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Speaker 1: Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Alright, Lituer live on a first Friday, a miracle edition

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Speaker 2: of Cleveland Browns Daily. I am merely Bo. He is

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Speaker 2: the great z So. I see a yellow on the

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Speaker 2: scroll here winter weather more. You're like happy about any.

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Speaker 3: Baby, I'm out twenty four hours from now. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 3: your works. It's very selfish. That's a big if.

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Speaker 2: What do we do?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: What is happening?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 3: How did I You've got another who storm's coming?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta be one today this weekend, This.

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Speaker 3: Weekend could be like the snow yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, starts today and ends.

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Speaker 3: And that's on the side of the town that doesn't

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Speaker 3: get a lot of snow.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no, I mean and.

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Speaker 3: Then by the way, we go into an arctic deep

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Speaker 3: freeze again next week.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, look at this.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of that. Like, how you got

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Speaker 3: to come home to that? Oh my god, freeze?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, hi's fourteen, sixteen, seventeen, twenty two.

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Speaker 3: God, what are we? What is going?

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Speaker 2: What is happened? Can we get a reprieve? No, worst

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Speaker 2: winter ever that I've lived in Ohio since seven, since seven,

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Speaker 2: it's the worst winter I've.

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Speaker 3: Had, the worst since worse than thirteen fourteen years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't like this is it? This is

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Speaker 2: the number one. I mean, this is a disaster.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The other nothing little ice storm here later on

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Speaker 3: this afternoon, just like a rush hour perfect.

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Speaker 2: So it gets hurt that many people. The ice, the

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Speaker 2: ice storm thing is that is a mess. We were

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Speaker 2: headed down, We were headed down. I was headed down

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Speaker 2: to Jackson for my third trip down to Jackson on

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Speaker 2: Saturday night to play second trip down. And it was

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Speaker 2: so as I was leaving our house, Uh, ice heart,

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Speaker 2: and then it became rain and you just think, well,

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Speaker 2: this is not going to end well at all, And

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Speaker 2: sure enough it didn't. Now our where I live was

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Speaker 2: like must have been right on the cusp of it,

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Speaker 2: being where you got the steady coating of nothing but ice,

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Speaker 2: which is what you have, and we talked about that

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Speaker 2: I still have it. It finally melted off the driveway,

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Speaker 2: so the driveway. The other day the snow was at

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Speaker 2: or the sun was out Monday, so that melted it

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Speaker 2: off the driveway. So our driveway faces.

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Speaker 3: How's that going?

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Speaker 2: I'm working it out north, like you go up and

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Speaker 2: you're facing north. So the driveway itself so interesting. I

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Speaker 2: would have I would have guessed that it was heading

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Speaker 2: then go in there and then.

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Speaker 5: No, So the driveway is hill earth because the sun

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Speaker 5: rises in the east, which rises over here, and it's

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Speaker 5: on our deck in the morning, goes over and then

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Speaker 5: it's over here, so this would be north, so it

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Speaker 5: does not get a out of direct sun on that

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Speaker 2: And so it is. The ice has not melted, so

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Speaker 2: it's and it's not gonna as it turns out.

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Speaker 5: It's it's like I can step on it and it

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Speaker 5: cracks and you can see a little cracks right through

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Speaker 5: like you're walking on a super thin lake.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Sure it's nuts.

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Speaker 5: By the way, I don't know if we said anything

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Speaker 2: It was quite hopefully maybe quite maybe today we can

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Speaker 2: we used to just say that we were texting behind

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Speaker 2: and it's like all we used to used to say,

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Speaker 2: all that all stuff, like we've been saying similarity to

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Speaker 2: what you said for about a month. But there is

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Speaker 2: something about seeing it that changes it. And I've noticed

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Speaker 2: the folks. So yeah, there you go. I had a

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Speaker 2: this was not nothing like locally sports wise. Last night

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Speaker 2: but like really up to his breeding more than anything.

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Speaker 2: I'm told that that's phenomenal, but who knows. I gotta

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Speaker 2: tell you, though giant Schnauzer wins it, I think it's

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Speaker 2: to me if it's got to be a normal Schnauzer.

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Speaker 2: You can't give me some sort of some monster monster schnauzer.

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Speaker 2: Give me the normal schnauzer. Give me just the pure Schnauz.

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Speaker 2: So well that was going on. I heard what sounded

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Speaker 2: like water splash, a lot of water splashing on the

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Speaker 2: wife scream okay. So I go up there and I

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Speaker 2: find bootsy no shirt on, and vomit I don't know

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Speaker 2: in the living room. My wife's going go to the bathroom.

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Speaker 2: Can you get to the bathroom? He's not in any

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Speaker 2: So then all of a sudden, it's like the scene

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Speaker 2: and stand by me with the pie eating contest, and

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Speaker 2: it's projectile and he's.

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Speaker 3: Just exorcism great.

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Speaker 2: And he so three separate pools of vomit on the

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Speaker 2: I'm like, he's sick, but like you're I found myself

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Speaker 2: being angry with him, like why were you just go

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Speaker 2: of some sort to live. He's just trying to get

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Speaker 2: my my my anger towards him was not I was

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Speaker 2: really it was manifesting the fact of who's gonna have

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Speaker 2: to clean it up? There's nothing anything else. It was awful, awful,

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Speaker 2: So all that happened, and then it occurred to me

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Speaker 2: like I didn't even think twice about cleaning it up,

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Speaker 2: Like it wasn't in a previous life before children, the

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Speaker 2: just the smart the hint of vomit would have made

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Speaker 2: me sick. You got no question. I don't even remember

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Speaker 2: if it smelled last night. I can't even remember the smell.

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Speaker 2: I just you just start cleaning it up, and you

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Speaker 2: just become as a parent, like a superhero in some

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Speaker 2: of these moments where you're impervious to other things because

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Speaker 2: who else is going to do it? But you nobody,

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Speaker 2: You're You're doing it. You gotta do it. I just

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Speaker 2: spray that with a little bit of lemon liceol. Go

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Speaker 3: Done.

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Speaker 5: Just she wasn't feeling good and she shrugged a like

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Speaker 5: a chocolate like protein smoothie.

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Speaker 2: Which those milk was a poor choice, poor choice.

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Speaker 5: And then she takes off for the bathroom, and it

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Speaker 5: the bathroom, which is down a carpeted hall. Doesn't make it,

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Speaker 5: and it was everywhere, so at least you had it.

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Speaker 2: You were on a hard Yeah, so that's just a

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Speaker 2: clean still in the creases though, Like it gets in

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Speaker 5: This was in a carpet, and you know, you can

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Speaker 5: still in the carpets. And then you have to put

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Speaker 5: have to vacuum once you put that kind of absorbing

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Speaker 5: vacuum to this day, when it gets turned on and

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Speaker 2: Get no whiff of it to this day.

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Speaker 3: That awful.

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Speaker 2: Awful. This was seven years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nope, I'm throwing the vacuum out.

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Speaker 2: It's a beautiful dice in beautiful. Yeah it works great. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you can't do it. Tremendous, tremendous section, poor little fella. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's sad. I hate to hear that about Bootsy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: tonight's family son basketball game, So we can't do that.

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Speaker 2: He's missing out on that. Kids are every everybody's sick

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Speaker 2: right now. Everybody's got the fleet. The weather sucks. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: His his teacher's like, oh, I'm sure he is sick.

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Speaker 2: Like seven kids in our in our class are out sick.

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Speaker 2: The teacher's out sick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it's gonna hit us. We're going

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Speaker 2: to We're trying to get out of town tomorrow night

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Speaker 2: for a little bit little respite. That's not gonna happen now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen. We do have

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Speaker 2: The Ohio State University, according to Pete Thamil, is finalizing

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Speaker 2: the deal to hire Matt Patricia as the school's new

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. Patricia was an NFL head coach of course

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Speaker 2: with the Lions, longtime DC with the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 2: Matt Patricia hasn't been in college football in well over

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Speaker 2: twenty years. Yeah, since he's been in college football. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of a bump as a I don't remember even

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Speaker 2: heard of this job. A pass game coordinator on defense.

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Speaker 2: Really do we need? I mean we have offensively, I

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Speaker 2: think we do pass defensive pass game coordinators on defense though, yeah,

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Speaker 2: really no, I understand. It's probably just get people more

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Speaker 2: And then Tim Walton is co defensive coordinator. Pretty surprising

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Speaker 2: They made some inquiries into Dj Durkin, who's a Youngstown

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Speaker 2: They had made some inquiries to him and he's currently

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Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator at Auburn and were rebuffed there. So

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Speaker 2: you started to hear about this Patricia stuff. A little surprising. No,

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Speaker 2: no real college experience. He's never recruited. Obviously. College football

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Speaker 2: isn't as much about recruiting now as it used to be.

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Speaker 2: It's much more about nil and you still have to

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Speaker 2: develop relationships. But in the end it's a combination of

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Speaker 2: relationships and money. So there's that part of it. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, like, when you think of him, do you

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Speaker 2: think of him as I don't know that I think

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Speaker 2: of him as some sort of defensive mastermind. I always

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Speaker 2: just gave Belichick the credit for their defense. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he was the offensive coordinator in New England two years ago.

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Speaker 2: Remember that he was calling plays. It's absurd he has been.

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Speaker 5: And hopefully this will change, but unfortunately it's been an

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Speaker 5: abject failure for Matt Patricia once he left the Nest

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Speaker 5: and then tried to come back as an offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 5: which was a disaster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a disaster. So it's interesting, to say the very least.

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Speaker 2: Penn State why. I think there's several factors in that.

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Speaker 2: It's the first thing I said when I I mean,

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Speaker 2: What did you make of his choice? Is Super Bowl week?

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Speaker 3: I'll be dagged.

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Speaker 2: So now you're the coach at North Carolina. You gotta

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Speaker 2: Like that's all he's doing. He's just he's Don Draper.

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Speaker 2: You just sell, sell, sell, sell sell. You got a

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Speaker 2: Well his super Bowl rings were on his hands, yep.

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Speaker 2: I want all this stuff. Yeah, we know, well, we

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Speaker 5: It's very stric I don't think that that's even. That's

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Speaker 5: not a question. It is incredibly incredibly strange. I just

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna work. Bud, Yeah, it's not gonna work.

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Speaker 2: It's going to fail miserably. Here are the things you

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Speaker 2: the rosters. You have ten million transfer class's second best

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Speaker 5: All of it is, yes, and it's and it's not

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Speaker 2: No, well, not only that, Not only is not everybody

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Speaker 2: can't verify any of it. Yeah, So no, I thought

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Speaker 2: it was interesting see him around down there. It's very interesting.

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Speaker 2: Colorado quarterback Shoudour Sanders has revealed where his first visit

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Speaker 2: is shadoor Off of the credit here goes to well

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Speaker 2: off media. Go ahead, Yeah, starting business starts life March fourth.

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Speaker 2: Where's do you know your first one yet?

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Speaker 2: What is well off media?

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Speaker 3: No idea? Not sure?

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Speaker 5: They got that little scoopage there, and uh yeah, not

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Speaker 2: Those are the first four teams that he visits with.

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Speaker 2: That's what I would think, looks like well off media

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Speaker 2: This is a conversation he had about Miles or I

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Speaker 2: had to ask Miles like, bro, like, what tell me

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Speaker 7: Because I was only there for one year and what

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Speaker 7: you've never been own to sixteen. You've never been not once,

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Speaker 7: but like twice. I think I think he had to

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Speaker 2: You get somebody think that we would own sixteen twice.

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Speaker 5: Come on, come on, one time, one time, which is

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Speaker 5: one way too many to be fair. One thirty one

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Speaker 5: what are we talking about?

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Speaker 2: Jamis said he had a week. He's driving rickshaws. He

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Speaker 2: Perfect ninety days from Jamis? The leaves and the trees? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: g Man's favorite saying he did you see him unplugged

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Speaker 3: Yeah, unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what those two have in common? No,

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Speaker 2: they're both Florida State seminoles.

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Speaker 2: Krescher went to FSU.

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Speaker 5: How did it play that Dion took the number one

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Speaker 2: Didn't play well, but he was you know the story

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Speaker 2: Florida State said we can't hire you. Yeah without agree

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Speaker 2: He'd always go check on the DB's like that was

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Speaker 5: There there's a kid when I was down in Florida

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that would be Yeah, that would be

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Speaker 2: Jamis did that too. He played baseball and football and deficits.

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Speaker 2: This was on the Travis Hunter Show. Yeah, Travis Travis

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Speaker 2: Have you not seen these comments?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 2: Oh, let's have a list. How did you endle the

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Speaker 9: Let's put it in perspective. You're the top because what no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 9: that was the worst team in the NFL the year before.

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Speaker 9: For me, I wanted to be the number one pick.

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Speaker 9: You could potentially be the first pick. But bro, you

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Speaker 9: have no way of impacting the game like a quarterback does.

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Speaker 9: You can lock down the number one receiver. You can

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Speaker 9: still not like a quarterback. My issue is when I

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Speaker 9: of losers. Guys didn't know how to win, guys didn't know.

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Speaker 2: How to prepare. It was a culture shock for me.

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Speaker 9: The games don't mean a lot to a lot of

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Speaker 9: Not everybody has capabilities to be impact players.

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Speaker 2: They're just players, So he said. A couple of things

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Speaker 5: That's right, to which Steve Smith response, I've watched and

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Speaker 5: before you blessed us with your presence. The way you've

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Speaker 5: talked about the Panthers lately, I'm very disappointed, wishing nothing

440
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Speaker 5: but the best.

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Speaker 2: I'm done.

442
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Speaker 5: He had another one where he's a little bit stronger

443
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Speaker 5: in the fact that you're calling us losers. Now, what's

444
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Speaker 5: interesting is cam was drafted in twenty eleven. Yes, in

445
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Speaker 5: twenty ten they were not very good, But on that

446
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Speaker 5: twenty ten team were a good number of people including di'angelo, Williams,

447
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 5: Jonathan Stewart, Steve Smith in terms of prominent players on

448
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Speaker 5: that offense of the team that went twelve and four

449
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Speaker 5: in two thousand and eight, they were not a bunch

450
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Speaker 5: of losers.

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of what C. Smith's point was. The

452
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Speaker 2: other thing that he said, hold on there for a second,

453
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Speaker 2: they were until they got him.

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Speaker 5: Well, they went twelve and four in two thousand and eight,

455
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Speaker 5: eight and eight, in two thousand.

456
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Speaker 2: And nine quarterback, right, they had the quarterback. This goes

457
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Speaker 2: back to the everything we've been talking about for a

458
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Speaker 2: month and a half exactly.

459
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Speaker 5: So in two thousand and eight they had Jake Dellome

460
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Speaker 5: they like coming, we wanted Dell home. And then after

461
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Speaker 5: that it was a mix of Classon and Matt Moore.

462
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Speaker 5: And they drafted class in the year before cam in

463
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Speaker 5: what the second Yeah, and he was yeah, second round

464
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Speaker 5: and nine to lone kind of goes down, gets hurt,

465
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Speaker 5: Matt Moore takes over, and then the next year they

466
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Speaker 5: go into it with Matt Moore and.

467
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Speaker 2: Class and they would go four and twelve.

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Speaker 5: But I'm just saying there are a lot of guys

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Speaker 5: on that team that were certainly not losers, and we're

470
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Speaker 5: a part of winning, yeah, with the Carolina Panthers. So

471
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Speaker 5: that's kind of a crazy blanket statement to make. However,

472
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Speaker 5: the one thing he said that I do not disagree

473
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Speaker 5: with at all and was getting gloss over because everybody's

474
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Speaker 5: focused on the loser. Part of it is you cannot

475
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Speaker 5: affect a team like I could because I was a quarterback,

476
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Speaker 5: and you are not right, you know, I'm here in street,

477
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 5: pretty straight funny. There's a lot of you know, obviously

478
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Speaker 5: yesterday people, even though I've been saying what I said

479
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 5: yesterday probably every day for a month, for a month,

480
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 5: that it's obviously gotten a lot of tension, and there's

481
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Speaker 5: it's pretty most people, I would say, get it, get

482
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Speaker 5: the concept of it, and the others are like, no, no, no, no,

483
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 5: we need a sure thing and there's better players and

484
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Speaker 5: more sure things rock at other positions.

485
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Speaker 2: A beanie, A beanie.

486
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Speaker 5: I said this last night on Twitter and response some

487
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Speaker 5: of the things that were being said. And I'll say

488
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Speaker 5: it again right now and tell me if if I

489
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Speaker 5: don't know if you saw. I know you don't follow

490
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Speaker 5: me on social so you may not have seen it.

491
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Speaker 5: But I said, there are no sure things in the

492
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Speaker 5: NFL draft, No, no sure things. Just off the top

493
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Speaker 5: of my head. I remember Aaron Curry, the linebacker wake Forest,

494
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Speaker 5: who was considered as sure of a sure thing as

495
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Speaker 5: could be. Yep, Bust, Tony Mandrich, Bust, that's going way back.

496
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Speaker 3: Happened.

497
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Speaker 2: There's a million of them. Courtney Brown here, Gerard Warren,

498
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Speaker 2: there's a hunt. There's a thousand. Because wherever you can

499
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Speaker 2: do it. There are Robers Gallery, Robert Gallery. There are

500
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Speaker 2: no sure things in the NFL draft. The hit rate

501
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: in the first round is like fifty percent and that's

502
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Speaker 2: regardless of position. So there are no sure things in

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Speaker 2: the draft. So you can't say, oh, it's a safer

504
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Speaker 2: pick to not take a quarterback because there no, it's not.

505
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 2: There are no sure things in the NFL draft. But

506
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: there is one one hundred percent sure thing in the NFL,

507
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: an absolute truth. If you don't have a quarterback, you

508
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: cannot win, period. You can't compete, you can't have sustained success.

509
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: You can have a blippy season here where you go

510
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: and you you you know, make a run to the

511
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: playoffs and get bounced in the first round. We've seen

512
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: that obviously here. Joe Flacco was filled in admirably, but

513
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: we didn't have that true quarterback. You cannot win without

514
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: that quarterback in the National Football League. That's the only

515
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: sure thing in this league as it's been set up. Now,

516
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 2: that's it. That's the list. You don't have a quarterback,

517
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: you cannot win. And the teams that have quarterbacks that

518
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Speaker 2: are good enough to be competitive but not good enough

519
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: to win there and even in some cases a worse purgatory.

520
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Speaker 2: You've said it. I think it's great. We have a life.

521
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Speaker 5: Raft have been thrown to us by picking second in

522
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Speaker 5: this draft. And everybody's like, oh, people are nobody likes

523
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 5: these quarterbacks? This class isn't that good. Bucky Brooks just

524
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 5: released his quarterback rank because he actually a shaudu Er

525
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 5: one CAM two and says, both these guys can be

526
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 5: stars in this league. I watched the things where Mick

527
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 5: Shay said, you know what, I actually even like Jackson

528
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 5: Dart and he said Schauder is the best pure passer

529
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 5: in this draft. There are guys that you certainly can

530
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Speaker 5: win with. So the idea that you're like, I don't

531
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Speaker 5: want a quarterback because there's a more of a sure

532
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 5: thing in Let's say Abdul Carter just talking out loud

533
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Speaker 5: and we'll talk with Tyvas about this, because Tyvas kind

534
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 5: of pushed back a little bit on what I said yesterday,

535
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Speaker 5: and I believe he's coming up later in this hour.

536
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Speaker 5: So I've seen Abdul Carter. Is he a generational talent?

537
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 5: I don't know, And we throw that around way too loosely.

538
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 5: But let's say best know who is.

539
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: Who Miles Garrett TJ. Watt of their generational talent about

540
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons. Give me Micah Parsons. Now give me the

541
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: combined playoff wins of those three. Oh, that's funny. I

542
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: wrote it down right here just so happens to be.

543
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Speaker 2: I don't know you're gonna do that. Two and nine.

544
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: TJ.

545
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: Watts never won a playoffs. They're all generational those three.

546
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Speaker 5: Miles Yeart's won one playoff game and Michael Parsons won's

547
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 5: one there with Dak and Dak's been hurting and now

548
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 5: the lineup so they haven't.

549
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: Really had that quarterback. But that's where it just could go.

550
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 4: T J.

551
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 5: Watt with Alex Highsmith the year they both had double

552
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 5: just sex the best edge rushing tandem in the league.

553
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 5: They didn't want a playoff game, they didn't have quarterback.

554
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. And by the way, there's no sure

555
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 5: thing that Abdull Carter is going to be that pass rusher,

556
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 5: and even if he is, if you don't have a quarterback,

557
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter. And the question is, look, do you

558
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 5: want to bring in somebody on a one year rental

559
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 5: and say, okay, we can scrape this together and we

560
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 5: can be you know, nine and eight this year, we

561
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 5: can be ten and seven. But man, we've got these

562
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 5: two edge rushers. It doesn't matter if you don't have

563
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 5: a quarterback. It does not matter. And so I think

564
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 5: said it again, you have to take the sure thing

565
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 5: of the league is I you don't have quarterback, you

566
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 5: cannot win. You've got an opportunity to take a quarterback.

567
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: Here.

568
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Speaker 5: You have an offensive staff. You have Kevin sefans giet,

569
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 5: a two time coach. Here, you have Tommy Reest now

570
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 5: is your offensive coordinator, who just got the best out

571
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 5: of a quarterback prospect that's not in the top three

572
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 5: in this draft class, maybe not even the top four

573
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 5: in Jaln Milroe while he was at Alabama. So you've

574
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 5: got people here that you think can help kind of

575
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 5: turn this string around. Not to mention Bill Musgrave, this

576
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 5: other stuff is all.

577
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: That's all.

578
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 5: Nice people are like, oh the other one I heard yesterday,

579
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 5: This was great. The teams that are really good. You know,

580
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 5: they've drafted quarterbacks when they already had an established quarterback.

581
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 5: So Alex Smith and they drafted Mahomes, Carson Wentz, who

582
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 5: was the second pick in the draft, and was you know,

583
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 5: at one point looking at it.

584
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Speaker 2: No, but hold on, let me hear me out, all.

585
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 5: Right, and Jalen Hurts, Joe Flacco and Lamar Jackson.

586
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: Work with me here. If you have just been to the.

587
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 5: Playoffs a bunch of years in a row with Alex Smith,

588
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 5: and you're going to trade up to take a quarterback

589
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 5: because number one, clearly you believe that he has some ceiling.

590
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 5: But number two, you're saying, this position is so important

591
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 5: that we will use assets to get a quarterback on

592
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 5: this roster that we think could be a long term superstar,

593
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 5: even though we have a guy Lamar Jacks. They had

594
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 5: Joe Flacko won a Super Bowl for them, a former

595
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 5: first round pick in his own right. Alex Smith was

596
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 5: a former number one overall pick in his own right,

597
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 5: and they say, you know what, we're gonna take Lamar

598
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 5: Jacks or because that position is so important. And the

599
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 5: point is not necessarily with Carson Wentz how good he was,

600
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 5: but the point was they had a quarterback that they

601
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 5: had invested in, and they still said we're going to

602
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 5: use an early pick, a second round pick on Jalen

603
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 5: Hurts to get a quarterback. So those points should even

604
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 5: drive home to you more. How some of the organizations

605
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 5: that have been successful in this league, how valuable they

606
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 5: know that position is that they will use the most

607
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 5: valuable pick that they've got, even go back. You could

608
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 5: complain about what green Bay did, but green Bay drafted

609
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 5: Jordan Love while they had Aaron Rodgers.

610
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to a certain extend. Atlanta did that

611
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: with what PENNI last year with Pennix. I mean they

612
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: hadn't even seen Kirk Couzin. No, but like they were

613
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: like this, we might not be in this spot again.

614
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: And you can argue, and I disputed whether they should

615
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: have done it or not, but they did it. The

616
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: reason they did it is sound logic, which was quarterback.

617
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: This it's about quarterback, and this might be our last

618
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: chance with this roster to pick this I and have

619
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Speaker 2: a guy of this talent be in our lap. A

620
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: couple of things real quick, I know we're up against it,

621
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Speaker 2: bear with me real quickly. Two things really annoy me

622
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: about all of this. Number One, when I see people

623
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Speaker 2: say in these mock drafts that, well, they'll address it

624
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: in twenty six, how are you going to address it

625
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: better in twenty six than you are now? Are you

626
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: guaranteed you're gonna pick number one overall. If that's the case,

627
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: then what you're saying, you're gonna be a two and

628
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: fifteen football team next year, by the way, you're gonna

629
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: and you don't know the actually be better. And furthermore,

630
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: he's the one and everybody around him says he's staying

631
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: four years in Texas. So now what you're gonna wait

632
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: till twenty twenty seven. You're gonna go one in fifteen

633
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: the next two years, one in sixteen, the next two

634
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: years to make sure that you get the quarterback then,

635
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Speaker 2: So that that drives me nuts. The other one that

636
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: drives me nuts is they'll address it later in the

637
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: draft because they have so many needs. It's the only need,

638
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: the only need that matters. It's the only need. The

639
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: rest of it you can sort out. That's the one

640
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: you can't. The other thing. And I think this goes

641
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: back to why people want a dual carter And maybe

642
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: all those guys are great organization made up doing that.

643
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: Who knows, we don't. This isn't scores, this is you

644
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: and I I think for Browns fans there is and

645
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: it doesn't even make sense because I think it comes

646
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: to that jersey. I think comes all there's a an

647
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: embarrassment to the quarterback position here since the return of

648
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: the franchise, and they feel like if we it's a

649
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: please don't hurt us too bad, Yes, sir mate, we'll

650
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: have our porage situation. If we blow it on a

651
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: defensive end, it kind of just disappears. If you blow

652
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: it on a quarterback, you got to see it on

653
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: that jersey. You got to be embarrassed about it. I

654
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Speaker 2: don't care about any of that because this isn't the

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Speaker 2: same as it used to be. You can pivot off

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Speaker 2: of a quarterback in a couple of years if they miss.

657
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: It happens all the time in the league. It's different now.

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Speaker 2: It didn't take long for Tennessee to pivot out Marcus Mariota.

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Speaker 2: They pivoted to Ryan Tannehill. You can do it time

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Speaker 2: and time again. The Redskins and Commanders now have done

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Speaker 2: it a bunch of times, like you keep drafting one

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Speaker 2: until you get one. But I do think there's an

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Speaker 2: embarrassment component to it where it's like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: we don't want to be the ones who reached on

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Speaker 2: a quarterback and then where the butt of jokes, and

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Speaker 2: the feeling is if you draft a defensive end or

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Speaker 2: a corner receiver and they don't pan out, it kind

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Speaker 2: of just disappears. That's my theory.

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Speaker 5: The Browns have picked simply nineteen ninety nine, they have

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Speaker 5: picked in the top five one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

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Speaker 5: nine times in the top five. They've taken two quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: They've picked in the top ten one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,

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Speaker 5: fourteen times, fifteen times in the top ten. Times in

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Speaker 5: the top ten. They've taken two quarterbacks in that time.

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Speaker 5: You know many quarterbacks they have not that they have

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Speaker 5: passed on that have gone to other teams. Listen, you

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Speaker 5: could art Miles Garrett. There is no arguing what his

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Speaker 5: career has been as a number one overall pick. But

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Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes was in that draft.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, it was yep.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 3: Will go over.

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Speaker 2: There's a ton of these mock drafts out. I'll give you,

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Speaker 2: We'll give you our theory on why they're going this

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Speaker 2: way now. And how it could change in a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks. Tymas Powell. In about ten to fifteen minutes

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Speaker 2: All Right, Welcome b to gate. Cleveland Browns Daily presented

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Speaker 2: is my theory original mock drafts. The group think that

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Speaker 2: kind of comes from those, and they're all kind of

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Speaker 2: variations of the same thing over and over again. Then

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Speaker 2: you go to the combine and you talk to the

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Speaker 2: NFL for a week and then you have different mock drafts. Yep,

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Speaker 2: that's true. So this is the first run of them.

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Speaker 2: So there's a bunch of them here. Chad Ryder NFL

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Speaker 2: dot Com has us taking Travis Hunter. Synthony Freeland has

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Speaker 2: us Abdual Carter. Lands Zerline has Abdual Carter, Eric Edholme

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Speaker 2: as Travis Hunter, Bucky Brooks has Abdual Carter, Davidsbermia Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 5: Just real quick on the Zuur line, who I like

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Speaker 5: a lot, he says when on the Titans taking cam Ward.

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Speaker 5: There are no generational talents in this draft, is his comment,

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Speaker 5: and that's why he has them taking cam Ward one.

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Speaker 2: Overall, I think we're starting to throw that around too much.

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00:34:54,520 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 2: The federational talent generation would mean our whole operation like

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Speaker 2: it's got it.

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Speaker 5: It can't just be the kid thinks like a generation's

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Speaker 5: five years. But even so, fine, he's once every.

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Speaker 2: Five or ten years. I think it's a ten minimum. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I feel like, don't you feel like generations are a decade?

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Speaker 2: I think it's more or more than? Is it more

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Speaker 2: like twenty yes, twenty years years. It's like the difference

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Speaker 2: between you and your father and you and your kids.

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Speaker 2: That's a generation, right, Yeah, so there sometimes can be

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Speaker 2: a generation in between, like, for example, how old is

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Speaker 2: the g man? Is he in his early twenties? How

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Speaker 2: old are your g man?

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Speaker 3: He's twenty two?

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Speaker 2: Of course? Okay, so you and I could have fathered

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Speaker 2: g man. Yes, we're old enough to have fathered him.

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Speaker 2: Gibby's old enough to have fathered him. Maybe Gibby did,

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Speaker 2: who knows, We don't know. You can't say, we can't

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Speaker 2: say for sure that he didn't, so so we can't.

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Speaker 2: I think we can't say. But the point there is

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Speaker 2: a generation in between, Like there's my kids are to me,

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Speaker 2: and my kids feel like two generations younger than me.

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Speaker 2: I think that's fair. Is that fair? Because if someone's thirty,

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Speaker 2: that's a different I could have fathered the too, but

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Speaker 2: that's a different generation from my kids. So let's go

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Speaker 2: every fifteen. So I think it's every fifteen. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of it so like fifteen to eight.

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Speaker 5: To me, the bars that you have to be better

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Speaker 5: than Miles Garrett to be called a generation as a prospect,

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Speaker 5: to be a generational pass rusher, by.

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Speaker 2: The way, and Miles had to be better than Reggie White.

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Speaker 5: Well, I would argue, and you tell me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 5: But this is just college football Nate's recollection of it

744
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 5: that as a prospect going through the process, Jadevian Clowney

745
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Speaker 5: was the most highly touted.

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Speaker 2: Guy there in a long long time. He seemed like

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00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: the surest of surest and he dominated his The only

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Speaker 2: thing about him was his last year at South Carolina

749
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Speaker 2: was kind of underwhelming because he's kind of just going

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Speaker 2: through the motions a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but he never but he was on the short lid,

752
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 5: free time pro bowler. Certainly have been productive player, but

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00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 5: never was never led the leg. And I don't even

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Speaker 5: think he ever has ever had a double digit sex seed.

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Speaker 5: It's so really good. But I'm saying he's had a

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Speaker 5: very nice, long career. He's been a great pro. There's

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Speaker 5: no problem with making him. But what you thought he

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Speaker 5: was going to be Mario Williams.

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Speaker 2: Mario Williams came to mind too, But even that was

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Speaker 2: surprised because it was like, are they really not going

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Speaker 2: to take Reggie Bush? Like they had a quarterback? And

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Speaker 2: You're like, are they not taking Reggie Bush? Number one?

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Speaker 5: But that's the other thing, Like to me, when you

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Speaker 5: talk about somebody as a generational and I think you

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Speaker 5: got that a little bit with Reggie Bush, you're talking

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Speaker 5: about somebody that's.

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Speaker 2: Got a chance to have been a Hall of Famer. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Reggie Bush has never even a pro bowler. No, And

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Speaker 2: I think, I mean, that's a whole nother conversation. But

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Speaker 2: I think Reggie came into the league ten years too early.

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Speaker 2: But he wasn't different, No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't.

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Speaker 2: He got hurt early and just wasn't. Mario He's a

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Speaker 2: little honestly, he's probably closer to He's a little bit

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Speaker 2: more efficient. But there's a little bit of Peter Warwick

775
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Speaker 2: and Reggie Bush where it was like just dynamic in

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Speaker 2: college but did not have that same speed breakaway in

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Speaker 2: the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Right like Mario Willams at least four time Pro bowler,

779
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Speaker 5: one time first team All Pro, he was legit. But

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Speaker 5: I'm saying in terms of the level of dominance that

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00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 5: was expected of those guys, no, no, not not so Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean you don't know. You don't know if

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Speaker 2: any of these and then the quarterbacks from last year

784
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: will be generational. Jane Dannels up to a really nice start,

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Speaker 2: but you don't know that. You don't know if he's

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Speaker 2: going to be an all timer five years from now.

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Speaker 5: I would say two years ago, you know, Bryce Young

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00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 5: was a consensus number one, had an awful rookie season,

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Speaker 5: but like right now, going into year three, even though

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Speaker 5: he's benched in the middle of the year two, you feel,

791
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 5: in Carol, I would feel pretty good about it. I

792
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Speaker 5: thought he really kind of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah the bellied, Yeah, absolutely, and his style and the

794
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: way that some of the things that he does.

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Speaker 5: We'll get into comps and we can do that one

796
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 5: day where we go through and like give like player

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00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 5: comps or whatever. But you know what he does well.

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00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 5: Are some of the things that Shador does well. Some

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Speaker 5: of the things like that Drew Brees did well. It's

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00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 5: about accuracy, ball playment, spent, anticipation, instincts as a thrower

801
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 5: of the football, all those things. You tell me you

802
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 5: have the best peer passer in the draft, and you

803
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Speaker 5: have somebody who's going to throw the ball where it's

804
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Speaker 5: supposed to go when it's supposed to go, I'm in

805
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 5: and they'll stay there and they'll take it. I think

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Speaker 5: one thing that makes Shador a very hard evaluation or

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00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 5: for people out there. And I'm sure that everybody who's

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00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 5: given me an absolute he cannot play has probably watched

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Speaker 5: all twenty two film and broken it down, really really studied.

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00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 5: I'm sure they've really been dialed into. So I appreciate

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Speaker 5: that the hard evaluation with him is that that line

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00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 5: is so bad that yeah, he does have to escape

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Speaker 5: and extend plays and do all of those things a lot.

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Speaker 5: But what I want try to watch when it actually

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Speaker 5: is blocked up when it's in structure in rhythm and say, okay,

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Speaker 5: so you come here more often than not, you're hopefully

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Speaker 5: going to be in structure and rhythm. Guess what, You've

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00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 5: got great experience if you're not. But he is incredibly

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Speaker 5: accurate in those situations.

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Speaker 2: Like they also were at best disinterested in running the football. Well,

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Speaker 2: it was it was teeing off on him for four

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Speaker 2: quarters every game. It was send him yep because of

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Speaker 2: that offensive line. So the only people that have us

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Speaker 2: taking quarterback, Nate Tye and Charles McDonald out of Yahoo

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Speaker 2: have us taking cam Ward, and then Tim with Cleveland

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Speaker 2: dot Com has us taking share So good job to YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Tim.

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Speaker 2: There we go, Uh, everybody else that's Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 5: So Bucky has us taking Abdull Carter, and he Bucky

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Speaker 5: has Bucky actually has Schadour one to the Titans. H

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Speaker 5: And by the way, if cam Ward's there, I'm one

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Speaker 5: hundred percent taking cam Ward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah again, yeah, one hundred percent. I think you and

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Speaker 2: I have made it abundantly clear. Yeah, how unfortunately, but

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Speaker 2: He is Tyvas Powell, former Buckeye captain, National Champion, MVP

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Speaker 2: of the National Championship Game. He's an NFL safety. He

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Speaker 2: He does stuff with us here. I hear him in

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Speaker 2: the mornings in Central Ohio. I mean he's on in

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Speaker 2: the afternoon. What aren't you doing you're everywhere everywhere.

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Speaker 8: I'm trying to the next thing is I'm trying to

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Speaker 8: audition to beat the gator a person. I want to

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Speaker 2: That's what's least to do, all right, Zee and I

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Speaker 2: a month about number two and what to do with it.

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Speaker 2: There was a little bit of a video that went

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Speaker 2: of the draft, and then you commented on it, which

867
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: is the genesis of other than just loving to talking

868
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 2: talking to you, this is what we're doing here today.

869
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: So you want to take umbrage with with a great

870
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: umbrage with some of the comments that were made here

871
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: yesterday on the program.

872
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 10: Well, I'm just saying, you know, it was I understand

873
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 10: that where y'all coming from, like one hundred percent get that,

874
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 10: But I don't want it to be y'all act like

875
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 10: it's the end all b.

876
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 8: Y'all, like like the fact that, yes, you do need

877
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 8: a quarterback to be successful in this league, but the

878
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 8: fact that y'all act like if they this is this

879
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 8: is the part of that, y'all like it has to

880
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 8: be at number two. No, it don't know it though,

881
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 8: if the experts feel like, if they feel like the

882
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 8: guys ain't worth number two and they feel like that

883
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 8: guy might slip and be there in the second round,

884
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 8: I think absolutely can take a quarterback in the second round.

885
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 8: The thing is if the experts are saying the experts

886
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 8: which I put in quotation marks, the experts are saying

887
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 8: that this quarterback class is not that good. The last

888
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 8: time they said that was what Kenny Pickt's year, and

889
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 8: that turned out to be true. So with that being said,

890
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 8: if you don't have a guy that you one hundred

891
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 8: percent feel like can be your franchise quarterback, no, you

892
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 8: don't overdo it at two. You can take somebody. You

893
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 8: take the talent, draft the talent at two, and then

894
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 8: take the quarterback in the second round because the day

895
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 8: he's not gonna be none of them is franchise guys anyways,

896
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 8: So you might as well take a guy in the

897
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 8: second round and then go with that guy for this

898
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 8: year and he's probably not gonna do that. Well, then

899
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 8: you can get you one next year. And you can

900
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 8: continue to draft and draft and draft like you want

901
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 8: to do. I don't think you have to waste the

902
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 8: number two pick on a guy if you don't feel

903
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 8: like he's worth the number two pick. That's just what

904
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 8: my whole thought process about the whole thing. So I

905
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 8: would be fine if the Browns decided to take Abdul

906
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 8: Carter or Travis Hunter with the second pick in and

907
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 8: decided to get a quarterback in the second round. That's fine,

908
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 8: there's nothing wrong with that. But this whole notion that

909
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 8: the Browns are people think the fan base is scarred

910
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 8: and scared for the Browns to take a number to

911
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 8: take a quarterback. I don't think that's the case. I

912
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 8: think they're scared to take it at number two because

913
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 8: of what they hear about these quarterbacks in this draft.

914
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 8: And that's all I was just trying to explain to y'all.

915
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 8: That's all.

916
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 2: So a few things.

917
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 5: One, I definitely think people are scared to take a

918
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 5: quarterback early in this draft. The brounds have picked in

919
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 5: the top ten fourteen times since nineteen ninety nine. They've

920
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 5: taken exactly two quarterbacks in that span. That is probably

921
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 5: why we're still talking about this at this point right now,

922
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 5: because this is a team that has not gotten that

923
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 5: position right in a quarter of a century. And part

924
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 5: of it is they haven't taken quarterbacks. They've taken other people.

925
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 5: While Bene Roethlisberger was drafted after they picked players. There

926
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 5: are a lot of things that have gone on in

927
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 5: these drafts where there were opportunities. I think the opportunity

928
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 5: cost of passing on a quarterback. And I'd also say

929
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 5: this the Kenny Pickett draft, I don't and you correct

930
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 5: me if I'm wrong. I don't remember anybody seeing having

931
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 5: him go in the top ten, or any quarterbacks in

932
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 5: the top ten. Every single mock draft you have has

933
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 5: both of these quarterbacks gone by six, every single one

934
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 5: of them. Cam Woard pretty much goes one to three

935
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 5: in every single mock draft. And then you've got Chador

936
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 5: who either goes to US, he goes to the Giants

937
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 5: at three, or he goes to the Raiders at six,

938
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 5: and everybody's saying how he's the best payer passer is

939
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 5: toughness to the decision making, the accuracy. These are Tom

940
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 5: Brady's Tom Brady's favorite quarterback in this draft. Well, if

941
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 5: he's good enough for Tom Brady. I feel like he's

942
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 5: good enough for us to try and take a swing

943
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 5: on because if you believe, and I'm with you, if

944
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 5: Andrew Berry and this front office believes that there is

945
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 5: not a quarterback in this draft that can even be

946
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 5: a top sixteen player in this league, if they reach

947
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 5: their ceiling, then okay, that's fine. I don't see how

948
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 5: they could believe that. This is just me saying it

949
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 5: from watching both cam Ward and Shador watching the All

950
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 5: twenty two, breaking down their games, breaking down their tapes,

951
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: taking copious notes, which I have done, and I would

952
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 5: imagine that that quote unquote experts you talk about a

953
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 5: lot of them do that. But I mean, I was

954
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 5: just watching a podcast today with Todd McShay, who happens

955
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 5: like Jackson Dart I think more than most. But he

956
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 5: said Shaure Sanders is the best pure passer in this drift.

957
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 5: He has instincts, He has things that you can't coach.

958
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 5: Talked about cam Ward's talent. Both of them can be

959
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 5: Pro Bowl performers. If you have a quarterback that you

960
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 5: think can be on that level, you got to take

961
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 5: a shot on him, is all I'm saying. The worst

962
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 5: thing for the Browns would be not to take Shador

963
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 5: Sanders and have him bust out. The worst thing for

964
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 5: the Browns would be not to take Shador or cam

965
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 5: Ward and then have them change the fortunes of another franchise.

966
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 5: Like we've had Ti a two degree. We've had the

967
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 5: best left tackle and since I've been here with the Browns,

968
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 5: the best left tackle in the history of professional football.

969
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 5: We have had the best edge rusher in the NFL

970
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 5: and probably a top five to one of all time.

971
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 5: We've had the best running back in the league for

972
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 5: a four year span, and we've had a top five

973
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 5: cornerback in the league and Denzel Ward.

974
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: And what have we done? Nothing?

975
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 8: Why we don't have made We made too We made

976
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 8: two playoff appearances. And this is what I will say.

977
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 8: I don't disagree with you. I agree with the fact

978
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 8: that if you feel like your doing because I'm with you, Ambo,

979
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 8: I like your doer. I don't know why everybody says

980
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 8: is out on your door either. I mean the fact

981
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 8: that the kids this guy is exactly like he's been

982
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 8: around the sport his entire life. So I love that

983
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 8: about him, and I think he'll be fine, and I

984
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 8: think he makes a good point where he says, everywhere

985
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 8: I've been, I've changed, I've changed what that program was.

986
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 8: Jackson State wasn't that great. He went there, was very

987
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 8: successful there. With the Colorado they weren't great, they became

988
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 8: successful there. So, like I it's perfect for what the

989
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 8: Browns need. You need a guy that can change what

990
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 8: the franchise has been. So I'm not saying that. I'm

991
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 8: justifying the fact that why people are saying they're good

992
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 8: with taking Abdua Carter at two or Travis Hunter too,

993
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 8: because they feel like if they could still get a quarterback,

994
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 8: if they do it in the second round, they can

995
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 8: still get a good one because there's decent ones that

996
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 8: are still gonna be left in the second round. That's

997
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 8: all I'm saying. I'm not I'm not here to say

998
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 8: where the Browns are gonna go. I'm not putting my

999
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 8: foot down on like they got a one percent draft

1000
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 8: for doors one thousand. I'm not in that camp. I'm

1001
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 8: thirty you know, I'll be thirty one on Sunday. So

1002
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 8: when you turn thirty minutes, you.

1003
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: Were man, we've seen a lot more.

1004
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 9: More.

1005
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: We've seen a lot more guys out here getting carted

1006
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: to buy. Well, you know, you buy wine for your wife.

1007
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: You don't drink, but you buy wine for your wife.

1008
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: You're getting carted. Yeah, and that's your life. Yeah, that's

1009
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 2: not our life. I mean, come on, come on, what

1010
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: are we talking about? Would you also say, though that

1011
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: everything that you just said, though you said, draft one

1012
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: in the second round and then you gotta draft it again.

1013
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: The only chance you have to get, and it's not

1014
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: even absolute, to draft the quarterback you want, is it too?

1015
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 2: That's the best chance because you don't know what Tennessee

1016
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: is going to do, so you might not even get

1017
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: to draft that. You might not. They may draft the

1018
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: guy that you want, that you favor, so you have

1019
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: that one shot. The thing that bugs me and I

1020
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: think where I'm ze talked about this yesterday. I talked

1021
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: about it about a half hour ago. I think that

1022
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 2: there is a it is it's less risk. It's you're

1023
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: less vulnerable as a Browns fan if you draft a

1024
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: defensive end or a corner and they fall on their face. Like,

1025
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 2: we don't talk as much about those positional bus the

1026
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: way you talk about quarterback positional bus. We've got a

1027
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: jersey with every quarterback walk. You know, that's played here.

1028
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: Like all of those factors, I think that there's this

1029
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 2: thing of like, well, if we if a duel Carter,

1030
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: we draft him and everybody said he's generational, then everybody

1031
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 2: was wrong and we were wrong too, but we weren't

1032
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: on our own. And I think the one thing that

1033
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: is frustrating is this notion that there's a big reach

1034
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: to Schdure or cam. Everybody has him in the top

1035
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: twenty most. I mean, mel Kiper has him third and

1036
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: fourth overall, Drama, top fifteen, bo It's got them both

1037
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 2: in the top fifteen. So this isn't It's not like

1038
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: we're saying, hey man, this isn't we gotta take Dylan

1039
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: Gabriel too, because he's the best. He's the best of

1040
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks that are out there. Let's take Jackson dark

1041
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: number two. That's not what we're saying. We're saying, there's

1042
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks who are universally viewed as first rounders, top

1043
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: fifteen across the board and in some cases top five.

1044
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: How's it a reach to take him at two? It's not.

1045
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 8: Whether I don't think anybody's just saying that is well,

1046
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 8: I don't know what the comments are saying I can't

1047
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 8: speak for the comte. It's not a reach that takes

1048
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 8: your door. Sat Listen, I've tweeted out you said, if

1049
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 8: the Browns have one of these three guys named at

1050
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 8: the second pick, I'm gone with it. If it's camp Wards,

1051
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 8: the Door Sanders are Abdul Carter, I'm good with it.

1052
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 8: Those are three. If you don't pick in two, those

1053
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 8: are the three. Not a stan of the trade back scenario.

1054
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 8: But I understand why people want to do that. If

1055
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 8: you're talking about this whole rebuild process that you gotta

1056
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 8: get all these assets and get these picks for miles

1057
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 8: and off, like, I understand why people would say that.

1058
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 8: But that'll ultimately come back to the fact that, yes,

1059
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 8: you still want to get your franchise guy. So I'm

1060
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 8: not saying that it's a reach to get your door.

1061
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 8: That would be fine. I don't think anybody's concerned with that.

1062
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 8: It's just the fact that if he's not the guy,

1063
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 8: then you just wasted the number two pick. That's what

1064
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 8: people gonna think to where they think Abdua Carter is

1065
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 8: a can't miss prospect that I think that's where people are.

1066
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 3: Right.

1067
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: It's a waste there. Would you agree with this.

1068
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 5: There are no sure things in the NFL draft, none,

1069
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 5: but there is one the National Football League.

1070
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 8: You think, yes, when Quentin Newson came out, it was

1071
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 8: a short thing that this guy was gonna be an

1072
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 8: All Pro guy. One thousand percent.

1073
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: Wasn't Robert Gallery.

1074
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 8: It's just because you gotta you got a negative of everybody.

1075
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: It's not because there are no.

1076
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 5: What about Aaron Curry was supposed to be the best

1077
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 5: linebacker prospect there had been in years.

1078
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: Get strafted to what top five top by the bust.

1079
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 5: They're busts in every position, guys who don't live up

1080
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 5: to whatever anybody thought they were going to be at

1081
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 5: every single position.

1082
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 8: What I will say, Nathan, this is the partner people

1083
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 8: are skiffing is that you know how everybody listens to

1084
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 8: the draft experts about the fact that this quarterback class

1085
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 8: is not that that loaded. Well the expert and only

1086
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 8: test one that if you know, the experts say now

1087
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 8: that this is a great ed Russian running class. So

1088
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 8: even if you did, That's where I'm like, Okay, say

1089
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 8: you don't get Abnuel Carter, chances are in the second

1090
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 8: round you still got to chance to get According to

1091
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 8: a Dame Brugler. He couldn't even rank all the top.

1092
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 8: He didn't want to be D line heavy in the

1093
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 8: top one hundred. But there's so many D linemen out there.

1094
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 8: So we're like, all right, if you don't take a

1095
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 8: dual Carter with number two, you can still get a

1096
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 8: really good pass rusher in the second round, if that's

1097
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 8: the thing that you're looking for. So, like I said,

1098
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 8: I see it both way. As you guys know, I'm

1099
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 8: t in Switzerland. I love everybody. I respect everybody's opinion.

1100
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 8: There's no wrong answer in this business.

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00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: All right, let me do something real quick. You listen

1102
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: to a fifty ESP and Cleveland wkn are a good

1103
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: Karma brand station. What do you you want? You did

1104
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: BTN all year United Tech College football all season long.

1105
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: Do you think Abduall Carter is that much better than

1106
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: Jack Sawyer or JT. Tuamolowow.

1107
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 8: I think just from an athletic standpoint. From an athletic standpoint,

1108
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 8: you know he's very bendy, obviously. You know you've seen

1109
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 8: him in the last closing game against Norda Dame was

1110
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 8: the one that stands out where he just absolutely destroyed things.

1111
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 8: And don't get me wrong. Jack Sawyer has a motor.

1112
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 8: I just don't know if he's the athlete that that

1113
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 8: app Duel Carter is.

1114
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 9: Now.

1115
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 8: Jack saw is gonna go on and have a great

1116
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 8: NFL career. He's he's gonna be very good. He's gonna

1117
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 8: have a high motor. He's gonna be relentless in his pursuit.

1118
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 8: But when you talk about an athlete, you know, I

1119
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 8: just think that's where Abduall Carter has the edge over

1120
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 8: JT and a Jack Sawyer.

1121
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: I guess my point that I was going for there

1122
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: was you talked about how deep the draft was from

1123
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: Brugler at defensive line. The gap from from Abduall Carter

1124
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 2: to JT and Jack, who most people consider early second

1125
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: round picks, to me, is not nearly as big as

1126
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: the gap between let's say Shadoor Sanders and Quinn Ewers

1127
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: or whoever's going to be a third round quarterback. If

1128
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: if to your point, if if defensive line is so

1129
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 2: deep that you that there's all sorts of talent all

1130
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: the way down the board, take one of them in

1131
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 2: the second round and take the quarterback at two.

1132
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 8: If yeah, I don't have bo Like I said, there's

1133
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 8: no wrong answer into this. You know, at the end

1134
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 8: of this, well, the wrong answer, the wrong answer absolutely

1135
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 8: is the trading down thing. But that I'm not even

1136
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 8: gonna go there, not even gonna start that. I just

1137
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 8: think that you gotta let this whole thing play out.

1138
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 8: I gotta see. I really I'm not a big combine guy,

1139
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 8: more of a Tate watcher to understand because the game

1140
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 8: of football is played like that. So I need to

1141
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 8: see more, watch more tape to see. You know who

1142
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 8: these guys are. How do they fit in your system?

1143
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 8: Y'all going back to the Kevin Stefanski system. How do

1144
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 8: get them? Get players that fit into that scheme? You know,

1145
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 8: get players that's difference maker. Stop falling in love with

1146
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 8: the combined numbers and all that. That's nice, that's cute,

1147
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 8: all of that is great, But at the end of

1148
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 8: the day, when I turn this tape on, I'm not

1149
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 8: about to go get a guy that specializes into three

1150
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 8: four and we run a four to three like that

1151
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 8: that makes sense to me. So we need to make

1152
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 8: sure that we're hitting on that type of stuff. And

1153
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 8: then the last thing, the one thing that really bothers me,

1154
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 8: make sure this guy loves the game and very passionate

1155
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 8: about this game of football. Stop getting guys that's here

1156
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 8: for a check that's not gonna save or change anything.

1157
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 8: And you all you can tell when the guy is

1158
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 8: here for the money, because once they get paid, they

1159
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 8: save it away. So make sure you get a guy

1160
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 8: that once you pay them, they still won't be that

1161
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 8: same guy coming in working their butt off. Like that's

1162
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 8: that's how you change it. It's a cultural thing now

1163
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 8: so many, so many times it's so cool to just

1164
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 8: get some money and just all right, I made it.

1165
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 8: You know, I can take care of my family. So

1166
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 8: now I'm good, like I have Benet made to go. No,

1167
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 8: get the guy that want to be a Hall of Famer,

1168
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 8: be the guy that get the guy that want to

1169
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 8: be great. I want to be the best to ever

1170
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 8: do this. That's that's the mindset of the athlete that

1171
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 8: you need for this team. But if you want to

1172
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 8: change this franchise, Rye, all right.

1173
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: I got two questions for you. One, you said you

1174
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 2: have you watched Shador or Cam yet I watch, you know.

1175
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 8: What, I just YouTube stuff. So I've seen some highlights

1176
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 8: on there. I have seen some games. I actually watched

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00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 8: Cam when he played Virginia Tech earlier this year, and

1178
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 8: that was a really good game if you remember how

1179
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 8: that went into it very wildly, So I was locked

1180
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 8: in for that game. Camp they I like both of them.

1181
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 8: I think both of them have the things that they

1182
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 8: got to get coached out of. You know, when I

1183
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 8: look at Cam Woard, his game reminds me a lot

1184
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 8: of like Caleb Williams not off the simple fact that

1185
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 8: he skips the good play to try to make the

1186
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 8: great play.

1187
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: And I think.

1188
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 4: You can't.

1189
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, you can't do that. And what I like about

1190
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 8: Shador is your door is great because I think he's

1191
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 8: the quickest to get the ball out of his hand first.

1192
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 8: Like I think all of them need to be coached

1193
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 8: to some degree of getting rid of the ball, but

1194
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 8: I think Shador understands, like the NFL is a timing thing.

1195
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 8: At certain times where I got to get the ball

1196
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 8: out of my hand, I only got like three seconds.

1197
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 8: I can get this ball out. We've seen him make

1198
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 8: some of some great throws in with pressure all around him,

1199
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 8: so he yeah to those things. So I think that's

1200
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 8: why a lot of people I'm more higher on Shador

1201
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 8: than Cam for a lot of people, but I can't

1202
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 8: deny the fact that Cam does have some great arm talent.

1203
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 5: I think Cam might have greater quote unquote physical gifts

1204
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 5: just in terms of arm, the way you can throw it,

1205
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 5: let's flat foot at all of that. But I think

1206
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 5: decision making his act as ball placement is unbelievable.

1207
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: Guys open you.

1208
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 8: Know when you hear Kevin talk about you know him

1209
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 8: and Tommy res Is talking about we want guys with

1210
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 8: that makes great decisions. Great, Well, guess what that'sh your door.

1211
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 8: You want a guy that don't throw that taste care

1212
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 8: of the football, that don't throws a lot of picks.

1213
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 8: So look at Shador's numbers. Don't really throw a lot

1214
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 8: of picks. So like you're getting the things that you want.

1215
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 8: And I think what it comes down to ultimately is

1216
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 8: it's really about fix. That's the thing that most fans

1217
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 8: don't understand. It could be a great talent, but if

1218
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 8: today coach can't get through and communicate to that player,

1219
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 8: it's not gonna look great. That's why you see so

1220
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 8: many other Gold quarterbacks and other players go to different

1221
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 8: coaches and different teams and it's like, oh, they unlock

1222
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 8: them because that coach understood how to say something, to

1223
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 8: communicate and break the game down to him that he understood.

1224
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 8: That same thing still has to go on. No matter

1225
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 8: who are a quarter who they select that quarterback, they

1226
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 8: better make sure that Kevin, Tommy and everybody is able

1227
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 8: to communicate what exactly they want and explain it in

1228
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 8: a way that he understands that he's not overthinking. On Sunday, I.

1229
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 5: Want to ask real quick one question from your perspective

1230
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 5: as a safety, what was the what were the traits

1231
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 5: of an opposing quarterback that made it harder for you

1232
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 5: to be effective at your job?

1233
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 8: Oh? My goodness, getting that well. The timing thing was

1234
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 8: always interesting because obviously you would have to know the play.

1235
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 8: But if you got a quarterback that is good, that

1236
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 8: understands how to look you off it, maybe not even

1237
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 8: look you because see, I was more of a shoulder

1238
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 8: pad reader. I don't read the eyes. I read the

1239
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 8: shoulder pads. But some quarterbacks know that, Like you get

1240
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 8: those guys that do them no look throws like that

1241
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 8: that's hard to defend, Like you gotta just be honest.

1242
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 8: And obviously, at the end of the day, if they

1243
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 8: got great accuracy and great ball placement, that's the thing

1244
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 8: that's annoying because you be right there, you know it's

1245
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 8: coming and you try to get there, but yet they

1246
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 8: put that ball in the spot that you just can't

1247
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 8: get to. It is the most annoying thing.

1248
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 4: And safety.

1249
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 8: So then it's like, all right, well, let me just

1250
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 8: go for the hit, because to play everything's safe because

1251
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 8: if I go for the interception, I'm gonna miss it

1252
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 8: and the dude's gonna break to a long run.

1253
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 5: So a guy that was accurate, that understood what you

1254
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 5: were trying to do, and was a good decision maker,

1255
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 5: that's probably Those are the toughest things to deal with

1256
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 5: from a defensive.

1257
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 8: Place, and anyone that understands the defense like, all right,

1258
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 8: you can set a disguise.

1259
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 2: But he know what we in like that that's hard

1260
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: to Hey, buddy, thanks for your time, and you probably

1261
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: owe us to thank you because we got your head

1262
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: right on all of this. Yeah, so you're welcome on

1263
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: that side of you got here right, Listen.

1264
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 8: I just wanted to make sure that you too understood

1265
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 8: why fans felt the way they fell. I'm here for

1266
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 8: the people. I'm a man of the people.

1267
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: You're Switzerland. I'm gonna get you. I gotta get you

1268
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 2: some Swiss gear. That's what I'm gonna do for you.

1269
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 2: Next time I see you, I'm gonna get you a

1270
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: big hoodie with a Switzerland flag on it. Good talking

1271
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: to you, Pal.

1272
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 8: I appreciate y'all.

1273
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 10: I'll see y'all later.

1274
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 4: Go Browns.

1275
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Speaker 3: is off of everybody else's when the season ends within

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours, someone inevitably puts out the way too

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Speaker 3: early power poll and power rankings for the following season.

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Speaker 3: ESPN's done it. They've all done it. But we're going

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Speaker 3: off of ESPN. So I have asked you guys your

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01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 3: top twelve in your our rankings, and we'll compare them

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Speaker 3: to ESPN. Who do you have at number one? Nathan Sgura?

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Speaker 5: I gott to pull up my email to the g Man,

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01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 5: but I'm pretty sure I subscribe to without even looking.

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Speaker 5: I subscribe to the Rick Flair philosophy that to be

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Speaker 5: the man, you have to beat the man. And therefore,

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Speaker 5: the number one team on my rankings would be the

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Speaker 5: Philadelphia Eagles, the defending Super Bowl champions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: I would have Philly number one as well. Yeah, you know,

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01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: they just want it. We all just witnessed it. So

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01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: they have Kansas City number one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah I don't. I would have them really sure? Why? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I would have I would have Philly number one on

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Speaker 2: this list.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, next number two lower lower too. There you go, perfect, perfect.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Bo Bishop, do you have a number two Kansas City?

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Speaker 2: Kansas City's two for me, and your one was phil

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01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 2: Philly as well? Yeah, same Kansaity champs. You two have

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01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 2: not seen each other's power.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, So there you go. Both of you

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Speaker 3: are correct. Number two for ESPN. However, the Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 3: all right, number three from Eagles. So the Eagles aren't

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Speaker 3: one and the Eagles aren't two.

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01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: Just bum rushed people the last two times they played people.

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Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, yeah, Philly Casey is my one?

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Speaker 3: Two? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Next number three?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 3: As a girl, who do you have a three?

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Speaker 2: Number three? I've got the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 5: I think they actually were the best overall roster in

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Speaker 5: the AFC, and I think had they played that game

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Speaker 5: against the Bills in a dome, they win and I

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Speaker 5: think they may have gone on to represent the AFC

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Speaker 5: and the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Same ESPN three number three the Detroit Lions. Still no Eagles,

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Speaker 3: that's the Super Bowl champs. Not in the top three.

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Speaker 3: Come on, I mean next number.

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Speaker 2: Four, bo Bishop, Buffalo Buffalo Bill's four.

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Speaker 3: Guys are chalk all the way through. You haven't even talked.

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Speaker 3: I literally in the break and on Monday, by the way,

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Speaker 3: good job, but yeah, yeah, uh. The Eagles committed number

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Speaker 3: four for our from our friends at ESPN. Glad they

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Speaker 3: put the Super Bowl champs fourth. Yeah, next number five.

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Speaker 3: ESPN's got the Ravens at five. Bow Bishop, what do

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Speaker 3: you have at number five? I had Detroit five? Same?

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Speaker 3: What in the blue hell? This is going splendid.

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Speaker 2: Differences coming here? Yeah, but one through five, I think

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Speaker 2: that's the that's it.

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Speaker 3: On to the next one.

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Speaker 1: Number six.

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Speaker 5: Zagorah, my god, I've got the San Francisco forty nine

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Speaker 5: ers the hell out of here.

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01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 2: Great coach. They were so decimated by injuries last year.

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Speaker 2: That's not likely to happen.

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Speaker 5: You both still a good roster they've got They got

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01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 5: between Ayuk and Piersoll and Juwan Jennings, They're plenty good

1353
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 5: at receiver. You've still got Killed, You've got McCaffrey, You've

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01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 5: got Purdy, You've got an excellent defense. I think the

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Speaker 5: Niners are a big bounce back team.

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01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 2: I actually the Niners eight so in the vicinity, and

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01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,479
Speaker 2: they weren't even in the They weren't on their top twelve.

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Speaker 2: They had them eight on mine, number six on me. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is this is where this exercise gets a little

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Speaker 2: bit tough, because I'm also projecting that this team will

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Speaker 2: be active in free agency, and I think they'll answer

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Speaker 2: some of their questions in the draft, and I like

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Speaker 2: what they did in year one. I went Chargers six.

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Speaker 2: I think they get receivers sorted out, they get McConkie,

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Speaker 2: give him some help for Herbert, and I like their

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Speaker 2: roster otherwise. So I had the Chargers six.

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Speaker 3: Ziger, you had the Chargers at number eleven. Yes, the

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Speaker 3: Chargers are eighth in the ESPN poll. ESPN at number

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Speaker 3: six had the Commies, next the Comedy number seven. If

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Speaker 3: you're rewarding the Commies for the season they had, how

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Speaker 3: are you not rewarding the Super Bowl champs and putting

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Speaker 3: them number one? Great question? Yeah, question, give me h Zeguro.

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Speaker 3: What do you got at number seven?

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Speaker 2: I have the Washington Commanders, Oh, Bishop, I have the

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Speaker 2: Commies at nine. I have the Packers at seven.

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Speaker 3: ESPN joins you with the Packers at number seven. Next

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Speaker 3: number eight, number eight in ESPN's power rankings, the Los

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Speaker 3: Angeles Chargers.

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Speaker 2: I wove San Francisco and Nathan.

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Speaker 3: Where'd you go with number eight?

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Speaker 5: The Cincinnati Bengals, Joe Burrow, I think they have just

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Speaker 5: I have them.

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Speaker 2: I think I have them tenth on my list. I

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01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 2: think they have the most difficult offseason in the National

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01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: Football League ahead of them. I think it's the most

1386
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 2: high pressure, tight rope, thread and needle off season. Yes,

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Speaker 2: any team in the league. Yes, your franchise quarterback at

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01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 2: every opportunity is coming out and saying you better sign

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Speaker 2: all these guys. Your ownership does not have a history

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Speaker 2: of doing that. Financially, I don't even think it's possible.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what world Joe's were living in that

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Speaker 2: they could keep all of them. They're not gonna be

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Speaker 2: able to keep all of them. You have jamar Cha

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Speaker 2: is gonna want upwards a forty t Higgins is going

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01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 2: to command upwards a thirty per. Trey Hendricks is going

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01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 2: to be upwards a thirty per. You just can't do it.

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01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 2: And yet if you don't, then what their off season

1398
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 2: is crazy. I think it's the most high pressure in

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Speaker 2: the league. Massive next number nine.

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Speaker 3: ESPN had the Bengals at number nine, zigarro, who' DoD

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Speaker 3: you have at number nine.

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Speaker 5: The Green Bay Packers, which was Bose number seven. I

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01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 5: have watched so we had those inverted inverted, but so

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Speaker 5: far we have there. You have not set a team

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Speaker 5: that I don't have, And I think vice for that

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Speaker 5: could change.

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Speaker 2: Here at the end. Next number ten, Oh, Bishop, I

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Speaker 2: have the Texans ten, same same.

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Speaker 3: The Texans are number eleven in ESPN's power rankings. The

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Speaker 3: Vikings commit at number ten.

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Speaker 2: Houston's got I mean it didn't they they won a

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Speaker 2: playoff game? Didn't they win a playoff game this year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They want to playoff game, won their division, won a

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Speaker 2: playoff game. And the more and more I read about

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01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: what was going on down there from a protection standpoint,

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01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 2: and the lack of trust that CJ had with Slowick.

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Speaker 2: And they missed Nico for a lot of the season.

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Speaker 2: They get him back, get healthy. They have nice young players.

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Speaker 2: I like the Houston operation.

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Speaker 3: Next number eleven. We don't have one Charger that you're good.

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Speaker 3: After I said that, keV, I'm like, I know it

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Speaker 3: only goes up to ten. How Chargers are at eleven?

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Speaker 4: For this is?

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Speaker 2: This is where I have the Chargers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Texans are eleven and bo who.

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01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 2: I had the Bengals eleven, and I just think it's

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01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're gonna be.

1430
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 3: I mean, we talk about some of them going to

1431
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 3: be interesting. The Bengals, yeah, I don't know.

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01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna be good. That Jermaine Burton.

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01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 2: They drafted him to replace Higgins, but they didn't trust

1434
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 2: him at all this year, so like, well he's had

1435
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 2: some serious issues.

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01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you want to know it will be fascinating

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01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 3: at the podium, Zach Taylor in two weeks at the end.

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01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 2: I was he going to respond to firing lou Anarumo?

1439
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 2: I mean, like and the choices that they I don't know,

1440
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: I think they got. They have burrows, so like, if

1441
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: they can get most of this stuff down, they can

1442
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: be in the mix. And nobody would have wanted to

1443
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 2: play him because of him. And again that goes back

1444
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: to the quarterback question.

1445
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 3: But number twelve is the Los Angeles rams for ESPN

1446
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 3: bo Bishop, who do you have?

1447
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: I had ram it?

1448
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 3: All right, Zigura final one.

1449
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 2: Camera. You're calling for a camera. He's calling for a camera.

1450
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 3: A girl wants a camera.

1451
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 2: It's a correct this camera over here there he is

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01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns with their rookie quarterback. Oh baby, back

1453
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 2: to the playoffs. Number twelve.

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01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 3: All right, all right, that's higher or lower?

1455
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: All right, we're doing the we'll continue our tour around

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Speaker 2: the AFC, will do the Miami Dolphins and interesting offseason

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Speaker 2: for them to say the least alman de Slgarow are Goo, Buddy,

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Speaker 2: the program. He is a senior NFL writer at OutKick.

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Speaker 2: He has Armando Selgaro. Just because it's been I hate

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Speaker 2: to even do this. I know you're just it's going

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01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 2: to be so great down there. What's your weather situation

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01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 2: right now? What are you dealing with? Oh my gosh,

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01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 2: so right now you're a glutton for punishment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so right now, it's what like seventy six seventy

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Speaker 4: seven degrees A little overcast.

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Speaker 8: Probably, you know, we're a little sun protected by the clouds.

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Speaker 4: There is a trough coming in.

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Speaker 2: What real quick you said that you are you were

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Speaker 2: protected from? I believe you use the word sun. I

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01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: have three sons. But what is the other definition of sun?

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01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 2: Because we haven't seen that in two months.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that thing yellow golden ball in the that

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01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 6: comes up in the east and.

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Speaker 4: Goes down in the west.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, he's nice. I see him in the summer.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. And when you're laying by your pool, that's the

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01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 6: thing that keeps you warm.

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Speaker 2: You know, well done, Well done, buddy. Hey, great talking

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Speaker 2: to you. What is if you go back to I

1491
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 2: had the Dolphins as a playoff team this year. I

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01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 2: had them as a contender in the AFC East. Obviously

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01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 2: that did not work out. If you could go back,

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Speaker 2: what of this did you for see? If anything, in

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01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 2: terms of everything that happened this year down with the Dolphins, only.

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Speaker 6: One thing and then everything else was kind of surprising.

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Speaker 6: The thing that was easy to foresee was that the

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01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 6: Dolphins paid very little attention to the idea that they

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Speaker 6: needed a viable backup quarterback to come right in and

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Speaker 6: play right away and win games.

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Speaker 4: In short, you know, short spurts, short doses. They didn't

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01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 4: have that.

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Speaker 6: And after Tua tonguea Iloa played all seventeen games in

1504
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three, last year he only played eleven and

1505
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 6: again he had a concussion issue and that was problematic,

1506
01:14:55,560 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 6: and so you know, they didn't have a person to

1507
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 6: put in there to actually bail them out when they

1508
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 6: needed it at the end of the season, as he

1509
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 6: you know you saw in Cleveland because he started against

1510
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 6: the Browns. Tyler Huntley was the quarterback the final two

1511
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 6: weeks of the season.

1512
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 4: He wasn't even on the roster.

1513
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 6: Until I would say midway through the season when they

1514
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 6: realized that Skyler Thompson's not good as a backup quarterback

1515
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 6: and so they had to sign up Baltimore Ravens practice

1516
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:39,520
Speaker 6: squad guy. So it was just that was predictable.

1517
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 4: Everything else was kind of, oh, this too. This is

1518
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 4: also a problem.

1519
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 3: And one of those was by the way.

1520
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 6: Vic Fangio is raising the Lombardi Trophy as the defensive

1521
01:15:55,080 --> 01:16:01,759
Speaker 6: coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles and Miami Dolphin's defensive players

1522
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 6: the year before, hated him, didn't want him around, didn't

1523
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 6: like him, and so That was one of the many

1524
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 6: reasons that Fangio left Miami and went to Philadelphia.

1525
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 5: Do you think that they are going to address that,

1526
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 5: and do you think it comes via the draft or

1527
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 5: free agency that they're going to actually bring in a

1528
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 5: real backup for Tua?

1529
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 4: I think.

1530
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 6: I think you need a veteran, You need someone that

1531
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 6: is ready to play and ready to win, and to

1532
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 6: draft someone like that really isn't going to solve the

1533
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 6: problem because say the issue happens again, Tua gets hurt again,

1534
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 6: what are you doing. You're installing someone with less experience

1535
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 6: and someone who's now learning on the job and hasn't

1536
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 6: released because Tua has been the starter.

1537
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 4: So it has to be a veteran guy. But you see,

1538
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 4: it has to be a special kind of veteran guy.

1539
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:07,480
Speaker 6: It has to be a veteran guy based on my understanding,

1540
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 6: that doesn't necessarily compete with Tua and doesn't necessarily make

1541
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 6: to uncomfortable, which is another story altogether, And so it

1542
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 6: kind of limits your prospects a little bit.

1543
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 2: It limits the field, Yeah, certainly does. Well, let's dig

1544
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 2: in on that last part. Make too uncomfortable?

1545
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 3: How much?

1546
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: How can that be a concern at this stage in

1547
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 2: his career.

1548
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 6: Some guys are just a lot more self confident, and

1549
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 6: almost some of these guys are almost egomaniacal and they

1550
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 6: just don't think anybody can.

1551
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 4: Stay with them. And then other people are not quite

1552
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 4: as confident, I would say.

1553
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 6: And so they need to be reminded that you're our guy.

1554
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 6: It's gonna be fine. Everything's great, we love you, We

1555
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 6: you know this and that. And oh, by the way,

1556
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 6: we're not going to bring in someone that that fans

1557
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 6: will be clamoring for if things don't go well.

1558
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 4: For you in a couple of games.

1559
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 2: What's going on with Tyreek.

1560
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 4: Man? What? You know? Some stories change day to day,

1561
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 4: others change, you know, hour to hour.

1562
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 6: We're down the seconds with Tyreek. Uh, it's like at

1563
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,480
Speaker 6: the end of the season. Obviously, he was very frustrated

1564
01:18:55,479 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 6: because he's looking around and his former team, the Kansas

1565
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 6: City Chiefs, are a team that won fifteen out of

1566
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 6: seventeen regular season games, and they're going to try to

1567
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,879
Speaker 6: win a re you know, a three peat or complete

1568
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 6: a three peat. Meanwhile, he's in Miami losing to the

1569
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,799
Speaker 6: New York Jets the final week of the season.

1570
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 11: I think he got like four targets, and he's like, ah,

1571
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 11: I gotta get you know, out, gone out of here.

1572
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 6: Except that, you know, the wear and the tear of

1573
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 6: the season and the frustration of the game and the

1574
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 6: season eventually kind of died down, and Tyreek figures out

1575
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 6: that if he gets traded, there's no certainty that he's

1576
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 6: going to get traded to a team that's any better

1577
01:19:55,880 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 6: than Miami and possibly worse. Number one, Number two, it's

1578
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 6: hard to make that trade. Number three, it's not gonna

1579
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 6: be Kansas City.

1580
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 4: And so I think he thought better of it.

1581
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 6: He spoke with his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, who walked him

1582
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 6: off the ledge and before he jumped, and so right

1583
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 6: now he's in apologize to the team mode. But you know, we're,

1584
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 6: what three days after the season. Give it some time,

1585
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 6: you know, we've got time. There are things that could happen.

1586
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 4: I do know this.

1587
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 6: If I'm the general manager of the Miami Dolphins and

1588
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 6: I've got a player who is not just thinking about

1589
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 6: wanting out, but actually voicing it, telling.

1590
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 4: Reporters that that it's on his mind. To me, that

1591
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 4: would cause me to go.

1592
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 6: Is this kind of like a front runner situation where

1593
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 6: if things don't go, well, next year we're back in

1594
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 6: the same you know boat, or is this a one

1595
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 6: off where you know he lost his mind and everything's

1596
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 6: gonna be fine. I would have to, as a general manager,

1597
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 6: have to go through that exercise and think, do I

1598
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 6: want this guy on my team knowing that at some

1599
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 6: point he might not want to be on my team?

1600
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 6: Or am I gonna you know, am I gonna try

1601
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 6: to get a couple of draft picks for him?

1602
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: How hot is Mike McDaniel's seat.

1603
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 4: So he needs to win next year?

1604
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 9: Uh?

1605
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 6: You know that is true of every NFL coach, right,

1606
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 6: But he needs to win, and he needs to get

1607
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 6: into the postseason and it needs to happen in a

1608
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 6: certain way. And that the Dolphins have been a bully,

1609
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 6: not in how they play, but in the results that

1610
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 6: they get. They beat the underlings, they beat the lesser

1611
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 6: thans and the also rams. They play good teams and

1612
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 6: get it handed to them.

1613
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 4: Right.

1614
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 6: So, and that is with and without to a tongue.

1615
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 6: Bailoa at quarterback last year, to a was six and

1616
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 6: five in the games that he started, or the team

1617
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 6: was six and five in the games that he started.

1618
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 4: These were his victories.

1619
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 6: Jacksonville New England twice, the Jets, the Raiders, and then

1620
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 6: the Rams. So of all those teams, Jacksonville, New England,

1621
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 6: the Jets, and the Raiders fired their coach. They're in

1622
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:55,719
Speaker 6: the top five or six or seven in the upcoming draft.

1623
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 6: He beat a lot of bad teams. Because the Dolphins

1624
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 6: beat a lot of bad teams. They were one in

1625
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 6: five against teams that were five over five hundred.

1626
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 4: So they need to start producing against superior teams.

1627
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 6: Because Steven Ross, the owner, not too long ago, said

1628
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 6: we want to be in a position where we're competing

1629
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 6: for championships and doing so consistently. And the way to

1630
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 6: do that is not to beat only teams that are

1631
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 6: firing their head coaches.

1632
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,719
Speaker 2: No, no, most certainly that ain't.

1633
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 5: It is not as you said here today, and you

1634
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 5: don't have to give me a player per se, but

1635
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 5: likely direction you think with number thirteen overall.

1636
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 4: Wow, Yeah, that's hard.

1637
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 6: Look, the Dolphins are a team that needs to get

1638
01:23:58,120 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 6: better along the line of scrimmage.

1639
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 4: Period.

1640
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 6: They they they get they get pushed around a lot

1641
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 6: on offense and defense. Their offensive line is suspect. Their

1642
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 6: defensive line was fine, but that was fine because Kaleis Campbell,

1643
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 6: who's five hundred and seventy eight years old, you know,

1644
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 6: was arguably their defensive MVP. It's uncertain whether he will

1645
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,560
Speaker 6: come back for year five hundred and seventy nine, so

1646
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 6: they have to you know, kind of reinforce there as well.

1647
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 6: The bottom line with the Miami Dolphins is they need

1648
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 6: tough people to toughen them up because they are not

1649
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 6: a physical, tough team.

1650
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 2: Armando, real quick, I want to you're a Hall of

1651
01:24:53,479 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 2: Fame voter, right right. What challenge did the new restraint

1652
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 2: have on you guys putting a class together this year?

1653
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 6: Well, it was math, and usually what happens is at

1654
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 6: the end of the near the end of the process,

1655
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 6: you just give it an up or down vote.

1656
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: Uh.

1657
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 6: And typically when guys were at you know, five or

1658
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 6: six guys at the end of it, you know they

1659
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 6: make it because you don't put them through that rigorous

1660
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 6: of a study and then that's the last moment saying nah,

1661
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 6: oh you're good to get out of here. So generally

1662
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 6: that produced classes of six seven guys. But this year

1663
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 6: we didn't have a yes.

1664
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 4: Or no vote.

1665
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 6: It was eighty percent throughout and obviously not a lot

1666
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 6: of guys got eighty percent of the vote.

1667
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. What was one we were surprising.

1668
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,600
Speaker 6: Because when they had Jim Tyrr in there, and you know,

1669
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 6: he had some issues after his career, and and and

1670
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 6: then there was a split on I love the guy,

1671
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 6: but Adam Viniti. You know, when you got a kicker

1672
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 6: in there, people are arguing about that. And then Eli

1673
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 6: Manning that was a whole other argument altogether. So all

1674
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 6: these things added up to a class of four.

1675
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 2: Well, you're always Hall of Fame worthy. Appreciate you, buddy,

1676
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 2: Thanks for your time.

1677
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 4: Yes, going back to my cloud cover now because.

1678
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 2: I swear to God, I swear to God. I was

1679
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 2: looking at flights. I'm looking at flights to South Florida

1680
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 2: for tomorrow, like that's where we're at. Yeah, as well,

1681
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 2: seventy four and all of this stuff. So thank you

1682
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 2: for the ray of sunshine that you are, buddy.

1683
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 4: God bless guys.

1684
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 6: Be well.

1685
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 3: I thank her. He is reminded.

1686
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 2: So Garrow, senior NFL writer at OutKick on the Twisted

1687
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 2: T Hard Iced Tea Hotline.

1688
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 5: They got a lot to figure out where they are. Yeah, yeah,

1689
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 5: I mean just across the board. It's tough right now

1690
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 5: when this it all starts a quarterback. That's all starts

1691
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 5: a quarterback to stay healthy.

1692
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, that's where it is. Yeah, it starts there,

1693
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 2: all right, So much more to come. You listen to

1694
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1695
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:39,040
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1697
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1698
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Speaker 2: Sheees so much more to common. I need so much

1699
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 2: more to cot been more true. I mean that I

1700
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 2: feel like we're on that every time where that we

1701
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,639
Speaker 2: want that to be like a minute, like a minute

1702
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 2: and a half. Yeah, and then kem hits me with

1703
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 2: the three minutes three minutes I got, I got nothing.

1704
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm keeping you guys on track. That's what I'm doing,

1705
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 2: you see. I mean how many how many hours of

1706
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 2: the of talking. I feel like I'm done, I've done

1707
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 2: my quota out.

1708
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 3: You get nothing and like it's Spaulding the next level next.

1709
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just I don't know sort it out.

1710
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 2: I think we've done everything. Look at this guy right here,

1711
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 2: everything that you need.

1712
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 3: Have careful driving home tonight, getting home, and I see

1713
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 3: it out there, it's already started.

1714
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 2: I see it's snowing out there. There's some kind of preset.

1715
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 2: It's thirty one degrees, which means the worst stretch too.

1716
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 2: He is the worst stretch of winter we've had since

1717
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 2: I've lived in Ohio. I feel very confident about.

1718
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 3: A few minutes. Arnold's like, you got another hour, keep going.

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Speaker 2: I'm out of ideas. Job guys, real quick, real quick.

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01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 3: It's still going to miss a lot of time.

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Speaker 5: By the way, trade, I implore you right to watch

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Speaker 5: Severance and The Push. Some people have said, you know,

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Speaker 5: the first couple of episodes are a little so stick

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01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,560
Speaker 5: with it. The finale of season one was one of

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01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 5: the most riveting episodes of television I have ever seen

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Speaker 5: in my life.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not trying. That's not hyperbole, Okay, I literally

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01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 2: this is not a joke.

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Speaker 5: I said, we watch the Way Anything anything, you get

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01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 5: so excited that you give that and then I know

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01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 5: something's gonna no nothing to be very care Normally, we

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Speaker 5: sit and we have our our couch has actually a

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01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 5: reclining like love seat in it, so we sit in

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01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 5: that together and our sofa, so I'm always reclined. For

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Speaker 5: the last twenty minutes of this unreclined and was sitting

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01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 5: on the edge of the seats like this.

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Speaker 2: Not kidding, that's how people watch the YouTube stream on

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01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 2: this show. And you say same exactly literally on the

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01:29:56,520 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 2: edge of your seat, quite literally literally. I got goose goosebumps.

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Speaker 2: It was queued up last night and then we had

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Speaker 2: pukethon so stick with we were coming. It was coming.

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Speaker 2: The first shows are kind of be like, what is

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01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 2: going on?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 3: It's good?

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01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: People made it enough smart people have told me it's great,

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01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 2: like it's nominally for fourteen Emmys. Yeah, so I'm good.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, the best part is the people

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Speaker 5: who actually watched the finale in real time had to

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Speaker 5: wait over two years to find.

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Speaker 2: Out what's coming.

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Speaker 6: Time.

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Speaker 2: I can run it. I'm gonna watch it tonight. Tonight

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Speaker 2: You're gonna run it right into it and I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: All right, next levels next, Be safe out there, kids.

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