1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah me too. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 5 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party. 6 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after 7 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: the party, the britage to get you from one full 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about this week's full episode subject part two 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: of our Temptations story. In the Tammy Terrell Saga, we're 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: rewinding back to our David Bowie episode previewing our upcoming 14 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: story on Motorhead, and we get into your voicemails, text, dms, 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: and as always a whole lot of rosie. This is 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent 17 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: thinkers who know that the best history is the history 18 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: that gets buried. Disgracelands where I tell the stories they 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling to 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: someone else. All right, disc goes, let's get into it. 21 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: The small town I grew up in had a typical 22 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: downtown with a lot of different shops. If you needed clothes, hardware, 23 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: greeting cards, groceries, whatever, you could get it downtown in 24 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,279 Speaker 1: one of the shops on High Street in Clinton, Massachusetts. 25 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: This was before big box stores and malls, before malls 26 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: were as prevalent, but definitely before big box stores. And 27 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: if you didn't want to go to Boston or god forbid, Worcester, 28 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: you went, as we said, downtown to get what you needed. 29 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: And if you needed something you couldn't buy in stores, 30 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: you went to the bad end of High Street where 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: Papacolis's market was located. It was a little Greek grocery 32 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: where for some reason, all the druggies hung out. About 33 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: fifty feet to the left of paps as Papacolas's was 34 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: referred to, was city hall music. Now, this is where 35 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: we went to get our records or cassettes to be 36 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: more accurate, and to get a little bit of our 37 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: music history education. Now, much later in the year two 38 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: thousand and when the movie High Fidelity came out, the 39 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: adaptation of Nick Hornby's excellent novel of the same name 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: starring John Cusack, about a couple of Chicago record store 41 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: nerds whose musical tastes are unquestionable but whose ethics have 42 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: something to be desired. I felt as I'm sure a 43 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: lot of the dudes who I grew up with felt 44 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: like I knew those record store nerds that were in 45 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: the movie, because in a way, I grew up with 46 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: my own small town version. Not in a way I did. 47 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: I grew up with my own small town version of 48 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: the record store and high fidelity downtown. At City Hall 49 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: Music in Clinton, mass the dudes who worked there were older, stoned, 50 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: and they didn't care much about selling records. They did 51 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: care about talking shit and demonstrating their knowledge of music 52 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: history and occasionally dunking on a heavy metal curious fourth 53 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: grader and inspiring him at the same time. Now that's 54 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: the grade, fourth grade that I was in, I think anyways, 55 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: I think that's the grade I was in the first 56 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: time I visited City Hall, back right around the time 57 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: when it opened, I was with my stepfather, who wasn't 58 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: much older than the dudes who worked there, and he 59 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: was only a little less burnt out. And that's not 60 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: to say that he related to them in any way. 61 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: He didn't. 62 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: In fact, I can still remember the tension between Joe, 63 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: my stepdad, and the city hall guys. I was pretty 64 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: sure that that our visit wasn't going to end with 65 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: me getting the ACDC record that I wanted, but instead 66 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: with Joe, with Joe putting one of those dudes in 67 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: the hospital like he nearly did that guy at the 68 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: Jay Giles concert who popped my beloe with the lid 69 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: end of his cigarette. But that's another story. There was 70 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: no violence, just the threat of it, made tangible by 71 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: the weird mix of music, snobbery and small town testosterone 72 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: floating in the air. Why do you want back in Black? 73 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 1: The dude working there asked me, But what his tone 74 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: really said was what kind of asshole wants to buy 75 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: that record? I'm not sure I gave the dude an answer, 76 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: but I was then asked if i'd heard Highway to 77 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: Hell and I had, Well, why didn't I want that record? 78 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: I don't fucking know, man, because I'm in the fourth 79 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: grade and I just heard he shook me all night long, 80 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: and maybe I want to know about fast machines and 81 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: keeping the motor clean. I didn't say any of that. 82 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: I probably just looked at the dude with the stupid 83 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: grin on my face while secretly praying that my stepdad 84 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: didn't grab him by his T shirt collar, drag him 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: over the counter, and beat the dank smell of pod 86 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: off of him. But the dude then asked me, and 87 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: I remember this clearly, He asked me which ACDC singer 88 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: I like best? Which singer the fuck was this dude 89 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: talking about which singer? There was only one singer, the 90 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: dude who looked like you were construction with Joe my stepdad. 91 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, there was another singer in ACDC before 92 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: the back in Black guy. I'll never forget how shocking 93 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: this realization was to be, even at that young age. 94 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: How had I not known and hold up? The dude died, 95 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: the first singer from ACDC died. Tell me more. The 96 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: record store dude obliged and told me about Bond Scott 97 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: and his premature death. And I'm certain he hinted at 98 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: the whispers behind the mystery of Bond's death. Because the 99 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: whole story gripped me. I was in Give me all 100 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: the fucking rock and roll stories, Oh eighties record store 101 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: stage the dude must have picked up on my sincere interest, 102 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: because now he was on the other side of the 103 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: counter personally escorting me to the ACDC section. I didn't 104 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: want back in black, he told me. And sure, you 105 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: knew better than what I want. You're older. You have 106 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: a leather jacket with cut off sleeves that you wear 107 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: over your deno jacket. That's two hole jackets. Well almost, 108 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: so you're absolutely the authority here. I was informed that 109 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: I didn't want Highway to Hell either. I wanted let 110 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: there be rock and hot Damn did I ever want 111 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: let there be rock? Of course, I want let there 112 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: be rock, dude, whatever you say given to me. At 113 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: that moment, I'm convinced my stepdad was even closer to 114 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: wrecking my new stoned Obi wan Kenobi record store dude, 115 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: even more than he was before now out of spie 116 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: or jealousy or whatever, because I'm sure my stepdad thought 117 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: that he was bringing me to the record store to 118 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: bond with me, And here I am bonding with this 119 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: burnout and not him. And what kind of influence was 120 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: this burnout going to have on me? An inordinate amount 121 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: of influence is the answer. At ACDC sized riff amount 122 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: of influence, nearly all the fucking influence. I basically lived 123 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: at City Hall Music after that, and so did a 124 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: handful of my friends. It's where I first heard the 125 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: new record by that guy who quote unquote ripped off 126 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: Jim Morrison, and that would be The Cults Ian Atsbury 127 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: on The Cult's debut album Love. It's where I caught 128 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: my first glimpse of Metallica without Cliff Burton, when the 129 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: Garage Day's EP promo poster went up on the wall 130 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: at City Hall before the record was even in stock. 131 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure It's where I bought Brett Easton Ellis's 132 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: Lesson Zero book, or at least where I borrowed it 133 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: off of someone. And it's where I most definitely bought 134 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: the soundtrack for Lesson Zero, Slayer and ll cool J 135 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: on one album. Of course, give it to me right now. 136 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: City Hall Music is literally where I saw my first 137 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 1: compact disc. But more important than all of that, City 138 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: Hall Music is where I caught a whiff of my 139 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: first rock and roll myth, the death of ACDC singer 140 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: Bond Scott. In the whispers of what really happened, I 141 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: never figured out if Bond died the way they officially 142 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: said he did, in the backseat of a Renault five, 143 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: choked to death on his puke after a night of 144 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: partying with the dudes from UFO, or if it was 145 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: something more nefarious drug dealers, contract killers. Frankly, I'm still 146 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: trying to figure out out this story decades later. I'm 147 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: nearly done writing our second ACDC episode, and I'm no 148 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: closer to a determination on Bond's death than I was 149 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,119 Speaker 1: before I even started this podcast. But I'm heavily leaning 150 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: toward the official cause of death on this one, despite 151 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: the suspicions that have been raised. That said, after two 152 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: rounds of research on the band, I still haven't done 153 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: enough research around Bond's death, So maybe a third episode. 154 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. What I do know is that suspicious 155 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: rockstar deaths fascinate me. That was one of the questions 156 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: we asked last week, and light of the Tammy Terrell 157 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: story that we told in this week's Temptations Part two episode, 158 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: which musician's death is most suspicious to you? The details 159 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: and theories around these suspicious deaths are often too controversial 160 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: to talk about here in the wide feed, and I'm 161 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: going to use today's exclusive bonus after party section to 162 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: dig a little bit deeper into some of these cases. 163 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: Sketchy official narrative around the death of Elliott Smith and 164 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: the mystery surrounding the murder of Al Jackson, junior drummer 165 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: for Booker teen, the mg skuy who played on all 166 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: Otis Reddings, hits basically, and a bunch of other incredible music, 167 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: and maybe I'll even hit on a couple other mysterious desks. 168 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: Big stars Chris Bell comes to mind, rock and roll 169 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: pioneer Bobby Fuller. I want to figure out which of 170 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: these will make for great Disgraceland episodes, or if in 171 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: fact they're just they're just too wild and crazy to 172 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: even get into in the wide feed. Some stories are 173 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: too strange, too sensitive, too unresolved for a big public 174 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: forum like the wide version of this podcast. But they 175 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: still matter, and like I said, a couple of them 176 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: are going to be waiting for you. In today's exclusive 177 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: bonus section of this afterparty. 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We just 196 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: released our new episode on the Temptations. That's part two, 197 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: which is really a Tammy Terrell story. Coming up next 198 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: in your feed. Right after this after party episode, We're 199 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: rewinding to our David Bowie episode where if you listen closely, 200 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: you'll hear me lose my mind in the E block. 201 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: And next week we are hitting all you held Ben 202 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: for Leather Rocke rollers with our Motorhead episode. Okay, but 203 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: right now you know where I'm at. I'm in the 204 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: phone booth. It's the one across the hall, and I'm 205 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: hanging on the telephone getting answers to our most pressing 206 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: questions from music history, like which musician died most mysteriously, 207 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: most suspiciously, what do you guys think? Who do you 208 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: want to talk about? Let's hear from Ricardo in the 209 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: five to one zero. 210 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: Good Jake, My name is Ricardo. I love your show out, 211 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: thanks for everything. I've always thought that Donny Hathaway's death 212 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: was really suspicious. He was considered the other genius at 213 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 3: Atlantic Records O in Arisa, and he had in history 214 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: of mental health issues and then also going on and 215 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: off his mads. I think lithium was one of them. 216 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 3: And yeah, he fell out of the seven thirty floor 217 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: of the Hotel Essex in New York, and yeah, there's 218 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: just something doesn't sit well with me about that. He's 219 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 3: definitely a musical genius. We found piece in his music, 220 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: and he's that like my favorite singer, and he died 221 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: too young, so I'd love to hear more about that. 222 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: Take care. 223 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: Thanks, Yes, Ricardo, you are right. Donnie Hathaway absolute genius. 224 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: Some mystery around his death, but just such a tragedy, man, 225 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: just a It's a sad story and a huge talent. 226 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: And we do have an episode on Donnie Hathaway. It's 227 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,359 Speaker 1: back in the archive. You can check that out. Appreciate 228 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: your call, Ricardo. Hope you doing okay, man, You sound 229 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: like you're still grieving the death of Donnie Hathaway. Give 230 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: us a call back anytimes. Six one, seven nine, six 231 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: six six three eight. That goes for all y'all. You 232 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: want to be part of the show seven nine six 233 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: six six three eight. You can chime in on our 234 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: question of the week. Next week's question of the week. 235 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: As we get into the Motorhead episode is a little 236 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: bit different. Motorhead was one of the first real concerts 237 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: I saw, not the first I saw a handful before, 238 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: but Motorhead was one of the first concerts where I 239 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: felt truly in danger, even though it's with my dad's 240 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: Motorhead and Slayer. In nineteen eighty six, I believe at 241 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: the Orpheum in Boston, and I want to know from you, guys. 242 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: Question of the week is going to be what was 243 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: the first concert you attended? That's it, the first one 244 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: that had It doesn't have to be that the very first. 245 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: It just has to be the first one that had 246 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: a real impact on you. I mentioned the Jay Giles 247 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: concert I was at earlier with my stepdad nearly nearly 248 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: beat down the dude who popped my balloon. That was 249 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: Jay Giles and Zzy Top, I think, and I think 250 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: it was probably about five years old Westboro Speedway. Perhaps 251 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: I don't remember it. I don't remember it at all, 252 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: but I remember that Motorhead concert very clearly. So question 253 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: of the week for next week, what was your first 254 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: concert that had a huge impact on you? Six one 255 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: seven nine oh six sixty six three eight. In light 256 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: of our motor Head story, hit us up, call us, 257 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: leave us a voicemail like Ricardo, or send us a text. 258 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: Let's check out this voicemail here from the six to 259 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: seventy eight. 260 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, this is Adrianna is in Rocky. Call in 261 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,479 Speaker 4: from the six seven eight. I actually just calling to 262 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 4: leave you kind of like a recommendation one of my 263 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 4: favorite fans all time favorite bands, which I think you 264 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 4: might already be familiar with, but if not, they're from 265 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 4: Massachusetts and they're around in the nineties and they are 266 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 4: to me like top favorite, one of my favorite top 267 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 4: favorite bands. And to me again, they're like the epitome 268 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 4: of punk rock and they are the Kings of Nothing. 269 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 4: So if you're not familiar with them. 270 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 3: Check him out. 271 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 4: I don't think it'd be disappointed. 272 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: All right, later, Adrian, I am resisting doing my soss 273 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: Lorne and Brustin vision to Adrian, I'm not going to 274 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: do that for you, Okay, ruins my voice. I love 275 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: the recommendations. Thank you very much. Always come at me 276 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: with whatever you got, and you're going to be very 277 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: surprised to hear what I'm about to tell you right now, Adrian. 278 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: Not only have I heard of Kings of Nothing, I 279 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: was in Kings of Nothing. Okay, I was literally in 280 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: the band. Here's the story. Prior to being called Kings 281 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: of Nothing. They were the Boston Blackouts, tore Liam Necro, myself, 282 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: Justin who I christened Justice, which he didn't like, and 283 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: a couple others. I don't even remember it was a 284 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: huge fucking band. Anyways, I sang in that band and 285 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: played guitar. We did two gigs, two shows. They were epic. 286 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: Guy got knifed and thrown out the window of the 287 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: causeway for the first show we played. The second show 288 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: we played was downstairs at the Middle East. I believe 289 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: with the Shods, great great Boston punk band, Lowell punk band. 290 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: I should say it'd be more accurate. And I quit 291 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: after those two shows. It was way, way too intense. 292 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: That's not why I quit. I quit because I wanted 293 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: to go back to school and I wanted to I 294 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: wanted to focus more on that and less on punk 295 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: rock and rock and roll. When I quit, tour moved 296 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: from upright base to being the front man and they 297 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: went on to have a real career. Prior to that, again, 298 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: we were called the Boston Blackouts and then they changed 299 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: the name and yeah, that's what happened. We never recorded, 300 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: but we did do those two gigs and they were 301 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: they were insane. I think there was fire involved. I'm 302 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: not even joking. And again guy gets stabbed and thrown 303 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: out the window causeway. Chet's Last Call. That's what it 304 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: was called prior to that, So there you go, Adrian, 305 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: great call. I often forget about that band, and I 306 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: shouldn't because it was a real moment in my life. 307 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: It was wild. I have tons of wild stories, so 308 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: as I'm sure you do as well. All right, let's 309 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: move on here. Let's go do some texts from the 310 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: nine one nine text in I listened to your pod 311 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: on the stagnet culture. This is last week. We talked 312 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: about how culture has sort of stopped resetting every ten 313 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: years like it used to do. And I'm not going 314 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: to go into the whole thing again, but if you 315 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: want to listen to it, it's there for you're in 316 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: the last after party and the texture here nine one 317 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: nine says, Hey, I listened to your pod on the 318 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,719 Speaker 1: stagnant culture, and I thought I was just old and 319 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: out of touch with the culture until I moved my 320 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: son out of his freshman college dorm a year ago. 321 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: We're taking down Alison chains and South Park posters, and 322 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: I realized my son was having the exact same college 323 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: experience I did. I attended college from nineteen ninety two 324 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: to nineteen ninety seven, when the last relevant culture shift 325 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: was happening. My daughter and I love to find good 326 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: new music and have been saved by bands like Mountjoy, 327 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: back Seat Lovers, and Big Something. The first time I 328 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: saw Backseat Lovers live, I said, this is their generation's 329 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: Kurt Cobaine. And the difference is that these great bands 330 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: play in front of two thousand people and seem to 331 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: make enough money from streaming to stay together. I like 332 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: that I can watch these bands in small venues, but 333 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: they won't be changing culture until music and media corporations 334 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: deem it profitable to back them. And nine one nine 335 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: you're spot on. I would add that it's it's kind 336 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: of yeah, I don't know if it's that they're I mean, 337 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: part of it is they're not getting the big mainstream 338 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: push that certainly Nirvana got back in the day. But again, 339 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: for all the reasons I said last week, culture and 340 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: media are just so different nowadays than they were back then. 341 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: And yeah, there's a corporate stranglehold that just it deincentivizes 342 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: artists to create the way that artists in the past 343 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: were incentivized to create. That's part of it. There's a 344 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on. But I wanted to read 345 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: that text and I believe this miss this guy email 346 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: this as well. I wanted to read this because uh, 347 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: nine one nine, I just you really perfectly summed up 348 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: the whole issue here. You're you're taking down posters from 349 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: your your son's dorm and they're the same posters you 350 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: had in your dorm on the same artists, same TV shows. 351 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: It's wild, just wild. All right. Let's check out same subject, 352 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: this one from the seven to four who writes and hey, 353 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: I got to disagree with you, Jake. I think Swift, 354 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: that'd be Taylor. Swift is changing the culture. You see 355 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: the way young women are coming up and being social 356 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: media managers for sports teams and pulling the team girl long. 357 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: I think Taylor speaks to that. She's certainly changing the 358 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: industry with her wrestling control from the labels and doing 359 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: what they can to limit that control. And I don't 360 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: think there's another person who is. But I do think 361 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: Taylor is having a cultural influence, even if the culture 362 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: is her HARKing back to the nineties when she grew up. 363 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: Just in my opinion, Well, you know, I don't entirely 364 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: agree with you here, and I guess say I'm kind 365 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: of wrestling with this text and not knowing what to 366 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: do with it. Like on the one hand, I like 367 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: that I'm being challenged, and I want to acknowledge that. 368 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to pretend to you guys that this 369 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 1: is just a big chorus of approval here where I 370 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: say something and you guys just parrot back what I say. 371 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: Oftentimes people disagree or have different takes, and I like that. 372 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: I encourage that. I think that's great. I want to 373 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: think through these things critically with you. But at the 374 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: same time, I don't want to sit here and be 375 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: arguing into the void when this person doesn't have a 376 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: forum right now to defend their argument. But I'll just 377 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: say I don't. I don't think Taylor Swift is changing 378 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: the culture. She's certainly influential when it comes to the 379 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: business side of it and record sales. I don't see 380 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people beyond her sort of immediate demographic 381 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: of young women behaving any differently because of Taylor Swift. 382 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: And as far as as far as her getting her 383 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: her songs back from the labels and ownership, that's that's 384 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: not anything new, and it really only happens to major artists, 385 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: huge artists like this. Bruce Springsteen went through something very 386 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: similar once he became super successful. But it's not like 387 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: in Taylor's resting back control of her music that it 388 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: has created a sort of watershed moment for other artists 389 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: to do so. It hasn't. She's able to do it 390 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: because she is a she's an anomaly, She's an aberration. 391 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: She's bigger than anyone else that said I, you know, 392 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: you know hit me back here seven seven two four. 393 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: I do take a lot of what you're saying here. 394 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: I do think she is influential on women coming up, 395 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: like you say, but I don't entirely agree with your point. 396 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: Any of y'all want to argue with me or just 397 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: talk about whatever you want to talk about six one 398 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight voicemail and text, 399 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: and of course you can. You can always DM me. 400 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: I might hit you back on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook at 401 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: disgrace lampod and you can email me Disgrace Lampod at 402 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Surefire way to get my attention and 403 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: get a response immediately. Hit me up on Patreon in 404 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: the chat. Don't direct message me on Patreon. Their messaging 405 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: app sucks and it takes forever to load, and I 406 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: seldom use it. So if you have messaged me there 407 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: and I haven't responded, that's why. But just just publicly 408 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: call me out in the chat and ask me whatever 409 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: you want, and I'll get in there with you. We'll 410 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: chop it up, all right, Gonna chop it up with 411 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: you on the other side of this break right now, 412 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: back in a flash, all right, my people, as we 413 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: are back, listen, Disgraceland isn't the only place we play 414 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: every week, okay. We also play over in Hollywood Land, 415 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: tons of episodes from the Annex of Hollywood and true 416 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 1: crime on your favorite actresses and actors and directors. And 417 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: in addition to the fully scripted episodes that we're releasing 418 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: over there that are going to feel and sound a 419 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: lot like Disgraceland episodes, just with slightly different subject matter, 420 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: we also do these rap party bonus episodes. But it's 421 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: not just me and the mic like it is here 422 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: in the after Party. It's me and Zeth Lundy and 423 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: people are loving it. We're getting a lot of great feedback. 424 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: The show is growing every week. Zeth is really crushing 425 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: in it over there. Zeth is more of a movie 426 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: head than I am. He knows more about movie history 427 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: than I do I think he was a film school nerd. 428 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: I could be wrong about that. There's a lot of 429 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: mystery and Zeth's background. I don't ask. You know, things 430 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: get said and I just kind of go, okay. You know, 431 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: there's some weird run in with John Mayer from his path. 432 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: You know, you can ask them. I'm not gonna. I'm 433 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: day It's not for me anyhow. Matt, let's let's give 434 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: the people a little a little taste of the Rap Party. 435 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: Show those who have not yet subscribed to Hollywood Land 436 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: what they're missing. In addition to the full episodes. Like 437 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: I said, you get these Rap Party episodes. And then, guys, 438 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: after you listen to this clip, I want you to 439 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: go to hollywood Land and Apple Podcasts or Spotify or 440 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: iHeart or the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts, 441 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: and I want you to subscribe to hollywood Land. All right, Matt, 442 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: give them that clip. 443 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 5: Death Lundy here with Jake Brennan coming at you with 444 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 5: the part of the show we call for your consideration. 445 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 5: This is where Jake and I give you music and 446 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 5: movie recommendations. But the twist is that they are recommendations 447 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 5: inspired by the subject from our full episode of Hollywood 448 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 5: Land this week. So, look, I could easily recommend three 449 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 5: great Harrison Ford movies right off the top of my head, 450 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 5: but like, what's the point because you've all seen them, 451 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 5: you all you're gonna go nod your heads and be like, Yep, 452 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 5: that's great, that's great. What I want to recommend and 453 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 5: what I want to talk about are three great movies 454 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 5: that Harrison Ford turned down, three great roles that he 455 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 5: movies he was not in. And Jake, I want to 456 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 5: litigate with you right here in real time whether or 457 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 5: not those movies would have been better Okay with Harrison 458 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 5: Ford in them? 459 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: Okay, love this all right? 460 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 5: So number one JFK nineteen ninety one, directed by Oliver Stone. 461 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 5: So Harrison Ford was up for the role of Jim Garrison, 462 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 5: which of course went to Kevin Costner. What do you 463 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 5: think about this movie with Harrison Ford as Jim Garrison. 464 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: I can't stop thinking of Harrison Ford and Kevin Bacon's 465 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: you a five looking piece of meat, miss of Gaston. Yeah, damn, 466 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: I love Kevin Costner in this role. Yeah, it's a 467 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: defining role for Kevin cost A Greed. I think it's 468 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: his best role. Actually, I think it's better than Field 469 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: of Dreams, better than The Untouchables. But Harrison Ford, Wow, 470 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: he would have He would have brought a kind of 471 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: like like a meanness to it almost, you know, like 472 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: a like a pissiness. Yeah, uh yeah, he. 473 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 5: Would have been much more cynical. I think what works 474 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 5: for Kevin Costner is that there's something so like green 475 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 5: and aw shucks about him. Yeah know what I mean? 476 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 5: That I think really works as his character has sort 477 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 5: of plunged into this world of conspiracies and stuff, and 478 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 5: it would have it just would have been different with 479 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 5: Harrison Ford. 480 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: I think Harrison Ford would have been too cynical and 481 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have It wouldn't have scanned right, and it 482 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have had the impact it had. So for that, 483 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: even though I may have enjoyed Harrison Ford in it 484 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: more than Kevin Costner, I think the role in the 485 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: movie is better with Costner. Yeah, agreed. That's Hollywood Land. 486 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: You heard it here. 487 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: Uh you know, you know the drill. 488 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: Go to Hollywood Land on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you 489 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: get your podcasts, and subscribe so you do not miss 490 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: any of that hot Hollywood and true crime action the ze, 491 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: Lundy and myself are given to you every week. All right, 492 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: that's Hollywood Land on whatever podcast app you use. Make 493 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: sure you are subscribed already. 494 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: Then it's time. 495 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: Now you know what time it is. It's time for 496 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: the sixty second sports rant and under thirty seconds, brought 497 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: to you again by our friends of five Hour Energy 498 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: in their new confetti Craze flavor. It tastes just like 499 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: birthday cake with a vanilla and buttery flavor to let 500 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: you be unapologetically extra and unstoppably energized. Head to your 501 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: local retailer www dot five hour Energy dot com or 502 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: Amazon to order yours today. Listen, speaking of today, Matt, 503 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: give me the buzzer go ahead. The NFL season is 504 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: upon us. It's coming. The season opens on September fourth 505 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: with the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles hosting the Dallas Cowboys. 506 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: Those of you who don't know, Cowboys are my other team. Okay, 507 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: I'm a Pats fan, always been a Cowboys fan as well, 508 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: but Pats fan first. Anyways, it doesn't matter. This also 509 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: means with the start of the NFL season in the 510 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: next few weeks, I'll have two fantasy football drafts. That 511 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: I'll have to prepare for. I had to say I'm 512 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: not happy about it. Who else plays fantasy football like 513 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: I do, strictly out of social fomo? Okay? Who else 514 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: plays out of fomo? I don't like fantasy football. I 515 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: love it, but I also hate it. I don't like 516 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: playing it until I do. I don't like talking about 517 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: it unless I'm on a tear that week, and I 518 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: don't like thinking about it. Yet here I am thinking 519 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: about it and talking to you guys about it. Understand this. 520 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm a dude who doesn't even like looking at his phone. 521 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: If it weren't for me making my living in digital media, 522 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: I would be totally off the grid. But dude, what 523 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: pick am I going to get in my snake draft? 524 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: All Right? Fantasy football will eat you alive, is what 525 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you're naturally competitive like I am, it'll 526 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: ruin your fall and your early winter. And I can't 527 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: let my sisters beat me, and in my other league, 528 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: I can't let my father in law think I'm an 529 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: ass hat homer who, yeah, maybe once drafted a Patriots 530 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: kicker in the third round. I can't lose, man, That's 531 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yet I couldn't give a shit either. 532 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: That's the other part of this. I like the games 533 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: as they were meant to be played. I don't like 534 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: watching for fantasy points on Sunday. I like defense over offense. 535 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: I like pounding ground games in illegal hits that were 536 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: legal in every decade except for this one. But still 537 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: I play fantasy football because I'm a sucker. Man any 538 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: other suckers out there? Who else feels like fantasy football 539 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: is a blessing and a curse? I don't know, but 540 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: I do know. I'll be playing this fall for what 541 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: will be my thirteenth season in one league and fourth 542 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: or fifth in Thegether. I can't even keep track I 543 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: started that other league. I don't even want to be 544 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: in it, but yeah, I can't not be in it. 545 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: I want to be in it. I don't want to 546 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: miss anything. Okay, what the hell is wrong with Matt? 547 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: How'd I do well? Jake? 548 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 6: I got to say, you didn't make it in under 549 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 6: thirty seconds, but I. 550 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: Really think we should put that aside. 551 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 6: This week's ramp really seemed like a cry for help, 552 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 6: and I think we should put our focus on getting 553 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 6: you the help that you need. So maybe we can, 554 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 6: you know, sit down with a couple five Hour Energies 555 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 6: and talk about that after the show. 556 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: Okay, buddy, I knew I went too long. I knew it. 557 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: I knew it. I couldn't help myself. I'll try harder 558 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: next week. 559 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,239 Speaker 4: All right. 560 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: That was the Sports ran sponsored by Five Hour Energies 561 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: New Confetti Craze Flavor Unleash your party vibes with as 562 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: much caffeine as your favorite twelve ounce fancy coffee, but 563 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: with zero sugar and zero crash. Available in stores on 564 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: Amazon or at www dot five hour energy dot com. So, 565 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: speaking of the football, last year, we did a banger 566 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: episode on the super suspicious death of NFL owner Carol Rosenbloom. 567 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: But this week we're talking about the suspicious deaths of 568 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: rock stars. In the bonus section of the after Party. 569 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, I'm dipping into Elliott Smith and 570 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: Al Jackson Junior, two musicians whose deaths are steeped in 571 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: mystery and conflicting narratives. These are stories I wanted to 572 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: tell for years, guys, but they've always felt too sketchy, 573 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: too unresolved, too controversial to fully dive into in the 574 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: main feed. But here's the thing. We don't need to 575 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: wait for Chasm or who are over the fuck else 576 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: to give us the studio algorithm approved lay mass versions 577 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: of these stories. We can start digging in now, because 578 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: you're as interested in this stuff as I am. You're 579 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: as interested in separating the noise from the truth as 580 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: I am. You're obsessed like me, and so this bonus 581 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: section is for you. It's not a full deep dive. 582 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: We're dipping our toes into these stories for now, maybe 583 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: more later, probably more later. I don't know. I haven't 584 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: figured it out, but right now you can get some 585 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: of this hot Elliott Smith weirdness, some of this Al 586 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: Jackson Junior conspiracy or curiosity. I should say, go to 587 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: disgrayslampod dot com slash membership to become an all access 588 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: member and unlock this bonus episode, plus ad free episodes, 589 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: extra full episodes, and a direct line to this mission 590 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: that we are all on all for just five bucks 591 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: a month less if you sign up for the year, 592 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: and like I said, that price guys, like I said, 593 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: it's going up soon, but if you join now, you're 594 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: locked in for life at just five bucks a month. 595 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: We reward the early Diggers the early discos. 596 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 2: All right, all right, we are back. 597 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me on another wild ride here in 598 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: the After Party mentioned a ton of artists in this episode, 599 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: Donnie Hathaway, Taylor Swift, Metallica even not an artist, but 600 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: we mentioned that NFL story. We have episodes on all 601 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: of these stories, and Matt is going to provide the 602 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: episode notes in the show notes section of the after 603 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: Party for you to easily find these stories in our 604 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: massive archive of over two hundred and thirty five episodes 605 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 1: full episodes. I don't even know how many we have anymore. 606 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: How's that for crazy? We may have had some weird 607 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: milestone we passed and I'm not even aware. We just 608 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: keep making it for you, guys. So let's recap, all right. 609 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: Number one this week's full episode The Temptations Part two, 610 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,959 Speaker 1: that's available for you right now. Number two. Coming up 611 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: next is our rewind episode on David Bowie and My 612 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: freak out in a moon Age day Dream. 613 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 614 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: Number three up next week our episode on Motorhead. Number 615 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: four out in Hollywood Land right now is our story 616 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: on Harrison four Number five six one seven nine oh 617 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: six six six three eight voicemail and text get at me. 618 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: You can DM me at disgrace Lampod on Instagram, TikTok, 619 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: Facebook and Xdisgracelampod at gmail dot com to email me. 620 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: Your voice helps uncover what cup buried. Your takes propel 621 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: me into the dark corners of music history. So keep 622 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: them coming. Dig, baby, Dig, now that the night is over. 623 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: As the man once said, Number six, do not forget 624 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: this goes. This isn't just content. It's a community, a 625 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books, 626 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: records in the crime and grime that ties them all together, 627 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: like you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right. 628 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: Tammy Terrell, featured in this week's part two episode on 629 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: the Temptations, died on March sixteenth, nineteen seventy. Here's what 630 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: America was listening to that week, according to the Billboard Charts. 631 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: Number one Bridge Over Troubled Water, Simon and Garf Uncle 632 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: last week one peak position one weeks on chart six. 633 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: Number two traveling Band Full Stop The Range, Credence Clearwater 634 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: Revival last week to peak position weeks on chart seven. 635 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: Number three on the Rapper Jaggers last week weeks on 636 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: number one, peak position number weeks on chart seven, he said, 637 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: number four Rainy Night in Georgia. Rubber necking week last 638 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: week number one peak position. Give me four weeks on chart. 639 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 1: Test clear number five ma Bella last week six. Quit 640 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 1: talking and start mixing.