtney, Let's go to Paris.

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Speaker 4: Wait haven't you already been there?

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Speaker 3: Courtney? Oh, I've actually been looking enough a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: She's suffering from jet lag, right as Ed points it

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Speaker 2: Oh we miss you, Ed.

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Speaker 1: You're keeping close eyes on this court new yar. I'm

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Speaker 1: not you making sure got your back.

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Speaker 3: That's all right.

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Speaker 5: So two suspects in the Louver Crown Jewel highest have

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Speaker 3: That happened using DNA evidence.

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Speaker 5: However, the stolen eighty eight million or so dollars in

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Speaker 5: continuing as well. So last Sunday, if you've been asleep

441
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Speaker 5: for a little bit, last Sunday, four thieves broke into

442
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 5: one of the galleries at the Louver.

443
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 3: This happened in broad daylight.

444
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 5: It was about nine am on a Sunday morning, and

445
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 5: using power tools to drill into display cases and threatening

446
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 5: guards before escaping on scooters. So it was not the

447
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 5: most high tech heist in the world.

448
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: Know when they were very sloppy on the way out

449
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: because they were leaving things left, right and backwards for

450
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Speaker 1: all this DNA to actually catch them by the wait

451
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: one of them was on a plane to Algeria when

452
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: he was really taken off the clowning. Yeah, like literally

453
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: like why are you leaving all of this behind? That

454
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: is not a very clean operation. They actually pulled it off,

455
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: got up on that crane, took the crane back, got

456
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: on scooters, and yet you're leaving behind all of this

457
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: you know, basic stuff right right.

458
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 5: Well, we don't know if there are other partners who

459
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 5: are prepared that they ditched them off to to then

460
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 5: manage what the manipulation of the jewels, whether it's the

461
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 5: you know, burning it down or melting it down rather.

462
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 5: But what these guys lacked in high tech getting in,

463
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 5: they they made up for in knowing that there was

464
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 5: weak security coverage. There were gaps in the CCTV and

465
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 5: misaligned exterior cameras. So this is all of those were

466
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Speaker 5: what allowed the heights to occur.

467
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: And aside, you know, how do you not look at

468
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: that as being slightly an inside job somewhere in the systems.

469
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 5: Yes, and in one's mind will go there exactly right.

470
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 7: I'm the only ones super shocked at there would be

471
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 7: such weak security at this room.

472
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean it's offense if it is to go

473
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: to the loover too. It's like you have to wait

474
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: in that line. It is expensive. You know, these are

475
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: crown jewels that should be guarded, you know, in.

476
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: Such a special way.

477
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: Also, these two guys, again my personal theory, I think

478
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: there's probably two to three others out there that left.

479
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: These guys that take the They were like, lose these two,

480
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: the messy ones.

481
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 3: You know, we got what we needed.

482
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: We're out of here.

483
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: You guys get tickets to go to Algeria or wherever.

484
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: Only one of them and you know, cut cut bait

485
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: and get on with the show.

486
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: I don't know.

487
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: I don't know that they're going to find the other ones.

488
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: In my head, that's George Clooney's part with Brad Pitt

489
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: and the coutting off into this absolutely wearing crowns.

490
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 4: Well, I'm imagining they're being questioned on things and they're

491
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 4: you know, activities being tracked for the last week.

492
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: Were they not wearing masks, they had likes.

493
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 4: Kind of situation.

494
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how scary it would be to be

495
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: on your way back. You have the jewels, they're in

496
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: your possession, You're on the crane.

497
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: It's so slow going down, even.

498
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: Though it's fast, but it looks pretty slow at the

499
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: same time, like you must be losing your mind with

500
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: fear of being caught.

501
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: Then to get on a scooter successfully the.

502
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 5: Scooter is I mean, I said, none of this is funny,

503
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 5: but the scooters give me a bit of a giggle.

504
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 4: The scooters make sense to me because like those streets

505
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 4: are molded, they can go in and out of I'm

506
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: literally thinking of like Jason Bourne, Jason wore Oh my god,

507
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: like Jason Bourne would have percent had a new identity

508
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 4: at this point. Exactly I can see him on.

509
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: A scooter in the streets of Paris, you know, and yeah, exactly, exactly.

510
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: Oh one thing.

511
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 5: So, the security guards at the Loop have been getting

512
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 5: a little slack because what they did was, you know,

513
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 5: run away. However, they were threatened, and the Paris officials

514
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 5: have made it clear that they are absolutely one hundred trained.

515
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 5: If there is any threat to human beings themselves or anyone.

516
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 5: It is the absolute priority to get people out. So

517
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 5: I just I feel a little bit batter.

518
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 7: I think.

519
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 4: I think none of this stuff is worth dying for,

520
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 4: right exactly exactly.

521
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: What are they going to get into a shootout and

522
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: put their lives on the line over you know, a

523
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: crown that's ridiculous.

524
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: No, thank god, everybody's okay.

525
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 5: And there were no casualties, right right, Yeah, So these

526
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 5: two men, they're in their thirties, both with prior jewel

527
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 5: theft conviction stop it.

528
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 7: Yeah.

529
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: And so those the two that were arrested and that followed.

530
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: And jewel thievery. I never heard of this before. I

531
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: think there were the last two in on the conversation.

532
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: They were like this the big scheme. Guys were like,

533
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: and then we're going to get those two silly thieves

534
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: that get caught every time, and we're going to be

535
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: like God, and then we're going to be off into

536
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: the sunset with our new identities tan and living our

537
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: best lives someplace else.

538
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 8: You know.

539
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 4: I mean they had to be they had to be

540
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 4: looked up somehow, to be contacted, right, Like to show

541
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 4: me people who have jewel thieves, convictions or something.

542
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: Maybe they could look at maybe they can look at

543
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: Google searches and see who searchs right.

544
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 5: Well, And the authorities didn't need to look all that

545
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 5: far because these arrested suspects did live behind. They left gloves,

546
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 5: they left a walkie talkie, they left a vest, and

547
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 5: they left a can of gasoline at the crime scene.

548
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: They left the.

549
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: Vest they like, and they were like, I don't where

550
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: all the DNA came from. I don't know all of

551
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: the items left behind.

552
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: In under four.

553
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 5: Minutes, throwing the glove off their hand, poopoo done with this.

554
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 4: Well, I guess the takeaway here is, glove, don't if

555
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 4: you're gonna pull something like this off, don't hire people

556
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: who've already been convicted for it, right exactly. Obviously they

557
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: failed once before at least, and the DNA's in the system,

558
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 4: So that's a takeaway. I'm gonna I don't.

559
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: Think that big of a scheme. Is that small minded?

560
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 4: No, that's true, that's true.

561
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: I'm curious.

562
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm so interested and curious to see how this all

563
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 1: plays out. And to your point, the security teams that

564
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: are working there again, they're getting so much sup and

565
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, everybody lay off. That's right, listen, did he

566
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: is getting a release date. It's officially set for May eighth,

567
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight, and he's allegedly having a little bit

568
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: of a hard time behind bars. He's definitely craving his

569
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 1: transfer to a lower security prison. Some sort of a

570
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: friend of his seems to be saying that he has

571
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: has been attacked behind bars and that he woke up

572
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: to a to a knife.

573
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: To his throat five days ago.

574
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: So listen, it's not an easy road where he is

575
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: right now, and allegedly he wants to be transferred and

576
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: be transferred quick. Obviously we don't want him being harmed

577
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: behind bars, but yeah, it's scary getting attacked, and it

578
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: also must be scary for one of his victims who's

579
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: allegedly been punched in the face, you know, a bajillion

580
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: times and have had their lives threatened. So I feel

581
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: a little divided about this one. But his date has

582
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: been set, and Mark Erragos his not his actual attorney.

583
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: His actual attorney is Tenny Geragos, who is the infamous

584
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: Mark Garragos's daughter follow me here anyway, So Mark Erragos

585
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: is saying that, listen, did he is going to have

586
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: a comeback like no other.

587
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 5: Really hmmm, stranger though I don't know. It feels like

588
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 5: smooth bo looks like mirrors. I think it's a thing

589
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 5: that you say, like that sounds great creazy to show confidence,

590
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 5: right exactly? To show confidence? And who am I?

591
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: Perhaps that is true, but I don't know.

592
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 5: Are you bringing Who's bringing their teenage daughter to his concert?

593
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 5: Who's buying there at the Shawn John line for their

594
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 5: middle school boy? Who's I don't know because time will tell, though.

595
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: I guess time will tell. People have small attention spans,

596
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: and you know, we're covering some stories even tonight with

597
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: some updates that it's like, oh, remind me again when

598
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: it was the biggest case of the time. Right, So

599
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: now fast forward to May twenty twenty eight.

600
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: What will the vibe be by then?

601
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: If Diddy's on his best behavior, he's going to a

602
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: fairly low security prison from here, you know, he'll be

603
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: in good shape.

604
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: He will be clean and.

605
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: Sober, allegedly allegedly allegedly, and maybe off to a new start.

606
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: You know, people are very forgiving and love a comeback.

607
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: It makes me kind of nauseous when I think about it,

608
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: But stranger things really have happened, and there is a

609
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: possibility that he will get pardon. The President Trump has

610
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: that option, and his defense attorneys have made the official request.

611
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: Wow, I'll be surprised if that happens. Actually, you know what,

612
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 3: what will you?

613
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: What am I thinking?

614
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 3: What am I thinking? I will be too, though, I

615
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: will be.

616
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to put my I'm going to put my

617
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: my my sights on happier, higher pastures. And I would

618
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: be really surprised if that happens as well.

619
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be. It'd be shocking a little bit.

620
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: I think as shocking as Gaylaine Maxwell in the Epstein case,

621
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, Jeffrey Epstein's co conspirator, if she is released,

622
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: that too would also.

623
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: Be upsetting and surprising. Mess. Should we go to a talkback?

624
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like I'm bringing all the down

625
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: our subjects. I don't know, is there like a lie

626
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: a topic or a talkback?

627
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: Taha?

628
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, let's go to a talkback. We've got a couple.

629
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 9: My husband ran major hotels in the nation, and I

630
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 9: bring my own blanket, I bring my own pillowcase, and

631
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 9: I always bring plastic bags to stick around the remote

632
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 9: because they never clean those remotes. I never use an

633
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 9: ice bucket because people are known to pee in them.

634
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 9: So never, ever, ever, ever, ever use and ice bucket.

635
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 9: They are disgusting.

636
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 4: Ok, I'm in love.

637
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: By the way, this is per our conversation from last

638
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: night when we were talking about hotel rooms. By the way,

639
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: on Diddy's watch, Remember, the most luxurious hotel rooms imaginable

640
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: were literally put out of order because there were so

641
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: much grossness and like the carpets.

642
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: Would be soaked with like people's stuff.

643
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: I mean, just think about it, so and imagine that's

644
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: the high high, high class ones.

645
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: What about the less class ones? Right?

646
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: So this is a girl after my own heart. Insider

647
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: information there. I like it, the remote control in the bucket,

648
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: in the bucket.

649
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: I work in the hotel industry, as you all know.

650
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 4: I live in Las Vegas, and I work in hospitality

651
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 4: and the work in you know, computers and stuff. And

652
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 4: I have to tell you this doesn't resonate with me

653
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: or very clean like I'm not going to tell you

654
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 4: like the casinos I work for, but there they take

655
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: a lot of pride in in the cleanliness of the

656
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: hotel rooms.

657
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 3: That gives me very It isn't a lot of this

658
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: doesn't track for me.

659
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 4: Now listen, I don't know you know what other hotels

660
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 4: are doing that I can. I can tell you that,

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Speaker 4: you know they it's taken very serious. They take it

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Speaker 4: very seriously.

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Speaker 1: There was a time that I was on the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was on the road at so many different hotels

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Speaker 1: throughout the country, and a pretty i would say, a

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Speaker 1: one to two star maybe it's.

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Speaker 3: A one star hotel chain, but a well known one.

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Speaker 1: And I used to we used to get little like

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Speaker 1: sleeping bags and sleeping as the being bag over the beds.

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Speaker 7: Open the beds so you wouldn't even get in the sheets,

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Speaker 7: or oh.

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Speaker 4: Wow, the ice bucket bothers me because listen, I'm obsessed

673
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Speaker 4: with ice. I have an ice. I can't drink. You

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Speaker 4: have to have ice.

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Speaker 3: You just can't drink anything without ice.

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Speaker 4: When I went to Europe in Malaysia and I would

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Speaker 4: get like the looks because I'd ask for ice.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're like, what are you talking? I use

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Speaker 3: the baggie, the baggie, I.

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Speaker 7: Used that clear plastic bag. Yeah that's what you're supposed

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Speaker 7: to use.

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Speaker 1: But I guess, But think about it, it's a really

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Speaker 1: good point. You're out boozy. The boys are boozing a

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Speaker 1: little too mun and the ice bucket.

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Speaker 7: The bathroom is three feet away.

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Speaker 3: People.

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Speaker 5: You guys have different friends than I do.

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Speaker 1: Listen, again, there was a lot of there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people in and out period the end. So we're

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Speaker 1: adding to the packing scenario. Some plastic bags, throw those in,

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Speaker 1: bring the pillowcase, throw that in and boom, you're off

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Speaker 1: to the races.

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Speaker 3: Great talk back.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the tips.

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Speaker 4: Yes, thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 5: Stephanie's neurosis grows before control.

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Speaker 3: That never occurred to me.

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Speaker 1: I would never use the ice bucket period again, regardless,

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Speaker 1: but the remote control good one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good one.

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Speaker 5: Well listen, this is true Crime tonight. We're on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 5: I'm Courtney here with my buddy Body Movin and the

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00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 5: impeccably clean Stephanie Leidecker, and we are just enjoying some

705
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Speaker 5: tips from a talkback. Thank you very much on hotel friendliness.

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Speaker 5: So give us your tips. Eight at eighty three to

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Speaker 5: one Crime. I wanted to give you an update on

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Speaker 5: Jonathan Rindernickah. So, yeah, he is the man who was

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Speaker 5: arrested for the arson of the deadly Palisades fire. He

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Speaker 5: has pleaded not guilty. His child discussed dueled soon. It's

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Speaker 5: scheduled for December sixteenth, and the twenty nine year old

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Speaker 5: is accused of starting the fire. It happened in January

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Speaker 5: of this year. It feels like it was dog years

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Speaker 5: and I can't imagine for you, Stephanie, even more than that,

715
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Speaker 5: But it was January.

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Speaker 3: Of this year.

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Speaker 5: Twelve people were killed, more than twenty three thousand acres

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Speaker 5: were destroyers destroyed and rendered. It basis federal charges that

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Speaker 5: include destruction of property, arson, affecting property used in interstate commerce,

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Speaker 5: and setting timber afire, with potential prison time up to

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Speaker 5: forty five years.

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Speaker 3: And I'm still not understanding.

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Speaker 5: Why the twelve people who lost their life are not

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Speaker 5: included in the indictment.

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Speaker 2: It's really confusing. I think we should have a legal expert.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Jerik can come on and discuss it, because the

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Speaker 1: fact that they're not being listed, I think is a tell.

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Speaker 1: The fact that it's a federal trial that's being scheduled

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Speaker 1: so quickly. How many trials do we talk about that

730
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Speaker 1: are still out here easier? You know, we're we're we're

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Speaker 1: all looking for information on Tyler Robinson and where's the information,

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Speaker 1: where's the information?

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Speaker 2: Where's the information?

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Speaker 1: Rex Zerman, there's like like very little exactly correct body.

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Speaker 1: So this guy, they're like, oh yeah, he's the one.

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Speaker 1: You know, Arson, as we've learned, is very hard to prove.

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Speaker 1: You know, I am obviously a little personally attached to

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Speaker 1: it and want justice more than most and on behalf

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Speaker 1: of all of the palisades. Everybody deserves answers.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know, is it just also a little political?

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Speaker 1: You know, is is the governor going to run for president?

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Speaker 2: Is this a bad look?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was so destructive and you know, let's

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Speaker 1: let's get the guy.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I hope it is the guy and that there is

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Speaker 1: some justice to be had, but I don't know. They're

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Speaker 1: they're there, they are big amounts of of evidence. Also

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Speaker 1: seems I don't know, it's circumstantial.

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Speaker 7: But I do think we need an expert to come

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Speaker 7: back on or someone we had.

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Speaker 4: That he was great, Yeah, he was great investigator. He

753
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Speaker 4: was really good.

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Speaker 7: He was really interesting, and I think maybe he might

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Speaker 7: have some insight as to why they're going that approach

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Speaker 7: of not going I mean, there are twelve people that died,

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Speaker 7: So it just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 5: To me, right, So it again it's it's happening speedily.

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Speaker 5: There's going to be a status conference on November twelfth,

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Speaker 5: which again is an advance two weeks. Yes, and that

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Speaker 5: is a status conference in advance of the trials supposed

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Speaker 5: to start December sixteenth, which is insane. Mirinder, Nicked will

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Speaker 5: remain in federal custody. In federal custody, a judge has

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Speaker 5: denied his attorney's requests for release, and his defense claims

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Speaker 5: that this is he's being totally unfairly blamed for the fire.

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Speaker 5: They plan to fight aggressively challenged the charges. They argue

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Speaker 5: he has no prior criminal record, no mental health issues,

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Speaker 5: and no history of drug use. Of course it's the

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Speaker 5: defense attorneys per view to do that, but this will

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Speaker 5: be one to watch. And Stephanie, I think it's interesting

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Speaker 5: what you bring up about Governor Newsom and tying this

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Speaker 5: up in need he would be convenient.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Luigi Tyler, like these are the biggest

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Speaker 1: cases and that they're still out there in the ether.

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Speaker 1: There's no dates being said, there's more conversation between attorneys.

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Speaker 1: This guy is going to be in court in a month,

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Speaker 1: literally month and a half max and charged federally.

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Speaker 4: Well, speaking of Luigi, really I have an update on

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Speaker 4: that because he's also being charged federally and we're still

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Speaker 4: waiting a year now, while almost a year it's been.

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Speaker 4: He was arrested in on December ninth, so it's almost

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Speaker 4: been a year. It's been about ten months. So he

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Speaker 4: has a trial in Pennsylvania because he was arrested in

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Speaker 4: Pennsylvania and he was charged for carrying a firearm without

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Speaker 4: a license, forgery, tampering with records, IDs false identification to

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Speaker 4: law enforcement, and possessing instruments of a crime. Well, they're

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Speaker 4: denying him the ability to appear in person and he's

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Speaker 4: refusing to appear remotely, So the judge is ordered that

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Speaker 4: it's on hold right now, like his hearing in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 4: is officially on hold. As a reminder, Luigi is accused

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Speaker 4: of killing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside a Manhattan hotel,

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Speaker 4: which triggered this multi day manhunt from Central Park. Remember

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Speaker 4: that backpack they found in Central Park full of Monopoly money? Yes,

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Speaker 4: all the way to Altoona, Pennsylvania. He faces both state

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Speaker 4: and federal charges including murder, weapons offenses and federal charges

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Speaker 4: that could possibly carry the death penalty. So right now

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Speaker 4: that it's on hold of his Pennsylvania because they really

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Speaker 4: want him to appear in person. I don't know why.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why. I don't know if this is

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Speaker 4: a tactic or if this is you know, for delay purposes,

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Speaker 4: or if he really wants to travel to Pennsylvania to

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Speaker 4: appear in person.

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Speaker 3: An if he does want to travel, is that like

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Speaker 3: does he.

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Speaker 4: Want to escape or something like?

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Speaker 1: Well, no, because everybody thinks he's so handsome. There have

807
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Speaker 1: been like hot Boy Luigi competitions. He's getting more male

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Speaker 1: than celebrities get behind bars. People are obsessed with him.

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Speaker 1: They actually like him and applaud what he's done. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe making a public appearance in his mind or the

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Speaker 1: defense's mind would bring him some favor and by then

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Speaker 1: a way, you know, making an assertion that the Pacific

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Speaker 1: Palisades accused man and Luigi probably the timeline. Even as

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Speaker 1: I'm talking it out with myself, the Palisades guy isn't

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Speaker 1: up for a death penalty trial, so maybe that's slowing

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Speaker 1: the process. But I am just saying, as an in general,

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Speaker 1: this feels real quick.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we got the guy.

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Speaker 1: He was like, started a different fire at a different places,

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Speaker 1: just arrested. He was just arrested, and yep, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: go away, And that to me just seems weird.

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Speaker 4: Although I don't I mean, if we're gonna talk about this,

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Speaker 4: I don't necessarily see the federal government trying to help

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Speaker 4: Gavin Newsom out. Fair that's a fair point, I don't think, right,

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Speaker 4: I just don't see that happening.

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Speaker 5: Yea, And Governor knewsim ps he has come out and

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Speaker 5: publicly said that he confirmed he's considering the twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: eight presidential run.

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Speaker 2: Convenient.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not that this is any big shock, but it

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Speaker 5: is official as of a day ago.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it's not that even if this

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Speaker 1: guy did do it, but I guess this is the fear. Yes,

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Speaker 1: if this guy did do it, okay, let's go, let's

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Speaker 1: have a trial and find out. But there were so

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Speaker 1: many things along the way that were there were no

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Speaker 1: checks and balances. I experienced it firsthand, from there not

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Speaker 1: being water in hydrants and the lack of infrastructure and

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Speaker 1: the lack of preparation. Why was a fire eleven miles

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Speaker 1: away even simmering for that long? Was it not checked

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Speaker 1: out enough where there are enough resources deployed to that,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So I think there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of hands in this one that have affected.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Twelve people died, and why are their names not in

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Speaker 1: the indictment?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 4: Well, as far as Luigi's concerned, the judge ordered that

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Speaker 4: every sixty days, the court must be updated on Luigi's

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Speaker 4: ability to appear. Also, Luigi and his defense have fourteen

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Speaker 4: days to file a formal request to appear in person

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Speaker 4: or reconsider applying or appearing remotely.

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Speaker 3: We will keep you updated on that.

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Speaker 5: And also I have a quick correction for myself regarding

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Speaker 5: the louver. I said that the jewels were alleged to

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Speaker 5: be worth eighty eight million dollars. It's eighty eight million euro.

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Speaker 5: So quick correction, but stick with us. We have the

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Speaker 5: latest in Tyler Robinson, the man charged with killing Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 5: and much more true Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh that was so good. But way where did

881
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: we didn't pay her to say that?

882
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: And by the way, I think we always say that,

883
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, we always are saying like we have to

884
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: talk back and boom, you're on the show, but it's

885
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: not like you're live.

886
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: You know, you can.

887
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 3: Call us live.

888
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: By the way, it's very exciting and we love that too.

889
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: But you could just leave a talkback, think of it.

890
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: Like a little voice memo, and then we'll play it

891
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: on the show. We would all just zip it a

892
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: little bit.

893
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: We'd have more time for the talkbacks, right, So we

894
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: want more talkbacks. And by the way, it's talkback Tuesday tomorrow,

895
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: so we're gonna GM through. I'm gonna zip my lips

896
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: shut and be white mouse. A little mouse.

897
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 4: Tuesday is my favorite because I don't have to do anything,

898
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 4: so I guess had to listen and that's my favorite.

899
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love it.

900
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: We love the top backs. We get such a kick

901
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: out of it. And the dms are great as well.

902
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: H and again calls live that's always fun.

903
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, yeah, no, thank you for that. So I

904
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 4: have an update on Sarah Grace Patrick. Do you guys

905
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 4: remember her?

906
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: Of course, she.

907
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 4: Is the girl accused of fatally shooting her mother and

908
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 4: stepfather back in February. Well, she has plied not guilty

909
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 4: and she's gonna she got a trial date. It's going

910
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 4: to be set for January fifth of twenty twenty sixth.

911
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 4: Wow again Sarah Grace Patrick. She's a teenager from Carl Harlton.

912
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 4: She was arrested on July eighth, and remains in the

913
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 4: Carroll County Jail under isolation for her own safety. She

914
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 4: is charged with multiple counts, including malice and felony murder,

915
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 4: aggravated assault, and possession of a firearm during the commission

916
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: of a felony. Do you guys remember she was the

917
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 4: TikToker and she was reaching out to true crime people

918
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 4: on TikTok saying you should cover my mom and dad's case,

919
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 4: and she would be making videos crying and whatnot. She

920
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 4: wanted people to cover her case. And now she's been

921
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 4: charged with it. It's kind of frightening.

922
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: It's like familial side, right, It's very rare. And you

923
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: know this was also on the heels when we were

924
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: talking a lot about the Menendez brothers and their hope

925
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: for release, which seems far away.

926
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's brutal.

927
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 5: You have to think that whatever whatever led up to.

928
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: This night, it's just very sad.

929
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: It's very sad.

930
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 5: Whatever the circumstances, whatever was happening or not happening in

931
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 5: Sarah Grace Patrick's life, you know, whatever is happening with

932
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 5: her mother and her stepfather. Of course, Sarah Grace Patrick's

933
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 5: I believe around six year old sister who found her

934
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 5: own parents.

935
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 4: That part is so like, if Sarah Grace Patrick is

936
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 4: responsible for this, that's the part to me that is so.

937
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 4: I mean, the whole thing is absolutely tragic, but letting

938
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 4: your little sister be the one to find your mom

939
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 4: and dad is diabolical.

940
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: And they were sleeping at the time, right, So mom

941
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: and stepdad were murdered by her. And to your point,

942
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: she was very theatrical and performative, allegedly allegedly allegedly during

943
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: her tiktoks and the eulogy that she she had.

944
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 2: At mom's funeral.

945
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: You know, but listen, the other side of the family

946
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: has really positive things to say about her, and they

947
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: do are also standing by her. So either, I mean,

948
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: this could be a lot of things, right, is this

949
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: massive mental illness unchecked and at play?

950
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 3: Totally agree with your body.

951
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: The fact that you're setting up your six year old

952
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: sister to find her own mother and stepfather, you know,

953
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: dead in that manner is unthinkable. Was there perhaps something

954
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: else happening behind the scenes in Sarah Grace's life that

955
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: you know, would would lead a young girl, you know

956
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: she's a teenager to do such a thing, or you know,

957
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: many have said it was a cry for popularity and

958
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: fame and all of the tiktoking and you know social

959
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: media stuff.

960
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: Would would maybe you know, would follow that.

961
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: I find that impossible to believe because that just seems

962
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: so so heinous. But I also don't want a victim

963
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: shame any of the family dynamics without having the facts right.

964
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 5: And whatever the facts that the prosecutors did present to

965
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 5: the judge, Judge just Dustin high Tower denied the bond

966
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 5: and it was because of evidence and concerns from the

967
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 5: victim's family and it seemed like they were potentially expressing

968
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 5: fear for their own safety.

969
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I read that.

970
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 3: The stepfather's family, right, Courtney. I believe that's correct.

971
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 4: It's important to know so character witnesses, including family and

972
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 4: a pastor, testified in support of her during the monitoring,

973
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: while members of his family, the stepfather, expressed fear for

974
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 4: their own safety.

975
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: That's scary.

976
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: Alleged allegedly that she did not have a strong relationship

977
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: perhaps with stepdad. Who knows what those dynamics are. Who

978
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: knows what the dynamics are on all sides. Now add

979
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: a young girl's lack of I don't know what are

980
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: your frontal lobes developed at that point? Is solitary confinement

981
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: The answer that also is probably not the best for

982
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: mental health, and certainly murdering your mom and stepdad isn't either.

983
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: So this is a tough one. I think we really

984
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: got to follow it closely.

985
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 3: We will in her.

986
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 4: Like I said, her trial is scheduled to begin on

987
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 4: January fifth, of twenty twenty six, and we've got it

988
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 4: on the calendar, so we will definitely be following.

989
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 5: Up on that one absolutely. I wanted to give you

990
00:52:55,160 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 5: guys an update. If you recall, there was a surrogacy story.

991
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 5: A Los Angeles couple has under FBI investigation for alleged

992
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 5: surrogacy fraud, for child endangerment, and for multiple other legal violations.

993
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 5: This was brought to bear when a woman named Halle Weaver,

994
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 5: who was a surrogate from Georgia, gave birth to a

995
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 5: son who was intended for the couple, and this woman,

996
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 5: Haley Weaver, contracted with Mark Surrogacy, a company the name

997
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 5: of a company to carry a child for the couple

998
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 5: in question, who purportedly misrepresented themselves as.

999
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 3: Just a typical Los Angeles family.

1000
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 5: But the people on trial the authorities discovered that this

1001
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 5: couple had those twenty one children born to different surrogants

1002
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 5: or through very suspicious circumstances, and this prompted an investigation

1003
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 5: into child abuse, financial fraud, and potential surrogacy these scams.

1004
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 5: So the couple, Sylvia who she is in her thirties,

1005
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 5: and the man Guam. They are currently out on bond,

1006
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 5: which is very surprising to me.

1007
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 3: To me, me too, that's very surprising to me.

1008
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 5: But they also have not yet been formally charged. So

1009
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 5: the authorities are continuing with this investigation into the allegations

1010
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 5: of abuse and neglect of all I mean, twenty one

1011
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 5: very young children.

1012
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 4: It's a lot of children and the little uh one

1013
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 4: of the infants was hospitalized for traumatic injuries. So like,

1014
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 4: I'm having a hard time understanding why they're having a

1015
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 4: hard time finding charges, Like I maybe they.

1016
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: Can't go There may not also be any law on

1017
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: this that has really been maybe you know, played out.

1018
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: This might be the first of its kind. Also, like,

1019
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: first of all, what a phacoctamus this is? I know

1020
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: what is going on with these two? First and foremost, like,

1021
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: have some beautiful family, you know, women are you know

1022
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: giving you their children? That is such a intense thing,

1023
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: and what an intense event only to find out that

1024
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: this child that you thought you carried for the betterment

1025
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: of another couple in their growing family. This is real

1026
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: brutal stuff, sensitive stuff. And don't they have a crazy

1027
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: age difference? And I misremembering and she's thirty eight, right,

1028
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: Not that that's any indication, yeah, fun fact, I mean,

1029
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: nothing to prove there in my head.

1030
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 2: The story in my head is that it's in my.

1031
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: Head is that maybe because he's older, not that that's

1032
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: old at all, but that he wants to, you know,

1033
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: leave a seed, you know, behind one he gets. I

1034
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: mean at some point, I don't know what is the

1035
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: actor that we all love on? What's that I'm forgetting

1036
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: his name? How many kids does he have? The host

1037
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: is a mass singer?

1038
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: Oh Cannon?

1039
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: How many kids does Nick Cannon have?

1040
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 4: That's true?

1041
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true. Did you see the Netflix documentary about

1042
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 7: the guy who was had like a thousand kids or

1043
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 7: something crazy?

1044
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 11: Oh?

1045
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: Wasn't he the doctor though, the fertility doctor or something

1046
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: inseminating everybody?

1047
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1048
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 7: No, he was. He was going to every like sperm bank,

1049
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 7: if you will, in the world, and he was Yeah,

1050
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 7: it was really uh, it was crazy. But anyway, but

1051
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 7: there are people out there who want.

1052
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 3: Just thank you.

1053
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: He only has twelve kids, so you know, but he

1054
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: would say like he wants to have a team, right,

1055
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: So wow, I mean Nick can afford them.

1056
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 3: I suppose.

1057
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,479
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm suddenly down a Nick Cannon path,

1058
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: but I always found it interesting at the bare mid

1059
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: I like that one on selling sunset what's.

1060
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: Her name free?

1061
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: So you know, according to her, it all works out fine.

1062
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 1: And you know, what the hell am I to say? Hey,

1063
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: the kids are healthy, do you?

1064
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1065
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 4: These kids were not happy and healthy and no therese

1066
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 4: kids were suffering, suffering.

1067
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1068
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 5: At least fifteen of the children have been removed from

1069
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 5: the home. They've been placed to protective custody, and six

1070
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 5: others were located with family and friends, So it seems

1071
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 5: like all of the children are someplace safe and sound.

1072
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 5: And then, now, speaking of one of you, I believe

1073
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 5: it was Stephanie, mentioned there might not even be sort

1074
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 5: of legal groundwork for this well. Two additional surrogates were

1075
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 5: reportedly carrying children for the couple at the time of

1076
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 5: the suspicious circumstances came to light, and now there's further

1077
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 5: legal complications on top of the FBI investigation.

1078
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: Right, so they don't want to hand over their their

1079
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: new unborn child to this mess of a situation.

1080
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 4: That would be twenty three kids now, right.

1081
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: We need a therapist to unpack this. This is this

1082
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:57,479
Speaker 3: is like.

1083
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 4: Some really weird like the boarding of you know, like

1084
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 4: some people hoard cats because they think they're saving the cats, right,

1085
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 4: and they horn cats.

1086
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 3: It's just like warning children or something.

1087
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: I don't know to what end? What was the identical here?

1088
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: Was there financial gain to be had in any of this?

1089
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: Were they play?

1090
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 4: That's what we thought initially.

1091
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: Remember we were looking at the LLC that they created this, right,

1092
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: so has that weird LLC?

1093
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's.

1094
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 5: A front, is what it's being called for, a circus

1095
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 5: case steam. But then the couple also faces separate civil

1096
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 5: lawsuits that include claims of wage theft, wrongful termination, and

1097
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 5: assault from a former employee. And that's regarding their real

1098
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 5: estate company, Yado Investments. So this is a lot too

1099
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Speaker 5: untangle is certainly we will keep you updated on it.

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Speaker 3: It's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's such a sensitive thing though, you know, people try

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00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: so hard they want to have children in fertility is

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00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: such a real thing. It is for so many and boy,

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00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: this is really playing on people's emotions. And you know,

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00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: the hopes of growing a family for someone is really

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00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: selfless to be a.

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00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, as somebody who had fertility, well who has fertility issues.

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00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 4: You know, I was pretty at one point desperate and

1109
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 4: I might have done something like this, you know, not this,

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00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 4: but I mean that, you know you you want to

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00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 4: have children, and you know, I think I would have

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00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 4: been a really good mom and I really wanted to be.

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00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 4: And you know, I just I just feel like people

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00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 4: like this are you know, gross, and I just.

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00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 7: Don't like it.

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Speaker 2: I agree, by the way, you still can you be

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00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: a great mom?

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00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 3: I would?

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00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: You are a great mom to p I have two

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00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: beautiful nieces that I love very much, So that's all

1121
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: I need. Maybe you can get maybe you can adopt

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00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: a child, and I can adopt a puppy and.

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Speaker 4: So stuff.

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Speaker 3: Not to make light of something so serious, but Tyler

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Speaker 3: Robinson update.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we only got a couple of minutes. But do

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Speaker 4: we have a quick one?

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Speaker 5: Mm?

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01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 9: Hm?

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Speaker 1: Well the type first of all, yeah, Court, do you

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01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: have the Tyler Robinson update?

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01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 5: Well, Utah judge has ruled and that on October twenty

1133
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 5: seventh that Tyler Robinson, the man who's charged with killing

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01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 5: conservative influencer Charlie Kirk, that he now can wear civilian

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01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 5: clothes during the pre trial hearings. So that's what it was,

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01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 5: back and forth between the lawyers. But on the one hand,

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Speaker 5: he can wear civilian clothes, however he must remain restrained.

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Speaker 4: Interesting.

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01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 7: So I heard about that, and I've been dying to ask,

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01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 7: maybe the three of you might know, why would that

1141
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 7: be so important to wear civilian clothes.

1142
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 4: Because you don't want to look guilty and convicted of something.

1143
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 2: You look like you're a jailbird.

1144
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: You know, you look as such you're already guilty of something.

1145
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: Optics is such a big part of a court case.

1146
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: And you know, we saw this with Diddy. He saw

1147
01:00:58,120 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: this in the pike did massacre. That was such a

1148
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: big thing. People coming in in shackles. You could hear

1149
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: the shackles down the hallway.

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01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 3: It has a.

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: This is what Luigi Mangioni is upset about that he

1152
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: was doing a purp walk when he hadn't been convicted

1153
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: in you know, the the outfit and the shackles, and

1154
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: you know that implies guilty and the optics can sometimes

1155
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: be very real, so.

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 4: It just gives the impression of guilt before conviction. And

1157
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 4: most people will wear civilian clothes, you know, clothing pre trial.

1158
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 4: But most people are also shackled, but they their hands

1159
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 4: under the desk or you know whatnot.

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01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 7: Something right right?

1161
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 3: Got it jumpsuit?

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01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is reasonable, it is reasonable. Well, it's almost Halloween.

1163
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 4: So this week we are sharing some of the scariest

1164
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 4: true crime stories we've heard. Tonight, We've got one one

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01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 4: so frightening it influenced Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: Keep it right here, Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: To true Crime tonight on iHeart Radio. We're talking true

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01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney Armstrong,

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01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: Body Move In and Taha, Adam and Sam.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, Halloween week is upon us.

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01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: Hopefully you've you've considered what your costume will be and

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01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: that you've gotten some candy for the kids. Don't be

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01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: the house that doesn't have candy or gives out looking candy.

1174
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: Let's get ahead of this because body, you're raising your

1175
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: hand right now, you.

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01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 4: Have to candy.

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01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 2: You can't be that house that's like gad candy karma.

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01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 4: Well, the kids. First of all, they don't go trick

1179
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 4: or treating anymore. They do trunk or treating and they

1180
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 4: go to they don't come to the house. And Yogi,

1181
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 4: he's so crazy and he knocked at the door. He's

1182
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 4: gonna lose his mind. So I'm literally the house with

1183
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 4: all the lights off the house. Don't loock on her house.

1184
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 3: That's a little pot.

1185
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 2: Outside or something with some candy in it for.

1186
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 3: You don't come. I'm telling the kids don't come.

1187
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 4: The neighborhood kids don't come to the houses.

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01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 3: They don't.

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01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: Goodness well, because you always have the lights off and

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01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: no candy there. You've trained them, You've trained You're onto

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01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: something because I have rediscovered the miniature Reese's peanut butter cups,

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01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: so so oh, I.

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01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 5: Forget how much I love a Nestley crunch until this

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01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 5: timing year.

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01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 3: The text, Yes, I'm getting the big.

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Speaker 2: Speaking out all day.

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01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 3: Hey days, there's gonna be the peanuts.

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Speaker 4: I love those.

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Speaker 7: Days.

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Speaker 2: Really, you like a may Day?

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01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 4: You know what? My favorite, though is Almond Joys. And

1202
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 4: we just said that.

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01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 7: I enjoy Courtney. I both disagree, right, Cilantro.

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01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: It's very divisive of Halloween week. And again, if you

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01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: haven't had any costumes. You know, we can give you

1206
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: some suggestions, or Frankie, I should take the suggestions. Not

1207
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: always terrible, always historically horrible, but has going to be.

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01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 3: A big debut, done, done, done.

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01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: I feel like we need some walk on music.

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Speaker 1: Is going to tell us a very scary Halloween tale

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Speaker 1: that he's been keeping to himself under under lock in

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01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: Halloween key.

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01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: Oh are you ready?

1214
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: Written read back from commercial? He was wearing a scary mask,

1215
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: scary Hannibal Lecter mask, scary Taha.

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Speaker 7: We all just to get everyone, get everyone in the

1217
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 7: you know, in the spirit, in the mood. But okay,

1218
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 7: so speaking, this is a true story, So this is

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01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 7: kind of it's really creepy and scary. But sit back, Okay,

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Speaker 7: I'm going to give you a little headline synopsis. First

1221
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 7: of all, it's one of California's most chilling unsolved murders.

1222
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 7: It's a real life cabin in the woods nightmare. On

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01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 7: April eleventh, nineteen eighty one, four people, three of them

1224
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 7: were from the same family. They were killed inside of

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01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 7: Cabin twenty eight at the Ketty Resort, which is deep

1226
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 7: in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. So I had to look

1227
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 7: that up. That's in California. For those who don't know,

1228
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 7: the scene was gruesome, multiple weapons buying and signs of rage.

1229
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 7: Twelve year old Tina Sharp vanished that night. Her remains

1230
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 7: wouldn't be found for three years miles away in another forest,

1231
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 7: and decades later, the case remains open, remains open, and

1232
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 7: the story of that Cabin twenty eight has become a legend,

1233
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 7: part true but part ghost story. I know this one,

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01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 7: you do, Okay, Well, some people might know it because

1235
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 7: there was a film that they based off of this

1236
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 7: true case. There was a film from twenty seventeen called

1237
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 7: the Cabin called Cabin twenty eight, and then there was

1238
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 7: another one called The Strangers in Tights.

1239
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 4: That is the scariest movie. And that's how I know

1240
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 4: this one is The Strangers. It's lived time and fantastic

1241
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 4: in it. It's scary, really scary.

1242
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, don't watch it alone. And maybe in the daytime

1243
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 7: here was someone else. I don't know.

1244
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 4: I don't know the ghost elements. So I'm I'm literally

1245
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 4: sad for the story to.

1246
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 7: Hawky, Okay, all right, here we go. Let me tell

1247
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 7: you so the Sharp family they had moved to Ketty California.

1248
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 7: It was a quiet mountain town. It was like surrounded

1249
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 7: by pine trees and old cabins. They were basically hoping

1250
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 7: for a fresh start, really nice, you know this how

1251
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 7: things would start off well. On the night of April eleventh,

1252
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 7: nineteen eighty one, Sue Sharpened, her children, and a friend

1253
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 7: were inside the cabin. And this is inside a cabin

1254
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 7: twenty eighty at a resort. At some point during the night,

1255
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 7: at least two intruders entered the cabin. No one outside

1256
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 7: heard screams or a sign of a struggle. Well, the

1257
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 7: next morning, their fourteen year old, the fourteen year old

1258
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 7: Sheila sharp She came home from a sleepover and discovered

1259
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 7: the horror inside her mother. Sue, her brother John, and

1260
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 7: his friend Dana Wingate had all been beaten, stead and

1261
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 7: tied with electrical cords and medical tape. So it's a

1262
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 7: really horrific story. The cabin's phone cords were rip from

1263
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 7: the walls, the lights were still on, but the killers

1264
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 7: were gone. But in a nearby bedroom, three young boys,

1265
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 7: two of son's sons, and a friend were found asleeppletely unharmed.

1266
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 7: One knows, but no one knows why they were there

1267
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 7: were spared like they.

1268
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: Were in the house. They were in the cabin.

1269
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 7: In the same cabin, but their lives were spared. So

1270
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 7: maybe whoever this person was took pity on children. But

1271
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 7: we don't know the details of that because to this day,

1272
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 7: the person behind this has not been caught. Well, twelve

1273
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 7: year old Tina Sharp was missing, and despite an intensive

1274
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 7: search of the woods, she was never found. Three years later,

1275
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 7: there was like an anonymous man that called the Sheriff's

1276
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 7: office and asked, I wonder if the remains found at

1277
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 7: Camp eighteen belonged to Tina Sharp. That caller he was

1278
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 7: never identified, but the remains were hers. So that weird

1279
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 7: caller made that sort of call, they found the body.

1280
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 7: I don't know why they couldn't trace back and figure

1281
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:49,919
Speaker 7: out who.

1282
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 3: That person was.

1283
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 7: But anyway, well that part.

1284
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 3: Is nineteen eighty that's true.

1285
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 7: Very good point. Yeah, so to this day they still

1286
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 7: don't know what happened. I'm going to kind of zip

1287
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 7: along a little bit. But over the years, crucial evidence

1288
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 7: went missing, a lot of the files were lost, the

1289
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 7: statements were destroyed, and the investigation was sort of riddled

1290
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 7: with a lot of gaps. So the mystery continued for years.

1291
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 7: In twenty sixteen, they did find a hammer that matched

1292
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 7: one of the missing ones from the cabin that was

1293
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 7: founded in a nearby pool up nearby pond, and later

1294
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 7: some DNA found from the binding tapes that reportedly it

1295
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 7: matched a living suspect, but no arrests were made. So

1296
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 7: we're just going to kind of move forward a little

1297
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 7: bit to the two thousands. That area Keddy has become

1298
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 7: a ghost town. Cabin twenty eight was demolished in twenty

1299
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 7: twenty four, but people still say it feels cold and

1300
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 7: unnerving when you're there, and there have been reports that

1301
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 7: people have said you can hear footsteps, whispers, and children's

1302
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 7: laughter in the woods where the cabin once stood, like

1303
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 7: a lot of people actually hear weird.

1304
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 4: I think there's probably a lot of ghost hunters and

1305
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 4: what not to go there.

1306
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 7: A lot of them go to that area, so it's

1307
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,759
Speaker 7: a popular one. So this this story, you know, stood

1308
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 7: out to me when I first heard it. But it's

1309
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 7: haunting and frightening. But as I mentioned, in twenty seventeen,

1310
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 7: they made a film Having twenty eight and it was

1311
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 7: direct was based directly on this and it was almost

1312
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 7: shot scene for scene based on what happened, So that.

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Speaker 2: Went out interesting that so there was nobody in the area.

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Speaker 1: Could it have been you know, some pretend maybe pretend

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Speaker 1: law enforcement that went to the door and was like knock, knock,

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01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: pretend police are here, And then you know that's why

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01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 1: the door was opened so easily, and you know, maybe

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01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: they were smart enough to clean up a little bit

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01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: but also leave it like a very scary scene that

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01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: would throw it off their tail.

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01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 7: I got a good think of.

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01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 3: That DNL they found. I didn't know about that.

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01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 4: The d they found some tape.

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Speaker 7: This was in June, so this is June of this.

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01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 3: So this is really red.

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01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: You have to get CC on it. NA Queen of

1327
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: DNA that she's fine. She was, but so but did

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01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: they name who the suspect was?

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01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 7: No, that's part of it. They said that they found

1330
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 7: DNA evidence. The medical tape was found, but there's not.

1331
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 7: It didn't match to a living suspect, so it really didn't.

1332
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 7: It has not. Yeah, so it's reigniting the case. So

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01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 7: a lot of people are back into it because of

1334
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 7: this recent DNA update. So again this week, say this

1335
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 7: a lot. DNA is really bringing a lot of cold

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01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 7: cases to life again. So wait, this is one what

1337
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 7: did I say something wrong?

1338
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 4: Says there is a living suspect. Oh yeah, yeah, jus

1339
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 4: breaking news the new DNA evidence found on medical tape

1340
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 4: from the Kenny Cabin crime scene was reportedly matched to

1341
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 4: a living suspect. Now this is June.

1342
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 3: You're still kind of sus it out.

1343
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 7: But they don't have they don't have a suspect in

1344
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 7: anyone right now.

1345
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 4: So I think we have a name, right, they name

1346
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:08,719
Speaker 4: the person right?

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01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 2: Wow?

1348
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 3: Maybe?

1349
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 4: Oh you know what, They're probably going to do some

1350
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 4: voice analysis too, to determine if the caller or remember

1351
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 4: somebody called with the right right right, check for the

1352
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 4: remains of Cavin eighteen the.

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01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 3: Wheels turning body already.

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01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, some voice analysis to determine if the living suspect

1355
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 4: is the caller.

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01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that even from the seventies and

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01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: eighties or even the sixties, that they hold on to

1358
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: all of this stuff, and when we see this pretty

1359
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: often that suddenly there's just like this paper box and

1360
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,839
Speaker 1: it has like key information in it from a thousand

1361
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: years ago. You know, hats off that law enforcements able

1362
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: to go back that far in time.

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01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 3: Didn't they have, didn't they suspect the neighbors or something.

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01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 7: At one point, You're right, there was something with the neighbors.

1365
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 7: Their neighbors, Martin Smart and John I think it's Bobadie.

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01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 7: They became prime suspects. Smart later told a counselor he said,

1367
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 7: I killed Sue and her daughter. But the confession weirdly

1368
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 7: went nowhere, and neither man was charged. So again a

1369
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 7: peculiar mystery and everything that took place with it. But

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01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 7: but you're right, good memorybody, you definitely know the story.

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01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 4: And then the daughter that survived. The daughter that survived,

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01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 4: she was staying at a neighbor's home overnight, right, and

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01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 4: she comes home to this grizzly scene.

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Speaker 3: This poor girl horrible. I've always thought about.

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01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 2: What happened to her.

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01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure, but telling you guys good.

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01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 4: A very good scary movie is Strangers. It came out

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01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight, I think two thousand and nine,

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01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 4: so it's from that era, you know of like teen

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01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 4: scary kind of scream and whatnot, So it has that

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01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 4: feel to it.

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01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 2: It is very scary.

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01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 7: I might like to my list. I like a good

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01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 7: horror movie.

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01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 4: But it's one of those scary movies that's like real like,

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01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 4: so it makes it ultra scary. It's not like it's

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01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 4: not like demons or ghosts or that. That's a real,

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01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 4: real people doing really bad things. So it makes it

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01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 4: like extra scary.

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01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 7: Extra scary. I wouldn't what's your favorite scary movies since

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01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 7: we're talking scary movies.

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01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh, probably The Ring. I'm so scared. Ring

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01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 4: scares one scary.

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01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 3: Step.

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01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 7: I want to hear you well.

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01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 5: I actually was about to put Sam and Adam on

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01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 5: the spot that let's do.

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01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 3: It feels fun in this moment.

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01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 7: I know they have a good horror movie.

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01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 3: Will I try?

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01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 7: And okay, think about it. YouTube stuff.

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01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 3: We'll buy you some time. I'm not I'm not a

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01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 3: big scary movie person.

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01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 10: Uh.

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01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 3: I don't know. They just freaked me out. But I

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01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 3: do like David Lynch a lot, the director do.

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01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 6: I think those movies are pretty scary in their own way.

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01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 6: I like, uh like Lost Highway David, that one, it's

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01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 6: really good. There's a lot of like there's like the

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01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 6: camera just slowly turns into a dark corner and there's

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01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 6: just and then like no, you know, spoiler alert, But

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01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 6: like nothing really pops out at you or happens. You're

1413
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 6: just looking into darkness a lot of the time, and

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01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 6: that's pretty freaking.

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01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 3: That kind of stuff freaks me out.

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01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just does.

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01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 3: And then it's also just very bizarre and.

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01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 7: Right right, yeah, I went, now, what's your Sam?

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01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 2: Sam?

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 11: Probably The Shining probably my favorite, and I swear the

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01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 11: scariest movie I think is still the original Texas Chainsaw

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01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 11: Mask a real and I just remember when I was

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01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 11: first watching it, just like the end where that one

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01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 11: girl is just screaming, and then my parents walking like

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01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 11: were you watching and I'm like, I don't know, I'm

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01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 11: just waiting for.

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01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 3: All.

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01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 7: Right, now you've had.

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01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 3: There's a see. I saw so many way too young.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking I'm five, I'm six, I'm seven years old.

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01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,799
Speaker 5: And I actually became all of this on my sister Aaron,

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01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 5: who was eight year is older than I am, and

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01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 5: she she'd take care she you know, I was she

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01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 5: had to take care of me basically, just hold my

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01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 5: mom was at work. She was my guardian fun. Then

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01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 5: she would have fun. So we'd be watching freaking polter Geist.

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01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 5: I'm five years old. Cut to I'm maybe eight years old.

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01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 5: Her and her friend are bored, putting on no joking around,

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01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 5: panty hose on their face, and like.

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01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 3: Holding a chasing me around the house. So I'm kind

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 3: of scared of everything.

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01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 4: I used to do that to my brother.

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01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,719
Speaker 3: Yeah you did, because you're older.

1444
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 4: I'm the oldest.

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01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 3: I would so mean so many my hands.

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01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 4: I would put fingernail polish on my hands and then

1447
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 4: set them on fire and chase.

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01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 7: Him on fire.

1449
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 3: He broke his collarbone.

1450
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 4: Because of me, because running away from you with my

1451
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 4: hands I was. I tortured my poor brother. Oh literally,

1452
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.

1453
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 2: My brother's tortured me too.

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01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: I only have older brothers, and they would like take

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01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: me to scary movies totally freak me out at the

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01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: young age, imaginable, and then they would like put me

1457
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: in a room and then one of them would like

1458
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: go out in the backyard and like run by the

1459
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 1: window at night like you're a d And then.

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01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 3: The pantyhose and the head thing that was real.

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01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 2: You know, just thinking about it right now makes me

1462
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 2: kind of nauseous.

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01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 7: You remember which movie they took you to that.

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01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: Scharedule, Oh yeah, it was the same with Courtney and

1465
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: I apparently lived in the same block because it was

1466
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, it was the poulterguy's.

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01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 3: Days all of us when we were little.

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01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: Was terrifying, like with the hands on the TV, but

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01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: also even the prompt Carol, all the you know, all

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01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: the Halloweens. Yeah, I love my you know my dear

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Speaker 1: jud Degree in the even recent Halloween.

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Speaker 2: Recommended if you haven't seen it.

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01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 1: I like to go to a scary movie in the

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01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: theater with friends because then it seems a little more

1475
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: ridiculous and people can.

1476
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 3: Like scream agal and it seemed not so scary.

1477
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: I could never watch it by myself, or I don't

1478
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: even like the idea of watching it with someone on

1479
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: the television in a dark house.

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01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 4: I'll never go to sleep.

1481
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 7: Mine is the Exorcist to this.

1482
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 3: Oh oh it's horrible. I saw that that was a scary.

1483
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 2: Oh in Silence of the Lambs.

1484
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if that falls into the scary movie category.

1485
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 2: But nothing, I think we work and try.

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01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: That changed my DNA, Like there was something so scary

1487
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: about that that I don't even like discussing it.

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01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 3: That's so scary I find it.

1489
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, we want to hear your tips too, if you

1490
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: have any any stories to share eight eight eight three

1491
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: one crime.

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01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely love it. I saw I saw Exorcise when

1493
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 4: I was a little It traumatized me for the rest

1494
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 4: of my life. Stick stick around. We've got more to

1495
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 4: dig into. Talk back Tuesday tomorrow, but we've got a

1496
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 4: sneak peek coming up next. Keep it right here, a

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01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 4: true friend tonight.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We've been

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01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: talking true crime all the time. I'm staff here with

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Speaker 1: Courtney and body Ta. You did a fantastic job. A

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01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: little applause from laws audience and say it loud to

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01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: the back of the room. Question, but you told a

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01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: very scary story and to ask you, yes, I mean

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01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 1: and again listen, we want to go to some walk backs.

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01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 1: But I'm curious, Tah, do you have a Halloween costume

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01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:23,679
Speaker 1: in mind?

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01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 7: Funny you should ask, because even though I showed you

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01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 7: that mask today, each day I'm going to show you

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01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 7: one of my costumes that I've worn through the past,

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01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 7: and I'm going to lead up to the one I'm

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01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 7: going to wear Stopriday night, Halloweener.

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01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 3: You love it, I.

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01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 7: Mean, I also live in West Hollywood, so we're kind of.

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01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 3: Don't you know how to do it correctly. You're not

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01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 3: dressed like I'm going to be a fifties girl and

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01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 3: wear I'm a hobo. Yes, so terrible.

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01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 7: So I'm going to leave that for you to judge

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01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 7: and tell me what you think of my costume that

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01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 7: I'm going to wear.

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01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 4: So I love it.

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01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: Well. I did not like the mask.

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01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 1: I thought it was very scary and very startling and

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01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: covering your perfect face seeing unnecessary.

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01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 7: So let that smile going to get scary each night.

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01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 3: So I loved it.

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01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 5: If you guys, remember I told you a while ago,

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01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 5: my mom is a funny quote funny trick put the

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01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 5: Hannibal Lecter being on the front of Time magazine on

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01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 5: my bed.

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01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 3: So that's when I pulled back the covers. I saw

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01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 3: annimal elector face in my bed and were in the

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01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 3: best way. I wouldn't for the world.

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Speaker 1: But boy, what's the benefit of having a younger sister

1534
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 1: if you can't portray get them up?

1535
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 4: The benefit of being the older sister for me was

1536
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 4: the torture my brother.

1537
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:41,839
Speaker 3: You know, I haven't had that luxury.

1538
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 5: If you lit your fingernails on fire, your fingers with

1539
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 5: a fingernail polish remover, because it's flammable.

1540
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: Wait, don't that is not a tip that we should

1541
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: be sharing. Tempted to like try that on my own

1542
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: and you know what would happen? That would wow?

1543
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 4: Like literally did you.

1544
01:19:58,400 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 2: Ever get an injury from that?

1545
01:19:59,800 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 3: No?

1546
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 4: Oh, but my brother did.

1547
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 3: Running away from me.

1548
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 7: I'm so jealous of this because I'm an only child

1549
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 7: and I can't imagine how much fun it sounds like

1550
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:12,759
Speaker 7: a fun time.

1551
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 4: That we were on Ferrel. We were literally Ferreal's.

1552
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,839
Speaker 3: Gen x right, like my mom worked.

1553
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 4: I was babysitting my brother, like six years old, and so,

1554
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 4: oh the worst things?

1555
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 3: Do you guys?

1556
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 4: Can we talk about this real quick?

1557
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 3: Of course?

1558
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 4: I am god, I'm such a bad sister, Eric, I'm

1559
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:33,520
Speaker 4: so sorry.

1560
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 3: Back in the day, we had.

1561
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 4: The rotary phones right well, back in the day in Michigan,

1562
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 4: at least in Detroit, you could make your phone ring

1563
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 4: by calling your number and hanging up twice with on

1564
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 4: the dial, So you would dial your number, hang up twice,

1565
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 4: and then your phone would ring. So I'm babysitting my brother,

1566
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know, I think I'm six or seven.

1567
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 4: My mom is at work, and I'm like, I'm gonna

1568
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 4: play a trick on my brother. So I made the

1569
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 4: phone ring, I answer it. Hello, Oh oh my gosh, okay,

1570
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 4: thank you, and I hang up right and my propose

1571
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 4: what's wrong?

1572
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 3: My brothers like, okay, what's wrong? What happened?

1573
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 4: And I hang out Mom is dead? Oh my gosh,

1574
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,799
Speaker 4: and he just starts crying. My poor brother, oh.

1575
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 2: So happy to see her when she wasn't.

1576
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 4: So a little surprised by my poor brother is crying

1577
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 4: and hysterics. And I'm like, you know, thinking that he

1578
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna believe me. I don't know what, dude the worst?

1579
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 4: So my mom comes home obviously she was a waitress

1580
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 4: at a truck stop. Got yer. She comes home and.

1581
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 3: He's like, Deana told me dead, And I'm like he's lying, and.

1582
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 4: I, oh, Eric, I'm so work out for Eric?

1583
01:21:59,000 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 3: Is Eric?

1584
01:21:59,320 --> 01:21:59,759
Speaker 2: Okay?

1585
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know.

1586
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you call us?

1587
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 2: We're curious what we're doing?

1588
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 6: Yea?

1589
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 3: What is it called safety checket?

1590
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 4: Oh gosh.

1591
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 2: But that's probably why I don't love Halloween.

1592
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: I feel like I was the brunt of the I

1593
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: was a brunt of a lot of scams and scandals

1594
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: and tricks, and you know, like I still get scared

1595
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 1: when I turn around the corner. Sometimes, you know, if

1596
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: I know, even if I don't know, I'm an easy

1597
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: one to make.

1598
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 7: I think it's fun that that's the fun of it.

1599
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 7: Like this, I like to just get a little scared

1600
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 7: and then later laugh at it. I mean, in the moment, yeah,

1601
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 7: your heart starts.

1602
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 4: EAT's like you feel alive. Your heart is saying like

1603
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 4: you're anticipating something, and then okay, okay, I'm good.

1604
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 9: You know.

1605
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 2: That's why I can't scream.

1606
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: I had I had throat surgery a thousand years ago,

1607
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: and I was like nineteen, and I my vocal cords.

1608
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 2: I can't scream.

1609
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: So for me, if someone like tries to make me

1610
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: go be scared, like ah, it's so fine.

1611
01:22:59,040 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 7: It's not scream.

1612
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 2: It's like.

1613
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 3: Like Joseph Coter, It's like h.

1614
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 7: And I'm embarrassed to say that. I'm on the flip side,

1615
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 7: like I scream like a teenage girl when I scream

1616
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 7: at the top of my lugs.

1617
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 3: So it's a real gift. My scream is so loud.

1618
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 5: When I went uh skydiving, which happened one time, the

1619
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 5: guy said he's like some people can be heard from

1620
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 5: the ground as we jump out of the mine, and

1621
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,879
Speaker 5: I think you are one of them. My stream is loud.

1622
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: It takes very impossible even to imagine. Your scream is

1623
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: so loud.

1624
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 3: It's so skydiving.

1625
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 12: Yeah, something scary, nothing scarier than weird.

1626
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 4: Do you guys go to Do you guys go to

1627
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 4: haunted houses?

1628
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I hate love it?

1629
01:23:58,200 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 4: You do love it? Courtney? Do you go?

1630
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, And I'm a very.

1631
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 4: Love to go to not scary farm.

1632
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 3: They jump at you.

1633
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: It's like people scaring you.

1634
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 7: Queen Mary joke, what's Queen Mary?

1635
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Mary, Oh my god Mary.

1636
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:20,679
Speaker 2: The Haunted Ship.

1637
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 7: Oh, I didn't know they made it haunted. Yeah, I

1638
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 7: didn't know. They turned it into a Haunted Events.

1639
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a big deal.

1640
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 5: No, you should really look into it. It's a big

1641
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 5: It's a Hollywood production. It's so so scary, it is

1642
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 5: so scary.

1643
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 8: Another company was spond you know speaking Yeah, yeah, I sponsors, right,

1644
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 8: we need to we need to go back and do

1645
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 8: a lab.

1646
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: And that's like should be sponsoring us with our true

1647
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: crime and chill.

1648
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 3: That's for sure. I want some under cream. I'll talk

1649
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 3: about it every day, just like.

1650
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 1: In my neighborhood where I grew up. There was a cemetery,

1651
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: a little a small, ancient, little cemetery. It was a

1652
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: native of American, very small. Some of the headstones didn't

1653
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: even have names on it. Scary just thinking about it.

1654
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: And then my brothers used to tell the story. I

1655
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 1: don't know if this is true.

1656
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 8: I have to fact check, but it stuck with me

1657
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 8: and I feel it to be true that there was

1658
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 8: a ghost from the cemetery named Mary, and they would

1659
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 8: go to Mary's grave, probably in high school, like they

1660
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,560
Speaker 8: would go to Mary's grave and it was like this infamous,

1661
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 8: scary place because apparently Mary haunts it because somebody captured

1662
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 8: her and they put her in a noose and then

1663
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 8: she was put on a block of ice.

1664
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 3: Mary.

1665
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 2: That's a horrible taunting.

1666
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 7: Thought, right, that's awful.

1667
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:47,799
Speaker 2: Until I got for Halloween.

1668
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, it set into it. I like the.

1669
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 4: Candidate, yea terrible yeah, no, wonder you're.

1670
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 3: Scared of I think that's comments of Richard. I think.

1671
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 2: This might have been my brothers.

1672
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 1: But and by the way, anybody from stage to myigh school,

1673
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: if this is an accurate story, please let us please

1674
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: call Mary's grave.

1675
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 3: Though I like it.

1676
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let's try to let's try to reset here.

1677
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 4: This is true Crime tonight on nine Heart Radio. We're

1678
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 4: talking true crime all the time. Give us a call

1679
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 4: eighty eight thirty one Crime or leave us a talk back.

1680
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 4: Let's do a talk back right now. A.

1681
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 13: Hi, this is Julie again. I was just listening to

1682
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 13: the latest episode of the Idaho Massacre, the story of

1683
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 13: Steven and Olivia, and it brought me such joy that

1684
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 13: something so good came.

1685
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:35,719
Speaker 3: Out of what happened.

1686
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 13: However, Stephen mentioned that his sisters have lost friends because

1687
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 13: the friend's parents don't want them to associate with his

1688
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 13: sisters because of everything had happened.

1689
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 3: And that made me profoundly sad.

1690
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 13: I think that's really terrible.

1691
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 7: What are your thoughts?

1692
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, really really sad.

1693
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 4: We Yeah, the ripple effect, right, not only did they

1694
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 4: lose their sisters, you know, the Consales family has been

1695
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 4: really outspoken, right, They've kind of been the public face

1696
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 4: for this horrible crime. You know, she's talking about the

1697
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 4: victims of the Idaho for the student murderers, Kaylee Gonsalves,

1698
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 4: Madison Mogan, Sana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. They were murdered

1699
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 4: by PhD student in Washington Brian Coberger, who is now

1700
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 4: serving four consecutive life sentences in the state of Idaho.

1701
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 4: Just a quick recap for those who aren't familiar, and

1702
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 4: the Gonsalvest family. You know, there's four families that are affected.

1703
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 4: The Gonsalvest family have been the most outspoken, right, wouldn't

1704
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 4: you guys say? They've kind of been the public face

1705
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 4: of this. And I can see, you know, they've got

1706
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 4: you know, uh, they have five kids. Kaylee was like

1707
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,879
Speaker 4: the middle and you know, she's got two younger sisters

1708
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 4: that you know, are still in high school and now

1709
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 4: just going off to college for the first So I

1710
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 4: can see parents of those two young girls their friends

1711
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 4: being like, you know what, I don't really want you

1712
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 4: over there because like news cameras are there, and I mean,

1713
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 4: you know, this was a massive, massive crime, and you know,

1714
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 4: these poor, poor, all these families were just constiling.

1715
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, just day after day.

1716
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 4: You know, we talk about the ripple effect.

1717
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 3: I never even thought about that, the using friends.

1718
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: It was a very profound part of that interview. Also,

1719
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about this on the documentary we made,

1720
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: The Idaho Student Murders. Please check it out on Peacock

1721
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: If you haven't had a chance to.

1722
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,759
Speaker 3: That was sort of what brought these two together.

1723
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 1: So Olivia, isn't that crazy, you know, Gonzo offense, you

1724
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: will match maker refer to it. I'd like to say

1725
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: I take full credit, but I think director Catherine Park

1726
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 1: it's the credit, and Alison Finston, who were as podcast,

1727
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 1: she's really the matchmaker initially. But yeah, the shoot brought

1728
01:28:55,560 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 1: them together. He was, you know, he was so sad, broken,

1729
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 1: and you know you could kind of feel it when

1730
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: you even watch the dock. You know, it was still

1731
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: so so raw. So then to hear him now at

1732
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: the at the other side of it, you never really

1733
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: get to the other side of it. But you know,

1734
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,759
Speaker 1: with Olivia, you know they have now fallen in love

1735
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: and are getting married. For anyone who doesn't know she

1736
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 1: was reporting on the case. In fact, Kayleie Gonzalvez is

1737
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:29,719
Speaker 1: had befriended her on Facebook and only after the murders

1738
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: did she really realize that. So in a way, it's

1739
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: like Kayleie Gonzalvez, the victim kind of brought her brother

1740
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: and this journalist who was covering the case, who Kaylee

1741
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: had also friended on social media. It seems sort of

1742
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 1: is it possible that there's something divinely guided about their

1743
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: relationship not to put too much pressure on it, right,

1744
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, even just hearing their voices though now like

1745
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: he's so much lighter and I don't know.

1746
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 6: Love.

1747
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 1: Love will conquer many things, you know, and we've said

1748
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 1: it before. Even in the darkest times, you know, light

1749
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 1: things can break through, right, even in the crack.

1750
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 3: I like to call it where light comes through.

1751
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 4: I like to call it Kaylee's gift. Yes, Like it's

1752
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,759
Speaker 4: kind of like forgiven as I think about it. I know, yeah,

1753
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, there was a lot of controversy

1754
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 4: around it. Yeah, but I like to call it Kaylee's gift, like,

1755
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 4: you know, like it's okay, gone, so move you know,

1756
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:29,560
Speaker 4: I want you to move on and I want you

1757
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 4: to be happy, and this is my gift to you.

1758
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 4: I kind of that's how I that's how I prefer

1759
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 4: to look at it, rather than like a cynical eye, right,

1760
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 4: I prefer to be like, this is Kaylee's gift.

1761
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 1: I think it's you wanted to kind of end the

1762
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 1: documentary with them in that new development, but then it

1763
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we don't want to put too much

1764
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: pressure on a relationship, you know. So I mean, look,

1765
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 1: they're going to plan a wedding after you know, a

1766
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 1: lot of tough years and you know, the Gonzalvez family,

1767
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: you know, may they have a very merry wedding and

1768
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,719
Speaker 1: much to sell break and then yeah, to your point,

1769
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,640
Speaker 1: he did make that mention that the younger sisters are

1770
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 1: getting blown off and stuff. And again the ripple effect,

1771
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: and we hear this on you know, even the assail

1772
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: in side, on Brian Coburger's side, you know, the family

1773
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 1: is also they take such a hit, you know, and

1774
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 1: another version of sadness continues because you're.

1775
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 4: Reef is compounded now right, You've just lost your beloved

1776
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 4: sister in this like horrific crime. Well two sisters really

1777
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 4: because Maddie too. They consider Maddie Madison Mogan. You know,

1778
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 4: they were sister friends, you know, and so they've lost

1779
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 4: their sisters and now their friends are kind of like

1780
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 4: backing away slowly, right wow. And they're young in high.

1781
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: School and that's when you really need the support. That's

1782
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,560
Speaker 1: what you really want to fit in. You want to

1783
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,679
Speaker 1: be loved the most and well most backup.

1784
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 4: Grief is is awful. It comes in waves too, and

1785
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:57,600
Speaker 4: it can be overpowering. And I mean I've only experienced

1786
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 4: grief a couple of times in my life, and I

1787
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 4: had the iFIT of being an adult, you know, not

1788
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 4: I was never a teenager, you know, you know how

1789
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 4: emotional teenagers are, right, So I just I just can't

1790
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 4: imagine having grief on top of it, you know, and

1791
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 4: having to go to high school and see people and

1792
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 4: that you care about love maybe not being able to

1793
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 4: be your friend anymore. And that's just really really really sad.

1794
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 4: And this ripple effect is horrifying.

1795
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you think about it too, even for

1796
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 1: young kids, you know. You know, listen, those are that's

1797
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 1: a time when you need girlfriends and friends the very most.

1798
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, somebody at that age goes through

1799
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: something so traumatic, maybe their friend group feels they can't

1800
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: relate to the trauma they've experienced, right, So it's a

1801
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: tough one.

1802
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 2: But you know what would they say?

1803
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: Grief is love with nowhere to go, you know, so

1804
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, the heavier the heart, the more love is there.

1805
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:54,759
Speaker 3: So that's beautiful.

1806
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,560
Speaker 7: I've never heard that, but I like that, yeah.

1807
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 1: Which I could give credit to the proper person where

1808
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: I heard it. It's an original thought, but I find it,

1809
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, comforting, right, So and listen, you know, just

1810
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 1: to wrap up, you know, to Jamaica, We're thinking about you,

1811
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 1: we're wishing for you overnight, and we'll be sending you

1812
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:17,640
Speaker 1: our prayers throughout the night. More more to come tomorrow,

1813
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 1: and remember talk back tuesdays tomorrow, everyone, so leave those talkbacks.

1814
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 2: You heard the caller.

1815
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear more from you and everybody.

1816
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 3: Please stay safe out there.

1817
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us tonight.

1818
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 3: We love you. Good night,