WEBVTT - Are stupid people happier?

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me

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<v Speaker 1>is Chuckles Bryant. How's it going, Chuck? I was chuckling. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that might have gotten caught. Yeah. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that was an afropo nickname. Yeah, Jerry's funny like then

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<v Speaker 1>she made me laugh. I know. Let's let's let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>do this show. Yes, where's your awesome set up? My

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<v Speaker 1>awesome setup is as follows. Chuck, are you do you

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<v Speaker 1>consider yourself a happy person? Yes? I do? Well, then Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>you may be dumb? Really yeah? How so Well? There's

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<v Speaker 1>this longstanding question of whether or not there's a negative

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<v Speaker 1>correlation between intelligence and happiness. Take one Ernest Hemingway. He

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<v Speaker 1>said something along the lines of, oh, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>happiness and intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I went up you, Oh drink buddy. Charles de gall

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<v Speaker 1>reportedly said happy people are idiots? Did he really? And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he meant the medical classification of

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<v Speaker 1>days gone by idiots. I think he just meant, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>idiots mouth breathers. I've got one that's going to even

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<v Speaker 1>top your Charles de gall One. Okay, Charlton Heston said

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<v Speaker 1>you can pry my gun from my cold, dead hand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he sure did. Was he happy? I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Happiness is a warm gun. That's what Paul

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<v Speaker 1>McCartney said, and the Breeders man. We could just quote

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<v Speaker 1>like song lyrics and people all day and end up

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<v Speaker 1>with no results. So well, let's talk about this, chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a negative correlation between intelligence and happiness? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about it in your own experience, you

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<v Speaker 1>can make the case that ignorance is bliss, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that, uh, you're you're happier when you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about something bad that's already happened to you than

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<v Speaker 1>you are after you get the news. But that really

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<v Speaker 1>has nothing to do with intellect. Well does it? Though?

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<v Speaker 1>This when this whole thing is kind of fraught with

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<v Speaker 1>questions for me, like is it emotional intelligence? We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about ignorance, Like when I think and you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to use the words like stupid, you know, I know

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry says that schools don't like to use that word,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the word stupid. Yeah, it's a pretty negative word,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll admit. And people that don't score well on high

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<v Speaker 1>well on i Q testa me, and that means nothing

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<v Speaker 1>about how smart they are. It's like, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>has to do more emotional intelligence. And like when I

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<v Speaker 1>think of dumb, I think and happy. I think of

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<v Speaker 1>like the dude sitting there picking his belly button lent

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<v Speaker 1>like laughing his head off at America's funny some video.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you call him and elligent? I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of link that as one of the dummies out there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm jealous of that because I watched that show

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<v Speaker 1>in my and I just I can't sit still. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just so awful. But some people think it's the funniest

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<v Speaker 1>thing ever. I think it's kind of funny, and they

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<v Speaker 1>seem really happy. You know, a guy gets kicked in

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<v Speaker 1>the groin and everyone gets a good laugh and he

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<v Speaker 1>falls on his face. And you know, Beavis and butt Head,

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<v Speaker 1>they were idiots. They were always laughing and happy. And

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't laugh at that show either. No, it was funny,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was laughing at their idiocy. I would consider

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<v Speaker 1>you a pretty I don't know if intellectual is the

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<v Speaker 1>right word, but definitely intelligent. I would considue an intelligent person.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not intellectual in the least. You know that,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're so. But I would also, I would say

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<v Speaker 1>you're fairly happy. Yeah, but I could see you happier. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>moods come and go, buddy. But you're saying you think

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<v Speaker 1>you're generally a positive, happy person. Yeah, I'd say generally,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty happy person. Barring you know, I'm I'm moody

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<v Speaker 1>as well, But that's that's in the jeans. So your

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<v Speaker 1>questions as to this these articles are um like is intelligence,

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<v Speaker 1>emotional intelligence or intellectual intelligence. I think what they're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about specifically is um mental intelligence like book smarts. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>or I think you could make a case that street

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<v Speaker 1>smarts comes out of intellect as well. I can. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to hear, but I could if I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to. Well, I think technically, they've they've done some

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<v Speaker 1>studies that said there is no direct link between happiness

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<v Speaker 1>and actual intelligence. Right, let's let's put some substance into

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast so we can spiculate all day. Uh so, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>officially what they say is there's no link. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>official line on that. And thank you for coming and

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this one. Yeah, no, there isn't any Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually that's not true because I found his study, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>hit me. I found his study on the freakonomics blog.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually is a couple. He drew data from a study

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<v Speaker 1>of fourteen thousand people. That's pretty good and they were

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<v Speaker 1>giving Yeah, it's a pretty good sample. Um. They were

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<v Speaker 1>given a vocabulary test and then they were giving an

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<v Speaker 1>analytical reasoning skills test. And the people in the top

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<v Speaker 1>third consistently also reported being happiest, and they were less

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<v Speaker 1>likely to be very unhappy people happy is and all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. Not only here's here's the big problem. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the problem with everything. Yes, this is here is

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<v Speaker 1>our problem. No one actually knows what happiness is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a subjective experience, or if it even exists. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of people positive that the problem is. And

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<v Speaker 1>here's the catch twenty two. All the people who are

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about happiness are intelligent. If you're intelligent, or if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not intelligent, you're probably not thinking about happiness. You're

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<v Speaker 1>just happy. So the the whole field of the study

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<v Speaker 1>of happiness shoots itself in the foot every time it

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<v Speaker 1>opens its mouth. True, because it's all smart people trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what happiness is. And I can't think

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<v Speaker 1>of anything that could make you unhappier than that. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's just stop doing this medialy. We should. Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>can talk about some little correlations here and there. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that one researcher was talking about how our educational

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<v Speaker 1>system doesn't really you know, they tend to separate the

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent ones. So, in other words, early on in schooling, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the really really smart kids are oftentimes segregated and uh

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<v Speaker 1>put in special classes, betimes, even special magnet schools. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not picked first on the kickball team. Uh. They're outcast

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways because they're smart. And does that lead

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<v Speaker 1>to happiness? Probably not? Yeah that Yeah, there's too many

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<v Speaker 1>externalities that you can't really account for exogenous factors. Yes, nice, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you have quite a memory of my friends. Recall from

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<v Speaker 1>our super stuffed Guide to the Economy. Another problem with

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<v Speaker 1>trying to define happiness is every study of happiness is

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<v Speaker 1>a survey. It's all self reporting, and I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>it brings a bell that you had said like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about this before, and you have said something

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<v Speaker 1>along the lines of um, it depends on when you

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<v Speaker 1>take that kind of test. Was. I mean, if if

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<v Speaker 1>somebody tested you right now, how would you test in

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the life satisfaction scale or happiness quotient goes, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>she's just tough. I mean, like right this minute, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in a pretty rotten mood today exactly, but I

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<v Speaker 1>would have about yesterday, but I wouldn't call that. I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't chart that on the life happen. Don't you think

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<v Speaker 1>that the mood that you're in when you're taking, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're taking a look a survey on your life

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<v Speaker 1>is going to influence everything. I would like to think

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<v Speaker 1>that I would be able to step outside of that,

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<v Speaker 1>but how can it not, You're right, yeah, So, so

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<v Speaker 1>the whole fact that it's all self reported, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>self reported data is almost always discarded in every other

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<v Speaker 1>area of science. It's it's anecdotal Well, that's because this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't really scientific if you think about it. No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's talk about something that's not scientific. It's a field,

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<v Speaker 1>a new subdiscipline called positive psychology. Yes, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>Um Martin us uh Seligman. Yeah. And you get the

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<v Speaker 1>impression by the that his name is associated with something

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<v Speaker 1>as ridiculously hippie sounding as positive psychology, that he's a

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<v Speaker 1>crack pot. Uh, he is not. In fact, he's a

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<v Speaker 1>PhD Uh. He runs the Center I think for Authentic

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<v Speaker 1>Happiness or something like that at the University of Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 1>so it is bona fide. He was the president of

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<v Speaker 1>the Yeah, and actually he dedicated their millennial issue to

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<v Speaker 1>positive psychology while he was president there. It was cool,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was also pretty self serving. And uh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure he had his stocks on. I'm quite sure. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But the whole field of positive psychology is basically, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they're exploring interventions, and an intervention is any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>treatment in the field of psychology. Right, they're exploring basically

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<v Speaker 1>what positive psychology is saying is I read a quote

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<v Speaker 1>in an article about it by another positive psychologist who said, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>psychology is very good at getting people from negative eight

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<v Speaker 1>to zero, but hasn't learned how to get people for

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<v Speaker 1>zero to eight positive eight? Right, And that's absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I mean, like, are you

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to get people to to positive eight? You know

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<v Speaker 1>about that, there's some real ethical questions that are raised.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say that we develop some sort of um pharmaco

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<v Speaker 1>psychiatric pill that can make a normal person happy. Should

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<v Speaker 1>that person take that pill? I mean, we've already established

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<v Speaker 1>as a society a baseline which is zero, and anybody

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<v Speaker 1>below that is suffering from a mental illness and deserves

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<v Speaker 1>treatment to get back to zero. Why should we accelerate

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<v Speaker 1>our our happiness? And in doing so are we are

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<v Speaker 1>we edging out real experiences? G the negative? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>life is full of both, right, right, But are you

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<v Speaker 1>gonna bring that home with the smart, intelligent or dumb

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<v Speaker 1>stupid thing? Or is that fall into the ignorance bliss category?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know how to categorize that.

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<v Speaker 1>Man interesting, Uh yeah, No, I was actually going to

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<v Speaker 1>go into um another kind of contrary therapy. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. You want to talk some more about positive psychology? No? No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good. Are you sure yeah, okay, all right, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>continue on that. Have you heard of, uh, what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Acceptance and commitment therapy? I have not actually see. I

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<v Speaker 1>have a leg up on you. I have to tell everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I've written a bunch of articles on happiness recently, and

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<v Speaker 1>poor Chuck's been writing nothing but social media stuff, which

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<v Speaker 1>is if this were about Twitter, I'd be sitting here silently.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I would too, actually would you. Um. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>there's a contrary field of therapy, uh to positive psychology.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called acceptance and commitment therapy, and basically it says, like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>you have good and bad experiences. You can't just focus

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<v Speaker 1>on the happy one because you still have these negative experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just crush him down or else you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>end up climbing a clock tower and shooting people. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So this, this therapy basically says what you do is

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<v Speaker 1>you go back. And I've got a perfect example for you.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was like five or six, we went to

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<v Speaker 1>this k o A campground and I had like this

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<v Speaker 1>awesome pac Man T shirt had like it was had

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<v Speaker 1>the red ring around the neck and the sleeves and

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<v Speaker 1>it was just like I think an iron on pac

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<v Speaker 1>Man right, and Uh, I decided to stuff a pack

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<v Speaker 1>of firecrackers down the front of my shirt stole him.

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<v Speaker 1>I got away with it right, and my family was

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<v Speaker 1>traveling back from this campground and we made it to

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<v Speaker 1>uh Wendy's and stopped to eat, and I got up

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the bathroom and the fire crackers. I

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<v Speaker 1>was too scared to do anything with him. I just

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<v Speaker 1>left him in my shirt for two hours. And so

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<v Speaker 1>when I stood up, my fat stomach pressed him up

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<v Speaker 1>against the pac Man shirt made this crickling sound. And

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<v Speaker 1>my mom immediately looked at me, and somehow she's so intuitive.

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<v Speaker 1>She looked at me and was like, what's in your shirt?

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<v Speaker 1>And that was that? That was so bad, Like on

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<v Speaker 1>my birthday. They took me home and showed me like

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<v Speaker 1>all the he Man stuff I wasn't gonna beginning for

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<v Speaker 1>my birthday that year. Uh, and they made me take

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<v Speaker 1>it back and take the firecrackers to the guy. We

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<v Speaker 1>turned around and went back. Yeah, it took the firecrackers

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<v Speaker 1>back to the guy, and I had to apologize. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought you were gonna say, they lit the firecrackers and

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<v Speaker 1>under your shirt, and then yeah, push put them in

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<v Speaker 1>my shirt and pushed me back into the store at

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<v Speaker 1>the k A campground. Um, so that was something that

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<v Speaker 1>definitely contributed to my outlook today. Like it's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>still very much in my mind, and I wonder like

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<v Speaker 1>just how much of that forms my personality, like how

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<v Speaker 1>much guilt from that? So under acceptance and commitment therapy,

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<v Speaker 1>basically I or anybody else would look at that and say, really, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you stole a pack of firecrackers when you were six

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<v Speaker 1>and you felt bad about it your whole life. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that you're thirty two, is it really that bad? So

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<v Speaker 1>you're basically becoming conscious of these experiences that are contribut

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<v Speaker 1>beating to your outlook on life, that just accumulate all

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<v Speaker 1>this crap. You know, I definitely subscribe more to act

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<v Speaker 1>than to positive psychology. I guess that's what I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to say. Me too. For sure, my shrink is real

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<v Speaker 1>big on that. But just from a practical standpoint, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not I've never even heard of use those words. It

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<v Speaker 1>just makes sense to me. It's practical as opposed. Emily

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<v Speaker 1>is always talking about people that bliss out and that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes she wishes that she has has that quality to

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<v Speaker 1>just bliss out and like, you know, leave it up

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<v Speaker 1>to the cosmos or Christians say they'll just leave it

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<v Speaker 1>up to God and let him take care of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know that's that's awesome if you can, If

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<v Speaker 1>you can do that, but are you dealing with it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great question, Chuck. The problem is we always

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<v Speaker 1>say on this podcast to each his own. So if

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<v Speaker 1>that is how you deal with life and it's working

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<v Speaker 1>for you, fantastic, Well I can't do it anymore than

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<v Speaker 1>you or Emily can't. Right, But if that means that

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<v Speaker 1>you end up on the couch just laughing your head off,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said it, America is funny some videos, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to think something worse than that. To be Saved

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<v Speaker 1>by the Bell it's pretty bad. Okay, let's go with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I find that show mortifyingly embarrassing. It is, and I

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<v Speaker 1>still can't want I can't stop watching. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>train wreck. Do you remember the show Hey Dude, So

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<v Speaker 1>Nickelodeon Show on Dude Ranch was bad. It was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like Saved by the Belbot on a Dude Ranch

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<v Speaker 1>and worse if you can imagine that right there. Yeah, So, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>if that if that's your end result, and that's in

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<v Speaker 1>your in your on the couch picking your boogers and

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<v Speaker 1>eating them and you're smiling laughing. Then who are we

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<v Speaker 1>to say, you know, whether or not ignorance is bliss

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<v Speaker 1>or blessing out is the right way to go. Although

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<v Speaker 1>possibly you should lay off the dope. Yeah maybe so.

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<v Speaker 1>Doritos are in the mixer somewhere. So I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>answer to this question chuck, our stupid people happier. The answers,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know, And whether you think that that's the

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<v Speaker 1>case or not would definitely depend on whatever self reported

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<v Speaker 1>anecdotal survey you read. Right. I think it's interesting. This

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<v Speaker 1>is one I want people to log on to the

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<v Speaker 1>blog when I do my Friday recap. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>hear about this. I'd like to hear some opinions calling

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<v Speaker 1>out I'm asking for it. Awesome. So, Josh, this was

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<v Speaker 1>a cool and remember in our Body Farms podcast, how

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<v Speaker 1>toward the end he said something about the lies perpetrated

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<v Speaker 1>by c s I, the television show. Yeah, I love

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<v Speaker 1>this email. This is really interesting, dude. Yes, indeed, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go. Uh, here's my first hand experience of

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<v Speaker 1>the lies perpetrated by TV in general and c s

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<v Speaker 1>I specifically. Five years ago, my wife was carjacked, robbed,

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<v Speaker 1>and assaulted. She escaped by her own wits and strength.

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<v Speaker 1>Her attacker had been smoking a cigarette during the attack.

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<v Speaker 1>They fought over a knife he had that he had

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<v Speaker 1>to her throat, and he cut her hands deeply. She

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<v Speaker 1>pulled the cigarette from his mouth and tried to burn

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<v Speaker 1>him with it, but it failed, which is that's a

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<v Speaker 1>great movie move, you know, turning on the After she

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<v Speaker 1>escaped and the police found the car, they found the cigarette,

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<v Speaker 1>but with her blood on the filter. Under the blood

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<v Speaker 1>they found his saliva, pulled the DNA from it, and

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<v Speaker 1>found him in the CODIS data bank, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>combined DNA index system, or as they call it, the

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<v Speaker 1>bad guy Data Bank exactly uh, which is made tamed

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<v Speaker 1>by the FBI. She went through the lineup at the

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<v Speaker 1>local precinct where they made the arrest. The grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>got the indictment, The trial happened, complete with the dramatic

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<v Speaker 1>that's a man who did at moment and sentencing. After

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<v Speaker 1>the case was closed, it was submitted by the county

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<v Speaker 1>forensics chief and accepted by the FBI to be featured

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<v Speaker 1>at that year's CODIS conference in d C. During every

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<v Speaker 1>phase of the process, we were amazed at how much

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<v Speaker 1>TV had lied to us about the process. The actual

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<v Speaker 1>working in the system is someone like what you see

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<v Speaker 1>on television as to be unrecognizable. During the conference, they

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<v Speaker 1>openly spoke of the c s I effects. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>basically these cops and forensics guys actually talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>that show is damaging UH, their work, their lying liars,

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<v Speaker 1>their lying liars, and how the public has been influenced

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<v Speaker 1>so much by these shows. So basically, he hates those

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<v Speaker 1>shows and he found it to be a lot of bunk.

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<v Speaker 1>I did converse with him a couple more times via email,

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<v Speaker 1>and he felt a lot of responsibility because he left

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<v Speaker 1>a wife in a running car with the heat on

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<v Speaker 1>and the radio on while he ran in to get

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream for Lord. And this is when she was

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<v Speaker 1>attacked and he had to say that in court, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, which made him feel like more of a jerk.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she was attacked and uh, he said, was just

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<v Speaker 1>like a TV show, except all the details of how

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<v Speaker 1>it really goes down. So it's the drama was all there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry Bruckheimer systematically undermining the law enforcement community. But she

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<v Speaker 1>fought him off, and this guy turns out had a

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<v Speaker 1>rap sheet of like rape and rape and murder and

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't get him on the murder charge because something

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<v Speaker 1>had happened I can't remember. So he ended up going

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<v Speaker 1>to prison for life in the pokey in the houscal

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<v Speaker 1>and the family of the raped and murder girl got closure.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we're at the trial at this lady strial.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you, Christopher for that harrowing tale. Seriously, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they should get T shirts. You think so? Yeah, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually you know you went through this. We'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you a T shirt that I know. I'm just kidding. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds insulting you, Yeah, exactly. You you narrowly averted

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<v Speaker 1>death by your own wits and you we'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>a T shirt for that. We should make a T shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>We shouldn't need it. Well, Christopher, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>send us yours, UH and your wife's UM T shirt

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<v Speaker 1>sizes and address, we will make sure that those go

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<v Speaker 1>out to you. Again, it's the least we can do.

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<v Speaker 1>No insult intended just to show of support for bringing

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<v Speaker 1>us this email. And if you have a harrowing tale

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