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Speaker 1: Taking a Walk.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Henry Dilts and I'm sitting here at the

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Speaker 2: famous Arts Deli and Studio City. I'm having lunch with

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Speaker 2: Buzz Night and we're doing Taking a Walk Interview.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast with your host

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Speaker 3: Buzz Night, the podcast where Buzz talks with musicians and

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Speaker 3: insiders about the amazing stories in their music history. On

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Speaker 3: this episode, Buzz returns to Studio City, California, to Arts

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Speaker 3: Delhi to meet up with the iconic music photographer Henry Dilts.

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Speaker 3: Henry has photographed a virtual who's who of classic rock legends,

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Speaker 3: from David Crosby and Crosby Stills, A Nash to James Taylor,

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Speaker 3: Keith Richards and Jim Morrison. Henry has seen it all,

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Speaker 3: as they say, and he's created his own piece of

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Speaker 3: music history. Henry Dilts joins Buzz Night next on Taking

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Speaker 3: a Walk.

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Speaker 4: Well, Henry, is so great to be with you once

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Speaker 4: again on the takeout a Walk Podcast. We're not walking

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Speaker 4: right now, We're going to walk towards the end here.

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Speaker 4: I've configured since we're at Arts Delhi, got to.

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Speaker 2: Eat right as well, have a snack. Yeah, and for you,

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Speaker 2: this is breakfast it is breakfast at two o'clock. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Now, how do you keep such a childlike enthusiastic approach

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Speaker 5: to life?

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Speaker 1: Well, let me think.

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Speaker 2: I'm very curious about life, very curious about people, and

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Speaker 2: I think life where we find ourselves on this planet

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Speaker 2: is just utterly amazing, you know, everything about it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the first time I took LSD about forty years ago,

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Speaker 2: I opened my eyes and looked at my hands and

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Speaker 2: I couldn't even believe it that these amazing things were

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Speaker 2: you know, it blew my mind. I also discovered its chair.

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Speaker 2: What a great idea it's got. It's got legs, and

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Speaker 2: there's a place where you can sit and you can

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Speaker 2: lean back. I thought, wow, who ever thought this up?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just.

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Speaker 2: But I you know, it's just it's an amazing thing

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Speaker 2: to be alive on every one hundred levels. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I will say when I'm at the airport, I always

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're not really talking to each other.

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Speaker 2: It's a hundred people, you know, hundreds of people walking

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Speaker 2: back and forth and I say, my God, every one

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Speaker 2: all your hopes and dreams and fears and plans, and

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Speaker 2: every single person has that just like you do.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: I mean, our lives are huge when we think of

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Speaker 2: all of our lives and our paths and what we

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Speaker 1: Everyone has that.

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Speaker 2: And maybe it's surely different. God made us all different,

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Speaker 2: unbelievable to me, if that could happen, you know, I

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Speaker 2: just I'm maybe living long enough. I guess I've done

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Speaker 2: so I think about life and what it means.

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Speaker 1: And what it is, and.

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Speaker 2: You know, what we should do. We should behave properly.

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Speaker 2: That's what we should do for starters, For starters. If

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Speaker 2: we'd have a pretty good time down here on earth,

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Speaker 2: you know. But we're far from it. Some people. This

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Speaker 2: we're here to learn. Swami Sacha Donanda said, yes, it's

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Speaker 1: And I kind of I kind of take that to heart.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're going to learn something from it from everybody,

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Speaker 4: So what in the last week was something you learned

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Speaker 2: Well, let's see, in the last the last week, I

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Speaker 2: I met Dan Doug Moore, who's one of the most

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Speaker 2: Linda Ronstaff for years. He was on that album with John,

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Speaker 2: He did many many other things. So I met him.

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Speaker 2: That was great. I'm trying to think of something really

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, We've got a very important moment at

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Speaker 5: this course of the interview that Henry breakfast is being served.

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Speaker 4: Altitude arrival of high altitude omelet looks absolutely delicious.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So.

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Speaker 4: You know you stay incredibly busy. And is it a

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Speaker 4: sense of uh commitment to your craft? Is it restlessness?

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Speaker 2: What is it? All the above? I don't consider you restless. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm not restless. I mean, look, I try to do

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Speaker 1: And say, well, what am I supposed to do that?

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Speaker 2: I'm lets go here and see that person you're supposed

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Speaker 2: you know that sing together. And so they called me a.

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Speaker 1: Couple of months ago, and I looked on the calendar

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Speaker 2: so when that time comes, that's what I do that day.

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Speaker 2: You know, anybody that we know, or John Colcil and

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Speaker 2: go take pictures of Vicky Peterson. Yeah, Vicky Peterson, I'm right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: shoot photos of Spinal Top for an album cover. So

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Speaker 4: Okay, So before so, your friend who I mentioned previously,

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Speaker 4: Ed Begley Junior.

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Speaker 1: You know Ed was the first drummer, right right, He's

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Speaker 4: Exploded in Spinal Tap, like the first one of them all.

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Speaker 4: But I had Add on a return version of the

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Speaker 4: He said he was under a non disclosure agreement, but

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Speaker 1: About that project. I think he might be in this movie,

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Speaker 4: So that's great that when I heard that they were

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Speaker 4: I think I was down in the dumps that particular day.

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Speaker 4: I don't know the way the country is falling apart

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Speaker 2: But when I heard about Spinal Tap, it gave.

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Speaker 1: Me new hope.

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Speaker 4: Henry yond right, So you're going to be in New

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Speaker 2: Everyone will be there. Yeah, it'll be falling. Wow, you

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Speaker 1: No matter what you said, you would say, isn't it great?

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Speaker 1: And now I've said that to people.

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Speaker 1: I have a friend of mine and it always says it.

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Speaker 2: To me now on the phone, and I love it

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Speaker 2: because it really, I mean, no matter how everything is

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Speaker 2: you know, and you just say, isn't it great? That

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Speaker 1: And listen, I have to tell you, I'm sitting right here.

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Speaker 4: My friend Ruth is to my right, Ruth Pressloft, the

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Speaker 4: most awesome person. And then I'm looking at the other

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Speaker 4: most awesome person, Henry Dilkes.

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Speaker 1: I'm here at Arts Delhi. I'm recording a podcast.

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Speaker 2: I am so lucky, beyond belief.

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Speaker 1: And so grateful for it.

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Speaker 4: I'm pinching myself, Henry.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I am very lucky.

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Speaker 4: So this podcast has given me that different approach to

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Speaker 4: things that I can kind of look at the bright

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Speaker 4: side and the great things and friendships and connections and reconnecting.

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Speaker 1: All the interviews you do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there are either people that I knew previously and

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Speaker 5: connected back with or they're new connections. Obviously I knew

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Speaker 5: you and your work through my life, but I had

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Speaker 5: never met you. So the fact that we could be

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Speaker 1: Top of the world.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's great. Well, you talk to all different people,

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Speaker 2: and they all have a different outlook, a different way

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Speaker 2: and different That's what I'm curious about. That's why I

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Speaker 4: Well, and he was still coming up the ranks, right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: First time you met Joni Mitchell, what was that experience, like,

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if I probably

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Speaker 4: So, and when I interviewed you a couple years ago,

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Speaker 4: this is when Joanie was starting to get out more

438
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Speaker 4: after her health issues had improved.

439
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Speaker 1: And I remember you told me that story where you

440
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Speaker 1: were at some.

441
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Speaker 6: Event and you were like, I don't know if she'll

442
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Speaker 6: remember me, and you sort of like wandered quietly over there,

443
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Speaker 6: and she was in the middle of some other conversation and.

444
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Speaker 1: She said, oh, hi, Henry.

445
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Speaker 2: Yeah. One of her helpers said, Henry, you know, Jani,

446
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: you want to walk over there and say hello to

447
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: She was in a wheelchair and the in the like

448
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Speaker 2: mezzanine of a concert, and I thought, oh god, you know,

449
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Speaker 2: she's not going to.

450
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Speaker 1: Remember me, and I'm not going to you know, that's right.

451
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Speaker 2: And I walked over and said I was going to

452
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Speaker 2: say hi, Tony, my name is Henry, and I had

453
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Speaker 2: photographed you before, you know.

454
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Speaker 1: And then she looked and said, oh, hi, Henry. She's

455
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Speaker 1: I've seen her lately, you know, here and there, and

456
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Speaker 1: she she's great.

457
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Speaker 4: Did you go up to the house for one of

458
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Speaker 4: those little concert things that she.

459
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Speaker 2: Does with No, I've never been to one of those.

460
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Speaker 2: I went up there about a month ago, though, a

461
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Speaker 2: couple months ago, and she signed a bunch of pictures.

462
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Speaker 2: We have a new kind of a series of co

463
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Speaker 2: signed photos and we've gotten Keith Richards to sign twelve.

464
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Speaker 2: It's one over, twelve, two over to an edition of twelve,

465
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Speaker 2: and we're hoping to get about twenty or thirty different ones.

466
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Speaker 1: We've got five six so far. America and.

467
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Speaker 2: Graham Nash and Keith Richards and Bringo Starr.

468
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Speaker 1: And these are through the gallery. No one's doing this

469
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Speaker 1: outside the gallery. Got it? We actually sold the gallery,

470
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Speaker 1: Is that right?

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

472
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Speaker 1: But it's very little.

473
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Speaker 2: Difference in my life because I'm the one that started

474
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Speaker 2: the gallery. You know, it's my picture. It's named after

475
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: more as an hotel. Yeah, that's why I'm the ambassador

476
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: dating as they call me. They want me to still be,

477
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: of course a part of it, and I am because

478
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Speaker 2: that's why I sell all my pictures. It's just that

479
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: my two other partners, one of them rich He just said,

480
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: after twenty two years, I can't go into that office

481
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Speaker 2: six days a week. His head was full of numbers

482
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Speaker 2: and prints and you know, running the gallery.

483
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Speaker 1: He did it all.

484
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Speaker 2: He was the guy who collected the money, paid the money,

485
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: got the print shipped, the princes had Frizzy had to

486
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: order the print from the photographers and ship them to

487
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: the people who bought them, then get the photographer. He's

488
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Speaker 2: part of the money that you know, collect from all

489
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Speaker 2: of that, and he had it all inside of his

490
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 2: head and he just said, I'm physically I can't do

491
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: this anymore. And I said, what why are we gonna see?

492
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: You know? Wow? Why are we selling the gallery? We're

493
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: doing so well, it was getting better and better and better.

494
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: And my other partner, Peter de well, Henry, that's what

495
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: you do in business. You grow a business and then

496
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: you sell it. And I said, really, did Henry Ford

497
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Speaker 2: do that? Why yes?

498
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Speaker 1: He why yes he did. So I'm more and more

499
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Speaker 1: involved with the gallery though it's just not I'm not

500
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Speaker 1: one of the.

501
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Speaker 2: Owners, you know. But we have a lot of a

502
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: lot of ideas that we're going to do. We just

503
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: had a big gum a big party there a couple

504
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, a nine at the gallery for a

505
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 2: Crosby Sills Nation and Young book that I did with

506
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: Genesis Publishing in England. Genesis is a big publishing company

507
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: and they only do coffee table books, which which are

508
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: a limited edition always two thousand and that's it, and

509
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: they cost four or five hundred bucks and they sell

510
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: out fairly quickly because a lot of people just buy everyone,

511
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: you know, they're all so amazing. So we did one

512
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: on Crosby Still Snatching. You know, it's got about a

513
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: thousand pictures in it. Mine got some of my journal

514
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: entries got it, and it's quite a book. Yeah.

515
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Speaker 1: Back to Jonie for a second, just to close out.

516
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Speaker 4: When you saw Jonie's performance at the Newport Festival where

517
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: she had come out and they presented it so wonderfully

518
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 4: with you know, Brandy Carlisle and just the whole group,

519
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 4: how did that.

520
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: Make you feel when you saw her up there? Well, amazing,

521
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, she still sings just great. There's

522
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: an octive lower she's singing in a low voice instead

523
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: of the high but the words are what I mean

524
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: in a way, it's it's hearing it all over again

525
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: and kind of in a new voice and listening to

526
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: those words, and it's pretty amazing.

527
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it brought me to tears, I'll tell her, in

528
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 4: a good way, you know, because it's just was so

529
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 4: joyousing her there.

530
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: I got tears in my eyes at the was at

531
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,719
Speaker 2: the Oscars, the Grammys, the Grammys. Yes, I saw her

532
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: sing on TV at the Grammys and got a little

533
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: a little moisture in my eye. Yeah, Yeah, very touching,

534
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: very beautiful, special.

535
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Speaker 4: Considering you know how you know, she had the health

536
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: issues and everything.

537
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she still she walks with a cane

538
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: and she needed somebody to hold her other arm. She's

539
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: not very steady, but her brain is there and she

540
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: can sing, you know, and.

541
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Speaker 4: That lovely relationship with her and Brandy Carlisle is just

542
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 4: so so special.

543
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Speaker 2: You know.

544
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Speaker 4: Since I saw you, we launched this other podcast where

545
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Speaker 4: I produce it. It's hosted by a woman named Lynn Hoffman,

546
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Speaker 4: and it's called Music Saved Me and it's about, you know,

547
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 4: sort of the healing power of music from a musician's standpoint.

548
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 4: We had Winona judd On and Jelly Roll who's this

549
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: new artist as well, and a number of others.

550
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Speaker 2: Do you think music has therapeutic healing powers? Gosh yeah, yeah,

551
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: of course music's healing in so many ways. I mean,

552
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Speaker 2: first of all, I mean a song you associate with

553
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: your younger years, you know, when you hear those.

554
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Speaker 1: And it puts you back there.

555
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: There's the words of the songs, which john great any time,

556
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Speaker 2: and and the I mean.

557
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: What is music right?

558
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: It's a vibration, It's a sound vibration, It hits your ear,

559
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: it makes you think about all of those things, right,

560
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: the words of a song, or who's singing it, or

561
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: where you first heard it or where you know how

562
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: it figured into your life, or you hear it for

563
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: the first time and you think, wow, that's a great idea,

564
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: that's a great it's it's music. It's a huge thing

565
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: when you think about it. I mean, of our senses,

566
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: I think singing and hearing are the two major. I mean,

567
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: there's there's taste, there's smell, there's touch. Those are nice,

568
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: but all day, every day, we are singing and hearing constantly.

569
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a it's an eniglaent. What what is music?

570
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Speaker 4: Are you listening to music throughout the day when you're

571
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Speaker 4: sort of you know, work, You.

572
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Speaker 1: Know, I don't like put a put a vinyl album on,

573
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: or I don't.

574
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: Have Spotify, I don't I don't play music when I'm alone,

575
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: and I still we'll say.

576
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: Of the DV on. Its it sort of distraction.

577
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: But I hear it in the car a lot, and

578
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: I hear it sometimes when I get together with friends

579
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: and we're hanging out some one's house drinking some wine.

580
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: We do this thing where, you know, say there's eight

581
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: of us and we take turns saying your favorite song.

582
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: You know, Jimmy Webb moans a harsh mistress. You know, Okay,

583
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: we'll play that, and then hell, you say godness, and

584
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: then seven other people say that what there is is

585
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: it's back to you again, and you say, Steven Bishop,

586
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: I can't climb the wall around your heart. Oh my God.

587
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: And there're those kind of songs that make you cry,

588
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: you know, because it's so precious and so beautiful.

589
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: You know, Beck when we would say, oh, I've got

590
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: some tapes I want to play, right, Remember that we

591
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: used to call those sessions that we did with friends

592
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 4: that you just describe, We.

593
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Speaker 2: Call them taping sessions. We call it a taping session

594
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: and listen.

595
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but somebody suggests, hey, what about this one?

596
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: What about this song?

597
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: You weren't taping them, you were playing tape.

598
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're playing tape, right, But we called there might

599
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: have been a little bit of you know, you know,

600
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: the green Earth that was a part of it, God's orb,

601
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: God's beautiful flowers. Yeah.

602
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll be right back with more of the Taking

603
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Speaker 3: a Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast.

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Speaker 4: You've seen a lot of concerts in your life, do

605
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Speaker 4: you call a particular concert that you witnessed it.

606
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Speaker 2: Stands out because it was so terrible.

607
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, so terrible.

608
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Speaker 2: I don't think so unless it was really loud, you know,

609
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: and I wasn't in the mood for loud. It'd be

610
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: oh yeah, thanks, Kelly, I love some You're saying, do

611
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: you remember certain concerts? And I was saying, but my mind.

612
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Speaker 1: You were thinking the good ones.

613
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: Well, no, I was thinking of because being a photographer,

614
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: having to pass and then you have to sort of

615
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: negotiate your way into the pit or into the gotta

616
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: get permission. Nowadays you can only shoot two or three songs,

617
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 2: and that's not fun because you miss all the great

618
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: pictures after that.

619
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Speaker 1: So I don't usually do that. I usually only shoot picture.

620
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Speaker 2: As a friend of mine and say, hey, you can

621
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: shoot the whole show, do whatever you want, you know.

622
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: That's what I like. I don't like to be fettered,

623
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: you know. But I'm just thinking of one day. It

624
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: was no nukes or brands. Oh, it's peace Sunday, Peace Sunday,

625
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: And it was at that football stadium downtown. The I

626
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: can't remember. It's this age I start forgetting names. It's

627
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: a big Stadium, one of the main stadiums in town

628
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: in La in La Dodger Stadium. No, it was a

629
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Speaker 2: football football it's the only one. And I can't think

630
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: of the name.

631
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Speaker 1: I don't live here, so oh.

632
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah. Anyway, I went to this big band, the

633
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: bomb Piece Sunday. It was called, you know, like a

634
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: No Nukes concert, and all these groups were playing, Nan Fogelberg,

635
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: Crosby Sills, Nash Linda Ronstadt, Stevie Wonder and I had

636
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: an all access pass. I was back in the dressing room,

637
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: was hanging out, and at one point I walked out

638
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: and oh my god, Bob Dylan was on stage.

639
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 1: What's Joan Biass?

640
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: And they were just starting a play and I kind

641
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 2: of ran out there with my camera and my all

642
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: access pass and a great big, beefy guy, probably a wrestler,

643
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: college wrestling guy who was security, you know, said no photos.

644
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: I said, what you're kidding me? You know, here's my

645
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: photo pass. I was told no photos, and I just thought, okay,

646
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: I said, listen, this is its Peace Sunday. Well we're

647
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: trying to broadcast peace around the world. And there's Bob

648
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 2: Dylan singing with Joan Baez for the world to hear.

649
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: And I'm the guy who's going to take the picture

650
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Speaker 2: that people are going to see and know about this,

651
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: and you're the guy who's stopping that from happening. Oh okay,

652
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: well you know, he let me.

653
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: I tell my way you into it.

654
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: I mean that doesn't happen very often because they don't know,

655
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: you know, they just say you don't let anyone get

656
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: in front and take pictures.

657
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: Tell you no, no photos, no photos.

658
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: Did you recently go to Glastonbury? I did?

659
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: Did you shoot there? I did?

660
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: I did? And there was a lot of negotiating. You

661
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: had to get the permission from each manager and then

662
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: from the road manager, and you had to go to

663
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: the stage like a half an hour before the performance

664
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: and get your credentials. It's not like you could have

665
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: it all access pass and shoot every day group. Their

666
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 2: attitude was whoever's on stage, they own that stage.

667
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: So you got to get.

668
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: Each and every person that plays on three different stages.

669
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: So who was playing at at Glastonbury?

670
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: The food fighters were great. Gosh, sometimes you got to

671
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: get the old brain to hug along and think of it.

672
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then I can't think of names anymore

673
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: either McCartney had it.

674
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: No, No, McCartney sang with a few people just as

675
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: a guest got it. But they did see him because

676
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: we're you our friends. I photographed him before and we

677
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: had a big hug and that was nice. Kat Stevens

678
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 2: played and that was great, sounded just like the record,

679
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: which is perfect. Debbie Harry from Wlonde played and there

680
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: were at a lot of people I didn't see in

681
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: little small venues here and there. Elton John closed the

682
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: whole night, but we couldn't get permission to shoot. He

683
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 2: didn't want anybody taking pictures of him.

684
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: So there it is.

685
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 2: So you say, okay, you want I were to forget.

686
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: You're fine, you don't want to be famous? Fine? God.

687
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: So it is very political sometimes, but I could always

688
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: shoot Crosby Sills, Nash and America and the Eagles and

689
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: the Monkeys and David Cassidy. These are people that I

690
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 2: traveled with, you know, Garth Brooks, and they're friends of mine.

691
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: They say, share Henry, you know, do whatever.

692
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: You want, or they hire me to do it.

693
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes there's one, sometimes another.

694
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna let you finish your breakfast and then

695
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 4: we'll we'll finish their walk or walk outside.

696
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: With I believe in God. I believe there's a reagion,

697
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: there's a creator. I mean, who went into trees, you know,

698
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: who invented books, who invented food and eating and the

699
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: lamonade of the waste. But an amazing idea, you know,

700
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: somebody thought of all that and did all that.

701
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we invented cars.

702
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: We got the metals you know, from the ore, and

703
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: the rubber from the trees, and you know, people thought

704
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: of the combustion engine. But God made all the raw

705
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: materials for that. So in other parts of the world

706
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: their name for God is Allah. And briefly in the

707
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: sixties there was a meditation thing called subwood s U

708
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: b U d it'step for Scili Buddha Dharma, and it

709
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: was a Muslim gentleman who introduced it here. They called

710
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 2: him pot Pok just like father. He had spent His

711
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: story was he spent four years being visited by angels

712
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: like every night, and they took him all over the

713
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: world and all over the universe and taught him things

714
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: and then said you need to have this seing.

715
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: This meditation thing.

716
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: So he came to town and many many people were.

717
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: Roger mcgwnn was there by Brian Wilson, a lot of

718
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: my friends and me.

719
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: We went there, what is this and try it out? Well?

720
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: The men stand in one room and the women stand

721
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: in another room, just a carpeted room, and you stand

722
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: there and when the leader, the person who's conducting, says begin,

723
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: it's just the voices begin. And the idea of it

724
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: is it's an exercise where you feel God's energy, you

725
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: feel the energy of life. And why gully you really

726
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: do I mean in the beginning it might just do

727
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: not so much. And remember I would end up in

728
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: a fetal position on the rug on the floor, you know,

729
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: and a half an hour. But when you really learn

730
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: what it is, I mean you say begin, and you

731
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: you feel it's like a body a mental orgasm maybe,

732
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: I mean you just feel as tingling and this maybe,

733
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: and you start to move around and say things, and some.

734
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: People say God is great.

735
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: God is great. There was the one black guy that

736
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: would always go into a little Indian dance go yeah yeah,

737
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: which I thought was you're not supposed to look, but

738
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: you just you know, fifty guys all making noise, and

739
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: then the women's room.

740
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: You go, oh, you know, all these high voition.

741
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: It goes on for half an hour and you are

742
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: receiving directly from God. And this was a Muslim guy.

743
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: Well you know what I ended up always saying when

744
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: I went into this reverie that would go.

745
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 7: Ah lah a la allah Allah, because it's so you

746
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 7: open your mouth, you go ah lah ah. If you

747
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 7: say God, that's that's a complicated sound God.

748
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: But allah allah Allah. You don't have to move anything.

749
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: It's up.

750
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: Your tongue flats up and then allah allah. And I said, wow,

751
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: of course that's what they got that name. It's it's

752
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: from the universe. You know, the universe is just you're

753
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: you surrender to God. That's what that was. It was wonderful.

754
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: Of course, it changed my life, like many things changed

755
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 2: my life. And you can do it by yourself. I mean,

756
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: it's great when you're in the room with all those people,

757
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 2: and every once in a while I will go back

758
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: and do that. But I realized they got that name

759
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: Allah from like the universe. We call them God, they

760
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: call them Allah. And then we shoot each other God Allah.

761
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 2: We have to be enemies because we've got different names

762
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: for the Creator. That's crazy. That's the root of the

763
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: problem right there. Yeah, as my friend Cyrus calls the

764
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: creator the author of us all, I like that. Yeah,

765
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: I did too. The angels. I mean, I've read books

766
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: where people channel angels. They call him all that, all

767
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 2: that is, they say, all that is. That says it

768
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: that person that here you're seeing or that whatever. Yeah,

769
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: Well we'll find out. I mean we will, we will

770
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: find out at some point.

771
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

772
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: You know, I've had I get a phone call every

773
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: once in a while and they say, oh, you're here.

774
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: You know, David Crosby died or so and so died,

775
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: you know, and my feeling is always, yes, you good

776
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: for them. They made it, you know, because the other

777
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: side is supposed to be absolutely amazing, right, they made

778
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: it to the other side.

779
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

780
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: And then, like when David Crosby went to the other side,

781
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: I keep saying, yeah, he's at the party on the

782
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: other side. You know, we're all going to be there.

783
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: And you hear gurus talk about it and you and

784
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: you hear people people who die in the operating table,

785
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: and you know, for three minutes, say I went to heaven.

786
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: The music and the colors were so different. I was

787
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: running over a meadow, but my feet weren't touching the

788
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: ground when they I heard say, and I've heard people

789
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: say the on radio shows and stuff, and this is

790
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: the hard part, this is the.

791
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: Learning part, you know.

792
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm looking forward to it.

793
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm enjoying right now. Yes, he made it. They

794
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: made it.

795
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I think, you know, people go to

796
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: you know, a funeral and they all wear black and

797
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: they feel so sorry for that person and they cry.

798
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean mostly they cry and they missed the person.

799
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: They love them, but that person and on the other

800
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: side having a mind completely blown, right, like, yeah, well

801
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 2: the party starts. It's a quandary stuff to think about, right, Yeah. Well,

802
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 2: I recently became the boyfriend or have a new girl

803
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: friend who actually was my girlfriend way back in the sixties.

804
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: Oh wow. She was sixteen seventeen years old and I

805
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: was a musician and we hung out together for a

806
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: year or so. She was like a fan of our group,

807
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: but she was my girlfriend. And then forty years went by,

808
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 2: she got married, had a son who's now an actor

809
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: and a stuntman. Her husband turned into a drunk and

810
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: she left him, and we just kind of you know,

811
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: cross paths it's wonderful and it's great. Did she live

812
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: out here, Yes, she lives in the valley. It's wonderful

813
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: and we've been hanging out a couple of days a

814
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: week and nice. It's great to care about somebody, to

815
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: love somebody and then see them, you know. But it's

816
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 2: like Saren Deputy that you guys reconnected.

817
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: That's the thing.

818
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: I mean. The theme of this conversation is what is life? Right?

819
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 2: But with the first question, how come you're so happy?

820
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: Something like that? Right, childlike enthusiasms sound like enthusiasm. Yeah, yeah,

821
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: I don't know where that comes from. Just you know,

822
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I said my life story before that.

823
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: I grew up in Tokyo, Japan, and Bangkok, Thailand, and Munich, Germany,

824
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: and then went to West Point for a year and

825
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: I went to University of Hawaii study psychology, picked up

826
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: a banjo, became a folk singer, picked up a camera.

827
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: Became a photographer.

828
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, they say we have a plan.

829
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 2: There is a lady who wrote a book called Outrageously

830
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: Open or it might be outrageous Openness.

831
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: But her name is Misha Silver and she was.

832
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: A astrologer in San Francisco. She wrote this little book

833
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: which I bought in a kind of a spiritual bookstore,

834
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: and her premises, there is a divine plan unless you

835
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: fuck it.

836
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 8: Up, right there you go, you know, yeah, I mean,

837
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 8: if you walk, if you get pissed off and shoot somebody,

838
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 8: you fucked it up, you know.

839
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: But I just love that, and so I think I

840
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: ask the universe.

841
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: So just I just want to follow the divine plan.

842
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: That's all.

843
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: Whatever that is, that's brilliant. So I guess, you know,

844
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: if I'm ever sort of not curious or not happy

845
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: or down.

846
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: Or deep, I've never really depressed, you know.

847
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: I mean I get down a little bit sometimes, but

848
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 2: then you know, you just think, I mean, isn't it great?

849
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: The more down you get, I just automatically feel that, well,

850
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: wait a minute, you know, yeah, isn't it great? I

851
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: can even feel this, you know, yes, And then you

852
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: start thinking.

853
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: Of all the other things that just life is so interesting.

854
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm so curious about it. That's the whole thing. Ever

855
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: different every day and chapters your.

856
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: Life is so you know, I'm probably about twelve chapters

857
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: into it, you know, but you're only a third of

858
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 2: the way through the book.

859
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

860
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: I mean I was with the lady friend Joan for

861
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: twenty years until and she had a car accident and

862
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: her legs went numb, and she was first in a

863
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 2: walker and then a wheelchair in the last five years,

864
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 2: and she finally went.

865
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: To the party on the other side, you know.

866
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: But for me, that was a chapter. You know, my

867
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: time as a singer, a folk singer, that's a chapter.

868
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: I mean, each of those countries I lived in are

869
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: definitely a chapter. But you have you know, elementary school,

870
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: high school, college, and then all the things you do,

871
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: so chapters. I'm in a kind of a weird chapter

872
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: now where all the balls are in the air and

873
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what's gonna happen. There's a lot of

874
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: ideas and south the gallery just sold, so I got

875
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: a lot of money, which I owed them bunch of

876
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 2: back taxes and it was a relief to help take

877
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: care of that. And now we're looking for things to do.

878
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: I want to, like, you know, travel see the world,

879
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: take my girlfriend of Europe, you know, and have a

880
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: show over there. Just just have.

881
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Some fun, you know, that's it. I mean, life is

882
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: an adventure.

883
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it can be. You know. I mean,

884
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: you start feeling guilty if it's all too much fun, right,

885
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: you know, But then I think, I think we deserve

886
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: to so this is this is ours? Yeah, I think

887
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: so right, Yeah, I believe in in angels. You know,

888
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 2: I've heard many. I mean I've read all the guru

889
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: books and autobiography of Yogi by paramounts at Yoga Nanda.

890
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: I read that in sixty four that changed my life.

891
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: It's a young Indian guy and.

892
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't It's not like the Bible. It's not telling

893
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: you what to do.

894
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: It's just his life as a he was born kind

895
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: of spiritual, and he went all over India looking for

896
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: his guru. And he met the guy that just lives

897
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 2: on air, the guy that lives with tigers, the guy

898
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: that you know, all these different gurus until he found

899
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: his guru. And I read them, I said, this can happen.

900
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 2: This is whoa you know. I want to know more

901
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: about this. And then saw me such an Ananda other

902
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: one and said, we're all students, but you should think

903
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: of yourself as the only student. That's that is a

904
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: wonderful feeling. Everybody you meet, I mean anybody, and the

905
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: person you're like less likely think. I mean, you walk

906
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 2: by a homeless person and I mean he might be

907
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: your guru, you know. In fact, Yogananda and this book

908
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: said you have to be careful because some basket lady,

909
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: bag lady on the street, you know, might be your

910
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 2: actual guru. And you get a chance meeting and you say,

911
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: you know, keep away from me, the old lady, and

912
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: that was it, that was your guru, and you blew it,

913
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 2: you know. So then I started out by saying everyone

914
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 2: should behave properly. I heard an English businessman say that,

915
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: oh they weren't behaving properly, or they you should be,

916
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: and I thought, God, that's the answer, behave properly. And

917
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: then the other thing is, of course the biblical thing

918
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: that you should do unto others as you would happen.

919
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: Then do one to you.

920
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: I mean, just you know, treat that's behaving properly. It's

921
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: pretty simple, really, but worth so far from it. Well,

922
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 2: if this is a school, there are many many kindergarteners,

923
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: many kindergarteners, you know, and Putin is one for sure,

924
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, they just haven't learned the first

925
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: thing thou shalt not kill.

926
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't have to be that. It's a

927
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: ten command.

928
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: But just why why would you stop someone else's life?

929
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: I mean, by the thousands, because you want to take

930
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: their land? I mean not just that is not right?

931
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 2: Boy oh boy? Okay, how many taking a walk interviews?

932
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Speaker 2: If you've done, I'm up to over three hundred. Wow.

933
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so great.

934
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: Over three million downloads since I started. Wow, that's great,

935
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: that's amazing. Yeah.

936
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Speaker 9: Oh sorry, So Henry, we're now walking outside here, we

937
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Speaker 9: are walking off a little bit of our arts Deli

938
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 9: Nash Yes, which was delicious as always, Thank you to

939
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 9: the folks at arts.

940
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: So two final questions.

941
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 9: Are there any people that are living today that you

942
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 9: haven't taken a picture of, that are on your list

943
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 9: that you'd like.

944
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 2: To, huh take a picture of? Wow? No, I think

945
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: people like David Bowie and John Lennon. Of course they're

946
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: not living today. Wait, I don't know. Gosh, you know,

947
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: I don't tend to think that way. I mean a

948
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 2: lot of people say they see a hundred pictures on

949
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: all what's your favorite one? You know? And I say, well,

950
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: every one of them was a part of my life.

951
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: I was standing there for every single picture. You know,

952
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 2: so it's all a part of my experience. It's hard.

953
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: I can say, well, I like the look.

954
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: Of this one. I like James Taylor the way he's framed,

955
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: there's arms on a post or I like CSN sitting

956
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: on the couch, you know, because because it looks good,

957
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: and that was it there. I don't know. It's hard

958
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: for me to say which is your you know, favorite,

959
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: or which one didn't. I can't see.

960
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: That's an essay question.

961
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: I need half an hour to sit there with a

962
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: paper pencil to come up with who living today not photographed?

963
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: I have pretty much taken everybody, right. I haven't photographed

964
00:53:53,200 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, you mean, of course?

965
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: And the music here, yes, Taylor Swift.

966
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: There there you go, all right, that's one you never know. Yeah,

967
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: I mean I.

968
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Speaker 1: Would say Bruce Springsteen.

969
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: But I photographed Bruce Springsteen four or five times in

970
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: concerts and stuff. But yeah, four or five different times,

971
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: but never one on one, never a portrait, never hung

972
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: out with them.

973
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: So gosh, I don't know.

974
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Speaker 2: It's hard for me to it's hard for me to think.

975
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 2: You know. Another book I'm reading lately a lot is

976
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Speaker 2: called Untethered Living by Michael Singer.

977
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: And he says.

978
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 2: You know, we all see things. You look to the left,

979
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: you see something. You look to the right, you see something.

980
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: But some people have to put themselves into it, like

981
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 2: why is she driving so slow?

982
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: Why is that guy doing that?

983
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: Stop and think if you weren't there, they'd be doing

984
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: it anyway.

985
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: So why do.

986
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: You why do you get yourself put yourself in the picture.

987
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: I think that's brilliant. In other words, you know, don't

988
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: have your mind going crazy all the time about every

989
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: little thing you see. Get you know, untethered from it,

990
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: and relax, you know, think about something else. I don't

991
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: think about how isn't it great? Ya? Wow? Wait a minute,

992
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 2: isn't it great? Have to take one picture? Because look

993
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: at to see that car? Yeah, mixed up with it

994
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: looks like boobs.

995
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: It is boobs, isn't it?

996
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: What is that? It's a advancing romans for curious minds.

997
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: You see the white Oh look it's white.

998
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: It's a reflection.

999
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 9: Okay, Well just for those listening that can't see what

1000
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 9: we just did or what Henry just did, which I

1001
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 9: so love. You did this last time too, which I

1002
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 9: think is tremendous. You wanted to stop and get ah.

1003
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: Here it is.

1004
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's got in a round window like that. Yeah,

1005
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: and the fact it was a nose. It looked like

1006
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 2: a boob super you know, over that car, kind of

1007
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: superimposed over the white car.

1008
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: Here's a guy running by.

1009
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: Get him.

1010
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 9: Okay, Well, I'm gonna stop right here, Henry, because there's

1011
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 9: nothing better to end an interview with the Great Henry

1012
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 9: Bilts than him taking a picture and taking a shot.

1013
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: But let me show you why this camera is so

1014
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: much fun. This is a nine hundred nine millimeter partly digital,

1015
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,959
Speaker 2: and people say, oh yeah, but it's partly usual. I see.

1016
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 2: So what the picture is what counts, right, I don't

1017
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 2: care how they soon be in there. That's what I'm seeing.

1018
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 2: So I love to play with that camera.

1019
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 10: Well, Henry Dill, thank you so much for your generosity

1020
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 10: and for sure that you continue to give us in

1021
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 10: terms of your joy, your work, and your commitment to humanity.

1022
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

1023
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm committed to Yeah, I mean, I'm a humans.

1024
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: I have to be committed to the humanity. I'm not

1025
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: sure to share how much I could do to change things.

1026
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: I wish I could, you know, I wish I had

1027
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: a great, big, megaphone and I said.

1028
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: Say behave properly.

1029
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: You know I don't fuck it up. That's Jade.

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1031
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