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Speaker 3: And welcome to the Drive. It is a Monday here

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Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh. Chili Monday in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Charlie. Last week's we were my aunt and uncle

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Speaker 3: The rains came in and low front and here we

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Speaker 3: are chili.

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Speaker 3: Football weather, football weather, and not much a lot of

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Speaker 3: action though not a lot of action around the league

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Speaker 3: other than some guys. I we'll get to the signings

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Speaker 3: and all that stuff later. I wanted to start today's

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Speaker 3: show off, Matt. One of the one of the things

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Speaker 3: that I heard a lot of over the weekend and

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Speaker 3: in recent weeks period is that the Steelers have mangled

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Speaker 3: their quarterback situation, haven't had a plan in place since

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Speaker 3: roethlis Ben roethlis Program said they have no quarterback plan.

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Speaker 3: Let's rewind on this. First of all, Ben Roethlisberger saying

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Speaker 3: that the Steelers had no quarterback plan, his kind of

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Speaker 3: revision is history. Because Ben Roethlisberger's reason they had no

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Speaker 3: quarterback plan in place for.

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Speaker 1: Better and worse, for better or worse. Yeah, the fact

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Speaker 1: that he was so good was the reason they didn't

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Speaker 1: have to have a play. Ye.

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Speaker 3: Not only that, but when they actually drafted a quarterback

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Speaker 3: who he saw as a challenge, he shut the guy out,

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Speaker 3: Rudolph who was.

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Speaker 1: A third round pick. He was not really a challenge.

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Speaker 3: So here's so in twenty thirteen, Ben Roethlisberger was thirty

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Speaker 3: one years old. Okay, they draft Landry Jones in the

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Speaker 3: fourth round. Not threatening, not threatening. Landry Jones was not threatening.

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Speaker 3: Ben Roethlisberger spot his number one quarterback, and you weren't

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Speaker 3: necessarily looking for that.

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Speaker 1: No, no, you weren't looking for the next guy. But

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Speaker 1: what are they guy?

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Speaker 3: What they did, though, is they were moving on with

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Speaker 3: Ben now thirty one. You didn't need the Charlie Batch

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Speaker 1: He was already the adult. He's now the order mentor

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Speaker 1: right right, right, you don't need the mentor what he

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Speaker 1: wants to cheap backup, right because he's expensive, right, Which

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Speaker 1: is what they did Lander Jones.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is what they did there in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Andanry Jones contract is basically running out here.

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Speaker 1: In contrary to popular belief, that's a successful pick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he goes a fine backup for you know,

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Speaker 1: not a bad pick.

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Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, they draft Josh Dobbs in the fourth round.

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Speaker 3: They then follow that up in twenty same thought, same thought.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Tie Gibbs is still in the league and

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Speaker 3: Twenty eighteen, they draft made some Rudolph. Kevin Colbert then

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Speaker 3: comes out and said, yeah, we we liked him. We

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Speaker 3: had a first first round grade on him.

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Speaker 1: I wish I bet Kevin regrets saying that, because it's

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Speaker 1: also too much pressure on Rudolph. First round grade can

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Speaker 1: be a very great, very vast Yeah, that's way different

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Speaker 1: than he's a blue chip talent. He's a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a fifteen type of pick.

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Speaker 3: For example, in that particular year, you had six quarterback,

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Speaker 3: five quarterbacks drafted ahead of Mason Rudolph. Doesn't mean that

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Speaker 3: the step that's darn Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen,

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Speaker 3: Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson, and then Mason Rudolph, who went

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Speaker 3: pick seventy six.

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Speaker 1: Five first rounders, then a gap and then him.

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Speaker 3: Now, if you're not in a draft where the quarterback

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Speaker 3: has that kind of depth to it, Mason Rudolph probably

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Speaker 3: doesn't go seventy sixth overall, right, because five teams took

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Speaker 1: If he comes out the picket year, he's competing with

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Speaker 3: So I could see if they if they had again

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Speaker 1: Right, And how often do we talk about how there's

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Speaker 1: fourteen players in this draft that are pure first round grade? Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm promise Rudolph wasn't one.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't one of those guys, right, But he might be

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Speaker 3: probably one of those guys that had a one to

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Speaker 1: Right, he's a next batch because he.

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Speaker 3: Goes fifty or sixty deep.

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Speaker 1: And plus the position he plays carries way to this

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Speaker 1: He could have been looking for a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And just because those other quarterbacks all went in the

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Speaker 3: top where they went. That doesn't mean they had Josh

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Speaker 3: Rosen with the first round grade, right, They may have

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Speaker 3: had Rudolph ranked ahead of Josh Rosen.

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Speaker 1: Like even look at last year's class, there were six

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Speaker 1: nothing in the second round and then there's a big

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Speaker 1: teams the drafted one wasn't going to go back to back.

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Speaker 3: The teams that needed quarterbacks went and got their quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Playoff teams weren't. They were looking for lineman or whatever

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Speaker 3: So they did that at that point.

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Speaker 1: Which is somewhat of a plan. Right, that's sort of

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Speaker 3: But in twenty was that at twenty eighteen? I said

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Speaker 3: thirty Ben Roethlisberger's thirty six years old. Ben Roethlisberger that

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Speaker 3: season led the NFL with fifty one twenty nine passing yards,

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Speaker 1: Which oh, by the way, at this point, they're winning

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Speaker 1: a lot of games, and a safety is going to

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Speaker 1: help you more than a project quarterback. Exactly. You're trying

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Speaker 1: to win now. You're pushing your that's their version of

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Speaker 1: pushing their chips in, which is different than the Browns

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Speaker 1: But you're in to win now. Your quarterback is slaying

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Speaker 3: Well, you know the end is.

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Speaker 1: You know the end is near. You don't know his

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Speaker 3: But in twenty nineteen, as you mentioned, he starts the

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Speaker 1: That's Mason's second year in the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty twenty. The twenty twenty draft, you had to

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow went number one overall to Attago vi Loa

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Speaker 3: think he went fifty thirty was the early.

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Speaker 1: Soon they didn't trade out for him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but if you remember the Steelers had traded made

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Speaker 3: the trade for Make and Fitzpatrick. Right now, even if

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Speaker 3: probably go at least six and ten that.

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Speaker 1: Year probably right, right, So.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to get that. They're not going to

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert unless they decide now's the time to push

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Speaker 1: all your chips in the trade out. But I don't

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Speaker 1: saying it made the deal from Ariasmetic right, which they

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so they made the deal, Okay, Now could

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Speaker 3: they have you know, if they don't make that deal,

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Speaker 3: they could have taken Jordan Love.

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Speaker 1: But that's why. I mean, if they didn't make the deal,

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Speaker 1: they maybe they loved Herbert and they trade future first

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Speaker 1: Chargers are not also in love with Herbert, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean you also have to get there. You could

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Speaker 1: have taken Love, who took five years to develop, right.

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Speaker 3: The way, it wasn't an immediate starter.

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Speaker 1: It was Southern Utah.

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Speaker 3: You could have taken Jalen Hurts in the second round. Instead,

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Speaker 3: they took Chase Claypole. But Hurts wasn't an immediate starter either.

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Speaker 1: No, they had Wentz. I mean, right, it was a

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Speaker 3: Right, it's a projection for down the road.

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Speaker 1: We were all shocked when they turned in the card

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Speaker 1: for her. Yeah, twenty it worked out, but it's taken

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Speaker 3: They get through that. And you had Roethlisberger coming back

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Speaker 3: at thirty eight. But that year he threw thirty eight

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Speaker 1: He's still good.

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Speaker 3: He was still a good player right right the following season.

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Speaker 3: He's now thirty nine, twenty twenty one, and if you

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Speaker 3: want to look at that twenty twenty one draft, that

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Speaker 1: Which is turning into a pretty terrible draft, right.

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Speaker 3: The guys drafted after that where Kyle Trask in the

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Speaker 1: And from my recollection, that draft class was being talked

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Speaker 1: about like last year's draft class was rare, you know,

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Speaker 1: five first round er types, you know, bad though.

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Speaker 3: If you look at it in terms of the overall depth,

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Speaker 3: ten quarterbacks drafted is one of the lower numbers of

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Speaker 1: The five first Yeah, who destealers taking the first round

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Speaker 3: Picked twenty twenty one? Was Nagee Harris? Okay, I mean

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Speaker 3: those guys they were twenty twenty one, So those guys

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Speaker 3: those guys are long gone at that point, and so

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Speaker 3: they you know, they go into that twenty twenty one season. Again,

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Speaker 3: Roethlisberger's coming off a season which he threw for thirty

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Speaker 3: eight hundred yards and thirty three touchdowns. So they said, okay,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna discuss this with Ben. Ben's right, we want

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Speaker 3: Ben to take a pack cut. We don't know that

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Speaker 3: you know he's that guy anymore, which proved to be correct, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, which is a touchy subject for any Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame quarterback at the end of their road. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like the Eli stuff with the Giants wasn't pretty at

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Speaker 1: the end. There's no right answer. You don't just kick

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Speaker 3: The door, right He won twelve They won twelve games

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're a contender right right now.

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Speaker 3: The next season they go nine and he goes nine

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Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett was a third round pick. No, Kenny Pickett

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Speaker 1: Before and say they're all really early. Yuck, they're all early.

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Speaker 3: Then you got Will Levis at pick thirty three. Then

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Speaker 3: we're looking at Hendon Hooker and Jake Hayner, Stetson, Bennett,

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Speaker 3: Think about some of the quarterbacks. For example, in that

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Speaker 1: Or was out there this offseason? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Seriously wanted the Steelers to go out and sign Jameis Winston.

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Speaker 1: I did? I mean I thought those those three at

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Speaker 1: And now everyone listens, well, you should lose every game

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Speaker 1: not happening. Get over that, nor should it, Nor should it.

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Speaker 3: Even the twenty twenty three I mean, you know signing

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Speaker 1: The answer, no, would you be in a light years

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Speaker 1: better shape? Of course? On it is what it is,

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Speaker 3: No, right, that would not That is not the answer, right, No.

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Speaker 3: So I mean you have to get yourself in the position.

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Speaker 3: And you know, last year's draft looks like it looks

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Speaker 3: great at twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Four, it does, it does, but we don't know yet.

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Speaker 1: I mean subject to change. Stroud looked amazing three and

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Speaker 1: as good. It wouldn't shop me with Jaden Daniels takes

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Speaker 3: But those five guys I went in the top ten,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeahs liked them too, right, He wasn't getting past

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Speaker 1: And this offseason is messy. I mean that's pretty clear.

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Speaker 3: This offseason. You knew going into this because the quarterback

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Speaker 3: in free agency? Isn't you know, knock your socks off.

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Speaker 3: If there's no, there's no Joe Burrow is not becoming

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Speaker 1: No, No, I mean that you.

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Speaker 3: Have to figure things out. You got to find the

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Speaker 1: Now, they did some of this, and it's something you

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Speaker 1: and I have harped on since we've done the drive.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if you took one in the fourth round every year,

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Speaker 1: somebody would be there that you'd be happy with, right,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Now you would have lost

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Speaker 1: Most of them are terrible. Most of them are off, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if it's Dack Prescott, great, you were the

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Speaker 3: But but the way quarterbacks now get drafted in the NFL, they.

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Speaker 1: Get pushed up, they get any traders, right.

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Speaker 1: He's got trades, I mean, that's the thing, you know,

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Speaker 3: won't look at that one. Twenty twenty one, after Mac Jones,

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Speaker 3: it was Kyle Trash, Kellemon, Davis, Mills, Ian Book, Sam Ellinger. Right,

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Speaker 3: After Hurts got taken, it picked fifty three Jacob Eeson,

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Speaker 1: Most of these guys, party's probably the only one in

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Speaker 3: Twenty nineteen, after Drew Locke went, it picked forty two

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Speaker 3: Will Greer, Ryan Finley, Jared Stidham, Easton, Stick, Clayton Thornton, Gardner,

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Speaker 1: Terrible.

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Speaker 3: That's like four years of guys there, and Minshew's the

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Speaker 1: Like making money or you know, desirable in any way, right,

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to go into season with Minshew. No,

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Speaker 1: the Raiders were very happy to make that. James absolutely

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Speaker 3: Dak, I'm looking. I'm looking.

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Speaker 1: That's ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking. I'm looking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, either what a fifth rounder or sixth he was

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Speaker 1: So the rookies and second year guys, their story is

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Speaker 3: So you got you got to you've got to pick

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Speaker 3: And so maybe next year is a great year for quarterbacks. Again,

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Speaker 1: Him, right. I guess there are some other prospects, but

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Speaker 1: don't pretend like you know, and some of them will

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Speaker 1: Right ever too, why bother you?

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Speaker 3: So the eye is to make yourself as good a

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Speaker 3: team as possible right now.

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Speaker 1: And which is happening with the comp picks and the

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Speaker 1: cap space when you decide you fall in love with one. Now,

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Speaker 1: I got the tools to go pound right, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that could happen at any point.

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Speaker 3: That's not that's dealing with the reality.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm putting money money in the bank to when

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Speaker 1: the best deal on the car comes down. Others on Lamborghini,

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Speaker 1: there's been a Lamborghini coming off the line forever. We're

447
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Speaker 1: one of the few teams that can afford one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the revisionist history, for example, on Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 3: getting that that, well, you know, they got Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 3: at the end of the first round. But yeah, they

451
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Speaker 3: also drafted a tight end. They being the Ravens, drafted

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Speaker 3: a tight end before they took Lamar Jackson traded back

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Speaker 3: into the first round to get him, and that's.

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Speaker 1: A great move. It's a great move.

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Speaker 3: But if they thought he was going to be Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 3: take him with the first damn pick and not taking

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Speaker 3: Hunter hayden Hurst.

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course, and some of it is luck too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the year you needed one was the worst

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Speaker 1: quarterback draft we've seen in a while. There's that, and

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Speaker 1: they're not going to pick first overall. But I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say the year since he was taken one first overall,

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Speaker 1: it happened to would be a pretty good one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: who probably would have been good no matter where.

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Speaker 3: But I also mocked in twenty eighteen, I put out

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Speaker 3: a mock mock draft a week before the draft where

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Speaker 3: I had the Steelers taking Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I got skewered.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure, skewer I'm sure he's a running back.

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Speaker 3: He can't play. He's not a quarterback. He's not a quarterback. Now,

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Speaker 3: everybody saw that he should have taken Lamar Jackson. Which

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Speaker 3: is it, folks, Because if you were one of those

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Speaker 3: people who were hurting me back then, I don't want

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Speaker 3: to hear from.

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Speaker 1: You right now. He was not exactly a popular pick. No,

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Speaker 1: that guy can't play. Even people in Baltimore weren't real happy,

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Speaker 1: but we get ways to pick. That's when Harbaugh was

479
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Speaker 1: on the hot seat. Absolutely different back then, right, absolutely yeah.

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Speaker 3: They took a tight end in the twenty six year

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Speaker 3: old tight end in the first round, and there were they.

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Speaker 1: Took jacks right, exactly. I don't know. I don't have

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Speaker 1: a whole lot else to add except for it's just hard.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got to keep taking bites at the apple.

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Speaker 1: There's got to be apples to bite, right, that's the

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Speaker 1: thing that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: Little the apples are all a little shriveled up things in

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Speaker 3: the like You're like, I'm hungry, I got to eat something.

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Speaker 3: I guess I'll eat that. It's not going to taste great.

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Speaker 1: In the year, you're definitely biting an apple. There was

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Speaker 1: a drought, right, It's like, you know, so no, and

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Speaker 1: in the meantime you've been to the playoffs, right to

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Speaker 1: be a fifty year I mean, I can understand where

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Speaker 1: Ben or a national analyst would say they don't have

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Speaker 1: a plan, but that's not how it phrase it. But

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Speaker 1: at least if you have a new starter five years in,

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Speaker 1: the plan should have been right right, Like, boy, you

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Speaker 1: should have taken Dak Prescott in the third round then

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Speaker 1: because you knew he was great, you know.

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Speaker 3: Like, let's also remember Dak Prescott, who the Steelers also liked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how did d u y right before? Did he? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Right before? I think it was right before the draft.

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Speaker 1: He's also a lot better pro the Colors player accuracy

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Speaker 1: and all those things. So some of that his many

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Speaker 1: rings either yeah, cowboy fans aren't happy with him or

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Speaker 1: that either right? Anyways, our team of the way thing either,

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Speaker 1: Let's get.

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Speaker 3: To a break. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: This is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt

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Speaker 3: now'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 2: At least he is the drive with Dale Lolly and

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of

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Speaker 2: the Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back to the drive. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and Matt Over the weekend,

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Speaker 3: the Cincinnati Bengals coming to terms with Jamar Chase and

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Speaker 3: T Higgins on new contracts. Chase gets four years, one

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty one million dollars which includes one hundred

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Speaker 3: and twelve million guaranteed, and Higgins gets four years one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen million dollars in which the first two

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Speaker 3: years are guaranteed. The Bengals are intent on continuing to

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Speaker 3: be the Bengals. I'm not saying that they're wrong to

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Speaker 3: lock those two players up. They're both great players. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 3: But the thing that we've heard basically since the second

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Speaker 3: quarter of the Super Bowl is you got to win

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Speaker 3: in the trenches.

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Speaker 1: They're right, they're not taking that approach.

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Speaker 3: They're not. They're taking a completely different approach.

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Speaker 1: They are. There's a lot of layers to this, and

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Speaker 1: from where they sit now, I would have done the

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Speaker 1: same thing. Now, what if the troubled receiver Burton they

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Speaker 1: drafted in the third round from Bama? Whoa, we got

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Speaker 1: a dude. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think that changes.

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Speaker 1: Changed everything, right, I mean then I think, as it

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Speaker 1: turned out, because Higgins, they took the wrong dude, right right,

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Speaker 1: I mean they took a character risk, they took a risk.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's a first round type guy. But all

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Speaker 3: this off the field stuff, when we're talking off the

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Speaker 3: field stuff with him, like drastic he was the first

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Speaker 3: round Comparing that that troubled player to say, George Pickens

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Speaker 3: night and day, right, right right, This is a guy

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Speaker 3: who couldn't be bothered to go to a team meeting

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Speaker 3: in the team hotel that he was staying in.

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Speaker 1: I think I kicked out of two schools too. I

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Speaker 1: mean two schools long.

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Speaker 3: Track round like there's a lot of stuff there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's not the only mistake. I had no

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Speaker 1: problem taking that bite in the apple that wasn't in

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Speaker 1: first round.

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Speaker 3: But they've been known to roll the dice on trouble

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Speaker 3: guy character.

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Speaker 1: More so than most teams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now I would have signed both those receivers. And frankly,

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Speaker 1: I don't even care about the money because there's too

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Speaker 1: much money in the NFL right now, and I don't

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Speaker 1: even know how to value contracts at this point because

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Speaker 1: cap goes up, up up, and everyone's contracts are noticeably

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Speaker 1: more than the one ahead of them. So fine, it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of money, and I understand keeping those three together.

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Speaker 1: That's what you do. Well, you are basically to five

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Speaker 1: hundred team all based off of that. And if I

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Speaker 1: can get my defense, now here's where I here's where

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Speaker 1: I go off the road with them is if I

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Speaker 1: can get my defense to slightly below average or in

567
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Speaker 1: the average neighborhood, we're probably a ten plus win team.

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Speaker 1: And their biggest body, their.

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Speaker 3: Biggest addition there is bringing in Al Golden Right and

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Speaker 3: replacing lou An Arumo, who two years ago, lou An

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Speaker 3: Arumo was being allotted. Well, he's the guy that went

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Speaker 3: in and shut down the homes in Kansas City and

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Speaker 3: gave them a chance to win that game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So my homework I've done on that side of

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Speaker 1: the ball, which totally adds up, is first off, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that Hendrickson can now come back.

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Speaker 3: Who knows they're saying they're trying to do it. They're trying,

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Speaker 3: and to the Bengals credit, they actually do spend money

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Speaker 3: on their own They do it their own way, and

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Speaker 3: they are a mom and pop organization by NFL scan standards.

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Speaker 3: But they're not cheap cheap. I mean, like these guys

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Speaker 3: are making good money now. As in Marumo. It's pretty

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Speaker 3: clear that the team thinks we gave you good prospects,

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Speaker 3: you didn't turn them into good players. So we're going

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Speaker 3: to take the easy road here and fire him as

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Speaker 3: opposed to eleven players. Maybe they're right, but two years ago.

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Speaker 3: He was pretty well sought after and was pretty smart

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Speaker 3: two years ago and market long.

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Speaker 1: Either it was on the olden market long and only

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Speaker 1: he got dumb all of a sudden. I don't know

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Speaker 1: a ton about Golden except for his extensive college background.

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Speaker 1: He rotates a lot of players, there's a very NFL

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Speaker 1: type scheme at Notre Dame. He seems like a good hire.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he can deal with these young guys that they've

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Speaker 1: missed on better than the old curmudgeon. Maybe maybe, But

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Speaker 1: you look at their defense on paper, it's flat out bad.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's like years old. Let's not pretend he's

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Speaker 1: not an old curmudget exactly, but I mean he's just

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Speaker 1: dealt with college kids, and you know the younger defensive

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Speaker 1: players he's going to deal with. Now, I have a

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Speaker 1: real problem. It's a it's a small thing, but don't

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Speaker 1: double down and sign Geseki like to me, that's where

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Speaker 1: they're that's an error because you can find him in

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Speaker 1: the third round of every draft. You know, an athletic

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Speaker 1: tight end that can run, that doesn't block anybody. Those

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Speaker 1: guys exist everywhere and this draft has six of them.

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Speaker 1: So if you need that guy, don't invest your money

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Speaker 1: in that give that to a starting outside linebacker or whatever.

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Speaker 1: That's one starter on defense you could have had. I

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Speaker 1: kind of get it in that in Burrow we trust,

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Speaker 1: and I know there's some people out there going, well,

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Speaker 1: if Burrow's that good, he should turn Yoshavas into an

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Speaker 1: eighty catch guy. He should and maybe he would, who knows.

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Speaker 1: I mean opposite Chase. Now, I also think, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not usually a big believer in this sort of thing,

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Speaker 1: but in this case too, I do want to keep

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Speaker 1: my star quarterback happy. I mean, he's the by far

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Speaker 1: the biggest asset in this organization, and he's making a

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Speaker 1: strong case to keep his two dudes we gave them

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Speaker 1: to him. Those three are doing their job times ten.

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Speaker 1: Let's keep good mojo in the locker room to keep

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Speaker 1: our most important guy as happy as possible. And you

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Speaker 1: know he's going to bite and scratch for you, which

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Speaker 1: he always does. Now, Like if they spend money on

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Speaker 1: a running back or something like that. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: another critical error in the end. Though, are they now?

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Speaker 1: Do they have a better chance of winning the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl now than they did two weeks ago?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: No, no, I mean they don't. It's kind of just

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Speaker 1: status quo and hopefully they find defensive players.

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Speaker 3: Al Golden has never been a coordinator in the NFL

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Speaker 3: right right now. He's coordinated at the collegiate level in

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Speaker 3: the last few years. He was a coordinator at Virginia

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Speaker 3: for a few years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a good reputation. He's a college guy.

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Speaker 3: He was also at one point a tight ends coach

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Speaker 3: in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Okay, like, at least he's been the league, but that's

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Speaker 1: a different world.

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Speaker 3: And he was a linebackers coach for the you know,

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Speaker 3: for the Bengals. But it's kind of an.

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Speaker 1: Unknown unknown adjusting to the NFL, even if you've been there.

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Speaker 1: His night and day difference as a play caller, Like,

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Speaker 1: look what happened in Seattle. They hire Washington's offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: and he's running college stuff and it's a disaster.

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Speaker 3: It's a disaster used typically when those college guys have

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Speaker 3: made a big jump up like that, and that hasn't

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Speaker 3: worked rarely.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's somewhat of a different game. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a slightly different football with different hash marks, with

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Speaker 1: way different protection schemes and things like that. I tell

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Speaker 1: a story all the time it's not even like a secret.

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Speaker 1: But when I hosted that podcast with Ross Tucker, Ross

655
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Speaker 1: had been in the league for a while, and he

656
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Speaker 1: eventually goes to Washington. Yeah, and Spurrier is the big

657
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Speaker 1: higher and he's like, boy, he's got a lot of energy.

658
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Speaker 1: You could tell he's been around a winner. He's like

659
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Speaker 1: his offensive line, he's like he had no clue about

660
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Speaker 1: NFL protections, and the opponents figured that out real quick.

661
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Speaker 1: You know, you can't just have three protections, you know

662
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Speaker 1: what I mean. Like these college guys, they can get

663
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Speaker 1: away with that stuff, especially if you're a big time

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Speaker 1: program with really good players like the Florida Gators.

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Speaker 3: And given what the Bengals are going to be spending

666
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Speaker 3: on their defense, his defense at Notre Dame might have been.

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Speaker 1: Higher paid or right, maybe we want to transfer those guys, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what their answer is either. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I'd have done differently other than

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Speaker 1: the Gseki move, because I would have given the receivers

671
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Speaker 1: their money. But it's still being uphill climb to build

672
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Speaker 1: a defense. And oh, by the way, the old line

673
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Speaker 1: is not great either on the interior. Yeah, you know,

674
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Speaker 1: Burrow's going to get hit and you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I applaud them for spending and keeping guys

676
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Speaker 3: I didn't think they'd be able to keep and that's great,

677
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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I mean, they

678
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Speaker 3: don't know they're better. They tried to have a plan

679
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Speaker 3: in place so they didn't have to sign Higgins. That's

680
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Speaker 3: why they drafted Joseyvus, That's why they drafted Burton.

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Speaker 1: Right, They're hoping to hit gold with one of them. Yeah,

682
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Speaker 1: it didn't work out, right, You knew Chase was never

683
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Speaker 1: going anywhere, right, You weren't.

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Speaker 3: You weren't. He's going to probably be a Bengal for life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at least until London Borough or a good right.

686
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Speaker 3: But yeah, So it also goes to show to me

687
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Speaker 3: what this free agent class was kind of.

688
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Speaker 1: Like, I almost said the same thing, but I thought

689
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Speaker 1: it was gonna be a way bigger discussion. Look at

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Speaker 1: the thirty two teams and I understand there's some Listeners

691
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Speaker 1: and some Steeler people that are underwhelmed with this free

692
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Speaker 1: agent hall so far. The Metcalf's a little bit different situation.

693
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Speaker 1: How many teams are really better now than they were

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Speaker 1: when the season ended three four, you know, like the

695
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: Patriots are one of them, but they have one hundred

696
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Speaker 1: million dollars under the cap. Still they can't even spend

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Speaker 1: their money. Yeah, like the Chargers tried. Were they going

698
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Speaker 1: to spend it on? You know? Like are they gonna give

699
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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper more than he should just so they have

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Speaker 1: a receiver? Like, I don't know. I mean, the Vikings

701
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Speaker 1: I think are a better team. The Bears are a better.

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Speaker 3: Interesting thing about that. The other day I was listening

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Speaker 3: to Jim Miller and Pat Kerwin serious and Kerwin said

704
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Speaker 3: that the teams that have spent the most money in

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Speaker 3: free agency.

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Speaker 1: Year, yeah, several years, I bet they'll have a bad record.

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Speaker 3: The team that spent the most in free agency has

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Speaker 3: averaged and has gotten getting better by three wins.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good, not great.

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Speaker 3: But if you're, for example, the page number one, right,

711
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: the Patriots this year, well they get nowhere to go.

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Speaker 1: But they're gonna win more games.

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Speaker 3: And if I'm if I'm Robert Crafton, I'm looking at

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Speaker 3: this and I'm going, okay, I just I just spent

715
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Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy million dollars in real money.

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Speaker 1: In real money, right, dollars out of my pocket.

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Speaker 3: And it's gonna get me to six wins, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean an off season from now, I better be

719
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Speaker 1: in the position I'm.

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Speaker 3: Going to spend sixty million dollars per win.

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, if I'm in his shoes, I'm going

722
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Speaker 1: to understand that Rome wasn't built in a day. He

723
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Speaker 1: is not a good roster. And if you're sitting here

724
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Speaker 1: at this time next year and be like, we don't

725
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Speaker 1: have any real defensive needs. We built that. We took

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Speaker 1: care of that in year one of the rebuild with

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Speaker 1: Rabel cool In Mays in his third year, he's starting

728
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Speaker 1: to elevate people. Then I'm excited. But if if it's

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Speaker 1: we're hitting our head on six wins and that's the

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Speaker 1: best we can do, and I'm just throwing money at nothing,

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Speaker 1: what's that get you fired?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're the GM, it gets you fired.

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Speaker 1: I do urge people, and I actually I'm gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: What teams now have a better chance to win the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl than they did when the season ended, give

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Speaker 1: or take not really many. I mean that are better

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Speaker 1: football teams, yea. And I know there's none of us

738
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Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback, but Metcalf makes you better in

739
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Speaker 1: that run makes you bet. I mean that in itself.

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Speaker 1: I mean their quarterback situation is not as good there.

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Speaker 1: Slay makes you better, makes you better, right, they upgraded

742
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Speaker 1: the two positions. Is it the most overwhelming free agency

743
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Speaker 1: class ever? No, but I mean the other three teams

744
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,959
Speaker 1: in division aren't better than they were.

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Speaker 3: And I mean I understand that they were defensive tackles

746
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: out there that people wanted and would have helped this team.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, not into paying Milton Williams twenty

748
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Speaker 3: seven million dollars no than Allen would have been. He

749
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Speaker 3: was still twenty million dollars. Yeah, I'm not paying him

750
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Speaker 3: twenty million dollars guys at age thirty one. The other

751
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Speaker 3: I'm not paying him twice what I was paying Ogunjobie basically.

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Speaker 1: And some of its timing too, Like if you knew,

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00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: which we don't even now, Rogers and Wilson aren't going

754
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Speaker 1: to be Steelers. You're gonna roll with Rudolph in a draft.

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Speaker 3: Pick, which is folks, that's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't not going to have either. Then you would

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Speaker 1: have maybe spent twenty on Allen, you know, like you

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Speaker 1: had you had to have something set aside for quarterback,

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Speaker 1: which you still set aside.

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Speaker 3: You still have more money set aside for quarterback than

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Speaker 3: the other teams who are in this conversation. You have

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Speaker 3: more money than the Giants, You have more money than

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Speaker 3: the Vikings. So as much as those well, you know,

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Speaker 3: the Vikings, I believe would have to do something with

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Speaker 3: their cap.

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Speaker 1: To get Rogers.

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Speaker 3: To get Rogers, yeah, that's why it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: They signed two defensive tackles, a center and a guard.

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Speaker 1: They spent all their money there and still and I

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Speaker 1: even said they're better than the I think they have

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Speaker 1: a better chance to win the Super Bowl now, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if McCarthy's as good

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Speaker 1: as Dark.

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Speaker 3: That's why I don't know. That's why I don't think

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Speaker 3: that they have a better chance right now.

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Speaker 1: That's way better than the lines of scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: The question that they're asking themselves right now. Okay, we

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Speaker 3: like McCarthy. We took them tenth overall last year. We

779
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Speaker 3: like them that much. We're going to hand them the

780
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Speaker 3: keys this Ferrari right.

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Speaker 1: Now, with what we have. If we threw Rogers on here,

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Speaker 1: maybe we do then you have a better tea.

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Speaker 3: But then you just use the tenth overall pick on

784
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Speaker 3: McCarthy and you're like.

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Speaker 1: And you're'll be done with your two. And you don't know.

786
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Speaker 1: If you don't know, if you don't player right right right,

787
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Speaker 1: you don't know anything. And the whole plan all along

788
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Speaker 1: was let's build a team around a rookie contract so we.

789
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Speaker 3: Can so we can spend on all these other things.

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Speaker 1: Right, justin Jefferson is gonna be expensive, et cetera, et cetera. Right,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, like you look at the Niners,

792
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: They're not close to as good as they were. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many teams are better. And I

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00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: thought the Chargers would take a big step forward. I

795
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Speaker 1: mean they're throwing to Mike Williams as their number two receiver.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a great We knew this coin and it

797
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: was bad offseason. There's just weren't teams weren't letting their

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Speaker 3: own guys go.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, you're gonna sign Stingley today. I mean, like,

800
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: the guys are good, are gonna get paid now? Right?

801
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: I mean DJ's gontat other I mean those guys don't

802
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: hit free agency anymore. Milton Williams is the best defense

803
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: player on the market. It's fine.

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Speaker 3: I mean, now he's being paid like he's the best

805
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: defensive tackle in the league. Yeah, which he's not.

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Speaker 1: And frankly, if he wasn't on a super Bowl team,

807
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: he may not even hit the market. I mean, if

808
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: he would have been on the Bears or something, they

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00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: probably would have just re upped them a year ago

810
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Speaker 1: and never even got to this point. I mean the

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Speaker 1: Eagles didn't. They have plenty of reinforcements. They knew they

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Speaker 1: couldn't keep them, you know, like going shopping and free

813
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: agency mark when the cap going up like crazy just

814
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Speaker 1: means people are gonna stay with their teams.

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Speaker 3: And the thing is, and this kind of goes back

816
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Speaker 3: to what we just talked about in the previous segment.

817
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 3: Don't upset your financial apple cart. Don't spend a bunch

818
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Speaker 3: of money just to spend a bunch of money. Spend

819
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Speaker 3: money wisely, because.

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Speaker 1: That's the Jacksonville move. The next time, ye you.

821
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Speaker 3: Know you didn't have you don't have the Steelers, don't

822
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Speaker 3: have a ton of expenditures going in the future years right,

823
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, don't do that now because you want

824
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Speaker 3: to set yourself up to be able to get the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I've even heard and I don't know

826
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Speaker 1: what they're going to do with George Pickens, but well,

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Speaker 1: how could they possibly pay George Pickenson? They could pay

828
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Speaker 1: them anything they want, right, they can pay them the matter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, paying guys is not a problem.

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Speaker 3: You think the CAP's not going up another thirty million

831
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Speaker 3: dollars next year exactly at least twenty.

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Speaker 1: Five Extend him right now if he felt was comfortable

833
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Speaker 1: doing it. I mean, money's not a problem. They're another

834
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Speaker 1: team that's got a lot under the cap right now.

835
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Speaker 1: It's not like the Patriots, but you can.

836
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Speaker 3: Have more better players in the Patriots, right, I mean

837
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 3: when when the Patriots roster would you like.

838
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Speaker 1: When Porter's up. They're not going to lose them, you know,

839
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Speaker 1: like those type of dudes, right, keep drafting well and

840
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: don't let them ever hit the market. Your two tackles,

841
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: they're good. You're not going to lose them, right right,

842
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: that's where the league is right now, let's get to

843
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: another break. He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lelly.

844
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Speaker 1: You're listening to the.

845
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Speaker 3: Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt now back

846
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: with more right after this.

847
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: At least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

848
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

849
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Speaker 2: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly, he is

851
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson and Matt. I don't know if you're

852
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: aware of this or not, but every team right now

853
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: we knew this owns their first round.

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Speaker 1: Which is really weird.

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00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beyond really weird because this is the latest

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Speaker 3: that has happened since nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't know that part. That's pretty bonkers to me.

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Speaker 1: It's weird because I had a conversation on our podcast

859
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Speaker 1: today about all these teams want to trade back. Who's

860
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: trading up? You know? Yeah, I mean we couldn't come

861
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: up with many names or players to trade up for.

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Speaker 1: I keep thinking maybe the offensive linemen are going to

863
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Speaker 1: are goinging. The mocks don't have enough linemen going as

864
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Speaker 1: high as are going to go, right, because.

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Speaker 3: More just got twenty more than twenty million dollars a year, right,

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Speaker 3: these guys are like offensive linemen are needed. Other teams

867
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Speaker 3: out there who didn't get Damn Moore, The offensive tackles, right,

868
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: they're unhappy about it.

869
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you and I were talking off the air,

870
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: like Connorley from Oregon, good prospect, pure tackle, has the

871
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: arm length, the height, the athleticism. He's got work to do,

872
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: but everyone mocks them. At twenty five to Houston or whatever,

873
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: he might go six. Yeah, because where else am I

874
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: going to get one? You know, capologists are gonna, you know,

875
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: money guys are gonna go the owner and go to

876
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: the GM and be like, if we don't take a tackle,

877
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: we're not going to get one. I don't care where

878
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: he's ranked on our board. It's the same conversation as quarterbacks. Yeah,

879
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: they just aren't.

880
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: And and in this year's draft, I know we've been

881
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 3: doing our draft series on Steelers dot Com, the Triple

882
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: Take You you need to check out out if you haven't,

883
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 3: there aren't the high end, can't miss prospects at offensive

884
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 3: tackle in this draft.

885
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: Nothing.

886
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: And there's only so many guys in this draft, Like

887
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: there are people in last year's draft who thought Troy

888
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: Foutanu he might be a guard strictly because of his height.

889
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: His arm length was fantastic, right, great, it's it's ideal

890
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: arm length for a tackle, yep, But well he's not.

891
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 3: He's half an inch too short to be No, he's

892
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: a tackle, and in this year's draft he might he

893
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 3: would be a top ten pick.

894
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: I was about to say, I think he goes four

895
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: maybe five like the Patriots. I think would take him

896
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: over Membo or definitely over Campbell.

897
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: I mean, because he's a tackle and he's he's got

898
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 3: he's the same height as those.

899
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: Guys basically and moves just as well if not.

900
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 3: But they've got like thirty two inch arms. Yeah, for

901
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: thirty three inch arms. He's got thirty four plus inch arms.

902
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: I mean the guys that there's no questions about alt

903
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: he's in contention for one or two overall. I mean,

904
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: if Dan Moore's worth twenty million, isn't Joe altw worth

905
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: the second pick in the draft. Or if Dan Moore's

906
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: worth twenty million, isn't connorly Worth the eighth pick in

907
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:09,959
Speaker 1: the draft?

908
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

909
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: Where else am I going to get him?

910
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: And I think what we could see in the draft

911
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: is some movement with those kind of guys.

912
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: Maybe, you know, especially if there are more tackles and

913
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: there's a Simmons could show that he's healthy, they go

914
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: a long way, you know.

915
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: But I think teams might be willing to take that

916
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: swing at those guys because, well, I look at this prospect,

917
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: let's say Campbell for example. Well, if it doesn't work out,

918
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to move him the guard. Well, the fifty

919
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 3: year option on that.

920
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: Is a problem. Is a problem, Yeah, yeah.

921
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: Right have he might be a he might be a

922
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 3: great guard.

923
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Linderbaum conversation.

924
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: But do I want to pay him five four, three

925
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: years from now when he's when his fifty year option

926
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 3: comes due. At that point, it's going to be thirty

927
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: million dollars?

928
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 1: No, right, I'm probably more, you know, yeah, when Alt

929
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: breaks a bank at that point and Soul's already making

930
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: thirty five or whatever. The best tackles in the league,

931
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: whoever they are.

932
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: I can't pick that fifty year option up on those guys.

933
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: The other counter argument, you're fifty year options dead on.

934
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: But are we gonna see more guards going high just

935
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: because you can't get them either? I mean, this is

936
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: such an o line shortage. And then the other argument.

937
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: Too, Well, then then you may see teams actually push

938
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 3: and the NFLPA would never sign on the NFLPA loves

939
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: a fifty year option where the guards and centers get

940
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: paid like their offensive talents, because that's more money for

941
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: the yeah, for their guys. But teams might start looking

942
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: at this one. Well, I can't pay, we can't continue.

943
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: We have to break this down even more so that.

944
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: Should have happened last CBA. When when does the new

945
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: CBA twenty thirty. Yeah, I knew it wasn't soon, but yeah,

946
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: there's another argument, like, we're doing a mock draft tomorrow,

947
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: triple take on the air, and I did my thirty

948
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: two teams and I didn't mean it to go this way,

949
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: but only had two wide receivers going in the first round.

950
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't love the receiver class as a basic And

951
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: I looked at a lot of teams out they'll take

952
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: an edge, they'll take a shot on alignment. If Jamar

953
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: Chase is making forty, isn't Luther Burton worth the twentieth pick?

954
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I mean a guy that's

955
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: not close, But I mean they're spending I don't know.

956
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to figure out the economics of

957
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: free agency and how it affects the draft. I mean,

958
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: that's kind of what's been on my I don't know.

959
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: That it affects the wide receivers because it's.

960
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: Not like tackles or he can't they don't exist.

961
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: They don't exist, right, and you need you know, sixty

962
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 3: four offensive tackles have to play. You can find receivers.

963
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: And there's ten of ten offensive linemen on every team. Yeah,

964
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, even a center it's not

965
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: the easiest thing to find to block right Jones.

966
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Speaker 3: But wide receivers, I mean, this year's the outlier. Yeah,

967
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: Like every year over the last decade we've got it's

968
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: a really good receiver draft, right right, you know this

969
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: year it's Okay. Ted McMillan he ran a four to

970
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: four eight by some metrics today, Oh.

971
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Speaker 1: He did today, I did.

972
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Speaker 3: But then I see people come out, Well you got

973
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: to realize that four four eight that he ran at

974
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: air Zona State or Arizona that translates to you know,

975
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: low four fives in Indy.

976
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they do have conversions for this stuff. Now

977
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: was it outdoor?

978
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: So don't don't look at it well tech McMillan sub

979
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Speaker 3: four five.

980
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Speaker 1: That was one thing I was gonna say, is there's

981
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: the Will Johnson's and McMillan's and all these pro days

982
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: that could change their stock dramatically. If Will Johnson runs

983
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: a four four four as opposed to a four to

984
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: five four, probably a big deal. What's Mason Graham's height

985
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: and weight and what's he looked like and some of

986
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: these guys, but none of them should change.

987
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Speaker 3: That draft, not drastically right the cornerback position in this

988
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: year's draft. I just did my rankings today for that.

989
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 3: There are so many guys in this year's cornerback class

990
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: that have something wrong or miss time. Oh yeah, especially

991
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: at the top of the board. It's like that's going

992
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 3: to be the one because those guys get paid to

993
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: a lot of money.

994
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: Like the day two corners, because he mitigates the risk.

995
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: They all have a rest.

996
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: There's something there. This guy had a knee, This guy

997
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 3: you know, missed, he had a shoulder.

998
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: That feels like the whole draft of me. I mean,

999
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: all the receivers, they're okay, but you know there's something

1000
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: wrong with them. Yeah. I was gonna say, like, where

1001
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: do you think like a Doomsday was the third receiver

1002
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: off the board.

1003
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Speaker 3: I bet that guy's like, you'd be number one in

1004
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 3: this year easily. And I think he's if you don't

1005
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 3: consider Travis Hunter and right, right.

1006
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: Right, he's own. He's his own deal to me. But

1007
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: like he's like the Futanu conversation, Like those guys are

1008
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: top five picks this year. You don't get them at

1009
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: ten fourteen, fifteen sixteen, it's even close. And I know

1010
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: what we do for a living is fun, and I

1011
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: love talking about the off season as much as I

1012
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: do game day. This offseason is pretty bad in terms of.

1013
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: And ages. He wasn't great.

1014
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the guys that were shopped for trade

1015
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: or Cooper Cup and Debo and have all these things

1016
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: wrong with them or old or you know. I mean,

1017
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: it's a bad year to improve, the worst I can

1018
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Speaker 1: remember by a thousand.

1019
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been rough. Yeah, but anyways, that's going to

1020
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: do it for the first hour of the Drive here

1021
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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be

1022
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Speaker 3: back with hour number two right after this