1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:24,395 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio Good Evening, 2 00:00:24,475 --> 00:00:30,915 Speaker 1: Live from New York. No audience, no moderators, no journalism. 3 00:00:31,555 --> 00:00:33,955 Speaker 1: What you have just witnessed if you watch the first 4 00:00:34,275 --> 00:00:38,315 Speaker 1: Biden Trump debate on CNN, which it marketed as the 5 00:00:38,355 --> 00:00:42,755 Speaker 1: CNN Presidential Debate, what you have seen is a debate 6 00:00:42,915 --> 00:00:47,835 Speaker 1: with three participants, Joe Biden versus the tag team of 7 00:00:47,915 --> 00:00:52,595 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and CNN. The decision to not fact check 8 00:00:52,955 --> 00:00:56,515 Speaker 1: the fire hose of lies that is Donald Trump, that 9 00:00:56,675 --> 00:00:59,875 Speaker 1: is the entirety of his existence and the entirety of 10 00:00:59,915 --> 00:01:03,515 Speaker 1: his campaign. The decision to not fact check any one 11 00:01:03,595 --> 00:01:07,755 Speaker 1: of those lies by CNN was one of the most 12 00:01:07,995 --> 00:01:11,675 Speaker 1: immoral decisions in the history of the free press in 13 00:01:11,715 --> 00:01:15,915 Speaker 1: this country. Literally, I am suggesting that at some point 14 00:01:15,995 --> 00:01:20,275 Speaker 1: tonight CNN should it will not go off the air 15 00:01:20,435 --> 00:01:24,915 Speaker 1: in shame, fire everybody, seal off the buildings, make sure 16 00:01:24,955 --> 00:01:28,275 Speaker 1: everybody's out, and burn the goddamn place to the ground. 17 00:01:28,715 --> 00:01:32,955 Speaker 1: There was nothing in that entire coverage of that debate 18 00:01:33,315 --> 00:01:37,035 Speaker 1: that suggested for a moment that the truth mattered. To CNN. 19 00:01:37,915 --> 00:01:41,755 Speaker 1: They answered none of Trump's lies, even the one promise 20 00:01:41,795 --> 00:01:44,715 Speaker 1: that was made that if Trump talked about the twenty 21 00:01:44,755 --> 00:01:47,875 Speaker 1: twenty election and questioned the outcome. There would be pushback 22 00:01:48,035 --> 00:01:52,315 Speaker 1: from Dana Bash and Jake Tapper did not come to pass. 23 00:01:52,795 --> 00:01:57,275 Speaker 1: CNN had set the bar for itself about here. It 24 00:01:57,315 --> 00:02:00,275 Speaker 1: didn't even make to the top of the table. As 25 00:02:00,275 --> 00:02:05,075 Speaker 1: I warned in Wednesday's Countdown podcast, it was impairve that 26 00:02:05,115 --> 00:02:08,715 Speaker 1: there be some fashion of fact checking. You could not 27 00:02:08,915 --> 00:02:13,155 Speaker 1: simply allow what happened to Caitlin Collins at the town 28 00:02:13,235 --> 00:02:17,195 Speaker 1: hall last year in twenty twenty three to happen again 29 00:02:17,595 --> 00:02:20,755 Speaker 1: in a presidential debate. And yet that is exactly what 30 00:02:20,915 --> 00:02:24,555 Speaker 1: CNN and its new boss, Mark Thompson allowed to happen tonight, 31 00:02:24,835 --> 00:02:28,195 Speaker 1: and he and the political director David Shalian, and Jake 32 00:02:28,275 --> 00:02:32,155 Speaker 1: Tapper and Dana Bash should at minimum be suspended or 33 00:02:32,235 --> 00:02:36,955 Speaker 1: fired for journalistic malpractice at the highest level of failure 34 00:02:37,035 --> 00:02:42,075 Speaker 1: in American media and journalistic history. It was an extraordinary event. 35 00:02:42,475 --> 00:02:47,115 Speaker 1: CNN not just let Trump lie, They let him slander 36 00:02:47,195 --> 00:02:50,155 Speaker 1: the president of the United States repeatedly. They let him 37 00:02:50,155 --> 00:02:53,355 Speaker 1: lie about every aspect of his own presidency. They let 38 00:02:53,475 --> 00:02:56,115 Speaker 1: him lie about his coup, they let him lie about 39 00:02:56,195 --> 00:03:00,315 Speaker 1: January sixth, They let him lie about his goddamn golf scores. 40 00:03:00,675 --> 00:03:06,035 Speaker 1: The list of lies exceeded, I think by Trump just 41 00:03:06,115 --> 00:03:09,195 Speaker 1: in the approximately forty five minutes he would have been 42 00:03:09,235 --> 00:03:12,635 Speaker 1: on camera in this first debate, exceeded the lies that 43 00:03:12,715 --> 00:03:16,315 Speaker 1: he told against the Caitlyn Collins push back in twenty 44 00:03:16,355 --> 00:03:19,675 Speaker 1: twenty three in the town Hall, CNN broadcast live to 45 00:03:19,795 --> 00:03:23,995 Speaker 1: great criticism. That broadcast looks like it deserves a Pulletzer, 46 00:03:24,275 --> 00:03:28,235 Speaker 1: an Emmy, two Oscars, and a Grammy Award Compared to 47 00:03:28,275 --> 00:03:31,355 Speaker 1: this in terms of the journalistic quality that was done 48 00:03:31,395 --> 00:03:35,155 Speaker 1: by Kitlyn Collins, who simply tried to say the truth 49 00:03:35,475 --> 00:03:38,835 Speaker 1: and tried to push back. Jake Tapper and Dana Bash 50 00:03:38,955 --> 00:03:42,355 Speaker 1: sat there and read their questions off cards and did 51 00:03:42,355 --> 00:03:45,435 Speaker 1: not do follow ups, and did not question Trump in 52 00:03:45,475 --> 00:03:48,555 Speaker 1: the slightest and they let him lie. If Trump is 53 00:03:48,595 --> 00:03:52,715 Speaker 1: reelected and this country goes fascist as Trump intends it 54 00:03:52,755 --> 00:03:56,115 Speaker 1: to do, part of the responsibility is as of this 55 00:03:56,315 --> 00:04:01,035 Speaker 1: night on the heads of CNN Jake Tapper and Dana Bash. 56 00:04:01,115 --> 00:04:05,115 Speaker 1: It was an appalling performance. And as I speaking to here, 57 00:04:05,155 --> 00:04:08,635 Speaker 1: I'm someone who was not only once the moderator, in 58 00:04:08,675 --> 00:04:13,435 Speaker 1: effect the host or facilitator. To use the CNN term, 59 00:04:13,475 --> 00:04:17,995 Speaker 1: tonight of a Democratic presidential primary debate in Chicago in 60 00:04:18,035 --> 00:04:20,755 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, So I have some idea of 61 00:04:20,835 --> 00:04:23,475 Speaker 1: the preparation for these events. This wasn't some sort of 62 00:04:23,635 --> 00:04:26,275 Speaker 1: accident that they didn't push back. This wasn't some sort 63 00:04:26,275 --> 00:04:29,795 Speaker 1: of random occurrence in the heat of the on air broadcast, 64 00:04:29,955 --> 00:04:32,435 Speaker 1: as I will stumble over a word, or as Joe 65 00:04:32,475 --> 00:04:35,035 Speaker 1: Biden would stumble over a word tonight, or as Donald 66 00:04:35,075 --> 00:04:38,395 Speaker 1: Trump stumble over about five hundred words tonight. These were 67 00:04:38,435 --> 00:04:42,035 Speaker 1: not accidents. We prepared for this primary debate in two 68 00:04:42,075 --> 00:04:45,915 Speaker 1: thousand and seven in Chicago, where I believe seven Democratic candidates, 69 00:04:46,075 --> 00:04:51,875 Speaker 1: including President Obama, future President Biden, the Secretary of State 70 00:04:52,315 --> 00:04:55,235 Speaker 1: at the time, Hillary Clinton, and five other candidates. I 71 00:04:55,235 --> 00:04:57,635 Speaker 1: believe the total was eight. We had them all, and 72 00:04:57,715 --> 00:05:01,515 Speaker 1: we began to prepare the questions, writing them out, memorizing them, 73 00:05:01,515 --> 00:05:04,395 Speaker 1: deciding who should get which question. We started to do 74 00:05:04,435 --> 00:05:07,795 Speaker 1: that a week beforehand. There were twenty five people involved 75 00:05:07,795 --> 00:05:11,075 Speaker 1: in selecting what would be asked of the candidates in 76 00:05:11,195 --> 00:05:15,355 Speaker 1: that format. In this format, an actual presidential debate, the 77 00:05:15,395 --> 00:05:18,915 Speaker 1: first of only two scheduled in the entirety of this campaign, 78 00:05:19,075 --> 00:05:21,795 Speaker 1: the earliest in the history of this country. In the 79 00:05:21,795 --> 00:05:25,115 Speaker 1: most important election we have faced, certainly since the eighteen 80 00:05:25,195 --> 00:05:27,955 Speaker 1: sixty four election in the middle of the Civil War. 81 00:05:28,395 --> 00:05:32,275 Speaker 1: They planned this out. The decision was made by CNN, 82 00:05:32,715 --> 00:05:35,915 Speaker 1: no fact checks, and if there are no facts, Donald 83 00:05:35,955 --> 00:05:40,475 Speaker 1: Trump will win every time because he is a goddamned liar. 84 00:05:40,955 --> 00:05:44,435 Speaker 1: I took notes as we went through of the Trump lies, 85 00:05:44,955 --> 00:05:46,915 Speaker 1: and I don't think this is one third of what 86 00:05:47,075 --> 00:05:50,315 Speaker 1: was said. He lied about COVID and the entire history 87 00:05:50,435 --> 00:05:53,915 Speaker 1: of COVID under his misleadership, and CNN said nothing. He 88 00:05:53,955 --> 00:05:57,635 Speaker 1: lied about everybody wanting Roe v. Wade overturned and the 89 00:05:57,635 --> 00:06:00,715 Speaker 1: decisions about abortion sent back to the States, and CNN 90 00:06:00,795 --> 00:06:04,355 Speaker 1: said nothing. He lied that the founding fathers somehow would 91 00:06:04,395 --> 00:06:07,595 Speaker 1: have posed Roe v. Wade or would have demanded that 92 00:06:07,635 --> 00:06:10,195 Speaker 1: it be decided by the States or by the Supreme 93 00:06:10,235 --> 00:06:12,915 Speaker 1: Court the way the Supreme Court overturned it at his direction. 94 00:06:13,195 --> 00:06:15,755 Speaker 1: He lied about that, and CNN said nothing. He lied 95 00:06:15,795 --> 00:06:20,355 Speaker 1: about post birth abortion. Let's again remind everybody what post 96 00:06:20,555 --> 00:06:25,395 Speaker 1: perth abortion actually means. Trump suggested that people in this country, 97 00:06:25,475 --> 00:06:30,435 Speaker 1: doctors and mothers of newborn children due to incomplete abortions, 98 00:06:30,595 --> 00:06:32,755 Speaker 1: that the mothers of the children and the doctors and 99 00:06:32,835 --> 00:06:37,275 Speaker 1: other officials there murdered living infants who had just been born. 100 00:06:37,755 --> 00:06:41,795 Speaker 1: There was no fact check. According to CNN, that's true. 101 00:06:42,555 --> 00:06:45,595 Speaker 1: Jobs to illegal immigrants. Trump lied about that and CNN 102 00:06:45,675 --> 00:06:49,915 Speaker 1: said nothing. Biden to destroy social security. Trump lied about that, 103 00:06:49,955 --> 00:06:52,835 Speaker 1: and CNN said nothing. Trump at one point said he 104 00:06:52,875 --> 00:06:56,515 Speaker 1: would not say something about the Border Guard's endorsement, and 105 00:06:56,555 --> 00:06:58,995 Speaker 1: then he said it by saying he wouldn't say it. 106 00:06:59,035 --> 00:07:01,875 Speaker 1: He lied about that. He lied about terrorists coming across 107 00:07:01,915 --> 00:07:04,395 Speaker 1: the border and CNN said nothing. He ted lied about 108 00:07:04,435 --> 00:07:07,835 Speaker 1: many American citizens being left in Afghanistan and CNN said nothing. 109 00:07:07,955 --> 00:07:11,035 Speaker 1: He lied about how he was congratulated by Europe and 110 00:07:11,155 --> 00:07:14,795 Speaker 1: NATO by demanding more money, and CNN said nothing about that. 111 00:07:14,995 --> 00:07:19,315 Speaker 1: He lied about the ocean protecting us against a European war, 112 00:07:19,755 --> 00:07:22,875 Speaker 1: which was last postulated, I believe, by Woodrow Wilson in 113 00:07:22,955 --> 00:07:27,235 Speaker 1: nineteen sixteen, and CNN said nothing about that lie. He 114 00:07:27,315 --> 00:07:30,115 Speaker 1: lied about getting NATO to pay and CNN said nothing. 115 00:07:30,315 --> 00:07:33,315 Speaker 1: He lied about offering troops to Nancy Pelosi and CNN 116 00:07:33,355 --> 00:07:38,115 Speaker 1: said nothing. He lied about how some unknown, unidentified they 117 00:07:38,755 --> 00:07:41,955 Speaker 1: asked him to speak on January sixth, when the entirety 118 00:07:41,955 --> 00:07:45,115 Speaker 1: of the January sixth public event was his idea and 119 00:07:45,315 --> 00:07:48,875 Speaker 1: his scheme and his attempted coup. CNN could have, at 120 00:07:48,875 --> 00:07:52,715 Speaker 1: that point simply said one of those idiot anchors Jake 121 00:07:52,795 --> 00:07:56,355 Speaker 1: Tapper or Dana Bash should have said at that point, 122 00:07:56,395 --> 00:08:00,475 Speaker 1: at minimum, to possibly save this debacle from going any further, 123 00:08:00,595 --> 00:08:03,675 Speaker 1: could have just said, mister Trump, who's the they who 124 00:08:03,795 --> 00:08:07,115 Speaker 1: asked you to speak? Just to follow him up once 125 00:08:07,275 --> 00:08:10,075 Speaker 1: with a follow up question, to ask what it was 126 00:08:10,155 --> 00:08:13,395 Speaker 1: he was saying, because these were a series of lies 127 00:08:13,475 --> 00:08:17,235 Speaker 1: that went unquestioned. And Trump's villainy and Trump's role is 128 00:08:17,235 --> 00:08:19,675 Speaker 1: the greatest criminal in American history is one thing. But 129 00:08:19,755 --> 00:08:24,795 Speaker 1: tonight he has an accomplice. It's called CNN. Pelosi. He said, 130 00:08:25,675 --> 00:08:29,115 Speaker 1: acknowledged that she asked for the troops. Trump lied about that. 131 00:08:30,315 --> 00:08:33,955 Speaker 1: CNN said nothing about it. The January sixth evidence being destroyed, 132 00:08:33,955 --> 00:08:36,395 Speaker 1: trumpled about that. CNN said nothing about that. He lied 133 00:08:36,435 --> 00:08:39,595 Speaker 1: about Charlottesville. CNN said nothing about that. He lied about 134 00:08:39,675 --> 00:08:43,635 Speaker 1: Biden somehow making up the Charlottesville story about good people 135 00:08:43,675 --> 00:08:46,755 Speaker 1: on both sides. CNN didn't say anything about that. He 136 00:08:46,875 --> 00:08:50,715 Speaker 1: lied that he didn't call the dead soldiers losers and suckers. 137 00:08:50,955 --> 00:08:53,435 Speaker 1: He made up a number of people who said it 138 00:08:53,555 --> 00:08:55,955 Speaker 1: was not true, and CNN didn't call him on that. 139 00:08:56,155 --> 00:08:59,515 Speaker 1: He lied that Biden caused the inflation after COVID, and 140 00:08:59,595 --> 00:09:02,315 Speaker 1: CNN didn't say anything about that. He lied that Biden 141 00:09:02,355 --> 00:09:06,835 Speaker 1: had called Black's super predators, and despite an understandable dropped 142 00:09:07,035 --> 00:09:09,475 Speaker 1: jaw from the President of the United States when that happened, 143 00:09:09,515 --> 00:09:12,475 Speaker 1: CNN didn't say anything about that Trump lie. He lied 144 00:09:12,475 --> 00:09:16,715 Speaker 1: about his environmental numbers, how he had the best environmental numbers. Ever, 145 00:09:16,795 --> 00:09:21,035 Speaker 1: presumably he's talking about environmental numbers based on what the 146 00:09:21,675 --> 00:09:24,275 Speaker 1: polluters liked. I'm sure he got those right, but in 147 00:09:24,355 --> 00:09:27,955 Speaker 1: terms of environmental numbers, that was another lie CNN said 148 00:09:27,995 --> 00:09:32,115 Speaker 1: nothing about. He lied about migrants taking jobs of minorities, 149 00:09:32,155 --> 00:09:35,395 Speaker 1: Blacks and Hispanics in this country. CNN said nothing about that. 150 00:09:35,515 --> 00:09:38,635 Speaker 1: He lied about Biden getting money from China and called 151 00:09:38,715 --> 00:09:41,995 Speaker 1: him a Manchurian candidate, and CNN said nothing about that. 152 00:09:42,235 --> 00:09:45,635 Speaker 1: He lied about Biden paying for hostages, and CNN said 153 00:09:45,635 --> 00:09:47,755 Speaker 1: nothing about that. In point of fact, off the top 154 00:09:47,795 --> 00:09:50,475 Speaker 1: of my head, I know what that was. That was 155 00:09:50,515 --> 00:09:54,515 Speaker 1: the United States of America unfreezing frozen Iranian assets as 156 00:09:54,555 --> 00:09:57,515 Speaker 1: part of a deal to get people back from that country. 157 00:09:57,675 --> 00:10:01,475 Speaker 1: He lied about the country failing. He lied about acing 158 00:10:01,515 --> 00:10:04,435 Speaker 1: a cognitive test. That's probably the thousandth time he's lied 159 00:10:04,435 --> 00:10:06,955 Speaker 1: about that. The cognitive test, by the way, is the 160 00:10:06,995 --> 00:10:09,115 Speaker 1: screening one to determine whether or not they need to 161 00:10:09,115 --> 00:10:11,075 Speaker 1: put you in a straight jacket when you come in, 162 00:10:11,515 --> 00:10:13,515 Speaker 1: and of course Trump needs to be in a straight jacket, 163 00:10:13,555 --> 00:10:16,515 Speaker 1: and CNN said nothing about that lie. He lied about 164 00:10:16,555 --> 00:10:19,435 Speaker 1: winning at golf, He lied about the golf tournaments. He 165 00:10:19,515 --> 00:10:24,435 Speaker 1: lied about not being a supporter an inducer of political violence. 166 00:10:24,955 --> 00:10:28,955 Speaker 1: Someone there should have said, had anybody thought about stochastic terrorism? 167 00:10:29,155 --> 00:10:32,675 Speaker 1: Did anybody at CNN suggest that perhaps that should be said? No? 168 00:10:33,435 --> 00:10:36,355 Speaker 1: Trump lied, and CNN said nothing in response. He lied 169 00:10:36,395 --> 00:10:41,355 Speaker 1: about the police ushering in the coup members his stochastic terrorists. 170 00:10:41,515 --> 00:10:45,875 Speaker 1: On January sixth, He lied about accepting the election results, 171 00:10:45,995 --> 00:10:48,475 Speaker 1: and then later came back and explained how he was 172 00:10:48,555 --> 00:10:51,915 Speaker 1: lying about accepting the election results this November, and CNN 173 00:10:51,955 --> 00:10:54,515 Speaker 1: said nothing about that. He lied about why he had 174 00:10:54,555 --> 00:10:58,395 Speaker 1: been indicted and who was responsible for being indicted. The answer, 175 00:10:58,475 --> 00:11:00,955 Speaker 1: of course to that was he who was responsible for 176 00:11:01,035 --> 00:11:05,675 Speaker 1: him being indicted by committing crimes? Andn said nothing about that. 177 00:11:05,915 --> 00:11:08,915 Speaker 1: He lied about again the United States being a failing nation. 178 00:11:09,275 --> 00:11:12,195 Speaker 1: He lied about fraud in the twenty twenty election. As 179 00:11:12,235 --> 00:11:15,035 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, CNN had promised that of all the 180 00:11:15,075 --> 00:11:17,555 Speaker 1: lies Trump could say, that would be the one they 181 00:11:17,555 --> 00:11:19,955 Speaker 1: would not let him get away with, and Dana Bash 182 00:11:19,995 --> 00:11:23,035 Speaker 1: and Jake Tapper let him get away with it. He 183 00:11:23,115 --> 00:11:27,075 Speaker 1: lied about somehow going to Europe in his closing statement. 184 00:11:27,315 --> 00:11:30,075 Speaker 1: Apparently the vets are supposed to go to Europe for treatment. 185 00:11:30,275 --> 00:11:33,995 Speaker 1: It wasn't clear, and he lied, and CNN said nothing 186 00:11:34,035 --> 00:11:36,755 Speaker 1: about it. And as I suggest, I believe the actual 187 00:11:36,795 --> 00:11:39,355 Speaker 1: list is probably about three times as long as the 188 00:11:39,355 --> 00:11:41,875 Speaker 1: one I've just read you. Those were the low lights 189 00:11:41,875 --> 00:11:45,355 Speaker 1: in an extraordinary performance, and extraordinary meant in the worst 190 00:11:45,395 --> 00:11:51,115 Speaker 1: possible way in that word could meet. The lies are 191 00:11:51,995 --> 00:11:56,315 Speaker 1: on the record now, and the lies have been resonating 192 00:11:56,395 --> 00:11:59,155 Speaker 1: through this country through social media for the last two 193 00:11:59,195 --> 00:12:03,075 Speaker 1: hours because CNN did not do its job. I'm telling 194 00:12:03,115 --> 00:12:06,075 Speaker 1: you this from personal ex experience. It's not an easy 195 00:12:06,115 --> 00:12:08,955 Speaker 1: thing to sit there and try to run a television 196 00:12:08,995 --> 00:12:12,675 Speaker 1: show while you are asking two presidential candidates or eight 197 00:12:12,795 --> 00:12:15,795 Speaker 1: presidential candidates questions that are vital to the future and 198 00:12:15,835 --> 00:12:18,715 Speaker 1: the security and the safety of this nation. It's not 199 00:12:18,835 --> 00:12:21,555 Speaker 1: an easy task. It is not as difficult as those 200 00:12:21,555 --> 00:12:24,235 Speaker 1: two idiots made it look tonight. And you can, in 201 00:12:24,275 --> 00:12:28,195 Speaker 1: fact make a few moral judgments and judgments that are 202 00:12:28,195 --> 00:12:31,555 Speaker 1: responsible to the American people, and judgments that are responsible 203 00:12:31,795 --> 00:12:35,235 Speaker 1: to your oaths that you take internally in your own 204 00:12:35,395 --> 00:12:37,875 Speaker 1: soul about what you're going to do if you get 205 00:12:37,915 --> 00:12:40,195 Speaker 1: the big anchor job, Dana Bash, or if you get 206 00:12:40,235 --> 00:12:42,875 Speaker 1: the big anchor job Jake Tapper, if you go Jake 207 00:12:42,915 --> 00:12:45,395 Speaker 1: Tapper from being a guy who once went out with 208 00:12:45,475 --> 00:12:47,915 Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky, is the greatest and most famous thing in 209 00:12:47,955 --> 00:12:50,835 Speaker 1: your resume to being the anchor or co anchor of 210 00:12:50,875 --> 00:12:54,355 Speaker 1: a presidential debate. If you get that dream come true, 211 00:12:54,395 --> 00:12:56,915 Speaker 1: where you go from running joke to the role of 212 00:12:57,115 --> 00:13:00,675 Speaker 1: anchor of the first co anchor of the first presidential 213 00:13:00,715 --> 00:13:04,155 Speaker 1: debate in the most important election in this country in 214 00:13:04,235 --> 00:13:06,995 Speaker 1: at least the time since eighteen sixty four, probably in 215 00:13:07,035 --> 00:13:09,075 Speaker 1: the whole of our history. If you go from that 216 00:13:09,195 --> 00:13:12,995 Speaker 1: one laughingstock to this position of importance, you should take 217 00:13:12,995 --> 00:13:16,675 Speaker 1: it goddamn seriously and not let a bastard intent on 218 00:13:16,795 --> 00:13:20,235 Speaker 1: putting your network out of business putting you behind bars, 219 00:13:20,355 --> 00:13:22,675 Speaker 1: putting in the rest of us who depose him and 220 00:13:22,755 --> 00:13:25,475 Speaker 1: in some way have fought against him these last ten years. 221 00:13:25,675 --> 00:13:29,635 Speaker 1: Donald Trump wants Jake Tapper in jail or at least unemployed, 222 00:13:29,795 --> 00:13:33,195 Speaker 1: or at least in his employ servicing him as he 223 00:13:33,275 --> 00:13:35,755 Speaker 1: turns the media of this nation into a bunch of 224 00:13:35,915 --> 00:13:39,155 Speaker 1: nodding head dolls agreeing with him as fascism comes to 225 00:13:39,195 --> 00:13:42,075 Speaker 1: the United States of America. And Jake Tapper and Dana 226 00:13:42,155 --> 00:13:46,995 Speaker 1: Bash and the new CNN chief Robinson were too stupid 227 00:13:47,035 --> 00:13:49,595 Speaker 1: to know, are too stupid to know that they were 228 00:13:49,635 --> 00:13:53,915 Speaker 1: out there slitting their own throats and building their own gallows. Tonight, 229 00:13:56,115 --> 00:13:59,235 Speaker 1: I want to give one piece of news that ordinarily 230 00:13:59,235 --> 00:14:01,075 Speaker 1: would have been the lead story, and it may be 231 00:14:01,155 --> 00:14:05,315 Speaker 1: the lead story going from this first debate. If debate 232 00:14:05,395 --> 00:14:07,875 Speaker 1: is the right term. This is closer to another live 233 00:14:07,955 --> 00:14:10,435 Speaker 1: town hall than anything else. It might have been described 234 00:14:10,435 --> 00:14:13,475 Speaker 1: as Joe Biden according to several sources. It was first 235 00:14:13,555 --> 00:14:16,635 Speaker 1: reported by NBC, who's quoting two unnamed sources, and then 236 00:14:16,675 --> 00:14:20,075 Speaker 1: by the Associated Press. Joe Biden went through this debate 237 00:14:20,115 --> 00:14:23,635 Speaker 1: despite the fact that he was diagnosed. If diagnosed is 238 00:14:23,635 --> 00:14:26,835 Speaker 1: not too strong a term with it with a cold 239 00:14:27,075 --> 00:14:29,755 Speaker 1: before this event, so that when he came out sounding 240 00:14:29,795 --> 00:14:32,955 Speaker 1: as hoarse as he did, and sounding rehearsed and looking 241 00:14:33,035 --> 00:14:35,155 Speaker 1: kind of blank at the beginning, and he did not 242 00:14:35,355 --> 00:14:38,435 Speaker 1: really get started. Nobody will question that he did not 243 00:14:38,515 --> 00:14:40,675 Speaker 1: get started for the first twenty or thirty minutes of this. 244 00:14:40,875 --> 00:14:43,755 Speaker 1: He did leave a bad impression, there's no getting around that. 245 00:14:44,035 --> 00:14:46,995 Speaker 1: But there is a mitigating factor that he had a cold. 246 00:14:47,035 --> 00:14:49,955 Speaker 1: And as silly as that sounds, oh, he's going to 247 00:14:49,955 --> 00:14:52,395 Speaker 1: blame it on having a cold. Let us remember that 248 00:14:52,435 --> 00:14:56,955 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty it was absolutely the case that John F. Kennedy, 249 00:14:56,995 --> 00:15:00,715 Speaker 1: who was a little known senator from Massachusetts, was elevated 250 00:15:00,915 --> 00:15:03,835 Speaker 1: to basically equality with the sitting Vice President of the 251 00:15:03,915 --> 00:15:08,075 Speaker 1: United States Nixon in the debates, the first debate when Nixon, 252 00:15:08,115 --> 00:15:11,555 Speaker 1: who had had I believe it was it was not pneumonia, 253 00:15:11,555 --> 00:15:14,715 Speaker 1: it was a staff infection. He'd been hospitalized. He looked 254 00:15:14,795 --> 00:15:17,955 Speaker 1: gray as anything. They didn't make him up very well, 255 00:15:17,955 --> 00:15:19,835 Speaker 1: and he came on television and he looked like death 256 00:15:19,875 --> 00:15:23,035 Speaker 1: warmed over without the without the warmed over part, and 257 00:15:23,075 --> 00:15:28,675 Speaker 1: he faced Kennedy robust, glowing, tanned, apparently on several medications, 258 00:15:28,675 --> 00:15:31,035 Speaker 1: as it later turned out for his various diseases we 259 00:15:31,115 --> 00:15:33,635 Speaker 1: did not know about if you talk about jacked up, 260 00:15:34,115 --> 00:15:36,675 Speaker 1: but Kennedy came out of nowhere and was given at 261 00:15:36,675 --> 00:15:41,235 Speaker 1: the end of that debate essentially equal status thereafter with 262 00:15:41,315 --> 00:15:45,595 Speaker 1: Richard Nixon in the nineteen sixty campaign, because Richard Nixon 263 00:15:45,795 --> 00:15:48,875 Speaker 1: had been hospitalized and looked bad on camera. So the 264 00:15:48,955 --> 00:15:51,795 Speaker 1: idea that Joe Biden had a cold as a bad excuse, 265 00:15:52,155 --> 00:15:54,955 Speaker 1: it rings kind of hollow. It can be the sort 266 00:15:54,955 --> 00:15:57,995 Speaker 1: of thing that changes American history, especially if you combine 267 00:15:58,035 --> 00:16:02,195 Speaker 1: that with the network doing the debate, violating every principle 268 00:16:02,235 --> 00:16:04,275 Speaker 1: of journalism. And I'd add, if you want to go 269 00:16:04,275 --> 00:16:07,155 Speaker 1: a little bit further than this, one of the great 270 00:16:07,355 --> 00:16:12,035 Speaker 1: metaphors for failure, for decisive, career ending failure in the 271 00:16:12,075 --> 00:16:14,315 Speaker 1: history of this country, in the history of the world 272 00:16:14,355 --> 00:16:17,475 Speaker 1: for the last two hundred odd years is Napoleon losing 273 00:16:17,555 --> 00:16:21,035 Speaker 1: at Waterloo. It's been in everything from long movies to 274 00:16:21,195 --> 00:16:26,955 Speaker 1: two long movies to Abba songs. Waterloo. Napoleon apparently had 275 00:16:27,035 --> 00:16:31,115 Speaker 1: a gastro intestinal attack on the morning of Waterloo. We 276 00:16:31,275 --> 00:16:34,915 Speaker 1: can't discount this. The idea that Joe Biden had a 277 00:16:34,955 --> 00:16:38,275 Speaker 1: cold tested negative for COVID by the way he had 278 00:16:38,275 --> 00:16:40,555 Speaker 1: the test, and like the debate in twenty twenty, when 279 00:16:41,395 --> 00:16:45,595 Speaker 1: Trump went on stage with an active COVID infection, told 280 00:16:45,675 --> 00:16:50,395 Speaker 1: no one and exposed Biden to it. The COVID test 281 00:16:50,475 --> 00:16:53,675 Speaker 1: was taken by President Biden and he tested negative and 282 00:16:53,715 --> 00:16:56,395 Speaker 1: proceeded with the debate. History will judge whether or not 283 00:16:56,675 --> 00:16:58,915 Speaker 1: that was a good decision or a bad one, but 284 00:16:58,995 --> 00:17:03,075 Speaker 1: it was an honest one and it had consequences that 285 00:17:03,155 --> 00:17:04,915 Speaker 1: Joe Biden will have to deal with, as the rest 286 00:17:04,915 --> 00:17:18,115 Speaker 1: of us will for the rest of this campaign. I 287 00:17:18,235 --> 00:17:21,235 Speaker 1: did want to start to review some of the things 288 00:17:21,395 --> 00:17:23,435 Speaker 1: that were said and use some of the clips that 289 00:17:23,435 --> 00:17:26,235 Speaker 1: we have gotten for you that I think exemplify what 290 00:17:26,275 --> 00:17:30,315 Speaker 1: we saw both from the CNN failures and the unstopping, 291 00:17:30,915 --> 00:17:35,715 Speaker 1: ceaseless sophistry and sophistry, or the highlights, the legitimate parts, 292 00:17:35,955 --> 00:17:39,235 Speaker 1: the relatively honest parts of Donald Trump's performance, and then 293 00:17:39,315 --> 00:17:41,995 Speaker 1: talk about what they mean and what the reaction would be. 294 00:17:42,235 --> 00:17:44,955 Speaker 1: And remember that you and I, who have been living 295 00:17:45,035 --> 00:17:48,275 Speaker 1: and breathing this for a year, two years, ten years, 296 00:17:48,715 --> 00:17:51,555 Speaker 1: we have one viewpoint of this. Consider how many of 297 00:17:51,595 --> 00:17:54,475 Speaker 1: the one hundred and ten, perhaps million people who watch 298 00:17:54,595 --> 00:17:57,595 Speaker 1: this just now in some form, we're seeing these two 299 00:17:57,675 --> 00:18:00,755 Speaker 1: men for the first time in the context of even 300 00:18:00,755 --> 00:18:02,555 Speaker 1: beginning to think about who they're going to vote for, 301 00:18:02,875 --> 00:18:05,075 Speaker 1: and what the impact would be not just of Joe 302 00:18:05,075 --> 00:18:08,315 Speaker 1: Biden halting at the start and coughing at the start 303 00:18:08,475 --> 00:18:10,955 Speaker 1: and being rehearsed at the start and having a cold, 304 00:18:11,155 --> 00:18:14,435 Speaker 1: but what the effect would be of seeing Donald Trump 305 00:18:14,435 --> 00:18:17,315 Speaker 1: for the first time doing what he did tonight. And 306 00:18:17,435 --> 00:18:19,675 Speaker 1: one of the things that perhaps will resonate for those 307 00:18:19,715 --> 00:18:23,155 Speaker 1: who were still watching by that point was Trump threatening 308 00:18:23,355 --> 00:18:27,235 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, calling him a potential convicted felon, and saying 309 00:18:27,275 --> 00:18:29,115 Speaker 1: that he was the innocent one and that if he 310 00:18:29,195 --> 00:18:32,715 Speaker 1: became president again, yes, all of our worst fears are 311 00:18:32,915 --> 00:18:36,115 Speaker 1: in fact accurate. He will try to prosecute Biden. 312 00:18:36,235 --> 00:18:39,235 Speaker 2: Telling the Ukrainian people that we're going to want a 313 00:18:39,235 --> 00:18:42,235 Speaker 2: billion dollars or you change the prosecutor. Otherwise you're not 314 00:18:42,275 --> 00:18:45,075 Speaker 2: getting a billion dollars. If I ever said that, that's 315 00:18:45,155 --> 00:18:48,395 Speaker 2: quid pro quo, that we're not going to do anything. 316 00:18:48,635 --> 00:18:50,315 Speaker 2: We're not going to give you a billion dollars unless 317 00:18:50,355 --> 00:18:52,475 Speaker 2: you change you prosecutor. Having to do with the son, 318 00:18:53,115 --> 00:18:54,275 Speaker 2: this man is a criminal. 319 00:18:54,595 --> 00:18:56,475 Speaker 3: This man you're lucky. You're lucky. 320 00:18:56,675 --> 00:18:57,715 Speaker 1: I did nothing wrong. 321 00:18:58,035 --> 00:19:00,795 Speaker 2: We'd have a system that was rigged and disgusting. I 322 00:19:00,835 --> 00:19:01,635 Speaker 2: did nothing wrong. 323 00:19:01,835 --> 00:19:05,115 Speaker 4: Thank you, President Trump, President Biden, you have said right. 324 00:19:05,035 --> 00:19:05,435 Speaker 1: To you, sir. 325 00:19:05,875 --> 00:19:07,755 Speaker 4: You well you want to respond, go ahead, I'll give 326 00:19:07,755 --> 00:19:08,555 Speaker 4: you a minute to respond. 327 00:19:08,915 --> 00:19:12,955 Speaker 5: The idea that I did anything wrong relative what you're 328 00:19:12,955 --> 00:19:14,315 Speaker 5: talking about is outrageous. 329 00:19:14,715 --> 00:19:16,435 Speaker 3: It's simply a lie. Number one. 330 00:19:16,755 --> 00:19:19,315 Speaker 5: Number two, The idea that you have a right to 331 00:19:19,355 --> 00:19:23,275 Speaker 5: seek retribution against any American just because your president is 332 00:19:23,355 --> 00:19:24,755 Speaker 5: wrong is simply wrong. 333 00:19:24,835 --> 00:19:26,715 Speaker 3: No president's ever spoken like that before. 334 00:19:27,355 --> 00:19:31,395 Speaker 5: The idea that I did anything wrong relative what you're 335 00:19:31,395 --> 00:19:32,755 Speaker 5: talking about is outrageous. 336 00:19:33,155 --> 00:19:34,875 Speaker 3: It's simply a lie. Number one. 337 00:19:35,195 --> 00:19:37,755 Speaker 5: Number two, The idea that you have a right to 338 00:19:37,795 --> 00:19:41,875 Speaker 5: seek retribution against any American just because your president is. 339 00:19:41,795 --> 00:19:45,195 Speaker 3: Wrong is simply wrong. No president's ever spoken like that before. 340 00:19:45,475 --> 00:19:47,835 Speaker 3: No president in our history is spoken like that before. 341 00:19:48,195 --> 00:19:51,555 Speaker 5: Number three, the crimes that you are still charged with, 342 00:19:51,595 --> 00:19:53,475 Speaker 5: and think of all the civil pedaltis you have. How 343 00:19:53,475 --> 00:19:55,955 Speaker 5: many billions of dollars do you own in civil penalties 344 00:19:56,315 --> 00:19:59,755 Speaker 5: for molesting a woman in public, for doing a whole 345 00:19:59,875 --> 00:20:02,915 Speaker 5: range of things, of having sex with a porn star, 346 00:20:03,355 --> 00:20:06,115 Speaker 5: on the night while your wife was pregnant. 347 00:20:06,875 --> 00:20:10,235 Speaker 3: What are you talking about? You have the morals of 348 00:20:10,275 --> 00:20:13,435 Speaker 3: an alley cat. Give a minute, Sir, I didn't have 349 00:20:13,475 --> 00:20:14,515 Speaker 3: sex with the porn star. 350 00:20:14,995 --> 00:20:18,155 Speaker 1: Former president of the United States says, I didn't have 351 00:20:18,235 --> 00:20:21,635 Speaker 1: sex with a porn star. Maybe they can make that 352 00:20:21,675 --> 00:20:27,435 Speaker 1: into his epitaph. Donald Trump succeeded in what Donald Trump 353 00:20:27,515 --> 00:20:32,635 Speaker 1: does best, bullshit people into their doom. He succeeded throughout 354 00:20:32,675 --> 00:20:35,875 Speaker 1: the night. There is no getting around that. As bad 355 00:20:36,075 --> 00:20:38,995 Speaker 1: an impact as Joe Biden and his cold and the 356 00:20:39,035 --> 00:20:42,635 Speaker 1: initial halting nature of his performance tonight will have on 357 00:20:42,715 --> 00:20:46,115 Speaker 1: his campaign, whether it measures as one to one millionth 358 00:20:46,155 --> 00:20:48,995 Speaker 1: of a percent or it measures as five percent, it 359 00:20:49,075 --> 00:20:52,355 Speaker 1: was matched by the fact that because again this format 360 00:20:52,515 --> 00:20:56,475 Speaker 1: not only allowed Trump to concentrate on his lies and 361 00:20:56,595 --> 00:20:59,395 Speaker 1: his performance, but there was no pushback. There was not 362 00:20:59,435 --> 00:21:02,395 Speaker 1: going to be any pushback. The pushback could only come 363 00:21:02,395 --> 00:21:04,875 Speaker 1: from Biden. He had to devote about half of what 364 00:21:04,995 --> 00:21:07,435 Speaker 1: he was saying. Half of his time had to be 365 00:21:07,475 --> 00:21:10,435 Speaker 1: devoted to doing the fact checking job that CNN should 366 00:21:10,435 --> 00:21:13,035 Speaker 1: have done, as and again that CNN did even in 367 00:21:13,075 --> 00:21:16,955 Speaker 1: its failure in the town hall with Caitlin Collins last year. 368 00:21:17,275 --> 00:21:21,915 Speaker 1: But that look Trump throughout was sweating and sneering. Not 369 00:21:22,035 --> 00:21:24,195 Speaker 1: only if that line of the night from Trump was 370 00:21:24,235 --> 00:21:26,955 Speaker 1: not I didn't have sex with a porn star. He 371 00:21:26,995 --> 00:21:29,435 Speaker 1: also had an infamous quote about how we had great 372 00:21:29,715 --> 00:21:32,715 Speaker 1: H two oh at some point that environmentally we were 373 00:21:32,715 --> 00:21:35,675 Speaker 1: better off under him, when he's just demanded a billion 374 00:21:35,715 --> 00:21:39,155 Speaker 1: dollars from the nation's oil producers in exchange for rolling 375 00:21:39,235 --> 00:21:43,955 Speaker 1: back all possible restrictions on them polluting the planet and 376 00:21:44,035 --> 00:21:46,755 Speaker 1: taking this next five year period which we'll decide whether 377 00:21:46,835 --> 00:21:49,915 Speaker 1: or not life survives on this planet, and selling it 378 00:21:49,955 --> 00:21:52,035 Speaker 1: for one billion dollars so he can go to the 379 00:21:52,075 --> 00:21:55,155 Speaker 1: White House instead of the Big House. There was a 380 00:21:55,235 --> 00:21:58,675 Speaker 1: succession of these events. There was a succession of these comments. 381 00:21:58,835 --> 00:22:03,635 Speaker 1: There was a succession of Trump failures and Trump revelations 382 00:22:03,675 --> 00:22:06,475 Speaker 1: about who he is and what he intends to do. 383 00:22:06,875 --> 00:22:08,795 Speaker 1: But I think we do need to look at what 384 00:22:08,915 --> 00:22:11,955 Speaker 1: where we started, which was the President of the United 385 00:22:11,995 --> 00:22:15,995 Speaker 1: States essentially getting lost within the first ten minutes of 386 00:22:15,995 --> 00:22:21,235 Speaker 1: this having sounded rehearsed, having been coughing, and trying to 387 00:22:21,315 --> 00:22:24,835 Speaker 1: explain the issue of improvements. It did not go well. 388 00:22:24,995 --> 00:22:27,515 Speaker 1: You will see this clip again. There will be a 389 00:22:27,675 --> 00:22:30,315 Speaker 1: need to explain this, and we will need to do 390 00:22:30,595 --> 00:22:33,235 Speaker 1: or the president will need to do damage control about 391 00:22:33,275 --> 00:22:34,315 Speaker 1: how this sounded. 392 00:22:34,435 --> 00:22:36,635 Speaker 4: President Biden, I want to give you an opportunity to 393 00:22:36,635 --> 00:22:38,795 Speaker 4: respond to this question about the national debt. 394 00:22:39,355 --> 00:22:41,715 Speaker 5: He had the largest national debt of any president four 395 00:22:41,795 --> 00:22:45,475 Speaker 5: year period. Number one, Number two, he got two trillion 396 00:22:45,515 --> 00:22:49,355 Speaker 5: dollar tasks benefited the very wealthy. What I'm going to 397 00:22:49,355 --> 00:22:51,755 Speaker 5: do is fix the taxes. And for example, we have 398 00:22:51,835 --> 00:22:55,595 Speaker 5: one thousand trillionaires in America, I mean billionaires in America, 399 00:22:55,675 --> 00:22:58,755 Speaker 5: and what's happening. They're in a situation where they in 400 00:22:58,795 --> 00:23:01,555 Speaker 5: fact paid eight point two percent in taxes. If they 401 00:23:01,595 --> 00:23:06,155 Speaker 5: just paid twenty four twenty five percent numbers, they'd raised 402 00:23:06,235 --> 00:23:09,555 Speaker 5: five hundred million dollars billion dollars. I should say in 403 00:23:09,595 --> 00:23:11,795 Speaker 5: a ten year period, we'd be able to write wipe 404 00:23:11,835 --> 00:23:13,955 Speaker 5: out his debt. We'd be able to help make sure 405 00:23:13,995 --> 00:23:17,235 Speaker 5: that all those things we need to do, childcare, elder care, 406 00:23:17,475 --> 00:23:19,835 Speaker 5: making sure that we continue to suppreent it stand in 407 00:23:19,875 --> 00:23:22,475 Speaker 5: our healthcare system, making sure that we're able to make 408 00:23:22,595 --> 00:23:27,355 Speaker 5: every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able 409 00:23:27,435 --> 00:23:30,835 Speaker 5: to do with the with the COVID, I was could 410 00:23:30,875 --> 00:23:34,635 Speaker 5: be with dealing with everything we have to do with. 411 00:23:36,475 --> 00:23:40,995 Speaker 3: Look if we finally beat. 412 00:23:40,915 --> 00:23:43,915 Speaker 1: Medicare, and that's where that ended. And it ended in 413 00:23:43,955 --> 00:23:46,595 Speaker 1: part because, as they said they would, they turned the 414 00:23:46,635 --> 00:23:50,755 Speaker 1: microphones off. It's bad if you have to go out 415 00:23:50,835 --> 00:23:53,515 Speaker 1: and do that kind of thing, a debate with a 416 00:23:53,595 --> 00:23:58,795 Speaker 1: cold and with an hostile environment such as CNN created 417 00:23:59,155 --> 00:24:02,435 Speaker 1: for its own purposes, and whatever the reasons were, it's 418 00:24:02,635 --> 00:24:05,155 Speaker 1: a little worse when the microphone shuts off as you 419 00:24:05,155 --> 00:24:09,155 Speaker 1: are beginning to explain. As I see that clip again, 420 00:24:09,755 --> 00:24:12,715 Speaker 1: I think that the initial impact of where we thought 421 00:24:12,755 --> 00:24:15,555 Speaker 1: we would be compared to say, the night of the 422 00:24:15,555 --> 00:24:18,235 Speaker 1: State of the Union address, I think the initial impact 423 00:24:18,355 --> 00:24:21,715 Speaker 1: was far worse than the clip looked like. The clip 424 00:24:22,315 --> 00:24:26,635 Speaker 1: is a lack of success. The clip is a little 425 00:24:26,675 --> 00:24:30,515 Speaker 1: bit lost in the number of details, all the good 426 00:24:30,675 --> 00:24:32,835 Speaker 1: and good for the country that he's trying to get 427 00:24:32,875 --> 00:24:36,275 Speaker 1: out over his own sense of I may have to 428 00:24:36,315 --> 00:24:39,475 Speaker 1: cough again, as we saw him repeatedly bring his closed 429 00:24:39,595 --> 00:24:42,515 Speaker 1: hand to his face to clear his throat and to cough. 430 00:24:42,875 --> 00:24:45,995 Speaker 1: So I think again there will be an impact on this. 431 00:24:46,355 --> 00:24:50,515 Speaker 1: But I believe the ship which was rocking on happily 432 00:24:50,555 --> 00:24:53,355 Speaker 1: in the first twenty minutes of this debate steadied itself. 433 00:24:53,475 --> 00:24:55,835 Speaker 1: As time went by for the President of the United States, 434 00:24:56,035 --> 00:24:59,115 Speaker 1: and in fact, as people began to hear more of 435 00:24:59,155 --> 00:25:01,795 Speaker 1: what Trump was saying and what he was planning, I 436 00:25:01,835 --> 00:25:04,475 Speaker 1: think things got worse and worse. If this had been 437 00:25:04,515 --> 00:25:06,835 Speaker 1: a twenty minute debate, there would have been no question 438 00:25:06,915 --> 00:25:09,355 Speaker 1: that Trump would have come away with a complete triumph. 439 00:25:09,595 --> 00:25:11,595 Speaker 1: It was not a twenty minute debate. It was an 440 00:25:11,595 --> 00:25:14,195 Speaker 1: hour and a half, and I actually think that Biden 441 00:25:14,315 --> 00:25:17,115 Speaker 1: managed to pull off at least a tie against Trump 442 00:25:17,395 --> 00:25:20,875 Speaker 1: and his partner CNN. We have a further update. And 443 00:25:20,915 --> 00:25:23,915 Speaker 1: it's ironic because one of the best people working in 444 00:25:24,035 --> 00:25:27,595 Speaker 1: media today, who was in a Toronto newspaper. I don't 445 00:25:27,635 --> 00:25:30,555 Speaker 1: think I got him a better job, but in twenty 446 00:25:30,795 --> 00:25:35,475 Speaker 1: sixteen I repeatedly pumped his work. His name is Daniel Dale, 447 00:25:35,555 --> 00:25:37,875 Speaker 1: and he's an excellent fact checker, and he is now 448 00:25:37,915 --> 00:25:41,675 Speaker 1: with CNN and he has posted, along with his colleague 449 00:25:41,715 --> 00:25:46,955 Speaker 1: Holmes Librand, a commentary essentially a full detailed analysis of 450 00:25:47,035 --> 00:25:49,875 Speaker 1: the one fact check. Here it is. It should have 451 00:25:49,995 --> 00:25:54,355 Speaker 1: been on CNN during the debate. In fact, it's just here. 452 00:25:55,235 --> 00:25:59,075 Speaker 1: I'm holding it in my hand like I'm Lauren Bobert, 453 00:25:59,915 --> 00:26:03,355 Speaker 1: CNN fact Check. Trump falsely claims Biden has used the 454 00:26:03,435 --> 00:26:06,995 Speaker 1: term super predators. What he's done to the black population 455 00:26:07,115 --> 00:26:09,435 Speaker 1: is horrible, Trump said, including the fact that for ten 456 00:26:09,515 --> 00:26:12,675 Speaker 1: years he called them super predators in the nineteen nineties. 457 00:26:12,715 --> 00:26:15,795 Speaker 1: We can't forget that. Facts first Trump claim is false. 458 00:26:16,035 --> 00:26:19,555 Speaker 1: Biden never publicly deployed the phrase super predators or endorsed 459 00:26:19,555 --> 00:26:22,355 Speaker 1: the criminological theory behind it, which held that there was 460 00:26:22,395 --> 00:26:26,555 Speaker 1: a new breed of highly and remorseless, violent young offenders. Biden, however, 461 00:26:26,595 --> 00:26:29,835 Speaker 1: did refer to predators on our streets who were beyond 462 00:26:29,915 --> 00:26:33,075 Speaker 1: the pale while promoting the nineteen ninety four crime Bill. 463 00:26:33,475 --> 00:26:36,515 Speaker 1: There is an extraordinary difference between that, because there are 464 00:26:36,995 --> 00:26:40,155 Speaker 1: at any point in American history, there have been predators 465 00:26:40,235 --> 00:26:43,475 Speaker 1: on our streets. I'm going to do the commentary here. 466 00:26:43,515 --> 00:26:46,315 Speaker 1: That's why you're tuned in. I presume unless something has 467 00:26:46,355 --> 00:26:49,475 Speaker 1: gone wrong with your YouTube experience and you're looking for 468 00:26:50,595 --> 00:26:54,515 Speaker 1: well Lauren Bobert video. But if you would mind for 469 00:26:54,595 --> 00:26:57,195 Speaker 1: a moment while I bring in somebody else's comment from Twitter. 470 00:26:57,275 --> 00:27:01,755 Speaker 1: Ex Megan McCain, who has periodic bouts of common sense 471 00:27:02,755 --> 00:27:06,035 Speaker 1: amid most of what she does, which is complaining about 472 00:27:06,075 --> 00:27:09,475 Speaker 1: how the world has mistreated Meghan McCain. Meghan McCain said, 473 00:27:09,515 --> 00:27:12,315 Speaker 1: this is the most stressful debate I've ever watched, and 474 00:27:12,435 --> 00:27:16,315 Speaker 1: my parent was a nominee against Obama. I think we 475 00:27:16,395 --> 00:27:21,475 Speaker 1: can for once hold hands with Megan McCain and say, yes, 476 00:27:21,755 --> 00:27:27,595 Speaker 1: it was pretty damn stressful the failure of the CNN 477 00:27:27,915 --> 00:27:30,955 Speaker 1: approach to this. And again, I don't want to claim 478 00:27:31,075 --> 00:27:33,995 Speaker 1: that I am some sort of savant, because I suggested 479 00:27:33,995 --> 00:27:38,635 Speaker 1: in the podcast on Wednesday that this was absolutely imperative 480 00:27:38,675 --> 00:27:41,235 Speaker 1: that they not do what they announced just in passing 481 00:27:41,355 --> 00:27:44,355 Speaker 1: that there would be no fact check. That's not some 482 00:27:44,395 --> 00:27:48,235 Speaker 1: sort of extraordinary insight. That's not some sort of I'm 483 00:27:48,275 --> 00:27:50,195 Speaker 1: the only person in the world who could have thought that. 484 00:27:50,555 --> 00:27:53,075 Speaker 1: We saw just now for an hour and a half 485 00:27:53,235 --> 00:27:58,235 Speaker 1: the consequences of not living up to journalistic responsibilities. For 486 00:27:58,275 --> 00:28:01,915 Speaker 1: whatever reason, I've speculated before that CNN's new right wing 487 00:28:01,955 --> 00:28:05,355 Speaker 1: ownership is preparing for a Trump presidency and it's trying 488 00:28:05,395 --> 00:28:08,075 Speaker 1: to mitigate the damage he will do to them. As 489 00:28:08,195 --> 00:28:10,715 Speaker 1: all the networks and all the news organizations have had 490 00:28:10,755 --> 00:28:13,115 Speaker 1: the meeting, what do we do in the worst case 491 00:28:13,155 --> 00:28:16,355 Speaker 1: scenario where Trump is president again and comes for us. 492 00:28:16,555 --> 00:28:18,955 Speaker 1: What can we point to to save ourselves? It is 493 00:28:19,035 --> 00:28:22,795 Speaker 1: presumably similar to what those who criticized Hitler in the 494 00:28:22,795 --> 00:28:26,115 Speaker 1: German press in the twenties and thirties began to wonder 495 00:28:26,195 --> 00:28:29,195 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty thirty one, in nineteen thirty two, and 496 00:28:29,315 --> 00:28:31,875 Speaker 1: so perhaps and I don't know that this was behind 497 00:28:31,955 --> 00:28:34,635 Speaker 1: the decisions by David Shalien and the new heads of 498 00:28:34,675 --> 00:28:37,155 Speaker 1: CNN to do it tonight, but I do know that 499 00:28:37,155 --> 00:28:40,195 Speaker 1: they've had these conversations. What can we do to at 500 00:28:40,275 --> 00:28:44,555 Speaker 1: least show that we are not opposed to Trump, that 501 00:28:44,755 --> 00:28:52,235 Speaker 1: this environment was behind the worst part of their abrogation, 502 00:28:52,435 --> 00:28:56,675 Speaker 1: their failure to fact check when they pumped Trump or 503 00:28:56,715 --> 00:29:00,435 Speaker 1: should have pumped Trump about January sixth, when they finally 504 00:29:00,435 --> 00:29:05,235 Speaker 1: got around thirty nine minutes into this fiasco about some 505 00:29:05,355 --> 00:29:09,275 Speaker 1: question about Trump's culpability, Trump's attempt to overthrow the government, 506 00:29:09,355 --> 00:29:13,195 Speaker 1: Trump's attempt to bribe people into testifying that he won 507 00:29:13,275 --> 00:29:17,555 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and Joe Biden did not his continuing lies, 508 00:29:17,755 --> 00:29:23,515 Speaker 1: his continuing fostering of conspiracies, his continuing attempt to undermine 509 00:29:23,555 --> 00:29:26,995 Speaker 1: the very concept of truth itself. They asked him about 510 00:29:27,075 --> 00:29:31,995 Speaker 1: January sixth, and he simply did not answer about January sixth. 511 00:29:32,115 --> 00:29:35,075 Speaker 1: He took it and changed it into a date that 512 00:29:35,235 --> 00:29:38,515 Speaker 1: might have been something randomly picked out of a calendar. 513 00:29:38,675 --> 00:29:43,155 Speaker 1: January sixth became to him December the seventeenth. 514 00:29:43,435 --> 00:29:44,275 Speaker 3: I was recently in. 515 00:29:45,955 --> 00:29:49,395 Speaker 5: France for in D Day, and I spoke all about 516 00:29:49,435 --> 00:29:51,955 Speaker 5: those heroes that died. I went to the World War 517 00:29:52,035 --> 00:29:55,195 Speaker 5: II cemetery, World War One cemetery, refused to go to. 518 00:29:55,595 --> 00:29:57,835 Speaker 5: He was standing with his four star in general and 519 00:29:57,915 --> 00:29:59,315 Speaker 5: he told me said, I don't want to go in 520 00:29:59,355 --> 00:30:01,755 Speaker 5: there because they're a much a loser and suckers. My 521 00:30:01,875 --> 00:30:03,755 Speaker 5: son was not a loser, was not a sucker. 522 00:30:03,955 --> 00:30:05,555 Speaker 3: You're the sucker. You're the loser. 523 00:30:06,075 --> 00:30:06,755 Speaker 4: President Trump. 524 00:30:07,795 --> 00:30:09,675 Speaker 1: First of all, that was a made up quote. Suckers 525 00:30:09,675 --> 00:30:11,355 Speaker 1: and losers. They made it up. It was in the 526 00:30:11,435 --> 00:30:12,115 Speaker 1: third rate. 527 00:30:11,995 --> 00:30:14,635 Speaker 2: Magazine that's failing, like many of these magazines. 528 00:30:15,115 --> 00:30:15,875 Speaker 1: He made that up. 529 00:30:16,155 --> 00:30:17,395 Speaker 3: He put it in commercials. 530 00:30:17,435 --> 00:30:18,435 Speaker 1: We've notified him. 531 00:30:18,675 --> 00:30:20,875 Speaker 2: We had nineteen people that said I didn't say it, 532 00:30:20,915 --> 00:30:23,235 Speaker 2: And think of this, who would say, I'm at a 533 00:30:23,275 --> 00:30:26,835 Speaker 2: cemetery or I'm talking about our veterans because nobody's taken 534 00:30:26,955 --> 00:30:29,555 Speaker 2: better camp. So glad this came up, and he brought 535 00:30:29,555 --> 00:30:32,795 Speaker 2: it up. There's nobody that's taken better care of our 536 00:30:32,795 --> 00:30:35,875 Speaker 2: soldiers than I have to think that I would in 537 00:30:35,915 --> 00:30:38,915 Speaker 2: front of generals and others say suckers and losers. We 538 00:30:38,955 --> 00:30:42,675 Speaker 2: have nineteen people that said it was never said by me. 539 00:30:43,195 --> 00:30:45,475 Speaker 3: It was made up by him, just like Russia. Russia. 540 00:30:45,555 --> 00:30:48,675 Speaker 2: Russia was made up, just like the fifty one intelligence 541 00:30:48,955 --> 00:30:50,155 Speaker 2: agents are made up. 542 00:30:50,755 --> 00:30:51,955 Speaker 1: Just like the new thing with the. 543 00:30:51,915 --> 00:30:53,635 Speaker 2: Sixteen economists are talking. 544 00:30:53,835 --> 00:30:54,555 Speaker 3: It's the same thing. 545 00:30:54,795 --> 00:30:59,795 Speaker 2: Fifty one intelligence agents said that the laptop was Russia disinformation. 546 00:30:59,995 --> 00:31:00,555 Speaker 1: It wasn't. 547 00:31:00,795 --> 00:31:04,555 Speaker 2: That came from his son Hunter. It wasn't Russia disinformation. 548 00:31:04,915 --> 00:31:07,595 Speaker 2: He made up the suckers and losers. So he should 549 00:31:07,635 --> 00:31:09,115 Speaker 2: apologize to me right now. 550 00:31:09,755 --> 00:31:12,755 Speaker 5: Four star general standards side was on your staff who 551 00:31:12,795 --> 00:31:14,515 Speaker 5: said you said it period? 552 00:31:14,835 --> 00:31:16,835 Speaker 3: That's number one and number. 553 00:31:16,555 --> 00:31:19,835 Speaker 5: Two the idea, the idea that I have to apologize 554 00:31:19,835 --> 00:31:22,675 Speaker 5: to you for anything along the life. We've done more 555 00:31:22,715 --> 00:31:24,995 Speaker 5: for veterans and any president has in American history. 556 00:31:25,155 --> 00:31:27,435 Speaker 1: That was not the clip I intended to show you there, 557 00:31:27,435 --> 00:31:30,675 Speaker 1: and that was entirely my fault. I arranged these eclipse 558 00:31:30,795 --> 00:31:33,035 Speaker 1: and I got me out of order. They were in 559 00:31:33,035 --> 00:31:35,995 Speaker 1: the correct order. However, this did emphasize a point that 560 00:31:36,035 --> 00:31:40,235 Speaker 1: I made earlier that Trump brought to the table and 561 00:31:40,515 --> 00:31:43,235 Speaker 1: was allowed to continue to use it throughout the ninety 562 00:31:43,235 --> 00:31:47,835 Speaker 1: minutes by CNN, perhaps the maximum of his sophistry with 563 00:31:47,915 --> 00:31:52,075 Speaker 1: the minimum insanity, until he started to get cooking and 564 00:31:52,195 --> 00:31:55,555 Speaker 1: began to accuse, as I said, Joe Biden of being 565 00:31:55,595 --> 00:32:00,035 Speaker 1: a criminal and promising or threatening to promise to prosecute him. 566 00:32:00,275 --> 00:32:03,835 Speaker 1: And again the term was coined. The terms were coined 567 00:32:03,835 --> 00:32:07,875 Speaker 1: by Brian Boitworth, great writer, political writer who's called it 568 00:32:07,955 --> 00:32:11,075 Speaker 1: trump Nesia, in which the events of twenty twenty and 569 00:32:11,515 --> 00:32:14,515 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, eighteen, and seventeen are turned into some sort 570 00:32:14,515 --> 00:32:18,555 Speaker 1: of rosy glow because that's what Trump is selling. He 571 00:32:18,635 --> 00:32:22,995 Speaker 1: also used several other terms which perhaps will skip here. 572 00:32:23,235 --> 00:32:29,595 Speaker 1: But asked about January sixth, Trump simply applied sophistry. There 573 00:32:29,635 --> 00:32:32,035 Speaker 1: was no January sixth, It was just a random date. 574 00:32:32,315 --> 00:32:36,515 Speaker 1: It didn't happen. I wasn't home, the suit didn't come 575 00:32:36,515 --> 00:32:39,475 Speaker 1: back from the cleaners. There was no answer to question, 576 00:32:39,795 --> 00:32:42,075 Speaker 1: and CNN never followed up. 577 00:32:42,235 --> 00:32:45,315 Speaker 4: Let's turn to the issue of democracy. Former President Trump, 578 00:32:45,795 --> 00:32:48,315 Speaker 4: I want to ask you about January sixth, twenty twenty one. 579 00:32:48,475 --> 00:32:51,395 Speaker 4: After you rallied your supporters that day, some of them 580 00:32:51,435 --> 00:32:55,035 Speaker 4: stormed the capital to stop the constitutionally mandated counting of 581 00:32:55,075 --> 00:32:59,555 Speaker 4: electoral votes. As president, you swore an oath to quote, preserve, protect, 582 00:32:59,595 --> 00:33:02,755 Speaker 4: and defend unquote the Constitution. What do you say to 583 00:33:02,795 --> 00:33:05,675 Speaker 4: voters who believe that you violated that oath through your 584 00:33:05,715 --> 00:33:08,475 Speaker 4: actions and inaction on January sixth and worry that you'll 585 00:33:08,475 --> 00:33:08,995 Speaker 4: do it again. 586 00:33:09,075 --> 00:33:10,835 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think too many believe that. And let 587 00:33:10,875 --> 00:33:12,355 Speaker 3: me tell you about January sixth. 588 00:33:12,955 --> 00:33:17,115 Speaker 2: On January sixth, we had a great border, nobody coming through, 589 00:33:17,275 --> 00:33:20,595 Speaker 2: very few. On January sixth, we were energy independent. On 590 00:33:20,715 --> 00:33:23,475 Speaker 2: January sixth, we had the lowest taxes ever. We had 591 00:33:23,475 --> 00:33:27,195 Speaker 2: the lowest regulations ever. On January sixth, we were respected 592 00:33:27,235 --> 00:33:30,355 Speaker 2: all over the world. All over the world were respected. 593 00:33:30,715 --> 00:33:33,315 Speaker 2: And then he comes in and we're now left at 594 00:33:33,355 --> 00:33:36,795 Speaker 2: we're like a bunch of stupid people that what happened 595 00:33:36,835 --> 00:33:42,155 Speaker 2: to the United States' reputation under this man's leadership is horrible, 596 00:33:42,475 --> 00:33:45,155 Speaker 2: including weaponization, which I'm sure at some point you'll be 597 00:33:45,195 --> 00:33:48,155 Speaker 2: talking about, where he goes after his political opponent because 598 00:33:48,195 --> 00:33:50,115 Speaker 2: he can't beat him fair and square and. 599 00:33:50,115 --> 00:33:54,555 Speaker 1: CNN never went back to it. You can put that 600 00:33:54,635 --> 00:33:58,275 Speaker 1: on as the epitaph for American journalism and particularly about CNN. 601 00:33:59,395 --> 00:34:02,555 Speaker 1: And that was thirty nine minutes into this. A man 602 00:34:02,835 --> 00:34:07,875 Speaker 1: is trying to overthrow, overtake, and subsume the government of 603 00:34:07,875 --> 00:34:11,755 Speaker 1: the United States to take office, because if he does 604 00:34:11,795 --> 00:34:14,675 Speaker 1: not take office, he will miightly be put in a 605 00:34:14,715 --> 00:34:17,355 Speaker 1: federal prison for the rest of his life. The man 606 00:34:17,395 --> 00:34:20,315 Speaker 1: will do anything to make this happen so that he 607 00:34:20,355 --> 00:34:23,555 Speaker 1: can avoid jail. The man will say anything. The man 608 00:34:23,675 --> 00:34:26,715 Speaker 1: lives in a kind of fugue state in which none 609 00:34:26,755 --> 00:34:29,835 Speaker 1: of you out there are actually real, and nothing he 610 00:34:29,915 --> 00:34:35,955 Speaker 1: does has any consequences attached to it whatsoever. And CNN said, sure, 611 00:34:36,275 --> 00:34:39,115 Speaker 1: we'll play by your rules. We won't follow it up. 612 00:34:39,395 --> 00:34:42,235 Speaker 1: We ask about January sixth, and the next thing you 613 00:34:42,355 --> 00:34:46,595 Speaker 1: start talking about the borders. January sixth was the equivalent 614 00:34:46,675 --> 00:34:49,715 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump committing nine to eleven all over again 615 00:34:49,755 --> 00:34:53,155 Speaker 1: on this country, or at least attempting to. And CNN 616 00:34:53,555 --> 00:34:57,915 Speaker 1: waited until the debate was nearly half over to even 617 00:34:58,035 --> 00:35:01,195 Speaker 1: approach it, and once having approached it, got away from 618 00:35:01,195 --> 00:35:05,155 Speaker 1: it as quickly as possible without demanding an any kind 619 00:35:05,195 --> 00:35:08,395 Speaker 1: of answer from Donald Trump. I keep going back to 620 00:35:08,435 --> 00:35:13,395 Speaker 1: this because even now, an hour and forty five minutes 621 00:35:13,475 --> 00:35:16,115 Speaker 1: after the debate, or excuse me, two hours and fifteen 622 00:35:16,155 --> 00:35:20,315 Speaker 1: minutes after the debate started, I cannot believe that CNN 623 00:35:20,635 --> 00:35:23,315 Speaker 1: actually went through with the idea that there would be 624 00:35:23,395 --> 00:35:28,395 Speaker 1: no fact checking. In contrast to other debates, there were 625 00:35:28,435 --> 00:35:31,835 Speaker 1: commercial breaks in which somebody should have run onto that 626 00:35:31,955 --> 00:35:35,315 Speaker 1: stage with as the saying goes their hair on fire, 627 00:35:35,635 --> 00:35:38,915 Speaker 1: saying my god, my god, what have we done. You 628 00:35:39,075 --> 00:35:42,475 Speaker 1: need to start fact checking him. You need to stop 629 00:35:42,875 --> 00:35:47,715 Speaker 1: promulgating his lies. We need to stop helping Donald Trump 630 00:35:48,195 --> 00:35:51,355 Speaker 1: take over the government of the United States and turn 631 00:35:51,395 --> 00:35:54,795 Speaker 1: it into another failed Trump property, and the rest of 632 00:35:54,875 --> 00:35:59,155 Speaker 1: us become his contractors or his slaves, one who don't 633 00:35:59,195 --> 00:36:01,955 Speaker 1: get paid and two who meet the fate of all slaves. 634 00:36:03,715 --> 00:36:08,035 Speaker 1: There is another SEGM here that was repeated without any 635 00:36:08,275 --> 00:36:11,435 Speaker 1: pushback from CNN. Another thing that I would bring up 636 00:36:12,035 --> 00:36:14,115 Speaker 1: when we look about the impact or look into the 637 00:36:14,155 --> 00:36:17,435 Speaker 1: impact this would have with people, the low information voters, 638 00:36:17,595 --> 00:36:21,995 Speaker 1: the polsters, darlings this year, the deciders, the ones who 639 00:36:22,075 --> 00:36:25,115 Speaker 1: voted differently in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, the ones 640 00:36:25,155 --> 00:36:28,795 Speaker 1: who were under the age of thirty five, other not 641 00:36:28,875 --> 00:36:32,875 Speaker 1: necessarily undecided voters, but voters who were not attached already 642 00:36:32,955 --> 00:36:35,035 Speaker 1: to one of the two parties or one of the 643 00:36:35,035 --> 00:36:38,355 Speaker 1: two candidates. In looking at that, what did they see. 644 00:36:38,715 --> 00:36:41,875 Speaker 1: This is what they saw from Donald Trump talking about 645 00:36:41,955 --> 00:36:46,435 Speaker 1: Joe Biden in apocalyptic terms. And obviously we wish that 646 00:36:46,475 --> 00:36:50,315 Speaker 1: this had been phrased in as strong language, with as 647 00:36:50,355 --> 00:36:53,515 Speaker 1: strong a voice by the president. It was not to 648 00:36:53,555 --> 00:36:56,075 Speaker 1: any great degree. He did hit it on a couple 649 00:36:56,075 --> 00:37:00,115 Speaker 1: of occasions. But Trump said this, and again, no one 650 00:37:00,235 --> 00:37:03,595 Speaker 1: in a position of responsibility pushed back. 651 00:37:03,715 --> 00:37:07,875 Speaker 2: If he when's this election, our country doesn't have a chance, 652 00:37:08,035 --> 00:37:11,155 Speaker 2: not even a chance of coming out of this rut. 653 00:37:11,475 --> 00:37:14,155 Speaker 2: We probably won't have a country left anymore. That's how 654 00:37:14,155 --> 00:37:16,715 Speaker 2: bad it is. He is the worst in history by far. 655 00:37:17,315 --> 00:37:18,755 Speaker 4: Thank you, President TRYMP, President Biden. 656 00:37:18,835 --> 00:37:21,715 Speaker 5: We're the most admired country in the world with the 657 00:37:21,835 --> 00:37:25,515 Speaker 5: United States of America. There's nothing beyond our capacity. We 658 00:37:25,595 --> 00:37:27,875 Speaker 5: are the finest military in the history of the world, 659 00:37:27,995 --> 00:37:30,595 Speaker 5: the finest in the history of the world. No one 660 00:37:30,675 --> 00:37:33,715 Speaker 5: thinks we're weak. No one wants to screw around with us. 661 00:37:33,715 --> 00:37:38,315 Speaker 1: Nobody Two competing visions and CNN again did not ask 662 00:37:38,355 --> 00:37:41,675 Speaker 1: any further questions about the vision in which the world 663 00:37:41,795 --> 00:37:44,235 Speaker 1: is ending and only Trump can save it. And Trump 664 00:37:44,315 --> 00:37:47,555 Speaker 1: has no other motive than wanting to help all of us. 665 00:37:48,435 --> 00:37:51,755 Speaker 1: He's Joseph Stalin if he's not hit where he's Joseph Stalin. 666 00:37:51,995 --> 00:37:54,195 Speaker 1: Only he has to get elected and then he'll be 667 00:37:54,275 --> 00:37:59,715 Speaker 1: Joseph Stalin. And Jake Tapper, you helped Dana Bash, an 668 00:37:59,835 --> 00:38:06,075 Speaker 1: unfortunate and extraordinarily ungifted individual. You helped. Honest to god, 669 00:38:06,195 --> 00:38:08,395 Speaker 1: it would have been better if Katie Turr had been 670 00:38:08,435 --> 00:38:11,355 Speaker 1: the moderator of this debate. And you can read into 671 00:38:11,395 --> 00:38:16,195 Speaker 1: that anything you want if they tell you the debate 672 00:38:16,435 --> 00:38:19,155 Speaker 1: does not change a single mind or a single vote. 673 00:38:19,835 --> 00:38:22,795 Speaker 1: And this may be viewed entirely as a negative. I'm 674 00:38:22,835 --> 00:38:24,955 Speaker 1: not sure it's entirely as a negative. It may be 675 00:38:24,995 --> 00:38:28,435 Speaker 1: a wash. Ultimately, Morning Consult did research on this which 676 00:38:28,435 --> 00:38:31,555 Speaker 1: I quoted yesterday, but the actual numbers are actually pretty 677 00:38:31,595 --> 00:38:35,875 Speaker 1: relevant right now. They read this as few voters believe 678 00:38:35,915 --> 00:38:38,235 Speaker 1: debates will change what they think about candidates or their 679 00:38:38,315 --> 00:38:41,315 Speaker 1: vote choice. Shares of voters who said it was very 680 00:38:41,395 --> 00:38:43,315 Speaker 1: likely they'll change whom they plan to vote for based 681 00:38:43,315 --> 00:38:48,555 Speaker 1: on the debates all eleven percent eleven percent of one 682 00:38:48,635 --> 00:38:51,635 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty million viewers say, which could have been 683 00:38:51,675 --> 00:38:54,195 Speaker 1: how many were expecting to watch, whether or not. That's 684 00:38:54,195 --> 00:38:57,155 Speaker 1: the ultimate number between television and streaming and listening in 685 00:38:57,195 --> 00:39:00,835 Speaker 1: some audio way online or actually in radio or in 686 00:39:00,875 --> 00:39:04,755 Speaker 1: a live podcast, perhaps one hundred and twenty million. Ten 687 00:39:04,835 --> 00:39:06,675 Speaker 1: percent of that is twelve million, So we are talking 688 00:39:06,675 --> 00:39:09,955 Speaker 1: about thirteen million people willing to change their vote based 689 00:39:09,955 --> 00:39:15,555 Speaker 1: on what they saw tonight. That's not a small few voters. 690 00:39:15,955 --> 00:39:18,955 Speaker 1: That's eleven or twelve million people. That's enough to create 691 00:39:18,955 --> 00:39:22,715 Speaker 1: a landslide if they all moved in one direction. The 692 00:39:22,715 --> 00:39:26,275 Speaker 1: most important part of this was that twenty one percent 693 00:39:26,355 --> 00:39:28,275 Speaker 1: of voters under the age of thirty five said they 694 00:39:28,275 --> 00:39:30,155 Speaker 1: were in that group that would be willing to change 695 00:39:30,235 --> 00:39:32,715 Speaker 1: or expected or thought it was very likely that they 696 00:39:32,715 --> 00:39:35,795 Speaker 1: could change their vote after what happened tonight. Seventeen percent 697 00:39:35,795 --> 00:39:37,755 Speaker 1: were in the group of voters between the ages of 698 00:39:37,795 --> 00:39:40,475 Speaker 1: thirty five and forty four, so thirty eight percent of 699 00:39:40,515 --> 00:39:43,995 Speaker 1: everybody in there between under the age of forty five 700 00:39:44,275 --> 00:39:48,035 Speaker 1: is a potential switch after this. Among black voters, twenty 701 00:39:48,075 --> 00:39:50,635 Speaker 1: one percent said they considered it very likely they'd changed 702 00:39:50,635 --> 00:39:53,475 Speaker 1: their vote after this debate, again before the debate happened, 703 00:39:53,715 --> 00:39:58,395 Speaker 1: and twenty seven percent of hispanic It's an extraordinary impact. 704 00:39:58,595 --> 00:40:01,155 Speaker 1: And again I'll go back to where we started with 705 00:40:01,155 --> 00:40:04,515 Speaker 1: the reference to nineteen sixty and Richard Nixon's hospitalization in 706 00:40:04,515 --> 00:40:06,755 Speaker 1: the fact that he came out poorly made up and 707 00:40:06,915 --> 00:40:09,155 Speaker 1: gaunt looking, and where the whole story of the five 708 00:40:09,155 --> 00:40:13,395 Speaker 1: o'clock shadow, the Richard Nixon perpetual beard originated. He went 709 00:40:13,435 --> 00:40:16,915 Speaker 1: on and did a debate in which he, because of 710 00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:21,155 Speaker 1: his health, managed to elevate his opponent, the unknown junior 711 00:40:21,195 --> 00:40:24,675 Speaker 1: senator from Massachusetts, to essentially the equivalency of a man 712 00:40:24,715 --> 00:40:27,355 Speaker 1: who'd been, for good or ill, the vice president of 713 00:40:27,355 --> 00:40:29,875 Speaker 1: the United States under one of its most popular presidents 714 00:40:30,035 --> 00:40:33,155 Speaker 1: ever for a period of eight years. And he gave 715 00:40:33,195 --> 00:40:38,475 Speaker 1: that away, that advantage away because of essentially bad makeup. 716 00:40:49,395 --> 00:40:51,795 Speaker 1: A couple of questions before we get to one lighter 717 00:40:51,875 --> 00:40:56,755 Speaker 1: bit of video from the debate itself. This is from 718 00:40:56,875 --> 00:41:00,435 Speaker 1: Garrett NYC. Would be incredible to see you moderate other 719 00:41:00,515 --> 00:41:04,195 Speaker 1: than you, who would be your ideal moderators, anybody but 720 00:41:04,675 --> 00:41:09,955 Speaker 1: Annabash and Jake Tapper, literally anybody else in that studio. 721 00:41:10,235 --> 00:41:13,555 Speaker 1: And I might add we could resume that debate with 722 00:41:13,635 --> 00:41:16,635 Speaker 1: anybody who's ever worked in that studio previously having done 723 00:41:16,635 --> 00:41:20,675 Speaker 1: a better job. That's Studio D on Techwood Drive in Atlanta, 724 00:41:20,715 --> 00:41:25,475 Speaker 1: the ancestral home of Ted Turner's broadcasting station, Channel seventeen 725 00:41:25,515 --> 00:41:30,475 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, which BEGAT Turner Broadcasting, which BEGAT CNN, which 726 00:41:30,515 --> 00:41:33,835 Speaker 1: BEGAT TVs or TBS was originally Channel seventeen, but which 727 00:41:33,875 --> 00:41:37,275 Speaker 1: BEGAT TNT and all the other properties under the Turner name. 728 00:41:37,755 --> 00:41:40,475 Speaker 1: I used that studio in nineteen eighty two when I 729 00:41:40,515 --> 00:41:42,835 Speaker 1: was with CNN Sports in my first job, and in 730 00:41:42,835 --> 00:41:46,755 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen I anchored the baseball coverage for the postseason 731 00:41:46,995 --> 00:41:51,915 Speaker 1: in that very studio. It's the size of three airplane hangars, 732 00:41:52,435 --> 00:41:56,715 Speaker 1: and anybody who's ever worked there, including myself, Gary Sheffield 733 00:41:56,755 --> 00:42:00,675 Speaker 1: and Pedro Martinez, would have been better moderators. The other thing. 734 00:42:00,755 --> 00:42:04,395 Speaker 1: In the nineteen seventies and eighties, those studios were used 735 00:42:04,475 --> 00:42:08,435 Speaker 1: for professional wrestling, not just professional wrestling, but the Georgia 736 00:42:08,515 --> 00:42:12,355 Speaker 1: Wrestling Federation or whatever it was called local professional wrestling. 737 00:42:12,475 --> 00:42:14,795 Speaker 1: They put bleachers in that thing and they had the 738 00:42:14,795 --> 00:42:17,195 Speaker 1: wrestlers come in and sometimes you could hear them being 739 00:42:17,235 --> 00:42:20,395 Speaker 1: slammed against the walls through the walls that adjoined the 740 00:42:20,435 --> 00:42:23,275 Speaker 1: CNN newsroom, and any one of those wrestlers would have 741 00:42:23,275 --> 00:42:27,435 Speaker 1: been better as moderators for this debate. Corneill waters, Why 742 00:42:27,475 --> 00:42:30,915 Speaker 1: didn't he bring up Project twenty twenty five an important 743 00:42:30,955 --> 00:42:34,395 Speaker 1: question and one I was going to raise later. One 744 00:42:34,435 --> 00:42:38,915 Speaker 1: of the leaked for warnings about which topics were going 745 00:42:38,995 --> 00:42:41,675 Speaker 1: to be addressed by President Biden and by Trump. One 746 00:42:41,675 --> 00:42:45,635 Speaker 1: of the leaked hits, as I phrased them, was Biden 747 00:42:45,675 --> 00:42:48,275 Speaker 1: pushing Project twenty twenty five. They saw how the John 748 00:42:48,355 --> 00:42:50,795 Speaker 1: Oliver segment on Project twenty twenty five, which I've been 749 00:42:50,795 --> 00:42:54,435 Speaker 1: harping on for several months, went viral five million views. 750 00:42:54,715 --> 00:42:58,155 Speaker 1: They had their own website Biden does about Project twenty 751 00:42:58,195 --> 00:43:00,435 Speaker 1: twenty five. They had QR codes. And then you're not 752 00:43:00,475 --> 00:43:03,915 Speaker 1: expecting the President of the United States to suddenly pull 753 00:43:04,035 --> 00:43:06,115 Speaker 1: a barcode out of his pocket and flash it at 754 00:43:06,115 --> 00:43:10,155 Speaker 1: the camera, although why not there were no rules. CNN 755 00:43:10,155 --> 00:43:11,955 Speaker 1: should have let him get away with that. They let 756 00:43:11,995 --> 00:43:15,675 Speaker 1: Trump say that January sixth was about the border, and 757 00:43:15,795 --> 00:43:19,595 Speaker 1: that Nancy Pelosi acknowledged that she wouldn't have troops that 758 00:43:19,675 --> 00:43:24,195 Speaker 1: Trump didn't send. I don't know why this didn't come up. 759 00:43:24,235 --> 00:43:27,915 Speaker 1: I imagine we're perhaps looking at a question of Joe 760 00:43:27,955 --> 00:43:31,235 Speaker 1: Biden's advisors and the President himself deciding that in the 761 00:43:31,355 --> 00:43:34,955 Speaker 1: hours before this debate, presumably as his cold and his 762 00:43:35,115 --> 00:43:38,275 Speaker 1: hoarseness increased, that there would have been some need to 763 00:43:38,395 --> 00:43:40,555 Speaker 1: drop a few of the packages along the way. Don't 764 00:43:40,555 --> 00:43:44,115 Speaker 1: burden him with additional details like hitting Project twenty twenty five. 765 00:43:44,475 --> 00:43:47,715 Speaker 1: There are, however, a lot of things that can I believe, 766 00:43:48,195 --> 00:43:53,115 Speaker 1: be done between now and November fifth. I mentioned this before, 767 00:43:53,155 --> 00:43:55,635 Speaker 1: and I saw it and was astonished by it because 768 00:43:56,195 --> 00:43:59,955 Speaker 1: I was in ESPN at the time. I was politically aware, 769 00:44:00,275 --> 00:44:01,715 Speaker 1: I knew what was going on in the world, and 770 00:44:01,715 --> 00:44:03,915 Speaker 1: I had no memory of this whatsoever. To give you 771 00:44:03,995 --> 00:44:06,755 Speaker 1: an idea of where we stand in terms of the 772 00:44:06,795 --> 00:44:10,595 Speaker 1: polls relative to the actual election, there are two elections 773 00:44:10,595 --> 00:44:12,875 Speaker 1: that were cited by the great journalists the Hall of 774 00:44:12,875 --> 00:44:16,075 Speaker 1: Famer from The Atlantic and other publication, Jim Fallows who 775 00:44:16,075 --> 00:44:20,435 Speaker 1: put these out I think earlier today, in nineteen ninety two, 776 00:44:20,475 --> 00:44:22,195 Speaker 1: and I'll read what he put out the New York 777 00:44:22,195 --> 00:44:25,675 Speaker 1: Times version of this. In a three way general election matchup, 778 00:44:26,755 --> 00:44:31,195 Speaker 1: ross Perot has moved to a clear lead over both 779 00:44:31,275 --> 00:44:34,875 Speaker 1: President Bush and Governor Bill Clinton in the latest Gallop poll, 780 00:44:35,635 --> 00:44:37,755 Speaker 1: in a telephone poll of eight hundred and fifteen registered 781 00:44:37,835 --> 00:44:40,875 Speaker 1: voters nationwide, conducted June fourth to June eighth. This is 782 00:44:40,955 --> 00:44:43,915 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two. This is not fiction, This actually happened. 783 00:44:43,955 --> 00:44:46,555 Speaker 1: This is actually in the New York Times. There's a screenshot. 784 00:44:47,155 --> 00:44:50,995 Speaker 1: Mister Perrot was supported by thirty nine percent, Bush by 785 00:44:51,035 --> 00:44:54,435 Speaker 1: thirty one, Clinton by twenty five. The margin of error 786 00:44:54,915 --> 00:44:58,355 Speaker 1: was four percentage points. The man who was elected President 787 00:44:58,395 --> 00:45:01,275 Speaker 1: of the United States in November of nineteen ninety two 788 00:45:01,795 --> 00:45:05,915 Speaker 1: and went on to two popular and largely successful terms 789 00:45:06,435 --> 00:45:10,795 Speaker 1: with controversy, controversy that produced greater affection for him than 790 00:45:10,795 --> 00:45:14,795 Speaker 1: he had beforehand and circles back to Jake Tapper Biomonica Lewinsky, 791 00:45:14,795 --> 00:45:17,555 Speaker 1: but will leave that alone this point. At this point 792 00:45:17,555 --> 00:45:20,795 Speaker 1: in the election in nineteen ninety two, Bill Clinton, soon 793 00:45:20,795 --> 00:45:22,995 Speaker 1: to be President of the United States, was in third 794 00:45:23,035 --> 00:45:30,275 Speaker 1: place behind George H. W. Bush and Ross Fing Perrot, 795 00:45:31,635 --> 00:45:34,635 Speaker 1: and also from Fallows. He reminded us that at this 796 00:45:34,715 --> 00:45:39,395 Speaker 1: point in twenty twelve, all of the polls were essentially 797 00:45:39,435 --> 00:45:42,835 Speaker 1: tied between President Barack Obama and who ran against him. 798 00:45:42,835 --> 00:45:48,835 Speaker 1: In twenty twelve anybody remember anybody remember his vice president? 799 00:45:49,315 --> 00:45:54,595 Speaker 1: Anybody Republicans who had met Romney? The Economist you gov 800 00:45:54,675 --> 00:45:58,155 Speaker 1: poll of early July Obama forty three, Romney forty four. 801 00:45:58,875 --> 00:46:03,035 Speaker 1: Reuter's ipsos Obama forty nine, Romney forty three. Also July 802 00:46:03,515 --> 00:46:07,435 Speaker 1: June twenty eighth to July ninths Pew Research Obama fifty, 803 00:46:07,515 --> 00:46:11,235 Speaker 1: Romney forty three looked pretty good. Washington Times, jay Z 804 00:46:11,395 --> 00:46:16,675 Speaker 1: Analytics Romney forty two point eight, Obama forty two. ABC News, 805 00:46:16,755 --> 00:46:20,275 Speaker 1: Washington Post had it forty seven forty seven. Funny there's 806 00:46:20,315 --> 00:46:24,555 Speaker 1: no CNN poll here. Did they do them? A couple 807 00:46:24,555 --> 00:46:27,715 Speaker 1: of other questions? Was there a question for either candidate 808 00:46:27,755 --> 00:46:31,275 Speaker 1: that you thought was either unfair or a layup? I 809 00:46:31,355 --> 00:46:34,755 Speaker 1: do think that in assessing the questions and how the 810 00:46:34,795 --> 00:46:37,635 Speaker 1: candidates were expected to answer them, there was a slight 811 00:46:37,715 --> 00:46:41,595 Speaker 1: imbalance here because it was believed by the moderators and 812 00:46:41,675 --> 00:46:44,835 Speaker 1: by CNN going into this, that President Biden would have 813 00:46:44,915 --> 00:46:48,675 Speaker 1: to give substantive answers that included truth. On the other hand, 814 00:46:49,075 --> 00:46:51,515 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was able to say whatever came out of 815 00:46:51,555 --> 00:46:55,475 Speaker 1: his ass and Bash and Tapper let him. I feel 816 00:46:55,515 --> 00:46:58,515 Speaker 1: like they both missed the mark. New Newish rights to 817 00:46:58,595 --> 00:47:02,555 Speaker 1: us appealing to younger and diverse voters. How should the 818 00:47:02,555 --> 00:47:08,275 Speaker 1: candidates rethink their strategies. This is an extraordinarily important point. 819 00:47:08,395 --> 00:47:11,955 Speaker 1: I hit it before slightly on the issue of what 820 00:47:12,195 --> 00:47:16,355 Speaker 1: happens when people who are not exposed to this see 821 00:47:16,475 --> 00:47:18,475 Speaker 1: a debate for the first time, and we saw the 822 00:47:18,555 --> 00:47:22,315 Speaker 1: large numbers where a fifth or more of those minority 823 00:47:22,355 --> 00:47:25,195 Speaker 1: group voters are willing to change their votes. At this point, 824 00:47:25,195 --> 00:47:27,995 Speaker 1: they are very soft, and that is much more of 825 00:47:27,995 --> 00:47:32,595 Speaker 1: a danger for Trump and the Trump campaign than it 826 00:47:32,675 --> 00:47:35,715 Speaker 1: is for the president because so much support had shifted 827 00:47:35,875 --> 00:47:38,475 Speaker 1: in the last few months towards Trump out of an 828 00:47:38,555 --> 00:47:42,275 Speaker 1: understandable sense of frustration. I don't know how this will 829 00:47:42,275 --> 00:47:45,115 Speaker 1: play in those communities. I am not of those communities, 830 00:47:45,155 --> 00:47:46,995 Speaker 1: and I think it would be pretentious of me to 831 00:47:47,115 --> 00:47:49,235 Speaker 1: say this is what they will say in the black 832 00:47:49,235 --> 00:47:52,195 Speaker 1: community or the Hispanic community. I'm not Donald Trump. I'm 833 00:47:52,195 --> 00:47:54,355 Speaker 1: not going to lie to you about what other groups 834 00:47:54,355 --> 00:47:57,435 Speaker 1: that I am not a part of will respond to. 835 00:47:57,755 --> 00:48:01,915 Speaker 1: But at some point, when the President was asked about 836 00:48:01,995 --> 00:48:06,675 Speaker 1: the disappointment in those communities over inflation, over jobs, records, 837 00:48:06,915 --> 00:48:11,115 Speaker 1: over other issues of American life, Joe Biden said they 838 00:48:11,115 --> 00:48:13,755 Speaker 1: should be disappointed, and here's what we're going to try 839 00:48:13,795 --> 00:48:16,075 Speaker 1: to do to fix it. There is at least, I 840 00:48:16,115 --> 00:48:19,435 Speaker 1: would think, in ordinary circumstances, in some sort of generic 841 00:48:19,475 --> 00:48:21,995 Speaker 1: group that has just been felt itself wronged and has 842 00:48:22,075 --> 00:48:26,955 Speaker 1: been cited, recognized, seen on national television, I would think 843 00:48:27,235 --> 00:48:29,595 Speaker 1: that a president of the United States saying you're right, 844 00:48:29,675 --> 00:48:33,275 Speaker 1: we haven't done enough is such an extraordinary answer, especially 845 00:48:33,275 --> 00:48:37,755 Speaker 1: in our times, especially with that monster standing across from him, 846 00:48:37,875 --> 00:48:40,235 Speaker 1: a man who does nothing but lie. Here is someone 847 00:48:40,275 --> 00:48:43,435 Speaker 1: who is assuming responsibility and saying we should do better. 848 00:48:43,635 --> 00:48:47,075 Speaker 1: I think more of that from Joe Biden perhaps will 849 00:48:47,195 --> 00:48:51,515 Speaker 1: provide a greater outcome for him and for the people 850 00:48:51,515 --> 00:48:53,995 Speaker 1: that are in question here, the people who need that help, 851 00:48:54,035 --> 00:48:58,315 Speaker 1: in those Hispanic and Black communities. Who is hosting the 852 00:48:58,355 --> 00:49:02,755 Speaker 1: second debate, Marchandreff asks, if it happens, of course, Trump 853 00:49:02,755 --> 00:49:05,635 Speaker 1: may just choose to stop while he's ahead. That is, 854 00:49:05,675 --> 00:49:08,515 Speaker 1: presuming he is still ahead, because that's September tenth, which 855 00:49:08,555 --> 00:49:11,275 Speaker 1: is as I suggested before, based on Bill Clinton's poll 856 00:49:11,315 --> 00:49:14,155 Speaker 1: numbers from nineteen ninety two and Barack Obama's poll numbers 857 00:49:14,155 --> 00:49:18,755 Speaker 1: from twenty twelve September tenth on ABC is several lifetimes 858 00:49:18,755 --> 00:49:21,155 Speaker 1: from now. All right, We had one more clip that 859 00:49:21,155 --> 00:49:22,675 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure we got in, and I 860 00:49:22,675 --> 00:49:24,635 Speaker 1: have a few other thoughts before we close this off. 861 00:49:24,675 --> 00:49:31,675 Speaker 1: Towards the bottom of the out it is an extraordinary 862 00:49:31,755 --> 00:49:35,555 Speaker 1: thing to contemplate how Donald Trump must see the rest 863 00:49:35,595 --> 00:49:38,595 Speaker 1: of us and the world. I often think of those 864 00:49:39,955 --> 00:49:43,795 Speaker 1: very popular in the eighties and nineties RoboCop style movies 865 00:49:43,835 --> 00:49:47,715 Speaker 1: in which some sort of robot armed with artificial intelligence. 866 00:49:47,715 --> 00:49:50,235 Speaker 1: If you'd like to worry about something else tonight, one 867 00:49:50,275 --> 00:49:54,915 Speaker 1: of those robots is seen reading what he's looking at, 868 00:49:55,235 --> 00:49:57,355 Speaker 1: and he gets a huge computer print out on the 869 00:49:57,355 --> 00:50:00,195 Speaker 1: side that identifies that as a dog, and that as 870 00:50:00,395 --> 00:50:02,955 Speaker 1: the president of the United States, and you see it 871 00:50:03,315 --> 00:50:08,115 Speaker 1: in an on camera display inside the robot's mind. I 872 00:50:08,155 --> 00:50:10,595 Speaker 1: tend to think of Trump in those terms. I've suggested 873 00:50:10,595 --> 00:50:13,235 Speaker 1: it recently. I think this is finally the correct description 874 00:50:13,275 --> 00:50:15,835 Speaker 1: of what's going on where he is. He's in a 875 00:50:15,875 --> 00:50:18,635 Speaker 1: fugue state. I had the misfortune to have somebody very 876 00:50:18,635 --> 00:50:21,515 Speaker 1: close to me actually go into a fugue state in 877 00:50:21,555 --> 00:50:24,435 Speaker 1: which that person did not know and did not care 878 00:50:24,715 --> 00:50:27,115 Speaker 1: that they had decided to take off all their clothes 879 00:50:27,515 --> 00:50:29,755 Speaker 1: and go from one side of Manhattan to another in 880 00:50:29,835 --> 00:50:32,795 Speaker 1: a uber at two o'clock in the morning with no 881 00:50:32,955 --> 00:50:36,595 Speaker 1: fear and no worry whatsoever. That was a fugue state. 882 00:50:36,875 --> 00:50:39,715 Speaker 1: That is that period of time in which you don't 883 00:50:39,795 --> 00:50:42,355 Speaker 1: worry about what's going to happen because you have made 884 00:50:42,395 --> 00:50:46,555 Speaker 1: this potentially fatal mistake, as this person did happily by accident. 885 00:50:46,595 --> 00:50:48,635 Speaker 1: There was no harm to the person or to me. 886 00:50:49,595 --> 00:50:52,875 Speaker 1: But I wonder about what is going on other than 887 00:50:52,875 --> 00:50:56,315 Speaker 1: the mouse in the wheel getting stuck there. At some 888 00:50:56,435 --> 00:51:00,715 Speaker 1: point when Trump is asked a question and comes back 889 00:51:01,715 --> 00:51:05,395 Speaker 1: by boasting about how he did on again cognitive test 890 00:51:05,475 --> 00:51:08,915 Speaker 1: given to you to determine whether or not you need 891 00:51:09,035 --> 00:51:13,355 Speaker 1: a straight jacket, and then segues into how well he 892 00:51:13,435 --> 00:51:15,595 Speaker 1: plays freaking golf. 893 00:51:15,875 --> 00:51:17,315 Speaker 3: But I took two cognitive tests. 894 00:51:17,395 --> 00:51:21,395 Speaker 2: I took physical exams every year, and you know we 895 00:51:21,475 --> 00:51:24,115 Speaker 2: knock on wood wherever we may have wood that I'm 896 00:51:24,155 --> 00:51:27,195 Speaker 2: in very good health. I just won two club championships, 897 00:51:27,195 --> 00:51:30,075 Speaker 2: not even senior, two regular club championships. To do that, 898 00:51:30,355 --> 00:51:32,915 Speaker 2: you have to be quite smart, and you have to 899 00:51:32,915 --> 00:51:34,475 Speaker 2: be able to hit the ball a long way. 900 00:51:34,715 --> 00:51:36,315 Speaker 3: And I do it. He doesn't do it. He can't 901 00:51:36,395 --> 00:51:38,115 Speaker 3: hit a ball fifty yards. He challenged me to a 902 00:51:38,155 --> 00:51:41,355 Speaker 3: golf match. He can't hit a ball fifty yards. I 903 00:51:41,355 --> 00:51:42,595 Speaker 3: think I'm in very good shape. 904 00:51:42,595 --> 00:51:44,635 Speaker 2: I feel that I'm as in good as shape as 905 00:51:44,635 --> 00:51:47,475 Speaker 2: I was twenty five thirty years Actually I'm probably a 906 00:51:47,515 --> 00:51:50,715 Speaker 2: little bit lighter, but I'm as good as shape as 907 00:51:50,755 --> 00:51:52,595 Speaker 2: I was years ago. 908 00:51:52,675 --> 00:51:53,315 Speaker 3: I feel very good. 909 00:51:53,355 --> 00:51:54,035 Speaker 2: I feel the same. 910 00:51:54,275 --> 00:51:56,475 Speaker 5: You can see he is six foot five and only 911 00:51:56,475 --> 00:51:57,915 Speaker 5: two hundred and twenty thirty pounds. 912 00:51:58,635 --> 00:51:59,835 Speaker 3: Thirty five pounds. 913 00:52:00,795 --> 00:52:05,355 Speaker 5: Well you said six four two hundred, Well anyway, anyway, 914 00:52:05,835 --> 00:52:07,355 Speaker 5: just take a look at what he says he is, 915 00:52:07,435 --> 00:52:08,755 Speaker 5: and take a look at what he is. 916 00:52:08,875 --> 00:52:11,115 Speaker 1: He got him at the end. He did get him 917 00:52:11,115 --> 00:52:13,075 Speaker 1: at the end. A couple of more questions, and this 918 00:52:13,115 --> 00:52:18,555 Speaker 1: is a great one via YouTube from a don't know 919 00:52:18,595 --> 00:52:20,555 Speaker 1: the name of who sent this based on the way 920 00:52:20,595 --> 00:52:23,235 Speaker 1: it's formatted, But can you get Keith to comment on 921 00:52:23,275 --> 00:52:25,475 Speaker 1: some of the first headlines that have come out already 922 00:52:25,475 --> 00:52:29,275 Speaker 1: post debate Sky News? Sky News which was I don't 923 00:52:29,315 --> 00:52:31,675 Speaker 1: believe it still is a Murdoch property, but it is 924 00:52:31,755 --> 00:52:36,395 Speaker 1: still a slanting right British based news organization. Biden's performance 925 00:52:36,475 --> 00:52:40,355 Speaker 1: was quote really disappointing. Former aid Biden campaign admits he 926 00:52:40,435 --> 00:52:45,435 Speaker 1: started off slow Trump versus Biden debate. Latest pauses and 927 00:52:45,475 --> 00:52:48,075 Speaker 1: stuttering from Biden in first TV debate with Trump as 928 00:52:48,155 --> 00:52:52,195 Speaker 1: team claims he has a cold. Obviously, if Trump claimed 929 00:52:52,195 --> 00:52:54,395 Speaker 1: he had a cold, if Trump made up that he 930 00:52:54,435 --> 00:52:57,395 Speaker 1: had a cold, most of the news organizations would simply 931 00:52:57,435 --> 00:53:00,995 Speaker 1: state that it had been appeared that statement had appeared 932 00:53:01,235 --> 00:53:03,675 Speaker 1: that Trump had a cold, that that was one of 933 00:53:03,715 --> 00:53:06,915 Speaker 1: the eleventh or twelfth commandments on the Ten Commandments that 934 00:53:07,035 --> 00:53:09,155 Speaker 1: broke as mel Brooks brought them down the side of 935 00:53:09,155 --> 00:53:11,635 Speaker 1: the mountain. If you know the movie reference, if you don't, 936 00:53:13,355 --> 00:53:17,275 Speaker 1: If Biden says it, it's a claim. If Trump says it, 937 00:53:17,355 --> 00:53:21,875 Speaker 1: and it's preposterous and a lie, CNN says, who We're 938 00:53:21,915 --> 00:53:24,155 Speaker 1: going to commercial break right now, we'll be back to 939 00:53:24,195 --> 00:53:27,675 Speaker 1: do something, as Dana Bash said. Dana Bash said on 940 00:53:27,715 --> 00:53:30,955 Speaker 1: the way out, one more question and then we'll wrap 941 00:53:30,995 --> 00:53:34,515 Speaker 1: it up. Eight of Wand's asked, Keith, is it too 942 00:53:34,595 --> 00:53:38,435 Speaker 1: late to replace Biden? The word replaced, The verb replace 943 00:53:38,595 --> 00:53:43,115 Speaker 1: implies some kind of action in which he has no 944 00:53:43,235 --> 00:53:46,995 Speaker 1: choice in the matter. It is too late to replace 945 00:53:47,395 --> 00:53:50,995 Speaker 1: Joe Biden if he were to voluntarily step aside that's 946 00:53:51,035 --> 00:53:54,475 Speaker 1: another series of questions and another series of complications that 947 00:53:54,515 --> 00:53:57,275 Speaker 1: you did not ask. It has not happened in American history. 948 00:53:57,675 --> 00:54:00,235 Speaker 1: But if Biden did not want to go, there is 949 00:54:00,315 --> 00:54:02,595 Speaker 1: literally no way to take him off the ticket. And 950 00:54:02,675 --> 00:54:04,955 Speaker 1: as to whether or not it would be wise, and 951 00:54:04,995 --> 00:54:08,355 Speaker 1: again the sky News headlines the clips that you saw. 952 00:54:08,595 --> 00:54:10,595 Speaker 1: The reality of what you saw at the beginning of 953 00:54:10,635 --> 00:54:14,835 Speaker 1: this debate can't simply be erased from the world's memory. 954 00:54:15,635 --> 00:54:17,475 Speaker 1: It was not a good start. I think the Biden 955 00:54:17,555 --> 00:54:20,555 Speaker 1: campaign is smart to go in that direction, to say 956 00:54:20,595 --> 00:54:22,755 Speaker 1: he did not start well, but did in fact finish 957 00:54:22,795 --> 00:54:25,795 Speaker 1: up fairly strong and came to a tie given what 958 00:54:25,995 --> 00:54:28,355 Speaker 1: was weighing against him. The fact that seeing and let 959 00:54:28,395 --> 00:54:33,315 Speaker 1: Trump lie early, often and repeatedly, whether or not it 960 00:54:33,355 --> 00:54:35,915 Speaker 1: would be wise is something else altogether, And what the 961 00:54:35,955 --> 00:54:38,315 Speaker 1: impact of this debate will have on these numbers is 962 00:54:38,355 --> 00:54:41,435 Speaker 1: something else all together. But as I examined back in, 963 00:54:41,675 --> 00:54:44,995 Speaker 1: I believe it was late March when my friend Bob 964 00:54:45,035 --> 00:54:47,835 Speaker 1: Costas made a couple of appearances suggesting that there was 965 00:54:47,875 --> 00:54:50,555 Speaker 1: an urgent need to remove Joe Biden. This was before 966 00:54:50,595 --> 00:54:53,275 Speaker 1: the State of the Union address, I pointed out, and 967 00:54:53,315 --> 00:54:55,475 Speaker 1: it was pointed out by others. I don't claim exclusive 968 00:54:55,475 --> 00:54:58,595 Speaker 1: knowledge on this either, that there is no process by 969 00:54:58,635 --> 00:55:00,995 Speaker 1: which you can take the president of the United States 970 00:55:01,035 --> 00:55:03,315 Speaker 1: and force him off the ticket. If he doesn't want 971 00:55:03,315 --> 00:55:05,595 Speaker 1: to go, then you enable it to happen. And that's 972 00:55:05,635 --> 00:55:09,275 Speaker 1: an entirely different set of circumstances. But also is it 973 00:55:09,355 --> 00:55:12,435 Speaker 1: the right move to make, even under the most dire 974 00:55:12,515 --> 00:55:16,075 Speaker 1: of circumstances, Even if you concluded from watching that debate 975 00:55:16,315 --> 00:55:18,795 Speaker 1: that you had to get another candidate in there, who 976 00:55:18,835 --> 00:55:21,715 Speaker 1: is that candidate going to be? All the polling of 977 00:55:21,875 --> 00:55:26,635 Speaker 1: all the other Democrats against Donald Trump shows Trump winning 978 00:55:26,715 --> 00:55:30,675 Speaker 1: by ten or more points. And you then have the 979 00:55:30,795 --> 00:55:35,635 Speaker 1: entire question if somehow managed to force the president off 980 00:55:35,675 --> 00:55:39,435 Speaker 1: the ticket, he would immediately become a lame duck. And 981 00:55:39,475 --> 00:55:41,675 Speaker 1: what do you do about the vice president? If the 982 00:55:41,755 --> 00:55:44,315 Speaker 1: vice president, if Kamala Harris is not your choice to 983 00:55:44,355 --> 00:55:46,755 Speaker 1: replace Biden on some sort of force them off or 984 00:55:46,795 --> 00:55:49,635 Speaker 1: even voluntarily leave, what do you do with the vice 985 00:55:49,675 --> 00:55:53,715 Speaker 1: president of the United States, whose numbers against Biden against 986 00:55:53,755 --> 00:55:56,675 Speaker 1: Trump rather would in fact be worse than Joe Biden's 987 00:55:56,675 --> 00:56:00,075 Speaker 1: are And again they have been. Joe Biden's numbers have 988 00:56:00,115 --> 00:56:01,995 Speaker 1: been growing to the point where it is a statistical 989 00:56:02,075 --> 00:56:05,955 Speaker 1: tie going into this debate, the question again, is it 990 00:56:05,995 --> 00:56:09,155 Speaker 1: too late to replace Biden? Legally, Yes, if he doesn't 991 00:56:09,155 --> 00:56:12,515 Speaker 1: want to go, if he wanted to go, if he retired, certainly, 992 00:56:12,795 --> 00:56:15,995 Speaker 1: But even this question needs to be raised in your mind, 993 00:56:16,075 --> 00:56:19,115 Speaker 1: in my mind, and in the President's mind, and in 994 00:56:19,155 --> 00:56:23,715 Speaker 1: everyone connected with democratic leadership tonight. Is it even under 995 00:56:23,755 --> 00:56:27,075 Speaker 1: the most dire of circumstances and a droit move because 996 00:56:27,115 --> 00:56:30,555 Speaker 1: of all of the other components, all the polling, which 997 00:56:30,595 --> 00:56:32,995 Speaker 1: can be as I suggested before, based on where Bill 998 00:56:33,075 --> 00:56:35,915 Speaker 1: Clinton was in nineteen ninety two, The polling is not 999 00:56:36,035 --> 00:56:41,035 Speaker 1: only fungible and flexible, but it can completely mislead you 1000 00:56:41,075 --> 00:56:43,675 Speaker 1: as to what's going to happen. If Bill Clinton and 1001 00:56:43,715 --> 00:56:46,315 Speaker 1: the Democrats had looked at those polls and said, we've 1002 00:56:46,315 --> 00:56:49,075 Speaker 1: got to get somebody else in here, let's hurriedly nominate 1003 00:56:49,555 --> 00:56:52,355 Speaker 1: Tom Dashel, do you think he would have beaten Bush 1004 00:56:52,355 --> 00:56:54,995 Speaker 1: in the fall. The advantage that Bush would have had 1005 00:56:55,035 --> 00:56:56,795 Speaker 1: would have been double what he seemed to have had 1006 00:56:56,835 --> 00:56:59,955 Speaker 1: going against Clinton in nineteen ninety two. And there is 1007 00:57:00,115 --> 00:57:03,515 Speaker 1: the final part of that conundrum. If you take Joe 1008 00:57:03,515 --> 00:57:06,435 Speaker 1: Biden off the ballot or Joe Biden takes himself off 1009 00:57:06,475 --> 00:57:09,635 Speaker 1: the ballot. The man who is on the ballot, who 1010 00:57:09,635 --> 00:57:12,715 Speaker 1: has been president of the United States and gets the 1011 00:57:12,755 --> 00:57:17,595 Speaker 1: default support of anyone looking for someone with experience, he 1012 00:57:17,595 --> 00:57:20,315 Speaker 1: gets one hundred percent of that support would be Trump. 1013 00:57:21,515 --> 00:57:24,475 Speaker 1: Do you want that or would you rather have this man, 1014 00:57:24,595 --> 00:57:26,475 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, who, as we saw at the State of 1015 00:57:26,475 --> 00:57:29,475 Speaker 1: the Union, as we've seen in countless other speeches, and 1016 00:57:29,515 --> 00:57:32,555 Speaker 1: we've seen in countless other venues, can bring it better 1017 00:57:32,595 --> 00:57:36,235 Speaker 1: than Trump can, and is also an honest man and 1018 00:57:36,275 --> 00:57:40,555 Speaker 1: a good president, perhaps at points hinting as he would 1019 00:57:40,555 --> 00:57:43,675 Speaker 1: be judged historically a great president. Do you want him? 1020 00:57:44,035 --> 00:57:47,755 Speaker 1: Or do you want somebody who concedes the territory of 1021 00:57:47,835 --> 00:57:50,995 Speaker 1: who is seen as the incumbent? Do you want that 1022 00:57:51,515 --> 00:57:54,835 Speaker 1: to be seeded to Donald Trump? So it's not just 1023 00:57:54,875 --> 00:57:57,755 Speaker 1: a practical question, legal question or a political question. Is 1024 00:57:57,795 --> 00:57:59,755 Speaker 1: a question of strategy, and I think it would be 1025 00:57:59,755 --> 00:58:04,075 Speaker 1: bad strategy and failing strategy. In any event, the picture 1026 00:58:04,075 --> 00:58:08,355 Speaker 1: will change how much. It's hard to say. The numbers 1027 00:58:08,395 --> 00:58:14,555 Speaker 1: that were presumed after the Trump convictions, the numbers that 1028 00:58:14,715 --> 00:58:18,155 Speaker 1: were assumed that Biden would not gain anything, the initial 1029 00:58:18,275 --> 00:58:21,915 Speaker 1: polling numbers that suggested Biden had not gained anything from 1030 00:58:22,075 --> 00:58:25,395 Speaker 1: the Trump convictions, that Trump was the one who had 1031 00:58:25,395 --> 00:58:28,555 Speaker 1: gotten a slight bump. Those poll numbers turned out to 1032 00:58:28,555 --> 00:58:32,875 Speaker 1: be inaccurate. The surge by which Joe Biden has tied 1033 00:58:33,035 --> 00:58:36,235 Speaker 1: or pulled ahead and come close to swing in the 1034 00:58:36,275 --> 00:58:39,995 Speaker 1: swing states in which he moved ahead in two and 1035 00:58:40,115 --> 00:58:44,115 Speaker 1: got fifty percent closer in the other four key six 1036 00:58:44,155 --> 00:58:46,875 Speaker 1: swing states. That all happened as a result of the 1037 00:58:46,875 --> 00:58:51,315 Speaker 1: convictions of Donald Trump. It took a while, it went well. 1038 00:58:51,715 --> 00:58:54,635 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens at the end of this. We'll 1039 00:58:54,635 --> 00:58:57,235 Speaker 1: see what happens tomorrow. We'll see how the media takes it. 1040 00:58:57,515 --> 00:59:03,315 Speaker 1: But I would walk away with this. It is a 1041 00:59:03,475 --> 00:59:07,755 Speaker 1: terrifying thing to count the number of guardrails that have 1042 00:59:07,915 --> 00:59:12,075 Speaker 1: broken since Trump came down the escalator in twenty fifteen. 1043 00:59:13,115 --> 00:59:17,835 Speaker 1: So many things that we thought were permanent and inviolable 1044 00:59:17,915 --> 00:59:20,635 Speaker 1: in the United States of America turned out to be 1045 00:59:21,075 --> 00:59:26,555 Speaker 1: paper mache, turned out to be fake sets. The most 1046 00:59:26,595 --> 00:59:29,475 Speaker 1: disappointing to me on a personal level, and perhaps the 1047 00:59:29,475 --> 00:59:32,955 Speaker 1: most impactful other than the idea that an entire party 1048 00:59:33,155 --> 00:59:37,635 Speaker 1: would become literal whores to Donald Trump simply to stay 1049 00:59:37,635 --> 00:59:41,435 Speaker 1: in power. The one next to that was illustrated again tonight. 1050 00:59:43,755 --> 00:59:47,555 Speaker 1: Somewhere along the line it was prophesied, and many of 1051 00:59:47,635 --> 00:59:52,435 Speaker 1: us heard it forty years ago, fifty years ago. That eventually, 1052 00:59:52,475 --> 00:59:58,315 Speaker 1: as television and other video and electronic communications completely surpassed 1053 00:59:58,595 --> 01:00:02,795 Speaker 1: the newspaper organizations with their rigid standards and their extraordinarily 1054 01:00:02,835 --> 01:00:09,755 Speaker 1: competitive relationships with one another. As that happened, as deadlines 1055 01:00:09,795 --> 01:00:13,715 Speaker 1: got tighter, as the news cycle dropped, from well, we're 1056 01:00:13,715 --> 01:00:16,675 Speaker 1: going to publish this story at eleven o'clock six hours 1057 01:00:16,675 --> 01:00:18,715 Speaker 1: from now two, We're going to publish this story as 1058 01:00:18,715 --> 01:00:22,955 Speaker 1: soon as you finished typing it. The predictions were made 1059 01:00:23,195 --> 01:00:27,315 Speaker 1: that so much of the journalism would drop out of journalism. 1060 01:00:27,675 --> 01:00:31,155 Speaker 1: I think we have seen the low point of that. 1061 01:00:32,035 --> 01:00:35,315 Speaker 1: I began to worry about this and to talk about 1062 01:00:35,355 --> 01:00:39,835 Speaker 1: it on my first MSNBC show in nineteen ninety eight, when, 1063 01:00:40,715 --> 01:00:44,475 Speaker 1: because the ratings were good, the networks, the news organizations 1064 01:00:44,515 --> 01:00:47,315 Speaker 1: of this country, we're willing to let a special prosecutor 1065 01:00:47,355 --> 01:00:52,235 Speaker 1: named Kenneth Starr do something as illegal as making public 1066 01:00:52,715 --> 01:00:57,235 Speaker 1: the secret videotaped grand jury testimony of the sitting president 1067 01:00:57,275 --> 01:01:00,475 Speaker 1: of the United States. That was what sent me fleeing 1068 01:01:00,595 --> 01:01:03,795 Speaker 1: back into sports because I didn't want to have anything 1069 01:01:03,835 --> 01:01:06,275 Speaker 1: more to do with it. Every time I brought it up, 1070 01:01:06,275 --> 01:01:08,315 Speaker 1: and every time I brought up the principal role of 1071 01:01:08,395 --> 01:01:12,075 Speaker 1: organizations like Fox News and Breitbart and the others of 1072 01:01:12,115 --> 01:01:15,035 Speaker 1: that time, every time I brought them up, every time 1073 01:01:15,035 --> 01:01:17,595 Speaker 1: I criticized the people who appeared on those networks are 1074 01:01:17,635 --> 01:01:20,875 Speaker 1: on those websites. I was accused of trying to be 1075 01:01:21,115 --> 01:01:24,035 Speaker 1: the left wing version of fill in the blank. I 1076 01:01:24,115 --> 01:01:27,195 Speaker 1: was accused of doing this for the ratings. This is 1077 01:01:27,275 --> 01:01:30,155 Speaker 1: why I did it tonight. Is why I did it 1078 01:01:30,195 --> 01:01:33,875 Speaker 1: in hopes of staving off the fiasco that we saw tonight. 1079 01:01:34,275 --> 01:01:37,875 Speaker 1: You cannot put a man whose profession is lying on 1080 01:01:38,075 --> 01:01:41,595 Speaker 1: national television in a debate for the most important job 1081 01:01:41,755 --> 01:01:45,475 Speaker 1: in the world, at the most important moment in the 1082 01:01:45,515 --> 01:01:48,755 Speaker 1: history of the world for at least the last eighty years. 1083 01:01:48,995 --> 01:01:55,115 Speaker 1: You cannot put a professional liar on television and never 1084 01:01:55,595 --> 01:02:01,395 Speaker 1: say you are not telling the truth. Fact Checking is 1085 01:02:01,435 --> 01:02:06,075 Speaker 1: the essential element of journalism. It's where you begin. Is 1086 01:02:06,115 --> 01:02:09,435 Speaker 1: it raining or is it not raining? All you have 1087 01:02:09,515 --> 01:02:12,115 Speaker 1: to do, Jake Tapper, all you have to do, Dana 1088 01:02:12,195 --> 01:02:14,435 Speaker 1: Bash is walk over to the window and get us 1089 01:02:14,435 --> 01:02:17,075 Speaker 1: an answer or if you can't get us the answer, 1090 01:02:17,235 --> 01:02:20,235 Speaker 1: if your IFV coord is not long enough, if you're 1091 01:02:20,235 --> 01:02:23,715 Speaker 1: not wearing a mobile mic, if you can't get over there, 1092 01:02:25,075 --> 01:02:27,555 Speaker 1: at least ask the guy who just said, not only 1093 01:02:27,635 --> 01:02:30,155 Speaker 1: is it raining, but it's raining up from the ground. 1094 01:02:31,035 --> 01:02:33,875 Speaker 1: You have to ask him why he has said this, 1095 01:02:34,115 --> 01:02:37,115 Speaker 1: what is his evidence? You have to fact check him. 1096 01:02:37,395 --> 01:02:41,715 Speaker 1: CNN failed, They should go out of business tomorrow. We'll 1097 01:02:41,755 --> 01:02:44,115 Speaker 1: be back with a new edition of a podcast on Tuesday. 1098 01:02:44,315 --> 01:02:46,355 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I'm sorry the results 1099 01:02:46,355 --> 01:02:49,275 Speaker 1: are not better. I think I am repeating myself at 1100 01:02:49,275 --> 01:02:54,435 Speaker 1: this point, But damn you to hell, Jake Tapper, Damn 1101 01:02:54,435 --> 01:02:57,035 Speaker 1: you to hell, Dana Bash, Damn you to hell. CNN. 1102 01:02:57,475 --> 01:03:00,315 Speaker 1: You blew your job tonight, and may you never get 1103 01:03:00,315 --> 01:03:03,955 Speaker 1: the opportunity to do it again. Keith Oldruyman, thanks for 1104 01:03:03,995 --> 01:03:17,355 Speaker 1: being with us. Night Countdown with Keith Olderman is a 1105 01:03:17,395 --> 01:03:22,195 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 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