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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. Shane Bak
Speaker 1: and Marty Jertsen. We're in the Ping truck. Always excited
Speaker 1: to be back, and we're with a man that does
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of work week to week. Shane
Speaker 1: Knight's with us, of course, the caddy for Victor Howlin Shae. Recently,
Speaker 1: you were a part of of one of the great
Speaker 1: final rounds, one of the great final nine holes that
Speaker 1: we've ever seen, when Victor tore part Olympia Fields. Is
Speaker 1: that the best golf you've ever seen? Is that the
Speaker 1: best golf you've been a part of.
Speaker 3: It was like playing a video game.
Speaker 4: It was unbelievable to be a first hand witness of that,
Speaker 4: you know, standing up by the bag and just experiencing,
Speaker 4: you know what he went through and you know the
Speaker 4: shot city.
Speaker 3: It was remarkable.
Speaker 2: I think whenever there's like a round like that. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Victor hit tons of incredible shots, very very straight, but
Speaker 2: you also have to get lucky a little bit. What
Speaker 2: were a few things there in that final round around
Speaker 2: that back nine where you know maybe the luck went
Speaker 2: his way?
Speaker 4: Well, definitely fourteen, You know with that lie that he
Speaker 4: had should chip the driver off the tea and just
Speaker 4: missed it in the left rough and you know the
Speaker 4: grain was going with us, but you know there's a
Speaker 4: toft of grass behind the ball and you know nine nine.
Speaker 3: Couldn't get there.
Speaker 4: He had to hit the ad iron but it had
Speaker 4: to come out perfectly, and you know obviously it did
Speaker 4: and you know, knocked it to a foot.
Speaker 3: Make berdie from there was incredible.
Speaker 2: Shit. What's that? What's that conversation like between you and
Speaker 2: Victor on that lie? Because I remember watching on TV
Speaker 2: and they had you guys miked up at Memorial was in.
Speaker 3: The playoff, in the playoff.
Speaker 2: And the t shot ended up right there on the
Speaker 2: edge of the rough and the fair way too.
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 2: How? What is your contribution in talking through the shot
Speaker 2: selection there with Victor and.
Speaker 4: More, you know, just giving him reassurance, you know, especially
Speaker 4: Memorial when obviously long's no good, but you know, to
Speaker 4: hit the wedge the way he did. You know, we
Speaker 4: thought it was going to come out hot, and it
Speaker 4: kind of did. It needed to to get to cover
Speaker 4: that bunker. But yesterday on fourteen, we knew nine nine
Speaker 4: couldn't get there, and we knew that there was a
Speaker 4: false front and was going to come all the way
Speaker 4: back down. So he had to take the shot on
Speaker 4: and he did, being the aggressive player that he is,
Speaker 4: and you know, obviously he pulled it off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shay, what has the last year been like in
Speaker 1: terms of the development of Victor Harvin Because you kind
Speaker 1: of go back to the Open last year. Of course
Speaker 1: he was in the final group with Rory on Sunday,
Speaker 1: think about the PGA Championship this year. But I mean,
Speaker 1: he's on a run. He's not missing cuts, he's playing
Speaker 1: very consistent golf. The pitching and chipping has improved a lot.
Speaker 1: It feels like the complete game is there. But what
Speaker 1: has it been like mentally for him over the last
Speaker 1: year to kind of take this next step?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the hardest part because you know, when
Speaker 4: you start playing better, your expectations get higher, so you
Speaker 4: put more pressure on yourself and you know, it's trying
Speaker 4: to manage that try to you know, have a slice reality,
Speaker 4: so to speak, in terms of you know, not being
Speaker 4: able to play perfect golf and accepting that and understanding that,
Speaker 4: you know, golfs.
Speaker 3: Are fall for a reason.
Speaker 4: So you know, for him to go out and you know,
Speaker 4: the consistency that he's showing, you know, week in week
Speaker 4: out this year has been you know, it's been spectacular.
Speaker 1: Going back to Saint Andrews and then you think about
Speaker 1: oak Kill and I mean, he played excellent golf at
Speaker 1: oak Hill really until the bunker shot was that on
Speaker 1: sixteen sixteen? So what was Victor like going to the
Speaker 1: final round at Saint Andrews Because I mean he hit
Speaker 1: it close on one, he mister short birdie putt and
Speaker 1: didn't really factor in that Sunday versus going to that
Speaker 1: PGA Championship playing alongside another heavy hitter on that Sunday.
Speaker 1: What was Victor like at the PGA this year versus
Speaker 1: maybe the Open last year.
Speaker 4: It's funny because whenever Victor gets off to a good start,
Speaker 4: you know, he always takes that momentum forward. Whereas when
Speaker 4: he gets off to a shaky start, he missed a
Speaker 4: couple of puts early.
Speaker 3: That's when you know, you're thinking.
Speaker 4: You know, is is he going to change the momentum
Speaker 4: or is it going to continue the same. And you
Speaker 4: know that was the difference between the Open and the PGA,
Speaker 4: because you know, the Open, as you said, he missed
Speaker 4: a couple of short puts early and PGA a couple
Speaker 4: of short parts earlier and he took the momentum moving forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like I just it's so fun to
Speaker 2: watch Victor making a lot of birdies on tough golf
Speaker 2: courses against the strongest fields. I mean, I tell us
Speaker 2: a little bit about it. I think at Augusta this
Speaker 2: year he made five birdies in a row. What are
Speaker 2: those stretches? Like? Like, what are you guys talking more?
Speaker 2: Talking less? Is he just in the zone? What's it
Speaker 2: like when he's on a heater like he's like like
Speaker 2: he was a few weeks ago into Augusta.
Speaker 4: As we all know, Like you know, he's an unbelievable
Speaker 4: ball striking. He drives the ball extremely well and he's
Speaker 4: irons when it's on. You know, he hits fades so
Speaker 4: he has full control over the ball, knowing that the
Speaker 4: ball was going to get left to right, and that's
Speaker 4: why he can be so aggressive, so you know, if
Speaker 4: he can control his distance, and especially around Augusta, you know,
Speaker 4: that's extremely important around there to be able to do that.
Speaker 4: So you know, that's the most important thing for him.
Speaker 4: And you know when he's on, he's just got no fear.
Speaker 4: He's just such an aggressive player.
Speaker 1: Did you get introduced to Victor and going through your
Speaker 1: career and kind of looking at along some of the
Speaker 1: players that you've kind of teamed up with over the years,
Speaker 1: what is it like taking maybe a flyer on a
Speaker 1: young player even though he's obviously was a great young
Speaker 1: player and had come off that us.
Speaker 4: Am went, yeah, for sure, Like you know, I was
Speaker 4: working for Shawn a Hab you know, it was four
Speaker 4: and a half years ago now, and he he got injured,
Speaker 4: and you know, I was pretty much looking for work,
Speaker 4: being a little freelancer, you know, cutting for odds and
Speaker 4: ends here.
Speaker 1: When you're looking for work as a caddy, I mean,
Speaker 1: is it are you kind of letting other caddies know, like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm available, Like I'm I'm I'm golf tender if anybody
Speaker 1: wants to.
Speaker 3: I wish it was like that. You know, it's like
Speaker 3: a fraternity out here. It really is.
Speaker 4: Everyone knows, you know, who's looking, who's you know, who
Speaker 4: got fired, who you know, who's whatever it is is
Speaker 4: injured exactly. So Joe Scovern, who's a good friend of mine,
Speaker 4: he worked for Ricky Fowler for a long time. Sam McNaughton,
Speaker 4: who is Ricky's agent, and he's obviously Victor's agent as well,
Speaker 4: so you know, that's how the team came along. And yeah,
Speaker 4: Sam called me up and asked if I'd be interested
Speaker 4: in trying it out for this with this young kid,
Speaker 4: you know, obviously he won the US Amateur and so
Speaker 4: I flew out the Steelwater. You know, I wanted to
Speaker 4: introduce myself beforehand because we met in Mexico a couple
Speaker 4: of years prior, where I just you know, because he
Speaker 4: was going to Australia for the Australian Open and I'm
Speaker 4: obviously from Australia and he was playing in Sydney, so
Speaker 4: we're just talking about that. But that was the first
Speaker 4: time that I actually spoke to him, and yeah, so
Speaker 4: I flew to Steelwater, had breakfast with him, and just
Speaker 4: to hang out and make sure you know, there was
Speaker 4: a bond there, you know, because you pretty much know
Speaker 4: straight away whether you're going to get on or night,
Speaker 4: and yeah, it just went from there and you know,
Speaker 4: obviously we started the Travelers and yeah, the rest is history.
Speaker 3: It's been unbelievable, right the last four years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Victor's game is a volve. Obviously came out as
Speaker 2: a superstars ball striking. Even when he played in the
Speaker 2: US Open as an amateur, like.
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen nineteen at.
Speaker 2: Pebble, he either led the field, is very close to
Speaker 2: leading the field and strokes game ball striking. What what
Speaker 2: has it been like seeing other parts of his game
Speaker 2: you mentioned short game evolve in these in these four years,
Speaker 2: which parts of his games have been fun for you
Speaker 2: to watch kind of improve?
Speaker 4: It's been an interesting ride because you know, he's obviously
Speaker 4: a cutter of the golf ball. You know, with the
Speaker 4: way he he's wrist angles, et cetera. He cuts the ball.
Speaker 4: And you know, he went down a stage where he
Speaker 4: tried to hit the draws, try and get the numbers
Speaker 4: more closer to zero from a TrackMan perspective, yep, and
Speaker 4: you know it's difficult for him to do. So we
Speaker 4: went down that road and now he's back to hitting
Speaker 4: the cuts and back to knowing where the ball is
Speaker 4: going to go, and you know, like you said, with
Speaker 4: the chipping and pitching, you know, Joe Mayo has done
Speaker 4: an amazing job helping him with that to make him
Speaker 4: more of a complete player, which is where he's at now.
Speaker 1: When you talk about being a cutter of the gobbel,
Speaker 1: which is a lot of the modern players, a lot
Speaker 1: of the players obviously moved the ball left or right.
Speaker 1: You get on the tee at thirteen at Augusta, what
Speaker 1: are you saying to Victor when you know the ball's
Speaker 1: got to go the other way, maybe an uncomfortable direction
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 4: Well, it's actually a lot easier now because you know
Speaker 4: they right with the tea box is probably let's.
Speaker 1: Say, the up to let's say last year's tea at
Speaker 1: the Masters. What are you saying to Victor when you
Speaker 1: know that ball's got to go the way he doesn't
Speaker 1: like to see it go.
Speaker 3: Well, it's three wood.
Speaker 4: All day, Okay, Yeah, So it's not Driver because Driver
Speaker 4: is so narrow it brings the right pines into play.
Speaker 3: And you know, we know very well what.
Speaker 4: It's like over there, unless you Phil Mickelson Jordan exactly.
Speaker 4: But no, it's just you know, he tends to hit
Speaker 4: that three withood a lot straighter, especially when the winds
Speaker 4: out of the left. That's why he finds it difficult
Speaker 4: with the driver when the wind's out of the left.
Speaker 4: So it's most of the time it's threewood off the
Speaker 4: tee and just get it in play, and yeah, go
Speaker 4: from there.
Speaker 2: Say what's been what's been one of maybe your biggest
Speaker 2: regrets as a caddy right now, maybe even with Victor
Speaker 2: or any of your players, And a regret could be
Speaker 2: maybe you know, advising on the you know the distance,
Speaker 2: the win, reading the lyron, some of that nature.
Speaker 1: What's the worst time you've done your job? What's like
Speaker 1: the worst part the worst job you've ever done as
Speaker 1: a caddy?
Speaker 3: I remember this is one.
Speaker 4: This is way back, but I remember cutting for Shauna
Speaker 4: Hair and he was We're at the Scarlet Golf Course
Speaker 4: in Ohio and we're playing with the Web finals and
Speaker 4: he's playing extremely well.
Speaker 3: He's in the third round.
Speaker 4: I think he's coming fifth, and he missed the first
Speaker 4: two cuts to two weeks prior, so he's got to
Speaker 4: play well this week to get his job back on
Speaker 4: the PGA Tour. And we get up on number ten, eleven.
Speaker 4: We get up on number twelve. The part five you
Speaker 4: know makes Berdie run to thirteen. He's team off first,
Speaker 4: running up, getting the yardage. Give him the yardage, you know,
Speaker 4: hit six nine flushes it posing on it straight over
Speaker 4: the green and he looks at me and straight away
Speaker 4: I look back and they moved the tee and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I look back and I'm like, I just put my
Speaker 4: head down. I'm like, I'm so sorry. And him, to
Speaker 4: his credit, he's an unbelievable guy. And I'm walking down
Speaker 4: the down the hill and I was just so upset
Speaker 4: with myself, like I just unimaginable. And he gets up
Speaker 4: there and he gets his wedge. He taps me on
Speaker 4: the back of the leg. He goes, Shay, I got you.
Speaker 4: It's an unbelievable flop shot to like three feet holds
Speaker 4: apart for par Wow. And I'm like, Sean, thank you.
Speaker 4: That was That was the one moment where I wish
Speaker 4: I could take back.
Speaker 2: But obviously, oh that's an incredible story.
Speaker 3: Shae.
Speaker 1: What's your journey been like to get to this position?
Speaker 1: Can you walk us through maybe your career as a
Speaker 1: caddy and really your career throughout golf yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: You know, I play golf my whole life. You know,
Speaker 3: I love the game.
Speaker 4: Played a lot of golf back in Australia, a lot
Speaker 4: of amateur events, never turned professional.
Speaker 3: Really was good enough.
Speaker 4: I wasn't long enough, had an unbelieable short game, but
Speaker 4: you know, just knew in my heart that I didn't
Speaker 4: have it. And you know I lived in Sydney and
Speaker 4: I played with Matt Jones. We're members of the Steam
Speaker 4: Golf Course, this Ruling Golf Club in Sydney, and you
Speaker 4: know we're good friends. We always play golf together, traveled together.
Speaker 4: We drove to Adelaide them back.
Speaker 3: Which was that was an interesting drive.
Speaker 4: That car stunk by the by the end of the
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, drive it through Adelaide. But yeah, no,
Speaker 4: and yeah, he went to a s u and and
Speaker 4: then went on the he was on the court, well
Speaker 4: the what was it called back in the day, and
Speaker 4: he just couldn't get his card and he said, you know,
Speaker 4: I want you to come over and caddy for me.
Speaker 4: And I was landscaping, landscaping back home and you know,
Speaker 4: finished my course and I love being outside, so you know,
Speaker 4: I was doing that and I'm like, okay, I'll take
Speaker 4: a chance. So it came over. Lived together, traveled together,
Speaker 4: worked together. You know, we were in each other's pockets
Speaker 4: and by the end of it it was like I
Speaker 4: wanted to kill him, but he got his tour Cardney
Speaker 4: and I went back home and didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 3: And he's like, show, I want you to come back,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, I'll come back, but you're going
Speaker 3: to do your thing. I'm going to do my thing.
Speaker 3: We're going to meet in the middle like.
Speaker 4: Normal player caddy relationship does. And yeah, worked with him
Speaker 4: for five and a half years, had a great time,
Speaker 4: and you know, I moved on from there, worked for
Speaker 4: Martin lad Scottish guy, worked with him for a couple
Speaker 4: of years.
Speaker 1: Only the only Scottish golfer that hits it higher than
Speaker 1: anybody on tour. By the way, Yes, it's incredible to
Speaker 1: watch thee I knock it down and cuts it more.
Speaker 3: Than Yes, exactly, Yeah, he cuts it more than Victor.
Speaker 3: For shocking to see.
Speaker 1: I thought Scottish golfers hit.
Speaker 4: It well, yeah, no, it's it launches straight at the end,
Speaker 4: these big cuts like he uses the whole fairway, that's
Speaker 4: for sure. But yeah, worked for him for two years
Speaker 4: and then I got fired from him and Sean O'Hare
Speaker 4: was available. Work with Sean for five years, and yeah,
Speaker 4: now I'm with Victors. So it's been an unbelievable ride.
Speaker 4: It's gone so fast. I still can't believe I've been
Speaker 4: on tour for sixteen years.
Speaker 3: I just can't.
Speaker 4: Although the Grays probably showed that sheep yesterday, but I
Speaker 4: was gonna. I was going to shave last night. But
Speaker 4: I said to Victor, I'm like, it's a good luck charm.
Speaker 3: I can't do it.
Speaker 1: When when when Victor wins, you know, he does all
Speaker 1: the press, he does all the media, he has to interviews.
Speaker 1: I mean, people don't understand how long that evening is.
Speaker 1: If you win a big golf tournament. Do you guys
Speaker 1: meet up at any point on the back end of that,
Speaker 1: like go have a beer or go hang out or
Speaker 1: do anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like anyone.
Speaker 4: You know the BMW, we were there and we were
Speaker 4: just waiting for him, obviously, did you know, all his
Speaker 4: media and he had to sign what felt like a
Speaker 4: hundred flags, et cetera. So I'm sure his hand was
Speaker 4: sore after that. But you know what, the way they
Speaker 4: treated us at the BMW was just first class.
Speaker 3: We had BMW.
Speaker 4: Courtesy cars, we had food available at I suppose it
Speaker 4: was like beyond first class. So yeah, after the round,
Speaker 4: the gentleman who was serving us all week said, you know,
Speaker 4: can we get you any food. I'm like, well, you know,
Speaker 4: a nice steak would be nice. They brought out three
Speaker 4: steaks salad waiting for Hobby to come back, and you know,
Speaker 4: so we all ate together and then he's like, oh,
Speaker 4: do you want some dessert and.
Speaker 3: I'm like, ahn, no, no, I'm good.
Speaker 4: And they're going to make these guinness. It's a Guinness
Speaker 4: with ice cream in it. I'm like that sounds disgusting.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so we said no to that.
Speaker 4: So the chef ended up bringing out these brownie homemade
Speaker 4: brownie with this chocolate ice cream cherry in it, and
Speaker 4: I'm like it was just like I had a couple
Speaker 4: of scoops, but yeah, the the ice cream doesn't usually
Speaker 4: handle the stomach too well, so I only had a
Speaker 4: couple of bites.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2: That sounds incredible. Now, Shure, what's your what's your favorite
Speaker 2: course to caddy at throughout the year, like or top
Speaker 2: two or three.
Speaker 3: By far Pebble Beach.
Speaker 4: Okay, I love Pebble even though it's you know, we
Speaker 4: usually play with amateurs and usually miserable weather. But just
Speaker 4: just the view out there. I love that scenery. You
Speaker 4: know when you get on seven, eight nine, it's just
Speaker 4: you know, you stand there and you're Amatea's are letting
Speaker 4: it fly left and right. I'm just looking out of
Speaker 4: the ocean, you know. Maoi's nice as well. That's another one,
Speaker 4: and obviously Augusta. But Augusta is it's like a love
Speaker 4: hate relationship because it's so stressful because you know everyone
Speaker 4: wants to win Augusta and you go there, it's like
Speaker 4: the holy Grail of golf. It's in immaculate condition and
Speaker 4: you know, walking on those on those fields is like,
Speaker 4: you know, being in Heaven. To be honest with you,
Speaker 4: I'd like my ashes to be on Amen corner when
Speaker 4: I die, watch watch the cartage come in.
Speaker 3: But a yeah, those three courts would probably be my three.
Speaker 1: What's it? Obviously we're in the ping tour truck. What's
Speaker 1: it like having something like this available week to week
Speaker 1: for you when you need to come tweak something for
Speaker 1: Victor or he wants a new club We talked a
Speaker 1: lot this year about the seven Woody threw in the
Speaker 1: bag at the Master talking about Augusta, Nashville. That was
Speaker 1: really for two shots the entire day, So really, what
Speaker 1: was that eight shots for the week. He's basically putting
Speaker 1: a new golf club in. What's it like having this
Speaker 1: truck available at your disposal?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't really do my cheese, not many kicks,
Speaker 3: especially kidding.
Speaker 4: No, it's obviously amazing to have that at Victor's disposal
Speaker 4: whenever you need it, you know, whatever it is, whether
Speaker 4: you need Tea's or I need a new hat, you
Speaker 4: sweat through it.
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, it's once again first class.
Speaker 1: What's he particular about, because we've talked to a few
Speaker 1: players about you know, they want to see the loft,
Speaker 1: they want to see the bend, they want to make
Speaker 1: sure everything's regripped week to week. What's something that Victor's
Speaker 1: particular about, either within his bag or in his bag.
Speaker 4: He's not very particular with grips, et cetera. But you know,
Speaker 4: just trying to doal in those numbers, you know, because
Speaker 4: you need to be so precise with your distance control,
Speaker 4: you know, on the PGA tour because you just can't
Speaker 4: play from long.
Speaker 2: So you you guys, Victor plays in meters, tell us
Speaker 2: how that works out here? Is it? Is he one
Speaker 2: of the only players that does that. Do they make
Speaker 2: a separate book? Do do you get a separate book
Speaker 2: or do you do conversions? No?
Speaker 3: No, Well it's funny because you know, when we're all
Speaker 3: the corn.
Speaker 4: Ferry, we had just yardage books those finals, and I
Speaker 4: had to convert both books from yards to meters.
Speaker 3: But now I'm lucky enough with.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it's like two hours of torture your
Speaker 4: heads unbelievably sold by the end of it. But nowadays
Speaker 4: it's on the PGA tour. Yeah, they do meters books.
Speaker 4: There's probably half a dozen guys that working meters as well.
Speaker 4: I worked in meters when I was younger, you know,
Speaker 4: always played in meters, so you know, it's easier for
Speaker 4: me to get my head around it, whereas you know,
Speaker 4: working in yards was a little bit more difficult for me.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's been a great transition for me.
Speaker 3: Shay.
Speaker 1: We watch Victor week to week on the tour, and
Speaker 1: fans of his see this happy you look at lucky
Speaker 1: young kid that's always smiling, and he always looks like
Speaker 1: he's just in a good mood. What's something about Victor
Speaker 1: either within the ropes aroundside of the ropes that maybe
Speaker 1: we don't know about him, or maybe fuels him, or
Speaker 1: there's that fire inside of him that we don't see
Speaker 1: kind of through the Victor smile.
Speaker 4: Well, I think you say, you know, with his bulldog mentality,
Speaker 4: like you know, for him to go out yesterday and
Speaker 4: do what he did, you know, you need to have
Speaker 4: that fire in the belly to you know, shoot that
Speaker 4: score and have no fear. And you know for him
Speaker 4: to do that, you know, not every player can do that,
Speaker 4: and that's what makes him a champion that he is.
Speaker 1: We talked about the seven would at augusta National. You're looping,
Speaker 1: you've got your bag set, you know what clubs go,
Speaker 1: distance wise, whatever. When Victor comes to you and goes, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm putting this club in for two shots a day,
Speaker 1: what does that do to your calculations or what you're
Speaker 1: putting down in your notes? Knowing, Okay, so we're hit
Speaker 1: this on thirteen and fifteen, and that's kind of hit.
Speaker 4: Well, that's especially fifty because it's if you're just a
Speaker 4: little bit off. Whether it's short or long. You are
Speaker 4: you're a screen. Yeah, you got nothing. So it's very
Speaker 4: tough to pull the club. But you know that's what
Speaker 4: we do. So you know, you live and die by
Speaker 4: the sword, and you know it is what it is.
Speaker 4: He accepted to move on.
Speaker 1: How best do you disagree with them on the golf course?
Speaker 1: How do you go about a disagreement when maybe you
Speaker 1: either don't think it's the club, you don't think it's
Speaker 1: the shot, you don't think it's going to come out
Speaker 1: of that lie. How do you approach that without selling negative?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's his decision.
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm going to give my opinion and
Speaker 4: I'm going to try to convince him that it's my
Speaker 4: what I think.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's his decision.
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes he listens, sometimes he doesn't, and you
Speaker 4: know that's that's why he's got his name on the
Speaker 4: bag and that's why he's you know, top five player
Speaker 4: in the world. So you know there's times when like
Speaker 4: perfect example was BMW when we're there at number three
Speaker 4: and you know he's got nine nine out, he's got
Speaker 4: one hundred and forty three meters and the wind's hurting
Speaker 4: out of the left, and I'm always thinking where the
Speaker 4: wind is, what it's doing, and you know it's meant
Speaker 4: to be hurting out of the left, but I feel
Speaker 4: it straight out of the left, So I'll pull him
Speaker 4: off the shot.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Hobby, it's.
Speaker 4: Too much club and once again like you know, he
Speaker 4: can take it or leave it. But in this situation,
Speaker 4: he took the advice, went back to a wedge, and
Speaker 4: he was Pinnie made Birdie. So so you know, sometimes
Speaker 4: it works out, sometimes it doesn't. It just all depends
Speaker 4: on what he's singing at the time, I suppose.
Speaker 2: So how do you how do you judge the wind?
Speaker 2: Did you take notes based on the forecast and then
Speaker 2: adjusts when you're out on the course or what what
Speaker 2: indicators are you using to judge the wind, surface wind?
Speaker 2: Are you looking at trees? Are you looking at flags?
Speaker 2: What is that process?
Speaker 4: That's a really good question because you know, obviously the
Speaker 4: wind can change all the time, and I always hate
Speaker 4: to see light and variable because I'd got to be
Speaker 4: blowing ten to fifteen out of the you know, whatever direction.
Speaker 4: Because you know, to start with, you you're looking at
Speaker 4: weather maps and you're trying to work out. You know,
Speaker 4: say it's coming out of the northeast. It says northeast
Speaker 4: all day, but then you look on the tour's got
Speaker 4: their hourly forecast, and sometimes it says light and variable
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh my gosh. So you know when
Speaker 4: you see like variable, you know that it's all over
Speaker 4: the shop, and you know, I'm constantly paying attention to
Speaker 4: the trees, paying attention to the clouds. You know, even
Speaker 4: though that's extremely high, but you know a lot of
Speaker 4: times I'm paying attention to the trees, and you know,
Speaker 4: more feeling that you know with the you know, when
Speaker 4: you're out on the ground, you know, if it's turning
Speaker 4: out of the left and you kind of feel it
Speaker 4: coming off your more off your left, then yeah, your
Speaker 4: intuition kind of pays off.
Speaker 2: What hales have had traditionally, like maybe some confusing or
Speaker 2: very challenging wind is twelve at Augusta. One yes, yes,
Speaker 2: you're one way after twelve.
Speaker 4: Thirteen, fifteen, sixteen, like yeah, six, take a pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the hardest thing about Augusta.
Speaker 4: You know, people don't understand that, you know, with those trees,
Speaker 4: the pine trees, the wind always swells through the trees
Speaker 4: and you can get up there and you can be
Speaker 4: playing straight down on eleven, and then you get on
Speaker 4: the t on twelve and you feel like it's hurting out.
Speaker 3: Of the right.
Speaker 4: But what it does is it goes through the pines
Speaker 4: and comes back and it's just so difficult, but you know,
Speaker 4: you just got to commit to the shot and hopefully
Speaker 4: it pays off.
Speaker 1: Shay, what's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday like for you week to
Speaker 1: week on tour? What are you doing Monday? What are
Speaker 1: you doing Tuesday? Obviously Wednesday a lot of the weeks
Speaker 1: or pro m days, but what is your process like
Speaker 1: maybe those first couple of days weeks week.
Speaker 4: Usually Monday's always just walking the golf course by yourself. Yes,
Speaker 4: I love to walk the golf course by myself, just
Speaker 4: doing it on my own. If I'm walking with a
Speaker 4: couple of caddies, and I'll do that as well. But
Speaker 4: you know, I love getting my prep work in. I
Speaker 4: pride myself on, you know, being really diligent with all
Speaker 4: the information that I need for Victor whenever he needs it.
Speaker 4: Tuesdays is usually nine holes. Hovey gets out here, you know,
Speaker 4: around I don't know eleven. Ish's a he's not an
Speaker 4: early bird, and which is great for me because I
Speaker 4: can come out and you know, if I need anything
Speaker 4: else out on the golf course, I can do it.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 4: Wednesday's usually a pro am, although you know in Atlanta
Speaker 4: there's no proram, which is which is nice. But yeah, no,
Speaker 4: it's it's usually just prep work and you know, just
Speaker 4: dialing the numbers and hopefully you know he's ready to
Speaker 4: go on Thursday.
Speaker 1: What's what's bagweight of Victor's bag right now? I mean
Speaker 1: too much?
Speaker 3: Too little?
Speaker 1: Like where we at?
Speaker 3: That fluctuates, Okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends on on the conditions, Like you know,
Speaker 4: the British Open when we had everything under the sun.
Speaker 4: We've we've always got a lot of food in there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, British Light and variable.
Speaker 4: British Open was like sixty pounds, whereas you know sometimes
Speaker 4: there's forty five pounds.
Speaker 1: So who has the heaviest bag on tour? Is there
Speaker 1: somebody that's bag stands out as the heaviest by far well.
Speaker 3: And Bryson Chambeau was on tour. Yeah, he was probably
Speaker 3: the most. Yeah, the bag.
Speaker 1: The snacks are heavy snacks. We're working with it. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't think people totally always understand this. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have snacks in there too, you got to carry
Speaker 1: it back for five hours?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure. You know, I don't have as
Speaker 3: many snacks in there for me. They're usually in there
Speaker 3: for him. Yep.
Speaker 4: I'm usually you know, have a couple of snacks maybe
Speaker 4: for me, but you know you usually get a banana
Speaker 4: after nine or just yeah, but for him, you know
Speaker 4: a lot of protein bars, protein powdered bananas, these electro
Speaker 4: like gummies that he likes as well. So yeah, just
Speaker 4: try and keep him charged and you know, good to
Speaker 4: go for the for the eighteen dolls because you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes you're out there for you know, five six hours,
Speaker 4: so you definitely know for many, that's for sure, Shay.
Speaker 2: Can we talk about green reading a little bit? You
Speaker 2: know victors use a aim point. You see him using it,
Speaker 2: doing it quickly and efficiently. Do you contribute? Do you
Speaker 2: help him out on green ring at all? Is he
Speaker 2: one hundred percent on his own? And then and then
Speaker 2: related to that, are you guys using the greens book
Speaker 2: or is it all feet and feel?
Speaker 4: It's all fit and feel for him. You know, he's
Speaker 4: very independent, especially with the grain. Yeah, no, he he
Speaker 4: did aim point a couple of years back and it's
Speaker 4: been the best thing for him. It's given him the confidence,
Speaker 4: you know, trusting the read at first when I when
Speaker 4: we first started, I was reading a lot of the
Speaker 4: parts because he wasn't a great green reader. And the
Speaker 4: tough part with caddies reading greens is.
Speaker 3: It's all speed related.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, you can go from a cup to
Speaker 4: two cups out, you know, whatever it is. Whereas aim point,
Speaker 4: you know, he can feel the part whether it's a one, two,
Speaker 4: three percent slope and he's really good with his feet.
Speaker 4: So yeah, he's been doing aim point for the last
Speaker 4: couple of years. And you know, I stay out of
Speaker 4: the way once I get on that green, I'm looking
Speaker 4: for tomorrow's pin and trying to work.
Speaker 3: Out where we want to be, where we don't want
Speaker 3: to be doing.
Speaker 4: My prep work for the following day, and letting him
Speaker 4: do what he does on the green. So it's we've
Speaker 4: got a good little thing going at the moment, which
Speaker 4: is good.
Speaker 1: Share caddy for a couple players in the LPGA tour
Speaker 1: years ago, and something I don't think people understand. The
Speaker 1: easiest caddy day Sunday that has the least amount of
Speaker 1: work in terms of what you're doing for sure, Like
Speaker 1: like I would watch these caddies, you know, especially the
Speaker 1: first couple events I did, walking off the dot for
Speaker 1: the next day and figuring out whole locations. You're doing
Speaker 1: so much work for the next round. You get the
Speaker 1: Sunday and obviously it's pressure packed. You're trying to win
Speaker 1: or contend or move up on a leader board. But
Speaker 1: as a caddy, the work's kind of done. There's no
Speaker 1: pen for Monday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of nice sitting on the back of
Speaker 3: the grain and doing.
Speaker 4: I wish, I wish he has a saint back days,
Speaker 4: I could just sit back and chill. But that's uh,
Speaker 4: you know, obviously Sunday's Sunday's you know, it's where you
Speaker 4: make your moves and try to win the golf tournament.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's it's a lot more relaxed from that standpoint,
Speaker 4: and just let him do what he does and you know,
Speaker 4: hopefully dude like he did at the BAMW and finish
Speaker 4: it off well.
Speaker 1: If he plays like he does at the BMW, he's
Speaker 1: gonna win a lot. Marty, You're you're a guy that
Speaker 1: pays a lot of attention. I wanted to go back
Speaker 1: to snacks for a minute. What is your snack situation
Speaker 1: on off course, because I feel like you're somebody that
Speaker 1: probably lays this out and has probably like counted calories
Speaker 1: and protein and things like that.
Speaker 2: I've gone back and forth, you know, like lately, I've
Speaker 2: done the Intermitte fasting. So if my tea time is
Speaker 2: not before, like if I can go all the way
Speaker 2: to like two pm, so if I'm a late morning
Speaker 2: tea time, I don't eat anything. And that that was
Speaker 2: a big like I was used to get nervous about that,
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna run out of food. I need to
Speaker 2: keep fueling up. But I've done that for quite a while.
Speaker 2: But you have to get the hydration's key, I mean,
Speaker 2: especially playing in the desert, so you know, getting some
Speaker 2: hydration in.
Speaker 1: And what are you taken down? Like what are you
Speaker 1: eating on the course? What are you taking down?
Speaker 2: I love macadamia nuts, macadamia nuts and olives. I do.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting I even have something random, no.
Speaker 2: These little olive snack packs super high fat, and I
Speaker 2: feel really good. I try to like use my intuition,
Speaker 2: like what foods I eat there, I feel really good.
Speaker 2: I love macadamia nuts, high fat and very salty and
Speaker 2: all of same thing I and I.
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 2: So there's there's really good ones from Trader Joe's coming,
Speaker 2: a little pack from Riding your Bag, perfect little snack.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait until the twenty twenty four Masters when
Speaker 1: Shay's on thirteen just pounding some all He's.
Speaker 3: Taking out a whole bag. Get a little j Shae.
Speaker 1: We appreciate the time, Thank you so much. Congrats obviously
Speaker 1: on the recent success. Uh, you know, play well at
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup. I guess we could say, you.
Speaker 3: Know, if you guys, you guys can have your you're
Speaker 3: paying underwear on Listen.
Speaker 1: I root for a good, solid team.
Speaker 3: We don't get have a pighead on that late no
Speaker 3: olives there at the Rider.
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