WEBVTT - Harry Litman, Sen. Charles Schumer & Rep. Haley Stevens 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.400 today's best minds. And Dems have won the empty congressional 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.400 seat in New Mexico, giving them the final signature for 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.479 the discharge petition for the Epstein files. We have such 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.640 a great show for you today, talking fed's own Harry 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.439 Litman stops by to explain to us why when you 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.360 lose the public's trust you can never get it back. 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.680 Then we'll talk to Congresswoman Haley Stevens about her run 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.880 for the open Senate seat in Michigan and her plans 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:42.280 to impeach RFK Junior. Plus, we have a bonus conversation 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:47.480 with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer about his plan for 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:52.280 this upcoming government shutdown showdown. But first the news, Molly, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.000 we're all Argentina. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.040 Now we are bailing them out. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.520 And turns out psychotic libertarian text breaks as for the rich, 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:05.119 don't save an economy, Yeah, whether there's just a bad 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:06.839 haircut running around with a chainsaw. 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:11.200 So why we are going to bail out Argentina with 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:15.400 a twenty billion dollars swap line to help contain financial 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:20.280 upheaval and support presidently. I don't know why. I don't 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:24.240 understand why. I don't think we should. I'm against bailouts. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.320 If we're going to spend money, why don't we spend 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:32.520 it on cancer research and food stamps and rural hospitals. 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:37.160 This is just completely stupid. It makes no sense. We're 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:42.960 going to buy Argentinian dollar bonds FYI. Meanwhile, the dollar 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.559 has had its worst year in decades and decades, such 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:51.240 as stupid, stupid, shortsighted. I don't even know what we're 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:55.080 doing here, but needless to say, it's stupid, so the 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:56.960 Trump administration wants to do it. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.800 I think it's really kind of poetic that libertarians, who 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.360 hate croni capitalism more than anything, they were championing this guy. 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.120 His stuff fails, and now he's getting saved by checksnotes 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:09.280 cardi capitalism. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.680 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, this is all so bad, 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.399 by the way. It's like, at every point this administration 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:21.359 always does the stupidest possible thing, and whether it's cutting 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:28.359 funding for research and science and healthcare and weather. I mean, 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.200 you know, we read Project twenty twenty five, so we 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.840 knew this was coming. And yet still and I remember 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.640 thinking when we read it, we did that documentary on it. 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.160 I remember thinking like, what do I get from the 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.840 federal government? Like I remember thinking like what will go 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.359 away when Trump is in office? Like I remember thinking, well, 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.600 my kids, my kids don't go to public schools. That's 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.799 Department of Education. So like just going through the sort 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.360 of mass on what I personally get from the federal 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:00.360 government besides like streets, and what I think is like, 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.040 there's so much stuff that we get from the federal 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.320 government that you don't know you're missing until you're gone, 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:11.799 like safety, air quality, water quality, accurate weather. You know, 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.320 there are all these billionaires who are really excited for 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.360 a kind of federal government that doesn't really do anything 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.639 for anyone because they think that somehow, like they'll pay 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:26.079 less taxes and they'll get by. But you can't privatize 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.280 air quality testing, you know. I mean, I guess you could, 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.920 but we're not at that moment. It's so shortsighted of 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.839 these people to think that somehow they can swap out 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.680 the federal government for some kind of like tax bone. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:44.119 I mean, it's just such an incredibly dystopian and depressing 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.000 view of the federal government and Ultimately, we're going to 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.800 see why we have all these things in place sooner 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:51.760 rather than later. I am afraid. 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.480 Well, Wiley, that's so nice of you to queue me up, 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.920 because our next news story is about how the Trump 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.600 administration has had to rehire hundreds of federal employees that 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:01.560 were laid off by dose. 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.640 Yeah. My favorite part about this is like this is costing. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.680 I mean, it's not my favorite part, but it is. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:10.080 The great irony is it's costing them so much money. Right, 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.720 they're firing people, they're re hiring them, they're paying for 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.720 them to have like these paid leave. They just don't 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.640 understand what the federal government does. So what they do 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.920 is they keep like firing people and then learning that 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:28.679 these are things they can't somehow farm out. It's incredible. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.359 Yeah, some of the details in here of like the 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:35.000 least cancelations and all these things, it's just like it's 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:39.800 so much stupid administrative work and just so ridiculously dumb. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.840 It's just ridiculous, and it's also you know, it's expensive. 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.599 There are ways to make the government work better. This 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.680 was never about that. This was always about just trying 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.360 to like disassemble the federal government and now it turns 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.560 out that a lot of these things you actually need right, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:02.680 and FYI was fraud and abuse was actually just like 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.880 stuff we don't like, helping poor kids. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.800 Yeah, another pattern we're really seeing these days is people 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.000 jumping to conclusions fast. Yesterday there was an incident where 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.600 there was both a broken telet prompter and a broken 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.760 escalator at the UN for mister Trump and Jesse Waters 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.159 of Fox News joke that they should bomb and gas 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.320 the UN. You know, it is one of those things 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.600 where I hesitate to label to joke where he kind 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.280 of just says a really dumb thing and then they 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.280 kind of just smirk about it because they really don't 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.840 care enough to get anything right. But it seems between 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.320 this and this the latest shootings, that we never know 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.280 anything early and no one's learning the lessons of the past. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.800 They're just spinning out takes as fast as they can 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:42.280 and for their own advantage. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.000 You know. One of the things we see with Trump 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.760 is like he had all these remember when he was 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.440 trying to get a Nomo Peace Prize. I mean, he's 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.000 still trying to get a Nomo Peace Prize, but he 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.640 was trying harder and he had all these people come 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.200 to the White House, and then he ended up alienating 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.560 India because he was like, they were so mad when 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.640 he said you made peace between India and Pakistan, which 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.400 wasn't true, but he made them so mad. I feel 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.640 like this is what it is like. You can either 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.760 be a poster and there's honor in being a poster. 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:14.359 Well maybe not honor, but you know, or you could 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.360 run the federal government. But you actually cannot both post 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.480 real time events and run the federal government. I mean 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.760 it's like Trump when he you know, when he saved 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:29.480 the reveal of who killed Charlie Kirk for Fox and Friends. 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.360 Remember that they had known before. I mean it was 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.120 a whole week ago, right, they had known before, but 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.960 he wanted to wait until it was all teed up. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.599 I'm sorry. Like, you either run the federal government or 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.960 you break news. You cannot do both. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.919 Speaking of his posting, he absolutely lost it over Jimmy 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.560 Kimmel's return last night. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:55.440 This is not super surprising, though it is interesting and 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.480 a lot of people noted this online. Basically, he has 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.120 no deniability. Now, the White House was told by ABC 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.480 that his show was canceled, so this makes it sound 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.320 as if the White House is colluding with ABC to 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.360 cancel Jimmy Kimmel's show, which means that the White House 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:17.160 can no longer deny that they had the inside track 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:22.200 on this, which means that if Jimmy Kimmel wants to sue, 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.800 I mean, like, at every point, Donald Trump's posting kind 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.560 of undermines any of the other stuff he's doing here. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.560 So if they want a deniability, if they wanted to 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.240 get kim off the air, if they wanted this not 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.880 to blow up in his face, you know, you wouldn't 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.840 have had Brendan Carr on Benny Johnson's podcast being like, 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.440 we can do this the easy way, or we can 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.720 do this the hard way. That's what this is, like 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.040 Donald Trump's I can't believe ABC, fake news gave kim 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.800 all his job back. The White House was told by 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.120 ABC that his show was canceled. Something happened between now 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.560 and then, because so there you go. But it is 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.880 funny though he just is so mad about talent and 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:00.640 audience ratings. 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.120 Friend of the Show Swin's assessment of Caddy stage Mom 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.440 Rings in my ears every single day is. 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:15.480 Trill is incredible. Harry Lipman is a former US attorney 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.760 and the host of the podcast Talking Fads. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:23.880 Hello, Hello Loo, everyone, Welcome to this month's Molly Harry 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.480 mash Up Politics and Law, in which I get to 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:31.280 ask Mally dong Fasts political questions she gets to parry 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.840 with some legal ones. Maully dong Fast. I gotta say 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:39.000 A needs no introduction. B is often short on time, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.640 so I think we should just jump right into it. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:43.880 I got a Kimmel question for you, if I could 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:49.600 start there, Mollie. So, Trump reacts to the suspension with triumph, 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:51.719 though we know in court he would say, oh, it's 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.400 not us, but he certainly seems to take credit for it. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:58.679 But now that Kimmel has been reinstated, Trump is chagrined, 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.679 but it's not clear he has any cards to play. Still, 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.520 does it play as a loss for him with the base? 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.079 And does he need now somehow to try to scramble 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.520 to do directly get kim off the air what he 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.360 tried to support or do obliquely before. 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.160 So here's what I would say about the kim Ol situation. 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.360 I don't see a clear way out of this for Trump. 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:27.000 Either he forces Kim off the air, which will be 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.280 the world's biggest lawsuit, huge pain for him, signs of 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:32.920 authoritarianism and. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.640 A flat out First Amendment violation, no two ways about it. 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.760 But we'll go back besides that, and they'll come careening 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:40.880 into the Supreme Court where the Supreme Court will have 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:42.880 to stand up to Trump, which they don't want to do, 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.560 which is inevitably coming. But there's no way that the 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.719 MAGA crew on that court is going to be like, yeah, 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.720 you can just take stuff you don't like off the air. 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.160 I mean even they will be like no. So it's 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.920 hard for me to see where the off ramp is 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.520 for this, But I think probably Trump just goes on 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.760 and ignores it, and you know, does some mean tweets. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.960 I think it's hard for me to see him keeping going. 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.120 I mean, the good news for him is that when 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.959 things happen that he can't deal with, he just distracts 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:12.200 from them. That's my take. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:13.880 Well declares victory and moves on. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.440 Right, Yeah, right, I want you to talk to us 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.440 about you used to be in such demand, but now 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.080 that we have an administration that no longer cares about 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.480 the law, it doesn't matter what the law is, because 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:25.920 whatever right. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.840 I'm a man without a country. That's right. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.040 I mean, don't you feel like there's so many moments 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:34.000 where you're like, well, obviously this is a legal bot discuss. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.600 You know, I don't. I wish I felt that way 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:41.640 a little bit more. Every week there are legal outrages. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.120 And I've said this to you before, Mollie. My main 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.160 job I think of as trying to educate, explain the 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:51.480 dangers and the like. And you know, this week alone, 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.559 Kimmel and the prospect of censorship home and the prospect 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:59.480 of two tier or three tier justice, the Supreme Court 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:03.439 just coming in and without making it clear, just nevertheless 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:08.160 overruling a ninety year precedent. I actually find legally, You're right, 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.000 they don't care. You know, I've totally kind of changed 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.240 the stuff. But I'm really all about the new kind 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.960 of independent channel of substack and YouTube, and I do 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.680 just a little bit of TV. But I think the 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.080 lost stuff is flying at us fast and furious. It 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.440 will continue to fly at US fast and furious because 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:32.880 what Trump is doing is basically corrupting different areas of 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.720 law everywhere. Humphrey's executor, that's a pretty darn legal arcane thought. 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.480 From nineteen thirty five, you got to explain it, and 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:44.600 it's a huge deal practically, and my kind of my 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:46.360 feel is a little bit the hounesome. My feel is 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.880 this authoritarianism is like a little boring. But it's my 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:53.560 job to say, well, this was a big one. Firing Seabert, 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.400 this was a big one. And I find there's still 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:01.080 like plenty to talk about, even as I also feel 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.880 that like we are just trudging on into the end 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.000 of the Constitution and we're gonna have a showdown, just 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.959 as you said in about a year with the Supreme Court. 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.280 Do people still want to hear the legal outrages of 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.800 the week, but they are there these legal outrages, So yeah, 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.800 I don't feel like under utilized. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:25.079 Right, there's a shooting at an ice facility. They killed 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:30.400 these immigrants, no law enforcement, but they found these bullets 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.080 maybe cash Betel tweeted a picture of the bullets. Talk 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.080 us through this. And also it seems to me, like 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.360 what I keep going back to is it feels like 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:44.360 this administration and Trump more generally, has squandered any kind 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:45.600 of benefit of the doubt. 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:49.120 Exactly right, And man, oh man, think about that for 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.760 a minute. So yesterday is it the White House formal 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.640 representative says, Homan never did this, and then other people 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.439 say they did. Before Trump, you'd at least say wow, 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.719 there's just saying, you know, flat out, you give them 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.200 maybe the benefit of the doubt or a better word 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.359 that I think applies a lot to prosecutions Molly, presumption 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.160 of regularity. They did it. The case came out, the 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:17.720 grand jury said, so we presume regularity and we take 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.880 it from there. Let's see your proof. Guess what, there's 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:26.040 no presumption of regularity. And judges are calling that out. 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.599 Grand juries in DC are saying we're not going to 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.520 actually give you a true bill, which is stunning. It's 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.520 happened to me once in my career. They did it 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:39.959 like seven times last week. They don't trust them, and 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.920 they don't trust them for a very good reason. They've 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.920 been ten times burned. Of course, there was going to 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.839 be that picture of the Epstein in the Epstein birthday book, etc. 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.720 So I just want to say, there's a lot of 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.200 things that you know as a DOJ type, and that 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.760 is where my stripes are. I get really sad about 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.840 what's happening, but this you just can't can't but be 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:06.440 morose because people over decades build up this advantage. So 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.360 when you go and say, Molly Jong fast for the 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.080 United States, it really means something. Guess what it is 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.320 all squandered now and a whole big thing. I hope 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.600 maybe you'll join. I want to think about at least 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.320 to give some kind of alloy to people who are, 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.320 you know, relentlessly down. What might it look like to 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:29.240 try to clean this humongous mess up on the other side. 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.960 But that's a good one, right, It doesn't You're not 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.280 going to like, oh Trump goes and now you stand 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:38.440 up and everyone's gonna trust you. They are besides breaking 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:42.240 the law, breaking the constitution, being completely unfair, they have 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:49.480 absolutely squandered generation's worth of goodwill from the Department of Justice. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.040 And it's just not the kind of thing that you just, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:56.040 you know, start up again with once the if the 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.440 bad guys leave town. Okay, I got so much for Molly, 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.640 but here's a little, a short one. I love these 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.120 Trumps from back on. Everyone says, Everyone says, it was 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.320 a perfect call. Everyone says, so here's his Everyone says, 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:13.480 Everyone says that I should get the Nobel Peace Prize 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:17.520 for each one of these achievements. And I guess my 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.800 question to you politically is this will sound like it's 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.040 not serious. It is? Which is is he serious? 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:24.520 You know? 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:26.680 Is the space now looking for this is? Are think 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.840 going to agitate when surprise surprised he doesn't get the 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:31.840 Nobel Peace Prize, And I don't know what he'd get 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.240 it for, right, you know, just yesterday totally switches directions 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.760 on Ukraine. He's no leader in the Middle East, Ukraine, China, 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:42.520 anywhere else, but real fantasy, What the what the what 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:46.880 the heck? He's going around saying, everyone says I should 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:47.920 get the Nobel Peace Press. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.200 This is such a good topic because actually I was 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.760 reading the Washington Post earlier though. Jesse just sent this 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.240 to me where it says it twenty two percent of 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.920 all Americans think Trump deserves it Nobel Peace Price. But 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.080 I don't think this is not for the base, right, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.600 the Nobel Priests prize stuff. They don't care, is that right? 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:07.480 I don't think there's any world in which they care. 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.280 It's like his obsession with Hollywood. I mean, I get 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.479 that he feels that politics is downstream of culture. But ultimately, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.560 what I think we're seeing here is he's seventy nine 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.640 years old, and he has certain things he's very stuck 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.000 on from living in New York, and they include Deborah 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:30.320 Messing Ratings Award shows, stuff that isn't necessarily stuff that 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.680 I think the base really cares about. And then there's 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.760 stuff the base really cares about. The Nobel Prize is 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.120 I think he hates Obama. He's mad when people laugh 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.480 at him. Obama did this thing where he remember he 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.320 spoke at the White House correspondence dinner. I mean, look, 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.040 the irony is maybe it's not the original sin because 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:53.840 Trump was on the birth certificate thing before Obama, so ultimately, 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.720 really Trump did start it. But the point of this 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.400 is that he hates being laughed at. And so I 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.080 think part of the part of where we are at 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.960 this moment is that he's kind of trying to get revenge. 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.840 And human said that when he was running for president, 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.800 remember and like people be like, no, no, You're not 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:10.640 going to seek revenge, and he was like, no, no. 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.639 I am yesterday. I hate my opponents. 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.960 Right, Charlie. I loved his opponents, but I hate them. 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.119 So I think this is, you know, he wants to 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.120 win a Nobel Peace Prize because he feels like then 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:23.960 people will stop laughing at him. It goes back to 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.439 this what we saw at the UN where the first 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.720 time Trump spoke at the UN, he was laughed at, 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:31.639 and this time he spoke at the UN and he 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.720 was basically like, I'm so powerful. I've you know, I'm 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:39.399 more powerful than the institution. I can cut all this forlornade. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.679 You have nothing to laugh at because it's so scared. 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.360 I think that's real. I think that drives a lot 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:47.680 of where we are right now. 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:49.080 Yeah, you're trying to. 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.760 Trump fired this guy in the Eastern District because he 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:56.560 wanted him to prosecute his enemies, and maybe because the 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:00.280 Komi case is about to be out of statute of 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.600 limitations right that if they want to prosecute it. It's 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.639 now basically what we've seen is these people like they 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.560 don't want to they don't want to go forward with 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:14.720 fake cases, which is what Trump wants, but they will 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:20.639 dismiss cases that are against Trump's people, so like the 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.040 Eric Adams case. So it seems like we have a 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:28.080 real disconnect here with the stuff where the administration just 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:32.480 wants to make stuff up versus wants to let stuff go. 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.000 So do you think Trump is going to be able 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:36.800 to find So now he's going to put maybe he's 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.400 going to try to put a one of his you know, 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.160 parking lawyers or one of his you know, the people 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.919 who don't know better in that job. But do you 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.040 think that we're going to see a world where they 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.280 start just making up stuff? I mean, what do you 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.040 think that looks like? And also do you think that 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.960 there's a mechanism for that, right? Because there are grand juries. 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:57.480 I mean, there are a number of hurdles that you 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.280 have to get past if you're making up fake stuff. 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.320 Yeah, so glad you asked this question, what does it 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.560 look like the ninth circle of hell Mala. We hear 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:09.480 about all these different outrages, doj and I'm here to 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.760 tell you nothing, nothing, Nothing could be worse than making 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:18.240 shit up against an innocent person in order to just 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:23.639 bring criminal charges that aren't there against a political enemy. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:28.800 Start with the first principle in the US Attorney's Manual, 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.280 Start with the constitution. Making stuff up, it's like a 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.640 quarter inch away from just taking people and disappearing them. 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.480 This is the soul of autocracy. And even though it 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:45.000 is also a complete dereliction of the same rule to force. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:50.240 The dismissal of a righteous case still better ten guilty 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:54.560 walk than one innocent person. So the combination of stuff 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.680 here no facts and you can't no facts. I can't 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.720 tell you how far fundamental that you know DNA here 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.880 that when Seabird and its worst assistants say no facts, 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:10.320 no facts. Even now right in the White House, Levitt said, well, 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.600 what do they do? They weaponized the justin That's not 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.520 what's your federal crime. The federal crime is make shit up. 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:22.080 It's just couldn't be worse. And because it's a Trump enemy, 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.280 now just very quickly to the practical question, will they 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.800 be able to do it? I mean, he's so imbecilic. 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:33.400 He's given a huge bat to Komy Schiff, for James, 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:38.520 anybody who's indicted to say this isn't bona fide. So 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:43.040 you know, if this happens, A, I think they're very vulnerable, 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:48.640 and B it's the most nauseating, bottom bottom, bottom, rock 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.639 bottom thing that can happen. I wrote a sub a 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.800 couple of days ago. You know, Donald Trump in the 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:56.359 ninth circle of hell. 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:59.280 But it also when you see that kind of thing 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:04.320 where you no longer trust what the administration is trying 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:07.119 to do as I think we're seeing Trump sort of 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.680 say the quiet part out loud when we talk about 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:10.960 the Kimmel stuff. 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.280 Which nobody ever ever has that because you can't say 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.600 it because it's the same as saying, you know, all 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:19.800 get rid of our democracy. Right, So stunning to former prosecutors. 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.119 What happened to your molly? And I know that office, 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.520 I worked in that office, and yeah, unbelievable. 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.359 So with the tweet where he said, you know, I'm 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.119 firing this guy because you won't find the stuff I want, 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:31.399 and then he said with the Kimmel stuff, you know, 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:33.560 we were told it was canceled and now it's not. 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.600 Both of these things are technically admissible in court. 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:36.880 Right. 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.159 Can you talk us through that? What that means? 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:45.560 Yeah, I just very briefly, they've got an absolute golden 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.439 set up motion. It probably doesn't go to the jury, 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:51.000 it goes to the judge, and you say, up front, judge, 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:55.159 throw this shit out. Now, it's so obvious selective prosecution. 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.840 You put all this stuff up, you maybe get to 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:02.880 depose some people. The disconnect here, Molly, is that for 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:06.879 all his peak and all the way said, nobody is 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:11.240