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Speaker 1: recognize them, we heard them, but it never stopped them

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Speaker 1: from doing their athletic competitions. Now we're seeing athletes saying, look,

431
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: I know this is the biggest stage in the world,

432
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: but uh, you know at this time, it's not the

433
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: right time for me to perform. That's something we haven't

434
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: seen before. So I think for us the important thing

435
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: is a like you say, not judge and be sensitive.

436
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 1: We are in a different time now. I know there

437
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: are people out there who are saying, what your mental health?

438
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: Come on, you're at the Olympics, Simone Biles. You gotta perform.

439
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: But you know what, we are in a different generation.

440
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: We are in a generation where I think and I

441
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 1: give young people credit, where young people are willing to say,

442
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: you know what, there might be another opportunity down the road.

443
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: There might not be, but what's more important for me

444
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Speaker 1: is that I perform when I feel mentally right to perform.

445
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: And that's something we haven't seen before. I gotta say

446
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Speaker 1: it's something that I have never seen. I mean, I

447
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: can tell you many times when I played sports and

448
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: I was younger, I was not in the right mind frame.

449
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: I felt like it was all the pressure was getting

450
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: to me and it was difficult, but I felt like

451
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Speaker 1: I had to do it. I think it's interesting that

452
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: the younger generation Simone Biles, now, SoC and others are

453
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: stepping up and saying, I don't have to do this

454
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: if I don't feel right about doing it right, and

455
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: I don't know Rushan, if there's anything wrong with that.

456
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: I think that's actually right. We assert that in our

457
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: own lives, we tell our own children. Don't be bullied

458
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: into doing something. Don't. Don't people tell you to do

459
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: something you don't want to do it, you say no.

460
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: We tell that to our children, and yet on the

461
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: biggest stage in the world, when they're feeling uncomfortable, we say,

462
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure some people out there are saying, you know what, no,

463
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Speaker 1: go perform. That's the antithesis of what we've been trying

464
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Speaker 1: to establish in our own lives. So I say, if

465
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Speaker 1: I'm able to do it in my own profession, in

466
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Speaker 1: my own life, I need to give that same leeway

467
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Speaker 1: to to athletes out there. And that's kind of how

468
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: I approach it and reporting. I don't judge, I don't

469
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Speaker 1: say anything about that. I acknowledge that it's different, but

470
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Speaker 1: at the same time, I leave room for the explanation.

471
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: Let's hear why, and also let's be sensitive to why,

472
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Speaker 1: understanding that everybody is different and everybody has their own

473
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Speaker 1: perspective when it comes to mental health. Well, you know

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Speaker 1: the thing about it would give you reference when you

475
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: when you were playing and you you was uncomfortable. But

476
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: then when you was uncomfortable, you didn't have to deal

477
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: with social media. You have to deal with the likes

478
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: the criticisms, and that's really the baggage. I always tell

479
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: people social media really is your own personal press conference.

480
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 1: You don't have to call a press conference, you just post.

481
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: And because of that, you know, you have the cell

482
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: phones where a video can be you you can stream,

483
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: and so the electryn to leash and so you can't

484
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: really get away. You know, back in the day, when

485
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: I was going up, you know I could just I could.

486
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I wasn't at home. Okay when

487
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: you called, that's not an excuse anymore, you know, then

488
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: they went, oh you I text you, I didn't get

489
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: your text. Guess that excuse anymore. And so now if

490
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: you some on Biles and you and you stumble or

491
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: you or you do a spin or you fall off

492
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: the balance being she goes to the home, it's criticism

493
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: and some of it's just nasty. And then it's the

494
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: the commercial endorsement of people that put you on the pedestal.

495
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: All of that and then the highlight reels, whether they're

496
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Speaker 1: whether the instances or not to go go home, and

497
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: you realize that you can't watch TV, you can't watch

498
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Speaker 1: the media because they we have all have their base stories.

499
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: So somewhere an athlete now is trapped in the media

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Speaker 1: that also, you know, emoted their success. Right. Yeah, But

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Speaker 1: I will say this, and to your point, by the way,

502
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Speaker 1: I was the last guy, of all people I knew,

503
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Speaker 1: to get a cell phone. I was the last guy

504
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: to want to get to be reached anywhere. My whole

505
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: thing was when social media, cell phones, all that stuff

506
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: blew up. That was the last thing I wanted to

507
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: participate because I love my animenity. I love being able

508
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: to do my thing and then disappear. So this whole

509
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,239
Speaker 1: new generation of everybody putting their stuff out there all

510
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: the time, I've just never really been in touch with

511
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: that in the same way. But to your point, here's

512
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Speaker 1: the issue that I think a lot of athletes face.

513
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: They want the adulation that comes with the success, but

514
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: ultimately you are not always going to be successful, and

515
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: you have to be willing to accept the other side

516
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: of it. Now, I'm not speaking to Naomi Osaka or

517
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Speaker 1: Simone Biles directly, but what I'm saying is I'm fairly certain,

518
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Speaker 1: at least in some place in in their minds, that

519
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: they knew that criticism was going to come from making

520
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: these moves. What I admire in them is that they're

521
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: doing them anyway, because that's hard. I mean, you talk

522
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 1: about Simone Biles or Naomi Osaka. You know, millions of followers,

523
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: people dissecting their every move, and yet still they're saying,

524
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: you know what, I know that heat is going to come,

525
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: but I'm still willing to stand up for what I

526
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Speaker 1: believe is my mental health. And I really encourage people

527
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: to take a long term view of this, and I

528
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: promise you I'm not trying to be PC, but let's

529
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: just think about this. Let's say that she performed in

530
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: the Olympics and her mental health was really deteriorating in

531
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Speaker 1: ways that we could never imagine. And let's say things

532
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: went really poorly for her, or in her mind, went

533
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Speaker 1: really poorly. The Olympics is over, we all move on,

534
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: we do our thing. She's still in that space. Months later,

535
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: she's still in that space. Years later, she's still in

536
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: that space. And I think that's what we miss when

537
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: we're so quick to hit Twitter and criticize. Naomi Osaka

538
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: talked about suffering from depression, not from a week ago

539
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: before Wimbledon, but for months for ages, thinking about what

540
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: it was like to face these questions. I think we

541
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: don't think about that because we're so short term in

542
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: our thinking. We're so like anxious to read the next

543
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: tweet or see the next win, that we don't think about.

544
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: Maybe someone Biles is making this decision because it's not

545
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: about today or tomorrow or the Olympics, but it's about

546
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: how this might affect her for years to come. And

547
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I have spoken to many

548
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: athletes over time. They talk about the different things that

549
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: affect them, and some of the deepest conversations I've had

550
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: with some of the top athletes out there, when they

551
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: talk about what affects them, it's not you know, hey,

552
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: it affected me for a month or two and then

553
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: I got back on the horse. Every athlete has that

554
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: sense of you gotta forget about the last play, You

555
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: gotta forget about that. But I've spoken to a ton

556
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: of athletes who don't who who are dogged by that

557
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: play that happened two years ago, that miscatching the Super Bowl,

558
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: that thing they didn't do in high school. I mean,

559
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't think people think enough about the long term

560
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: effects of what can happen, And so I give them

561
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: credit for in the face of all the criticism they

562
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: might face, still stepping up and saying, you know what,

563
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: you guys aren't gonna think about how this might affect

564
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: me today, tomorrow, next year, or the year after. But

565
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it, and I'm stepping up for myself. Well,

566
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: I agree with that because of the fact that that

567
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: shared off air my daughter. You know, she was a

568
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: tennis phenom and I could just tell you know, the

569
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: game and her effort was starting to different, you know,

570
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: our expectations and the efforts you wanted to do. Was that. Okay,

571
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: she had been hitting the bosses. She was six years

572
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: old and she was sixteen. You know, she was definitely

573
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Speaker 1: a probrate. And then she broke her foot and then

574
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: she came back and there was a shoulder, and then

575
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: it was like an injury at the injury, and then

576
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: she kept coming back and it was like every time

577
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: she came back, it was like you can see a deterioration,

578
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: mental and physical deterioration. And so a lot of people

579
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: don't put that in perspective to come back. But more importantly,

580
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: what we take away from this, and we're gonna move

581
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: on to other stories because your your careers are it's

582
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: something I want to talk about how you can be

583
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: able to transition from the George Zimmerman's to the some

584
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: own bio stories and so seamlessly, and so especially legal analysts.

585
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: Side of it is that now when you look at

586
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: young athletes, the part that really affects me of the

587
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: emotion now is the young athletes who are not getting

588
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: paid in the n c a A because of the

589
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: fact that now you know, the expectations are differently now

590
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, like they said, the young quarterback for the

591
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: Alabama he has almost a million dollars endorsement. No, I'm

592
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: pretty sure that's not just one million. You mighty have

593
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: like ten different people who have given him money. So

594
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: that's like ten different people able to pull him or

595
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: make demands on him and to have expectations if he

596
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: doesn't throw a touchdown, if he throws an interception, And

597
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: so that whole part of the of the wire because

598
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: when you look at these high profile people, they do

599
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: have you know, people's psyche, you know, UH coaches who

600
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: are motivating there and they're brought on board to make

601
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: sure they psychists together they understand why they fail and

602
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: why they achieve. Talk about that perspective. Ryan would you

603
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: see these young eighteen sixteen year players getting ten thousand

604
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: dollars a hundred thousand dollars and being turned around. But

605
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: the expectations come with a penalty. Sometimes, Oh, it's gonna

606
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: be a challenge to say, and we got to see

607
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: how it goes because name, image and likeness has just

608
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: started giving the athletes the ability to get this. But Rashan,

609
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: I start from this place. The n c A is

610
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: a billion dollar industry. Multibillion dollar industry. For years, everybody

611
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: has been taken home the money except the people on

612
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: the field, mostly black and brown boats. Yes, So to me,

613
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: the fact that athletes are now able to get money

614
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: to make these deals is a win, a huge win,

615
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: because we have to have that kind of system. We

616
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: cannot simply say, oh, amateurism dictates that this guy can

617
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: go run into a wall. He has to prove himself

618
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: every single year because a lot of people don't know

619
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: when you get a four year full ride, it's not

620
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: a full year for year full ride. Every single year

621
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: they got to re up that ride. So if you

622
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: didn't perform that first year, even though you're the best

623
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: athlete in your state, they could be like, we're taking

624
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: your scholarship away. Oh you don't have them enough money

625
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: to go to the school. That's too bad. See you later.

626
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what happens to you. That has been

627
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: the life for tens of thousands, if not hundreds of

628
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: thousands of athletes. So the fact that they're able to

629
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: collect and capitalize on their talent now, I think young people,

630
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: and I think it's a great thing. Now you talk

631
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: about the idea of the pressure they face because of that,

632
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I think it behooves them,

633
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: and I think you're probably gonna see industries popping up

634
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: of folks who are going to manage those athletes and

635
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: manage those folks to make sure that the pressure isn't

636
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: too great. Sports were even part of our conversation. You know,

637
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: I was still business managers Steve Harvey The Highlights and

638
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: still very successful Steve Harvy Morning Show, and we both

639
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,479
Speaker 1: based in Atlanta. He was in Atlanta, and I was always, uh,

640
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: get him on the show to talk about cases, cases

641
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: like the Casey Anthony story from a legal perspective, from

642
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Speaker 1: his perspective to George Zimmilam story that we know they

643
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: went down with Trayvon Martin and that whole trial at

644
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: this roy that that control of the country and launched

645
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: Benjamin Crump into his RAPHI our our civil rights are

646
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 1: that he is in today. But I never saw this coming.

647
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: I never saw the ESPN anchor. I never saw the

648
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: sports side of you coming out. Talk about where you

649
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: were where it then, and then we're gonna talk about transition,

650
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: because then I would see you pop up on ESPN

651
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: doing legal analysts work. So let's talk about that journey

652
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: in Atlantic when you and I first met, the perspective

653
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: and the mindset you had to have versus the mindset

654
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: that you have now as a sports anchor and an

655
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: expert on sports. Because you are an expert on sports?

656
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: Could you anchor sports? Yeah, I gotta tell you so.

657
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: So first to your question, I want to say when

658
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: I when you and I met in Atlanta, I had

659
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: basically just gotten into TV. I was a lawyer, and

660
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: around two thousand and ten, two thousand eleven, I just

661
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: decided I kind of hit a wall with as far

662
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: as I wanted to go practicing law, and I ended

663
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: up getting in television because I did guest spots here

664
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Speaker 1: and there. Just uh, first I made a real I

665
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: had a producer friend who was like, you gotta make

666
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: a real if you want to get into television. I

667
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: was just kind of thinking, maybe I'll do something, So

668
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: I went out. I made a reel on the streets

669
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Speaker 1: of New York, just interviewing random people. I interviewed a

670
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: film director, a couple other folks. Somebody saw me on BT.

671
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: Somebody saw my real and they put me on a

672
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: show called My Two Cents. I hosted that for a while.

673
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: Then they was basically a show about the black community,

674
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: curated by three other me and three other people. And

675
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: then uh I ended up doing a Sharp Talk which

676
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: was Al Sharpton's talk show on TV one. Somebody on

677
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: CNN saw me. Went from there when other networks and

678
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: then finally cour TV brought me on to be an

679
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: anchor for their new brand that they were launching at HLN.

680
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: But Rashaana, I gotta actually say thank you to you,

681
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: because early on when I started doing HLN, I was

682
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: still learning how to build beyond my job. And you

683
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: noticed me on HLN and Core TV talking about these cases,

684
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: and you brought me onto the Steve Harvey Show, and

685
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you that did wonders not only for

686
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: my ability to communicate with people, but forgetting to know

687
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: a new audience and forgetting people to trust me in

688
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: these areas of cases. Because Steve Harvey's audience was so big,

689
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: and it was so diverse, and and the talent on

690
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: the Steve Harvey Show was so willing to engage with

691
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: me on the show. It taught me that I didn't

692
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: have to just be restricted by what I was doing

693
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: in television. I could do other things. I could jump

694
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: on Steve Harvey Show, I could jump on all these

695
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: other shows, and it gave me the level of confidence

696
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: that I didn't have before that moment. So I just

697
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: I just wanted to step out and say thank you

698
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: for that, because you kept putting me on um in

699
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: a way that like shocked me so much and made

700
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: me so happy, but at the same time got me

701
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: out of his mindset of just television. I would tell

702
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: you anybody because when I look at somebody like Ryan,

703
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: he's talent and plus he's a grinder. I said, it's

704
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people want to do what you do.

705
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't answer the call. Oh I'm tired,

706
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: uh tomorrow because I call him at the last minute.

707
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes I see, I said, Monica, call call right, I

708
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: see if you can do the show tomorrow. And then

709
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: I was asking him to come into an environment where

710
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: I had comedians. Uh, and he didn't. And honestly, he

711
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: had to trust me too because of the fact that

712
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: he was he was a lawyer. He was on he

713
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: was talking serious stories and sometimes Steve Harvey or few

714
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: Tommy what Ben. Of course, you to him that he

715
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: had to stay focused on he had to see the

716
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: story true. And so that's why I respect to the

717
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: most about it. You understood the balance of what I

718
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,479
Speaker 1: was trying to do. You understood entertainment, but you're also

719
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: in understood the storytelling of telling the story correctly. That

720
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: was a gift that you have, my friend, and it

721
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: shows up. It shows up on TV every time I

722
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: watch you. It's a it's a nice humbleness in your reporting.

723
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: And uh, we were on radio back then. Now you're

724
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: on TV. So nobody saw us back then. You just

725
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: just heard your voice, just heard your articulation, and now

726
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: just seeing your TV it's still it's still watching the

727
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: sports side of you. You know, you come from a

728
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: Philadelphia market which is like crazy about sports. It's so opinionated,

729
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: so in your face, it's like, how do you how

730
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: do you you know your Philadelphia just had a just

731
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: a disastrous basketball season. Yeah, the baseball team still frustrate you.

732
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: They got rid of the quarter back that they thought

733
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: it was gonna be the quarterback of the future. We

734
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: don't know if Jalen Hurts is a quarterback. Talk to

735
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: us about I'm so proud to be for Philadelphia. How

736
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: proud are you in football, basketball, and baseball? I'm always proud.

737
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: Let me tell let me tell everybody the key to

738
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Speaker 1: be at a Philadelphia sports fan, and why everything you

739
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: said doesn't even make me angry. We expect, we expect

740
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: to be bad, we expect Wow, if good things happen,

741
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: were elated because we always thought we were gonna lose.

742
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: It's like, I gotta tell you this funny story. Like

743
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: a friend of mine called me after we won the

744
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: Super Bowl a couple of years back, and he was like, man,

745
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: you finally did it. We've been ripping on Philly all

746
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: this time. You finally wanted the Super Bowl? What do

747
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: you think? I'm like, Man, I don't know. Can we

748
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: do this again next year? It's like that's the Philly

749
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: fans mentality. It's like, we can't accept anything for being

750
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: real in terms of success because we've had so much failure, right,

751
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: And I hate that on that way. And it's like

752
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: I got I have two young kids now and their

753
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: Eagles fans, and I try to tell them, like, you

754
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: gotta be positive about your team. They're like, well then, Daddy,

755
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: why do you always think they're gonna lose. I'm like,

756
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: don't listen to me, spokeus on I gotta I got

757
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: a sports expert in the Philadelphia fan You see Ben Simmons.

758
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: You see Janice who had who went to that line

759
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: despite the booze, He went to that line. He and

760
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: he took two shots. Kim Ben Simmons make that transition. Yeah,

761
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: let me tell you so so that this is what

762
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: we all kind of feel about Ben Simmons. We think

763
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: that the first couple of years in Philly, because he

764
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: was such a great talent and because he could do

765
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: so many things well, the coaching staff there and the

766
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: management there didn't push him to go beyond what he

767
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: was good at. And so the demands. What you got

768
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: to say to a player is look, you gotta shoot

769
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: in this game. You're not gonna shoot, You're gonna sit

770
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: on the bench. You're the superstar, great, you made the

771
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: All Star team. Great, but you're not shooting. You're on

772
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: the bench. Oh, he didn't take a shot in this game,

773
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: Let's put him in a second quarter, Like, you gotta

774
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: teach him that way. He gets mad, he sulked whatever,

775
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: dudes under contract, where is he gonna go? So it's like,

776
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: you gotta treat him like that. And that didn't happen

777
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: in Philly. So years and years and years go by

778
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: and that didn't happen coming into this season. So he

779
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: learned this mentality of being good at what he was

780
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: good at, but not wanting to try and not wanting

781
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: to work at what he wasn't good at, despite the

782
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: fact that he knew that would hamper him in the playoffs.

783
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: So once we got into the playoffs and he was

784
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: turned up and people started hacking him, and I gat

785
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: give the Wizards credit because they came up with the

786
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: system of let's hack, then let's send him to the line.

787
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: Once he couldn't make the shot, his mental broke down

788
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: and he said, uh, I can't do this, so I'm

789
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: gonna avoid it at all costs. Now, I'm not driving

790
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: to the basket because I don't want to get foul.

791
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: This is a really important lesson for all your listeners

792
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: and anybody who's to you today. And we're talking about

793
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: getting into the TV business and all of this, because

794
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: I've learned this lesson firsthand when I started in this business,

795
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: and Rashaun, I'm sure you have the same experience. There

796
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: was a lot that I wasn't good at a lot.

797
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: But the thing is, you gotta go on air and

798
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: make the mistakes. I used to have a YouTube channel

799
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: where people could look me up and see all the

800
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: mistakes I made, including not knowing where the camera was,

801
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: not knowing what show I was on. I mean, it's

802
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: like you got to go on and make these mistakes

803
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: in order to get better. If you're not willing to

804
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: make the mistakes in terms in front of everyone, if

805
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: you're not willing to ask the stupid questions, if you're

806
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: not willing to extend in ways that you haven't extended before,

807
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: you don't get better and you remain the same exact talent.

808
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, Rasund, I've known people in

809
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: this industry it's like they're playing the same old song

810
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: every single day. And I'm not knocking them. I'm just saying,

811
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: how can you expect to get further and be better

812
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: unless you're extending beyond your comfort zone. So that's the

813
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: big problem with Ben Simmons, and we can related to

814
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: what we're talking about right now. It's like anybody watching

815
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: who wants to get into anything or wants to be

816
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: like you be a top of their industry. You didn't

817
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: get there without making mistakes, public mistakes, mistakes other people

818
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: can see, and you grew from them and you got

819
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: better from them. And that's what I hope Ben Simmons.

820
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: I don't think we should trade him. I think we

821
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: should keep them. I think we should give him another chance.

822
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: I think he's so good at the things he's good at.

823
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: But the thing is, this is crunch time summer, and

824
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: he's got to realize it is the life lesson time.

825
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: Am I willing to make the mistakes and be better

826
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: and look foolish in front of a lot of people

827
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: at the things I'm bad at in order to be great?

828
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: If he's I'll give him another year with that. If

829
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: he's willing to try that awesome, he's gonna be an

830
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,479
Speaker 1: amazing talent, maybe one of the best ever. If he's not,

831
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: he's always gonna be who he is. Uh. My last question,

832
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: is this just just a part about it that I

833
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: love about you? That about you? Is this? Okay? Being

834
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: a sports analyst, you know, anchor, you know, you the

835
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: monitor feed you the information, okay, and then you come

836
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: on there, Then you come on there, and then you

837
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: are analyst from a legal perspective, Which is which which? Which? Which? Which?

838
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: Is also I think even more difficult because you're sharing

839
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: facts and you're siring defended to moments like if you say,

840
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: somebody missed the free throw, we see it? Will you?

841
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: Will you come down as a legal analyst, and they're

842
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: asking you your perspective, the journey, the consequences. How are

843
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: you able to shift those two gears comfortably like that?

844
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: Ryan Smith? Oh man, it's hard. I tell you, it's hard.

845
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: And let me tell you. It's you and I met

846
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: when I was covering Casey Anthony and Jody Arius and

847
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: those kinds of trials. And I gotta tell you, it's

848
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: really funny to say that the the anger and the

849
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: venom you get for talking about a legal issue in

850
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: sports was ten times greater than anything I ever experienced

851
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: talking about Casey, Anthony, Jody Arius, George Zimmerman or any

852
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: of those cases. It's just the intensity. Like I remember

853
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: I covered the Zekiel Elliott uh story when he was

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Speaker 1: To me, it's almost different sides of your brain. So

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Speaker 1: And so for me, it's almost about separating different sides

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899
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Speaker 1: Keep winning. Welcome back to Money Making Conversations with your

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Speaker 1: host Rashan McDonald. My next guest is Kenneth for Read.

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Speaker 1: He's a professional basketball player, something I could never do.

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Speaker 1: I was dreamed of being in the league, but all

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Speaker 1: I can do is watch being in the league. He

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Speaker 1: put the Devon Nuggets books the next Houston Rockets from

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Speaker 1: a span of eight years from eleven to winning the eighteen.

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Speaker 1: He also will spend time in China. We'll talking about

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Speaker 1: that in part of his interview. Your entrepreneurship is his

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Speaker 1: is his? His His foundation I'd like to talk about. He's

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Speaker 1: the founder of the Kenneth for Reed hat Foundation, which

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Speaker 1: stands for Humble, Appreciative and Thankful. Kenneth is a video gamer.

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Speaker 1: He stated, I got into gaming because of my dad,

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Speaker 1: and weirdly enough, because of my mom. My mom and

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Speaker 1: dad are both Xbox gamers. He's pretty good at it

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Speaker 1: because at Fortnite and the Charitable Foundation, he was able

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Speaker 1: to win two hundred and fifty thou dollars in prize money,

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Speaker 1: which had to be used for a charitable purpose. He

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Speaker 1: his foundation, the Humble, Appreciative and Thankful Foundation, which stands

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Speaker 1: for hat Kennada is definitely more than the athlete, Like

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Speaker 1: I teached him about it earlier, because I saw him

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Speaker 1: in the Body issue with ESPN, I guess he showed

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of his athleticism. Okay, conversation, my man,

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Freed. How Kenneth, thank you, thank you. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: at I'm excided here. Uh, this is a great opportunity

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Speaker 1: for me, I just as a person and as a man,

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Speaker 1: and to be up here with I mean no other

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Speaker 1: than what Sean. I mean this This is love right here. Well,

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Speaker 1: it is love because you know, I always like to

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Speaker 1: bring individuals on like you because you can get stereotyped

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Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, and when I say stereotyping,

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Speaker 1: Stereo Talpico for being a black man. You can stereotype

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Speaker 1: a tall black man. You can stereotype being an athlete,

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Speaker 1: which can come into play about your intelligence. Come to

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Speaker 1: that's all you can do. How do you deal with

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Speaker 1: I mentioned several I depended being a black man. I've

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Speaker 1: been being a tall person. I've been there an athlete.

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Speaker 1: Which one do you want to come in first? Being stereotyped,

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Speaker 1: because there's three of them. I know you can stereotype though,

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Speaker 1: well it's only because of course, you know my persona

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Speaker 1: of my hair goes with it. Um, people as soon

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Speaker 1: is hey, you're tall, you're you're also black. To be honest,

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Speaker 1: you're tall, you're black. You got this athletic build about

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Speaker 1: you and your handsome so I'm assuming you you play

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Speaker 1: basketball and football. But yeah, that's pretty much, um, the

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Speaker 1: stereotype of my whole life. Man. For me, I've been

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Speaker 1: dealing with that and I just take it with a

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Speaker 1: grain of salt. Sometimes I like to play a little

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Speaker 1: games for people like, oh no, I'm not him, I'm

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Speaker 1: played on soccer, you know, I'm a goalie for Manchester United.

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Speaker 1: But I just like the best with people, So taller,

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Speaker 1: but at the same token as a blessing and the curse.

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Speaker 1: You know, you God put you on this earth and

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Speaker 1: gave you these blessings, and you either you either use

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Speaker 1: them to your advantage or you take it as all

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Speaker 1: why me, white me. And I've never been a person

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Speaker 1: who sayd why me, always said try me right. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's really interesting because of the fact that you know

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Speaker 1: your athleticism, you'll be all force you in a direction.

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Speaker 1: And there's some words I would I apologize, I won't

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Speaker 1: use the work force, but it tends to put you

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Speaker 1: in the direction of expectations, you know, like you know

1023
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Speaker 1: when you when you're a smart person. Intelligence isn't isn't

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Speaker 1: isn't written on your face, isn't written in your abs,

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Speaker 1: just isn't written in your height. It's just you have

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Speaker 1: to show people that you're intelligent. Do you feel that,

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Speaker 1: because of your bill, that you you have to show

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Speaker 1: people that you're more than an athlete, that you can

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Speaker 1: do more, that you're capable of achieving things beyond the

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Speaker 1: basketball court. Yeah, a hundred percent. Um. But one thing

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Speaker 1: my parents was blessed to. I was blessed to I

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Speaker 1: guess reciprocate when they was telling me back in the day,

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Speaker 1: because they told me a lot. So it was one

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Speaker 1: thing they always said, to use what you got to

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Speaker 1: your advantage. And I always wonder what they mean by

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Speaker 1: that when I was younger. But as I got older

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Speaker 1: and going to the man I am today, I just

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Speaker 1: understood it more and more. And I'm thirty one today,

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Speaker 1: my partent use Like I said, I was younger, they

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Speaker 1: told me a lot. But now that I'm thirty one

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Speaker 1: chance here just because I'm tall and because I'm black

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Speaker 1: and people see my athleticism and all that stuff. To

1044
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Speaker 1: use that to my advantage. So I went to more

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Speaker 1: Head State. Yeah, everybody expecting be not even make it

1046
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Speaker 1: to the NBA. But I use it to my advantage.

1047
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Speaker 1: I said, Hey, I'm here, I might as well keep

1048
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Speaker 1: Not just like I didn't really care about the outside

1050
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Speaker 1: world in the sense of the public thought about me.

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Speaker 1: I only cared about my family and what they thought.

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Speaker 1: And it was, Hey, I want to show my family

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Speaker 1: my junior in college named Kira on free I want

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Speaker 1: to show her, Hey, just because daddy is in the

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1057
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Speaker 1: From not just a financial aspect, but a mental aspect,

1059
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Speaker 1: because you have to be intelligent with the money. You

1060
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1062
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Speaker 1: get this person to car, and all this stuff. You know,

1063
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: you gotta understand that, hey, that wealth last you for

1064
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: that amount of time. Right then and there, you're making

1065
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: that much money because you're because of your talents and athleticism.

1066
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: But what are you going to do after? Right? Right?

1067
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: But your most interesting, Kenneth, because you know, I've been

1068
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: fortunate in my life, you know, because when you're in entertainment,

1069
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of like athletics, as an income can come

1070
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: in and large amounts, and sometimes you don't know what

1071
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: to do with that large amount. And sometimes it comes like, oh,

1072
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: I just get this, you know, I just leased this,

1073
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, and but you don't think anything of it

1074
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: because guess what, you're able to buy it. You're able

1075
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: to purchase, you able to live that lifestyle. But then,

1076
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, your conversation is about longevity because

1077
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: you're not gonna play forever and that big check needs

1078
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: to need to go down the line at least twenty

1079
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: thirty years. That's the process, you know. But you're a

1080
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: young guy. You're thirty one now. Now this is where athlete,

1081
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: the sism and then longevity comes into play, because I

1082
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: know when I was a team, thirty was a long

1083
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: wailway forty I could even imagine forty fifty. Come on, dude,

1084
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: really you're talking about So we did the process of

1085
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: being thirty one and become a reality to you. Um,

1086
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: it just became a reality this I mean it's COVID

1087
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: pandemic hit, you know. Um for me, I was in

1088
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: my twenties and the NBA enjoying life, having fun. By

1089
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: the same token, just making a little smart investments here

1090
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: and there, like my Manumal Elite that's where I'm wearing

1091
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: right now, this shirt. My AU team made an investment

1092
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: in that and that's through the like you said earlier,

1093
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: Kenning Free Hat Foundation. So it was it was a

1094
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: blessing to be able to have that on my I

1095
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: guess a patch on my shoulder like, Hey, this is

1096
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: something I've done, this is something I build in Now,

1097
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: I guess I believe it's nine years the Yeah, nine

1098
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: years later, but to be ten years next summer. Nine

1099
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: years later, I still have it up and running every

1100
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: The kids are untremendous job of promoting the brand, being

1101
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: part of the brand, and really understanding what the brand means.

1102
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: And that's just being a hat being humble, appreciated, thankful,

1103
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: And that's my biggest I guess, my biggest chip on

1104
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: my shoulder. I always been humble, appreciated, thankful for anything. Really, really, kid,

1105
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: you've been You've been humble? Now, could I could? I

1106
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: gotta stop you that? If anybody just to start just

1107
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: just google the body issue. Okay, definitely got to stop

1108
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: him on his humble talk. See, I know for a fact,

1109
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: I know for a fact. See I wouldn't even gonna

1110
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: go that. But he keeps throwing out the word humble.

1111
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm humble. I'm humble. I'm humble. Uh So,

1112
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: how does that because I'm just having fun with you?

1113
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 1: Can because I love you to death, man, we're talking

1114
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: about that. But I gotta be able to slide this

1115
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: into the conversation because you did it. You didn't. I didn't.

1116
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: I didn't want you to do it. Nobody told you, Hey, man,

1117
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be naked. And then how some people put

1118
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: some hot a little basketball on certain parts of your

1119
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 1: body and you jump up and down and we will

1120
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: put in the magazine. How how did that sounded? Was

1121
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: that a hard pitch cannon or was that a picture?

1122
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: You just? Oh, I got this covered. You saw earlier dishes.

1123
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: You go, man, why they ain't picked me yet? How

1124
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: I talk about that whole journey that, Kenny, Because see,

1125
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: I know you did something again. You're an NBA something

1126
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: I can never do. You in the Body Issue again,

1127
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: something I can never do. But talk about your humbleness

1128
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: in doing the body issue of ESPN. Okay, well it

1129
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: was I guess it's not. I guess I can't. I'm

1130
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: so confused, right, it's hard. It's hard to say, you know. Uh.

1131
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: I went out there. It was funny because my my

1132
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: rookie year in the league. Basically I saw the Body

1133
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: Issue and no or ESPN. I saw the SPS Awards

1134
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: and I saw all that beautiful stuff and I said, hey,

1135
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: that's the Body Issue, and whoa these people are really naked.

1136
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 1: I love to be naked. I love to be free.

1137
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: I want to do that. It looks like all right,

1138
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: So I didn't think of it as Okay, you have

1139
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: to be naked and you about to be basically showing

1140
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: all your stuff off. I thought, maybe you be like naked,

1141
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: but you you're covered in certain areas right right right,

1142
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: But no, you just free. And I was like, wow, okay,

1143
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: I'm ready here to do this. I'm not gonna be afraid.

1144
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: And it was the second year. Um, they basically said,

1145
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: hey you, we'll we'll love to have you. Um, there's

1146
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: a lot of other players that's gonna be in there.

1147
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: But all you gotta do, all you have to do

1148
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: is just play. Play in the playoffs, like you have

1149
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: your team make the playoffs. And that was my second

1150
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: NBA and I'm like, oh, well, we're going to do that.

1151
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that whatever I gotta do,

1152
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: and it's just so happened. We made the playoffs, was

1153
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: the third seed and we lost the Words that year.

1154
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: But I guess I made an impact and the image

1155
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: for myself for the rest of my life. Well you

1156
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: did Kenney for Reid, you know. Uh, but it isn't

1157
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: a good way because it's part of your brand, you know,

1158
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: because you know, Lord knows, you know, you're using your

1159
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: second year. So I know the players on the court

1160
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: gave you a hard time, fund a hard time about

1161
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: that when they were guarding you and all that stuff

1162
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: and warm ups and all that stuff. So I know

1163
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: they've taken care of you. But what I love about you, man,

1164
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: is that there is a position that people do in

1165
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: life where they stopped themselves. They say they don't want

1166
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: to do something, They worry about what people think and

1167
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: and but it's all part of a brand build, you know,

1168
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: that's part of your personality. Like you said, you know,

1169
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: you're tall, you're black, your hairstyle, you're a good looking guy.

1170
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: So that's part of being a I I think it's

1171
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: just like being a model. You know, you are you.

1172
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: You can't be a model, you know, and that there's

1173
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind. But that's that's physical, you know.

1174
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: You know the thing about being physical, there's always a

1175
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: time living on being physical. And so that's what we

1176
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: said right now, you know, because of COVID and you

1177
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: went over to China and and to extend your basketball

1178
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: career because I guess what they write nice checks over

1179
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: in China. By the way, y'all okay, and uh and

1180
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: so and so. Now you're back at home right now.

1181
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: What is it from a physical standpoint? Do you stand

1182
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: with your career? I know you still stand in shape.

1183
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: Is it stand in shape to continue a basketball career

1184
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: or you're ready to move on? Um? I'm standing in

1185
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: shape because I want to get back into the NBA. UM.

1186
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,959
Speaker 1: I'm pushing myself and doing things that pretty much got

1187
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: me there and just standing focused like them, not letting

1188
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: the outside distractions. Oh, I have fun in my twenties

1189
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: pretty much, and it was it was nice, you know,

1190
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: enjoyed that. Me going over to China was also a blessing. Um.

1191
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: Most people, we wouldn't see that as that because of

1192
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: the fact that it did kind of stop me from

1193
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: going to the NBA with the bubble and everything. It

1194
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: kind of holding me from that decision, even though I

1195
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: got out of it early. But COVID protocols and the

1196
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,479
Speaker 1: way he was setting up things that just wasn't letting

1197
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: fever players in. So I just respected that and had

1198
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: to respect it, and I just put my acts pretty

1199
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: much to the ground and showed everybody why they called

1200
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: me manimal and why everybody say, hey, this kid never

1201
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: stopped working. He's a worker, he's he's this, he's that.

1202
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: You give it as all every time you step on

1203
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: the court. And that's truly who I am. And I

1204
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: just wanted to show everybody that and remind everybody that,

1205
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: and slowly but surely people want to see it. People

1206
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: going to see it. Well, I have no doubt about it.

1207
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: But you've always been had a life where you know,

1208
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: you weren't the five star athlete coming out of high school.

1209
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,919
Speaker 1: You know, you more hair stayed, You finished your career

1210
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: as at all time rebound on it broke, I think

1211
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan's record all times rebounds and so but along

1212
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: with that, it's like you don't let what people think.

1213
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: And I guess that's that's the core my interview with

1214
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: you cannot because you know, not letting people put you

1215
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: in the box, letting letting people limit you based on

1216
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: your capabilities. What drives you? Is that what was instilled

1217
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: in you by your parents that drives you, or just

1218
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: a natural level of competition that drives you. It's it's honestly,

1219
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: both um, my father would my father would say when

1220
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: I was younger, I would do things like here, do

1221
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: things in the house with me. Man, he saw me

1222
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: doing in the house with me, and I just do it. Listen,

1223
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: listen to them and pay attention. And I probably get frustrated,

1224
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: like I don't flet doing this with you every day.

1225
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: But it was it was my dad, and as to

1226
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: say token, it would translate to hey, my cousins will

1227
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: come over and I would instantly tell them, Hey, we

1228
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: waking up in the morning, we're gonna work out. Hey,

1229
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: when you get up in the morning, I don't want

1230
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: to hear you complaining about like while we're getting up

1231
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: this early, like we're working. And then it turned to

1232
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: my father just no new every time around my cousin, YO,

1233
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: come on, push. I was pushing my cousins just as

1234
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: much as my father would say, Hey, you got it,

1235
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: you got this, son, just give it your best. But

1236
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: it was it was never my father was never as

1237
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: a forcing me to do it. He was always telling me, hey, son,

1238
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm telling you didn't do this to work out, keep

1239
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: your body and shape because just you need it for life.

1240
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: It's not because hey, you want to be this superstar

1241
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: basketball player. Is that a third. No, you need to

1242
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: just have your body and shape and ready for whatever.

1243
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: For life and your mind. It's gonna help your body.

1244
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: Your body and mind will help each other. If you

1245
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: work your body and you work your mind, they're gonna

1246
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: come hand in hand. So you can think, you can

1247
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: think on a go. It's gonna help you for basketball later.

1248
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: You want to be an NBA player, That's what you

1249
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: keep telling me. So you gotta sharp not just your body,

1250
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: you have to sharpen your mind. So I would wake

1251
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: up with my cousins when they was there, tell them

1252
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: come on his work out. I'm all hype. My father

1253
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: didn't really have to bring the energy. Then afterwards I'm like, hey,

1254
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: I gotta do crossword puzzles. But it wasn't crossword puzzles

1255
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: like your typical Hey, you know, kids get to find

1256
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: the word. It is not the third. No. I had

1257
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: to look at the cross word, look at the words

1258
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: on the side and read them, read the words and

1259
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: know how to spell the words, then know the meaning

1260
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: and definition of the word. Didn't put the same words

1261
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: in a sentence right. That drove me to go, you

1262
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: know what, when I got to college, I want to

1263
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: do speech communications. Absolutely. You know the interesting thing about

1264
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: we hit that a lot like you were at the

1265
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: beginning to the end of y'all saying I wanted to

1266
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: be an NBA and then of course what and you you.

1267
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: I want to say this real clean because a compliment

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01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: to an individual who are encounter like you, who are

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01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: living a dream that we watch on television, we admire

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01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: the accomplishment. There's a limited roster space. There are guys

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01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: in the G League who are trying to get in there.

1272
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:13,959
Speaker 1: There are guys who are not in the league trying

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01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: to get in there. What made you or what enabled

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01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: you to reach your dream of being and able to

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01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: play in the NBA Kenning for red Um the motivation

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01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: of like I said, my parents. Honestly, my dad, I'm

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01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: pushing himself going to the way we lived in He

1278
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 1: lived in Geersey City, but every day from Monday to Friday,

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01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: he worked for the Union in New York. He will

1280
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: catch the train, wake up dumb early in the morning

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01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: just to catch the train to go all the way

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01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: to New York to be at work at eight o'clock

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01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: in the morning. And we'll work from eight o'clock all

1284
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: the way to I don't know, like five sometimes right six,

1285
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 1: But we're working during pain and jobs for the buildings

1286
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: that they were constructing, to help hang sheet rock and

1287
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: do all that stuff and hang it was but he

1288
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: did go construction work. His main thing was painting, but

1289
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: he learned the construction part of it in order to

1290
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: make sure he did was able to build other things

1291
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: later in life and hand do other things at his

1292
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: own house that he owned at the time. So it

1293
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: was just amazing to watch him do that. Then my mom, uh,

1294
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: like she just been a battle in my whole life.

1295
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: She she got lupus when I was really young, and

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01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,839
Speaker 1: ever since then it's been like a fight for her

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01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: to survive and just see me grow into the man

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01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: I am today. And I always said, Hey, every rebound

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01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: that I get in my life, I'm hoping and praying

1300
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: that it just goes towards my mom another day towards

1301
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: her life. That's it. Just another day and not even

1302
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: a week or a month. And I just went it

1303
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: made me go after every rebound that same way, because

1304
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: every time I'm out there on the court, her mom

1305
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: always just yell at me, nor that's your house, nor

1306
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: nor just my nickname, my member name is Bernard, so

1307
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: she my father was Bernard, right right right, You better

1308
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: go out there and get that rebound. Stop playing. No,

1309
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: that's your house. Don't let nobody get no rebounds, get

1310
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: shoot no shots at your house. You better go in

1311
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: there and block that shot, rebound the ball, and run

1312
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: the floor. So, I mean, my career is there. It's

1313
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: this time to you know, try to just try to.

1314
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: You know, we always talk about motivation. We always talking

1315
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: about somebody is stealing a constant, constant montraump into your mindset.

1316
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: And if you keep hearing I always tell people, especially

1317
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: with children, if children here negative, then they will live

1318
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: a life of negativity. If you're a children in your situation,

1319
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: they kept telling you what you could do and what

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01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: you could not do. And that's what I hear. Let's

1321
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: keep the screaming out of this conversation and screaming out

1322
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: in a good way, you know. And when I talk

1323
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: about you being more than an athlete, we gotta go

1324
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: over to the gaming and and I'm gonna just tell

1325
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: you this nord you know, is that you know black people,

1326
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna give your nickname, my nickname, Ricky. Okay, So

1327
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I gotta call you nod

1328
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: okay okay. And so when when I look at look

1329
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: at in Naty, I was I was goos that could

1330
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: have producing of the Jamie Fox Show. And I was

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01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 1: in the writer's room and they had a game on.

1332
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: They had a video game on gaming on and they

1333
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: they they and I sat down and I went, let

1334
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: me play. And then they handed me something. I wanted

1335
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: to say something because it was far into me because

1336
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: they got next to me. Was able to flip, he

1337
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: was able to kick, he was a spending he was

1338
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 1: able to blow torches. Right then I realized I can't

1339
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: do this. So the ability to be able to manipulate

1340
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: these games and play basketball, play football, to play Fortnite,

1341
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: talk about that journey of developing these talents, these skills

1342
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: as a game gaming pro, talk about it. Honestly, it's

1343
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: just my way of escape me from my environment. I

1344
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: grew up. I grew up in the hood. Like I mean,

1345
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: like the typical hood story. Hey, this kid came from

1346
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: nothing and he he didn't have no finance, you backing,

1347
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: or real wealth and he still made it out. I mean,

1348
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: that's that's typically what you're here nowadays. And typically us.

1349
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 1: Black people are the odds that were hal to face

1350
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: every day. So for me, it was either hey, the

1351
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 1: streets is calling you. You live right across the street,

1352
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: well right across street from a park where a lot

1353
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 1: of murders happened, a lot of dead vouties happen. Then

1354
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: hey you right there, you live right down I mean

1355
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: right upstairs from where they sell drugs out at the

1356
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: corner store. Right there, you live right upstairs from that.

1357
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: So and then all these game members, Hey, you got

1358
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: crips and bloods all in your building, and they all

1359
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: wanted you to join in. Hey represent us, represent us.

1360
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: Hey you you're part of us. We're gonna protect you

1361
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: and make sure we got your back. And but my

1362
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 1: foundation is what kept me from going there. My mom, no,

1363
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: you can't go outside. My dad, Now, that's not that,

1364
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: that's not the environment for you. You don't need to

1365
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,879
Speaker 1: be there. So what has the kid to do? Okay,

1366
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: it's snowing, it's raining. You can't go outside and go

1367
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 1: to the park like I usually do. I usually go

1368
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: to Weekway Park, go up the street where the courts hat,

1369
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: and I'm playing there. Then I come back home. I'm

1370
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: dead tired, THENK shirt was white, now was black. But

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01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta get it in. You gotta hustle.

1372
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: So it's raining and snowing outside. What else is there

1373
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: to do? You can't like, you don't have the ex

1374
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 1: accessibility of a gym because you can't afford that. You

1375
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: can't afford to go to a gym, you can't afford

1376
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: to have a gym membership. So you play video games.

1377
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: You sit back and imagine, Hey, this is a world

1378
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: that's outside of the my outside world can be like.

1379
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: Or this is a world where my life can be like.

1380
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: So I got into playing. Back then, it wasn't Mad,

1381
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: and it was Game Day for me. Back then, it

1382
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: wasn't two K. It was INBA Live. So I was

1383
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: playing NBA Live, it was playing Mad, I was own

1384
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: excuse me, I was playing Game Day. Then I was

1385
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 1: playing Resident Evil. I was playing Uh. I was playing

1386
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 1: Hey outside of my environment, my father, and I'm telling me, hey,

1387
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: this this game because games didn't have no ratings back

1388
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: then brand that far though. Playing that, I'm like, hey,

1389
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: this is where I live at. I could I could

1390
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: be the person that's doing all the negative stuff and

1391
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: all that stuff that's not supposed to be like that's

1392
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: gonna get you locked up and not on the right path.

1393
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,520
Speaker 1: I can be this person on the game right, So hey,

1394
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: mistick to this right and okay, hey, it's not just

1395
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: my parents make me play video games. Hey, you gotta

1396
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: read these books and do this stuff too. So it

1397
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: was okay, I can read these books real quick, do

1398
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Uh, do all these words, keep learning,

1399
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: keep expanding my brain then or let me go over

1400
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: here to these video games because I don't want to

1401
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: think about the outside world and what's really going on

1402
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: and the negativity. I want to think positive and I

1403
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 1: feel like I can control stuff. And that's what it does,

1404
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: is a control thing. We know the thing about it

1405
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: when you when I look at you, first of all,

1406
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate the the humbleness, which is part of half

1407
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: foundations narrative being appreciative. I hear that in my interview.

1408
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: I hear the word thankful in the interview. You know

1409
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: you you do represent that, and then you represented all

1410
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: phases of HAT in this interview, and I think that

1411
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 1: would that being the foundation. How does your foundation work?

1412
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: Who you're focusing on helping with your HAT foundation, and

1413
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 1: what's the future of HAT well, hopefully the future of

1414
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 1: HACK can be expanded to many of states. Um, just

1415
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: it's just basically the health that you. It's healthy youth

1416
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: through programming and not programming of of oh like, hey

1417
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: you gotta do this, listen to this and be this

1418
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: type of person. No, it's programming of having fun and

1419
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: joining and understanding that your knowledge can get you further

1420
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: than your athletic abilities ever can, because hey, at the

1421
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: end of the day, yeah, you can play hard and

1422
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: do everything possible to try to make it to that

1423
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: next level of the NBA or overseas, but it may

1424
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: not pan out for you, or injury maybe happen. What

1425
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: we want to make sure that you've got a scholarship,

1426
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 1: and not just any scholarship, but four years scholarship to

1427
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: a D one school to get your education first, because

1428
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 1: that's what we care about here and have foundation and

1429
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 1: it it's about your education, about you going to that

1430
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:17,759
Speaker 1: next level of education, about you graduate in high school

1431
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: a better person, not just man, not just female, because

1432
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: we have manual ely boys, we have manly girls. Just

1433
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: a man or a female being a better overall person

1434
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: going out there feeling as confident as you were on

1435
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: the court, but in the classroom or just in the dorms,

1436
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, our whole objective

1437
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: is to get you to d one so you can

1438
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: make the world a better place and have a full

1439
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: ride in your parents. Don't don't have to worry about.

1440
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: Nothing I gotta do is worry about whole I got

1441
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of money, I can come see you. Hey,

1442
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: we got a little bit of money, you could come

1443
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: see me, right, And that's what my parents had to

1444
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: worry about. And that's what I believe that the youth

1445
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: should be able to pretty much having their hands with

1446
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: the with the proper lane, with the proper opportunity, And

1447
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,440
Speaker 1: that's what hat's all about, giving you the proper opportunity.

1448
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: I know that I come from an inner city, six shisters,

1449
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: two brothers, so I know about what you're talking about.

1450
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't when I grew up. I didn't

1451
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: have video games, you know. I just I always tell people,

1452
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, when we moved to a better neighborhood, but

1453
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: it was the same black people. It was the same experience.

1454
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 1: When I walked outside that door, it was just a

1455
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: little bit better. And that was just my parents desire

1456
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: just to give us a little bit better to seek

1457
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: a little bit better opportunity because they saw there were

1458
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: opportunities out there. And when I look at your skill set.

1459
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: I have Rick Fox on the show and he was

1460
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: talking about he owned a gaming leave part of the

1461
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: Gaming League, and he owned a game team a team,

1462
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 1: and he was just talking about the value of these teams. Now,

1463
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: I know you wanted Fourth Night, you want this second place.

1464
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: Where does the future hold for you in that whole

1465
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: Fortnight and then the whole gaming industry? Are you gonna

1466
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 1: be built part of Are you gonna own a team?

1467
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna be part of the league. What does it

1468
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:10,839
Speaker 1: take you? Kenneth f reed A k A. Nord, Well,

1469
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: that's where we're building right now. Um uh. Like I said,

1470
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: I see the future in the youth, and the Half

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01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: Foundation is kind of that. I'm looking for people to

1472
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: help give back and not just because it's Kenne Freee hat. Yeah,

1473
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 1: but it's not for me. I don't see it down

1474
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: from it on. Anything I'm doing is just giving it

1475
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 1: back to the kids everything. That's everything I'm about. I

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01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,799
Speaker 1: have five kids of my own, three boys, two girls,

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Speaker 1: So for me is hey, I'm building them to understand

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Speaker 1: that you gotta work your tel all to reach your goals.

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Speaker 1: Back the same token, make little make impact in the world.

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Speaker 1: Don't just be a person who, oh make their dreams

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Speaker 1: come to all that other stuff, and like, I want

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Speaker 1: to isolate myself from very body. No give back the bill.

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Speaker 1: Continue to be a great person. Build your your name

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Speaker 1: Hey the third, Like, you got the name, so you

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Speaker 1: just because your brother got the name on me, y'all

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Speaker 1: can't do the same thing. Y'all boys, All y'all boys,

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Speaker 1: y'all go. But for me, I'm more so on my

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Speaker 1: girls than anything, because yo, y'all, little girls. Everybody looking

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Speaker 1: for y'all to be black little girls who just look

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Speaker 1: for handouts and marry athletes or whatever. Then oh, just

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Speaker 1: have plenty of baby like baby fathers or whatever. No,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be better than this. You're gonna be smart, educated.

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Speaker 1: a lot of money. But now you gotta do everything.

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Speaker 1: You gotta play sports, still be active, focus on, focus

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Speaker 1: why I tell my kids your student athlete. So for me,

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Speaker 1: I'm building this video game stuff and I got my

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Speaker 1: and there they go, almost on time. This morning. Mom

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Speaker 1: you write enough records, and you write enough hit records,

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Speaker 1: Keep winning. Welcome back to Money Making Conversations with your host,

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Speaker 1: Rashwan McDonald. My next Jeff is Chef Q. Chef Q

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Speaker 1: is a veteran to serve eight years in the Navy.

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Speaker 1: He's in the great example of perseverance and not giving

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Speaker 1: up on your dreams. He opened Q seven, which is

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Speaker 1: his month and date of his birthday, as a restaurant

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Speaker 1: in December and had to close four months later due

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Speaker 1: to the pandemic. Chef Q made adjustments and created to

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Speaker 1: go ardiers and the family menu menu, which became a

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Speaker 1: big healthful parents working home remotely. He also had working

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Speaker 1: at home, working remotely at home and Instaid like that.

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Speaker 1: He has received exceptional reviews for his great tasting food

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Speaker 1: and service from President Bill Clinton, TV radio host My Boar,

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Speaker 1: Steve Harvey, singer songwriter Sean Mendez, loved his music, actor

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Speaker 1: Danny Glover, comedian George Lopez, NBA player Chris Paul Houston,

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Speaker 1: astro's manager Dusty Baker, and a host of others. They

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Speaker 1: have all enjoyed the delectable meals of Chef Q. Let's

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Speaker 1: find out why please working the money making conversations my man,

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Speaker 1: Chef Q, how you doing, sir, I'm doing good man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the invite. This is awesome. Well, first

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Speaker 1: of all, I know, just lay out to the food carpet.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to say the food. Let everybody know what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to. You know what I'm saying. So tell

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Speaker 1: us about you know, you know, because I read your bio,

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01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 1: is that you yourself talk? Chef? You know you I am.

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Speaker 1: I started washing dishes and um, get working my way

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Speaker 1: up the ladder. Um not then you know, giving that

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Speaker 1: red carpet treatment. Kind of had to do what you

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Speaker 1: had to do. And uh, you know, keep keep working hard.

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Speaker 1: Don't work hard, my mom taught me. Now you know,

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Speaker 1: when I hear that term, you know, just you know,

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Speaker 1: started washing dishes. Now, okay, I would tell you my

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Speaker 1: little funny story. And I remember I was six years old.

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Speaker 1: I worked at Burger King. They hired me to do

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01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: the hamburgers, you know all I do. But I didn't

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Speaker 1: like that job. I worked my way up to the

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Speaker 1: cash register every time the manage to come and go,

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Speaker 1: why are you not making burgers? Well, because I wanted

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01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: to work to cass so but it's so eventually he

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Speaker 1: let me stay at the cash register. Now, you started

1629
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: washing dishes? How did you start, you know, being invited

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01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,480
Speaker 1: over to me, you know, make food or could participate

1631
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Speaker 1: in setting the food up in a sue chef? How

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Speaker 1: did that work? Well? And started in the prep room right,

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Speaker 1: because the guys would go out on their smoke breaks

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Speaker 1: and they needed, you know, somebody to watch their station.

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Speaker 1: Bob volunteered. And I just picked up a knife one

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Speaker 1: day and the chef at the time walked by, saw

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Speaker 1: me with a knife and said, hey, let me show

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Speaker 1: you how to hold that knife. It started there. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know the interesting you say that because man, you

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Speaker 1: know we we can assume because you know, we watched

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Speaker 1: TV all the time, Food Networks and video They said

1642
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Speaker 1: the most watched videos on social media food videos. That

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01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,600
Speaker 1: knife and how you use it. First of all, he

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01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: should have a sharp knife, you know, don't you want

1645
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,839
Speaker 1: to be frustrated? Try to do something with a dog knife?

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01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 1: Talk about that because we all know that, you know,

1647
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: we have steak knives, you have you know what's just

1648
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Speaker 1: take now you're lives? Did you have with your kitchen?

1649
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 1: It with your focking? That talk about the whole process

1650
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Speaker 1: of things we take for granted the chef, they should

1651
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Speaker 1: not be taking grant, especially a sharp knife in your

1652
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Speaker 1: kitchen when you're trying to prepare food. You know that

1653
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: that's a great point because I learned that the young young,

1654
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,640
Speaker 1: young young and nut calling their career that there's the

1655
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 1: right tool for the right job. So you have to

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Speaker 1: understand that and able to use the two that's supposed

1657
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: to be for the job. And it really is gonna

1658
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,759
Speaker 1: make your job a little less cumbersome. Um, sharp knives

1659
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: is important. I sharpened my knives all the time. So

1660
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Speaker 1: it's little things like that that will help you, you know,

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Speaker 1: do the task more efficiently. Because I see, if you know,

1662
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 1: when I'm watching the pro whether his Bobby Flay or

1663
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: on on TV or any of the prominent sheriff that

1664
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: come on these foods are watch the the Chops shows

1665
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: when they start chopping at those knives coming in sleep.

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Speaker 1: Those are sharp knives that they're using to really really chopped,

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Speaker 1: especially when you do it with veggies, chopping it real

1668
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: quick and all those things. And so so that was

1669
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: your first lesson. Somebody saw you over there just handling

1670
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: a knife really wrong. When did you start moving in

1671
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 1: and said, this is what I want to do. Because

1672
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, we always have different dreams and different aspirations,

1673
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Speaker 1: but when does when does it become a reality? Did

1674
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Speaker 1: you that this is something that you could do and

1675
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Speaker 1: you wanted to do well? When that same chef had

1676
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: a little faith in me, he looked at me and

1677
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: he said, hey, you're pretty good at this. This could

1678
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Speaker 1: be a career if you wanted to be. Because in

1679
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 1: my mind, I was just working my way to get

1680
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Speaker 1: a little extra money, working my way through college. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then when he told me that, it kind of

1682
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: dawned on me. And then I started doing a little

1683
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: bit of research and asking more questions than you know,

1684
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 1: writing down more things that he would say, and kind

1685
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: of getting serious about it and saying that it's more

1686
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: than just flipping burgers, because that was the misnomer to me.

1687
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 1: To be a cook means I gotta flip burgers or

1688
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 1: I gotta you know, brought chicken for the rest of

1689
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 1: my life, right, So that was a miss nomen for me.

1690
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: So when I learned out that there was so much

1691
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 1: more to do in this career or culinary arts, then

1692
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: I got more interested in it. Yeah, because you can

1693
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: be um. Like I said, you can't be stereotype about

1694
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: what a chef does. You know, and there's nothing negative

1695
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 1: you have a chef for. Like I go to I

1696
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: Love wife a house, you have a chef there, called

1697
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: out the ticket, knowledge and even remember everything you need

1698
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: to make your food. Then you go to a high

1699
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: end restaurant or you can go to other restaurants where

1700
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: you can have different titles for different things. So that's

1701
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 1: that's a respect. And also I always tell people in

1702
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: my show is that if you're gonna go into a field,

1703
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 1: learn what you're going into. And that's what you had

1704
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: to do because you had these stereotypes of what a

1705
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: chef was. They were totally incorrect, right, you know. And

1706
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: another thing I think I want to add on to

1707
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: that because I think that we have a talent, but

1708
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: I think we have to have a knowledge of what

1709
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 1: we're go into. Right, that's two totally different things. Um.

1710
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 1: You know, so that chef saw in me a talent

1711
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: that I could do this for a profession, but I

1712
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 1: had to learn the knowledge of what it meant to

1713
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: do what he was asking me to do. So I

1714
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: think that's two totally different things. And if we can

1715
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: understand that. Um, And then I wanted you know again,

1716
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 1: it was a long, long road. I don't want anyone

1717
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 1: to think it was easy. Um. I got turned down

1718
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 1: many jobs, I got told no a lot um, but

1719
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: I just kept at it. I kept at it. I

1720
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:27,560
Speaker 1: kept at it. And then, um, you know, sooner or

1721
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 1: later you get that break. But you gotta be ready

1722
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 1: for that break. You gotta be able to perform, and

1723
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 1: you gotta be ready to Um. You know, you gotta

1724
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: show up on time. That's the little things, right. You

1725
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: gotta do what you do, what they ask you to do.

1726
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: That those are the little things. So work the shift

1727
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 1: that no one else wants to work, that was all me. Um,

1728
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 1: long hours, first one there, last one to leave, that

1729
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 1: was all me. But I wanted to prove and to

1730
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: myself first and then to those around me that I

1731
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: could do this. Well, that's that's absolutely true when you

1732
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 1: caught window because being a chef, of being a cook,

1733
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, usually you're the only want. In other words,

1734
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: if you have a normal job and you an administration

1735
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 1: or your secretary you don't come to work, or or

1736
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: your salesman, then they can slide somebody in that can

1737
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 1: cover for you. If you all these shifts. There is

1738
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 1: no covering right chief, right right when I take a

1739
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 1: day off, we close the restaurant. But not that we're

1740
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 1: working on that. Though, we're working on that. I got

1741
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 1: a great team that we're training that we're working on that.

1742
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 1: But you know, but but you want to get away

1743
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: all your secrets either, do you? You know people can

1744
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: take your secrets and goes to place house with it. Right. Well, hey,

1745
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 1: so here's my thing on that if if they take

1746
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: it from me, and then I'll just create more. So

1747
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 1: I'm not really you know, how caught up on that.

1748
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 1: There's a recipe book. Everything we do in the restaurant,

1749
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: there's a recipe book. So all the cooks and all

1750
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: the you know, people that work there. If they want

1751
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: to grab a page and steal it, so be it.

1752
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: You know I think that you know, that just leaves

1753
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 1: me more room to create more. So you know I'm

1754
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: not up on Oh it's mine. It's a secret because

1755
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm standing on the shoulders of someone, right,

1756
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, my mom, my grandmother, my aunties. You know,

1757
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm standing on the shoulder of those TV shows that

1758
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 1: I watched as well. I'm standing on the should of

1759
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 1: those books that I read when I when I was

1760
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: coming through the ranks. So if someone wants to stand

1761
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: on my shoulders and so be it. Well, you know

1762
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: it's interesting you say that because when I was doing

1763
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 1: standing up comedy, you know, it's always a fear of

1764
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 1: somebody's stealing your joke. You know. Now, I would hear

1765
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 1: the comments, man, somebody walking arover, here's still your joke, Here'

1766
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 1: still your joke. And I was I was like you,

1767
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I don't think I'm I'm this

1768
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 1: is all the jokes. I'm right in my life and

1769
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,679
Speaker 1: so I'm a one hundred percent guy. I would always

1770
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 1: going to get my best. And that's what you're saying,

1771
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: that you're not gonna limit yourself because you fear, fear

1772
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 1: that something you can't control, because you can't control somebody

1773
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 1: come in and figure out your recipe and taking someplace else.

1774
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 1: If that's all, if you only got one hamburger in

1775
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 1: your life, then you got a problem. I don't think

1776
01:34:56,360 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 1: you want a hamburger man chef Q right, right right,

1777
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: And you know, it just leads the room to create.

1778
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 1: And you know that's the thing about food. It's ever changing,

1779
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:09,799
Speaker 1: it's forever changing, and they the melting part of food

1780
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 1: is endless. So it really is about to create creative

1781
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 1: mind of the chefs. So I don't get caught up

1782
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,599
Speaker 1: on all of that, you know. And you know, I'm

1783
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 1: asked a lot of times, you know, by younger chefs

1784
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 1: or younger cooks coming up through the ranks about helping

1785
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,839
Speaker 1: them and all that. And I'm really really gay because

1786
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 1: I wanted somebody to do that to me, especially as

1787
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 1: a black chef coming up, right. I wanted to see

1788
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 1: me at those executive chef positions and I didn't. So

1789
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm really really really mindful about you know, you know,

1790
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: talking to the younger chess or younger cooks, especially of color.

1791
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 1: You know, you do based in a suburb right out

1792
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 1: saw the Sacramento, California. And now, like you said, early

1793
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: on in your life, you got a taste for the

1794
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:59,680
Speaker 1: culinary flair. Uh, Now do you put eight years in

1795
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 1: the Davy was that was that after you started cooking,

1796
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 1: or you'd sample a little cooking training. And that was

1797
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: before my military career, was before I started cooking. Um,

1798
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 1: but um, when I got out of the military, when

1799
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of got a little training in

1800
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 1: the military, if you will, because when I was changed

1801
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 1: over my job in the military, they sent me to

1802
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 1: what we call the galley, right, and they made me

1803
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: cook a little bit there. Um. And again there was

1804
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 1: no intention of me to be becoming a chef or

1805
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 1: work in this industry. But when I got out of

1806
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 1: the military and I needed a job, I knew I

1807
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 1: could watch dishes. I knew that. So that's where it started.

1808
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: And then, um, just I don't know the hand of God,

1809
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,639
Speaker 1: the few breaks here and there, and um, you know

1810
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 1: here we are. Well I think that Uh, it takes

1811
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 1: a certain amount of perseverance, a certain degree, a whole

1812
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 1: lot of humfulness. Just say hey, And I always tell

1813
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: people sometimes you have to you know, it's not about

1814
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: the money. It's about the opportunity. That's how I saw

1815
01:36:57,479 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 1: when you talked about watching dishes. You know, you saw

1816
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: an opportunity, and that opportunity that led to the conversation

1817
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,640
Speaker 1: we're having on my show, Money Making Conversation speaking with

1818
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: Chef Q. He opened a restaurant twenty seven, that's the

1819
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 1: month and date of his birthday, outside of the small

1820
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 1: suburb in Sacramento, California area. And then everything's feeling good.

1821
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 1: The walkers through the steps, this step of well, you're

1822
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: starting to see it go bad, but you're not admitting

1823
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:31,599
Speaker 1: that this can really happen. Not now, God, come on that. God,

1824
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 1: you can't do it like this right right, So you

1825
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: know it's everything we did at the inception of the

1826
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 1: restaurant was intentional. We intentionally opened December to seven, like

1827
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 1: you said, on my birthday, because in the restaurant industry,

1828
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 1: I know that that is a slow season of restaurants.

1829
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: It's holiday season. Two years resolution, nobody is coming out

1830
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 1: to eat my mind. That gave me. That gives me

1831
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 1: time to hit my legs under us, get our staff together,

1832
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: and make sure we get things right outside the public eye.

1833
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 1: So it was very intentional. But then you know, but

1834
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:15,600
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't think. I don't. I wasn't ready for.

1835
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't think nobody was ready for. But I sat

1836
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 1: down with my wife, who is my general manager, and

1837
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 1: I said, well, it's not only here us or affected us,

1838
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: It's infected everyone. So how are we gonna come through

1839
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 1: with it? And we did. We looked at other restaurants

1840
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 1: and we saw what they were doing that just didn't

1841
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: work for us because we were so new, nobody knew

1842
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 1: who we were, so the door dash and the grub

1843
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 1: hub and all of that stuff, it didn't work for us.

1844
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 1: So we created, Yeah, we downsized our menu, created a

1845
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: family style menu for you know, for the families that

1846
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 1: are was around us, and we you know, we put

1847
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 1: it on our social media. But on top of that,

1848
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:57,800
Speaker 1: we started feeding the front line health workers in the hospitals.

1849
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 1: We started giving them box bunches and you know, sharing

1850
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:05,720
Speaker 1: the love with them and saying thank you. Um, and

1851
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: that started becoming I don't know, a buzz in the hospitals.

1852
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 1: And then people started ordering our family meals and they

1853
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:17,719
Speaker 1: started enjoying our family meals and then it just kept

1854
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 1: escalating and going from there and um, you know, from

1855
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 1: that when they were. When we were able to open outside,

1856
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,720
Speaker 1: people just kept coming and kept coming, and you know,

1857
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:32,680
Speaker 1: then you know, we were fortunate enough to be you know,

1858
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 1: supported by the black community, and then so they started

1859
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 1: supporting us UM and it just balloon to you know,

1860
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 1: a really really busy, busy restaurant, which I'm very grateful for. Well,

1861
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 1: tell us what exactly is a family meal, Chef Q.

1862
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 1: You said it several times, and that that I just

1863
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 1: seen when I hear the word family and the meal.

1864
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: I had large portions just to meet to meet in

1865
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:59,720
Speaker 1: two veggies and meeting two veggies and a bread what

1866
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 1: their family meal? So so, and in my mind, what

1867
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to do was create something to where all

1868
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:08,880
Speaker 1: the family had to do with just go home, open

1869
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 1: the box, put it on the table and have a dinner,

1870
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 1: mill have a family meal with their kids and all

1871
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 1: that stuff. Because you know, remember kids wasn't the kids

1872
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:20,719
Speaker 1: were at home, schooling at home, and parents just didn't

1873
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 1: have time. So we created this menu to where they

1874
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 1: could choose you know, one or two uh of proteins,

1875
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:32,599
Speaker 1: whether it's protistory, chicken, fried chicken, meat loaf, um. They

1876
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 1: we had a seafood platter, we had all of this

1877
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 1: stuff on there, and then they could choose potatoes, rice

1878
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 1: call it greens back and cheese. So they kind of

1879
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 1: pieced together their own little meal and we just put

1880
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 1: it together in a box and had it ready for

1881
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 1: him when they came. What you just said is a

1882
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 1: family meal mac. Come on, now, that that's that food again.

1883
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 1: That's what they call hardy meals. And also you know,

1884
01:40:59,120 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 1: it's just a light season if you want to put

1885
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:02,640
Speaker 1: a little salt and pepper on it, you know, and

1886
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 1: all those things. So it didn't take no, you know,

1887
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 1: because who they say, what kids don't like mac and geese?

1888
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 1: So you went in there, but every kid. But but

1889
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 1: you know something, Chef Q. Everybody can't do mac and cheese,

1890
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 1: right though? You know that though everybody can't, everybody can't.

1891
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 1: But I'm from the South, don't so because because I

1892
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 1: always talk about food and didn't know, you know, you're

1893
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:26,719
Speaker 1: coming down in my area and you say from the South.

1894
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 1: I born in Houston, Texas right now, my my my

1895
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 1: my headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia. I come from a big family,

1896
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 1: not as big as you. And I come from six sisters,

1897
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:38,640
Speaker 1: two brothers, okay, and you come from the youngest or seventeen,

1898
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 1: and so I'm the middle child, you know, for for

1899
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 1: above me before below me, you know. So so they

1900
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:46,719
Speaker 1: said I was treated special because I was in the middle,

1901
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 1: but I don't believe that, Chef Q, I don't believe that.

1902
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 1: So so what about in the south did you? Did

1903
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 1: you feature my friend? Man, I'm from a small town

1904
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 1: called Cross City, Florida outside of Games though I'm the youngest,

1905
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 1: so you know, I don't want that I was treated

1906
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:06,680
Speaker 1: uh uh specially treatment. I was bullied by my brother's man.

1907
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 1: It took me through. I know, the feel it, you know,

1908
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 1: because you know you're younger, because they always said, you know,

1909
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,080
Speaker 1: they didn't have what you get, you know what I'm

1910
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: saying at all the clothes with my mom. My mom

1911
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 1: kept me close. So that's why I got to learn

1912
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 1: the secret Russa beans because she kept me close. Absolutely.

1913
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 1: You know. It's really interesting, man, when we talked about that,

1914
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 1: that chef world, you know, like, you know, I didn't

1915
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 1: really start. I would like you. I used to watch

1916
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 1: my mom, but my mom was traditionalist. She wouldn't let

1917
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,800
Speaker 1: me come in and kitchen my dad, no boy come

1918
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 1: over here, let them let them girls they're supposed to

1919
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 1: be in the kitchen. No, that's a mentality back then,

1920
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 1: so I never I could only watch And so when

1921
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 1: I got in college, I should always remember what she

1922
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 1: did and I kind of like put it together and

1923
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 1: then and then so I always it was a natural cook.

1924
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 1: You know, I can go into I can go into

1925
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: kitchen just start putting stuff together, you know, and things

1926
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 1: like that. So I get that person that you are

1927
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 1: just a natural person with the culinary experience. Are watching

1928
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:10,800
Speaker 1: your mom and being there, which has let you have

1929
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 1: a year over twenty five years because you self talked,

1930
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,800
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, of that process. What surprises the

1931
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:19,679
Speaker 1: people the most about you your skills when you say

1932
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:24,439
Speaker 1: to tell them yourself talk. I think it's the flavor

1933
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: pompound that we put together. We have bold flavors um

1934
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:31,720
Speaker 1: and then we have some unique flavors um then from

1935
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:33,640
Speaker 1: the South, and then you know, I'm not afraid to

1936
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:37,639
Speaker 1: try different things. Um, you know back in that day,

1937
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like, you a big family, but no,

1938
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:43,719
Speaker 1: my mom, I didn't have a father in the home,

1939
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 1: helped me to stay out of the kitchen, right so

1940
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 1: that my mom she was like, well, coming here, boy,

1941
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 1: just sit down over there in our corner to keep

1942
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:53,400
Speaker 1: me out of trouble type thing, or to keep my

1943
01:43:53,439 --> 01:44:00,719
Speaker 1: brothers from jumping on me or whatever. But you know, so,

1944
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 1: so you started asking questions for Mom. And you know,

1945
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't like she wrote everything down or she explained

1946
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 1: everything to the t She gave her best knowledge of

1947
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 1: what she was doing. But it really was like by

1948
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 1: taste or by sight. And I don't know, I don't

1949
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,720
Speaker 1: I can count on my hands how many times I

1950
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 1: saw Mom used measuring cups or boons and things like that.

1951
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 1: It was all tasting it. You know, it's crazy. I know,

1952
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 1: I deal with that, man. I I just watching your parents.

1953
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 1: Just just throw it in there. Just throw it in there, dude,

1954
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:33,479
Speaker 1: just throw it in there. Just throw it in there.

1955
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: So you know, you you you fast forward and then, um,

1956
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,680
Speaker 1: so now I'm in my career and I had the

1957
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 1: pleasure to travel the world through the military. I traveled

1958
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:47,839
Speaker 1: the world, and I tasted some great foods in foreign countries.

1959
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:50,679
Speaker 1: So now I come back to California and I'm really

1960
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 1: serious about this culinary thing. So, um, I reached back

1961
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 1: to the South, my roots in the South, and then

1962
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 1: I reached all the way, you know, to the my

1963
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,679
Speaker 1: national travels, and I started playing with all of these

1964
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 1: different ingredients if you will. Um. And then I'm here

1965
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 1: in California, which is a form of fresh capita, so

1966
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:14,520
Speaker 1: I got fresh produce and fresh products at my disposal.

1967
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: So it really is like, let's just try this and

1968
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:21,799
Speaker 1: see how it works. So this tastes great, this sounds

1969
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:25,679
Speaker 1: good together, Let's let's just play. And it really has

1970
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:27,680
Speaker 1: been that for me and for my career. And I'm

1971
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:30,719
Speaker 1: not afraid to fail. I'm not afraid to try addition

1972
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 1: and oh that didn't work, dispatch that, um, So I'm

1973
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:36,599
Speaker 1: not afraid that that at all, or changing it up

1974
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 1: a little bit because you know, um, in the South,

1975
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 1: we cooked a lot of things or my my, my

1976
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:43,680
Speaker 1: mom and them, they cooked a lot of things that

1977
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:46,679
Speaker 1: wasn't exactly healthy for us. So can I take those

1978
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 1: ingredients or that that way changed up just a little

1979
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 1: bit and make it a little bit more healthy for

1980
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 1: for our lives today. So I'm challenged with all that,

1981
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:57,880
Speaker 1: but I take those challenges head on. And you know,

1982
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:01,719
Speaker 1: to me, it's it's our calling. Their industry is every changing,

1983
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 1: is forever, like just fans forming. Um, it's that's the

1984
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:11,120
Speaker 1: growth in our culinary industry. For me is I want

1985
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:13,639
Speaker 1: to stay true to the roots, right where the food

1986
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 1: comes from, but I want to make it. I want

1987
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 1: to modernize it. Thus we kind of call our restaurant

1988
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 1: modern Comfort Food absolutely Q twelve twenty seven, located right

1989
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 1: outside of Sacramento, California. I'm talking to chef Q. Chef

1990
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,760
Speaker 1: tell us about this restaurant. Tell us what inspired you

1991
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 1: to open a restaurant? First, and then let's go to

1992
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,600
Speaker 1: the menu and some of the discussions of what's on

1993
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 1: that menu and what really pops out from you, because

1994
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 1: everybody knows there's certain things on the menu customers just

1995
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 1: asked for. They go, I gotta have this, this is

1996
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 1: my favorite, is my favorite. But then all but but

1997
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 1: you keep your whole menu because you gotta have variety

1998
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 1: and the different people like different things. So talk about

1999
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 1: what inspired you. I've told everybody why why this name

2000
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 1: Q twelve twenty seven. But what inspired the concept of

2001
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 1: modern comfort food struck? Well, first of all, it inspired

2002
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 1: me was I was UM. I was at my wits

2003
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 1: and working and other high end restaurants. UM all my life,

2004
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:11,639
Speaker 1: I worked in pretty you know, white table class restaurants,

2005
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 1: if you will, and UM, it just got to a

2006
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 1: point to where you know, I'm giving them, you know,

2007
01:47:17,120 --> 01:47:20,840
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen, sixteen hours a day, six seven days a week,

2008
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 1: and just feeling really unappreciated and that you know a

2009
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 1: lot of people get to that point. But when I

2010
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,559
Speaker 1: got to that point, I was like, Okay, it's really

2011
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 1: time for me. Either it's now or never. UM, I

2012
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 1: gotta do this. Um. And we looked for building. We

2013
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 1: looked all over the place, and when we found our

2014
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 1: current location, it really was this fits what I want

2015
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 1: to do. And then we created Because you know, we

2016
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 1: talked earlier about steps to get stereotyped. I didn't want

2017
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 1: to be called a soul food chef. I didn't want

2018
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 1: to be called even a black chef, if you will, right,

2019
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:58,439
Speaker 1: I just want to be a great chef. UM. So

2020
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:00,800
Speaker 1: we found our building, and then what we did was

2021
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:04,320
Speaker 1: we looked around at all the other restaurants around us,

2022
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 1: and we said, well, nobody's doing who like this now.

2023
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:13,680
Speaker 1: So then that's when we be created the menu. And

2024
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:15,400
Speaker 1: then that's when I said, okay, if I pull a

2025
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:17,519
Speaker 1: little bit of the South and a little bit of

2026
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 1: this farm freshness, oh my travels to Japan. Let me

2027
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,639
Speaker 1: pull that in here and let me let me do this,

2028
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:25,880
Speaker 1: and let me marry these two together. So the restaurant,

2029
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:30,840
Speaker 1: the menu, I should say, just evolved around what wasn't

2030
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 1: in the area and from my travels and from my

2031
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 1: experiences and from my childhood. So the menu just kept

2032
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 1: evolving until what it is now. And and some of

2033
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 1: the favorites ideal is like the lobster bikes, Like I

2034
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 1: if brock lobster years ago when I was a caterer

2035
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 1: and I had this one client. He's former Major League

2036
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 1: baseball player. He's a really good friend of mine. Um

2037
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:58,320
Speaker 1: and uh when I opened, when he heard I was

2038
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:00,680
Speaker 1: gonna open a restaurant, he goes, and you gotta put

2039
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 1: those loft things there the way, you know. I was like, no,

2040
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 1: first of all, loss is super expensive. Um, and I

2041
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,679
Speaker 1: own if I could you know, execute it right. It's

2042
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 1: it's it's more. We can have a great thing in

2043
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 1: mind to put on the rest of on the on

2044
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 1: the menu, but we gotta be able to execute it.

2045
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:21,559
Speaker 1: There's nothing like having something great but you can't execute

2046
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 1: it and get it to the table to the guests.

2047
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 1: So that's that's horrible. So I was like, no, I

2048
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 1: can't execute it. I can't put them on. So then

2049
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 1: I had to figure out a way because he kept

2050
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:33,559
Speaker 1: at me. So those lobster bikes are probably on ninety

2051
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 1: nine percent of our table when guests come, then they

2052
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 1: gotta have him other favorites. Um. Because my wife likes

2053
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:42,600
Speaker 1: to say the meat loaf we bake can wrap our

2054
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 1: meat loaf, but she calls it a grown man meat

2055
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:47,800
Speaker 1: loaf because it's really nice and hearty, and it comes

2056
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:51,960
Speaker 1: with our mashed potatoes, um, and some mushroom gravy. It's

2057
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 1: really nice and hearty. It's really a good meet gravy

2058
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:57,360
Speaker 1: or tomato bach gravy that you use there for the

2059
01:49:57,479 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 1: for your beat loaf. It's the brown gravy or tomato

2060
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:03,400
Speaker 1: bached grade tomato based. Baby, it's a little sweet. You

2061
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 1: got a little sweetness in it? No, man, No, it's

2062
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 1: got a little fice in it. Okay, Okay, you know

2063
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:10,679
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about. A lot of people they

2064
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 1: put their little sugar in it. Give a little sweet Okay,

2065
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 1: I love you. Sugar out a little bit under health care,

2066
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:21,760
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Now. You know you

2067
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:23,720
Speaker 1: seeing something earlier but not want to be Recre's two

2068
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:25,639
Speaker 1: things that I always here when I talk to African

2069
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:29,360
Speaker 1: American black chefs the word so food, which I still

2070
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:30,640
Speaker 1: don't know what that means, because I can go to

2071
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:33,639
Speaker 1: restaurants teach the same save menu and I don't see

2072
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 1: the word so tied to it. And then it's being

2073
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 1: discriminated because you're black, because they just say you can

2074
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 1: only do a certain type of menu. So talk about

2075
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 1: that experience because and I won't let people know that.

2076
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:48,160
Speaker 1: I don't care how talent you are, it all comes

2077
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 1: down to color your skin. You know what people think

2078
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: about you and how they can stereotype you, and what

2079
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 1: exactly is so food Chef Q? You know, you know what,

2080
01:50:57,200 --> 01:51:03,120
Speaker 1: that's a great point because you know, Um, I have

2081
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:06,680
Speaker 1: been stereotyped, and um, you know it's not fun. It's

2082
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 1: not fun at all to be stereotype Um. Oh, hold on, man,

2083
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:17,640
Speaker 1: what's Samantha talked about muting your screen? What's that? If

2084
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 1: somebody is speaking, I don't know who it is, is

2085
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 1: iPad two or whoever that is on iPad, We just

2086
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:28,120
Speaker 1: need you to mute who's our pad too? I thought

2087
01:51:28,120 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 1: it was one of a rep of Mr Chef Q. Now,

2088
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:37,559
Speaker 1: so who I don't know, we're good here or we'll

2089
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 1: check that out there. But let's go back to the

2090
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:43,600
Speaker 1: only person I heard talking was you, Samantha. You know

2091
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:46,679
Speaker 1: that you know what I was talking. But thank you.

2092
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that whole discrimination thing that we deal with.

2093
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:53,000
Speaker 1: I dealt with it as a writer in Hollywood. You know.

2094
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 1: I did sitcoms like you know, Sister Sister Jamie Fox,

2095
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:00,040
Speaker 1: the Parkers, but they always said that, okay, that's a

2096
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:02,800
Speaker 1: black sitcom. I could. They would never consider me for

2097
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:05,639
Speaker 1: the sign fields of the home improvements and things like that,

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01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:08,000
Speaker 1: and it always annoyed me because we were doing the

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Speaker 1: same thing happens in the restaurant beings, especially when you're

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Speaker 1: shelf you know the word soul Like I said, I

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Speaker 1: kid you not, I'm a foodie. I go to different

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Speaker 1: restaurants and I go, isn't this what they call soul

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Speaker 1: food over here? But they go to a black restaurant,

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Speaker 1: they just pigeonhole. And sometimes we do over the indulge

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Speaker 1: with the lord with the sugar at these quote unquote

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Speaker 1: soul food restaurants. But you're doing modern comfort food and

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Speaker 1: so you shouldn't be pigeonholed like that, talk about that

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Speaker 1: being a black shelf, especially opening up, we were pigeon

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Speaker 1: toote and we were stereotyped, right because a lot of

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Speaker 1: my counterparts in the industry, you know, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: they did say that, right, and I you have to fight,

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Speaker 1: you know, from being offended by it, right. So I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to prove them wrong. And I'll be a

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Speaker 1: hundred percent transparent with you. It really angered me to

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Speaker 1: to kind of go there like I'm a chef. I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not, you know, I mean, there's nothing I

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Speaker 1: can do about being black, right, So that's who I am.

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Speaker 1: But I'm a chef and I'm I'm in this industry

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Speaker 1: and I'm doing what you're doing. So either you've gotta

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Speaker 1: recognize me as your peer or just don't recognize me

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Speaker 1: at all. Um. I've been called racial names. I've been

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Speaker 1: I've been stereotyped in the industry. I've been giving hifts

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Speaker 1: that the white chefs don't want because the black Now,

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Speaker 1: I've been in management my entire life, but they've been

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Speaker 1: high in restaurants now. And I'll tell you something else.

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Speaker 1: I've been I've interviewed for jobs that I've not gotten

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Speaker 1: because I'm gonna use the word color of my skin.

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Speaker 1: So I would I would, I would interview for executive

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Speaker 1: chef job. They would say, well, we want to hire

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Speaker 1: you for sous chef and I would like, be why

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Speaker 1: the guy that you're you know, eventually looking at is

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Speaker 1: less experienced than I am. Um, not only would want

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Speaker 1: to hire me for lesser position, but give me less

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Speaker 1: money than what the average is. One of the corporate

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Speaker 1: chefs said, well, I didn't think you had what it took.

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Speaker 1: So it's that sort of um racism that I've had

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Speaker 1: to counterpart in my career. Um. And it's sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: it's sometimes it's blatant, is in your face. Other times

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Speaker 1: it's subtle. Um, but all at all, Man, my end

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Speaker 1: game was I'm here to learn. I'm here to um yeah,

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Speaker 1: the information, and I'm here to better my career. So

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Speaker 1: it's not about you. It's not about the racist the

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Speaker 1: racism that you that you you know, you put out.

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Speaker 1: So when we opened on restaurants, yeah, we were labeled

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Speaker 1: all of that, man, and I couldn't let it get

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Speaker 1: to me. Um. I just had to you know, stay

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Speaker 1: with it all through the pandemic, all through all of that. Um,

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Speaker 1: we were labeled because we had a predominantly white area.

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably about ninety five nine white out here. Um.

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Speaker 1: And you know, but it was both ways, right. We

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Speaker 1: had some black patrons wonder why we were out here

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Speaker 1: and why we wasn't you know, why we wasn't in

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Speaker 1: the hood, right, you know, So it worked both ways, um.

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's all educational, right, it's a time

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Speaker 1: for me to educate both races. And when you walk

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Speaker 1: We want to love on you. That's our thing. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: well I love this interview. Man. I really appreciate Chef Q. Really, man,

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Speaker 1: I like said Dustin Baker, that's my boy. You know,

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Speaker 1: we order his whine. My wife loves his wine and

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Speaker 1: get it out of California. So a lot of names,

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul, that's my boys. This a lot of names.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. And I look forward to Senior

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Speaker 1: in the restaurant one of these days when you up

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Speaker 1: in this area. Oh you will. Yeah, I'm gonna come by,

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Speaker 1: bringing my friends too. And I'm gonna just tell you this.

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Speaker 1: I chef Q I pay. I don't have for no

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Speaker 1: I asked. I'll pay every time because as part of

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