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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young mother still breastfeeding,

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Speaker 1: heroin that it was an overdose, but her family is

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Speaker 1: about the toxicology report. There is heroine in her system.

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Speaker 1: So how exactly did Christina die leaving behind a child

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Speaker 1: still breastfeeding? I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and

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Speaker 1: Sirius XM one eleven take a listen to our friends

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Speaker 1: at crime online dot com. Just after ten am on

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Speaker 1: September twenty ninth, Chase and Harris called, asking his neighbor

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Speaker 1: days before. In that instance, Jason Harris asked his neighbor

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Speaker 1: to see if his wife's vehicle was still in the driveway.

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Speaker 1: He was afraid his wife, Christina, had overslept. The neighbor

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Speaker 1: September twenty ninth. The neighbor again went to the door,

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Speaker 1: which was unlocked. Christina Harris was in bed with the

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Speaker 1: The neighbor went back and Christina was cold to the touch, stiff,

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Speaker 1: An all star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: know now? First of all, Matthew Mangino, former elected district attorney,

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Speaker 1: now private lawyer and author of The Executioner's Toll. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologists joining us specializing in crimes of

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Speaker 1: this nature her book Criminal Behavior and Where Law and

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Speaker 1: Psychology Intersect. Justin Boordman, former Special Victims Unit Detective West

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Speaker 1: Valley and author of I Was Wrong an investigator's battle

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Speaker 1: cry for change within the SVU. Doctor Michelle Dupree, medical examiner,

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Speaker 1: forensic pathologist, detective and author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide.

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Speaker 1: But first to Karen Drew special guests joining US TV

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Speaker 1: news anchor investigative reporter with w d I, VTV NBC.

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Speaker 1: Karen Thay, thank you so much for being with us. Karen.

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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our cut one,

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Speaker 1: who is Christina Harris. Christina and Thompson and Jason Harris

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Speaker 1: were married for eleven years, but they had been a

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Speaker 1: and family game night and being a stay at home mom.

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Speaker 1: She was still breastfeeding and stalking a freezer full of

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Speaker 1: milk for her infant. The little girl was just eight

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine to you, Karen Drew. I remember

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Speaker 1: What was her toxicology report? Heroin? That is what investigators

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Speaker 1: found Nancy, that there was haroin in her system. And

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Speaker 1: begging them to test the breast milk. They won't do it.

427
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: But wait, wait, wait, now, listen to this. Take a list.

428
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: An hour cut four from Crime Online, Sheila Coop told

429
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: police that on one occasion, she saw Christie Harris run

430
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: out of her home visibly upset, sobbing. Harris told her

431
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: that Jason Harris was cheating and her newborn was just

432
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: two weeks old. Other family and friends also thought Jason

433
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: Harris was seeing other femine. Nearly five thousand, nine hundred

434
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: texts were found to a woman from Providence, Rhode Island.

435
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: There were also emails and pictures sent to several other women.

436
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: Nine days after Christina died, Jason Harris bought a plane

437
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: ticket to go visit the woman in Providence. Not long

438
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: after that, a woman and her daughter moved in with

439
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: Jason Harris in the home where Christina had died. What

440
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: more will it take to put a fire under the

441
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: rear ends of the police. A woman moves into the

442
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: home right after Christina dies and brings her order two.

443
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: They didn't know that Karen Drew. Oh, folks knew that, Nancy.

444
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: I mean again, this is a small town. People know

445
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: what's going on. And she moved in and the kids

446
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 1: are in the house, and it just seems strange, no

447
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: matter what, like what's going on. So yes, lots of

448
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: people were. I talked to two of the neighbors and

449
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: they were They were very upset. It seemed very strange.

450
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: The sisters were mad. They didn't know what was going on.

451
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: But you know, it's not illegal to move someone into

452
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: your house, so you know, there was no action from police.

453
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: It took two years, two years after the heroin overdose

454
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: before anybody finally got around to testing that breast milk.

455
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: Now you know, another woman has moved into the home

456
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: with her children, so I doubt very seriously that the

457
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: new girlfriend would keep the ex wife's breast milk in

458
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: the freezer. Wait a minute. Thank a listen to our

459
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: cut F W d Ivy. Two years after the medical

460
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: examiner ruled her death an accidental overdose, a key piece

461
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: of evidence was found at her parents' house. Police were

462
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: able to secure three plastic packages of Christina Harris's frozen

463
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: breast milk that were placed in a cooler. All three

464
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: of those were submitted to the Michigan State Police crime lab.

465
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: In each instance, no controlled substance was detected. So then,

466
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: how did heroine get into her system? Take a listen

467
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: to more from Michigan State Police. You believe Jason Harris

468
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 1: murdered his wife. We believe he put heroin into her

469
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: cereal and milk the night that she died. Now take

470
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: a listen to cut c Stephanie Park, NBC twenty five.

471
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: One of his co workers actually claims that Jason Harris

472
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: first tried to hire him to kill his wife, but

473
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: that co worker said no. In court today, this man

474
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: said he thought that this was all just set out

475
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: of frustration. That was until he found out Christina, who

476
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: had just had a baby, was found dead at the

477
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: home she shared with the Jason Harris. He had asked

478
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: me if I would do it, and he told me

479
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: he would be able to pay me out of a

480
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: life insurance policy she had. That shocking question came from

481
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: Zacharias Shustock's boss. Jason Harris was his supervisor at work

482
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: at the time. Shusto thought it was just Jason venting,

483
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: but the odd questions continued. I knew of anything that

484
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: would put her to sleep, Shustock says. Jason kept asking

485
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: for pills. He asked me if I knew of any

486
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: that were tasteless or that she would not know of

487
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: being put inside something she was going to eat or drink.

488
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: Shustock knew Jason was struggling in his marriage because he

489
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: would complain a lot to him. He was just saying

490
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: that Christie, I wasn't wanting to go back to work,

491
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: that he believed the child they had wasn't his, and

492
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: as she was just laying around the house, not doing anything,

493
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: and he was just getting tired of it. Okay, it

494
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: just takes me a minute to hear that, because you know,

495
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: I laid around the house too, right after I nearly

496
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: died during childbirth and didn't really feel like doing anything.

497
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: So his answer is to kill her because she didn't

498
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: want to go back to work? Who is this person?

499
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Karen Drew joining us w

500
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: d IV. Who is this guy? Six thousand texts messages

501
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: to other women? Wants to have his wife killed because

502
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: she's laying around the house and won't go back to work.

503
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: Is this her second child? She's still breastfeeding? Who is

504
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: this guy? You know, nobody can figure him out? He

505
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: really is? I mean, she is this loving doughty mother.

506
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: She's breastfeeding. He's I'm a law backcass, that's the technical

507
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: legal term, a complete horses rear and and another thing.

508
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: Let's get off him for a moment. Let me hop

509
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: back on the police. Two years passed, Time passes, so

510
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: Matthew Mangino joining me, former elected DA Lawrence County now

511
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: private attorney and author of the executioners told Matthew it

512
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: took a civil lawsuit, statute of limitations running ending before

513
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: the place got off their rear ends. What happened? Matthew

514
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: explain it now, Really it's a clever way to gather

515
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: evidence in escape. The suit was filed, and I'm sure

516
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: through discovery they were able to obtain information about people

517
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: that he was communicating with. Other women, you know, emails,

518
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: all this sort of thing that would help them begin

519
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: to build a case, you know, circumstantially, you know, here's

520
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: a mode of here's a reason why he would want

521
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: to kill his wife. And then you know, some of

522
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: these other pieces began to come together as the state

523
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: police got involved in this investigation, and they they very

524
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, fundamentally built a case based on information that

525
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: they were able to obtain from the defendant in a

526
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: civil lossuit. It's a clever maneuver. And I heard you

527
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: say a reason to kill her, So I guess you're

528
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: saying that the wife laying around and that's with air

529
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: quotes after giving birth was a reason for murder. Okay,

530
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: before I tear you to shreds on that, Matthew Mangino,

531
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: here's a good comparison. Who can forget the Oja Simpson

532
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: murder trial. Remember how much more we found out in

533
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: the civil case, How that was his Bruno Molly footprint

534
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: at the crime scene in blood, How he failed his

535
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: polygraph with another I think a negative forty something. Just

536
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: so much more came out in the civil case than

537
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: we learned in the criminal case. That's exactly what happened. Here,

538
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: but in the reversed order, Nancy, because yeah, that's right,

539
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: simseluent and trial criminally first. Right. They come after a

540
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: criminal case because there's a conviction. It's much easier to

541
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: prove what you have to The burden of proof is

542
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: much less in the civil case. But here we have

543
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: it used. And that's why I say it's clever. They

544
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: used it in a different way. They used it to

545
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: accumulate evidence to prosecute a criminal kit. They did take

546
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut ge, our friend Karen Drew

547
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: wdiv on that civil lawsuit. Christie's family filed a wrongful

548
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: death lawsuit, so Jason was deposed under oath. Let's start

549
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: with another woman he admitted being in contact with during

550
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: his marriage to Christie. You sent sexual messages to her. Yes,

551
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: you just close this at some point to your wife, Yes,

552
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: when did you just close it? To Christie? As soon

553
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: as she asked about him, She asked what the number was,

554
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: and I told her. Harris also admitted what he said

555
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: about divorcing Christie. He came up as an option for

556
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: the whole theory of living in a perfect world. He

557
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: was questioned about money problems in his marriage. What was

558
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: the reason for filing bankruptcy because we were well over

559
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: our head, And then asked about hiring a hitman to

560
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: kill his wife. Did you ever request that mister Shustock

561
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: kill your wife? You know? And if he said that

562
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: you did, he's either lying or mistaken. Now he'd be lying. Oh,

563
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: I love it when the Finnish do that. Everybody's line,

564
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: but VM they're the only person telling the truth. Take

565
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: a list to more from Kara jur w dvr cut H.

566
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: The forty four year old father also talked about what

567
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: happened inside is Davison home while the couple's two children

568
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: slept the night before his wife died. When you went

569
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: to bed that night, you were concerned that anything was wrong.

570
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: So did you notice anything out of the ordinary? Rather

571
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: than her thought asleep? When pumping, she got hungry. I

572
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: made her up a bowl of cereal, so she asked

573
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: for Harris left early for work the next day, and

574
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: when you left, she was life correct. A neighbor then

575
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: found his wife dead in her bed after Jason called

576
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: that neighbor asking her to check on Christie. At that time,

577
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: Christie's death was ruled an accidental overdose. You had nothing

578
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: to do with your wife death right? Correct? Right? Okay,

579
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: So Kara dre joining me WDIVTV investigative reporter. So the

580
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: working theory is that he put heroin in her cereal,

581
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: he made her the night before. Yeah, that is that

582
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: was the theory that was going you know, That's what

583
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: the prosecutor believed. And there was some digging from the

584
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: sisters as they were trying to get that information from

585
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: the civil lawsuit, because they were knocking on doors and

586
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: talking talking to neighbors and talking to co workers, and

587
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: there was some word out on the street that he

588
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: was unhappy in his marriage, and he was talking to

589
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: some folks who were known to deal drugs and things

590
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: like that. So that was kind of the pieces that

591
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: they were trying to put together that they thought he

592
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: literally put heroin in her cereal. So is it true

593
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: that he would proposition people at work to be a hitman?

594
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: Can you believe that? I mean, we always talk about

595
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: dumb criminals, but I mean that that was the case.

596
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: They had two individuals from his work take the stand

597
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: and talk about how he won complain about his wife,

598
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: and then a second one he was looking for a hitman,

599
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: and then a third he was trying to get drugs,

600
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: and there was some situation where he did some I

601
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: was a clunic pin or some type of drug that

602
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: he did. Initially tried, there was a weird taste she

603
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: was eating. It was a weird taste, so she didn't

604
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: finish whatever he tried the first time. And then when

605
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: he went back and talked to the guy at work,

606
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: there was just even this guy was like, this guy's

607
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: a little crazy. I don't want anything to do with

608
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: him right now, So he stopped helping him out with

609
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: his plot. What's amazing to me is that the coworkers

610
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: just never said anything. He got a guy trying to

611
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: hire a hit man, and isn't it true that he

612
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: bragged he hired another hitman for five thousand dollars and

613
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: the hit man was doing surveillance and got caught with

614
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: a gun and sent back to jail because he was

615
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: on for all and he bragged it out that at work. Yes, Hi,

616
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: here's a hit man. Guy gets busted with a gun

617
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: right there. Now, we gotta and feel free from the

618
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: police stand when I gotta be like, okay, what's going

619
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: on here? I mean, we've got so much stuff going on.

620
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: Clearly somebody is trying to do something to their wife.

621
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you had to interview that guy, but I

622
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: don't think get it. I don't get it, and I

623
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: want to go straight out to our shrink joining us.

624
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: And I say that in a loving, caring way, Doctor

625
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz, Doctor Sherry. People just sit by and listen

626
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: to a guy soliciting for a hitman to kill his wife,

627
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: and they do nothing, and then she pops up dead

628
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: and they still do nothing. Well, we know that this

629
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: happens more frequently than we care to talk about. I

630
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 1: think a lot of times, you know, people think, oh,

631
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: this guy's just crazy, he's not really going to do it,

632
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: he's not serious, he's just talking nonsense. And then you

633
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: have the other guy who's giving away or selling klonopin.

634
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: That's somebody who's highly unlikely to go to the police,

635
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: right because they're engaging in criminal behavior. They don't want

636
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: to be detected. Where did he work, Karen Drew? You know,

637
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember the name of the facility, but it

638
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: was like a man it was kind of like a

639
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: manufacturing factory kind of environment. Okay, in case you're wondering

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Speaker 1: whether he got away with it, take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our cut b our friend, Karen Drew wiv the jury

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Speaker 1: didn't believe your lies and now only finally exposed for

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Speaker 1: the selfish, murdering, lying monster that you are. Judge David

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Speaker 1: Knublen did not hold back on what he thought about

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Speaker 1: Jason Harris and his plot to kill his wife, Christy

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Speaker 1: Thompson Harris and cash in on her one hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars life insurance. What you wanted, all the

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Speaker 1: stuff you sacrificed your daughters, but you took away their mother.

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Speaker 1: That's the first thing you did. You took away their mother.

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Speaker 1: Forty seven year old Harris was found guilty of a

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Speaker 1: murder plot that involved Harris lacing his wife's cereal with heroin,

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Speaker 1: causing her death. Christie was a mother of two. It

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Speaker 1: was a breast milk that would prove she was not

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Speaker 1: doing drugs and was poisoned by her own husband. To

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Speaker 1: Karen Drew Special Guests joining us to d I VTV,

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Speaker 1: where is this poc another technical legal term. Jason Harris Now, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's behind bars, sentenced to life in prison that he

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Speaker 1: stays there. I can't even put into words. I've covered

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Speaker 1: a lot of court cases, and as a reporter, you

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Speaker 1: normally you sound from you know, when somebody takes the

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Speaker 1: stand and talks about that judge. I had never heard

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Speaker 1: of judge go off on an individual more than this judge.

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Speaker 1: And he summed it up. You wanted all the stuff.

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Speaker 1: You wanted her one hundred thousand dollar life and insurance policy,

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Speaker 1: you wanted to buy a car with that, you wanted

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Speaker 1: to have an affair. You just wanted some stuff, and

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Speaker 1: then you left your two kids without a mom, and

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Speaker 1: you have the shoulder now, Karen Well, I hate to

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Speaker 1: say now they're in a fight with guardianship because when

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Speaker 1: this is all going on, when Jason was pulled out,

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Speaker 1: you know, when they were in court, his parents were

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Speaker 1: watching the children, and Christie's parents obviously want to have

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Speaker 1: the children. But that's why they're remaining quiet. And I

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Speaker 1: knew they wanted to talk on this podcast. But they

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Speaker 1: have to do everything they can to try to make

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Speaker 1: sure they do every single thing right to win one

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Speaker 1: percent guardianship of those kids. So they're in the process

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Speaker 1: of that right now. The twelve year old one of

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Speaker 1: the children is twelve right now. They read her statement

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Speaker 1: in court. It was chilling. I mean she basically said, Dad,

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Speaker 1: you lied to me, you killed my mom, and the

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Speaker 1: children don't want anything to do with him. All I

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Speaker 1: can say is Jason Harris rot in Hell, of course,

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Speaker 1: and to the SI Correctional Institute where he is housed.

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Speaker 1: Don't let him work in the cafeteria. Nancy Grace Crime Story,

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Speaker 1: signing off good byes,