1 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: What's up everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. Thank you 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: for being here listening, wherever you're coming from, whatever platform 3 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: you're using. So grateful. I love doing this. It's a 4 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: huge honor to have done this now for seven years ish. 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: That's crazy, right. I remember we first started this podcast 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen and I was on tour. I believe 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: that was a Florida Georgia line tour and I can 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: remember playing. I was playing football with Chris Lane, who 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: was another artist on tour at that time, and I 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: remember throwing the football. I was like, I gotta go. 11 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: I gotta get back on the bus. This was back 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: when I was doing the podcast on Wildloower my bus 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: and he was like, what are you doing? What do 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: you gotta go? And I said, I got to go 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: to a podcast and he was like, why did you 16 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: do that? There was probably a good question then it 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: might be a good question now. I love it. I 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: love it. It's a huge honor to answer your questions. 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: You could email me podcast at grangersmith dot com. We 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: could talk about anything. I don't have notes in front 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: of me right now. I think probably the lane that 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: this podcast stays in is kind of in the way 23 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: that you would ask me a question and we're sitting 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: together in the cap of a truck or sitting around 25 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: a campfire, and we got some time. You say, he 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: got to run something by you. And at that point 27 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, well, let me put some notes together 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: and get back to you next Saturday. I would need 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: to answer you right away. So that's kind of where 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: we are with this podcast. That's the format of it. 31 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's also why it would be cool 32 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: to do this podcast live and travel around and go 33 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: to to some different cities and hand out some microphones 34 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: and answer on the fly. We may do that one day. 35 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: I hope we do. Tyler keeps pushing me on it. 36 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: In the meantime, we're gonna do it right now in 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: the form of you Emailing Me podcast At grangersmith dot com. 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: I pulled up this first email and I recognize the name. 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: It's my buddy Clay, who is a deep thinker. He 40 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: is a dog breeder German short haired pointer at Woeelly Kennel, 41 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: and Clay is a great dude. And I know he's 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: gonna I don't know what he's about to ask me, 43 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: but I can tell you right now. It's gonna make 44 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: me think. So. The first email here once again is 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: podcast at grangersmith dot com, and Clay says, Granger, I've 46 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: been pondering your view on pride, and just like that, 47 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: here we go. Welcome to the episode, he says, knowing 48 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: that pride is the queen of all vices, and the 49 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: vices of all queens, the vice of all queens. And 50 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: I've been reluctant to use that word, he says, after 51 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: hearing that you refrain from telling your children you're proud 52 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: of them. I started reflecting on that word and the 53 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: feeling of pride. I have come to the conclusion that 54 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: pride and someone else's accomplishments can't be sinful, but pride 55 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: in oneself is the true sin of pride. When you're 56 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: at the ballgame and the national anthem is playing, and 57 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: the fighter jets are flying over, and you stand a 58 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: little bit taller and your shoulders reared back, that's pride 59 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: in our nation and honor for the ones who fought 60 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: to build and preserve our country. When we change out 61 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: the word pride for honored or pleased in conversation, it's 62 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: merely semantics. How could we avoid that feeling that we 63 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: get at a ballgame, and why should we avoid it? 64 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: He asked, PS, hopefully you'll come to Kansas City for 65 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: the live podcast sometimes between November first and March first, 66 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: so we could run some bird dogs together. Take care 67 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: of Clay. Hey, Clay, thanks for making me think. Great question, buddy, 68 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: and let's dive into it. I'm going to tell you 69 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: right off the bat, the first thing that comes to 70 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: my mind is when you said, you said I have 71 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: come to the conclusion. I'll tell you right now, I 72 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: have not come to a conclusion and I probably won't. 73 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: Hopefully I'll stay unconcluded for a long time. So you're 74 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: a step ahead of me. But I'll tell you this. 75 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: Here's my thoughts on this. Pride, arguably in the Bible, 76 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: is God's most hated sin. God hates pride in us 77 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: more than any other sin, and he is I say 78 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: that because that is more vocalized in the Bible than 79 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: any other. God's hatred for sin for pride. Right on 80 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: the flip side, humility is God's most rewarded attribute of 81 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: one of his children in terms of he speaks more 82 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: about humility and the benefits of it and his how 83 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: well he pleased. He is with it than any other 84 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: attribute you could say, and I'm including love in that, 85 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: so that's not lost on me. He also pins God 86 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: will pin pride and humility against each other many times. 87 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 1: Luke fourteen eleven, for instance, says, those who exalt themselves 88 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. 89 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: So it's always it's always flipped. It's always the reward 90 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: for humility, and it's always the punishment, the disdain, the 91 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: hatred for pride, and so we should eradicate it at 92 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: all costs. We should work on humbling ourselves. I think 93 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: humility comes in two ways. As we see in the Bible, 94 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: we see that we are humbled by God. God humbles 95 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: us through people, circumstances, situations. We will be humbled if 96 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: we live on planet Earth, we just will be. We 97 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: can't control everything, and things will happen that shut us down. 98 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: The other aspect is we are called to humble ourselves. 99 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: How do we do that? That's something we have to 100 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: actively do every day. We're called to humble ourselves. I 101 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: think that starts with, first of all, seeing God for 102 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: who he is and us for who we are. We're 103 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: sinful creatures. He is a sinless creator. He is separated 104 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: from us. God is separated from his creation, and in 105 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: a vast distance that we can't even begin to comprehend 106 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: how much different he is. We are created in his image, 107 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: but that does not mean we are we are beings 108 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: like him. We are not like him. God is set apart, 109 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: he is wholly, He is different from all of his creation. 110 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: This is called in systematic theology. It's it's they use 111 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: the term creator creation distinction or creation creator distinction. That's 112 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: just the idea that that we're not like him, and 113 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: and to ponder on that, to meditate on the distance 114 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: between us and God is mind boggling and humbling, right 115 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: that that's why it humbles us. And then that's why 116 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: it also takes us to the gospel that Jesus closed 117 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: that gap of separation. He came to us because God 118 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: is so far from us indifference and who he is 119 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: and his being in our being that Jesus, knowing we 120 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: could not come to God, came to us God the Father, 121 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: since God the Son, to us to close that gap 122 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: of separation. He came in. He entered humanity as a man, 123 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: lived the perfect life that we couldn't live, and then 124 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: went to the cross as the ultimate form of humility. 125 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: Think about what God did to humble himself in this aspect. God, 126 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: the creator of the universe, comes to earth, and he 127 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: becomes a lowly carpenter's son and a lowly little nothing 128 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: village with a lowly people, and he lives a lowly 129 00:07:54,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: life that's wild. He was born in a cave in 130 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: a manger with animals because there was no room for 131 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: him at the end. If you read the Bible, you 132 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: see the value that God gives in humility, humbling ourselves, 133 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: and so much so that he models it by going 134 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: to the cross and dying, and that death becomes really 135 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: the attack on pride itself becomes that death on the 136 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: cross becomes what defeats pride in us in all other sin. 137 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: That's the gospel. So to ponder that, to ponder the 138 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: vastness of God and the finite the creatures that we are, 139 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: that is a huge way to humble ourselves. Look at 140 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: it this way. God needs nothing. God doesn't need us 141 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: at all. He exists only because He exists, and he 142 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: exists outside of any kind of need or growth or 143 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: desire or want or longing or craving anything. It's all 144 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: alone in that, and we are totally dependent upon him. 145 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: If God doesn't exist, I don't exist. If I don't exist, 146 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: God still exists. Right. A good way to think about 147 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: this is when we go to sleep, and we are 148 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: totally dependent upon God. When we're sleeping, we have no 149 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: control over anything. When we're sleeping, we're unconscious to the world, 150 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: and yet our body, as God sustains it, as sustains us, 151 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: just keeps operating or it doesn't. It all depends on Him, 152 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: not us. We can't control our own sleep. That's a 153 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: humbling thought. So that's one way and probably the first 154 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: way we should always start. Besides, you know, going to 155 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: the Bible, learning more about who God is, concentrating on 156 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: spiritual disciplines, making sure we eradicate pride from our lives. 157 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: And that's that's why I don't want to use that 158 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: word around my kids. I don't want to tell my 159 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: kids I'm proud of you and said I want to. 160 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: I want to be careful with that word. And I 161 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: think Clay's right that that could be semantics, and I 162 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: agree with you. Aren't you just trading out one word 163 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: for another? Yes? But I'm But I'm also with my 164 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: mind trying to take captive every thought and saying I 165 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: don't even want that word in my mind so that 166 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't find its way back into my life. 167 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: And I don't want to model that for my kids 168 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: and use that word and say, well, it's okay to 169 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: say it here. It's just not okay to feel it. 170 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: You're on your own. And so I try to use 171 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: the language that the Bible will use. God says, not 172 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: that I'm God, but I'm trying to use I try 173 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: to emulate that language. I try to be like that, 174 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: which is what we're called the dude as Christians. And 175 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: so God of His Son of Jesus, he says, this 176 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: is my son whom I'm well pleased. It doesn't say 177 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: this is my son whom I'm proud of. So we 178 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: should we should mark that and go, Okay, there's something 179 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: to that. I don't know exactly what it is, and 180 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: I I agree with all what Clay is saying, but 181 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: I think as we dig deeper, there's something sinister in there. 182 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: I think it is even standing at the ball game 183 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: and the Fighter Jets fly over and you stand taller 184 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: in your shoulders back and you say I'm proud of 185 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: my country, and I agree with you, Clay, I think 186 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: there's something sinister deep down in there. I think there's 187 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: something sinister even about telling your kids you're proud of them. 188 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: It's not I'm not saying don't encourage your kids. I'm 189 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: not saying don't tell them. Hey, I'm so pleased with you. 190 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: I'm so happy with what you've done. You work so hard, 191 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: and I'm so pleased with the hard work that it's 192 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: paying off. I love to see that in you. That's 193 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: okay to do, that's great. I'm just saying, let's avoid 194 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: that word i'm proud of you, because there's something sinister 195 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: in that. And think, think with me for a second. 196 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I wouldn't see the Olympics and see 197 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: China do something and think I'm proud of China. I'm not. 198 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be proud of China. I could say I'm impressed, Wow, 199 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm super impressed with what China did. In the same way, 200 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: I wouldn't see a kid in the Middle East or 201 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: Asia or Africa someplace far from here. I wouldn't see 202 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: a kid and go I'm really proud of that kid. 203 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: He did something on TV or on the news and 204 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: it was, you know, respectable, and I wouldn't say I'm 205 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: proud of that kid. Why Why would I not say it? 206 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: Because I'm only proud of things that are connected to me, 207 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: and so deep down, somewhere, deep down, even when I'm 208 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: at the ballgame and the Jets are flying over, I'm saying, 209 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm proud of my country. I'm proud of the men 210 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: that fought to preserve the freedom that we have. I'm 211 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: proud of it. Why am I proud of it? Why 212 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: would I use that word? Because deep down that word 213 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: pride is because it benefits me. At the end of 214 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: the day, when I'm looking out at the rest of 215 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: the world, I say, I'm proud of this. I'm proud 216 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: of my country because that's where I'm from and it 217 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: makes me look good. And we don't admit that. But 218 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: I think if we go down to the very root 219 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: of that word and what it means and what the 220 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: Bible says that it is, I believe we find in 221 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: ourselves that it is just about ourselves. We say the 222 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: same thing about our kids that we say, I'm proud 223 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: of you, son, and what we mean by that At 224 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: the core of it, without even thinking about it, we mean, 225 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: you make me look good because you are my son. 226 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: You make my family name worthwhile, because you just did 227 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: something that made me look good to the outside world, 228 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: to everyone looking in. I wouldn't say that to the 229 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: kid down the street. I wouldn't see a kid who 230 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: hit a baseball and go up and go, I'm proud 231 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: of you. Unless it was my community that he was 232 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: representing and we were going against another community, or it 233 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: was my state going against the rest of the state, 234 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: or it was in my country going against another country. 235 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: Then I would say, I'm proud of you because you 236 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: benefit me, you make me look better. I'm from here, 237 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: i was born here, and you just made me look 238 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: a little bit better to other people watching. That's why 239 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. We don't say that, but I 240 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: think deep down in the core of it, it's rotten. 241 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: So it's so hard to be on a podcast and 242 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: to talk about humbling myself because in the very nature 243 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: of being on a podcast, it's very difficult to not 244 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: try to exalt myself and look, how look, how humble 245 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: I am. Hey, let me tell you all how good 246 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: I am it'd being at showing humility. Look how good 247 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: I am at displaying humility. It's awful, right, It's rotten 248 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: to the core. It's hard to even talk about. So 249 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: because of all these reasons, Clay, I choose to not 250 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: even bring that word into my life, to not model 251 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: it in front of my children. And I think it's 252 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: a good conversation starter. Why does Dad say silly things 253 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: like I'm so well pleased with you? Oh, you don't know? 254 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: Because he believes the language of the Bible is so 255 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: fierce against pride that he will do anything to remove that, 256 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: even from his own language. To us, it's a disease 257 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to spread it any further. I 258 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: think that's there's nuance to all these questions. But I 259 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: think that's where I am right now. Next question comes 260 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: from Pamela says, Hey Granger recently started loving Christian music, 261 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: many artists and many genres. I find such peace when listening. 262 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: I heard you say in your podcast several months ago 263 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: that there was a side to it that you could 264 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: speak to at some point, or something to that effect. 265 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: Could you please dive deeper into this? For me, music 266 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: has always been important to me. But obviously following and 267 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: maintaining my relationship with Jesus is my main focus. Thanks 268 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: for all you do in christ Pamela, Hey Pamela, thank 269 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: you great question. There's there's no deep secrets I have 270 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: about Christian music. I could just tell you that Christian music, 271 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: just like any other genre, country music, rap music, rock music, 272 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: popped me all of it. If it's a business and 273 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: it's selling big numbers, then it has a team built 274 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: around it that really are all about that those numbers. 275 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: There is no team in any kind of music business 276 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: if they are promoting big business, big big numbers, and 277 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: as far as like the artist is singing in arenas 278 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: and touring, there is no group that is free of this. 279 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: And I think it's probably a good example to go 280 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: back to Luke fourteen eleven. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, 281 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: Whoever humbles himself will be exalted. Jesus said that, and 282 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: I think it was serious. I think we should take 283 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: them seriously about this. I think let me get back 284 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: to that, because that that's a key that's a key 285 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: piece for me. You know, Parker told me one time, 286 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: because I talked I talk often about especially with closed doors. 287 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: I talked often about why I left music, and Parker says, hey, 288 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: you should say that more often, because I don't think 289 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: people quite know. I think I think they think you 290 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: left music because it was taken up too much time, 291 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: or you just your heart wasn't in it anymore, or 292 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: you were you you wanted to be with your family more, 293 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: or you just didn't love it like you used to. 294 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 1: You know, all these things, And the real reason was 295 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: it was a sin for me because I was exalting myself. 296 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: And I don't think there's any other way around it. 297 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: I don't, and I would, I would speak pretty firmly 298 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: about this that I don't think you could be in 299 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: an arena and there are a Christian artists that do 300 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: this on a regular basis, And perhaps I'll get I'll 301 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: get bolder and bolder in my discussions about this because 302 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone can avoid it. And I used 303 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: to use language like this is just me. I'm just 304 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: speaking for myself. But it's nearly impossible for anyone to 305 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: be in a thirty thousand seat arena full. They're on 306 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: a stage and they're singing about Jesus and everyone's singing 307 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: along with them. And it's very difficult for that person 308 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: not to start thinking highly of themselves in that way, 309 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: and there is corruption that follows. Hate's really connected to 310 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: the question we just had about pride. I would choose, 311 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: as a Christian to eradicate every chance that I might 312 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: have to exalt myself and instead replace that with a 313 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: chance to humiliate myself. Really, and it's not that, it's 314 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: not that just at the last few years, I was 315 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: really exalting myself. I was always doing that because you 316 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: have to. It's a business. If you want to grow, 317 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: if you want to succeed in the music business, your 318 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: numbers need to grow. If you want to put fuel 319 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 1: and the buses and the truck and pay all the 320 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: salaries of all the crew. If you want to grow, 321 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: your numbers have to keep growing, and if they're not, 322 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: you're failing. And so in order to grow, you need 323 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: to exalt yourself. You can't get away with not exalting yourself. 324 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: You can't say this is just not about me. And 325 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: then you're out in the middle of an arena, on 326 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: the in the middle of a stage with all the 327 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: lights literally all about you, and the microphone all about you, 328 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: and everyone that bought a ticket. It's literally the ticket 329 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: is all about you, the billboard is all about you, 330 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: the advertising for the show, it's all about you. If 331 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: it wasn't all about you, then they wouldn't come. You 332 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't say, Hey, there's a random, contemp very Christian concert 333 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: down at the arena. You want to come, And people 334 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: aren't lining up for that. They're lining up for the individual. 335 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: It has to be all about the individual, and you 336 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: have to praise them, and you have to literally worship them, 337 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: and you have to go otherwise they're failing. So this 338 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: was always happening with me since the beginning of music business. 339 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: I was always doing this, and it wasn't until I 340 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: was a Christian, a reborn Christian, not a cultural Christian 341 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: that I said I was forever, but until I was 342 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: a reborn Christian it started to feel disgusting to me. 343 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: And I made it for several years in it before 344 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: it was just too much to bear. I am exalting myself. 345 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: I am needing people to praise me, I am needing 346 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: people to worship me. I wouldn't use that kind of 347 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: language because that sounds weird, it sounds idolistic, but it is. 348 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: It is people aren't made to be worshiped. They are not. 349 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: They since the beginning of time, look back in history, 350 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: anyone that was worshiped or praise greatly ended up being 351 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: a really either really weird, really isolated. Are they committed 352 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: suicide or they died because they ate too many peanut 353 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: butter jelly sandwiches in the middle of the night. That's 354 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: just the way it is. No one ends up okay, 355 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: No super megastar ends up in the end. Okay, they're 356 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: a happy person. Everything's normal about their lives. It's not 357 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: ever like that. Not ever. You can't give me a 358 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: single example when someone was a megastar, they had mega 359 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 1: influence and you looked at them as an actual normal 360 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: human being. It starts affecting you. It's that disease. It's 361 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: that disease of pride. It starts starts carving away at 362 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: the very essence of what makes you human. Humans are 363 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: not made to be worshiped in any way. And this 364 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: is not a knock on Christian music. It's not country music, 365 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: it's not rock music. It's the actual idea that a 366 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: man or a woman could be at the center of 367 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: all that attention and still be okay. There is extreme 368 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: corruption in the Christian music industry. I've seen it. But 369 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: that's not a knock again on that industry. It's all 370 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: of it. It's all of it. Okay. So Pamela, what 371 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: does that mean for you? Because if you listen to 372 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: a Christian song and you feel closer to Jesus, I 373 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: think that's great, and I think that's it's a great 374 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: thing to do. It's a great that's a great thing 375 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: to listen to as opposed to all the other stuff 376 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: you could be all this stuff you could be filling 377 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: your mind with. I think it's great to listen to that. 378 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: But there's a nuance because then I say, or are 379 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: we doing this on Sunday morning? Because if it's Sunday morning, 380 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: I want to know that we're singing songs about that, 381 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: we're mixing in songs with who God is, and we're 382 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: staying away from the boyfriend Jesus songs Chris and I 383 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: Chris Lee, We're we're speaking at a men's group, and 384 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: I've spoken many of them this year, so you guys 385 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to identify the one which one I'm 386 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: calling out. But sometimes the songs are so horrible because 387 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: they are contemporary Christian songs that we're singing at a 388 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: men's gathering, and it's it's like we're at a pop 389 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: concert and the songs. I told Chris, I said, if 390 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: you can, his wife's name is Alison. I said, if 391 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: you could replace Jesus or God in the song for 392 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: the name Alison, if you could easily replace it. And 393 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 1: every song is like that, then it's a boy This 394 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: is a boyfriend thing. This is Jesus the boyfriend. Oh, 395 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: you do so much for me. You are you are 396 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: all that I need. When I'm lonely, I go to you, 397 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: and you are you feel everything in me. You know, 398 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: this is Jesus the boyfriend, but we're not learning anything 399 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: about who he is. And so that's why I caution 400 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: against that on Sunday morning, because it's great for you 401 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: in the car, and I don't mean to make fun 402 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: of it, because if you're singing in the car, you're 403 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: you're you're singing in in the living room, in the kitchen, 404 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: you're you're, you know, you're brushing your teeth and you 405 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: got it playing and it's like you're all I need, Jesus, 406 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: you are all I need. All I need is Jesus Great. 407 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: I think that's good that that stuff should be going. 408 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: But if you're in church on a Sunday morning, you 409 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: also need to know about who he is, not just 410 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: your need for him. Who is he? And and remember 411 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: that that creator creation distinction. We need to start knowing 412 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: He is holy, he is different. We are in need 413 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: of him because of this, and he is this because 414 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: of this, and my situation is this, and so therefore 415 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: I need him because of this. We need we need 416 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: to know, We need to know some scripture. We need 417 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: to know who he is in these songs so that 418 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: that's the nuance Sunday mornings. We need to be deeper, 419 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: We need to we need to dig deeper. If you 420 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: could replace your boyfriend or your girlfriend's name with the 421 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: Jesus or God in the song and every single song 422 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: is like that, there's a problem. That's a me centered worship. 423 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: We got to stay clear of that. If you have 424 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: a small business, especially e commerce like we do at 425 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: Ee Apparel, you might want to hear about what I 426 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: have to say. Shopify has been so impactful for us 427 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: because it takes all the mechanics out of selling and 428 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: taking credit card orders, and it gives us the ability 429 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: to just be creative again and not worry about that stuff. 430 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: Shopify has been doing this for us for years, and 431 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: not just ee Apparel, but literally millions of businesses use Shopify. 432 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you think about a great product, maybe you 433 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: have that already, a cool brand, a brilliant marketing scheme, 434 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: but an often overlooked secret is actually the business behind 435 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: the business marketing, and that is the selling part, making 436 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: buying easy for shoppers basically, and that is why we 437 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: ee Apparel use Shopify. 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It's a great 456 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: way for you and I to stay in contact and 457 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: to get someone a gift that might seem to have everything. Hey, 458 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: get him a gift at cameo dot com slash Grangersmith. Okay. 459 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: Next question comes from Gloria and she says, hey, Grangeer, 460 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: I have a Catholic friend, and I believe any religion 461 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: can be saved. He says, I am a lost soul 462 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: and that's how I was raised. I believe he was 463 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: manipulated into thinking Catholic is the only way. I believe. 464 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: No religion is better than others, but it's what you 465 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: believe in your heart. He believes you don't have to 466 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: be born again to go to heaven. His sister is 467 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: also married to to my brother. Sorry, this caused two 468 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: of my brothers to become Catholic. I know you can't 469 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: get unsaved, but it's influencing my nieces and nephews and 470 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: my other in laws that aren't religious. I don't want 471 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: to start a fight, but I really would like to 472 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: see them in heaven. How could I witness to them? Okay, Glory, 473 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: let me try to follow you here. There's one part 474 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to read again because I haven't read this 475 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: question till just now. This caused two of my brothers 476 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: to become Catholic. I know you can't, you can't get unsaved, 477 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: but it's influence. Okay. I believe that I would need 478 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: a lot of follow up on this. So with so 479 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: many of these questions I need, I need some more information, 480 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: and you can't give it because you're not here with me. 481 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: And that's okay. So we're just gonna go with what 482 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: I know. That creates the nuance that just so you know, 483 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: there's missing information I would want to want to follow 484 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: up on. But here's my questions. One, you said I 485 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: believe any religion can be saved. You say, he says, 486 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm a lost soul and that's how I was raised. 487 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: And then you say I believe no religion is better 488 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: than others. But it's what you believe in your heart. Okay, 489 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: So technically, yeah, any religion can be saved. No religion 490 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: is better than another, I mean technically, but that's like 491 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: the beginning of the conversation. Because no one is saved 492 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: unless they believe in Jesus as their lord. That's what 493 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: the Bible says. So that includes cultural Christians, that includes 494 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: cultural Catholics, that includes LBS, that includes Muslims, that includes Buddhist, Hindu, atheists, everybody, everybody, 495 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: without distinction, all of them have nothing until they have Jesus, 496 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: until they have faith in Jesus. That's what the Bible says. 497 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: So you're not going to be saved unless you believe 498 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: and you trust for Jesus that jesus death on the 499 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: cross and resurrection was sufficient for forgiving your sins, and 500 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: you turn to him by faith, repenting of your old life, 501 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: and you put on the new self, turned to him 502 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: by faith. That's called a new birth. Jesus talks about 503 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: this in John three. And it's interesting to your friend 504 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: here because Jesus says unless one is born again, he 505 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. That goes directly against 506 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: what your friend says. He believes you don't have to 507 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: be born again to go to Heaven, so that's alsoly 508 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: not a Catholic wouldn't believe that either. So what we're 509 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: probably dealing with here is nominal Catholicism, right. I believe 510 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: there are Catholics. I know there are Catholics who are saved, 511 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: but I believe it is a because of it, because 512 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: of the lower view of scripture. Historically, it's a dangerous 513 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: place to be, and I think being a Protestant might 514 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: be more dangerous than that. Honestly, from what I've seen it, 515 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: as much as I've traveled, as much as I've seen churches, 516 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: I think being a Protestant that is content with a 517 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: cheap version of grace. Jesus saved me. I believe in Jesus. 518 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: I do I need to, don't need to do anything. 519 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, it's order saved by grace, So 520 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: I don't you know, nothing in my life is different. Yeah, 521 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm born again. It's all lip service, I think. I 522 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: think being a Protestant, especially in the Bible Belt of America, 523 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: is a very very dangerous cultivation of cultural Christianity. It's 524 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 1: like a Petri dish for cultural Christianity. So so I 525 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: think being a nominal Catholic, being in being, in being 526 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: anything other than a than a born again believer in 527 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,239 Speaker 1: Jesus is not going to save you. You're you are 528 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: on the broad way, You're not on the narrow path. So, Gloria, 529 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: there are so many questions I have for you, and 530 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: and I you know, I know, so I want to 531 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: I want to dive deeper into this. But the only 532 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: thing you say, I don't want to start a fight, 533 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: but I really like to see them in heaven. How 534 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 1: can I witness to him? You got to tell them 535 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: the gospel. That's what witnessing is. You. You love them, 536 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: you have an urgency for their souls, and you you 537 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: you you care for them, and you tell them the gospel. 538 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: That's that's a wide general answer, but that is the answer. 539 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: There is no other way. There's no other way to 540 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: do it. There's no special secret. Apologetic you say, I 541 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: believe he was manipulated into thinking Catholic is the only way. 542 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: That's what you said, Jesus is the only way. It's 543 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: not being a Protestant, it's not being a Catholic, it's 544 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: not being anything. It's being a follower of Christ and 545 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: taking him at his words. It's literally taking the Bible 546 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: and reading it for what it is and what it says. 547 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: It is inspired by God, the word of God, and 548 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: living it out and so that the life that you 549 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: live reflects the changed person that you are because of Jesus, 550 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: who gave you a new heart. It's from the work 551 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: of the Holy Spirit that has regenerated you and to 552 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: something that you weren't before. You were once dead in 553 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: your trespasses, and you're regenerated into a new person. And 554 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: then slowly, through this thing that the Bible calls sanctification, 555 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: you're slowly becoming more and more made into the image 556 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,479 Speaker 1: of Christ. And this is a hard process. And as 557 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: you're reborn and you're saved and you're now a new creation, 558 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: the Bible says, and second Crint deans you are. You 559 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: are a new creation. And because of that, you you're 560 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: separated from the world. You're you're now you're now set 561 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: apart from the world, but you still have old tendencies. Look, 562 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: i am I heard a guy say it like this. 563 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: When you're born again, it's like buying a house, right. 564 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: A professor told me this. You buy the house and 565 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: you get the keys and you close. You go to 566 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: you go to the closing office, the title company, and 567 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: you get the keys and you go to your house. 568 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: You're born again. It's your house, right, it is your house. 569 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: But it becomes more and more your house as you 570 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: start to live in it and live it out. You 571 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: bring in furniture, you paint a wall, you change things. 572 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: You over some years, you remodel, you do something to 573 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: the landscape. More and more it becomes more and more 574 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: your house, even though it's always when you were born 575 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: again and when you got the keys you closed, it 576 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: was your house, but it was a lot more your 577 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: house ten years down the road, and even much more 578 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: your house twenty years down the road than it was 579 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: the day you first walked over that threshold. So that sanctification. 580 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: You are christ, You are a Christian, but you're more 581 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: and more in His image. As you're sanctified in the 582 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: old house starts to slowly go away and disappear. In 583 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: the new house is being further built out. That's the 584 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: only way. It doesn't matter where you came from. It 585 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: doesn't any religion could turn into this. So when you 586 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: say there's no religion a better than another, I agree, 587 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: but it all has to be in that house wherever 588 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: you come from, it has to go there, it has 589 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: to come through Jesus, and you have to be born again. 590 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: Encourage you to go back. Can read John three the 591 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: whole chapter. Nico Demons is asking questions in the middle 592 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: of the ninete, going I don't understand this, and Jesus says, 593 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: you're telling me you've been a teacher of the law 594 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: and you don't understand what it means to be born again. 595 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: It's an interesting conversation. I think anyone would do well 596 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: going back and thinking through that, and it might change 597 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: your perspective. I don't know what you mean by any 598 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: religion can be saved, but it might change that as well. 599 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: And I don't know. Without any further questions, I don't know. 600 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've answered you or correctly or not. 601 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: But I think the main question is how could I 602 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: witness to him? And I say, you tell them the 603 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: Gospel and you will love him, live it out, live 604 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: it out in front of him, and that's the way 605 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: it is. Next question comes from John. It says, hey, Grangeer, 606 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: my name is Ben. I don't know. I don't know 607 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: how that happened. Either aunt man who put this together 608 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: wrote the wrong name, or that's actually the email was 609 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 1: John And anyway, my name is Ben. I love your podcast. 610 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: I went back and listened to all of them. Wow. 611 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: My question is, how would you handle having a foster 612 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: child for a year and then got the opportunity to adopt, 613 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: But the child will not bond with your wife, but 614 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: only bonded to you. We're having this problem right now. 615 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: My wife is trying so hard to bond, but he 616 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with her. And he is our 617 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: first placement in foster care since we've been licensed. We 618 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: love him and we would love to have a child, 619 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: but we found out that having our own will be 620 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: very challenging due to my medical issues. We have made 621 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: the most challenging decision that we'll ever have to make 622 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: by having him placed in a new home because he's 623 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: just not bonding with my wife and treating her badly. 624 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: She so wants to bond. Thanks, have a blessed it 625 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: all right? Hey, Ben, thanks for the email. It's super 626 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: vulnerable and I appreciate you bringing me into this. So 627 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: let me scan for a mention of God. You know, 628 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta do that because if God's not 629 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: at the center of this, it's just not going to 630 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: work anyway. If God's not that, If if God and 631 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: his love and grace is not the driving influence behind 632 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 1: this fostering, then I wouldn't I want to do it. Okay, 633 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: I don't think there's another way to say it. And brother, 634 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: I love that you're you're in this foster care system. 635 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: I mean, God bless you for that. It's amazing. That's 636 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: totally selfless. Going back to the very first question, that's 637 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: a great way to humble yourself by going down the 638 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: to fostering. There is a there's a great amount of 639 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: humility in that saying my time, my space, my material 640 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: goods I'd now offer to you. And there's such a 641 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: biblical connection to that, to what we get as sinners 642 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 1: saved by grace, as God saves us and regenerates us, 643 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: and then we become co heirs of the kingdom that 644 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: Jesus gets by divine right. We get to share as 645 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: we get to share the inheritance of the kingdom. So 646 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: there is a there's an interesting biblical connection between fostering 647 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: and that and that we didn't deserve it in the 648 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: same way that you could make an argument this that 649 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: the foster child doesn't deserve to be fostered to have 650 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: a good, loving family, just like we don't deserve it, 651 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: and God brings us in. Okay, So I want to 652 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: I want to go there first and say that the 653 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: gospel should drive this, all of this. And if the 654 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: Gospel drives it, and you're like we said on the 655 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: last question, if you're born again Christian, then you would 656 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: be involved in a local church and you would be 657 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: serving in that local church, and they would be serving you, 658 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: and you would be loving as a brother and that 659 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: local church and they will be loving you as a 660 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: fellow sibling, brothers and sisters in Christ. And these kind 661 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: of decisions would be made in community, which we've talked 662 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: on this podcast. If you've listened to every episode, you've 663 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: probably heard how much I hammered down on the community 664 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: of the local church, and its existence is in essence 665 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: the body, the Body of Christ. And so in the 666 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: Body of Christ, we operate as different members and we 667 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,439 Speaker 1: function together as a system. And so you go through 668 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: something really serious like a divorce or the loss of 669 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: a child, or the fostering of a child, or the 670 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: loss of a job, all of these things. You're brought 671 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: into the family that functions as a system, and you 672 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,399 Speaker 1: go to your brothers and sisters and you say, having 673 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: some problems, can you pray for us? Can you give 674 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: us some counsel? What did you do when you did this? 675 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: What did you do? What would you do? These are 676 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: things that they can come over and they could help 677 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: you with. So let's start there. You're going to need that. 678 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: And I can understand how this child is just not 679 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:27,320 Speaker 1: bonding with your wife. That's not too far fetched. We 680 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: would never be so arrogant into thinking, not that you are, 681 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: but we would never be so arrogant to think that 682 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: we could bring in a child and this child's going 683 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 1: to love us because of who we are. A foster 684 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: child has so many needs that need to be met 685 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: in a unique way, and sometimes I think it's just 686 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: it's not going to be the right match. Do you 687 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: hope that it is and you pray that it is, 688 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: but just sometimes it's just not. And so you wouldn't 689 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: want to bring this child in and say, hey, you 690 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: need to make this work because this is this is 691 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: what life has dealt you right now. I don't think 692 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: you would go that route with a foster child. I 693 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: think they've they've been dealt enough, and so I think 694 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: I would work closely with the local church, and I 695 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: would work very closely with this agency. They should be 696 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: they should be in this with you, and I think 697 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 1: they probably are, and they're going to eventually you're gonna 698 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: land and say, hey, we just can't. We can't fit 699 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: this square peg in a round hole. The kid doesn't 700 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: love my wife and he's actually treating her badly to 701 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: the point of maybe, I don't know, maybe there's some 702 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: kind of physical altercation that could happen, Maybe there's a 703 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: threat on her life. Maybe I've seen that before. And 704 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: if you got to that point, it's just not the 705 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: right fit, and your heart breaks. My heart breaks for 706 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: that thought, my heart breaks for the foster kid. But 707 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: but that doesn't change the fact that we should make it. 708 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,240 Speaker 1: Even though it doesn't my heart breaks into we should 709 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: make it fit. I think at some point you get 710 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: your wives counsel, you get your church wrapping their arms 711 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: around you, you're working closely with this agency, and together 712 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: you go, I don't think it's the right fit, and 713 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: so we're gonna We're gonna go to a plan B 714 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 1: and that means we're gonna work together on finding another 715 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: family that that they work, they could reciprocate love back 716 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: and forth with each other, and there's not weirdness, there's 717 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,720 Speaker 1: not a threat of possibly there being a danger. Because still, 718 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 1: even even though your heart is in the right place 719 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: and I love that you're you're doing this and you're 720 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,280 Speaker 1: bringing this foster child in, still that doesn't that doesn't 721 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: change the fact that your wife is your priority in 722 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: this household. She is your priority in this household. If 723 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 1: you don't make sure that's right, and you try to 724 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: fix something that's that can't be fixed, you try to 725 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: force something that just is not gonna fit, uh, then 726 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: your jeting your own marriage. And if you jeopardize your marriage, 727 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: then there's no chance for any of this. There is 728 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: no chance for a future fostering, There is no chance 729 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: for adoption. It's over if you don't get this fixed. 730 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: And so put your priority on her, love her, hear her, 731 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: acknowledge her, have compassion on her, because she looks like 732 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 1: sounds like she desperately wants this fostering thing to work, 733 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: and it's just not. And so wrap your arms around 734 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: her and say, honey, if you're an amazing wife. I 735 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: love you so much and my heart breaks that it 736 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: didn't work with this child because I know you wanted 737 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: it to. But we trust God he's sovereign, and we're 738 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 1: not going to force this if it just if we've done, 739 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: if we've responsibly done everything that we can do and 740 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,840 Speaker 1: it's not working, then this could be to the detriment 741 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: of the child, and we don't want that. We want 742 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: what's best for the child in the situation. The child's 743 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 1: been through enough, and so you love her in that way, 744 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: and you're a team and you work together and you 745 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: push forward together as one unit, functioning unit, husband and wife. 746 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: And don't let these the the feeling of you've got 747 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,919 Speaker 1: medical issues and you couldn't give her a baby. Don't 748 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: you dare let that creep in, because because if you 749 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 1: start to think, if you let that deceitful idea creep 750 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,800 Speaker 1: into this marriage, that you need to make this fostering 751 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 1: work because you have medical problems, you couldn't give her 752 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 1: a baby, and so this is you are hurting her 753 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: and you're you're ruining her chances of being a mother 754 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,240 Speaker 1: because you have a flaw, and so you need therefore, 755 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: you need to make this fostering thing work. That is dangerous. 756 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 1: Run from that, destroy that feeling within you. Don't let 757 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 1: it creep into your marriage at all. And I think 758 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna be good if you take this advice. I 759 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: think you're gonna be good. I'm not going to start 760 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: another I have another one. I'm not gonna start it. 761 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: I'll put it on next week because we're running out 762 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,439 Speaker 1: of time. But I love you guys, and we'll see 763 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: you next podcast. Thanks for joining me on the Granger 764 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: Smith Podcast. I appreciate all of you guys. You could 765 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: help me out by rating this podcast on iTunes. 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