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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Dems have won the empty congressional

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Speaker 1: seat in New Mexico, giving them the final signature for

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Speaker 1: the discharge petition for the Epstein files. We have such

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Speaker 1: a great show for you today, talking fed's own Harry

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Speaker 1: Litman stops by to explain to us why when you

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Speaker 1: lose the public's trust you can never get it back.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Congresswoman Haley Stevens about her run

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Speaker 1: to impeach RFK Junior. Plus, we have a bonus conversation

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Speaker 1: with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer about his plan for

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Speaker 1: this upcoming government shutdown showdown. But first the news, Molly,

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Speaker 1: we're all Argentina.

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Speaker 2: Now we are bailing them out.

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Speaker 3: And turns out psychotic libertarian text breaks as for the rich,

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Speaker 3: don't save an economy, Yeah, whether there's just a bad

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Speaker 1: So why we are going to bail out Argentina with

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Speaker 1: a twenty billion dollars swap line to help contain financial

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Speaker 1: upheaval and support presidently. I don't know why. I don't

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Speaker 1: understand why. I don't think we should. I'm against bailouts.

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Speaker 1: If we're going to spend money, why don't we spend

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Speaker 1: it on cancer research and food stamps and rural hospitals.

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Speaker 1: This is just completely stupid. It makes no sense. We're

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Speaker 1: going to buy Argentinian dollar bonds FYI. Meanwhile, the dollar

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Speaker 1: has had its worst year in decades and decades, such

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Speaker 1: as stupid, stupid, shortsighted. I don't even know what we're

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Speaker 1: Trump administration wants to do it.

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Speaker 3: I think it's really kind of poetic that libertarians, who

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Speaker 3: hate croni capitalism more than anything, they were championing this guy.

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Speaker 3: His stuff fails, and now he's getting saved by checksnotes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, this is all so bad,

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Speaker 1: by the way. It's like, at every point this administration

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Speaker 1: you know, we read Project twenty twenty five, so we

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Speaker 1: thinking when we read it, we did that documentary on it.

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Speaker 1: federal government? Like I remember thinking like what will go

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Speaker 1: away when Trump is in office? Like I remember thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: my kids, my kids don't go to public schools. That's

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Speaker 1: Department of Education. So like just going through the sort

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Speaker 1: there's so much stuff that we get from the federal

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Speaker 1: like safety, air quality, water quality, accurate weather. You know,

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Speaker 1: there are all these billionaires who are really excited for

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Speaker 1: a kind of federal government that doesn't really do anything

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Speaker 1: for anyone because they think that somehow, like they'll pay

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Speaker 1: air quality testing, you know. I mean, I guess you could,

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Speaker 1: but we're not at that moment. It's so shortsighted of

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just such an incredibly dystopian and depressing

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Speaker 3: Well, Wiley, that's so nice of you to queue me up,

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Speaker 3: because our next news story is about how the Trump

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Speaker 1: The great irony is it's costing them so much money. Right,

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Speaker 1: You know. One of the things we see with Trump

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Speaker 3: Speaking of his posting, he absolutely lost it over Jimmy

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Speaker 1: This is not super surprising, though it is interesting and

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Speaker 1: have had Brendan Carr on Benny Johnson's podcast being like,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's I can't believe ABC, fake news gave kim

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Speaker 1: Trill is incredible. Harry Lipman is a former US attorney

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hello Loo, everyone, Welcome to this month's Molly Harry

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Speaker 4: mash Up Politics and Law, in which I get to

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Speaker 4: ask Mally dong Fasts political questions she gets to parry

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Speaker 4: with some legal ones. Maully dong Fast. I gotta say

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Speaker 4: A needs no introduction. B is often short on time,

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Speaker 4: I got a Kimmel question for you, if I could

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Speaker 4: start there, Mollie. So, Trump reacts to the suspension with triumph,

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Speaker 4: But now that Kimmel has been reinstated, Trump is chagrined,

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Speaker 4: but it's not clear he has any cards to play. Still,

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Speaker 4: And does he need now somehow to try to scramble

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Speaker 1: So here's what I would say about the kim Ol situation.

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Speaker 1: I don't see a clear way out of this for Trump.

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Speaker 1: Either he forces Kim off the air, which will be

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Speaker 1: the world's biggest lawsuit, huge pain for him, signs of

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Speaker 4: A flat out First Amendment violation, no two ways about it.

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Speaker 1: But we'll go back besides that, and they'll come careening

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Speaker 4: Well declares victory and moves on.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, right, I want you to talk to us

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Speaker 1: about you used to be in such demand, but now

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Speaker 4: I'm a man without a country. That's right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, don't you feel like there's so many moments

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't. I wish I felt that way

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Speaker 4: a little bit more. Every week there are legal outrages.

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Speaker 4: And I've said this to you before, Mollie. My main

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Speaker 4: of two tier or three tier justice, the Supreme Court

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Speaker 4: the stuff. But I'm really all about the new kind

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Speaker 4: of independent channel of substack and YouTube, and I do

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Speaker 4: what Trump is doing is basically corrupting different areas of

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Speaker 4: law everywhere. Humphrey's executor, that's a pretty darn legal arcane thought.

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Speaker 1: I think this makes more sense if you think of

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Speaker 1: RFK as like a political actor and not as a

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Speaker 1: public health person. So he has a base he wants

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Speaker 1: to me cappy. Trump has a base he wants to

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Speaker 1: make happy. Some amount of trump Ism is maha, probably

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Speaker 1: not as much as we think because they're pretty loud

436
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Speaker 1: and very online. Vaccines are an eighty twenty issue, so

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Speaker 1: maybe there are seventy thirty issue. I think this hurts

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Speaker 1: more than it helps. Also, Tile and all, I mean

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Speaker 1: like Johnson and that family was huge drump doners do,

440
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Speaker 1: which is hilarious. And I just don't think that's the

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Speaker 1: boogeyman they want it. There are all sorts of reasons

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Speaker 1: why it's very destructive to tell women they caused autism

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Speaker 1: by digging tile in all, which.

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Speaker 4: Is not because not just I mean, they're children, right, geez.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also that there's not any evidence to support it.

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Speaker 1: That's also a problem. But I don't know that it

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Speaker 1: scratches the itch the way that they are hoping it does.

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Speaker 1: I do think like Trump really did was very negative

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Speaker 1: on vaccines, and he said things like we're going to

451
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Speaker 1: break it up, it's too much liquid. I mean, that

452
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Speaker 1: stuff was crazy, but it was also maybe what Magabase wants.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it's hard for me to see.

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Speaker 1: This is another thing which I think is like kind

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Speaker 1: of a boondot while that he's going to get stuck in.

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Speaker 1: You tell people not to vaccinate their kids, their kids

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Speaker 1: will die. You're gonna have outbreaks even with the measles stuff.

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Speaker 1: So you can keep people happy with that live for

459
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Speaker 1: only for so long before the bill comes due. So

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Speaker 1: I just think it's a very tough line to walk.

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior is very good at speaking in a way

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Speaker 1: that's just very good at obfuscating in a way that

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Speaker 1: Trump maybe even isn't. Like Trump just says stuff, but

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Speaker 1: he gets away with it because people think he's funny

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Speaker 1: or because whatever, because we've all lost our minds. But

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Speaker 1: RFK is able to say things about things that never

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Speaker 1: answer the question in a way that I think it

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Speaker 1: works very well for him. But ultimately I think I

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Speaker 1: don't know how he does this, And ultimately I think

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Speaker 1: you're going to see RFK really come into closion with

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Speaker 1: Trump because these are both very ambitious people. I don't

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Speaker 1: think Trump is ready to a point, and heir apparent,

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Speaker 1: especially not one that is named Trump.

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Speaker 4: Those are my questions. So fun always to talk to

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Speaker 4: you and get our quick back and forth. Boom boom boom.

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Speaker 4: Shall we call it for September and yeah around Halloween.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're good. Congresswoman Haley Stevens represents Michigan's

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Speaker 1: eleventh district and is a candidate for the Senate in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to past politics, Congresswoman.

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Speaker 5: Haley Stevens, Thank you, Mollie.

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Speaker 1: You have some news you want to tell us about.

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Speaker 1: Talk to us about what you're introducing right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look, it is very clear that we have a quack

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Speaker 5: at the head of Health and Human Services, as a

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Speaker 5: Senate confirmed secretary who is endangering the lives of Americans,

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Speaker 5: our children, our elderly. He is listening to conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 5: He is spouting conspiracy theories. He is cutting cancer research

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Speaker 5: and scientific research programs, and enough is enough. He has

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Speaker 5: allied to senators to get confirmed and in addition to

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Speaker 5: calling on RFK to resign, I am going to be

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Speaker 5: introducing articles of impeachment.

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Speaker 1: Molly, let's accept to both and it. Let's yos for people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about articles of impeachment. Vaccines are an eighty

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Speaker 1: twenty issue. We all know that from that would spring

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Speaker 1: the idea that impeaching RFK Junior would actually be possible.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what it looks like to put out articles

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Speaker 1: of impeachment. I'm drafting them and I'm calling for it

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Speaker 1: because I'm truly sick and tired of this mess. What

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Speaker 1: we saw yesterday accusing tail and all of causing autism,

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Speaker 1: the pain that I am hearing from medical professionals who

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Speaker 1: I know, from constituents who are impacted by this. It's

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Speaker 1: just not right.

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Speaker 5: And the fact is it was on record that he

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Speaker 5: lied to senators and he is continuing to lie. He

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Speaker 5: is firing people who disagree with him. I want to

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Speaker 5: bring this debate forward because I'm a sitting member of

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Speaker 5: Congress on behalf of the great people of Michigan who

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Speaker 5: only see their costs going up, ACA subsidies going away.

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Speaker 5: Seven hundred thousand Michiganers might lose their healthcare. RFK Junior

510
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Speaker 5: creating all this conspiracy. It's not working for people. It

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Speaker 5: needs to be called out. And there are authorities that

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Speaker 5: I have access to as a member of Congress, and

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Speaker 5: I want to say enough is enough, and I want

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Speaker 5: to get this out there, and that's why I'm introducing

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Speaker 5: these articles.

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Speaker 1: So the senator you're talking about is doctor Bill Cassidy,

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Speaker 1: who is the doctor and who really was the deciding

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Speaker 1: vote in his nomination made RFK sort of promise that

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Speaker 1: he wasn't going to go after the vaccines. What happened

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Speaker 1: during that insane tialinal announcement was that, in fact, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump went after the vaccines. But RFK has really undermined

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Speaker 1: a lot of the infrastructure when it comes to MR

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Speaker 1: and a research and the NIAH is lying to a

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Speaker 1: senator an impeachable offense, and if so, is their way

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Speaker 1: to use that for the impeachment.

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Speaker 5: I believe it is. And I also believe endangering the

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Speaker 5: health and safety of Americans is impeachable as well. And

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Speaker 5: what we are getting over and over again is just

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Speaker 5: not serving us. It's not acceptable when you ignore decades

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Speaker 5: of scientific research and the ways in which doctors, true scientists,

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Speaker 5: true medical professionals have put forward research. What authority does

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Speaker 5: he have to cut this off? And Look, this moment

533
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Speaker 5: calls for bold leadership, and that is what I am

534
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Speaker 5: looking to bring to the people of Michigan and to

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Speaker 5: this country to write the ship. It's even been reported

536
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Speaker 5: that the President has felt a little shaky with RFK

537
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Speaker 5: and we've called on him to resign. This has become

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Speaker 5: a big distraction. He continues to stand by him. We've

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Speaker 5: got coequal branches of government. We only are seeing this

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Speaker 5: administration abuse their power. And I've got to act within

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Speaker 5: the prism of the reality that I am in right

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Speaker 5: now as a lawmaker. And that's why I'm introducing these

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Speaker 5: articles of impeachment.

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Speaker 1: Can you get Republican support?

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Speaker 5: Well, Look, I have been named consistently an effective lawmaker.

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Speaker 5: I was just named the most effective Democratic lawmaker for

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Speaker 5: Michigan last term in a Republican Congress, and this has

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Speaker 5: got to be common sense, and I do believe that

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Speaker 5: putting this forward is certainly going to make people question.

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Speaker 5: And I don't see why the entire Republican conference is

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Speaker 5: going to stand by this, just as they're standing by

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Speaker 5: cuts to people's healthcare, rising costs on people. I've also

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Speaker 5: introduced legend that I'm hoping to get Republicans on board

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Speaker 5: with on a different topic. But this is no tariffs

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Speaker 5: on food legislation that I have written, because guess what,

556
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Speaker 5: the costs are only going up at the grocery store, Mollie.

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Speaker 5: We've got one point three trillion dollars of credit card

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Speaker 5: debt in this country. People are putting the grocery bill

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Speaker 5: on the credit card. These should be a bipartising conversation

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Speaker 5: to lower costs on people and RFK Junior, in addition

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Speaker 5: to wreaking havoc on public health protocols, his leadership is

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Speaker 5: also causing costs to go up for people in terms

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Speaker 5: of their healthcare.

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Speaker 1: It looks like there's a shutdown's going to happen. It

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Speaker 1: looks like Democrats want it. What is the thinking care?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I can tell you exactly what I'm thinking, which is,

567
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Speaker 5: as these costs are continuing to go up. Seven hundred

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Speaker 5: thousand Michiganders at threat of losing their health care the

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Speaker 5: premiums because the ACA subsidies have gone away. I've talked

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Speaker 5: to employers and providers about this, who have had to

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Speaker 5: tell their employees that their healthcare costs are going up.

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Speaker 5: This is not acceptable. I need the deal for Michiganders

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Speaker 5: in any budget. And when this administration just acts outside

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Speaker 5: of the bounds of the lawmaking process over and over again,

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Speaker 5: why should we be expected to go along with it?

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Speaker 5: I certainly can't on behalf of the people of Michigan,

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Speaker 5: and that's what I'm pushing for.

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Speaker 1: But a government shutdown will give the executive brand more power.

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Speaker 1: There's an argument to be made that respot executive brand

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Speaker 1: wants the government shut down because they can do a

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Speaker 1: lot of crazy extra judicial stuff. There aren't you worried

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Speaker 1: about that?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm worried about Michiganders and what's happening before my

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Speaker 5: very eyes. I'm running for United States Senate in Michigan.

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Speaker 5: I spent this summer on a tour all across my state,

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Speaker 5: hearing real impact stories people who didn't expect to be

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Speaker 5: put in this position. And so what I can push

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Speaker 5: for in this moment is the best deal for my state.

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Speaker 5: This administration needs to come to the table, period, full stop.

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Speaker 5: We can't sit by while people are being pushed around

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Speaker 5: because we're doing tax cuts for the five billionaires that

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Speaker 5: exists in my state at the expense of everyone else.

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Speaker 5: We've got rising unemployment, rising costs. It's not working and

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Speaker 5: we need better. And the only wake up is for

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Speaker 5: the folks to come to the table. And I'm coming

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Speaker 5: to the table each and every single day for Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you negotiate with someone who's not

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Speaker 1: negotiating in good faith. So they shut down the government. Right,

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Speaker 1: there's an ask for this healthcare money. Explain to us

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Speaker 1: what the ask is and sort of where we are

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Speaker 1: with this shutdown.

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Speaker 5: We can take immediate steps to lower costs. We are

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Speaker 5: seeing this be by partisan on the Affordable Care Act,

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Speaker 5: getting rid of the subsidies have cost people immediately. There

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Speaker 5: is the future point around Medicaid and cuts to Medicaid

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Speaker 5: which will strip Michiganders. What I can do in this

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Speaker 5: moment and why I'm running for Senate, why I'm working

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Speaker 5: so hard as a member of Congress on behalf of

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Speaker 5: people of Michigan is I am standing up for my people.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I.

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Speaker 5: Can articulate to those who will be in that in

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Speaker 5: that lawmaking table. I took a vote in the House,

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Speaker 5: and they know they need us. If they need us,

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Speaker 5: they need to give us something. This has been an

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Speaker 5: unbelievable abuse of power. Why should it be rubber stamped

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Speaker 5: at the expense of hard working Michiganders, people who's earned

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Speaker 5: benefits are on the line. What's happening to food assistance?

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Speaker 5: It's outrageous, It's outrageous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree. So leadership, Democratic leadership made a

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Speaker 1: day to meet with Trump. Trump canceled at who knows why.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the polling sort of shows that the shutdown

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Speaker 1: will be more on Trump than on Democrats, but we

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Speaker 1: don't it is it always is on Trump. What is

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump doing to cut a deal for Michigan. Let

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Speaker 1: me let me narrow this down for you for a

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Speaker 1: minute outside the budget conversation, because you're going and I

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Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, which is what's just a question?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and well, and he doesn't want to negotiate. I mean,

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Speaker 5: he's not working with his own lawmakers, you know, which

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Speaker 5: is out of his own party, you know, and you

631
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Speaker 5: can't act like this. But take take another example here,

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Speaker 5: these tariffs, these blanket excessive tariffs that change by the minute.

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Speaker 5: Fifty five announcements in one hundred days, in the first

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Speaker 5: one hundred days, they're still coming. Now we see this

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Speaker 5: president out there on the world stage, you know, trying

636
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Speaker 5: to push everybody around, claim he's cutting a deal here

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Speaker 5: and there. I right now in the state of Michigan,

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Speaker 5: in witnessing some of the fastest growing unemployment in the Union.

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Speaker 5: Just another announcement this morning of more manufacturing jobs lost.

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Speaker 1: Molly.

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Speaker 5: I represent a really unique part of this country in

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Speaker 5: terms of what drives Michigan is economy, and that's our

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Speaker 5: industrial base. It is a precious sector that needs to

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Speaker 5: be treated with care and respect. That is not happening

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Speaker 5: right now. So you know what I have said to

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Speaker 5: this administration is I can't go along right now. I

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Speaker 5: can't give you my vote on this stuff until you're

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Speaker 5: willing to come to the table. The same thing is

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Speaker 5: at play right now on healthcare. He needs us. This

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Speaker 5: is a wake up moment for Donald Trump and his

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Speaker 5: outrageous leadership style, which has been an abuse of power,

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Speaker 5: and so really nice for him to say, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 5: not going to sit down with the Democratic leaders He's

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Speaker 5: not going to sit down with Michigan and Ers. He

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Speaker 5: and JD. Vance come here. They have these things, own rallies.

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Speaker 5: They're not talking to the small businesses. It's not working.

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Speaker 5: And so you know what this is called accountability. We

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Speaker 5: didn't have this shutdown in the previous administration.

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Speaker 1: I guess. But the question I think is who are

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Speaker 1: the stakes higher for? And I don't know, but Democrats

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Speaker 1: have not pulled ahead in this, like I think the

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Speaker 1: base is mad, and I'm curious about two things. One is, so,

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Speaker 1: why do you think the base is unhappy? And what

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Speaker 1: do you think leadership can do to win them back?

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Speaker 1: And do you think that leadership is just not meeting

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Speaker 1: the moment.

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Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you what I'm doing, which is

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Speaker 5: I'm out here running for a very competitive US Senate

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Speaker 5: seat Mike Rogers, who came very close last time, who's

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Speaker 5: been very clear that he wants to rubber stamp the

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Speaker 5: Trump agenda, who has already been endorsed by Donald Trump,

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Speaker 5: raking in billions of dollars from Texas oil tycoons and

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Speaker 5: the like, that needs to be stopped. That's not going

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Speaker 5: to work for the people of Michigan. In my legislative

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Speaker 5: role right now, what I am doing as I am

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Speaker 5: putting up my hand and I am introducing legislation stop

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Speaker 5: Trump's abuse of power, the Taxpayer Data Protection Act to

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Speaker 5: put guardrails up on Elon Musk going into the private

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Speaker 5: taxpayer database. I'm also introducing legislation called no tariff on food,

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Speaker 5: just introduced one, standing up, how do you come again?

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Speaker 5: This is a leadership moment for me in the Michigan

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Speaker 5: and I am absolutely in a rigorous dialogue with voters

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Speaker 5: whose trust I am seeking to earn. I do that

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Speaker 5: by listening and leading. You know, I have certainly flip

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Speaker 5: seats one tough elections, stood up time and time again.

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Speaker 5: That's the role that I can play in terms of

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Speaker 5: the other dynamics right now. You know, look, there's a

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Speaker 5: lot of pundits who've got a lot of thoughts. But

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Speaker 5: I invite everyone to come to Michigan. See Hailey Stevens

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Speaker 5: on the campaign trail for United States Senate. Get involved,

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Speaker 5: Hailey BRETMI dot com.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you were saying that people you meet

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Speaker 1: on the trail are happy with leadership and they feel that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my question is more of a question, not

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Speaker 1: you know, it strikes me the people who I talk

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Speaker 1: to seem really mad at leadership and they feel like

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Speaker 1: they're not being led. Now, I think your impeachment of

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior are trying to do that. That's the kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff people want, right and they want Democrats to try.

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Speaker 1: They want them to try. That's what I hear from everyone.

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Speaker 1: So this seems to very much be in line with that.

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Speaker 1: But my question for you is more like Senate seats

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Speaker 1: are precious. If you're going to be a senator, are

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Speaker 1: you going to go in there and be like we

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Speaker 1: I've seen some senators go in there and be a

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Speaker 1: complete disaster. I'm thinking about Fetterman, just a complete disaster.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to get this precious Senate seat from

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Speaker 1: a very pretty blue state, like, will you take that

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Speaker 1: and really fight for your constituents? I mean, will you

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Speaker 1: make the hard calls to your friends? You know? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And I can't.

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Speaker 5: I can tell you that I had a tour this

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Speaker 5: summer called maid in Michigan, and I was meeting folks

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Speaker 5: where they were at in their places of work, at picnics,

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Speaker 5: in the neighborhoods. And the number one concern that I

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Speaker 5: have heard over and over and over again is people

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Speaker 5: are freaked out about rising costs and an administration that

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Speaker 5: isn't doing anything about it. Let me give you an example.

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Speaker 5: In the first month of the Trump administration, a fully

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Speaker 5: paralyzed veteran reached out to me through a mutual friend,

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Speaker 5: asking me if he was going to lose his benefit check.

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Speaker 5: I have heard from retirees who are telling me that

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Speaker 5: it is hard to make the choice about Cocona Meala

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Speaker 5: home or going you know, going out to eat, because

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Speaker 5: it's burning a hole in their pocketbook. That is a reality,

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Speaker 5: and that transcends this other political dialogue that's going on.

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Speaker 5: I am running for Senate to fight for my people, Molly.

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Speaker 5: My life has been defined by putting up my hand

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Speaker 5: for Michigan in tough moments. I worked on the campaign

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Speaker 5: at two thousand and eight. I was there when Obama

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Speaker 5: was getting sworn in. I said, if I'm going to

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Speaker 5: do one thing in this administration, I've got to do

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Speaker 5: something for my people in Michigan. The Auto Rescue Steve

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Speaker 5: Ratner needed achieve its staff. I'm pretty sure you know

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Speaker 5: it was. It was, you know, kismet. We met in

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Speaker 5: the halls of transition. We set forward to make sure

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Speaker 5: that the auto companies didn't liquidate, that two hundred thousand

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Speaker 5: Michigan jobs were protected. We brought in organized labor. I

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Speaker 5: ran for United States Congress to flip a seat based

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Speaker 5: on all these values of being honest, being transparent, and yes,

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Speaker 5: taking positions. What you talking about is leadership and I

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Speaker 5: get that with these Senate seats. You said, oh, the

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Speaker 5: Senate seats precious. So is Michigan. So is what Michigan needs.

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Speaker 5: I'm running to be my state's chief lawmaker to lower costs,

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Speaker 5: to deliver and to stand up to this reckless administration

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Speaker 5: in this mold.

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Speaker 1: So you have a large Muslim population in Michigan, lot

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Speaker 1: of voters. It's the place where Uncommitted came from. What

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Speaker 1: is your feeling about APAC About APEC has I think

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Speaker 1: gotten very unpopular in the party, certainly for the base.

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Speaker 1: What is your position on that Paris lost the state.

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Speaker 1: They did not make any overtures towards the uncommitted movement.

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Speaker 1: There were no Muslim speakers at the DNC. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you think that was the squandered opportunity. Where are

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Speaker 1: you on this topic.

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Speaker 5: Now, I can absolutely tell you where I am. It's

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Speaker 5: been heartbreaking. This war has gone on way too long.

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Speaker 5: The pain and suffering that is very palpable here in

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Speaker 5: Metro Detroit that we are seeing in Gaza is impacting

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Speaker 5: us all. It's certainly something that I have stood up for,

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Speaker 5: which is humanitarian aid. I have called on Israel and

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Speaker 5: the United States to work together to get more aid

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Speaker 5: and to alleviate some of the suffering that has gone on.

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Speaker 5: It's heartbreaking, it takes your breath away. I've called for

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Speaker 5: this war to end. We do need to see him

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Speaker 5: as surrender. We do need to see hostages come home.

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Speaker 5: We do need a lasting ceasefire that brings peace to

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Speaker 5: the people of Israel and Gaza. And so that is

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Speaker 5: where I stand on that issue.

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Speaker 1: Schumer is the Minority leader and the senior senator from you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, Senator Schumer.

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Speaker 2: Great to be with you once again, Molly.

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Speaker 1: So talk us through the shutdown. Democrats don't control any

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Speaker 1: branches of the federal government. You are in a moment.

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Speaker 1: You had the chance to do it before. Now you

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Speaker 1: feel it's really the thing. Tell us why we are

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Speaker 1: careening to a government shutdown, and how you can use this.

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Speaker 2: We're kreening to a government shutdown, as you said, because

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is an incompetent president who wants to be king,

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Speaker 2: and he is not doing what the American people need.

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Speaker 2: The bottom line is that all we want to do

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Speaker 2: with Donald Trump. We've demanded that he sit down and

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Speaker 2: talk to us because we need to fight for the

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Speaker 2: healthcare needs of the American people.

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Speaker 1: And this is this deductible. So without this tax credit,

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Speaker 1: Obamacare premiums will go up twenty percent, yeah.

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Speaker 2: More than that for many people. Many things will happen,

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Speaker 2: but Obamacare premiums will go up and average a four

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Speaker 2: four one hundred dollars a person per month, So that's

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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars a year. How much can the average

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Speaker 2: family afford five thousand dollars is a heck of a lot.

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Speaker 2: Even if you're not on Obamacare, your premiums are going to.

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Speaker 1: Go up because of the deduction, because they'll lose a tax.

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Speaker 2: Deduction because people will lose the tax credit, and then

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Speaker 2: the healthcare health insurance companies will charge everyone more. And

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Speaker 2: also with some of the other things they've done, rural

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Speaker 2: hospitals are going to close. Community health centers which provide

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Speaker 2: such good health the poor people will close, and we

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Speaker 2: will have lots of people just lose healthcare all together.

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Speaker 2: In New York State, for instance, over four hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand people will lose healthcare because of the New

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Speaker 2: York state laws, and another four million will lose health

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Speaker 2: care on the ACA. So it's devastating, and frankly, Molly,

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Speaker 2: the American people are on our side.

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Speaker 1: You set up a time to meet with Trump and Jeffries,

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Speaker 1: he cancels it. The House is out of session, like

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Speaker 1: there's no negotiating happening here.

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Speaker 2: Huh yeah, Well, let me tell you what happened. Let

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Speaker 2: me give you a little background here. Starting in late July,

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Speaker 2: Jeffries and I first wrote the two Republican leaders Boone

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Speaker 2: and Johnson to sit down with us and talk about

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Speaker 2: the budget. And we said we wanted to talk about healthcare.

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Speaker 2: That's how it's always done. We said it to them

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Speaker 2: several times, and what did we get back? Crickets zero.

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Speaker 2: And then we learned why Donald Trump actually publicly stated

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Speaker 2: we don't need democrats, we should do this ourselves. The

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Speaker 2: problem is he doesn't know math, you need sixty votes

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Speaker 2: in the Senate to pass anything, and they have fifty three.

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Speaker 2: So what we did is we wrote Donald Trump, Jeffries

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Speaker 2: and I and we said, sit down with us, negotiate.

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Speaker 2: That's how you get these things done. We have some

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Speaker 2: real needs in healthcare and we want to fight as

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Speaker 2: hard as we can to get them done. And frankly,

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Speaker 2: lots of your Republican senators want and congressmen want to

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Speaker 2: get these things done because their constituents are losing the

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Speaker 2: same things we talked about, four hundred dollars going up

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Speaker 2: rural health. Rural hospitals are going to close under this bill.

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Speaker 2: Most of them are in Republican districts. So we sent

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Speaker 2: him sit down and talk with us. And then they

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Speaker 2: called us back and said, okay, we'll do it. How

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Speaker 2: about Thursday at three pm? We said yes. Well, I

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Speaker 2: said to Donald Trump, we'll come to the golf course

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Speaker 2: Nico and sit down and try to get these things done.

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Speaker 2: So they said yes, And then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: yesterday yesterday was rant day for Donald Trump, not that

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Speaker 2: he doesn't rant every day. He ranted the UN and

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Speaker 2: alienated half the world, but he ranted about us. He

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Speaker 2: said we are radical, and so you know what I

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Speaker 2: want to ask him, Molly right on your show. What

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Speaker 2: is radical about trying to have people have adequate healthcare?

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Speaker 2: What is radical about preventing their premiums going up from

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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars a year? What is radical about keeping

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Speaker 2: rural hospitals well may be the only hospitals in the

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Speaker 2: whole community. And he's allows the negotiator, or he's afraid

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Speaker 2: to negotiate with us, and he backed off one of

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Speaker 2: the there's some story one of today's papers is that

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Speaker 2: thun and Johnson didn't want them to negotiate because he

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Speaker 2: thought we'd out negotiate them. But we're going to keep

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Speaker 2: pushing forward on this. We are but pushing.

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Speaker 1: So if you keep pushing forward, the calculus here is

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Speaker 1: that the American people will that either you'll get this

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Speaker 1: healthcare subsidy, which would actually help Republicans in the midterms.

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Speaker 2: Right, oh, well, help everybody, but it's good for people.

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Speaker 2: We can't. This is so important. It's estimated by the way,

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Speaker 2: if their whole big beautiful bill, which is a big,

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Speaker 2: ugly betrayal, pass it, at least fifty one thousand people

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Speaker 2: will die. This is not politics.

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Speaker 1: This is people right, but there are groups, there are

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Speaker 1: Republican groups lobbying for them to do these Obamacare credits too,

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Speaker 1: because they think they'll lose the.

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Speaker 4: House on it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, we're right, right, So this is like a

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Speaker 1: really actually pretty non partisan ask because Republicans could in

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Speaker 1: fact use this their advantage. Fine, if it's the right

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Speaker 1: thing to do, I understand the moral calculus. But the

866
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Speaker 1: larger question is will Democrats be blamed for a shutdown

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Speaker 1: which we can't possibly.

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Speaker 2: Now here's three reasons that we believe it's a Republican shutdown,

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Speaker 2: and God forbid it happens, they will be blamed for it.

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Speaker 2: Number one, it's obvious they're in charge. There's no divided government.

871
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Speaker 2: They have the presidency, they have the Senate, they have

872
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Speaker 2: the House. It's their responsibility to get this to work.

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Speaker 2: You know, Molly, when I was majority leader and we

874
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Speaker 2: had the majority for four years between twenty twenty and

875
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, there were no shutdowns. Why were there

876
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Speaker 2: no shutdowns? We sat down with the Republicans and we

877
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Speaker 2: came to an agreement and it worked. Trump does not

878
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Speaker 2: want to sit down, as you saw, he's not sitting

879
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Speaker 2: with us. And then Johnson goes along and says, we're

880
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Speaker 2: not even going to come back till after the shutdown

881
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Speaker 2: might start. So it's a Republican shutdown number one. They're

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Speaker 2: in charge. Number two, And this really matters to the

883
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Speaker 2: American people. They don't want to sit down and negotiate

884
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Speaker 2: the average American. You don't have to be a big

885
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Speaker 2: liberal or whatever. You just say to yourself, WHOA why

886
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Speaker 2: won't they sit down and negotiate this and listen to

887
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Speaker 2: this when we are Our research shows that when people

888
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Speaker 2: hear that Republicans won't we're going to sit down with us,

889
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Speaker 2: who do they blame for a shutdown? Fifty nine percent

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Speaker 2: blame Trump, thirty one percent blame Democrats. So that's number two.

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Speaker 2: But number three and maybe most important, as you correctly

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Speaker 2: and as usual astutely pointed out, this is something that

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Speaker 2: people from both parties want, and it's the ACA premiums,

894
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Speaker 2: but rural hospitals. These Republican congressmen and senators are hearing

895
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Speaker 2: from their rural hospitals that they could very well close.

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Speaker 2: They're the only health care provider in that count People

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Speaker 2: would have to drive hundreds of miles maybe to get

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Speaker 2: health care. And they're the biggest employer in the county,

899
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Speaker 2: and people will lose their jobs. So you've got so

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Speaker 2: many people and one other thing's happening. So some of

901
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Speaker 2: Medicaid goes to help people pay for people who are

902
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Speaker 2: nursing homes in assisted care living. A lot of the

903
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Speaker 2: nursing homes will close. I was on Staten Island on

904
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Speaker 2: a very nice nurse home. Staten Island's quite Republican, and

905
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Speaker 2: he said, I may well have to close if these

906
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Speaker 2: cuts go through. I have three hundred people who are

907
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Speaker 2: my patients. They're all going to lose their homes. They're

908
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Speaker 2: going to lose their they will have to leave because

909
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Speaker 2: we close. Where are they going to go. They're families

910
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Speaker 2: who might be middle working class, middle class people on

911
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Speaker 2: Staten Island. They don't have an extra room to put

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Speaker 2: them in. They do can't give them the healthcare. So

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Speaker 2: the third reason I believe that we are the American

914
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Speaker 2: people are on our side and will blame the Republicans

915
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Speaker 2: because they see what they are doing is this healthcare

916
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Speaker 2: is not partisan. It's needed by everybody. We all need

917
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Speaker 2: health care.

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Speaker 1: So talk me through the Russ Vought question. Because there's

919
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Speaker 1: a thinking that if there's a government shut down, Republicans, Democrats, whatever,

920
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: it will mean that the president will have more power. Yeah,

921
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Speaker 1: I mean he won't. It won't be legal, but again

922
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Speaker 1: things being legal don't necessarily matter. But even legally, he

923
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Speaker 1: has expanded presidential power in a shutdown. Russ Vought is

924
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Speaker 1: the king of doing this kind of stuff where he

925
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Speaker 1: underminds Congress for spending. How worried are you about that scenario?

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Speaker 1: Are there any checks and balances you can have there?

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Speaker 2: I am really worried about Russ vote in general because

928
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Speaker 2: his project twenty twenty five is just what cut the

929
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Speaker 2: government in half send America into recession. Creat I think

930
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Speaker 2: it would create a great depression with all the job

931
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Speaker 2: loss and money loss in everything else. But he's doing

932
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Speaker 2: it anyway, even before there's a decision shutn He's doing

933
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Speaker 2: these things called recisions. He takes the money back. He's

934
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Speaker 2: doing something call impoundment. Take one thing on healthcare that

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Speaker 2: is so non political research, cancer research, you know, all

936
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Speaker 2: this medical research, he's withholding them even though Congress appropriated

937
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Speaker 2: in the last year's budget, he's holding it back. So

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Speaker 2: Russ vote is a danger. We have to fight him

939
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Speaker 2: in the courts. We have to fight him as best

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Speaker 2: we can legislatively, and there is a proposal to put

941
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Speaker 2: in the negotiations that he can't do this. It would

942
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Speaker 2: be illegal, particularly the pocket recisions. But he's going to

943
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Speaker 2: go ahead, whether there's a shutdown or not and try

944
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Speaker 2: to do this, and we're going to have to fight

945
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Speaker 2: him either way.

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior really scary. Has basically gone back on everything

947
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Speaker 1: he said to Senator Cassidy, like do you see any

948
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Speaker 1: wiggle room there or people sort of or now.

949
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Speaker 2: Well, first, we need your listeners and the American people

950
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Speaker 2: to call their Republican congressmen and senators and say, sit down,

951
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Speaker 2: get us better health care, negotiate with the Democrats. But

952
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Speaker 2: when you talk to the Republicans privately, a lot of

953
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Speaker 2: them are very scared. Fifteen House members I think it's

954
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Speaker 2: fifteen or twelve House members in Republican districts sent a

955
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Speaker 2: letter to Johnson saying, we have to restore these ACA

956
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Speaker 2: credits that you have talked about. We hear it from

957
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Speaker 2: other senators. Lisa Murkowski voted against you know, we all

958
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Speaker 2: voted against their proposal because they wouldn't negotiate, but she

959
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 2: voted with us as well. So yes, there are some

960
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Speaker 2: fissures in the Republicans, but they have to show the

961
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Speaker 2: guts that, you know, whats to say to Trump. I'm

962
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Speaker 2: representing my people, not what you want. And Trump scares

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Speaker 2: a lot of them. But Trump is getting weaker and

964
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Speaker 2: weaker and weaker because the American people know how bad

965
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Speaker 2: this guy is, and we keep fighting him every day

966
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Speaker 2: on all kinds of different issues, but healthcare above all,

967
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Speaker 2: and so are the tariffs too. Have made him so

968
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Speaker 2: much weaker because they're raising costs on everybody and everybody

969
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Speaker 2: knows it. So hopefully our Republican colleagues will realize that

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Speaker 2: they are better off siding with their constituents than siding

971
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Speaker 2: with Trump, who is losing support with the American people

972
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Speaker 2: for good reason.

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Speaker 1: So do you think in the end you're going to

974
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Speaker 1: get a meeting? Johnson sent the Congress home, So it

975
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Speaker 1: seems like we're careening towards us. I mean, is there

976
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Speaker 1: any kind of way to pull the emergency break?

977
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Speaker 2: Well, the bottom line is, you know, you'd have to

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Speaker 2: ask our Republican friends. Of course, friends quote unquote, but

979
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Speaker 2: you'd have to ask them because it's up to them.

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Speaker 2: As I said, we're ready to sit down anywhere anytime

981
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Speaker 2: to start talking. Go to the golf course. Trump is

982
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Speaker 2: watches TV. I'm telling him, show off the TV and

983
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Speaker 2: sit down and negotiate. You know, that's what a president

984
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Speaker 2: should do. And he is not up to the job.

985
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Speaker 2: He wants to be a king and do everything himself.

986
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Speaker 2: But we're fighting him every step of the way.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Senator Schumer.

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Speaker 2: Molly, you're great. Keep up letting people know the truth

989
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Speaker 2: and look forward to coming on the next day, the

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Speaker 2: next time. Thank you, no moment.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon, so Molly.

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Speaker 3: Alex Jones a classic American figure. He interestingly started to

993
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Speaker 3: turn a little sour on mister Trump after many many

994
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Speaker 3: a thing that he does not like, government overreaches, pedophilia, cabals,

995
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Speaker 3: and so. Funny enough, a top DOJ official met with

996
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Speaker 3: him and then threatened Sandy Hook first responders with a

997
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Speaker 3: criminal probe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so, so, so bad. And again the Sandy

999
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Speaker 1: Hook stuff, like, first of all, there's only like Alex Jones,

1000
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: torture these people, okay, period paragraph and now Ed Martin,

1001
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Speaker 1: the head of the DOJ's vague weaponization task Force, which

1002
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Speaker 1: we should just basically.

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Speaker 3: Call favors for friends of the administration.

1004
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Speaker 1: Right threaten to open a criminal investigation into a now

1005
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Speaker 1: retired FBI special agent who sued the Firewright conspiracy theorist.

1006
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Speaker 1: So basically like this is revenge. People who Alex Jones

1007
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: doesn't like get targeted by this government because that's how

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Speaker 1: they do it. And it's wrong. It's bad, it's unbelievably crazy,

1009
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Speaker 1: and it's not only as its supposed to work. That's

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