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Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how

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Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can

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Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. Shane Bak

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Speaker 1: and Marty Jertsen. We're in the Ping truck. Always excited

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Speaker 1: to be back, and we're with a man that does

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Speaker 1: a lot a lot of work week to week. Shane

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Speaker 1: Knight's with us, of course, the caddy for Victor Howlin Shae. Recently,

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Speaker 1: you were a part of of one of the great

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Speaker 1: final rounds, one of the great final nine holes that

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Speaker 1: we've ever seen, when Victor tore part Olympia Fields. Is

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Speaker 1: that the best golf you've ever seen? Is that the

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Speaker 1: best golf you've been a part of.

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Speaker 3: It was like playing a video game.

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Speaker 4: It was unbelievable to be a first hand witness of that,

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Speaker 4: you know, standing up by the bag and just experiencing,

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Speaker 4: you know what he went through and you know the

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Speaker 3: It was remarkable.

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Speaker 2: I think whenever there's like a round like that. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Victor hit tons of incredible shots, very very straight, but

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Speaker 2: you also have to get lucky a little bit. What

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Speaker 2: were a few things there in that final round around

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Speaker 4: Well, definitely fourteen, You know with that lie that he

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Speaker 4: had should chip the driver off the tea and just

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Speaker 4: missed it in the left rough and you know the

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Speaker 4: grain was going with us, but you know there's a

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Speaker 3: Couldn't get there.

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Speaker 4: He had to hit the ad iron but it had

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Speaker 4: and you know, knocked it to a foot.

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Speaker 3: Make berdie from there was incredible.

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Speaker 2: Shit. What's that? What's that conversation like between you and

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Speaker 2: Victor on that lie? Because I remember watching on TV

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Speaker 2: and they had you guys miked up at Memorial was in.

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Speaker 3: The playoff, in the playoff.

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Speaker 2: And the t shot ended up right there on the

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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 2: How? What is your contribution in talking through the shot

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Speaker 2: selection there with Victor and.

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Speaker 4: More, you know, just giving him reassurance, you know, especially

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Speaker 4: Memorial when obviously long's no good, but you know, to

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Speaker 4: hit the wedge the way he did. You know, we

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Speaker 4: thought it was going to come out hot, and it

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Speaker 4: that bunker. But yesterday on fourteen, we knew nine nine

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Speaker 4: and he did, being the aggressive player that he is,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Shay, what has the last year been like in

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Speaker 1: terms of the development of Victor Harvin Because you kind

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Speaker 1: of go back to the Open last year. Of course

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Speaker 1: he was in the final group with Rory on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: think about the PGA Championship this year. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's on a run. He's not missing cuts, he's playing

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Speaker 1: very consistent golf. The pitching and chipping has improved a lot.

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Speaker 1: It feels like the complete game is there. But what

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the hardest part because you know, when

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Speaker 4: so to speak, in terms of you know, not being

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Speaker 3: Are fall for a reason.

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Speaker 4: So you know, for him to go out and you know,

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Speaker 1: Going back to Saint Andrews and then you think about

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Speaker 1: What was Victor like at the PGA this year versus

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Speaker 1: maybe the Open last year.

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Speaker 4: It's funny because whenever Victor gets off to a good start,

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Speaker 4: you know, he always takes that momentum forward. Whereas when

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Speaker 3: That's when you know, you're thinking.

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Speaker 4: You know, is is he going to change the momentum

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Speaker 4: know that was the difference between the Open and the PGA,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like I just it's so fun to

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Speaker 2: those stretches? Like? Like, what are you guys talking more?

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Speaker 2: Talking less? Is he just in the zone? What's it

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Speaker 4: As we all know, Like you know, he's an unbelievable

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Speaker 4: that's extremely important around there to be able to do that.

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Speaker 4: So you know, that's the most important thing for him.

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Speaker 4: And you know when he's on, he's just got no fear.

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Speaker 4: He's just such an aggressive player.

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Speaker 1: Did you get introduced to Victor and going through your

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Speaker 1: what is it like taking maybe a flyer on a

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Speaker 4: Am went, yeah, for sure, Like you know, I was

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Speaker 4: working for Shawn a Hab you know, it was four

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Speaker 4: being a little freelancer, you know, cutting for odds and

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Speaker 1: When you're looking for work as a caddy, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I wish it was like that. You know, it's like

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Speaker 4: Everyone knows, you know, who's looking, who's you know, who

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Speaker 4: injured exactly. So Joe Scovern, who's a good friend of mine,

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Speaker 4: so you know, that's how the team came along. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: Sam called me up and asked if I'd be interested

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Speaker 4: you know, obviously he won the US Amateur and so

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Speaker 4: I flew out the Steelwater. You know, I wanted to

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Speaker 4: I flew to Steelwater, had breakfast with him, and just

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Speaker 4: and yeah, it just went from there and you know,

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Speaker 3: It's been unbelievable, right the last four years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Victor's game is a volve. Obviously came out as

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Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen nineteen at.

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Speaker 2: Pebble, he either led the field, is very close to

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Speaker 2: has it been like seeing other parts of his game

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Speaker 2: you mentioned short game evolve in these in these four years,

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Speaker 2: which parts of his games have been fun for you

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Speaker 4: It's been an interesting ride because you know, he's obviously

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Speaker 4: And you know, he went down a stage where he

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Speaker 4: tried to hit the draws, try and get the numbers

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Speaker 4: you know it's difficult for him to do. So we

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Speaker 4: the chipping and pitching, you know, Joe Mayo has done

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Speaker 4: more of a complete player, which is where he's at now.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about being a cutter of the gobbel,

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Speaker 1: of the players obviously moved the ball left or right.

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Speaker 1: You get on the tee at thirteen at Augusta, what

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Speaker 4: Well, it's actually a lot easier now because you know

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Speaker 4: they right with the tea box is probably let's.

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Speaker 1: Say, the up to let's say last year's tea at

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Speaker 1: the Masters. What are you saying to Victor when you

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Speaker 1: know that ball's got to go the way he doesn't

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Speaker 3: Well, it's three wood.

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Speaker 4: All day, Okay, Yeah, So it's not Driver because Driver

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Speaker 3: And you know, we know very well what.

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Speaker 4: It's like over there, unless you Phil Mickelson Jordan exactly.

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Speaker 4: But no, it's just you know, he tends to hit

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Speaker 4: So it's most of the time it's threewood off the

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Speaker 2: Say what's been what's been one of maybe your biggest

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Speaker 2: regrets as a caddy right now, maybe even with Victor

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Speaker 2: or any of your players, And a regret could be

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Speaker 2: maybe you know, advising on the you know the distance,

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Speaker 2: the win, reading the lyron, some of that nature.

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Speaker 1: What's the worst time you've done your job? What's like

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Speaker 1: the worst part the worst job you've ever done as

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Speaker 3: I remember this is one.

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Speaker 4: This is way back, but I remember cutting for Shauna

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Speaker 2: But obviously, oh that's an incredible story.

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Speaker 3: Shae.

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Speaker 1: What's your journey been like to get to this position?

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Speaker 3: You know, I play golf my whole life. You know,

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Speaker 4: And I was landscaping, landscaping back home and you know,

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Speaker 3: And he's like, show, I want you to come back,

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Speaker 1: Only the only Scottish golfer that hits it higher than

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Speaker 1: I thought Scottish golfers hit.

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Speaker 4: It's gone so fast. I still can't believe I've been

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Speaker 3: I just can't.

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Speaker 4: Although the Grays probably showed that sheep yesterday, but I

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Speaker 3: I can't do it.

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Speaker 1: When when when Victor wins, you know, he does all

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Speaker 1: I mean, people don't understand how long that evening is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like anyone.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it was great.

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Speaker 2: That sounds incredible. Now, Shure, what's your what's your favorite

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Speaker 3: By far Pebble Beach.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I love Pebble even though it's you know, we

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Speaker 4: I'd like my ashes to be on Amen corner when

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Speaker 3: But a yeah, those three courts would probably be my three.

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Speaker 1: What's it? Obviously we're in the ping tour truck. What's

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Speaker 4: No, it's obviously amazing to have that at Victor's disposal

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Speaker 3: It's just yeah, it's once again first class.

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Speaker 1: What's he particular about, because we've talked to a few

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Speaker 4: He's not very particular with grips, et cetera. But you know,

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Speaker 2: So you you guys, Victor plays in meters, tell us

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it's like two hours of torture your

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Speaker 4: it's on the PGA tour. Yeah, they do meters books.

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Speaker 4: There's probably half a dozen guys that working meters as well.

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Speaker 3: Shay.

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Speaker 1: We watch Victor week to week on the tour, and

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Speaker 1: young kid that's always smiling, and he always looks like

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Speaker 1: there's that fire inside of him that we don't see

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you say, you know, with his bulldog mentality,

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Speaker 1: I'm putting this club in for two shots a day,

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Speaker 1: what does that do to your calculations or what you're

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Speaker 4: He accepted to move on.

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Speaker 1: How do you go about a disagreement when maybe you

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Speaker 1: either don't think it's the club, you don't think it's

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Speaker 1: the shot, you don't think it's going to come out

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Speaker 1: of that lie. How do you approach that without selling negative?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's his decision.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I'm going to give my opinion and

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Speaker 4: I'm going to try to convince him that it's my

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Speaker 4: what I think.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's his decision.

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Speaker 4: You know, sometimes he listens, sometimes he doesn't, and you

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Speaker 4: know that's that's why he's got his name on the

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Speaker 4: bag and that's why he's you know, top five player

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Speaker 4: in the world. So you know there's times when like

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Speaker 4: perfect example was BMW when we're there at number three

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Speaker 4: and you know he's got nine nine out, he's got

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Speaker 4: one hundred and forty three meters and the wind's hurting

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Speaker 4: out of the left, and I'm always thinking where the

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Speaker 4: wind is, what it's doing, and you know it's meant

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Speaker 4: to be hurting out of the left, but I feel

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Speaker 4: it straight out of the left, So I'll pull him

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Speaker 4: off the shot.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, Hobby, it's.

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Speaker 4: Too much club and once again like you know, he

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Speaker 4: can take it or leave it. But in this situation,

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Speaker 4: he took the advice, went back to a wedge, and

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Speaker 4: he was Pinnie made Birdie. So so you know, sometimes

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Speaker 4: it works out, sometimes it doesn't. It just all depends

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Speaker 4: on what he's singing at the time, I suppose.

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Speaker 2: So how do you how do you judge the wind?

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Speaker 2: Did you take notes based on the forecast and then

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Speaker 2: adjusts when you're out on the course or what what

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Speaker 2: indicators are you using to judge the wind, surface wind?

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Speaker 2: Are you looking at trees? Are you looking at flags?

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Speaker 2: What is that process?

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Speaker 4: That's a really good question because you know, obviously the

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Speaker 4: wind can change all the time, and I always hate

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Speaker 4: to see light and variable because I'd got to be

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Speaker 4: blowing ten to fifteen out of the you know, whatever direction.

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Speaker 4: Because you know, to start with, you you're looking at

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Speaker 4: weather maps and you're trying to work out. You know,

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Speaker 4: say it's coming out of the northeast. It says northeast

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Speaker 4: all day, but then you look on the tour's got

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Speaker 4: their hourly forecast, and sometimes it says light and variable

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Speaker 4: and you're like, oh my gosh. So you know when

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Speaker 4: you see like variable, you know that it's all over

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Speaker 4: the shop, and you know, I'm constantly paying attention to

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Speaker 4: the trees, paying attention to the clouds. You know, even

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Speaker 4: though that's extremely high, but you know a lot of

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Speaker 4: times I'm paying attention to the trees, and you know,

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Speaker 4: more feeling that you know with the you know, when

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Speaker 4: you're out on the ground, you know, if it's turning

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Speaker 4: out of the left and you kind of feel it

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Speaker 4: coming off your more off your left, then yeah, your

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Speaker 4: intuition kind of pays off.

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Speaker 2: What hales have had traditionally, like maybe some confusing or

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Speaker 2: very challenging wind is twelve at Augusta. One yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: you're one way after twelve.

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Speaker 4: Thirteen, fifteen, sixteen, like yeah, six, take a pick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the hardest thing about Augusta.

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Speaker 4: You know, people don't understand that, you know, with those trees,

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Speaker 4: the pine trees, the wind always swells through the trees

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Speaker 4: and you can get up there and you can be

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Speaker 4: playing straight down on eleven, and then you get on

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Speaker 4: the t on twelve and you feel like it's hurting out.

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Speaker 3: Of the right.

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Speaker 4: But what it does is it goes through the pines

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Speaker 4: and comes back and it's just so difficult, but you know,

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Speaker 4: you just got to commit to the shot and hopefully

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Speaker 4: it pays off.

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Speaker 1: Shay, what's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday like for you week to

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Speaker 1: week on tour? What are you doing Monday? What are

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Speaker 1: you doing Tuesday? Obviously Wednesday a lot of the weeks

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Speaker 1: or pro m days, but what is your process like

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Speaker 1: maybe those first couple of days weeks week.

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Speaker 4: Usually Monday's always just walking the golf course by yourself. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I love to walk the golf course by myself, just

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Speaker 4: doing it on my own. If I'm walking with a

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Speaker 4: couple of caddies, and I'll do that as well. But

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Speaker 4: you know, I love getting my prep work in. I

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Speaker 4: pride myself on, you know, being really diligent with all

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Speaker 4: the information that I need for Victor whenever he needs it.

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Speaker 4: Tuesdays is usually nine holes. Hovey gets out here, you know,

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Speaker 4: around I don't know eleven. Ish's a he's not an

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Speaker 4: early bird, and which is great for me because I

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Speaker 4: can come out and you know, if I need anything

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Speaker 4: else out on the golf course, I can do it.

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Speaker 2: Then.

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Speaker 4: Wednesday's usually a pro am, although you know in Atlanta

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Speaker 4: there's no proram, which is which is nice. But yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: it's it's usually just prep work and you know, just

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Speaker 4: dialing the numbers and hopefully you know he's ready to

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Speaker 4: go on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: What's what's bagweight of Victor's bag right now? I mean

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Speaker 1: too much?

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Speaker 3: Too little?

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Speaker 1: Like where we at?

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Speaker 3: That fluctuates, Okay.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends on on the conditions, Like you know,

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Speaker 4: the British Open when we had everything under the sun.

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Speaker 4: We've we've always got a lot of food in there.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, British Light and variable.

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Speaker 4: British Open was like sixty pounds, whereas you know sometimes

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Speaker 4: there's forty five pounds.

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Speaker 1: So who has the heaviest bag on tour? Is there

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Speaker 1: somebody that's bag stands out as the heaviest by far well.

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Speaker 3: And Bryson Chambeau was on tour. Yeah, he was probably

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Speaker 3: the most. Yeah, the bag.

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Speaker 1: The snacks are heavy snacks. We're working with it. Also,

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Speaker 1: I don't think people totally always understand this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have snacks in there too, you got to carry

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Speaker 1: it back for five hours?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure. You know, I don't have as

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Speaker 3: many snacks in there for me. They're usually in there

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Speaker 3: for him. Yep.

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Speaker 4: I'm usually you know, have a couple of snacks maybe

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Speaker 4: for me, but you know you usually get a banana

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Speaker 4: after nine or just yeah, but for him, you know

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Speaker 4: a lot of protein bars, protein powdered bananas, these electro

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Speaker 4: like gummies that he likes as well. So yeah, just

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Speaker 4: try and keep him charged and you know, good to

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Speaker 4: go for the for the eighteen dolls because you know,

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Speaker 4: sometimes you're out there for you know, five six hours,

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Speaker 4: so you definitely know for many, that's for sure, Shay.

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about green reading a little bit? You

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Speaker 2: know victors use a aim point. You see him using it,

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Speaker 2: doing it quickly and efficiently. Do you contribute? Do you

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Speaker 2: help him out on green ring at all? Is he

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent on his own? And then and then

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Speaker 2: related to that, are you guys using the greens book

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Speaker 2: or is it all feet and feel?

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Speaker 4: It's all fit and feel for him. You know, he's

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Speaker 4: very independent, especially with the grain. Yeah, no, he he

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Speaker 4: did aim point a couple of years back and it's

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Speaker 4: been the best thing for him. It's given him the confidence,

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Speaker 4: you know, trusting the read at first when I when

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Speaker 4: we first started, I was reading a lot of the

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Speaker 4: parts because he wasn't a great green reader. And the

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Speaker 4: tough part with caddies reading greens is.

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Speaker 3: It's all speed related.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, you can go from a cup to

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Speaker 4: two cups out, you know, whatever it is. Whereas aim point,

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Speaker 4: you know, he can feel the part whether it's a one, two,

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Speaker 4: three percent slope and he's really good with his feet.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, he's been doing aim point for the last

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Speaker 4: couple of years. And you know, I stay out of

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Speaker 4: the way once I get on that green, I'm looking

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Speaker 4: for tomorrow's pin and trying to work.

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Speaker 3: Out where we want to be, where we don't want

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Speaker 3: to be doing.

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Speaker 4: My prep work for the following day, and letting him

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Speaker 4: do what he does on the green. So it's we've

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Speaker 4: got a good little thing going at the moment, which

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Speaker 4: is good.

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Speaker 1: Share caddy for a couple players in the LPGA tour

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Speaker 1: years ago, and something I don't think people understand. The

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Speaker 1: easiest caddy day Sunday that has the least amount of

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Speaker 1: work in terms of what you're doing for sure, Like

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Speaker 1: like I would watch these caddies, you know, especially the

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Speaker 1: first couple events I did, walking off the dot for

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Speaker 1: the next day and figuring out whole locations. You're doing

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Speaker 1: so much work for the next round. You get the

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Speaker 1: Sunday and obviously it's pressure packed. You're trying to win

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Speaker 1: or contend or move up on a leader board. But

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Speaker 1: as a caddy, the work's kind of done. There's no

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Speaker 1: pen for Monday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of nice sitting on the back of

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Speaker 3: the grain and doing.

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Speaker 4: I wish, I wish he has a saint back days,

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Speaker 4: I could just sit back and chill. But that's uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, obviously Sunday's Sunday's you know, it's where you

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Speaker 4: make your moves and try to win the golf tournament.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's it's a lot more relaxed from that standpoint,

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Speaker 4: and just let him do what he does and you know,

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Speaker 4: hopefully dude like he did at the BAMW and finish

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Speaker 4: it off well.

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Speaker 1: If he plays like he does at the BMW, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna win a lot. Marty, You're you're a guy that

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Speaker 1: pays a lot of attention. I wanted to go back

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Speaker 1: to snacks for a minute. What is your snack situation

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Speaker 1: on off course, because I feel like you're somebody that

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Speaker 1: probably lays this out and has probably like counted calories

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Speaker 1: and protein and things like that.

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Speaker 2: I've gone back and forth, you know, like lately, I've

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Speaker 2: done the Intermitte fasting. So if my tea time is

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Speaker 2: not before, like if I can go all the way

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Speaker 2: to like two pm, so if I'm a late morning

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Speaker 2: tea time, I don't eat anything. And that that was

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Speaker 2: a big like I was used to get nervous about that,

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Speaker 2: like I'm gonna run out of food. I need to

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Speaker 2: keep fueling up. But I've done that for quite a while.

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Speaker 2: But you have to get the hydration's key, I mean,

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Speaker 2: especially playing in the desert, so you know, getting some

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Speaker 2: hydration in.

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Speaker 1: And what are you taken down? Like what are you

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Speaker 1: eating on the course? What are you taking down?

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Speaker 2: I love macadamia nuts, macadamia nuts and olives. I do.

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting I even have something random, no.

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Speaker 2: These little olive snack packs super high fat, and I

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Speaker 2: feel really good. I try to like use my intuition,

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Speaker 2: like what foods I eat there, I feel really good.

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Speaker 2: I love macadamia nuts, high fat and very salty and

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Speaker 2: all of same thing I and I.

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Speaker 3: I love.

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Speaker 2: So there's there's really good ones from Trader Joe's coming,

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Speaker 2: a little pack from Riding your Bag, perfect little snack.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait until the twenty twenty four Masters when

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Speaker 1: Shay's on thirteen just pounding some all He's.

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Speaker 3: Taking out a whole bag. Get a little j Shae.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the time, Thank you so much. Congrats obviously

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Speaker 1: on the recent success. Uh, you know, play well at

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Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup. I guess we could say, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, if you guys, you guys can have your you're

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Speaker 3: paying underwear on Listen.

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Speaker 1: I root for a good, solid team.

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Speaker 3: We don't get have a pighead on that late no

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Speaker 3: olives there at the Rider.

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