Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama, Girl, all about them.
Speaker 2: High school queens.
Speaker 1: We'll take you for a ride, and our comic girl
Speaker 1: shared for the right teams.
Speaker 2: Drama, Queens of girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you
Speaker 2: could sit with us.
Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drahma, Queens
Speaker 1: Drama Queens.
Speaker 3: I feel like at the top, it's worth noting that
Speaker 3: I like barely finished this episode because I was dealing
Speaker 3: with high school sports stuff and it felt very meta.
Speaker 3: It felt very one Tree Hill.
Speaker 2: How are you dealing with high school sports stuff?
Speaker 3: Because my son plays on a high school team. He's
Speaker 3: a novice. They bump up the eighth graders, and so
Speaker 3: Gus is so us because there's bullying going on with
Speaker 3: the upperclassmen and Gus this week was.
Speaker 4: Like not today, not today.
Speaker 3: He's like Nathan Scott, we only believe in positive leadership.
Speaker 2: Now there you go.
Speaker 3: And I just love how this show infant rds every
Speaker 3: corner of our life still the time.
Speaker 5: It's amazing all the time.
Speaker 2: Well, on that note, why don't we get started? Season six,
Speaker 2: episode twenty one, A Kiss to Build a Dream on
Speaker 2: air date April twenty seventh, two thousand and nine. This
Speaker 2: episode's synopsis is Peyton and Lucas take a trip in
Speaker 2: the comet in the past, and she struggles with the
Speaker 2: boredom of being stuck in bed as a pregnant woman
Speaker 2: tip a call. We also have Brooke discovering something that
Speaker 2: could change Sam's life, that absolutely will change Sam's life.
Speaker 2: Nathan questions his dreams of playing in the NBA, while
Speaker 2: Hayley receives an unexpected offer from who. Jamie and Skills
Speaker 2: Men their broken hearts at Jamie's first school dance. I
Speaker 2: loved this sequel and Lucas and Peyton remember they remember
Speaker 2: a memorable road trip they took together after high school.
Speaker 3: I love remembering memorable both things.
Speaker 5: Memories.
Speaker 3: I liked this episode. I didn't take notes because I
Speaker 3: was just like, I'm just gonna watch it. I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna watch it to just watch it and not make
Speaker 3: it a homework assignment. And I liked that everyone had
Speaker 3: real storyline that felt good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this felt like such an eighties movie to me.
Speaker 2: The whole episode was like a fun eighties movie, especially
Speaker 2: with the flashbacks and with the Skills at the school
Speaker 2: dance and all the literally what do you call it,
Speaker 2: the tinsel hanging on the walls, all those shots with
Speaker 2: them in this school dance environment. There was so much
Speaker 2: about this I really enjoyed.
Speaker 4: I'm seeing Erica Dunton directed it, Oh did she?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Erica was a staple. Her dad, Joe.
Speaker 3: Dunton, owned the camera house in Wilmington where we got
Speaker 3: all of our cameras from. They are like icons in
Speaker 3: the camera industry, and Erica was a director who was
Speaker 3: like our age and we might have been one of
Speaker 3: her first directing credits for TV. She does all sorts
Speaker 3: of huge now I want to say she does like
Speaker 3: Ted Lasso, like big stuff.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 5: I loved some of those classic choices you're referencing, like that,
Speaker 5: the dynamic of skills in Jamie. These two boys kind
Speaker 5: of pushing each other to be courageous, you know, across
Speaker 5: a generational line was so cute to me. And when
Speaker 5: they decided to go to the dance and it smash
Speaker 5: cut to them in slow motion walking out of the
Speaker 5: apartment through the halls, it was so good. Yeah, it
Speaker 5: was like twenty one Jump Street but better. I loved it.
Speaker 3: She understands that dynamic of drama and comedy and sometimes
Speaker 3: like heightened reality. And I think that's what was playing
Speaker 3: really well, is she's just got a really good sense
Speaker 3: of storytelling.
Speaker 2: Is It's a fine line, isn't it, between drama and comedy.
Speaker 2: You know, it seems like people think of it as
Speaker 2: two separate genres, but it's there's so many comedic moments
Speaker 2: in the middle of deep, heavy emotion. I feel like
Speaker 2: always these so much of it is so connected that
Speaker 2: you're you're on the cusp of either one at any
Speaker 2: given moment. So it's a really natural flow when a
Speaker 2: director understands that part of humanity and is able to
Speaker 2: convey it in an effective way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a good chick and very British, you know.
Speaker 3: I like a British sensibility brought to Tree Hill. We
Speaker 3: needed more of that.
Speaker 4: It just felt so big.
Speaker 3: I feel like we were all over town, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the locations on this were bananas because we were in Trick,
Speaker 3: we were in close over Bros. We were at Flame
Speaker 3: and Amy's, we were at edge of Urge, the basketball set.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was on stage or if
Speaker 3: that was a you know, lany where we were at
Speaker 3: the College Trass Coliseum for that, Yeah, I mean we
Speaker 3: were all around town.
Speaker 2: And the flashback that was large too also because it
Speaker 2: was back in time, that was all over the fricking place. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a big episode for sure. I loved that.
Speaker 2: Though we've got all these different little pockets of storylines,
Speaker 2: Let's start with Lucas and Peyton.
Speaker 5: I love the dynamic. I love getting to see, you know,
Speaker 5: Peyton have a sort of hurdle in front of her
Speaker 5: that isn't tragedy. It's so nice to have a good
Speaker 5: time with you, Hill, and the sort of comedic sense
Speaker 5: of being trapped and bored is just fun. Like the
Speaker 5: jump cuts with you and the Big Bear and the
Speaker 5: paper planes and all the things like you just you
Speaker 5: can feel that feeling of stuckness, and it's sweet that it's,
Speaker 5: you know, wrapped in this romance. Like I love getting
Speaker 5: to see Peyton and Lucas happy. I like seeing him
Speaker 5: working on the car. I love the way you played
Speaker 5: that beat in the beginning of like You're making me
Speaker 5: a present?
Speaker 4: What is it like?
Speaker 5: You don't know, I don't know. It was just all
Speaker 5: so enjoyable to watch.
Speaker 3: Thanks well, yeah, Chad and I had hit a rhythm
Speaker 3: at that point, you know. I mean, we knew each
Speaker 3: other pretty well, and I think I liked to tease
Speaker 3: him a lot in real life. I was always just like,
Speaker 3: you love me, and he was always just like, what
Speaker 3: was like, dude, you fucking love me? You think I'm
Speaker 3: the coolest, And that was I love teasing him about that.
Speaker 3: I think I still do. I think anytime I see Chad,
Speaker 3: I'm just like, you have missed me. That's just kind
Speaker 3: of the dynamic of our relationship. So teasing is a
Speaker 3: good bassline for any Lucas Peyton stuff because it was
Speaker 3: really easy to play on. I watched six six twenty
Speaker 3: one back to back, so I just watched myself in
Speaker 3: a car crash and then it goes to this light stuff.
Speaker 4: So I have whiplash right now. I'm like, but I
Speaker 4: do like.
Speaker 3: I learned stuff in this episode with Peyton and Lucas.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that Peyton submitted his book to all
Speaker 3: these publishers.
Speaker 4: I thought it here, no, right, she.
Speaker 3: Thuds Haley with the song in this episode, and then
Speaker 3: we see a flashback of her thudding Lucas, and so
Speaker 3: that one thud he did back in season one created
Speaker 3: a domino effect.
Speaker 5: Hey, your art mattered.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying for those of you out there, thud
Speaker 3: your friends, it's real.
Speaker 4: It's a great time.
Speaker 5: You know what else I really liked about the flashback
Speaker 5: device with you two. I liked feeling like we got
Speaker 5: to go back in time a little bit and see
Speaker 5: you so happy because the move to La obviously we know,
Speaker 5: as this big sort of schism in your relationship, like
Speaker 5: it basically almost destroyed everything. And to see how excited
Speaker 5: they were laying on that car on the precipice of
Speaker 5: this shit, and that Peyton is talking about how she's
Speaker 5: got all her dreams wrapped up in this boy and
Speaker 5: she's going to hold him to all of his promises
Speaker 5: and they're going to get married and have a family.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my god, I didn't know she
Speaker 5: said that to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the same. And I loved it how far you
Speaker 2: guys went when everything fell apart. I love seeing where
Speaker 2: you are now and the space that you lived in
Speaker 2: before everything fell apart and you found your way back,
Speaker 2: like there was there was something kind of heartening about watching.
Speaker 2: I think Nathan is kind of going through the same
Speaker 2: thing too, of thinking about old dreams and living in
Speaker 2: a place in the future of like I'm still I'm
Speaker 2: still working on this dream and they're just working on
Speaker 2: it in different ways. Haley too.
Speaker 5: That was really powerful dialogue. It was such a simple thing,
Speaker 5: but you know when people use language so well and
Speaker 5: the words really mean what they mean, not like it
Speaker 5: was the worst or it was, but like you really
Speaker 5: like when when you guys are having that conversation when
Speaker 5: Nathan and Haley are talking about, you know, should he
Speaker 5: take the offer that's real or hold on to this
Speaker 5: fantasy that isn't yet and he says the thing about
Speaker 5: maybe he should let go of the fantasy, and you say,
Speaker 5: it's not a fantasy, it's your dream.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: That's really powerful language. And I thought that was such
Speaker 5: a great choice. You know, Karen Gist wrote this episode,
Speaker 5: and I thought that was such a wise observation to
Speaker 5: make out loud, and it's something that you could so
Speaker 5: easily miss if you weren't listening, and I just loved it.
Speaker 5: You know, to have someone who tells you not to
Speaker 5: give up on your dreams, to have someone who tells
Speaker 5: you there they're going to be there with you, it's
Speaker 5: really powerful because you can choose.
Speaker 2: You can change your mind about a dream, but to
Speaker 2: call it a fantasy and say it's not realistic, it'll
Speaker 2: never happen. Yeah, I don't like it. I think you
Speaker 2: got to You gotta keep keep going.
Speaker 3: Well, especially as how old are these characters. What are
Speaker 3: we supposed to be like twenty four? Do I need
Speaker 3: to let my dream go? No, bitches, We're in our forties,
Speaker 3: still pursuing things.
Speaker 4: Keep going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a question, I'm a very important question.
Speaker 2: How long did it take to make that paper airplane
Speaker 2: catch work at that Dour in the opening?
Speaker 4: I think that was a happy accident, was it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was just supposed to throw them at him. I
Speaker 3: think that was a happy You know, Chad loves sports.
Speaker 2: It was a football catch with an airplane.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm just saying art. It was so great,
Speaker 3: so many arts and crafts in this episode, Between Brooks
Speaker 3: doodling and Peyton's planes.
Speaker 4: And Hailey singing songs, we were.
Speaker 2: Just Victorian art shredding paper.
Speaker 3: I guys, I wow, Toria and San Sam.
Speaker 5: I did too.
Speaker 4: And I feel like such a trader, but I love.
Speaker 5: It, by the way I should. I should feel like
Speaker 5: a trader, And I think it's so good. And one
Speaker 5: of my favorite things Daphne does is the fact that
Speaker 5: she calls Sam by her full name, Samantha. I like Samantha.
Speaker 5: She's plucky and dark.
Speaker 4: Such a great lie.
Speaker 3: And by the way, that made my hair raise up
Speaker 3: because I was like, plucky and dark Peyton sores plucky
Speaker 3: and darkenings right her.
Speaker 5: Well, she never liked Brook either, damn it.
Speaker 3: She's Yeah, it's interesting to watch her maneuver with Sam
Speaker 3: because you don't know if she's doing it to stick
Speaker 3: it to Brook. You know, is this like a Dan
Speaker 3: Scott move? Remember when Dan had had Lucas move in
Speaker 3: to piss Nathan off. Yeah, it's like, is this a
Speaker 3: Dan Scott move? Or she's just genuinely curious about this
Speaker 3: little animal who's so abrasive with her, Like maybe if
Speaker 3: Brooke had given it back as a teenager and sassed
Speaker 3: off to her mom instead of trying to be pleasing,
Speaker 3: things would have been different. You know. She when she
Speaker 3: asks Sam, how did you weasel your way into my
Speaker 3: daughter's life? And she's like, well, I shoplifted and then
Speaker 3: I had her assaulted and then she found me in
Speaker 3: a car.
Speaker 2: Loved it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really well done. Their dynamic is so good
Speaker 5: and this sort of intergenerational like buddy comedy they're doing
Speaker 5: matches the Skills and Jamie and it's just I just
Speaker 5: love it.
Speaker 2: It is a buddy comedy for the girls. That's so true, but.
Speaker 5: It's a buddy comedy done like Wednesday, like the Adams Family.
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, dark and strange and like it's
Speaker 5: just the two of them are so funny as themes
Speaker 5: to the episode. And I also really loved that in
Speaker 5: all of the things they rightfully wrote for me to
Speaker 5: be enraged about, like you're manipulating a child and you
Speaker 5: shredded these letters and how dare you? And this isn't
Speaker 5: your place and you know all of it the wound
Speaker 5: just like you just had Hillary of Like but that's
Speaker 5: Peyton and Victoria never liked her. It's like, you're gonna
Speaker 5: take this little girl who you called a street urchin
Speaker 5: shopping and I'm your child and you never took me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love that some of our like wounded teenage girls
Speaker 5: are popping out. In response to seeing Victoria be kind.
Speaker 4: Your delivery of that line hurt me. I was like,
Speaker 4: oh god, I feel that she never took me shopping.
Speaker 2: It's a complicated dynamic. I mean, the mother daughter is
Speaker 2: always complicated. But yeah, thinking about how competitive Victoria's been,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a tough sell for Victoria to
Speaker 2: be wanting to be seen as genuine and actually investing
Speaker 2: in Sam's life and trying to make amends when we
Speaker 2: know there's been so much in her past. That's like
Speaker 2: just being competitive with Brooke. It's in a really creepy way,
Speaker 2: like why are you competitive with your own child? It's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with all of her one liners, right, I'm just
Speaker 3: wondering if young Victoria wasn't more like Sam, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like, it's really easy for women as
Speaker 3: we get older to see complicated young people and tolerate
Speaker 3: their tomfoolery because we're like, oh man, I was like that,
Speaker 3: Like I love a duff teenage chick. Every time I
Speaker 3: meet one, I'm like, hey, kid, come over here, you
Speaker 3: can talk to me.
Speaker 4: I think that there's a softness for.
Speaker 3: Kids that are open about their problems, you know, and
Speaker 3: Brooke always presented so like I fine, I fine, everything's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm the most popular, I'm the prettiest, I'm the most
Speaker 3: you know, like Yeah, that could have been off putting
Speaker 3: to poor Brook's mother, Oh the hurt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting because when Victoria behaves in her usual
Speaker 5: way in this episode, Sam calls her out on it.
Speaker 5: So this, you know, this motherless child is mothering my
Speaker 5: mother essentially, And at the same time, there's something about
Speaker 5: Sam that's clearly making Victoria want to do over. And
Speaker 5: the way they manage to see each other, you know,
Speaker 5: Sam encourages her not to be so mean, and Victoria,
Speaker 5: in her own way, encourages Sam not to be defined
Speaker 5: by her past. And within this container you do see
Speaker 5: Victoria trying to get to Brook the way she compliments
Speaker 5: my work and then walks over to Sam, who immediately
Speaker 5: ribs her for it, like nice chip at the wall,
Speaker 5: you know, as she gets defensive.
Speaker 3: Guys, it's just occurring to me that Brooks whole fixation
Speaker 3: with Sam, and like Julian, who also says shitty things
Speaker 3: to her, is that she's conditioned by her mother wound
Speaker 3: to be drawn to people who say abrasive, shitty things
Speaker 3: to her.
Speaker 4: And Sam's just the youngest.
Speaker 3: Of all of them, right, and Sam is still malleable
Speaker 3: and able to turn her sittiness into vulnerability and honesty.
Speaker 3: But Brooke Davis is drawn to people who are quote unquote.
Speaker 2: Frank Yeah, well, of course she is because her mother's
Speaker 2: so manipulative, like you never feel like she would never
Speaker 2: feel like she has a safe space. She's got to
Speaker 2: have people around her who she knows are just telling
Speaker 2: her this straight up truth because there's no if there's
Speaker 2: any ambiguity, it's like, I don't trust you.
Speaker 5: Well, And what I think I like is because Brooke
Speaker 5: is so defensive with Victoria and is immediately like, I
Speaker 5: don't trust you, what are you doing? What I love
Speaker 5: as a device is seeing the way, even though she's
Speaker 5: clearly very imperfect, the way Victoria loves her. She knows
Speaker 5: these things about her, but she doesn't know how to
Speaker 5: say it to Brooks. So she says to Sam, She's like,
Speaker 5: I've seen this before. I know what this dynamic is.
Speaker 5: She got her heart broken and she started this company.
Speaker 5: Who broke her heart? Who's the boy? What did he do?
Speaker 5: And it's like the most loving I've ever seen Victoria
Speaker 5: be about Brook. But she can't do it to Brook's face,
Speaker 5: so she has to do it to Sam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting that they didn't really touch on the
Speaker 2: fact that Brooke, Brooke is like, she's the one who
Speaker 2: wants to be a mom, She's the one who adopted Sam. Like,
Speaker 2: so the fact that Victoria's coming in and now trying
Speaker 2: to be the mom ish figure with Sam is problematic.
Speaker 2: I mean, they had Brooke focusing a lot on Victoria
Speaker 2: was never a mom to me, but she was just
Speaker 2: trying to be a mom to Sam.
Speaker 4: Is she trying to be a mom or she trying
Speaker 4: to be a buddy? Maybe both.
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like she's trying to like re
Speaker 2: redo some nurturing stuff that she never did with Brooke.
Speaker 5: I think that's really common though, And we talked a
Speaker 5: little bit about this. You know, you were working on
Speaker 5: your other thing last week out. But you know, we're
Speaker 5: all at that age now where like so many of
Speaker 5: our friends have kids or like y'all have kids. The
Speaker 5: reality is like we know parents who weren't great, who
Speaker 5: are getting a second chance, who are great grandparents? Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, and some of them, you know, don't get
Speaker 5: let back in at all because they were so not great.
Speaker 7: But like.
Speaker 5: Victoria seems to be getting a second chance right now,
Speaker 5: and Brooke very much is like, you don't get to
Speaker 5: come back in here, but Sam really will be a
Speaker 5: window through which Victoria does come back to Brook. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I kind of love it, even though I hate
Speaker 5: it on screen. I love watching it.
Speaker 3: I saw myself in Victoria's shoes in that scene where
Speaker 3: Brook's like, you told me you never wanted to have me,
Speaker 3: and She's like, you brought a gun to my apartment
Speaker 3: and against trying to murder you.
Speaker 4: You know, like what are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Like we both were being insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, points were made Victoria look at her with the
Speaker 3: growth and Daphne's just so fun. What a cool thing
Speaker 3: for Ashley to get to just like pal around with
Speaker 3: Daphney all day downtown.
Speaker 2: So much to learn. Also, how does Daphne get that
Speaker 2: volume in her hair? I have to call it?
Speaker 5: Oh, find out.
Speaker 3: Your hair was great this episode, Joy you had Yeah,
Speaker 3: you guys had great hair.
Speaker 2: It was big hair, big hair, big hair for you too,
Speaker 2: you had big hair, you did hair.
Speaker 3: They were so how many times have we played this
Speaker 3: beat of like the BedHead with the one teased something
Speaker 3: about Mary Chunk.
Speaker 4: I've done it two or three times.
Speaker 3: They've got poor Ashley doing it, you know, like everybody's.
Speaker 4: Doing the BedHead thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, except for Brooke who always wakes up with the
Speaker 3: happy Bob.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, oh when I had these seasons that I
Speaker 5: had the Bob, it was just it was a one
Speaker 5: trick pony that was it. In the last episode, they
Speaker 5: really tried to give me that little ponytail, and all
Speaker 5: it was was like a little nub like a dog
Speaker 5: with a short tail and like the snooky poof. It
Speaker 5: wasn't good, but they tried. They were like, please give
Speaker 5: us some barote.
Speaker 6: You guys, I miss it.
Speaker 3: Hillary.
Speaker 5: I need to know some things because because our pal
Speaker 5: Nickolache is married to your pal from MTV, The Lovely Vanessa.
Speaker 5: I how did he wind up on our show girl?
Speaker 5: I don't know, Okay, I thought maybe you knew, or
Speaker 5: maybe you made the intro, because genuinely, when he's the
Speaker 5: one who walks in the door wanting to buy Haley's
Speaker 5: song for his album, I was like, that's how we
Speaker 5: found Nickolache?
Speaker 1: Like what?
Speaker 5: I was so confused. I couldn't remember why. In later episodes,
Speaker 5: this year he goes to the wedding with me.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he does he sticks around that long, babe,
Speaker 3: he's my date to your wedding. I don't remember a
Speaker 3: lot of these upisdes Oh, I.
Speaker 5: Sure do, because I was sort of I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: I always some of the devices we're doing are so
Speaker 5: great and unique and amazing, and then some of them
Speaker 5: I think are shitty. And what I didn't love was
Speaker 5: in this really poignant storyline with Mia and Chase, which
Speaker 5: we will get to, they were like, oh yeah, Brook
Speaker 5: slept with him, and she slept with nickolas Che and
Speaker 5: she I was like, what are we doing? Is Brook
Speaker 5: so maternal that you have to remind people she like hassex?
Speaker 4: There are we that base you brazen husse?
Speaker 5: She's a hussey? So I was like, why are we
Speaker 5: doing this? And then it hit me like, oh yeah,
Speaker 5: he sticks around and he goes with Brooke to Peyton's wedding.
Speaker 5: But I couldn't remember because I don't remember how long
Speaker 5: they've been together.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: I didn't know if we somehow got to Nick Lache
Speaker 5: through you Vanessa trl No.
Speaker 3: I've known Nixon like you know, the Newlyweds days before
Speaker 3: even and he was always like Nick's always been such
Speaker 3: a down cool guy. He's just a dude, you know,
Speaker 3: and doesn't pretend to be anything other than like a
Speaker 3: guy's guy's hanging out with the grips and stuff. I
Speaker 3: think what our show realized in the last two seasons
Speaker 3: is that stunt casting worked really well on our show.
Speaker 3: So Kevin Fetterline coming in and having that arc got
Speaker 3: a lot of buzz in the magazines. And then James
Speaker 3: Vanderbeek coming in and playing this part that got a
Speaker 3: lot of attention. They're like, Okay, what other guy can
Speaker 3: we bring in that is stunt casting? That doesn't quite fit?
Speaker 3: So gets us onto the soup again, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And when we first come back in season five after
Speaker 3: that time jump, isn't he one of the knicks that
Speaker 3: your mom names? It's like, which nick are we going
Speaker 3: out with here? Oh my god, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3: This is a call that's so funny, and he.
Speaker 5: In a way reminds the audience of that going like,
Speaker 5: oh wow, well what is she up to now? You know,
Speaker 5: like he wants to reconnect and it is. It's It's
Speaker 5: an interesting tie in that it wound up working like that.
Speaker 3: I love the Brook Davis doesn't give a shit about
Speaker 3: Julian in this episode.
Speaker 4: Not no, she's just busy, man. I just cried in
Speaker 4: the airport for five home minutes.
Speaker 3: Busy, and I appreciate that as a woman because I
Speaker 3: feel like if a man had written this episode, there
Speaker 3: would have been a soliloquy somewhere about.
Speaker 4: I locked myself at the bathroom with it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there would have been some heartbreak. And I love
Speaker 5: that because Karen did. It's it's Victoria's observation rather than
Speaker 5: Brooke having to do onscreen exposition.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, good.
Speaker 4: And then Nick's just a reminder that like she can
Speaker 4: get whatever she wants, she doesn't have to go to
Speaker 4: La La homes to her heart.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, and I loved it in a way. He
Speaker 5: continues your joke Joy where you know, sweet Kate is like,
Speaker 5: but she's Brooke Davis and You're like, yeah, you're Mia Catalano,
Speaker 5: and it like goes back and forth, back and more
Speaker 5: than then Nick says to Chase, like, yo, Brooke Davis,
Speaker 5: and poor Kate's just like say, you know, she's so pissed.
Speaker 5: It's so it's just so so funny, and it allows
Speaker 5: Stephen to come in and pick up where Haley left
Speaker 5: off and be like, but you're the one, Like you're
Speaker 5: the one. I'm really like, yeah, grown up in love
Speaker 5: with and it's so cutie.
Speaker 2: So here's something I thought was weird when Mia is
Speaker 2: speaking of that moment when Mia is saying she's so
Speaker 2: insecure because you know, his first time was with Brooke,
Speaker 2: and Haley's like, yeah, well you know you're pretty great too, basically,
Speaker 2: but she just brushes it off and she's like, I
Speaker 2: don't want to talk about this anymore.
Speaker 4: Haley is focused. She's focused.
Speaker 2: But what's so weird is that considering how big of
Speaker 2: a deal it was to Haley in high school when
Speaker 2: she found out that.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's right, Hailey was obsessed.
Speaker 2: About this, right, you're wrong. She knows what it feels like.
Speaker 2: So the fact that when Mia is really freaking out,
Speaker 2: she's just like, get over it. It's fine.
Speaker 3: Wait, but is it that the advice that Brooke Davis
Speaker 3: gave to Haley in high school, like pass this is dumb.
Speaker 5: Nobody cares well. But and the reality is like, what
Speaker 5: the way I took it? Joy was that Haley is like,
Speaker 5: I'm not opening this can of worms because if I do,
Speaker 5: I'm going to have to tell you that my husband
Speaker 5: lost his virginity to my sister. My husband slept with Brooke.
Speaker 5: My husband slept with Peyton, my husband.
Speaker 4: You know, like she's gonna have to be like you
Speaker 4: think you have it bad.
Speaker 5: Like literally Nathan has slept with every woman in Tree Hill.
Speaker 4: But why did she?
Speaker 2: But that actually would have been great to say, yeah,
Speaker 2: full of like and look at where we are today,
Speaker 2: like you just got to get over it.
Speaker 5: Well, and also like that's literally what happens in small towns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, guys living in a small town right now, Yes,
Speaker 3: that I'm here. I met a woman who lived here
Speaker 3: in the village. My office is in the village, and
Speaker 3: she was like, during the pandemic, I saw every affair
Speaker 3: in town because they would have clandestine meetings and parking
Speaker 3: lots and just hold hands with the masks on through
Speaker 3: the cars. And I was like, tell me everything, small
Speaker 3: town people just it's dosey dough man. It's like square dancing.
Speaker 3: You gotta get it where you can, and it's usually
Speaker 3: within like a four mile radius.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are lazy.
Speaker 3: I live out of the village, by the way, so
Speaker 3: not participating.
Speaker 5: Not participating. No, we've had enough of that.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be old and settled at this point.
Speaker 3: Like it just is a delicious, delicious place to view
Speaker 3: everybody else's bullshit from I felt for Mia in this,
Speaker 3: but I also was like, would mea care? Because they
Speaker 3: have her as this like edgy lippy all in so
Speaker 3: many of the other episodes, and here she's so like,
Speaker 3: I'm confused about whether or not Mia dated Kevin fetterline
Speaker 3: because I saw online somewhere that he was her ex boyfriend,
Speaker 3: and I was like, what, I don't remember that? Is
Speaker 3: Mia a virgin is because we just did that storyline
Speaker 3: with Milly.
Speaker 2: I don't think we ever even talked about that.
Speaker 3: Like, Milly just did this storyline of virginity with Mouth
Speaker 3: and Rachel and like all the chicks, the Mouth has
Speaker 3: dated him.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, her insecurity over that, And I was like, for
Speaker 3: all the virginity storylines we're doing in season six about
Speaker 3: grown ass adults, yeahy didn't we do these storylines in
Speaker 3: season one and two with children? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Strange?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's dumb that Haley didn't want to sell
Speaker 2: her song.
Speaker 5: Why you think?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: But baby, Like, maybe you just didn't want to sell
Speaker 3: it to Nicholas Chef. If Grace Potter had walked in there,
Speaker 3: Haley would have been like, Okay, girl, me no.
Speaker 2: I think a girl living in a small town who's
Speaker 2: not like I mean, I don't know, maybe I maybe.
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever got a real grasp on
Speaker 2: how how popular Haley was. It was very vague if
Speaker 2: it was, like I just I don't really know. But man,
Speaker 2: I can tell you living in Nashville now and working
Speaker 2: with songwriters on a regular basis, Yeah, Like, I know,
Speaker 2: I know what it feels like when a label comes
Speaker 2: to you. It's happened to me a few months ago. Actually,
Speaker 2: they come and they're like, we we love like these
Speaker 2: five songs. We want to we want to sell them,
Speaker 2: like can we send them out to artists? And you
Speaker 2: have to make the decision do I want to keep
Speaker 2: them for myself and just try and do something with
Speaker 2: them later, or or do I sell them? And the
Speaker 2: amount of people that I've talked to about this and
Speaker 2: the answer is always sell them. Oh, sell them. I mean,
Speaker 2: there might be one or two that you feel really
Speaker 2: special about that you want to hold too. But you
Speaker 2: can always write more songs. There's an unending supply of
Speaker 2: creativity if you're a if you're a writer, you can
Speaker 2: just keep you just keep generating.
Speaker 3: Well then or you can go record them yourself later
Speaker 3: after they're a hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely didn't.
Speaker 3: Casey Musgraves do a lot of that. She was writing
Speaker 3: for Miranda Lambert.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you know she did, and now look at her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, killing it well.
Speaker 2: By the way, this song was not actually for those
Speaker 2: of you at home. This was not written obviously by Hayley,
Speaker 2: who is not a real person, nor was it written
Speaker 2: by me. Was written No, This song was written by
Speaker 2: Kara Dia Guardi and Jess Kate's wonderful songwriters, both of
Speaker 2: them long long, long list of very famous songs you
Speaker 2: can go look up.
Speaker 5: Did Nick actually wind up releasing this song? Mm hmm,
Speaker 5: okay wow released.
Speaker 2: As a single. I think that's probably one of the deals.
Speaker 2: Like we brought him in and it was it was like,
Speaker 2: what do you have coming up? Maybe they had been
Speaker 2: dealing with his PR people or something, and he was like,
Speaker 2: I got this single, we'll write it into the show
Speaker 2: extra press.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Is he on a Warner Brothers label?
Speaker 2: Don't know, it.
Speaker 5: Might have been, but yeah, it felt interesting because it
Speaker 5: sounded obviously like a well produced song like the track.
Speaker 4: In the episode Haley whipped that out.
Speaker 5: He was so fast. I was like, damn. Haley's a
Speaker 5: good produce like.
Speaker 2: Davis making a dress took an hour, But yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was funny to me watching it happen because I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, I sort of love that. Haley's like, oh,
Speaker 5: you want to sing my song? Prove it? Do it now?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Like no prep. I also was dying laughing. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: go off, Nikolache. You just already have it perfectly memorized.
Speaker 5: You don't need a music sheet. Fine, Like there's no
Speaker 5: little podium stand in that recording studio for him.
Speaker 2: Nah, we don't have time for that.
Speaker 5: Just like, prove yourself to me, sir.
Speaker 3: There was one moment where he gave Haley the ninety
Speaker 3: eight degrees boy band.
Speaker 4: Point and I screaming, how are you keeping a straight phase?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 2: I loved that so funny.
Speaker 4: He's a good time.
Speaker 3: Does Mia end up doing a duet with him? Like?
Speaker 4: Do you end up doing a duet with him?
Speaker 3: I'm so curious about the trajectory of this Nick Lache arc.
Speaker 4: Does he come back too? Yes, Sophia was saying, he
Speaker 4: comes to my wedding with her?
Speaker 5: Well, Joy was going to get her computer charger. He's
Speaker 5: my date to Peyton and Lucas's wedding because I'm mad
Speaker 5: at Julian.
Speaker 2: We made him sit there for three days in a
Speaker 2: wedding set.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you sure did.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 5: We put him in like a Men's warehouse tux.
Speaker 4: He's a good sport I thought Men's wear out. I
Speaker 4: think he's a fine actor.
Speaker 3: I mean he was given sitting at that bar, really
Speaker 3: good little zingers.
Speaker 2: Very comfortable on camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, why doesn't Nick Lache do more acting?
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 5: I don't know, because he's charming.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I can text Vanessa, Hi, baby, what's your husband doing
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: I really loved when they got together.
Speaker 4: That was a.
Speaker 3: TRL match made in Heaven. Love those shoes.
Speaker 5: I was very cute.
Speaker 2: But he's hosting Love is Blind.
Speaker 4: They host it together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just fun. But I gotta say he actually is.
Speaker 2: He is a good actor. I enjoyed on camera. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he has a good quality. I think I think he's
Speaker 2: understanding himself by only doing reality. I think he could
Speaker 2: get a get a job as an actor somewhere. Come on, Nick,
Speaker 2: let us know what guys.
Speaker 3: We're gonna cast Nick and something. Let's do it here
Speaker 3: we come. Okay, what else happened in this episode? I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just so much because I keep confusing twenty and
Speaker 3: twenty one now and I'm still thinking about poor Jack
Speaker 3: and sam oh oh.
Speaker 2: Kind of off of Chase and Mia, Peyton says something
Speaker 2: about when did Peyton kiss Chase?
Speaker 3: It is when we first came back and we were
Speaker 3: at a pool party and I was there to hook up.
Speaker 4: With Lucas, but he it was with Lindsay.
Speaker 3: And then Brooke was back and I don't know if
Speaker 3: she was talking to Owen yet, but Chase was like, Sup,
Speaker 3: she's back and we were just sitting there looking like losers,
Speaker 3: and he leaned in and kissed me, and I was like,
Speaker 3: bro I don't want to hook up with any more
Speaker 3: of Brook's boyfriends. And he was like, no, We're just
Speaker 3: making them jealous. And we turned around and you guys
Speaker 3: were staring at us. That was a really long explanation.
Speaker 2: Thank you, because I have no recollection of that. I
Speaker 2: don't know why that moment passed through my brain.
Speaker 3: It was kind of a blip, but it, you know,
Speaker 3: it was a big moment for me. Yeah, because Peyton
Speaker 3: being like I've kissed him. No, it was definitely twice. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I mean he's a great kisser. Being able to objectively
Speaker 3: say that someone's a great kisser, I think is something
Speaker 3: that really only happens in our industry. I don't know that.
Speaker 5: It's true.
Speaker 8: Oh we had Amy tipt in too, from Amy well,
Speaker 8: because Amy was friends with Erica, right, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 8: And Flaming Amy's was like a staple in town. It's
Speaker 8: over by the college campus and it's this.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what.
Speaker 4: It's like a bowl, what was it?
Speaker 3: Taco bowl?
Speaker 5: It's a chicken spot. It's so cool.
Speaker 2: If I ever went there. It's a cool looking little diner. Though.
Speaker 3: That's the day that Chad and I found out that
Speaker 3: the show wasn't coming back, or that, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 3: take it back, that the show was coming back just
Speaker 3: without us.
Speaker 5: Wait, the day you were shooting your Flaming Amy's flashback, Yeah,
Speaker 5: tell us everything, Well, we'd shot everything else, right Wait
Speaker 5: wait wait, so you were doing these flashbacks, these like
Speaker 5: this deep nostalgia episode, not knowing that it was teeing
Speaker 5: up the exit.
Speaker 3: So, oh boy, I was putting the blonde wig again
Speaker 3: as a punishment for having red hair right, and I
Speaker 3: noticed a conversation with like Brooke and Victoria where it
Speaker 3: was like, are you really going to leave the company
Speaker 3: and ruin the careers of all the people that you've
Speaker 3: been Such a pointed conversation for you to have to
Speaker 3: have because we were all in contract negotiations at this
Speaker 3: point except me. I had never gotten a phone call
Speaker 3: from anybody, and so they're making offers to everybody and
Speaker 3: everyone was trying to hold the line and all they
Speaker 3: needed were a couple people to sign on in order
Speaker 3: for the show to come back, and Chad and I
Speaker 3: never even got phone calls. So we were seated in
Speaker 3: that diner booth and we're like, it's our last day
Speaker 3: of filming. We did all of the present day stuff,
Speaker 3: we did most of the flashback stuff, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, our producer, Greg Prange is like, all.
Speaker 4: Right, everybody, like pause, what you're doing? Circle up.
Speaker 3: Just wanted to make the announcement the show is coming back.
Speaker 3: We've been picked up for a seventh season. And Chad
Speaker 3: looks at me and he's like, have you even gotten
Speaker 3: an offer? I was like no, and he's like, I
Speaker 3: haven't gotten an offer. And so around us. Everyone around
Speaker 3: us is like hugging and high fiving. I mean, it
Speaker 3: felt like balloons were dropping from the ceiling. Everybody was
Speaker 3: so fucking pumped. And he and I just kind of
Speaker 3: sat there and we knew it was coming. We had
Speaker 3: you know, Peyton got hit by a car in the
Speaker 3: last episode.
Speaker 4: She's on her death bed, you know.
Speaker 3: And he and I were the highest paid actors on
Speaker 3: the show, and we do we were on the chopping block,
Speaker 3: and so our bosses, Voldemort and other dipshits were in town,
Speaker 3: and we said, can they come to set?
Speaker 5: They were at the.
Speaker 3: Production office and we were at Flaming Amy's, Like, can
Speaker 3: they come to set? It's only it's two o'clock in
Speaker 3: the afternoon. Can they come here and just like explain
Speaker 3: to us what's going on? Is there something? Can so
Speaker 3: and just talk to us?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They refused.
Speaker 3: They would not come speak to us, and instead they
Speaker 3: took other actors out to dinner that night to celebrate.
Speaker 3: And so Chad and I wrap work and I got
Speaker 3: to take that fucking wig off, and you know, there's
Speaker 3: a sense of betrayal because you're like, huh, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: we didn't hold the line, and so we'll go be
Speaker 3: the expendable ones, fuck it. And Chad and I decide
Speaker 3: for the first time ever in our time together in Wilmington,
Speaker 3: that we are gonna go out together and we're gonna
Speaker 3: tie one on. And so Chad and I ended up
Speaker 3: at the Whiskey, which was like a bar right on
Speaker 3: the corner of downtown, you know, and like metal bands
Speaker 3: played there, and Bibbiss, our friend, would play there all
Speaker 3: the time until two o'clock in the morning. He and
Speaker 3: I are just like sweating and smoking and drinking and dancing,
Speaker 3: and Chad's a very good dancer, and every college chick
Speaker 3: in the place is like, oh my god, Lucas and
Speaker 3: Peyton and they're really together and this is so crazy.
Speaker 4: And it was insane.
Speaker 3: And so then from two to three o'clock in the
Speaker 3: morning we sat on on like a retaining wall downtown
Speaker 3: and just really discussed, like we're out. We've had this
Speaker 3: shit dangled over our heads. There's no one here who's
Speaker 3: fighting for us.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: The friendships are fake, it's not real. And we're gonna
Speaker 3: go and we're just gonna do some other stuff and
Speaker 3: we'll always tell each other the truth, you know, And
Speaker 3: so he walked me home, and I remember that also
Speaker 3: being kind of weird. It felt like a date. It's
Speaker 3: the one date that I went on and it was
Speaker 3: very platonic. And then I called him a cab and
Speaker 3: even the cab driver was like, I'm picking up Lucas
Speaker 3: Scott from Peyton Sore's house.
Speaker 2: Like that's cuzy.
Speaker 3: But from that moment on, for the whole rest of
Speaker 3: this season, it was it was hell. It was really bad.
Speaker 3: It was really bad because it was it was so pointed.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd been the person to do every upfront,
Speaker 3: every TCA, every advertiser dinner party. I hosted the launch
Speaker 3: party for the CW when it you know, when you began.
Speaker 3: I had been the company girl and it was the
Speaker 3: biggest you.
Speaker 2: And there were two episodes left at this point, right,
Speaker 2: what is this twenty one?
Speaker 5: I think? I think we do twenty four this season?
Speaker 2: Oh we did twenty four, okay, I think?
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, And so it just it puts in
Speaker 4: your head.
Speaker 3: You just look at everyone around you and you're like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what relationships are real, and I don't
Speaker 3: know which ones are performative, and who's used me and
Speaker 3: who actually loves me? And so that was that was hard.
Speaker 3: It was really hard. But Chad and I had this
Speaker 3: magic night. We still laugh about it.
Speaker 4: I mean it was.
Speaker 3: It was probably the hardest I ever partied in Wilmington.
Speaker 3: And he didn't really drink, so I remember.
Speaker 5: Being shocked, shocked.
Speaker 3: He was drinking his like vodka cranberries. We were both
Speaker 3: just so blindsided by it, like we knew it was coming,
Speaker 3: but until it happens.
Speaker 2: That is wild. Hearing that all these years later, Like
Speaker 2: I had no idea, it's all that's wild.
Speaker 5: And I think, what's so surreal? And to your point,
Speaker 5: And we talked about this a little bit last week,
Speaker 5: that speech that like, oh, are you really going to
Speaker 5: risk this for everyone? Yeah, the same thing we got
Speaker 5: when we asked for help with our boss. People were like,
Speaker 5: to ruin it. You're going to ruin it for everybody, Like, oh,
Speaker 5: you guys can't figure out how to navigate like a
Speaker 5: guy hitting on you. Oh the horror, like grow up.
Speaker 5: All these people who have children will lose their jobs
Speaker 5: if you ruin it. And you know, we had that
Speaker 5: on our set. I had on my fucking neck set,
Speaker 5: like we there was so much that was constantly told
Speaker 5: to us and the thing that like is giving me
Speaker 5: the visceral feeling that you're talking about is realizing like, oh,
Speaker 5: these relationships aren't real, because I remember how hard all
Speaker 5: those people, Voldemort and his little sidekick and all the
Speaker 5: people in power on our show would say to us,
Speaker 5: this is a family, this is a family. You have
Speaker 5: to protect your family, you have to show up for
Speaker 5: your family. You know, all these all these people on
Speaker 5: our crew have families, and they're a part of our family.
Speaker 5: Like they hit you so hard with like, you know,
Speaker 5: families deal with shit, and so do we hear. And
Speaker 5: then you realize like, oh, you want me to prioritize
Speaker 5: y'all like my family. But you you don't even think
Speaker 5: of me as a coworker. You think of me as
Speaker 5: like a line item on a budget.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Oh and it's such an uneven scale. And what was
Speaker 5: so surreal And you know, we've obviously talked about this
Speaker 5: a lot, and I want to be careful, but like,
Speaker 5: the thing that was so wild was, you know, in
Speaker 5: relation particularly to you and Chad, like at least for
Speaker 5: me being told like, well, you're the expendable one. We
Speaker 5: added you last, we could get rid of you first.
Speaker 5: So shame, you know. They put everybody in these positions
Speaker 5: where we were like, Oh, they're going to be okay,
Speaker 5: but I'm going to go, oh, they're gonna and I
Speaker 5: don't know. It's it's like a really dark thing to
Speaker 5: do to a bunch of twenty four year olds.
Speaker 3: I'm every as this the season's winding down. I think
Speaker 3: this is the closure that I needed, because I always
Speaker 3: knew like that I was I was right to walk
Speaker 3: away from this situation because it was awful and my
Speaker 3: life is awesome because of that betrayal. I met my husband,
Speaker 3: I had my kids, I got to do White Collar
Speaker 3: with Willie Garson and that book, Like, my life is
Speaker 3: so much better because I was betrayed here. And and
Speaker 3: that's the thing that maybe I want anybody that listens
Speaker 3: to this to.
Speaker 4: Walk away with.
Speaker 3: It's like the betrayal just opened the door for all
Speaker 3: the awesome shit that I have now, And the people
Speaker 3: who pushed me aside to leverage themselves had to stay
Speaker 3: there and live in it and so.
Speaker 4: That and live with you for doing that. Well, if they're.
Speaker 3: Even aware that they did, they're aware, you know. But
Speaker 3: that was kind of the fun of watching this episode today.
Speaker 3: For me is that I didn't take notes because I
Speaker 3: knew that it was a shit episode for me personally,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm just going to enjoy it
Speaker 3: as a viewer, and I did. Like I loved it
Speaker 3: as a viewer. I liked who our characters are as people.
Speaker 3: I think too. They're fun to watch and you know,
Speaker 3: they play well nicely, And I get why people love it.
Speaker 3: People who don't know the backstory super easy to love well.
Speaker 5: Because everything you see on screen is is good and
Speaker 5: you know it's It's such an example of that adage
Speaker 5: like be kind because you just you never know what
Speaker 5: battles people are fighting, Like we made a great product
Speaker 5: despite the ways we were being manipulated and mistreated, and
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 5: I'm proud of the product. Yeah, And I know we've
Speaker 5: had to say this to the fans, like we don't
Speaker 5: we don't want you to love the show less because
Speaker 5: of what was happening behind the scenes. In a way,
Speaker 5: it taught us a lot. I mean, Hill, what you
Speaker 5: went through, Like I remember when I because it wasn't
Speaker 5: when this was all happening, Like I remember when I
Speaker 5: finally got told that you weren't coming back, and it
Speaker 5: was like that's not possible, like I don't I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Are they going to do the show without them?
Speaker 5: And and the conversations we had, like that's something we
Speaker 5: had a good time, like we talk about carrying on
Speaker 5: the tradition of tying one on. We were like, let's
Speaker 5: just sit here and open all these beers and talk
Speaker 5: about it. And like, my god, when when I got
Speaker 5: the inside baseball from you, like the pride, I mean,
Speaker 5: like and we've talked about this too, like I will
Speaker 5: always defend you to the death, like I know exactly
Speaker 5: who you are in the way that I know you
Speaker 5: know exactly who I am, And I think you know
Speaker 5: if I may for me. Years later, when I was
Speaker 5: going through what I was going through in Chicago, I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, I can just leave.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can just leave.
Speaker 5: Like I've good soldiered, I've pretzeled myself. I've done everything
Speaker 5: I'm supposed to do. I've gone by the book, I've
Speaker 5: gone by the personal relationships, I've done the reporting. I've
Speaker 5: done it all. And I was like, if it's not
Speaker 5: going to matter, I'm gonna leave. I learned that from
Speaker 5: one of my best friends.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna leave y'all don't have to deal with that.
Speaker 5: It's like, it's really so empowering though, And I think
Speaker 5: to your point, like when you talk about what came after,
Speaker 5: you know where it shifted you, the friendships, it gave you,
Speaker 5: the marriage, it led you to like your whole life.
Speaker 5: It it was a lesson then that you learned. It
Speaker 5: was a lesson that I courageously. I felt like I
Speaker 5: had the courage to learn on my own because of
Speaker 5: our friendship. Like rejection sometimes is such protection. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: you know, even like holy hell, like have I learned
Speaker 5: that in the last year, And oh, I will take
Speaker 5: it all day. Because when you when you can finally
Speaker 5: stand and say I'm going to trust my instincts here,
Speaker 5: and then you get all all the receipts and you're like,
Speaker 5: look at me, I made a good decision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the veil drops, but it changes your life in
Speaker 3: a way, like everything shifts.
Speaker 5: I think when you finally say okay, if this is
Speaker 5: not for me, siya, what comes the minute you put
Speaker 5: your hands up is so profound And I don't know it.
Speaker 5: It's really wild to see how how much like romantic
Speaker 5: happiness and fun you guys were having on screen and
Speaker 5: knowing what was happening off screen, But like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: I love this place for you. I don't love the wound,
Speaker 5: but I love what the wound gave you.
Speaker 2: Well, that's how you could have That's how we can
Speaker 2: still appreciate what we see on camera and the stories
Speaker 2: and we're told is knowing that that there's no perfect product,
Speaker 2: there's no perfect relationship, there's no perfect anything. It's always
Speaker 2: going to be a bit and the things that the
Speaker 2: hard things that we go through make us who we are.
Speaker 2: Being able to walk away from something that takes you
Speaker 2: a really long time to realize that it's unhealthy is
Speaker 2: incredibly powerful, and I've had to do that in my
Speaker 2: own in my own ways. It wasn't with the show
Speaker 2: in particular, because I didn't deal with a lot of
Speaker 2: the same stuff that you guys did in that dynamic.
Speaker 2: I mean I did, I think on the peripheral, But yeah,
Speaker 2: it made it does kind of knowing the sweetness of
Speaker 2: all the good things that have come makes me happy
Speaker 2: watching watching this episode, watching things.
Speaker 3: That there's nothing better than a girl that has just
Speaker 3: hit the point of like fuck this right, Like because
Speaker 3: then everything.
Speaker 4: After that is fun.
Speaker 3: Like I had fun because I knew I was out.
Speaker 3: I've rented my apartment in Paris that I never went
Speaker 3: to because I met Jeffrey.
Speaker 4: You know, like, shit just got fun. I'm looking forward.
Speaker 3: To future fun in these episodes because we gave zero
Speaker 3: fox at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these stopped trying to hold on and make anybody
Speaker 2: else happy. You're like, you know what, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: do what's best for her.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, like a girl who's run out
Speaker 5: of fox to give becomes dangerous, And it's really fun
Speaker 5: when you realize, like, oh oh, I'm dangerous now, Okay.
Speaker 3: When you established the reputation as being the one that'll
Speaker 3: tell the truth, that's a powerful place to be. So
Speaker 3: we've have a question though. We have a question from Natalie.
Speaker 3: She says, if you had to pick another location for
Speaker 3: Oth to be filmed or based in, where would it be?
Speaker 3: I felt so spoiled in Wilmington. It still is the
Speaker 3: prettiest place we've I've ever worked, and I've worked all
Speaker 3: over the place.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 5: I Yeah, gosh, I can't imagine it being filmed anywhere else,
Speaker 5: but good god, do I wish it was filmed somewhere
Speaker 5: with a direct flight.
Speaker 4: Say, they still don't have one.
Speaker 5: We still don't have one. How do we not have
Speaker 5: like a Wilmington to Burbank? Like what are we doing? Yeah,
Speaker 5: why don't we have one?
Speaker 3: La Because there's not a runway long enough to land
Speaker 3: a big cross country plane there. That's why, I mean,
Speaker 3: or they can only it's only like that little New
Speaker 3: York puddle jumper, you know. That's that's the joke in
Speaker 3: the episode that n is that he's like I rode
Speaker 3: in the middle.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a seat and coach.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There was a town when I was in high school.
Speaker 2: My best friend in high school's family had a lake house.
Speaker 2: It's a place called Green Pond, and it's just this
Speaker 2: gorgeous little lake community in New Jersey, which is so
Speaker 2: beautiful that I mean the fully it's the Garden State,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, the foliage is unbelievable, and it's
Speaker 2: a really kids fishing on the dock, ice cream in
Speaker 2: the summer, golf carts roaming around. Everybody's just it's a
Speaker 2: free for all, like you just let your kids go
Speaker 2: and come back at dinner, like like it was the
Speaker 2: eighties and it still is like that. I went back
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago and it's still like that,
Speaker 2: And it's the closest thing I could think of to
Speaker 2: what Tree Hill would have felt like. So that's gonna
Speaker 2: be my vote.
Speaker 3: I when I saw Megan Parks movie, my old ass
Speaker 3: at Sundance, this location, I'm trying to where, where the
Speaker 3: hell is it? This location in Canada, Musco Lakes, you guys, Yeah,
Speaker 3: such tree Hill vibes. It was like Cranberry bogs, but
Speaker 3: the water was like so beautiful and everything was green
Speaker 3: and kind of like they had a little small town
Speaker 3: and falling in love on the docks and just loved it.
Speaker 5: No, it's so beatiful. A lot of the folks who
Speaker 5: worked on the Good Sam crew, like a lot of
Speaker 5: our local Toronto crew, had had grown up with like
Speaker 5: little lake houses up in Muskoka. It's so gorgeous.
Speaker 4: She's trying to lure me up there, like.
Speaker 5: Let's go, let's go visit.
Speaker 7: Okay, Nate, what was our honorable MENTIONSH?
Speaker 4: I like school dances. I like school Dance.
Speaker 5: I loved that.
Speaker 2: I was happy to see bj Britt back too. I
Speaker 2: really like him. I really like him on camera. I
Speaker 2: wish we would have kept him for longer. Who places
Speaker 2: hiv on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, I think Nathan should have taken the European offer.
Speaker 4: I can't believe Haley didn't want to go to Europe, Like,
Speaker 4: on what planet?
Speaker 2: It's two years, It's like, yeah, babe, let's go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, be there, I can write it home in Europe. Fine.
Speaker 3: She just wanted to pull Jamie out of school in
Speaker 3: the last episode, you know.
Speaker 4: Like they've only got one just go.
Speaker 3: Nobody thought this through.
Speaker 4: No, well, but was that.
Speaker 5: Thinking about how things were going, Like, was that part
Speaker 5: of the threat for you guys, Joy? Was it like,
Speaker 5: oh well if you don't, if you guys don't do this,
Speaker 5: we'll just say Nathan takes this deal. Yeah, be like bye.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it was all the and it's the same
Speaker 2: negotiating tactics that they used to do, and maybe I'm
Speaker 2: sure plenty of people still do it of telling everybody
Speaker 2: that everyone else is already signed on, is already negotiated.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I know you guys are trying to do
Speaker 2: Favorite Nations, but you know so and so already agreed
Speaker 2: to sign their contract, and so it's and then you know,
Speaker 2: we're calling agents and the agents are going, no, we
Speaker 2: haven't heard anything from them, but they told us that
Speaker 2: you blah blah blah, and it becomes such a huge mess.
Speaker 2: I just yeah, I remember that. That was definitely one
Speaker 2: of the storylines that was like, oh, we're just getting
Speaker 2: ready to tie this up if we need to, so don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't remember anything past that. I
Speaker 2: just know that it was definitely a threat of like,
Speaker 2: this show goes on without Haley, easy, go ahead.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, yeah, I always love that we can do
Speaker 5: this without you. You're like, Okay, have.
Speaker 4: Fun, have fun.
Speaker 2: Colin Bluff's but b J Britt gets my honorable mention
Speaker 2: or the comment I love seeing the comic get worked
Speaker 2: on too. That's another honorable mention.
Speaker 4: We got a wheel today.
Speaker 5: We have now, Oh who is most likely to laugh
Speaker 5: in a serious moment? Hillary?
Speaker 4: Not It is me.
Speaker 3: It is me.
Speaker 4: I have no defense against that. It's me. I'll yeah.
Speaker 3: I like feelings.
Speaker 4: Oh god, they're so hard feelings.
Speaker 3: It's really hard parenting very emotional children because I want
Speaker 3: to crack a joke when George is feeling big feelings.
Speaker 4: And I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't, and I have to like get down on
Speaker 3: my knees and be like, tell me everything about your feelings,
Speaker 3: not crack. That's that's all the acting I do now,
Speaker 3: and it is all my energy. But who on our
Speaker 3: show is like the crack up? It's Haley on the show.
Speaker 3: Hailey's always like didn't you have a nervous laughter thing?
Speaker 4: In an episode?
Speaker 2: Hailey is always kind of like trying to make things
Speaker 2: better by making them worse.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's like we got married.
Speaker 3: It's a Haley trick.
Speaker 2: I see that.
Speaker 5: I think so, yeah, I would say Haley or like
Speaker 5: Antoine likes to make a joke in an inappropriate moment,
Speaker 5: it does? You know? Skills is always in with a
Speaker 5: one liner.
Speaker 3: How about the teacher in this episode like I need
Speaker 3: some breakup sex or.
Speaker 4: Something like that. When I was like, girl, well, I
Speaker 4: was like what the hell?
Speaker 5: And then she was like kidding kidding.
Speaker 6: I was like.
Speaker 4: Okay, but she was putting out a vine ye not kidding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved it, all right, what do we have
Speaker 3: next episode?
Speaker 5: We got a season six episode twenty two, show me
Speaker 5: How to Live. That sounds like it's going to be dramatic.
Speaker 4: Sure, well, can't wait.
Speaker 5: Well done, everybody, Thanks for joining Hillary, you get my
Speaker 5: honorable mention for literally running out of Fox. It's my
Speaker 5: favorite version of you.
Speaker 4: Let's see what happens. I don't know that I ever
Speaker 4: got them back. Did I ever regain the I.
Speaker 5: Sure hope not.
Speaker 4: I don't think so. Guys, they broke me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, have a great week.
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