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Speaker 1: Republicans are ignoring all polling about their lack of popularity.

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Speaker 1: But first we have the host of the time of Monsters,

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Speaker 1: the Nation's get here. Welcome back to Fast Politics. Get here.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be here, so happy to have you America.

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Speaker 1: We pride ourselves on our ridiculousness, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: we may have hit a new low or high. And

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Speaker 1: I kind of think there's like a the photos of

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Speaker 1: people in the house trying to beat each other up.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was something, although I mean to maybe

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Speaker 1: offer a reassurance not quite recivil war level yet, because

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Speaker 1: of course, famously before the Civil War there was like

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Speaker 1: a senator from our congressman I think from either South

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Speaker 1: Carolina or Mississippi, who beat up an abolitionist on the

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Speaker 1: floor of the house. You know, we're not quite there yet,

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Speaker 1: but violence, you know, parliament is never good. I think

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Speaker 1: they're good this as an interim Republican right Republican and

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Speaker 1: Republican violence. Yeah, Republican on Republican violence is well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I say, let them sort of them. I mean it

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Speaker 1: does remind me of this sort of civil war. Didn't

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Speaker 1: you have standartors caning each other on the floor. Yeah, no, famously, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was a very famous incident and people you know,

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Speaker 1: challenging each other duels and yes, yes that's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't think we're quite at the civil

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Speaker 1: war stage hip. But on the other hand, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean I have to like always do a check.

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Speaker 1: I think you probably saw the story this morning of

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Speaker 1: from New Mexico of the failed candidate Toloman Pena I

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Speaker 1: believe is his name, and he was trying to shoot

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Speaker 1: up Democrats and hiring people to shoot up Democrats as Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as someone who spends a lot of time in New Mexico,

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Speaker 1: I will say there was an important caveat in the art.

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Speaker 1: In one of the first reported articles, which I think

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Speaker 1: not entirely clear, because, as you know, New Mexico is

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Speaker 1: very high murder and shooting, right, they had to make

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Speaker 1: sure that this was not just like random. Sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I think we kind of have you know,

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Speaker 1: that provides Oh and I think that were periods in

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Speaker 1: American history were political violence was much higher than now.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually think, you know, like the eighteen fifties, like

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Speaker 1: like at a higher level that we have now. On

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Speaker 1: the other hand, I don't think we should be complacent, Right,

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Speaker 1: there's a kind of you know, new political violence. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think one way to think about it is, I

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Speaker 1: new permission structors for people to open up some of

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do think we've had three elections since, right,

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Speaker 1: they were put in the majority. But he seems to

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Speaker 1: not be able to resist so let's talk about this

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Speaker 1: because I just want to drill down on this a

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Speaker 1: little bit. It seemed like McCarthy was saying, though, that

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Speaker 1: he wasn't going to put you guys on certain committees,

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Speaker 1: and that it wasn't going to be taking off of

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Speaker 1: all committees. So he has said for me, the Intelligence

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Speaker 1: Committee and Homeland Security, for shift the Intelligence Committee, and

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Speaker 1: and for ilhant Omar Foreign Affairs, and so you know what,

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Speaker 1: we'll see again his his members have come out and

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Speaker 1: said there's a number of them who have said they're

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable with him doing this because I think it it

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Speaker 1: does set a precedent. Because if the standard was don't

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Speaker 1: commit political violence or threatened political violence, or you'll be

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Speaker 1: removing your committees. And now he's expanding it to just

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Speaker 1: using it against his political enemies, well there's no end

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Speaker 1: to that. And you know, I think every Republican in

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Speaker 1: his conference should worry that if they're in the minority

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Speaker 1: next Congress, that they could just be picked off the

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Speaker 1: committees under the new McCarthy standards. Right, no, no question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I also think it's super interesting that, um,

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Speaker 1: that you have this sort of very delicate I mean

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Speaker 1: McCarthy sort of one being pro Trump, but he was

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Speaker 1: still you know, the people who were against him were

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Speaker 1: also pro Trump, that's right, And he gave away, you know,

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Speaker 1: the shop to get their votes. And again he's allowing

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Speaker 1: them to with just one remember, take down the speakership. Again,

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Speaker 1: he's promised to defund the troops. He has promised, you know,

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Speaker 1: to leverage raising the dead ceiling to get cuts to

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Speaker 1: Social Security and Medicare and benefits of Americans count. And

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Speaker 1: so again he is I would say speaker light. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't call them speaker I think speaker light is more fit.

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Speaker 1: When you're in the House, everyone just pretends everything is normal, right, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean they nearly had a fist fight, you know, well, yes,

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Speaker 1: during the Yes but that was Republican on Republican violence.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm just saying, molly. They they bizarrely,

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Speaker 1: one of their members stood up and accused us of

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Speaker 1: drinking on the House floor, which again it's one of

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Speaker 1: the social chairs of the House Democratic Caucus. I can

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Speaker 1: promise you if there was drinking, I would have known about. Okay,

468
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Speaker 1: there's no drinking. Zero. But again, what we later would

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Speaker 1: find out was they were projecting what they were doing,

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Speaker 1: because the people who were in the fight admitted that

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Speaker 1: want that Mike Rogers, who went over to pick a

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Speaker 1: fight with Matt Gates, had been drinking. And so again

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Speaker 1: it's it's chaos. It's just chaos on their side. And

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Speaker 1: c spans season two is definitely gonna get renewed. So

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Speaker 1: what are we not seeing because you are on the

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Speaker 1: floor and you are there and you're in it. What

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Speaker 1: are not seeing as people who are on the outside

478
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Speaker 1: the news is on smaller issues because the big stuff

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Speaker 1: we have to do is fund the government, extend the

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Speaker 1: debt ceiling, keep Ukraine in the fight. That's all three

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Speaker 1: of those are gonna be challenged because you know, they're

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Speaker 1: the chaos agents on their side. I'm still the chair

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Speaker 1: of the Rare Earth Elements Caucus with a Republican from Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: I'm still the chair of the Precision Medicine Caucus with

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Speaker 1: you know, a Republican colleague to reduce rare diseases and

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Speaker 1: detect them earlier. So on the small stuff, there's there's

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Speaker 1: still friendships and working relationships and that will, like I think, continue.

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Speaker 1: But on the committee side, you know the majority of

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Speaker 1: their committee chairs voted to desertify the election. Right. So

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Speaker 1: again that's why it looks like a law firm for

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Speaker 1: the insurrectionists when you put all their pictures up, because

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Speaker 1: they were pro insurrection and now they have gabbles and

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Speaker 1: subpoena power and will litigate the grievances of Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: for the next two years. Who do you think it

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Speaker 1: ends up being the next speaker? Republicans have this very

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Speaker 1: very narrow majority. I mean, if things get crazy enough,

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Speaker 1: there could be or am I just being way to

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Speaker 1: west winging here? A unity candidate look like the Unity

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Speaker 1: candidate was Hockeyen Jeffreys, right, because he never lost a vote.

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Speaker 1: And you know there there were Republicans who were, you know,

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Speaker 1: talking to us moderate Republicans about possibly switching over or

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Speaker 1: you're reaching out through kind of emissaries. In one case,

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Speaker 1: somebody approached me about two different Republicans who were interested,

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Speaker 1: and so I think they'll continue to flirt with that.

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Speaker 1: But the reality, Molly is is again Kevin McCarthy struck

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Speaker 1: this correct bargain with chaos agents who have threatened political violence.

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Speaker 1: And so if you strap late that out, if you're

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Speaker 1: a moderate Republican thinking about supporting a unity candidate, What

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Speaker 1: do you think Margery Taylor Green or Paul goos are

510
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Speaker 1: is going to say about you and aim at you? Right?

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Speaker 1: So I'm afraid that when it comes to actually crossing

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Speaker 1: the rubicon, they look at Liz Cheney and Adam Kinziger

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Speaker 1: and you know, the security apparatus around them, and they think,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to be that. So they

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Speaker 1: just keep their head down. And again they they're the

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Speaker 1: ones that will pay the price because they're the ones

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Speaker 1: that are in the Biden districts. Right, You're going to

518
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Speaker 1: continually have this tension, which is these people can win

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Speaker 1: a primary but can't win a general. That's right. We're

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Speaker 1: here for that because we look at the courts, right,

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Speaker 1: So the Republicans in Alabama, in Ohio and Florida, you

522
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Speaker 1: know they drew uh these are egregious gerrymandered maps where

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Speaker 1: the courts said, yes, these are illegal. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to overturn maps, but we're gonna look at them in advance.

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Speaker 1: So we expect there's probably three or four seats that

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Speaker 1: come back to us. So in a plus four or

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Speaker 1: five majority where they are right now, we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: three or four back and then, as I said, there's

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Speaker 1: those eighteen Biden districts. You know, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: George Santos will run from a rio jail, but knows

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Speaker 1: when that takes us. With Marjorie Taylor Green sitting next

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Speaker 1: to him, it doesn't she get that that could theoretically

533
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Speaker 1: not be a great look for her. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no, no no no. This is this is him pledging for

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Speaker 1: their fraternity, right like this, That's what that was. I mean,

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Speaker 1: amazing stuff. Everything he said and the fact that he

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Speaker 1: digs in with his lies that makes him more qualified

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Speaker 1: to be in their crew. Been less right, That's that's

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Speaker 1: what they believe in, is that you you know, it's

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Speaker 1: the access Hollywood one, right, you never resigned, no matter

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Speaker 1: what you do. I want to ask you about this

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Speaker 1: Senate race from California. Already we have one or two candidates.

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Speaker 1: Dify has not said what she's going to do though

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Speaker 1: she is eighty nine, so she would be when her

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Speaker 1: next term ends, which would be quite old. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you think it's going to be a huge field?

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Speaker 1: And also just tell us a little bit about running

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Speaker 1: in Kewlifornia and what that looks like because it is

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Speaker 1: the fifth largest economy in the world. You probably don't

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Speaker 1: remember this, but I did run for president. Lasted a

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Speaker 1: little bit longer than a cup of coffee, probably a gronde,

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Speaker 1: but not event team. I feel like Brittany may have

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Speaker 1: mentioned this. Yeah, yes, that's right, tour therapist. Now, yeah, kid.

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Speaker 1: One of our pollsters told me when we were thinking

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Speaker 1: about running for president. He's he choked, he said, I

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Speaker 1: actually he told me. He said, it's probably easier for

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Speaker 1: you to be president than to be senator from California,

558
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Speaker 1: because to be president you just have to, you know,

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Speaker 1: win the first four states, you know, Iowa, New Hampshire,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina, and Nevada. And he said, if you add

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Speaker 1: all of those states together, that's still not even half

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Speaker 1: the size of California. So like, California is a state

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Speaker 1: of forty million people, and you know, geographically, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just you know, it's so difficult to you know,

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Speaker 1: traverse the state. Um, you know, fifty eight counties. I

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Speaker 1: believe it's just a big state. It's an expensive state.

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Speaker 1: You have you know, um, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Jose, Sacramento,

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Speaker 1: and San Francisco Bay area media markets. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: it's so expensive to run ads, so expensive to you know,

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Speaker 1: reach voters, and so, you know what, it doesn't surprise

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Speaker 1: me that, you know, two of the people who are

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Speaker 1: being talked about to run, Katie Porter, who's announced, and

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Speaker 1: Adam Schiff, who it looks like may run already start

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Speaker 1: with you know, millions of dollars into the bank, because

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Speaker 1: that that's what it takes. And that's why you often

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Speaker 1: see billionaires run UH in California because they know that

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Speaker 1: it's so expensive that it's real. It really does make

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Speaker 1: a difference and gives them an edge. Um. Now, all

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Speaker 1: of that said, I've I've got you know, I'm friends

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Speaker 1: with Katie Porter, Barbara Lee Rocana, Adams Schiff, and you

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Speaker 1: know most of us right now are focused on the storms,

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Speaker 1: and once you get out of that, you know, we'll

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Speaker 1: start thinking about you know, statewide candidates. Adam Schiff, I've

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Speaker 1: worked the closest with. I don't have to tell you about.

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Speaker 1: You know, how fearless he was during the Russia investigation

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Speaker 1: and impeachment. And I think his words will be repeated

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Speaker 1: for centuries as far as you know what he warned

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Speaker 1: about and how you know apprecient he was on the

589
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Speaker 1: Senate floor talking about you know, the duties of the

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Speaker 1: president and Trump's portrayal. I'll wait to make any endorsements

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Speaker 1: until after, you know, the storm season. I mean because

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Speaker 1: California is one of those states where the primary vote

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Speaker 1: is really it right. They don't have really you know,

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Speaker 1: broad generals the way you do in swing states. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do California primary voters tend to vote?

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Speaker 1: So I'll couch it this way. It could be two

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Speaker 1: different elections. And first remember it's a top two primary,

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Speaker 1: and in one six team Kamala Harris in the general

599
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Speaker 1: election faced off against Labretta Sanchez, another Democrats. So it

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Speaker 1: is very likely that you could see two Democrats in

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Speaker 1: the general election. That's not unlikely at all. If there's

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Speaker 1: multiple Republicans running and a number of well known Democrats running,

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Speaker 1: you can see two Democrats getting through. That's what happened

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Speaker 1: in However, the primary in is a late primary. It's

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Speaker 1: in June, and so if there is no contested Democratic

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Speaker 1: presidential primary, the voter turnout will be relatively low. That

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Speaker 1: is one factor. If there is a Democratic presidential primary,

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Speaker 1: the turnout would be incredibly high. So I'm sure candidates

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Speaker 1: are thinking about that. If it's low turnout, excuse, I

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Speaker 1: would say more progressive voters are the words who turn out.

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Speaker 1: If it's a presidential primary, then you're drawing really a

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Speaker 1: broad base of voters. But I would not be surprised

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Speaker 1: at all if there were two Democrats who make it

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Speaker 1: to the general in this primary, because well funded candidates.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that is wild stuff. So this Democratic California

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Speaker 1: Senate race could go on and on and on and on,

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Speaker 1: just like the mayoral did an lle It will be

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Speaker 1: one of the most expensive I think senate races in

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Speaker 1: the country. So interesting. Eric Swallwell, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: you Mass, amherst and co director of the U Mass

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Speaker 1: Polling Center. Welcome to Fast Politics, Alex Theodoretis. You know

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Speaker 1: you sent me something. You work at you Mass, you

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Speaker 1: do polling, that's your raison, Detrah, And he sent me

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Speaker 1: a poll that kind of blew my mind because it

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Speaker 1: was something I've been thinking a lot about. Can we

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Speaker 1: talk about that? Yeah, so, you know we so at

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Speaker 1: the UMS poll We we run poles periodically. This is

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Speaker 1: not the golden era of doing survey research. But you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the things we're always trying to get a

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Speaker 1: sense of that I think surveys really can still do

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Speaker 1: for us is give us a sense within certain pockets

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Speaker 1: of which way things are moving, how things are looking.

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Speaker 1: And obviously, the narrative coming out of the mid term

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Speaker 1: certainly has been of a Republican Party that's sort of

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Speaker 1: quitting Donald Trump, that has now seen him, you know,

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Speaker 1: all these other things that he did. You know that

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Speaker 1: those those were not enough to kind of to kind

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Speaker 1: of leave him in the dust. But costing an election,

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Speaker 1: which by the way, this wasn't the first election he

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Speaker 1: cost them, right, it's the third, right, right, But costing

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Speaker 1: an election, that's that's crossing a line, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: you're hearing that elite narrative. I've been sort of suspicious

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Speaker 1: of that. So we wanted to see just how much

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Speaker 1: the rank and file have received this memo that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is in the rear view mirror, you know, and

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Speaker 1: and there's some mixed stuff in there, but generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not a party where the average

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Speaker 1: voter is giving a stiff arm to Donald Trump. He's

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Speaker 1: not personna on grata among the Republican rank and file.

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Speaker 1: He still leads if you look at the way too

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Speaker 1: early numbers, you know, he still gets the most first

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Speaker 1: place votes. What's remarkable there is that Rhonda Santis seems

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Speaker 1: to have become the non Trump alternative. All caveat that

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Speaker 1: by saying that very few people probably know very much

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Speaker 1: honestly about Rhonda Santis at this point. But he's he's

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Speaker 1: in a dead heat with Trump still getting more first

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Speaker 1: place votes and them being essentially tied and a head

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Speaker 1: to head. But if you look at other things, and

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Speaker 1: certainly it's not the case that most Republican voters are

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Speaker 1: unwilling to have Donald Trump on the ballot. He's still

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Speaker 1: a top three choice for he gets the most first

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Speaker 1: place votes. He's a top three choice for most Republicans

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Speaker 1: if you ask them, you know why, we give him

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Speaker 1: a bunch of possible reasons why Republicans underperformed, UH, in

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Speaker 1: the two midterm elections. Donald Trump only gets ten percent

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Speaker 1: among Republicans. He's only ten percent think he's the reason.

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Speaker 1: So what do they think is a reason? They think

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Speaker 1: the reasons are the sort of old UH, stand by

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Speaker 1: the greatest hits of rationalizations, media bias thirty so the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media, and then you know, said voter fraud. Right,

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Speaker 1: So we've got over half of the Republicans, you know,

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Speaker 1: already choosing these things that are basically central to Trump's

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Speaker 1: talking points. The vast majority of Republicans still tell you

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Speaker 1: that Biden's election was not legitimate. After all the work

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Speaker 1: the January six Committee did, the vast majority of Republicans

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Speaker 1: are still not placing blame for January six at the

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Speaker 1: feet of Donald Trump. Instead, they point to Capitol Police,

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Speaker 1: they point to the Democratic Party and tifa's in the

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Speaker 1: mix there. Um. They do not think Donald Trump should

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Speaker 1: be prosecuted for his involvement in in January six. They

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Speaker 1: continue to believe the narrative that January six was a protest.

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Speaker 1: That's how they describe those events, and that's how they

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Speaker 1: describe the participants as protesters. Interesting they are they have

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Speaker 1: learned nothing from this election. You know. The truth is

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Speaker 1: it usually takes a long time for parties to learn

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Speaker 1: things because parties are not an it there they there's

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Speaker 1: a big collective action problem, right and you know Republicans

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Speaker 1: are dealing with that right now. I mean they, first

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Speaker 1: of all, they created this. Republican elites created this by

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Speaker 1: even before Donald Trump sort of cow towing to conspiracy theorists,

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Speaker 1: you know, being being way way too willing to just

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Speaker 1: allow these kind of conspiracy theories about Obama to build

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Speaker 1: led up and fester. And then and then Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: seized on that. Uh. And then obviously they just bowed

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Speaker 1: down to Donald Trump for four years and have continued

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Speaker 1: too largely. This is the problem is now you have

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Speaker 1: this situation where it's going to take a long time

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Speaker 1: for the Republican electorate to catch up to this message,

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Speaker 1: if they ever do. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are anxious that this is sort of setting the stage

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Speaker 1: for a Republican party that will not accept election results.

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Speaker 1: This is the great tragedy of Donald Trump. And this

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Speaker 1: is something that that for people like me. I mean

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Speaker 1: I do polling, but as a as a scholar, my

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Speaker 1: focus is on partisan polarization. And this is what people

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Speaker 1: like me are afraid of. When you talk about partisan polarization.

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Speaker 1: I say partisan polarization because it's distinct from polarization along

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Speaker 1: other lines in this particular way. And and and I mean,

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Speaker 1: as you know, we've been polarized as a country for forever,

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Speaker 1: for decades, there's there was huge polarization. You know, your

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Speaker 1: mom faced polarization with her books. We were polarized, you know,

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Speaker 1: in terms of the feminist movement, of civil rights movement,

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Speaker 1: in terms of Vietnam. There have been massive, massive divides.

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Speaker 1: These divides, until recently, have not fallen along party lines.

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Speaker 1: And that's a key distinction. And what happens when when

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Speaker 1: polarization falls along party lines is that elections and democracy

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Speaker 1: become the battlefield. And when that's the case, the greatest

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Speaker 1: fear is that one side or the other will decide

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Speaker 1: to not recognize the results of an election. And that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what we've seen here. It's terrifying. There's a there's

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Speaker 1: a big incentive to do that. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: that's largely what happened leading to the Civil War. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're on the verge of a civil war,

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Speaker 1: but I do think we may be on a on

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Speaker 1: the verge of a gradual movement of democratic backsliding caused

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Speaker 1: by this election denialism that Donald Trump has inserted into

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Speaker 1: our body politics. It's interesting though, I mean, these Republicans

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Speaker 1: are sort of in denial, right. They don't believe that

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Speaker 1: anything that's happening is real, right. They don't believe that

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Speaker 1: they're losing because of Trump. They believe they're losing because

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Speaker 1: of election fraud and the media and this and that.

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Speaker 1: So and I feel like it harkens back to this

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Speaker 1: idea that Trump, you know, Trump would say, don't do

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Speaker 1: male and voting. But it was ultimately hurting Trump and

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Speaker 1: his people. And I mean we saw that in Florida,

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Speaker 1: so a lot of us were worried that this would

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Speaker 1: undermine democracy, but largely mostly undermine Trump Ino and his people.

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Speaker 1: I do think that their attacks on democracy were important

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Speaker 1: in mobilizing democrats more than anything else. I also wouldn't

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Speaker 1: dismiss I think there's there's been too much willingness to

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Speaker 1: dismiss related thing, which is the which is the Dobbs decision.

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Speaker 1: I think that had a big impact, especially among young voters,

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Speaker 1: young Democratic voters, in terms of terms of mobilizing them.

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Speaker 1: I think that yes, on the margins, people choosing not

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Speaker 1: to use mail in ballots probably stifled some of the

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Speaker 1: turnout among Republicans. But to me, the much larger concern

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00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: is the fact that you now have a massive part

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Speaker 1: of the American electorate concentrated in one party that that

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Speaker 1: you know, just has been convinced that they shouldn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: trust elections, and if it's in their interest and if

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Speaker 1: it's in the elite interest to deny the results of

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Speaker 1: an election, they do it. We look at January six,

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Speaker 1: the events of January six, those were horrific. The much

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Speaker 1: more consequential thing I think that was happening is that

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Speaker 1: essentially we had a president with a tacit at least

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Speaker 1: support of his party um and his supporters just sitting

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Speaker 1: back there pulling on threads, trying to figure out if

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Speaker 1: there was a thread that would let them stay in power,

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Speaker 1: and this time there wasn't. But I don't really want

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Speaker 1: to live in America where if there is such a threat,

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Speaker 1: if they did control the House of Representatives, if some

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Speaker 1: of these mechanations that they were trying to put into

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Speaker 1: place actually had the potential to work where somebody does

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Speaker 1: stay in power because they have the House of Representatives

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Speaker 1: as a final backstop, or because as an even further

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Speaker 1: final backstop. You know, what is the military think? Right,

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Speaker 1: what do they have to say about this? Right? All right?

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Speaker 1: You never want to get to that place. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: that's and and that's what worries me, right, that we

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Speaker 1: move in a direction where a lot of Republicans would

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Speaker 1: have been okay with that, A lot of Republicans wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have said anything about that. That to me is what's

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Speaker 1: scary about January six and the whole big lie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that's the underlying anxiety that we

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Speaker 1: all operate under. But it is interesting to me seeing

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Speaker 1: this polling, and I want to ask you abortion because

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Speaker 1: the Jobs decision, we saw a lot of Democrats over

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Speaker 1: performing in special elections, and we saw all of these

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Speaker 1: bow in initiatives passing broadly that were pro choice or

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Speaker 1: anti anti choice. But Republicans in Congress, one of the

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Speaker 1: first things they did make another anti choice bill, and

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Speaker 1: again it has no chance of passing. It's merely theatrical.

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Speaker 1: But it does strike me that in order to get

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Speaker 1: the they really have hit a point where, in order

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Speaker 1: to keep the base engaged, they have to do things

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Speaker 1: that alienate the mainstream. Yeah, I mean, and this gives

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Speaker 1: you a window on some of the pressures that Kevin

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Speaker 1: McCarthy and everybody else have to deal with. In our

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Speaker 1: latest poll, we asked what the Republican House should do,

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Speaker 1: and this is, you know, again, after mediocre showing at

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Speaker 1: best in the mid terms and having a very arrow

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Speaker 1: margin obviously in the House, and Republican voters in massive

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Speaker 1: numbers want them to impeach Joe Biden, and not only that,

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Speaker 1: but expect that they will. More than half. They want

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Speaker 1: them to investigate Hunter Biden obviously, investigate the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: Invest I mean we're talking about in the eighties and nineties. Numbers,

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Speaker 1: investigate the dealing with the southern border, and similar numbers

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Speaker 1: want them to pass legislation that has no chance of

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Speaker 1: becoming law just for the sake of passing that legislation.

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Speaker 1: Only only about half said that they should also pass

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Speaker 1: some compromise with Democrats and Joe Biden in order to

812
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Speaker 1: actually pass things. It's so incredibly insane. Obviously, it's not

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Speaker 1: the legacy of Trump. It's the legacy of of Reagan,

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Speaker 1: you know, of Watergate, of nix It. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is you know, the Southern strategy. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: but it is like Trump was like, why are we

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Speaker 1: disavowing white supremacists when we can just go along with

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Speaker 1: them and that will increase our voters. And I think, like,

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Speaker 1: we're seeing why you don't want to do that. Trump

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Speaker 1: basically did away with the dog whistle. You can just

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Speaker 1: say it and and and hopefully that's not the lesson

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Speaker 1: that Republicans have taken. But I fear it is that

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Speaker 1: a lot of Republican elites have sort of learned from

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Speaker 1: Trump's example that you know, there are no consequences. And

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00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: by the way, that is another thing that polarization and

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Speaker 1: hyper polarization brings us. You know, you're not dealing. It

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Speaker 1: makes accountability much more difficult. If voters are so divided

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Speaker 1: into these into these party silos, and they're hearing different

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Speaker 1: media and exposed to a completely different universe of people,

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Speaker 1: it makes it very hard to to break through, you

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Speaker 1: really get like an event horizon in terms of UH,

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Speaker 1: in terms of trying to communicate, It's like the Santos thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, people are saying, well, why should he resign

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Speaker 1: in all politicians, you know, instead of saying like this

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Speaker 1: person is morally corrupt or you know, it's he's our

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Speaker 1: guy and I'd rather have our guy than you know.

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Speaker 1: It is curious to me as we're talking about this

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Speaker 1: that I mean, it seems to me like Republicans are

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Speaker 1: just unwilling to take the pain they would need to

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Speaker 1: take in order to pivot back to center. It's very

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Speaker 1: hard once you push a party in this direction. They've

842
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: gone very far in this direction, right, They've purged most

843
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: of the people who would want to do that, and

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00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: then you have this group that their whole purpose is

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Speaker 1: not to legislate or anything else, it's to push this

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Speaker 1: It's basically to serve as as trolls of the left.

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Speaker 1: It's extremely hard. And you know, this whole narrative thing,

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Speaker 1: this this notion that somehow the party was going to

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Speaker 1: pivot because of one clear loss that could be attributed

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Speaker 1: to Trump serving as an albatross around the neck of

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Speaker 1: Republicans and their electoral fortunes. You know that that's asking

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Speaker 1: a lot. It takes a long time. It took a

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Speaker 1: long time in the eighties, for example, for Democrats to

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Speaker 1: sort of switch course. And the reason for that is

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Speaker 1: that these these narratives post election tend to very much

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Speaker 1: be a roar shock test. As you said, you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody kind and and all of us do it. There's

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Speaker 1: always an argument. I mean, Bernie Sanders supporters are still

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Speaker 1: talking about ways in which he would have beaten Trump,

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Speaker 1: and there's this strong impulse to engage in motivated reasoning,

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Speaker 1: to rationalize the thing that you already believed. And so

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Speaker 1: it's very easy to do that in a world where

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Speaker 1: we're only seeing one reality and we have we don't

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Speaker 1: see all the counter factuals, and so it's very easy

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Speaker 1: to say, okay, well, in this counterfactual that I preferred,

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Speaker 1: we would have ended up in this, in this blissful place, right. Interesting, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I mean that's what happens if you have no

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Speaker 1: sense of like what the mainstream world is like, you

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Speaker 1: just have these sideloed right wing media ecosystem. Can you

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Speaker 1: explain a little bit about how you guys are are

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Speaker 1: you working on changing polling to reflect better our new world. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, one thing we really want to do is

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Speaker 1: change what we ask of polls more than anything else.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a big part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: You know, a poll can't tell you who's going to

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Speaker 1: win a one or two percentage point election. What I

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Speaker 1: always tell people is that it is sort of remarkable

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Speaker 1: in this day and age that polling is as good

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Speaker 1: as it is because the challenges are incredible. You know.

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Speaker 1: I tell my students that there are two art forms

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Speaker 1: that have really been challenged by cell phones and call

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Speaker 1: our idea, and one of them is prank phone calling,

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Speaker 1: you know, which was a big thing when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid. May it rest in peace, and you can't

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Speaker 1: do it anymore, and and pulling. People just don't answer

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Speaker 1: their phones. It used to be you could in the

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Speaker 1: eighties you could draw a simple random sample by randomly

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Speaker 1: choosing phone numbers and most people answered and you had

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Speaker 1: a really good picture. Now there's so much work you

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Speaker 1: have to do, and it's made harder by polarization. It's

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Speaker 1: made harder by turnout differentials and things like that. So

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Speaker 1: there's just a lot of work that goes in that

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Speaker 1: creates variability on polls, but they still can answer a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions in terms of big movements in opinion. Right,

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Speaker 1: is it most of Republicans who believe that the election

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Speaker 1: was stolen? Not so much? Is it fifty one? Or

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Speaker 1: that such and such a candidate is going to receive

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Speaker 1: And also there are things that we can learn about

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Speaker 1: the internal workings of political cognition and political psychology. And

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Speaker 1: so we try to bring the things that we've learned

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Speaker 1: as scholars, which tend to be very different from what's

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Speaker 1: just of interest to the kind of polling groups out

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Speaker 1: there that are doing these horse race polls, you know,

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Speaker 1: experiments and and certain batteries of questions to really get

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Speaker 1: a little deeper while still making it accessible into political thinking,

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Speaker 1: political behavior, political political cognition. And I think that's what

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Speaker 1: we think of at the UMS poll as our comparative advantage.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Very interesting, my pleasure. Jesse Cannon, Molly,

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Speaker 1: John Fast, George Santos, George Sans got another layer of

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Speaker 1: the onion today. Where did the money come from? Where

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Speaker 1: did the money come from? The ponzi scheme that employed

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Speaker 1: repped George Santos for nearly a year has deeper ties

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Speaker 1: to the shadowy world of the former Soviet Union, not

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Speaker 1: yugoslavin the former Soviet Union that previously understood. Is anyone

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Speaker 1: surprised by this? That would not be me being surprised.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the the Santos thing has gone on

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Speaker 1: and on. But now the question is where did the

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Speaker 1: money come from? Spartacus wants to know where the money

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Speaker 1: came from? Who among us? You know, it's not all

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Speaker 1: tracked down yet, but it certainly sounds like the guy

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Speaker 1: had no money. And then all of a sudden, he's

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Speaker 1: donating seven thousand dollars to his campaign, sending money over

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Speaker 1: to Russia, sending money over to Russia, involved in all

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Speaker 1: sorts of sketchy shit, and for that he is and

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Speaker 1: make continue to be the recipient of our moment of funckery.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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Speaker 1: and politics makes sense of all this chaos. If you

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