1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 2: The frantic search for missing Maria, a twelve year old 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: little girl ends six hundred miles away with a thirty 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: four year old Guatemalan national. I means he Grace, this 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: is Crime Stories, thank you for being with us. 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: Twelve year old Georgia girl Maria Gomez Perez vanishes from 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 3: her home driveway. Now a desperate search ensues to bring 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: Maria home. 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: A little twelve. 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: Year old girl, Maria goes missing from her own home. 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: Her parents' fear she has been lured by a much 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: older man. What does that have to do with a 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: thirty four year old Guatemalan national? 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: Think about it. 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: Your twelve year old little girl goes from your own home. 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: Listen at this point, do you believe she's in danger? 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 4: Well, she's twelve years old and she's been going week 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 4: and a half, So that kind of answers your question. 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 4: You know, I mean, she's a child, and to be 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 4: gone that long's that's a serious issue. And you know, 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 4: so there's so many possibilities where she could be in 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 4: what could have happened to her, And so we're exploring 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 4: every single avenue that we possibly can. But yes, I 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 4: do consider her in danger very much. 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: So I don't understand the question post to l E 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: law enforcement is she in danger? Hgl yees, she's in danger. 27 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: I mean John Pezorro joining me, our CEO of raven 28 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: Forming New Jersey State Police Commander on Crimes against Children Internet, John. 29 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Somebody actually asked, do 30 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: you think she's in danger? Yes? 31 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: Yes, a little twelve year old girl is taken from 32 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: her home and signs take us to a thirty four 33 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: year old grown man. Yes, she's in danger. 34 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: Why would they even ask that? 35 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 5: I must as rhetorical. I have no idea. Of course 36 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 5: she's in danger, and that's what's happening today. You know, 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 5: just from an Internet based aspect, it doesn't matter the apps. 38 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 5: You know, we have offenders reaching out to children all 39 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 5: the time, and a twelve year old with an adult 40 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 5: who's unknown. Of course she's in danger. 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: A thirty four year old Guatemalan national. You're hearing from 42 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: John PaSoRi, but listen to this. 43 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 4: On Thursday, May thirtieth, twelve year old Maria Gomez Perez 44 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 4: was reported missing to our agency. That report set into 45 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 4: motion a large law enforcement and community effort to find Maria. 46 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 4: We are all doing everything within our power to bring 47 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 4: Maria home safe and sound. And make no mistake, the 48 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 4: men and women of the Sheriff's Office and numerous other 49 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 4: agencies have Maria's image burned in our hearts and into 50 00:02:58,800 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 4: our minds. 51 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: Almost immediately, her family fears she has been lured online. 52 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: We are talking about a twelve year old little girl. 53 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 4: Listen, she may have come in contact with someone that 54 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 4: she did make contact with to leave that day from 55 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 4: her house. Identifying that person and trying to find out 56 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 4: who that is and where they went. There's the key 57 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 4: to it. 58 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: Joining me right now, an all star panel to make 59 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: sense of what we know right now. But before I 60 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: go to investigative reporter Nora Amazon to Titania Jordan, chief 61 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: parent office with BART Parental Controls and author of Parenting 62 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: and a Tech World. 63 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: All right, just hearing that is scary parenting in a 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: tech world? Explain to me immediately. 65 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: Family was concerned that this twelve year old little girl 66 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: had been lured by somebody online. And you know, parents 67 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: think my child's not on filling the blank, TikTok, snat, 68 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: you name it. They get their hands on the internet, 69 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: whether it's on their phone, whether it's a friend's iPad, 70 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: whether they're playing a game online. 71 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: Like Minecraft, you can actually talk to the. 72 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: People that you're playing with online or at the school 73 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: or at the library. 74 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: To Tanya, they get online, they do, Nancy. 75 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 6: And the unfortunate part is that there are at least 76 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 6: five hundred thousand predators online at any time trying to 77 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 6: talk with, form relationships with, and lure our children. 78 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment, how do you know that? 79 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 2: To Tanya Jordan, to Tanya joining us from bark, how 80 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: do you know that as we speak right now, there 81 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: are at least half a million predators? And I don't 82 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: mean casually, like they've gotten their iPad up beside them 83 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: while they're watching murder, She wrote, I don't mean that 84 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: they are actively trolling, actively like a job trying to 85 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: find children. 86 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: How do you know that figure? At least a half 87 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: a million online right now? 88 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 6: At least it's based on data from the FBI. Our 89 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 6: fellow guest John Pizzerro can corroborate that with me. And 90 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 6: that's the known amount. There are so many more that 91 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 6: we don't know about. 92 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: The known amount? What about it, Bizzorro? Is she right? 93 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: At least five. 94 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: Hundred thousand right now as we're talking that are online 95 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: actively trolling. 96 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 5: There's one hundred thousand IP addresses right right now in 97 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 5: the United States that are actually trading known active images 98 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 5: with eight to thirteen victims each. So those are just 99 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 5: file sharing systems. So Titanya is right. I mean it's 100 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 5: at least five hundred thousand. 101 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm trying to figure this out. I think I 102 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: need a shrink. 103 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Gardier joining us BORDS, certified clinical Psychologist, Professor 104 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 2: at Turo College, America's psychologist and contributing author with Practical 105 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: Parenting The Cause. 106 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: Of Autism, Doctor Jeff Cardier. 107 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: Is great to have you with us tonight, Doctor Jeff, 108 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: How do we get my head around this? Because I 109 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: watch my children, the twins. 110 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: All the time? 111 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 2: What are you doing online online? Who are you talking to? 112 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: Who's on the phone, who are you playing? What's the 113 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: game where you build things on Minecraft? 114 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: Minecraft? Who are you playing Minecraft? With? All that? Because 115 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: I know that when. 116 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 2: They're playing these games online, they're playing with someone, and 117 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: I always insist it be somebody that they know in 118 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: real life, but I don't know they see it as 119 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: so innocent. Doctor Jeff that they may not always follow 120 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:43,679 Speaker 2: that rule. 121 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: That's right. 122 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 7: And the other thing that we know from that FBI 123 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 7: statistic the kids who tend to play these games are 124 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 7: very young. And so that statistic you just heard from 125 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 7: our guests, we can add to that that fifty percent 126 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 7: of the victims from that half million of those predators 127 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 7: are between the ages of twelve to fifteen. So we 128 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 7: have to be really careful with what our kids are playing. 129 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 7: So and part of that is blaming our youngsters for 130 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 7: being online and not understanding it doesn't matter who they're 131 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 7: talking to. 132 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: What they're doing. 133 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 7: They are victims. They are children, and these are adult 134 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 7: predators coming after them. 135 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: A thirty four year old Guatemalan national is in the 136 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: cross heres right now with missing Maria just twelve joining me. 137 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: A high profile criminal defense attorney. You've seen him in 138 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: the knees, Derek Smith, practicing out of the Ohio jurisdiction, 139 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: and you can find him at d Wsmithlegal dot com 140 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: now offense. But I hope I never need you, Derek Smith. 141 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: The progression that we have seen it has been very rapid. 142 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: In the past. 143 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: When there would be a let's just say a rape case, 144 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: the defense attorney not you, of course, because you're different. 145 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: Would say, oh, she's never met he's never met her. 146 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: This is completely bogus. Then, as it would turn out, 147 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: there'd be a witness spotting the two of them at 148 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: a restaurant or a bar, and then the defendant would go, oh, wait, yes, 149 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: now that I think about it, I did run into her. 150 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: Then the witness says, actually he followed her out, and 151 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: he says, oh, you know what, You're right, I'll offer 152 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: to walk her to her car, but that was it. 153 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: Then it turns out that, let's just. 154 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: Say, there's a DNA on her body. Then he goes, well, 155 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: now that you mention it, we did have consensual sex, 156 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: but she initiated it was totally consensual. I mean you 157 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: see the progression of the defense going. And somehow there's 158 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: blame on the victim. Okay, that scenario exists. But now, 159 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: believe it or not, Derek Smith, and I'm sure you've 160 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: seen it in court. 161 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: The victims, child victims, twelve year old girl? 162 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: What is that fifth grade is being shamed because they're 163 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: online that somehow it's their fault. 164 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: Are you seeing that in the modern day defenses? Oh? 165 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 8: I mean absolutely, Nancy, and you forgot one part too, 166 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 8: that they always claim they didn't know she was under age. 167 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 8: She said she was eighteen, showed her pictures of different people, 168 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 8: you know, whatever they can think of to conjure up 169 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 8: some kind of defense. And you know, maybe I'm a 170 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 8: little guilty that myself when I have to defend them. 171 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 8: But the truth is this internet crime has been skyrocketing 172 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 8: over the past decade and I don't see it getting 173 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 8: any better. I mean, I have, you know, eleven year 174 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 8: old myself, and I have to monitor everything online that 175 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 8: he does because of all the predators out there and 176 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 8: the things that I see in the core room. It's 177 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 8: a very frightening time in paracy to be diligent. They 178 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 8: need to be aware of what their children are doing 179 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 8: online because these predators will just come after them unbeknownst 180 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 8: to the children. 181 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: Well, and also it's a whole nother, a whole nother 182 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: phase of criminal defense because now you have to be 183 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: an internet expert and a computer tech expert. To John 184 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: Pizzorro joining us, the CEO of Raven former Task Force 185 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: relating to Internet crimes against children, John Bisorro, do people 186 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: the purpse not realize that when you text, write exchange photos. 187 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 2: We can get your IP Internet provider address. That's like 188 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: a computer fingerprint. Do they not get that? 189 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 5: Most of them don't, and thank god because that's how 190 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 5: we catch them. 191 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: Right. 192 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 5: So, I think from a technology standpoint, it's from their 193 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 5: screen name, from how they sign up. Look offenders, what 194 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 5: they'll do is they'll take steps, they'll use fake names. However, 195 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, they need an IP 196 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 5: address really to get on, so I think that's where 197 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 5: they don't understand. Sometimes. You know, some offenders a little 198 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 5: bit more complex than others. I don't want to give 199 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 5: away what some people can do, but you know there 200 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 5: are things to hide and mask your IP address. But 201 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 5: for the most part, offenders don't understand that technology. The 202 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 5: sophisticated ones do, and we'll take measures to do that, 203 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 5: but a lot of times it's complacency. All you need 204 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 5: to do is not do it once and that's where 205 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 5: law enforcement can use their own technology to find you. 206 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: Joining Me Now investigative reporter Naura almazan author, writer, editor 207 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: and reporter for it Now. Haversham Naura, thank you so 208 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: much for being with us in the last hours of 209 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: breaking news in the search for this little twelve year 210 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: old girl, Nora, how did she go? 211 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: Miss? What happened? 212 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 9: You have this little girl who has tons of time 213 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 9: on her hands because her dad is working in the 214 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 9: factory during the day, uncle is at night, and so 215 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 9: she has a lot of time to be on the 216 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 9: internet and apparently was communicating with a lot of different 217 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 9: men on the internet. Probably didn't know that their age 218 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 9: or anything like that, and they come and pick her up. 219 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: With me, is investigative reporter Nora Almazan. The image you 220 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 2: just conjured up is sickening. You've got a twelve year 221 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: old little girl at home. It's summer break, Dad's at work, 222 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: Uncle comes home in the evening. 223 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: Mom is not in. 224 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: The home, and there she is at home all day 225 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 2: playing online. 226 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: How often do we see that all the time? 227 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: She has no idea that these grown men are circling 228 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: her like wolves. 229 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 9: Absolutely, and that's exactly how it happened, because she's just 230 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 9: got time on her hands. And unfortunately, many of the 231 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 9: people in the Hispanic community don't understand that there's boys 232 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 9: and girls clubs and there are avenues that she could 233 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 9: have gone to. But she's at home by herself, on 234 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 9: the internet, and she's just open. 235 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 10: Pray at this point, do you believe she's in danger? 236 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 4: Well, she's twelve years old and she's been going week 237 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 4: and a halfs. I mean, she's a child, and to 238 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,479 Speaker 4: be gone that long, that's a serious issue. 239 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: Twelve year old Georgia girl Maria Gomez Perez vanishes from 240 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 3: her home driveway. Now a desperate search ensues to bring 241 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: Maria home. 242 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: I do consider her in danger very much so. 243 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 2: That rewards skyrocketing to fifty thousand dollars in the search 244 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: for twelve year old Maria. 245 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 4: Listen to this investigation as a termined that mister Augustin 246 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 4: drove from his home in Ohio to Gainesville and picked 247 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 4: up Maria on Wednesday, May the twenty ninth. They traveled 248 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 4: back to Ohio that same day and to our knowledge, 249 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 4: have been there ever since. 250 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: To Jeff a Guard Deer, renowned psychologist and professor at Truro, Jeff, 251 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: a thirty four year old man drives all the way 252 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 2: from Ohio to Georgia just to get a hold of 253 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: a kidnap a twelve year old little girl. 254 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: What is the thinking? 255 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 7: I think we're looking at a pure predator here, someone 256 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 7: who would do something so horrific and this isn't just 257 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 7: about possibly his carnal desire. This is about someone taking 258 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 7: some a girl, of a twelve year old girl, from 259 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 7: her home, from her family, from her father. 260 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff, did you just say this is not just 261 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: about carnal desire. 262 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I feel like I'm reading from the Old 263 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: Testament carnal desire in my world. You know what that means? 264 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: Child rape? That's what that means. 265 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: Is that what you're trying to say in your psychological terminology? Okay, 266 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: So he travels all the way from Ohio to Georgia, 267 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna let Derek Smith, he practices in Ohio, 268 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: figure out how. 269 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: Long we drive that six hundred miles? 270 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: So he drives six hundred miles, doctor Jeff Gardier, And 271 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: you say it's not for child sex. 272 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: What are they going to have a tea party when 273 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: he gets there? 274 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: No? 275 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 7: I certainly believe that, of course, that it is about 276 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 7: sexual exploitation in many, many different ways. But what I'm 277 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 7: also saying is what is so horrific about this, In 278 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 7: addition to this person being a predator, is not even 279 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 7: caring about the damage to this young girl emotionally and physically, 280 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 7: but also the damage to the family and to the community. 281 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 7: It's a very tight knit community. 282 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: You are essentially taking that pers Jeff, Yes, I just 283 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: want the girl to be alive. You're talking about the community. 284 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, can we please put the horse in front 285 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: of the cart. Okay, the girl is taken from her 286 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: home by a thirty four year old man. First, you 287 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: tell me it's not about cardinal desire. I a child sex. 288 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: Now you're talking about the community. Can we talk about 289 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: what's going through this perv's mind for six hundred miles 290 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: on his way to get. 291 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: A twelve year old little girl. He knews she was twelve. 292 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, and certainly I don't want to be misunderstood here, Nancy. 293 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 7: That is perhaps the primary, absolutely the primary reason in 294 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 7: my mind that he's going after her. But I'm talking 295 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 7: about not just the damage this will cause her for 296 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 7: the rest of her life, but the dread and the 297 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 7: fear and the anxiety and the loss to the family 298 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 7: not knowing where their daughter is. 299 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: Well, it's got to. 300 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: Be excruciating to Naura Almazon joining us, if 's to 301 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: get a reporter with now Habersham, Nura, I know that 302 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: the mom is not. 303 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: In a picture. 304 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 2: Dad works every single day, I believe six days a week. 305 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: The uncle comes in when the dad's not there to 306 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: watch after the little girl, and then they find out 307 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: she's gone. 308 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: Did she go missing from the driveway? Is that where 309 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: she was last seen? Exactly? 310 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 9: Yeah, the car pulled up, she got in it, and 311 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 9: I don't know if her expectations. We don't really know 312 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 9: yet what her expectations were of the person who was 313 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 9: picking her up. I can't believe that a twelve year 314 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 9: old would want to get in a car with a 315 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 9: thirty four year old man. So something had to be 316 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 9: different for her, and she had to have been afraid. 317 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 9: But she did get in the car and took off. 318 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: You know. 319 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: To Tania Jordan, let's follow up on what Noura is saying. 320 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: Very often in cases I've handled, and there have been 321 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: so many of them, and I'd like to get Derek Smith, 322 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: a veteran trial lawyer, to jump in on this as well. 323 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 2: To Tanya, very often, and we just saw this as 324 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 2: a matter of fact. In the Delphi double murder of 325 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 2: Abby and Libby, the two little girls that were walking 326 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: on the trestle bridge for about a minute, police were 327 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: looking at a guy that was posting online he looked 328 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: like a Justin Bieber looked alike. 329 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: He didn't look anything like that at all. 330 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: He was up in his thirties, just looked nothing like 331 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 2: this hot young guy that he was portraying himself to be. 332 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: And we see very often to Tanya the. 333 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 2: Purp acts like they're the age of the victim of 334 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: the target. 335 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: And they go online. 336 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: To Tanya and go, hey, I see that you've got 337 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 2: a picture of you in a soccer uniform. 338 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: I play soccer. Where do you play soccer? 339 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: In other words, where do you go to school? And 340 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: then they go, oh, is that far from your home? 341 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: Where do you live? And then they find out the 342 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: home address. It goes on and on and on. But 343 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: they hook the child by. 344 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: Pretending to be a child themselves, and they get a 345 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: hold of pictures and if the control room could pull 346 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: up the photo that was used in the del Fi 347 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: cases turned out not to be the killer, and the 348 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: photo that was used I believe was actually a cop, 349 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: a picture of a young cop from some other jurisdiction 350 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 2: had nothing to do. 351 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: With the case. So they use these photos they. 352 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: Get online of a young boy and that's who the 353 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: thanks they're talking to. 354 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, you have just described the grooming process that is 355 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 6: happening every single day with children across the nation. And 356 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 6: predators not only groom children via text. Now they can 357 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 6: use the filters that come into Instagram and TikTok and 358 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 6: other entities to turn them into young children in real time, 359 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 6: both photo based and video based. And I have tested them. 360 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 6: I have used them, and I have been able to 361 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 6: interact with predators in real time and it's stomach turning. 362 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: Okay, tell me what happened to Dagna. 363 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, So you know, pick your poison. In 364 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 6: some cases, I use TikTok because they have not only 365 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 6: a live video filter where I take my forty three 366 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 6: year old self and I can tweak the settings to 367 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 6: make me look, you know, thirteen to sixteen years old, 368 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 6: and so they think I'm a child. We start talking, 369 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 6: they ask me to meet up, and that's when I 370 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 6: call law enforcement. 371 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 3: Weeks pass and own no sign of little Maria Gomez Perez, 372 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 3: a twelve year old Georgia girl who disappeared from her 373 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 3: own home. Authorities began to look elsewhere, going as far 374 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 3: as Texas and Tennessee. 375 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: H profile lawyer Derek Smith from the Ohio jurisdiction joining 376 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 2: us right now that six hundred miles. 377 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: Think about it. 378 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: If you're in Core representing this guy, you're up the 379 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: creek without a paddle, Derek, Because think six hundred miles. 380 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: What is that ten hours if you're going sixty mph? 381 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: Ten hours to think about what you're doing, to think. 382 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: About the twelve year old little. 383 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: Girl at the end of your journey, all those hours 384 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: planning what he's going to do when he gets to 385 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 2: this little girl's home. 386 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 8: I hope that she's healthy and that she's okay, and 387 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 8: we'll wait to see what the evidence brings out as 388 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 8: far as any kind of possible defenses for this animal. 389 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: But guys, what was the break in the case? Listen? 390 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 4: The break in the case came last week when Maria 391 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: contacted her father via Facebook messenger. She had created a 392 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 4: new Facebook page so she could reach out to him 393 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 4: to tell him that she was okay and that she 394 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 4: was not coming home, and she also asked him to 395 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 4: stop looking for mister goatmez Alonzo told our investigators about 396 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 4: the message, and members of our Special Investigations Unit obtained 397 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 4: the IP address of the Facebook page and we're able 398 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 4: to find the phone number associated with that account. 399 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: It's amazing to me, with all of the information out 400 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 2: there regarding Maria going. 401 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: Missing, that no one noticed this guy. 402 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: Traveling ten hours plus with a twelve year old little girl. 403 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: Joining us in all Star panel to make sense of 404 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: what we're understanding right now. 405 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: To Nora Almazan, listen. 406 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 4: Marie was found yesterday in the company of a third 407 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 4: one year old man, Antonio Augustine. He's a Guatemalan native 408 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 4: and he had been living in northeastern Ohio. We believe 409 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 4: Maria had been communicating for a time with mister Augustin 410 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 4: via Facebook, Messenger and some other online apps. 411 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: To Naura Amazon, joining us from now Habersham, Naura again, 412 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. We now understand that 413 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: he's actually thirty four. 414 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: Where were they. 415 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: In a home, in an apartment, in a car in 416 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: at RV. 417 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: Where were they when she was found? 418 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 9: Well, you know, they had actually just been to a 419 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 9: swimming pool. So exactly to your question as to how 420 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 9: did people not notice, Well, you think about it, he 421 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 9: could easily be she could easily be his daughter. But 422 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 9: they located them in a shopping mall as they left 423 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 9: the swimming pool, so it wasn't like he just happened 424 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 9: to take her swimming that day. They had been out 425 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 9: in the community. And I love when it said safely located. Yes, 426 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 9: she was alive. 427 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: She was alive. 428 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: I'm glad you made that distinction, Nora, because when a child, 429 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 2: a twelve year old little girl, has been with a 430 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: thirty four year old man for that long, you don't 431 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 2: think he had sex with a child, which equals statutory rape. 432 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time taking that in. 433 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 2: I don't know that this child will ever be the 434 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 2: same again after that. 435 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: Listen to what we've learned. 436 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 4: They were able to track the phone to a residence 437 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 4: back in Dover, Ohio, and believing that this information was 438 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 4: a credible lead to Maria's location, we sent four investigators 439 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 4: from our Criminal Investigations Bureau to Dover this week. They 440 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 4: were able to track the phone to the Dover City 441 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,239 Speaker 4: swimming pool, where they made visual contact with Maria and 442 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 4: mister Augustin. 443 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: You know what that tells me? 444 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: To John Pizzuro, CEO of Raven and formerly with a 445 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: New Jersey Task Force on Internet Crimes against Children, John, 446 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: so often we hear, well, you just can't get those 447 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: records that takes a subpoena. 448 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah. 449 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: They were able to track the phone immediately to a 450 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: swimming pool and there they made. 451 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: Quote visual contact. 452 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: In other words, spotted the twelve year old little girl 453 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 2: with the thirty four year old Guatemalan national. I don't 454 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 2: know his status. I don't know if he's rightfully in 455 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: our country yet. I don't know if he's an illegal alien. 456 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: I don't know any of that yet, but I do 457 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: know he's a Guatemalan national. 458 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: So they got that. 459 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: Information and this is all stemming from an IP Internet 460 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 2: provider address. 461 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: They find out that he has been. 462 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: Targeting Maria online. They get the IP address, they get 463 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 2: his cell phone. He was probably using his phone to 464 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: communicate with Maria, So they get that cell number and 465 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: they immediately ping it to a swimming pool. 466 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: Just like that. 467 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 5: Law enforcement has that ability even with app companies. When 468 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 5: there's something ex you know, you kind of bypass the 469 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 5: actual process. Normally, it takes us a while from a 470 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 5: law enforcement perspective, to get information back, but when it's 471 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 5: exegent and someone's in danger, especially in this case, usually 472 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 5: they can get that information back very quickly. 473 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 2: And there's more They spot the little girl with the 474 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 2: thirty four year old man at a swimming pool, and then. 475 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 4: When the two got into a vehicle and traveled to 476 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 4: a nearby shopping center parking lot, our agents along with 477 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 4: members of the Tuscarrawis County Sheriff's Office, followed them. They 478 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 4: recovered Marie at the scene and mister Augustine was arrested. 479 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 4: Maria was taken to a local hospital for a wellness 480 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 4: check and as I said a moment ago, she will 481 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 4: be coming back home here to Gaineswelle. 482 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 3: Today, twelve year old Maria's father is desperate for answers 483 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 3: weeks after his daughter seemingly vanishes from their home. Then 484 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: a mysterious message pops up on his face Facebook page. 485 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: Take listen to what the Hall County Sheriff Gerald couch 486 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 2: I had to say. 487 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 4: I can't let this moment go but without imploring our parents, 488 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 4: grandparents and guardians to watch over their children very closely. 489 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 4: Technology is a wonderful thing. It helped us locate Maria, 490 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 4: but also technology can also be used for evil. It's 491 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 4: from Maria was able to lead game with a stranger 492 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 4: and traveled nine hours away from home. So please know 493 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 4: what your children are doing and who they're communicating with. 494 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 4: There are most vulnerable and our most valuable citizens, and 495 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 4: it's our duty to take care of them. 496 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: Just think about it. 497 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: To Tanya Jordan Titania joining us from Bark, which is 498 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: a highly highly sensitive app that you put on your 499 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: children's phones and devices and it alerts you on your 500 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: phone when it picks up any troubling words. And here's 501 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 2: a great example, which I've told before to Tanya. My son, 502 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: John Day David plays basketball and soccer. He made a 503 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 2: great save playing soccer, but he went through the net 504 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: diving and had a huge. 505 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: Bruise on his arm. 506 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: Of course, he was proud of the bruise and saving 507 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 2: you know, the goal, and he showed the bruise off 508 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: in a picture to some of his friends. I immediately 509 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 2: got an alert that said John David self harm. 510 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: My what he's six six any ways. 511 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: I don't know one hundred and eighty pounds self harm really, 512 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: and I went and saw what it was bragging about. 513 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: He saved the goal. 514 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: He was so happy, you know, he's proud. So that's 515 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: how sensitive Bark is. My point is, think about it. 516 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: After these communications with a grown man thirty. 517 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: Four years old. 518 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: She is then in the car with him nearly ten 519 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: hours and the whole time all this guy wants to do, 520 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: we believe, is at her home to have sex with 521 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: a twelve year old little girl. 522 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 6: It's so heartbreaking, it's stomach turning. Like I've said before, 523 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 6: you know, not only does Bark have an app, but 524 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 6: we also have a smartphone now and for families who 525 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 6: choose the Bark smartphone, you can see your child's live 526 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 6: location in real time. And so if this family had 527 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 6: had that, they might have been able to find her sooner. 528 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 6: Not only that, not only does Bark alert you to 529 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 6: self harm and violence, but it alerts you to predation. 530 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 6: Our algorithm detects the nuances of adults trying to groom children, 531 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 6: and we can alert you to those conversations before they 532 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 6: become kidnappings and murders. 533 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: Who is this thirty four year old guy, Listen Antonio Augustin, 534 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: Guatemala national in his early thirties, has been living in Dover, 535 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: Ohio for at least three years. 536 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: Ice has placed a hold on Augustine, but his immigration 537 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 3: status has not been confirmed. 538 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: Okay, daughter, Jeff Gardier, you see this guy, he's just 539 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 2: been busted with a twelve year old little girl. 540 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: He drove six hundred miles to get her, took her. 541 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 2: You heard Nora Almazan state, the car pulled up in 542 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: the driveway, she jumped in and left just like that. 543 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: Then he drives another ten hours back home and he 544 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: is busted. A thirty four year old Guatemala national with 545 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 2: a twelve year old little girl from Georgia. Why is 546 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: he smiling in his mugshot? 547 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 7: We see this, I've seen this before, and this is 548 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 7: someone who would fit the profile of being a very 549 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 7: depraved individual who doesn't care about what has happened with 550 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 7: this little girl. Maybe trying to put up a false 551 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 7: front that he is innocent and they were in some 552 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 7: sort of a consensual relationship, but it really does show 553 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 7: perhaps what is going on inside of this person's mind 554 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 7: that he does not care about the welfare of this youngster. 555 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: To Derek Smith, joining US veteran trial lawyer in that 556 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 2: jurisdiction of Ohio where the alleged child molester is found, 557 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: let me just go with alleged kidnapper for now, because 558 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 2: we know there's going to have to be a rape 559 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 2: kid and all sorts of forensic questioning investigation before any 560 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: further charges are brought. 561 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: To Derek Smith. 562 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it, because very often 563 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 2: I have one particular judge where we would do pre 564 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: trial negotiations with me, the prosecutor, the defense attorney, and 565 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 2: the perp in the room with the two of us, 566 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: and very often not always, of course, but I would 567 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 2: look at the perp and he would look perfectly normal, 568 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 2: Like I could see him walking beside me in the 569 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 2: grocery store, pulling up at a red light. You look 570 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: at this guy with that smile on his face, and 571 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: you might think, Okay, he's fine. 572 00:31:59,400 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: He's not. 573 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 8: Absolutely how can you be fine when you're thirty four 574 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 8: year old man taking a twelve year old from her father. 575 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 8: That's one thing. But when to the doctor's point talking 576 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 8: about how he's looking, he maybe thinks in his mind 577 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 8: that he was doing her a favor. She was unhappy 578 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 8: at home, she would didn't want to be there, and 579 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 8: he took her to a better life here in Ohio 580 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 8: and took her to the pool, took her shopping. 581 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm to a better life. 582 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 8: I'm throwing some ideas out there, Nancy. I'm trying to 583 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 8: think why in God's creation. 584 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: Would a man do just spitballing? Yeah, just kind of. 585 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: I mean, did you just say he did her a 586 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: favor in his mind? 587 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 8: I'm not saying they did that. He did that favor 588 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 8: to the father, or the family, or the community of Gainesville, 589 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 8: or the state of Ohio. He didn't do any of that. 590 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 8: But I'm hoping maybe that there was no nefarious activity 591 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 8: between the two. Maybe he just. 592 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: Wanted you mean, other than the kidnapped. 593 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 8: Other than that, of course, other than that. I'm just 594 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 8: hoping that the little girl was not violated sexually. 595 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: You mean raped? 596 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 8: Oh, yes, yes, that's what. 597 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 598 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 2: To Noura Almazon joining us from now Habersham. Look, you 599 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: can't blame Derek Smith, Okay, he's just the messenger. 600 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: He's stuck with the facts that this. 601 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 2: Client, this guy has given him nour Have there been 602 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 2: any additional charges, such as a statutory rate charge yet? 603 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: Yes, there has. 604 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 9: Actually he is not He was supposed to be brought 605 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 9: to Georgia and but he's going to be staying in Dover, 606 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 9: Ohio to face charges there. I know that he has 607 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 9: been charged with rape and other sexual crimes against Maria 608 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 9: and I just have to question, and I throw this 609 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 9: out there, but there I do not believe that this 610 00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 9: is his first time. 611 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: It couldn't be because. 612 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 9: He seemed to have been very smooth in getting Maria 613 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 9: to Dover, Ohio. And you just have to ask the question, 614 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 9: has he done this before? How many times? And what 615 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 9: happened to those children? In my opinion, well, you know. 616 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: John Pizorro joining us CEO of Raven John Forever. There 617 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 2: are all these statistics that show for every time a 618 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 2: child has been molested, the perp has molested oh gosh, 619 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: dozens and dozens of times before, but has never been 620 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 2: reported or caught. 621 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: So I think what Nora. 622 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 2: Amazon is saying has more than a grain of truth 623 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 2: to it. He didn't just come up with this idea overnight. 624 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 2: It seems very well rehearsed. 625 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 626 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 5: Absolutely, And what they do is it's not never one 627 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 5: victim like the Butler study for example, of people that 628 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 5: traded child sexually abuse material, fifty to eighty five percent 629 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 5: of them are hands on offenders with eight to thirteen 630 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 5: victims each. So it's never just one. And basically they 631 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 5: learn they get better at it. And I can't tell 632 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 5: you the amount offenders that we have arrested. It's never 633 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 5: just one victim. He just today just said, you know what, 634 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 5: I'm lucky young, and then start this today. There's always 635 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 5: a pattern, and it always happens to multiple victims. 636 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 11: She was kidnapped and held against your will for three 637 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 11: hundred and ninety nine days. He starved her, he tortured her, 638 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 11: He assaulted her in every way that you can imagine. 639 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 11: He kept her in a dog cage for days and 640 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 11: days at a time. He treated her. The way that 641 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 11: he treated her was inhuman. It is so hard for 642 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 11: me to even imagine the treatment that she received. 643 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 2: You're hearing Mom Shauna Burns talk about the kidnapped and the. 644 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: Torture of her team girl. Haley lived. 645 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 2: She lived through that ordeal, playing something like eighty five 646 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 2: eighty eight pounds by the time she was found barely 647 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 2: alive living in a dog age. She too had been 648 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 2: lured online. And she's not the only one. Now we 649 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 2: know that today's little girl, Maria just twelve. 650 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 1: Has lived. 651 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 2: Haley lived, but that's not true about another little girl, 652 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 2: Nicole Lovel. 653 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 5: You're David. 654 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 12: You are my crush, and I know you don't think 655 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 12: of me like that. But I don't care. I'll always 656 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 12: need here. If you're looking for a good time, I'm here. 657 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 12: When you had a bad day, I'm here. And I 658 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 12: don't want that to change. I want to be in 659 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 12: your life for as long as you can see me. 660 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 12: And I know I'm annoying and I ask for too much, 661 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 12: but I'm a girl and I have a hard and 662 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 12: feelings and my feelings get hurt a lot, but it's 663 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 12: never been hurt by you. 664 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: And I like that. 665 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 2: Oh my god, stars, this little girl little on Nicole level. 666 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 2: As I recall, she was twelve, just like Maria, and 667 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 2: hear you hear a letter that came out in court 668 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 2: that she wrote to her killer that she was having 669 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 2: a relationship with online David Eisenhower. He murdered her because 670 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 2: he did not want their sex relationship with this little 671 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 2: girl to become public. 672 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 13: Listen, investigators figured out that Nicole had regularly use the 673 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 13: app Kick that app allows teens to communicate anonymously so 674 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 13: their parents don't know. David Eisenhower lured this little girl 675 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 13: out of her home with promises of a quote secret 676 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 13: date and murdered her in cold blood because he was 677 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 13: apparently afraid that the relationship was going to be exposed 678 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 13: by this precious little girl. When the cool body was found, 679 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 13: she had fourteen stab wounds. One was to the neck 680 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 13: as confirmed by a medical expander. 681 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 2: That little girl on theic cole level lost her life. 682 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 2: She was murdered by her online predator. David Asenheiwer, You 683 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 2: were hearing investigative reporter Jennifer Sakowski reporting on that case. 684 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 2: Typically these cases do not have happy endings. In this case, 685 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 2: Maria is alive after nearly two months with a sex predator. 686 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 2: I don't know if this child will ever be the same. 687 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 2: To Nora Almazon joining us from now Habersham, you are 688 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,240 Speaker 2: advising the charges have just been upgraded to charges that are. 689 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: Felonies, including rape. 690 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 2: In this case it would be statutory rape in Mani 691 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 2: jurisdictions that carries a life sentence twenty to life. He 692 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 2: is charged with rape, now felony rape. 693 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 1: Correct, That is correct. 694 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 2: Yes, you know this guy may be charged and Maria, 695 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 2: God in Heaven, is alive. But I can tell you 696 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 2: this from all the years I've worked with victims of 697 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 2: child rape and molestation. They go on, they go on 698 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 2: in life, but they are never the same. We wait 699 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 2: as justice unfolds, and we remember an American hero. Police 700 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 2: officer Jessica Ebausen, just nineteen, struck and killed by a 701 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 2: suspect vehicle in the line of duty. This young officer 702 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 2: survived by parents Chad and Lisa, boyfriend Nash gone so soon. 703 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 2: American hero dead in the line of duty, Officer Jessica Abakhausen. 704 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 2: Thank you to our guests for being with us. The 705 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,879 Speaker 2: warning goes out to parents about internet predators. 706 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: Maria is alive, but the next little girl or a 707 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: boy may not be. 708 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.