1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 2: We're very constrained as a country in terms of the 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: number of launch vehicles that we have right now, and 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: our adversaries around the world are not standing still. 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: They're putting hundreds of billions. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: Of dollars into launch and into space, and especially as 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: it relates to the Moon, which we haven't been on 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: the Moon for fifty years. We think it's really important 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: for Blue, for the country, and it just made prudent 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: sense from our standpoint to take the brilliant people that 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: we're working on New Shepherd, pause that for a while 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 2: we're planning for at least two years, and then repurpose 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: them to even further accelerate our efforts in lunar and launch. 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 3: There was all this excitement I think about New Shepherd, 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: especially because Katie Perry went to space and for civilians 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: who maybe want to have that moment like Mark Bezos had. 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: So do you think you'll go back to that at 18 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: some point? 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: Point? 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: Is it really just a pause? 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: I think we will. 22 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: I think there's still you know, we had multiple years 23 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: of backlog and that it was the easiest ticket to sell, 24 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: was that, And so I think we'll likely come back 25 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,639 Speaker 2: into that into that business. But again at the moment 26 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: in time right now, it just makes more sense to focus. 27 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: On on the Moon. 28 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: So it really is a space race right now. 29 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: I don't you know, I'm very much pro America and 30 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: a capitalist, but I don't think we want another Spotnik moment. 31 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: And we were the first to put boots on the Moon, 32 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: and I really feel like we want to put you know, 33 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: we want to put boots on the moon. And this 34 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: time the name of our group inside of Blue is 35 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: the Lunar Permanence. So we're not only racing to the 36 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: Moon to get there back again for the first time, 37 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: but we want. 38 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: To keep people on the moon, you know, the moon. 39 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: If I don't know where you stand on the Fermi paradox, 40 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: but if you're in the this is all a simulation 41 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: camp the moon. The Moon would have been a it's 42 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: a cheat code in the game that we're living in. 43 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: It's literally three days away, it has no atmosphere, it's 44 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: got one sixth gravity, it's been around for four billion 45 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: plus years. It has every mineral on that that we 46 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: could probably think of. It has water, and we would 47 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: be crazy as a nation not to figure out how 48 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: to use that as a stepping stone to the rest 49 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: of the Solar System and beyond. 50 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: So when you have this visit from the Secretary Hegsath 51 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 3: and you're talking about going to the moon, what is 52 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: the Department of Defense, Department of War, What is the 53 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: US administration asking of you? 54 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: I think the Department of War is a little separate 55 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: from NASA, is really the leading the sphere for going 56 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: to the moon, and we're very supportive of that. But 57 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 2: in general, when you talk to Secretary Hegseath Feinberg at all, 58 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: what you find, especially in air gerospace, is that we've 59 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: ten twenty thirty years ago, we mortgaged our future a 60 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: bit as a country in that if you looked at 61 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: the industrial base of the United States coming out of 62 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: World War Two, for the next ten to twenty years, 63 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 2: our aerospace industry was incredibly vertically integrated, all the way 64 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: down to the supply chain components, to the raw steel, 65 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: to the raw aluminum, to the titanium. And we somewhere 66 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: a couple decades ago, lost the formula and we outsourced 67 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: that supply chain. 68 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: And so what I think we're seeing is a renewed interest. 69 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: And I can certainly say that for Blue that we're 70 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: trying to bring that manufacturing back to the United States 71 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: and our allies. And the fact of the matter is 72 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: that it's often lost on people. Building a prototype or 73 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: one or ten of something is easy. Building the machine 74 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: that makes hundreds of those things, thousands of those things 75 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: in my last job at Amazon, tens of millions of 76 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: those things. 77 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: That is hard and so uh and part of that. 78 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: Part of that being hard is understanding your supply chain 79 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: and being able to very vertically integrate and when somebody says, 80 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: build a new version of this rocket, can you do 81 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: it in a period. 82 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: Of time that's tractable. 83 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: And right now, for the most part, we we have 84 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: lost our way and we're really about trying to pivot 85 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: and get that supply chain, get that manufacturing capability, and 86 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: make Blue Origin and hopefully others will follow our follow 87 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: our lead the world's best manufacturing partner. 88 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 3: So when it comes to going to the Moon, what 89 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 3: is the status of the launch, Launder I know apparently 90 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: it is in the works right now being tested in Houston. 91 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 3: I've been told what's the timeline. 92 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have we have a couple of different fire 93 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: irons in the fire right now, so we have what 94 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: we call m K one mark one of our lander, 95 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 2: which is a very large cargo lander. It can three 96 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: metric tons to the lunar surface. That vehicle is in 97 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 2: just in cryovac testing right now. It'll come back and 98 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: our hope is to launch that in the next you know, 99 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: three to six months, and you know, to put that 100 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: in perspective, that's completely funded by Blue Origin, and it 101 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: is it will be by far the largest thing that 102 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 2: has ever landed on the Moon. Now it's cargo only 103 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: and so but it is a pathfinder mission. It's going 104 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: to test our avionics, our light, our system, our landing systems, 105 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 2: our engine, our B seven engine, and to allow us 106 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: to test all those de risk those things for when 107 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: we try to get boots on the Moon. As we 108 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: move forward, I think, you know, it's it'll take an 109 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: all out effort, but I think there's a path where 110 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: we could get we could get people back to the 111 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: Moon and twenty twenty eight if if NASA wants us 112 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 2: to and we think we have an architecture that would 113 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: allow us to do that, we'll see what the new 114 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: administration has to say, but we're ready and willing to 115 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: give it a shot. 116 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: So the cargo lander is the first step before human lander. 117 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they share a huge amount of the same 118 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: architectural features. As I said, all those subsystems. What you 119 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: have to add to it is and obviously launch. You 120 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: saw the vehicle launch that wasn't Ai by the way. 121 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: That's a real rocket, and you never know these days. 122 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: You don't know these days. 123 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is what we have 124 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: to add on top of that is life supports systems 125 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: and systems that can support docking with Orion as Orion 126 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: comes together to bring the astronauts from Earth to the 127 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: lunar lander before we land on the moon. 128 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 3: You mentioned others will follow, and recently Jeff Bezos, who 129 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 3: never tweets, this was his first tweet of twenty twenty six, 130 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 3: posted a photo of this black tortoise, which goes along 131 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: with blue origins. I think motif of slow and ferocious, methodical. 132 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: But a lot of people have viewed it as a 133 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: warning shot to Elon Musk, which really was focused on 134 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: SpaceX going to Mars and now he's saying we're going 135 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: to focus on the Moon. What do you make of 136 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: that tweet and what is the competition right now? Do 137 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: you think you're going to be the first. 138 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: Well, it gives me an opportunity to put on a 139 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: T shirt for you, So there you go. That's nothing else. 140 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: Let me do that. I get to keep this. Yeah, 141 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: that's all yours. 142 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: And that's the first one off the presses too. By 143 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: the way, I think everybody's going to want one of those. 144 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: But gratitum ferosit is the sort of our internal statement 145 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: about and it sort of stands for step by step ferociously, 146 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 2: which is that you want when you're building space vehicles, 147 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: when you're going to space, you want to do it 148 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: in a way that you're testing as much as you 149 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: can on the ground. Obviously some point you have to 150 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: launch a rocket and see if it works. But we 151 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: want to just move to it and steadfasting, holding within 152 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: reason to our mission. And for the last fifteen years 153 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: we've been saying that. As I said, this moon that's 154 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: out there is amazing place as a stepping stone for us. 155 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: What we're trying to do as a company is again. 156 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: We've visited all the planets in the Solar System with 157 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: probes or in some cases you know, satellites and flybys, 158 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: and we. 159 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: Now know this planet is the good one you. 160 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: Know, it's got an atmosphere, it's got water, it's a 161 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: pretty good place to live, especially down here in South Florida. 162 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: And what we want to do is preserve this planet 163 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: and move heavy industry off of this planet so that 164 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: we can support double, triple, quadruple the population on this planet. 165 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: And that's doable, by the way. That's a very tractable problem. 166 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: And the Moon is an incredibly important part of that. 167 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: And so for us, it's not about did SpaceX change 168 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: their mind or did a lawn change their mind? 169 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: If they did, thank you. 170 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: I'm glad that you're going in this direction because I 171 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: think that's what's right for this planet. I would say 172 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: though that, you know, it makes for good headlines that SpaceX. 173 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: Doesn't have to lose for Blue to succeed. 174 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: What the US needs is it needs two Spacexes. 175 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: It needs two launch companies that are. 176 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: Competing vigorously against each other to try to give us 177 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: the most capabilities as a country, commercially, civilly from a 178 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: defense perspective, because our adversaries aren't standing still and so 179 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: we need to be moving very quickly. 180 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: Healthy competition. 181 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people run into that 182 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: as the tortoise being blue origin and the hair being 183 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 3: Elon Musk and SpaceX because it also comes after Secretary 184 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: Duffy had said that SpaceX is behind, so they were 185 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: opening up for everyone in terms of Artemis and Jared Isaacman, 186 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: who's now the administrator, also said essentially, yeah, whoever can 187 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: get there first is going to get the contracts. 188 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: So do you think you're going to get there first? 189 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: I think, if asked, we will make it. We'll give 190 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: it a run for our money. I like our architecture. 191 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: I like our odds of getting there very quickly. I 192 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: don't have a crystal ball into what SpaceX is doing. 193 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: I think again, Gwenn and Alan are competent, and they 194 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: showed every day by launching rockets. But I love the 195 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 2: fact that the US would compete us against each other. 196 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: They are for sustainability on lunar, we're talking about who 197 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: could get there in twenty twenty eight. If asked, we 198 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: will step up and we will move Heaven and Earth 199 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: to get to the Moon first. 200 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: When it comes sustainability and actually being on the moon, 201 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: you talk about the minerals that are on the moon, 202 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 3: what we can do. What is your thinking of the 203 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 3: possibilities and know people talk about. 204 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: Data centers in space. 205 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 3: I think Jeff Bezos wrote about that in high school, 206 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 3: so he was really a foresight for sure on his side. 207 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 3: What would be the next phase of this. 208 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 2: Well, in the near term, there are some incredibly strategic 209 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 2: places on the Moon. We now know at the p 210 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 2: there is water, and there are these points on the 211 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: Moon called eternal peaks of light where you get sunlight 212 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: for basically twenty four by seven lunar days or days 213 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: however you want to look at it. But there are 214 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: a few of those places, you know, many but not thousands, 215 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: where they're also very close to these valleys and these 216 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: caves where we know that there's water. 217 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,599 Speaker 1: And if you're going to build. 218 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: Moon Base one Alpha, where you want to do it 219 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: is next to these eternal peaks of light, so you 220 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: can get power from solar panels and that you can 221 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: harvest the water for both obviously human survival systems ecless systems, 222 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: but also for fuel for rockets. You know, are our 223 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: rocket that lands, are lander that lands on the Moon. 224 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: That engine uses hydrogen and oxygen from basic chemistry, you 225 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 2: should remember that's just water cracked and so we can 226 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 2: be able to be able to pull that, pull that 227 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: aside and make more fuel to return from the moon, 228 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: go to different places on the Moon. 229 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: So that's kind of phase one. 230 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: Find these unbelievably strategic locations, get permanence nearby of these locations, 231 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 2: and build habitats. Once you're there, then you can start 232 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: thinking about that as a lifting off point for all 233 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: sorts of other things. You can build data centers there, 234 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: you can build whole colonies there. 235 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: You can mine the moon. 236 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: As I said, we don't know everything that's on the Moon, 237 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: but it's been bombarded by asteroids for four point five 238 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: billion years. 239 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: Pretty much everything is likely to be there, as my. 240 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 2: Prediction, And so how do we utilize that and then 241 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: build manufacturing, build data inference in space? Those are all 242 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: great places to start from when you look at the Moon. 243 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 3: I was telling Mark Bezos earlier that I was one 244 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 3: of those skeptic journalists when everyone was going to space. 245 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 3: So you know, I've seen abject poverty around the world 246 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: traveling with my job, and I would. 247 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: Think, why are they going to space? We have so 248 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: much to. 249 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: Fix on Earth. But what you're describing is actually making 250 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 3: Earth better by going to space using all those resources. 251 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: You mentioned adversaries, How can you ensure that the US 252 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: is going to get there first? 253 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: Well, I think that might be a better question for 254 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: Jared and for the President, and but you know, we're 255 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: prepared to do everything we can, including our own investment, 256 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: to try to make that happen. 257 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: But I you know, I'm not going to candy coat it. 258 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: Our adversaries are investing incredibly into space, way more than 259 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: the United States is, even with all the private investment 260 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: that has come in from SpaceX and Jeff with Blue 261 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: and others. It's and so I you know, the if 262 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: you look at it from a defense perspective, forget about 263 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: the civil applications, which is more the moon, but just 264 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: the defense perspective. You know Sons who said it best 265 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: high ground matters, and you know in World War two 266 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: and post World War two, the you know, the skies 267 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: were high ground and having control of the sky was 268 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 2: really important. 269 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: Space is the new high ground. 270 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: And if we do not think about space as a 271 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: domain that we have mobility in, that we have awareness in, 272 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 2: then our adversaries could take that high ground. And I 273 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 2: you know, I'm a firm believer in freedom and democracy 274 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: and this republic that we live in and I do 275 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: believe that making sure you have good deterrence against your 276 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: adversary matters. And I think our job as a manufacturer 277 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: and a space provider is to give our war fighters, 278 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: to give our civil astronauts the best technology possibles.