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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number three sixty five,

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Speaker 1: and today I'm joined by Mark Drury to run through

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Speaker 1: a series of hypothetical deer hunting scenarios, ranging from small

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Speaker 1: property habitat improvements, to dealing with hunting competition from neighbors,

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Speaker 1: all the way to patterning specific bucks during the run.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Onyx to In the show, we have

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Speaker 1: got another what would you do? Podcast? This is the

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Speaker 1: last of a series of four that I'm gonna start with. Uh,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to the prior three, here's the

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Speaker 1: basic gist. I will be presenting our guests today with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of different scenarios, specific scenarios that I'm going

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Speaker 1: to ask him to, you know, explain what he would do,

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Speaker 1: why he would do it, how he would do it.

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Speaker 1: And the hope and the thought and the goal here

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Speaker 1: is that this allows us to learn something new from

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Speaker 1: somebody that we've heard from the past, but now we

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Speaker 1: get to get a deeper look into how their brain works,

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Speaker 1: how they're hunting strategy works with very specific situations. So

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Speaker 1: that's the game plan. We've got Mark Jury on the show.

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Speaker 1: If you've listened to the podcast over the years, you

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Speaker 1: know he's one of the very best out there. He's

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Speaker 1: one of the very best deer hunters out there. He's

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Speaker 1: one of the very best guests we've ever had in

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Speaker 1: the show. He's very analytical. He has a very deep

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Speaker 1: and thorough thought process behind everything he does, which I

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Speaker 1: just love. I geek out on this kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: with him, So to have him for this type of

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Speaker 1: episode makes me particularly excited. UM, if you haven't heard

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Speaker 1: his past episodes, definitely into episode number sixty three and

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Speaker 1: episode number two nine. Both of those go really deep

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Speaker 1: into understanding how different weather and moon and different factors

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Speaker 1: at that time of year, factors influenced deer movement. They

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Speaker 1: are some of the very best episodes we've ever done,

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Speaker 1: some of the most influential on hunters across the country.

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Speaker 1: Episode six to twenty nine. Don't forget those, Um, once

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Speaker 1: you've listened to those, then come back and listen to

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Speaker 1: this one, because I think that will help you better

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Speaker 1: understand the context of what Mark says here. Today, we

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Speaker 1: cover a whole bunch of different types of topics. Like

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Speaker 1: if he lost his farms. Uh, then we dive into

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Speaker 1: a bunch of hunting scenarios, kind of starting early season.

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Speaker 1: Moving on through we cover everything from scouting to trail cameras,

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Speaker 1: to dealing with hunting competition, to trying to pattern a

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Speaker 1: all sorts of rut related topics too. But before we

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Speaker 1: it's our fourth of this series. Um, we've got a

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Speaker 1: But for now, we're gonna We're gonna do a four

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Speaker 1: And let's get to my chat with Mark Drewy. Al Right,

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Speaker 1: we are back for another episode with Mr Mark Drewy. Mark,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming back on the show man.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Mark, Thanks for having me. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you having me on. It's It's become an annual

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Speaker 1: hoping that we can have this chat. Um So, pressures

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Speaker 1: details now about the property because it's not gonna quite

432
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: what you wanted. Instead, you got stuck with. The property's

433
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: mostly kind of open farm fields, um and a few

434
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: fingers of cover that extend out out of a bigger

435
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: chunk of timber and cover that's on the neighbors. Most

436
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: of the betting you come to find is on your neighbors,

437
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: What would you what are some of the things you

438
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: would try to do in this kind of scenario to

439
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: get a mature buck to spend more daylight hours in

440
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: your place. When your cover minimal, um, it's it's open fields,

441
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: So you can't all of a sudden magically have a

442
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: huge forest there a bunch of really thick cover and

443
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: unless you plant certain things, and uh, it's it's mostly

444
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: maybe an attraction game trying to pull them off. The neighbors. Well,

445
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: what's your thought process and what would you do in

446
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: the short term versus a long term? Well, short term,

447
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna plan as much food on it as I

448
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: possibly can. Uh say, you come across this property and

449
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: right now, you know, late summer, and then I'm gonna

450
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: plan it heavily Tabraska's as many good places as I can,

451
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: with the preparation that I'm also preparing soil for the

452
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: following spring, when I'm going to transfer every single acre

453
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: of that farm to the tallest, nastiest switch grass and

454
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: in big blue and Indian grass that I can find

455
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: and sideoats gamma. So eventually the long play is to

456
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: transfer every open acre into warm season grasses. But in

457
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: the short term, I would just load it with food

458
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: and be very careful when I approached it. Um, you know,

459
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: I think it's as long as you've got to cover

460
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: to one side or or two sides, and you could

461
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: add food, you can still expect some success. Uh, because

462
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: you're only going to stay in the cover for so long. Now,

463
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: If there's enough pressure around that they're just not coming

464
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: there during daylight, then you know that the following year

465
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: you've got to add that cover, regardless of costs. Really,

466
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: otherwise you're you're gonna be spending your reels for years

467
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: and years and years to come. There's certain farms that

468
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: deer will walk under a daylight and others that they want,

469
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: and you have to get it to where they're comfortable

470
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: being there during daylight hours. Is there anything that you

471
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: would do in that kind of scenario when you mentioned

472
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: you want to add a lot of food out there, right,

473
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: But when I hear a lot of food, one of

474
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: the first things that I start worrying about is, or

475
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: at least that I worry about my own personal life,

476
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 1: is how big of a food source I plant In

477
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: my worries of how mature buck probably doesn't want to

478
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: walk out into a great, big, white open field around here.

479
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: He's going to be more likely to be comfortable in

480
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: a small area versus big and wide open. So then

481
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: I find myself kind of decreasing the size of my

482
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: food plots to try to keep them safe from like

483
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: a mature bucks perspective. What are your thoughts on the

484
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: sizes it? Would you do a bunch of little ones

485
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: because of that, or you're not worried about that and

486
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: you would be okay putting the big ones in. I

487
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: I have no trouble putting big ones in provided that

488
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: the land allows it. So often on small farms you

489
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: just don't have the correct ridge top or the correct

490
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: bottom field in order to put a large plot on.

491
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: So more often than not, I find that, you know,

492
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: because I just hate erosion, So I have a tendency

493
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: to only plant the egg grade soils up on tops

494
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: of bridges are in the bottom. So that's that's what

495
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: I was talking about, Like I put as much on

496
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: it as the land would allow, and I'd also be

497
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: prepping those side hills to plant switch grasses and tall

498
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: grasses the following spring. Okay, I love the switchgrass thing.

499
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: That's definitely something that I've I've always dreamed of doing

500
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: if I ever owned a farm myself. And and actually

501
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: this far we're working on for our back forty project.

502
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: I did that plant a bunch of our old fields

503
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: with switchgrass. This spring frosty to him, So I'm excited

504
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: to see what kind of impact that has. Are they

505
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: are they coming on? And so often it's so hard

506
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: to get switchgrass to establish in year one. Well, I

507
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: don't know, because I actually haven't gone back to the

508
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: farm since I left for my western trip two months ago,

509
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: so i've switched. I did see in May just before

510
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: I left that they were germinating. I was seeing stuff

511
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: up and out, but I don't know how it looks now,

512
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you in a day or two exactly

513
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: what it looks like. I could just about tell you

514
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: it's full of weeds. That much I can tell you

515
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: because switch grass is slow growers, like they have to

516
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: grow like a foot route before they start going up.

517
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: So they gotta go down before they can go up.

518
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: And uh, you got a moa, moha, moha moa until

519
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: it almost makes you sick the first year or two.

520
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: But you have to do that in order to end

521
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: up with a good stand at the end of the

522
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: end of the two or three years period. It's a process. Huh,

523
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: there's a process because those roots got a bury man.

524
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: They have to in order to support that grass figures

525
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: crossed the long run. Yeah. The other thing you can

526
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: do is burn it even right now. You can burn

527
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: it in August and it's gonna look like horrible, but

528
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: it will help them long term. Switch grass is a

529
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: long term play. It's not it's not a media graducation thing.

530
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: It takes a while. Yeah. Well, that's a good reminder.

531
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna feel slightly less bad when I go see

532
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: it now. Yeah, I don't feel bad. Just mow or

533
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: to burn it and it they'll come on there. They're

534
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: still there, but you got a treat him, right, Yeah,

535
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: that makes sense. All right, Let's let's change what we're

536
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: talking about here a little bit shift away from more

537
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: of the habitat stuff to hunting stuff. Um, I'm thinking

538
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: this is something a lot of people are probably going

539
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 1: to be working through, maybe over the coming weeks as

540
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,239
Speaker 1: we're leading into hunting season. Let's say you've got your

541
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: summer trail cameras out there, you pull it and you

542
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: get this giant buck, biggest buck ever maybe on your

543
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: cameras and you look at this deer and you realize, Okay,

544
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: I've got several this is a buck that I have

545
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: several years of history with. I recognize him. He made

546
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: a huge jump. Uh, you're very, very excited. Can you

547
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: walk me through specifically how you would go about analyzing

548
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: past pictures and observations to develop that game plan? Um,

549
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you would. We we've talked about this

550
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: in the past in different little pieces and parts, but

551
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear the whole thought process. And then secondly,

552
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear specifically how you would approach the

553
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: dates of daylight activity from last year, Let's say, and

554
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: if you had a daylight movement on October fifteenth last year,

555
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: what would you do in October fifteenth this year? Um?

556
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: So sorry, that's a long winded, several part question, but

557
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm curious to hear about. Absolutely, and

558
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: believe it or not, I just did this yesterday on

559
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: the flight from Salt Lake City to to St. Louis. Um,

560
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. We have trail pictures this

561
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: summer of a really, really, really big dear like you know,

562
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: approaching that B October caliber, which was a giant for me,

563
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: and this is the first year that I've seen that's

564
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: been in that frame. He doesn't have the multi times

565
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: like that. This one's a clean tent, but boys, he

566
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: wear it well. I mean, he's a mega giant. So

567
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons I'm so anal about trail

568
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: photos each and every year of every rack buck I get.

569
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes as you talk to guys, and

570
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: it really mystifies me how many people don't keep files

571
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: of their deer pictures from season to season. And I

572
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: keep every rack buck on every camera, and I'm talking

573
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: across Texas, Iowa, Missouri, you know, over a hundred cameras,

574
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: so it's it's probably two million plus photos a year

575
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: that we look at, and I keep them all in

576
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: files based on location because you get into situation now

577
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: where this deer has blown up. And I've gone back

578
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: three years and accumulated every single photo into a file

579
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: for this year with his name on it, and I

580
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: moved him all forward into my two thousand and twenty

581
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: within within Buckview, which is the file system I use

582
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: from their conics and and answer to your question, I'm

583
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: gonna look through those files probably other times this season

584
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: and try to pick out something from direction of travel

585
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: to you know, where might be betting, you know, because

586
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: I had this deer on. Let me take here four

587
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: different camera locations across the farm across three years, and

588
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: some of them were repetitive from year to year and

589
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: some weren't. So I'm going back now and making notes

590
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: as to what crop rotation was in the area surrounding

591
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: not only right where I'm getting in, but also in

592
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: this surrounding areas. I'm also trying to remember when there

593
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: were cattle next door and when there weren't, and I

594
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: make notes to that each and every year because I

595
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 1: think that does affect dear movement. And I'm gonna just

596
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: break him down, you know, like figure out, Okay, if

597
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: he was going here on the morning of October and

598
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: he's heading here, where do you think he betted? Or

599
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: where do I think he betted? And then I'll start

600
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: in creating maps that will eventually be one map that

601
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: shows every single movement I have of that buck, and

602
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: also an interpretation of what I think he was doing

603
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: and where he was betting, because if I can figure

604
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: out where he's betting, then I can interpret where I

605
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: think he might go feed that evening and actually catching

606
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: during daylight hours. Or I might be able to get

607
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: on the outskirts of the bedroom that he's using habitually

608
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: and catch him of the morning coming back. So it's

609
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: it's really all about bead and food, and I'm trying

610
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: to figure out where he's betting at certain times a

611
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: year and where he's feeding at certain times a year.

612
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: And did that change based on a the cattle rotation

613
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: next door and be the crop rotation in the general area.

614
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: How much do you discount the data from last year

615
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: as compared to two years ago because of a different

616
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: crap in the rotation? So to say, in a different way,

617
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: if if two years ago as corn, last year as beans,

618
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: this year's corn, and now I might normally think, Okay,

619
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: what he did last year is a five year old

620
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: or a four year old is probably a little bit

621
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: more valuable altho when he did the year prior as

622
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: a three year old, But maybe not if it's a

623
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: different crap. How How how's the influences I know it

624
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: influences things, but how significantly in your mind I think

625
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: it does? Influence it, because it just depends whether this dear.

626
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen deer have preferences in tastes that differ,

627
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, believe it or not. I've seen

628
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: deer that call them carn hogs down in Texas. Well,

629
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: you see the same thing up here. I think they

630
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: have a sweet tooth. They love those carbs. And I've

631
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: seen other deer that really don't come to a cut

632
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: corn field that often, or even a corn pole when

633
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: you put him out in the summer and get pictures

634
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: and stuff. So it can be a little bit dear dependent. Um.

635
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: This particular dear seems to like corn um as it

636
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: pertains to that rotation when it was cut corn. I

637
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: mean that's when I was getting in the most, certainly

638
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: when he was when he was three. So you have

639
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: to take that. It's a great point that you make.

640
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: You have to take that into consideration as well. You

641
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: have to interpret what you've experienced with three year olds

642
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: in the past, and they're movement during daylight activity versus

643
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: a five year old this year. Excuse me, Can I

644
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: expect that same daylight activity during that exact same phase.

645
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: And the answer to that is probably not as much

646
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: might expect something, but probably not as much. Those three

647
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: year olds they walk, man, they get out, and they

648
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: travel and they go. So it's gonna be very, very

649
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: important that I figure out exactly where he was betting

650
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: at certain times a year, as opposed to depending on

651
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: a daylight fly by right when he was three. You

652
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: really have to figure out where he's betting and get

653
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: right next to that bed. That's where it all comes

654
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: down to, not get in it, but next to it. Now,

655
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: similar question, but how much do you discount nighttime pictures?

656
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: Because as I've been trying to, I'm doing something very

657
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: similar with a buck right now. I'm in my third

658
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: year with him, and to try to make it more manageable,

659
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: I've really focused my deep analysis on just daylight pictures

660
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: or observations. So I've got my spreadsheet that lists every

661
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: one of those daylight pictures or sightings and then all

662
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: the data. Um, but am I missing I'm sure I'm

663
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: missing something. It's just a matter of how much time

664
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: can I afford to to put to it. But when

665
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: it comes to those nighttime picks, am I missing them?

666
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: Boat not trying to derive some information from them too?

667
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: Or is it okay, because that nighttime stuff could be

668
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: you know, obviously these deer could be betted along ways

669
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: away and still showing my cameras at night, um, etcetera, etcetera.

670
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts there? I think they're worth a

671
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: lot personally. So I look at the uh nighttime photo,

672
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: I look at the time of the photo, and then

673
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: I go backwards to whatever year it was and find

674
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: out what the moon phase was the day of that photo.

675
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: So just because he's moving during night, if that occurred

676
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: during dark of the moon, probably isn't very surprising. And likewise,

677
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: if I look at my daylight photos and see how

678
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: that correlates to the food moon and see whether it's

679
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: a morning photo or an evening photo, is he following

680
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: the trend that I see so often with so many

681
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: deer in that as you approach that full moon as

682
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: it's rising in the afternoon, is he moving a little

683
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: bit more during daylight of an afternoon or right after

684
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: that full moon? Is he moving during daylight right after

685
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: it of a morning? So I look at every photo

686
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: morning or day and go back to the moon phase

687
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: and then look at where he's at. And all I'm

688
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: trying to do is figure out where that deer's betting

689
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: when he is walking past this camera on this portion

690
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: of the farm. You know, is he head in the bed?

691
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: Is he coming out of bed at this time? Uh?

692
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: You know, because I have daylight photos of him. So

693
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: sometimes camera you know of camera pictures a moment in time,

694
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: Well that's just a moment. You don't know what he

695
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: did the other you know, the rest of the day. Um,

696
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: but he's still on your farm, right, That means he's there.

697
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: And a lot of these deers just don't travel all

698
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: that far. So uh, you know, I think every photo

699
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: is worth a lot, and I almost look at them

700
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: as I ignore daylight versus versus daytime, if that makes sense,

701
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: because I know he was there that day. Um, just

702
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: because he walked by it at you know, four thirty am,

703
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he didn't bed down thirty seconds later and

704
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: then and then permanently bed and walk during daylight, you know,

705
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: right at daybreak and going up to this bed that

706
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: I think he's betting in, if that makes sense. You know.

707
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: So nighttime photos I think are still very valuable, you know,

708
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: because say you get one at nine pm, you know,

709
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: just after darker eight pm, you know, during the season.

710
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: It might be seven PM and it's dark. Well, he

711
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: was close, right, He might have been feeding for an

712
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: hour and then walked by your camera. So camera surveys

713
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: are camera on cameras only give you a moment in time.

714
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: But he's still there. If you've got a picture of

715
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: a mature dear, that's a huge deal. Man, he's walking

716
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: on your property. So I don't I like both nighttime

717
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: and daytime photos when you're when you're getting both, that

718
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: just means that's where your camera was when he walked

719
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: by that particular day. Yeah, that's that's a great point. Um.

720
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Now on the daylight note though, I know that in

721
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: the past we've talked about this kind of annual pattern

722
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: that we can often see where bucks will do something

723
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: relatively similar from year to year, tied to certain parts

724
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: of the year. Um So, how specifically are you what

725
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: am I trying to stay here? Where we are? You've

726
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: been following this for years and years? Now, how closely,

727
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: how aggressively will you take a crack at a buck

728
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: like that? Now, if, for example, this buck that you've rediscovered,

729
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: if it does show if we do go back and

730
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: look at pictures from last year and he daylighted. He

731
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: was in daylight on one of your food plots on

732
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: October um and then October. How seriously are you about

733
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: trying to get in there and say he was daylight

734
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: on this date last year. I'm gonna be in there.

735
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: Is it have to be the same exact can editions,

736
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be backed up by additional new intel

737
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: from this year? Uh? What are you? How how much

738
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: emphasy putting that? Are you looking at my photos? First

739
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: of all, because you're just about hit his two daylight ranges, Mark,

740
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: I really do my research for these podcasts, you do.

741
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm telling you he was actually daylight through the sixteenth

742
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: when he was three and four, and then he daylighted again,

743
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: um at October. The was it twenty nine through November

744
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: four when he was three and four, and then he

745
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: daylighted again November, like tiers in a row. So this

746
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: tear has been pretty predictable in terms of that, So

747
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: you bet you I'm gonna absolutely zone in on that,

748
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: and I'm going to correlate and cross reference all of

749
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: my assumptions based on where I think he's betting from

750
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: the stuff I was painting out earlier. And then trying

751
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: to make a good approach and get in there, and

752
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: we're planting with this in mind right now, right you know,

753
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: like we're planning green fields to try to attract this

754
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: year sometime in October, and then of course the mid

755
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: November was rud activity. He's just walking when I got

756
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: in there. But both of the October daylights that I

757
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: was getting he was heading to are from a food source.

758
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: So I'm planting accordingly with my radishes right now for

759
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: that dear. Now, what if what if the conditions that

760
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: you get when we arrived to that time period this

761
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: year are bad? What if they're off? They're very different

762
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: from what they were last year, in the year prior,

763
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: and they're not great, you know, just given the fact

764
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: that it's warm temperatures or funky wind or something. Do

765
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: you brush that aside and still go because of the

766
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: previous year's intel or do you say, okay, then no,

767
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna hunt this three day

768
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: window because of that. If my access is button down

769
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: and I can get in and out without anything letting,

770
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: without anything knowing I'm coming and going, I'll still hunt it, um,

771
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: But my access isn't that way. In this particular instance.

772
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: So therefore I will I will hold off rather than

773
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: than risk it unless it's I mean, unless it's borderline.

774
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: But if it's terrible, terrible weather twenty degrees above, you know, normal,

775
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: and you know the pressure sucks. I'm just not going

776
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: to burn a day on a on a maturity or

777
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: this caliber um. But once it's you know, once you

778
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: get into the rut, that's a different answer. You know,

779
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: once you get into the rut and there's rut activity

780
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: going with it, that's a different answer. October food activity.

781
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: You've got to have the weather on your side to

782
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: kill one. During the rut you rather important, but it's

783
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: not as important because you've got other variables in there

784
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: that are influencing movement. All right, So you're building this

785
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: this kind of internal map. Do you do you actually

786
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: make a physical map or just kind of in your head.

787
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: It's in my head. Okay, So you've got this internal

788
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: map in your head, You've you've analyzed all these photos,

789
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: You've planted things specifically for specific bucks in certain spots.

790
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: It's the night before opening day and I don't know

791
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: which state this is. You know, you can tell us

792
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: you don't need Okay, so it's Iowa. It's October or

793
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: September or whatever it is. The day before October one, Now, um,

794
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: what do you do the night before opening day this year?

795
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: Are you spending with your wife and your family? Are

796
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: you glassing? What's the best way to spend that last

797
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: evening before the opener? Well, I'll problem it's like the

798
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: adversary because it's so I'll be hunting down there, all

799
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: tagged out. I'll be at uh the Mexican restaurant in

800
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: No Silla, having a margarita with salt time. Honestly, answer,

801
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: I'll be getting ready for a very long Iowa season

802
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: ahead and having a having a good time. And it's

803
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: it's one of those joyous occasions that the night before

804
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: Iowa season, everybody's in a good mood. We cannot wait

805
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: to start hunting these bucks that you know, the plans

806
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: in place, the food plots are up hopefully and growing,

807
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: and the stands are all ready to go. And now

808
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: it's just about going out there. And you know that

809
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: we've planned the execution. Now we've got to go execute

810
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: the plans. Is the answer any different? On September fourteenth

811
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: in Missouri, No, not really, we're we're anxious for both

812
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 1: of them to start. Although often September fourteenth of Missouri

813
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: is tempered by really really warm temperatures, the last few

814
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: years it's just been miserable the first week of the

815
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: Missouri season. Taylor and I were just talking about that

816
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: this weekend in Utah. She was like, Man, I'm limited

817
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: on when I'm going to come in because they're in

818
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: the middle of a new house build, you know. And

819
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: I said, well, I would air towards the latter part

820
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: of September rather than the first few first few days

821
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: of the season, because you've got a rising moon in

822
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: late September, and traditionally the temperatures are cooling off somewhat,

823
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: so that first week of the Missouri season can be tricky.

824
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: Beans are still green, temperatures are warm. This year, we

825
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: don't have a rising moon yet, so I look very

826
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: forward for the last seven days of September this year. Now, now,

827
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: my the next scenario I was going to throw at you,

828
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: it's it's a slight variation on on what we talked

829
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: about with the daylight past activity from past years, and

830
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: it's it's directly related what you just mentioned, which is

831
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: those warm early season temperatures. So let's say leading into

832
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: opening day, We'll say it's leading into opening day, Missouri,

833
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: you've been getting daylight trail camera pictures of a mature

834
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: buck that you want to target. Maybe it's not the

835
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: two days prior, but let's say over the over the

836
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: ten days prior, you've got three four daylight sightings of

837
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: him coming out to a spot you could hunt. That's

838
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: pretty exciting stuff. I would be feeling good about my

839
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: opening day sit but when you look at your weather conditions,

840
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: you've got lousy, warm, hot days on those first three days.

841
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: So in my head, I'd be thinking, man, that first

842
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: night of the season is such a great opportunity because

843
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: there hasn't been prior hunting pressure, and I know that's

844
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: going to change each day afterwards, but it's lousy conditions.

845
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: Would you go in there and hunt opening data matter

846
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: what because of that, or would you still, as you mentioned,

847
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: wait to have the right weather, be conservative and wait

848
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: till three days in the season. Disregarding hunting pressure impacts

849
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: from other people, I'd wait. Yep. I'm always a waiter.

850
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean only because through history I've seen the nights

851
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: that they'll move during earlier season, and I've seen the

852
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: nights they won't and they just don't move nearly as well,

853
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: or worst case scenario, they finally come out, it's too late.

854
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: Then you got to get out of there right. And

855
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: he walked onto the field at a hundred yards, he's

856
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: not within bow range and he's out there feeding, and

857
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: then you've got to get out of there right because

858
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: he came out at the last five minutes of life.

859
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: I hate that scenario. I want to get in there

860
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: where I have enough time to let that deer get

861
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: onto the field, feed for a little bit, and then

862
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: walk past because oftentimes my my setups aren't exactly right

863
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: where they walk out, and it requires them to get

864
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: full where they come out and then walk past because

865
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm so crazy about my access in and out, so

866
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: I'm often not close enough. But they have to do

867
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: some walking. And you'll find that those big bucks, especially

868
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: early in the season, soon as they hit that plot,

869
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna feed for thirty minutes before they'll

870
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: make a move. So, um, I want that weather on

871
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: my side, the weather end of the moon. What about

872
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: that exact scenario then where you ended up going in

873
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: there and it was a little bit too late of

874
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: movement because it was a little warm. Maybe it was

875
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: me and uh I somehow convinced you with my over

876
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: eagerness to go in there anyways, and you listen to

877
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: me foolishly and you did it, and you went in

878
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there in that buck comes out right

879
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: towards the end of the night. But it's it's early season,

880
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: so you know, at least where I'm honeying in Michigan,

881
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't like to get aggressive with calling too earlier.

882
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: But here he is the buck I want. He's a

883
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: hundred yards away or ninety yards away or something. I've

884
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: got a few minutes left. Do you just let it

885
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: slide and watch him walk away, because as you just know,

886
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be too much to ask for him to

887
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: come all that way over? Or will you try to

888
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: get aggressive in that last five minutes and do some

889
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: calling something to try to make something happen on nothing? No,

890
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: what I wouldn't call um. I'd watch him and try

891
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: to learn something from it, and then I'd sit there

892
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: a very long time in the dark before. So you know,

893
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm just I just hate that scenario. But when it

894
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: happens my butts parked there for at least an hour

895
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: after dark before I'll attempt getting down and I'll continue

896
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: to glass him. Now, if he walks off the field,

897
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: I'll get down quick and scurry out of there. But

898
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: if he's still on that field, which oftentimes they do,

899
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: they come out and they stand there and feed and

900
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: don't move very far, or they'll come and spar with

901
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: other bucks, or they'll just be feeding there. I've had

902
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: him bed down. I mean, it's just a nightmare. Um.

903
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: At worst case scenario, I will al hoot our coyote,

904
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: how in order to try and get some of the

905
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: deer off the field, and that that has worked pretty good. Actually,

906
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: once it's dark and you clear the field, it's almost

907
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: as if it really didn't bother them, because they don't

908
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: clear very far. But if you clear them while it's

909
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: still any lightness guy at all, they seem to clear

910
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: farther and harder, and it affects them a little bit more.

911
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: But once you have the cover of darkness, do you

912
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: ever notice how much more calm they are? Even when

913
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: you bump one on the way into the stand and

914
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: the free dawn, there's just a lot more calm when

915
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: they're under the cover of darkness, so I wait for

916
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: complete cover of darkness, and if I have to clear myself,

917
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ol, hoot or are potentially you know, kyo

918
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: hall at them? What about you who? Or you howl?

919
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: And you spook some of them off, But like you mentioned,

920
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're not gone gone. They're somewhere with an

921
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: earshot probably or at least a lot of them are.

922
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: Do you try to sneak out of the stand still

923
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: or do you just like rip the band aid off

924
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: and just say, I'm gonna get out of here as

925
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: fast as I can. I'm gonna make a ruckus because

926
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna just get out of here.

927
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: What approach you take? Sneak yep, yep um. I just

928
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: even when I'm tracking, and you know, even on heroes

929
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: and stuff, when we're sitting there with the deer, I

930
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: want out of there as much as like, I just

931
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: hate being in their world and letting them pattern me.

932
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna sneak out and try not to affect them. Okay,

933
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: Now this is another scenario, totally different part of the year,

934
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: but imagine it's November. We're heading in for a morning hunt.

935
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: It's November four, and you've got one of those super

936
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: duper quiet, perfectly still, very crunchy, frosty mornings. I know,

937
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: you know those days where every step you take seemingly,

938
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, reverberates two miles out in every direction, and

939
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: like every step just makes me just cringe with how

940
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: much noise I'm making. In that situation, I often debate

941
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: the same thing. Do I still do I try to

942
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: sneak and take like an hour to get there, or

943
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: do I just make a ruckiss getting there? But it

944
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: only takes me five minutes and then I've got fifty

945
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: five minutes that no dear is gonna hear me at all?

946
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: What would you do? I go slow and quiet, but

947
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: I will go a little bit earlier on those days

948
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: because frost is gonna bet them hard. And if I

949
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: can get by those deer, you know you're gonna you know,

950
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna affect dear, because they're gonna hear you. Right,

951
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: you go as slow as you can, you go as

952
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: early as you can, and you get in there and

953
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: you let everything settle down. Because those frosty mornings, even

954
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: if you almost walk into one and bump them and

955
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: they and they run, they don't go very far. I mean,

956
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: it puts them into a very lethargic mood on those heavy,

957
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: frosty mornings. So I give myself plenty of time to

958
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: go slow. But I also know in the back of

959
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: my head if I do bump one, they're probably not

960
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: gonna go very far because they're pretty lethargic until that

961
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: that sun comes up and burns a lot of that

962
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: frost off. Those are those days where you gotta expect

963
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: that movement to be delayed by at least hour, hour

964
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: and fifteen minutes, hour and thirty minutes. It's it's well

965
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: into the day oftentimes before that big move happens. Let's

966
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: stick a little bit with the weather thing. I know

967
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: we've beaten this horse to death maybe over past episodes,

968
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: but um, I want to just get a little bit

969
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: more detail on the execution of of how you use

970
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: weather and moon factors. You guys have done a great

971
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: job of talking about this in your dear Cast app

972
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: and providing that two of the people. Um, but let's

973
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: say now we're into October. It's mid October October and

974
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: a big cold front is rolling through, so it's kind

975
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: of that mid October quote unquote lull of sorts. But

976
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: you have this great front and it's probably the first

977
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: big front of the year. It's gonna drop temperatures twenty

978
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: degrees from the prior highs. It's hitting overnight, so your

979
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: first like daylight cold temperature is gonna happen that morning,

980
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: that coming morning, and that it's gonna stay cool for

981
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: about three days. Let's say, walk me through exactly how

982
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: you would think about hunting that period, Let's say, from

983
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: the day prior to the front hitting to the three

984
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: cool days afterwards. Um. In specifically, I mean like what

985
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 1: quality of stands are you hunting at what point during

986
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: that four day period? What are some of the things

987
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: you're thinking about? Um? Would you hunted differently because mid

988
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: October than you would have laid October? Or does the

989
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: first cold front of October mean big things? No matter

990
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: what it means, it means big things. However, it's hitting

991
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: in the dead middle of the month. And if you

992
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: take this year scenario, you're also dark of the moon,

993
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: so you've got two strikes against you right out of

994
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: the right out of the bat man. It's it's mid October,

995
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: which is the level I mean we're all in the

996
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: right mood, they're not quite there yet, um And it's

997
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: dark of the moon, which I really just don't have

998
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: nearly as much success on dark in the moon as

999
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: I do in and around the full But if you've

1000
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: got a cold front, we had a chapter in our

1001
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: book Hunting John white Tails called the cold October Wind,

1002
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: And you can't ever miss that first first major cold

1003
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: in October. It can be magical been during the law.

1004
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: Even on the dark of the mood, you may not

1005
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: see the activity that you want to see because it

1006
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: is dark of the moon, but that first thirty to

1007
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: forty five minutes in the last thirty are still going

1008
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: to be quite good. So the night before the front hits,

1009
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on a green food source, on an

1010
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: animal that I've patterned or have pictures of, and the

1011
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: hopes of seeing him ahead of the front. The first

1012
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: morning of it, I'm gonna be in a stand somewhere

1013
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: on a hardwood ridge that's probably got some make corns

1014
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: dropping are certainly on next to a bedroom. And then

1015
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt every evening in the front, and i

1016
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: won't hunt any more mornings. Most likely that first north wind,

1017
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: the morning is very very important, and they're going to

1018
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: move on that morning. The subsequent ones not as much.

1019
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 1: Mid October probably a little fraid of bumping some deer route.

1020
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna use the cover of the afternoon bed

1021
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: to get into the food source that I'm hunting that

1022
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: deer on. And I'm not going to expect much activity

1023
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: until the last light because of that dark of the moon.

1024
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: And I won't be disappointed because I'm not seeing dear.

1025
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: It's it's amazing. Even those major cold fronts on dark

1026
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: in the moon during the October law, they could be

1027
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: pretty frustrating. Those big bucks still may not move during daylight.

1028
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's amazing. Even with the weather, that moon

1029
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: has has some mighty powerful influence over dear in the

1030
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: middle of October. So given that moon impact, you've got

1031
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: the great weather, but the questionable moon and the questionable

1032
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: time of year. You're telling your your standing is gonna

1033
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: be pretty damn good. But you know there's a little

1034
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: bit of negativity here. Does this demand in a grade

1035
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: stand site or are you thinking I'm not gonna go

1036
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: to my very best green field for that night? I

1037
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: might This might be B B plus type spots. You

1038
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I'll probably because the front is

1039
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: so good, I'll probably still go try it. And if

1040
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: it doesn't produce that first day or first night, then

1041
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna pivot to be you know, those coal fronts,

1042
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: you just never know when you have one bedded within

1043
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: hundred yards or where you're sitting, you know, and maybe

1044
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: you've got a picture, maybe you've got a cell camera

1045
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: that that leads you to a certain spot, or maybe

1046
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: you've got history with a big buck that leads you

1047
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: to a certain spot. I'm still gonna try it. Okay,

1048
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: I like I like that. I like that. Um, it's

1049
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: that same time here. Let's say it's October. Um, but

1050
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a little bit of wiggle room.

1051
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: It could be similar between October fourteenth and October twenty fourth.

1052
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: Let's say we're gonna give you that ten day window.

1053
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: Somewhere within that area, you're out there hunting. Maybe that

1054
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: front came through, and you're out there in one of

1055
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: these good spots and you see a dough getting chased hard,

1056
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: and there's several bucks. Um, maybe one of them's mature,

1057
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: on the edge of mature. Maybe there's like a three

1058
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: four year old type buck running around, and then a

1059
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: bunch of young deer and they're they're chasing this dough

1060
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: down like crazy, and you would seemingly think by seeing

1061
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: this like, okay, that's probably or it's possibly a doll

1062
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: that's coming to heat early. Um, how would you respond

1063
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: to that? Would you stick with just your normal mid

1064
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: October hunting strategy or would you shift for a couple

1065
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: of days into Uh, okay, we've got like a rut

1066
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: type situation for a couple of days here. What would

1067
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: you do? What's your thought process with that happening? Well,

1068
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: it's a very realistic scenario because every year in October,

1069
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: like man, there's always some giants that get shot, and

1070
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: to me, it's always that those first really big alpha dose,

1071
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: those big old gals. I think some of those start

1072
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: putting off semester signals or perhaps full heat, full on

1073
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: heat in the month of October, and you see the

1074
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: slight little flurry every year, those are those mornings, especially

1075
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: if they're companied with a cold front, that you could

1076
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: probably get out and have some success with some light calling,

1077
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: some light sparring hunting. Uh an acorn flat or possibly

1078
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: a bedroom of the morning, as opposed to just an

1079
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: afternoon approach during the month of outer over, which historically

1080
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm more afternoons, you know, of my hunts in October.

1081
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: In the afternoons, I'll preserve a morning hunt for the

1082
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: first you know, cold north wind. But if I start

1083
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: to see that flurry that you're describing, I'm probably going

1084
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: to try and take advantage of that by getting in

1085
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: closer to where they either came from or where they're

1086
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: going or where I assume that does betting are are feeding,

1087
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: whether it be a morning hunt or an evening hunt.

1088
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna get pretty aggressive because it's a short window.

1089
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't last long, and sometimes you can kept some

1090
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: bucks really with their eyes rolled back in and around

1091
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: that first little flurry of estres. And I've I've had

1092
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: decent luck calling Bucks during this period as well. But

1093
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: I do more of a starring type of sound than

1094
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: I do an all out fight type of sound, if

1095
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: that makes sense. I try to make the sound similar

1096
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: to what they would be doing during that time of

1097
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: the year. How long is that time window that you

1098
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: think you have to to approaches that a day is

1099
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: a two days? What is that a couple of days?

1100
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: A couple of days in eighteen, right, and there is

1101
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: generally the best too in October four for that crazy flurry.

1102
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: Some years you see it, some years you don't. I

1103
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: think it's just a matter whether you're lucky enough to

1104
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: have to have been close to one of those those

1105
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: older matriarchal does and and actually see it happen. Most

1106
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: years you don't see it, but I do think it occurs.

1107
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: Watch there's always some giant shot all across the country

1108
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: those few days in October. If if let's say we

1109
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: get a little bit later, we're that last ten days

1110
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: or so of the month, we're kind of working our

1111
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: way through the season here, and it's it's October twentie

1112
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: to TWI somewhere in that, and you're out there getting

1113
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 1: after it, and you see a buck do something out

1114
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: of range of your your tree stand, of your blind

1115
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: two days in a couple of day window, let's say,

1116
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: over three hunts, you happen to hunt within sight of

1117
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: the same area. Maybe we're in the same stand both times,

1118
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: but you could see this same fellow field of from

1119
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: the distance, and a buck moved there there two or

1120
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: three days. But you don't have a tree stand over there.

1121
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: You don't have a blind over there, and it's a

1122
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: relatively intrusive spot to get to. It's right in the

1123
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: edge of a betting area. Let's say, um, historically it

1124
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: seems like you're pretty conservative with your stands. You tend

1125
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: to have a lot of them up preseason. In that case,

1126
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: after seeing two moves and three days like that, would

1127
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: you go in there and set a new stand midday

1128
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: on octobery or something? Or what what would you do?

1129
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: I would if if I thought it was approachable with

1130
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: the right wind and the right windy conditions to do

1131
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: it without without blowing him out of there, so you

1132
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: know where he went to bed, and you think, oh,

1133
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: he could come back out this evening and go right

1134
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: through that same spot. Absolutely, I'll go in there and

1135
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: hanging hunt, you bet you if it's if it's if

1136
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: you've got the right conditions to do so. Windy days,

1137
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: middle of the day or ideal times, provided your winds

1138
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: blowing to a safe direction, you have the luxury of

1139
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: the high winds really hampering their ability to hear you.

1140
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: So if the conditions are right, I'll go do it.

1141
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: If it's a dead calm one, now I'm not doing it,

1142
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, because they're they're gonna hear you trying to

1143
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: do it. I would assume unless you're really really stealthy

1144
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: and you can get it up without making a single peeper.

1145
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,959
Speaker 1: But I'm too clumsy for that. So, uh, those those

1146
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: calm days, I'm I'm generally holding holding off. Have you

1147
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: ever done or thought about the old farmer trick where

1148
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: you want to do something like that put a stand up,

1149
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: so you go in there as if it's just like

1150
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: a farm day kind of thing, rolling there with a

1151
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: big trailer and make a bunch of noise and run

1152
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: the chainsaw or whatever it is. But you're putting up

1153
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: a blinder tree stand and the hope being that the

1154
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: deer used to this kind of obvious activity around harvest

1155
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: season and they're not bothered by that. Is that something

1156
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: you've ever kind of used. Absolutely, we do it off attractors,

1157
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, like if there's a camera I want to check,

1158
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: I'll go check it off the tractor, or sometimes I'll

1159
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: wait till the middle of the night to go check

1160
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 1: stuff off the tractor, and they it doesn't other them

1161
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: hardly at all. So yes, it's a great point, but

1162
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't make extra noise trying to act like I

1163
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: don't care. I just simply use the noise of a

1164
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: tractor to cover it. You just raised the question when

1165
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: it comes to checking trail cameras, and you could go

1166
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: into a spot and check them on a tractor or

1167
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: in your truck. Let's say you've got some field edge cameras,

1168
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: is it would you say it's better and less intrusive

1169
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: to drive your vehicle in and make that check in

1170
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: the middle of the day or in the middle of

1171
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: the night. The middle of the night interesting, Sure there

1172
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: is a calmness, but it depends exactly where it's at.

1173
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: If it's on a food source, you know that you

1174
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: can get too during the middle of the day and

1175
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: have zero zero point zero percent chance of a deer

1176
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: seeing or hearing you or smelling you. Then I'll do

1177
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: that which I often put my cameras in those locations, right.

1178
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: I put them in areas where I can get in

1179
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: and get out of it without bothering deer. But if

1180
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: it's one, then I just have to get to and

1181
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to bother anything. Man. You wait till

1182
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: the cover of darkness. Drive that tractor and they're real slow,

1183
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: and check it, and then you're not going to affect

1184
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: a thing. In my opinion, they just you know, you could.

1185
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: I've driven right past big Bucks at night and they'll

1186
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: walk thirty forty yards and they go back to doing

1187
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing. Those tractors just do not bother them

1188
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: that much. It's it's pretty amazing, especially during the middle

1189
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: of the night. And would you say that would still

1190
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: be the truth even if it's like a a food

1191
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: source that you know there's gonna be a bunch of

1192
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: deer on Are you okay with clear in a field

1193
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: like that given the vehicle? Well, he I wouldn't want to. Um,

1194
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: That's why I say it. If it's a food source

1195
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: and I know I can get in and out of

1196
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: the food source during the middle of the day, I

1197
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: would opt for that. If it would cover and I

1198
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: had to go check it, you know, middle of the night,

1199
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: they're probably not in there anyway, They're probably out on

1200
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 1: the food source. So um, you know, so I guess

1201
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: and answer your question, food source, I'm trum probably checking

1202
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: middle of the day, betting I'm probably checking more at night.

1203
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: And so whenever I feel like they're there, And do

1204
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: you feel like the type of vehicle makes the difference,

1205
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: like as attractor a better option than a pickup truck

1206
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: or U TV or something. I think, so, yeah, yeah,

1207
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: I just haven't seen them react much to attractor hardly

1208
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: at all. I mean they really for whatever reason that

1209
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: that sound of that diesel just almost like a sleep

1210
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: machine for him. That just doesn't affect him that bad.

1211
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: And I think they've grown up around farmers and and

1212
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: but I'm hunting in farm country right northern Missouri and

1213
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: southern Ireland. Tractors just don't pose much of a threat

1214
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: to them. I guess, uh, I guess I need to

1215
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: just pony up and buy myself a tractor one of

1216
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: these years. Then I need a good trail camera, check

1217
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: and tool exactly. We'll talk to talk to a combiner.

1218
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: They see more giant bucks than anybody, you know, during

1219
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: the hardest part of the season. I mean, they can

1220
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: see the same buck on every round in some of

1221
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: those fields. It's amazing how those those gear just don't

1222
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: get bothered by combines. Are are tractors speaking to that?

1223
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: In a in a since wation where you're hunting the

1224
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: edge of or very near to a field that's getting harvested,

1225
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: are you in in the case where your shots would be,

1226
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, to the edge of that field. Would you

1227
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: stay hunting a spot like that. Let's say you went

1228
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: in in the afternoon and then for the last couple

1229
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: of hours of the day, all of a sudden, here

1230
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: comes the farmer. He's gonna be combining the standing cornfield

1231
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: right next to you. Would you stick it out because

1232
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: those deer relatively used to those comments coming through, or

1233
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, would you say, well, yeah, they're used to it,

1234
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: but they're not so used to it that they're gonna

1235
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: let it go. Driving by and still stand ten yards

1236
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: out in this cut corn field let me shoot them. Well,

1237
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: I have stuck it out in many occasions, and some

1238
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: of that depends on what type of stand you're in.

1239
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: If you're in a transitional stand a little bit off

1240
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: the field, I've had really good luck with deer coming

1241
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: both ways, once out of curiosity coming from bed to

1242
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: look out in the field, and others coming out of

1243
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: the field back into security cover. And if you're just

1244
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: off of it's pretty good sich wation. If you're right

1245
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: on the edge of the field, you're you're asking for

1246
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: a lot of luck to go your way to just

1247
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: succeed in that situation. So I'm probably gonna you know,

1248
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: I may stick it out, depending on how late they start,

1249
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: but if it's early in the afternoon and I can

1250
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: go get into another stand, I'm probably going to do that.

1251
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm hoping this next scenario won't be what you're dealing with,

1252
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: but it could. It could happen. It's late October. It's

1253
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: October somewhere in that ballpark, and this mega giant you've

1254
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: gotten Iowa. You still have not gotten any daylight pictures

1255
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: from him. He's not gone daylight. You haven't seen him,

1256
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: but you know he's still alive and he's still around,

1257
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: just not moving in daylight where you have your cameras

1258
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: or where you've been hunting. The rut is approaching very quickly.

1259
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,479
Speaker 1: Any day now is going to break loose. And there's

1260
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: this there's always this risk that once the rut hits,

1261
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: these bucks just go willie nelly all over the place

1262
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: and they become much more difficult to pattern. They could

1263
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: get killed by the neighbors, et cetera. Some people would

1264
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: worry about those kinds of things. So in that situation,

1265
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: how would you proceed? Would you change up things dramatically

1266
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: to try to get your last abbot and pre rut

1267
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: or would you just wait until he finally does get

1268
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: going and the rut gets going? What would you do?

1269
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: And you know, I love those last four days of October,

1270
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: five days, I guess really through thirty one. I mean,

1271
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: that's that's the time. So I'm just gonna assume that

1272
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: that phase is going to kick in, and I'm gonna

1273
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: keep hunting my my plan, the one that I set

1274
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: forth early in the year based on where I think

1275
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: I can intercept this guy. I'm still gonna make sure

1276
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: I've got good access in and out. I'm gonna hunt

1277
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: the weather the best I can, and I'm gonna hunt

1278
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: more and more as I approached the latter part of October,

1279
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: because in an instant it can all change. You know,

1280
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: you're only looking for that five minute period where he

1281
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: daylights for you, and the later in October you get,

1282
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: the greater your odds are that it's about to happen.

1283
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, I get excited in and around late October,

1284
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: especially if he hasn't daylighted, because he's about to. You know,

1285
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: if you know you're on him and he's in the

1286
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: area and he hasn't daylighted yet. He's about to, so

1287
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 1: keep after him. Is there any kind of location and

1288
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you know late October those evenings sits. It's

1289
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: it's food related, of course. Um, how would a food

1290
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: related evening hunt in late October be different than a

1291
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 1: food related hunt in early October? It is the same.

1292
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: Is that same great green food source? Have you shifted

1293
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 1: to one that's even closer to the bedding area now

1294
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,879
Speaker 1: or something? Or uh? Is it just so dependent on intel?

1295
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: Generally all of our green sources are pretty close to

1296
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: the bedroom, so that almost wipes that scenario out because

1297
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: what's happening in early octobers often happening in late October. However,

1298
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: I might shift a little bit to a place that

1299
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,759
Speaker 1: has a few more does to add to that overall appeal,

1300
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: because that's all of a sudden, The order of the

1301
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: day is not necessarily clover, but rather the doughs that

1302
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: are on the clover, and you can see their demeanor switch,

1303
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: especially old mature dear. We do a phase that's called

1304
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: prelock right there, and that is one of the best

1305
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: times late October to kill an absolute mega giant, really

1306
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: mature buck and more often than not, we're doing it

1307
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: on a food source, whether that be a green field

1308
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: of an afternoon or evening, or perhaps if it's the

1309
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: first north wind of a cold front, we might be

1310
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: on an acorn flatter somewhere in a bedroom where they're

1311
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: coming in the brows of a morning. But uh yeah,

1312
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's those are the days we live far

1313
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: right late October on a green cource with a cold front.

1314
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean, especially this year, look out, I mean that

1315
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: rising mood is hitting late October. Everybody get ready because

1316
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna be in October to remember if we have

1317
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: de whether it is gonna be unbelievable. They are gonna

1318
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: be some mega giants killed. They're going to be incredible

1319
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: this year. Now, how would you set up on a

1320
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: little food source or don't if it's little or big,

1321
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: but you've got a food source that's tight to that

1322
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: betting area, how would you typically in how do you

1323
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: typically set up your blinds or tree stands in relation

1324
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: to that? With wind direction? So I guess what I'm

1325
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: trying to say is, would you sit right on the

1326
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: edge of the betting area with a wind blowing out

1327
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: of it into the field, or would you hunt on

1328
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: the opposite side of the field and hope those deer

1329
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 1: will come out and cross it. How do you typically

1330
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: try to be set up there so that the winds

1331
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: in your favor and and or possibly in the deer's

1332
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: favor in some way so that they'll come out to

1333
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: that area. You know that varies based on the plot

1334
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: and the deer for that matter. Um. Oftentimes our stand

1335
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: positions are based on historical deer moment within that piece

1336
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: of topography, are on that food plot. So we've already

1337
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: watched it either with a trail camera that's on time

1338
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: lapse or through our own observations through the years, and

1339
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: then we position our blind where we have probably a

1340
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: ninety degree wind coming off of the field into our

1341
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: face and then somewhere safe and the deer are crossing

1342
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: perpendicular to that, going past us out to another food source,

1343
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: if you will. Um, that's the ideal scenario in in

1344
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: my estimation. But that only comes through you know, lots

1345
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: about observation and I we just wait now we're just

1346
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: talking about this. We've got a new um food plot

1347
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: that we carved out this spring on a new lease,

1348
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: and we've got a really nice buck on on this

1349
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: particular piece. Very pleased to see the quality of deer

1350
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: that we got on cameras on this new lease. And

1351
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: we're going to position to Reconics camera is now on

1352
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: this bean field that we carved in and ninety degrees

1353
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: to each other, so that we can get a true

1354
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: time elapse of the entire field. And then we're gonna

1355
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: watch where these deer entering the field. We have an

1356
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: assumption of where they're coming and going from, but we

1357
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: don't know for sure. So we're gonna let Reconics prove

1358
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: it to us on this bean field and watch the

1359
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 1: deer flow for the next month and a half and um,

1360
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: and then you know, we'll have a better idea of

1361
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: where to watch and where to anticipate the deer movement

1362
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: once we're sitting there hunting it now. I can't remember

1363
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 1: in our past conversations if I've ever asked you about

1364
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: how you think these deer use the wind to determine

1365
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: where they go feed. Do you think they typically have

1366
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: got like, hey, these bucks, and are gonna want to

1367
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: go and hit this food source regardless of wind, or

1368
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: do you think that on on Monday, it's more likely

1369
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: the buck's going to go to that bean field because

1370
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: of the northwest wind. But on Tuesday it switches out

1371
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: to an east wind, so he's probably gonna go to

1372
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 1: the corn field the other side. Have you seen either

1373
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:02,759
Speaker 1: one of those scenarios. I do see those scenarios unfold,

1374
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: and I personally think it's where the wind forced him

1375
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: to bed, as opposed to him trying to use the

1376
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,759
Speaker 1: wind to his advantage. Of course they do that because

1377
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: they live by their nose. But what I noticed most

1378
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: about bed switching is when the wind switches or the

1379
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: speed switches, the bedroom switches, and therefore their entry into

1380
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: the field will differ based on wind direction and speed. Gotcha, now,

1381
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: can you just for folks that haven't heard you talked

1382
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 1: about in the past, can you talk about how you

1383
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: see that wind direction impacting where they bed? Are they betting?

1384
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: You know? I've heard I often think that they're gonna

1385
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: bed somewhere with the wind to their back and then

1386
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: watching out front. Um, can you elaborate on your thoughts there?

1387
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 1: And again, it varies based on topography, whether you're talking

1388
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 1: about a ridge or a bottom area. It varies based

1389
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: on situation by situations, So the only way you kind

1390
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: of learned that is by sitting there on different conditions

1391
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: and finding out how affected them, or perhaps noting the

1392
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: conditions and then also looking at how they approached the field.

1393
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: In your time elapses that you're doing, you your food plots.

1394
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: Time elapses on food food plots will tell you a

1395
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: whole a whole bunch about access to and from not

1396
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: only the deers, but also where you could be safe

1397
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: coming and going. They'll also tell you whether wind direction

1398
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: and speed will change where they're betting and where they're

1399
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: coming out at. What I find is that the stronger

1400
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: the wind, the lower and the topography that they bed

1401
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: and then feed out that evening and then lighter wind days,

1402
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: sometimes they're down low, sometimes they're up high. They'll bed

1403
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: wherever they want to on lighter one days. But one

1404
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: thing's for sure, when that wind is really really high,

1405
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: oftentimes it puts them lower intopography to get protection from

1406
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: that wind. Interesting. Interesting, Um, all right, we had a

1407
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: scenario like that class ball um Wade was up in

1408
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: Alberta and Kyle, his wife, was up to bat she

1409
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: was hunting and coon Dog and I were going to

1410
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: film her that night and we had thirty mile in

1411
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,600
Speaker 1: our winds out of the northwest, and the pictures of

1412
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: the previous seven days said we needed to be over

1413
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 1: on this ridge top field, and I told Kyle, I

1414
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: was like, I know you want to go there, but

1415
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: my gut tells me we really really need to be

1416
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: down in this bottom field based on these wind speeds.

1417
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: So we decided to head down into this deep bottom.

1418
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: It was good for a northwest wind, and we probably

1419
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: saw forty deer that night, and previous to that, the

1420
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: most that had been on that field, based on the

1421
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: camera surveys or anyone sitting there, was ten to fifteen.

1422
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: But that wind literally had everything down in that valley

1423
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: and everything coming through. And she ended up taking a beautiful, big,

1424
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: giant wide five and a half yearld eight point and

1425
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: it worked out great. And I eventually went and checked

1426
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: the camera that night of the of the ridge top

1427
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: field and it sucked. Nothing was out there that night.

1428
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: So it's it's amazing how you can interpret what they

1429
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: might do based on wind speed and wind directions. One

1430
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: of those things that I've learned through the years, when

1431
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: it's really windy, just don't don't go sit a ridge.

1432
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: It's generally not a particularly it's a northwest wind, southerly winds,

1433
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: it's not quite as bad, they're not quite as threatened.

1434
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: But a big coal print blowing in with heavy wind speed,

1435
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: they seem to go down on those days. What's what

1436
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: it has to be heavy enough to make that impact

1437
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: that we're talking like fifteen miles an hour? What's that,

1438
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: I'd say, Plus, that's where it starts. You know, when

1439
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: it starts getting uncomfortable to you, it's uncomfortable to them

1440
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: as well. You know, like if you're standing there, it's like, wow,

1441
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 1: it's really it feels worse than I thought it was

1442
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: going to. But I find that range somewhere roight. Plus

1443
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: you start gusting thirty and forty, man, you better get low. Yeah.

1444
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: Do you ever have challenges getting in those low spots though?

1445
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: And having swirling winds when you're down in the valley

1446
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: and that heavy winds coming over top and doing funky things?

1447
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: Does that something you struggle with it all or give

1448
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: a plan for that? Oh? Absolutely? But I knew this

1449
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: area was safe because I've hunted it on the same

1450
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: conditions before and wind scouted it and knew what it

1451
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: did down. Of course, you're gonna have those situations if

1452
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: it's real heavy and it's curling back. You're not gonna

1453
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: kill on anyway, so don't don't sit there. So I

1454
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: knew this particular spot. Let's say, when you say wind scout,

1455
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: what would you say the average person sugar could do

1456
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to trying to understand something like that.

1457
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: Are you saying simply like you've hunted there in the

1458
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: past and you've taken note of how wind effects it,

1459
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: or do you actually go in there in the off

1460
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 1: season or other parts of the year and somehow specifically

1461
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 1: look and see, Okay, today's got this wind. I'm going

1462
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: to see what the milk weed does today here or

1463
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, both, and answer your question. So

1464
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm learning it as I'm hunting them, and that's probably

1465
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 1: what most people are going to do and learn areas

1466
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: when it's bad, you're like, you note that, oh, this

1467
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: speed was you know, I was in there on A

1468
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: fifteen eighteen and it was curling back. However, on A

1469
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: eight to twelve it was fine, and you note that,

1470
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 1: or maybe in your notes or your mind you understand that.

1471
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: Now you can also do that when you're not hunting,

1472
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: but you have to pay attention whether there's leaves on

1473
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: the trees or not, So you'd want to scout that,

1474
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, perhaps in March before the leaves come out

1475
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: on a variety of different wind speeds at in the evening,

1476
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: so you match the thermal's in with it and see

1477
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: what it's what it's all doing together. And then you

1478
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: also want to do that, you know, this time of

1479
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: the year July August, go check what that wind speeds

1480
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: doing because it's it's gonna curl back. Uh. It's interesting.

1481
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 1: We were putting some cameras out the other day and

1482
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 1: we had all split up put cameras out in different positions,

1483
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: and Austin was over working on one part of the

1484
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: farm and he went in there to check a camera

1485
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: farm and he goes, he goes that that field looks

1486
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 1: like and this is on the new farm and the lease.

1487
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 1: He said, that field looks like it should be a northwest.

1488
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: He goes that wind was really curling back on me

1489
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: today on on a west northwest and going right back

1490
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: into the bedroom, he goes, I got out of there quickly,

1491
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: and I said, man, I appreciate that. And I immediately

1492
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: told Wade and told Perry. I was like, we gotta

1493
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,440
Speaker 1: go in there on a north northwest and a northwest

1494
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: under the same conditions and find out what those winds

1495
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: are doing because west northwest isn't going to work there.

1496
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: It's a great point, and that's something that requires a

1497
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: different flip to be switched to just be trying to

1498
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: pay attention to something that even when you're not hunting,

1499
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: but could really pay off. Obviously, that's uh good thing

1500
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: to be some of that instincts. Well. Austin's a tremendous hunter,

1501
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: tremendous guide. He's been guiding since he was a team

1502
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: you know. But he also knows how how anal I

1503
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: am over the wind speeds and wind directions on every spot.

1504
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a big deal. And you and

1505
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: I've talked about it, I think two or three different times,

1506
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: and I really don't hear a lot of people talking

1507
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: about wind scouting and wind speed and direction, but it's

1508
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: it can make or break your whole season, you know,

1509
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: by knowing exactly what a wind direction and speed does

1510
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: on every spot. I mean, that's that's that's a big

1511
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: time man making sure that you got a safe wind

1512
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: to go in there. But if you're curling and swirling

1513
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: around forget it, and you're not gonna You're not gonna

1514
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: fool him. Now, I know that you do a lot

1515
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,480
Speaker 1: when it comes to the same control. Right, you're utilizing

1516
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:58,440
Speaker 1: various ozone methods and you're following a very careful process.

1517
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: But you're saying, even when all those things, we still

1518
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: have got to pay extreme attention to even that kind

1519
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: of situation. Right, You've got to. And why you see

1520
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: me in a blind so often anymore? Um, we set

1521
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: crush everything down on everyday basis, camera's bows, ourselves, clothing,

1522
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: take a shower, get out there. You also see us

1523
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: hunt with the windows clothes more often than not, so

1524
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,879
Speaker 1: that if you do get those swap slight twists and turns.

1525
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: I want that added protection of a muddy bowl or

1526
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 1: a muddy penthouse holding my scent in versus sitting in

1527
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: a tree stand and and letting it curl out over

1528
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: the over the field. I've got certain tree stands that

1529
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: work on a variety of different wind speeds. But if

1530
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm down in an area and it's curling around at all,

1531
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: or I'm on a ridge and it's curling back over

1532
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 1: over the tree tops, i want some added protection in

1533
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: addition to my scent crush or ozone application, and for me,

1534
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: that's a blind with the windows closed. Yeah, yeah, that

1535
01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: makes that makes sense, all right. We I think I

1536
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 1: need to shift to a little more rapid fire. I

1537
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: keep on asking you all these foll up questions, and

1538
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: I'm sinking our time down the drain and we're running

1539
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 1: out of it. So I'm gonna try to run us

1540
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: through a bunch of things relatively quickly so we can

1541
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: cover as much ground as possible. Um in this last like,

1542
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty thirty minutes before I've got to

1543
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: shut it down. Um, So we're just gonna run through it. Mark,

1544
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,520
Speaker 1: It's November one second, we're into the rut. That chaos

1545
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: is ensuing now, But you're still after this target deer.

1546
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 1: We keep on referring back to once that calendar switches.

1547
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: Are you still trying to pattern him based off the

1548
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 1: historical intel and and that kind of thing? Or are

1549
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: you gonna switch to your basic rut locations when it's

1550
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: a single target deer? Still, but Cass is ensuing, what's

1551
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: what's that first week in November? Look for you now,

1552
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm still right on his tail. I still think until

1553
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: they actually get with an estrus dough, which oftentimes occurs

1554
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: after the seeking phase or the buck parade like seventh, eighth,

1555
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 1: and ninth. Until that occurs, I'm right on his home core,

1556
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: at least my interpretation of what his home core is.

1557
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm staying right on his tail all the way up

1558
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: through about the ninth or tenth of November. Then might

1559
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: start switching a little bit, and then at that point

1560
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: it's just generic bill betting are as, funnels, whatever might

1561
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: be that we fund the doughs them probably right, Yeah,

1562
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, just once they locked down, man, it's

1563
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: as much as as much luck as anything. You know,

1564
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 1: you still got a hunt. You gotta hot hunt, longer,

1565
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: hunt the betting areas. And you know we always say

1566
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: they're in stupid spots, right, you can catch them out

1567
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field at that noon or

1568
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: it's crazy where they go once they start chasing and

1569
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: get off of their patterns. You know, they're very patentable

1570
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 1: up there about the tenth or eleventh, and then all

1571
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 1: of a sudden you throw all the patterns out the window.

1572
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: So I always say it's expectation of through about the

1573
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: tenth and then it's hope after the tenth. Yeah, that

1574
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: sounds right. Um, how about this one right in that

1575
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: same window, maybe November five. It's supposed to be a

1576
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,839
Speaker 1: great time of year, right, it's it's the deer Parade

1577
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 1: or whatever we're calling it, right in that window where

1578
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: good things should be happening. But you've got lousy conditions.

1579
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,679
Speaker 1: We've got that dreaded November heat wave that pushes through.

1580
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: How would you hunt on November five on a cruddy

1581
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 1: warm day differently than you would on a great cold

1582
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: front day. You know, it depends what just occurred or

1583
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 1: what's about to occur. If the conditions get warm and

1584
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: stay warm, I'm gonna hunt through them and do the

1585
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: best I can. If, however, it's an isolated day or

1586
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: two that's warm, I may actually set those out, give

1587
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: myself a break, give the deer break, and jump back

1588
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: in there once the weather turns in my favor again.

1589
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 1: So it really depends on what the rest of the

1590
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: forecast looks like. However, if it's just crappy and stage crappy,

1591
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt through it. Okay, Well, because you've got

1592
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: the other influencer, which is the rut occurring, right, It

1593
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: only comes once, you know, and granted you're probably not

1594
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: going to see as great activity, you're not going to

1595
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,679
Speaker 1: see as much, but you might. You know, there's always

1596
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: that fight when it comes to hunting, the rut. It

1597
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 1: might happen today, and I never never overlooked that that

1598
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: aspect of it. Yeah, anything's possible anytime, any time, it

1599
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: can be, you know, so you can't tell them if

1600
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: you're not hunting. However, if it's an isolated day, I

1601
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: might take a little break, you know, I've started to

1602
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: I used to think that I had to be out

1603
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: there every single day, every single hour, and if I didn't,

1604
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 1: I really hated myself for it. But I'm starting to

1605
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: get to the point where you know, it might be

1606
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 1: okay to take that day for a little bit of

1607
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: mental health or family health. Uh, And you're probably better

1608
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,600
Speaker 1: for it the rest of your time after that. You

1609
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: know you really are, because it sharpens you back up

1610
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: right too. You know, you can go these hot, seven, eight,

1611
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,719
Speaker 1: nine days in a row, you start to wear down

1612
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: just a little bit, you get a little mental fatigued,

1613
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe that day is taken to check

1614
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: some cameras or do some other activity. Shoot your bow again,

1615
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: get back in shape and give yourself a break from

1616
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: the hunt so that when you go back hunting, you're

1617
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 1: sharp again and that energy level still is high. You

1618
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: never want to let yourself were out, especially during the rut.

1619
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 1: It's one of the tactics we talked about, especially in

1620
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 1: the middle of November, is stay sharp, stay focused. And

1621
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, you look at it and you go, well,

1622
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: it's not that hard to be focused. We'll go sit

1623
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: there ten great days in a row. It's easy to

1624
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 1: wear yourself out and fatigue too much of anyone things

1625
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: too much. So never be afraid on those poor days

1626
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: that's putting our bad days, putting it in deer cast terms,

1627
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: to take a little break and give the deer break

1628
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, because you're probably miss a whole heck

1629
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: of a lot in all honesty, and you know, I've

1630
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: sat through enough poor predictive days and bad predictive days.

1631
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: It's generally not that far off. It's like, you know, what,

1632
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 1: what are you gonna miss? If they're not moving anyway?

1633
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 1: Now now, speaking of though, the unpredictability of things, anything

1634
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: can sometimes happen. So let's let's uh move to November.

1635
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: It's November ten and you are hunting and a big

1636
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: buck comes through following a dough. He's obviously locked onto her,

1637
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: and they settle in about a hundred yards away from

1638
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: you in some thick cover, but you can see him

1639
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,799
Speaker 1: and they're just hanging out. He's just kind of pushing around,

1640
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 1: they're just standing. Um. In that scenario, will you just

1641
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 1: wait him out or do you try to somehow attract

1642
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 1: him away from the dough? Um? And what if this

1643
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: goes on for hours? If it's is this is your

1644
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 1: answer to this question different if it's a half hour

1645
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: versus six hours. I generally have a sentence that if

1646
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: it's a target buck and I've got my eyes on

1647
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 1: him and he's locked on the dough, I'm gonna stay

1648
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: exactly where I'm at and i won't take my eye

1649
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: off of him. I'm not gonna try and get down.

1650
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try and go closer, unless, by chance,

1651
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 1: it was really gusty, gaily wind to where I felt

1652
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: like I could get by with the movement. From a

1653
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: visual and audible standpoint, I might make a move on him,

1654
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,799
Speaker 1: try and get a little bit closer if I can,

1655
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, go over there and call a little bit.

1656
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: Because if he's a hundred yards and you try to

1657
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: call to him, Chances are he's not going to come

1658
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: to you. However, if you can get close to him

1659
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: and call, he might if he gets if he gets

1660
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: really edgy, because other bucks are approaching a hot dough.

1661
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: When you're close, you mean one thing. When you're distance,

1662
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 1: you don't mean a whole heck of a lot to him.

1663
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: And I've seen that work. But you gotta be able

1664
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: to get there. You gotta be able to have a

1665
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: shot once he comes in. And it's it's not an

1666
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 1: overly likely scenario that you're going to succeed in. That

1667
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: sounds exciting, though, Oh it's exciding, right, it's exciting, but

1668
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: you're you know, I've also seen situations where buckets on

1669
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 1: the dough and three days later he's still in that

1670
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 1: little home core and he's still on the same dough.

1671
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: So that's the other way to look at it is, Okay,

1672
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: he's locked down. Now. I not only have today, I've

1673
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: probably got the next few days to to dance around

1674
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: this scenario here, and I'm going to continue to see

1675
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: these two deer. Okay, well, how close do you think

1676
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: you need to get in that case? For the call

1677
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 1: to work in that scenario laid out there, you're talking

1678
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: like or yeah, within within sixty, within fifty something like that.

1679
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 1: You've gotta have the cover and the topography to do it.

1680
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's not an overly likely scenario, but

1681
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: it could work. It really could. Watch him watch a

1682
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 1: deer that's better with a dough watch other little bucks approach.

1683
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: He won't. He won't go get rid of him until

1684
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: the bucks literally right on top of him are a threat.

1685
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: But if you go do a fight really close, get ready,

1686
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: because he's lava about run you over. Man. He does

1687
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 1: not like other bucks getting close to his hot doll.

1688
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: So the situations gotta be right. The weather's gotta be right,

1689
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: the wind's gotta be right. You can succeed. It's just

1690
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: not a high likelihood of success. Here's an opposite scenario

1691
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: from that. That's that's an exciting fund scenario November. What

1692
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: about a not so fun scenario, which is you're hunting

1693
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: at that same time period and you get picked off

1694
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: by you get busted by a buck in the stand. Um,

1695
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,839
Speaker 1: maybe he sees you. Maybe it's a sea and a smell,

1696
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: But one way or another, there's a mature buck within

1697
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: shooting range and he busts you before you can get

1698
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,640
Speaker 1: a shot. How long is that spot toast? Or or

1699
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: because the rut, Do not worry. You're gonna go right

1700
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 1: back in there, you know, the next day or two,

1701
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: because another buck might come through that you want to

1702
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 1: get a shot at. Um. That's Part A, and then

1703
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 1: Part B is tell me how your answer is different

1704
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: if I asked you this in October versus November. Well,

1705
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 1: you're back to the margarite is at the Mexican restaurant.

1706
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 1: I think I hate getting busted, But if it's October,

1707
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: that's one scenario. Chances are you might have just messed

1708
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: your whole season out that they catch you in October.

1709
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: I don't like getting caught in October because they're they're

1710
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: not going very far from their bed. They're they're feeding

1711
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 1: in the same general area. And if they catch you

1712
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,759
Speaker 1: within that home range, chances are you could put him nocturnal,

1713
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 1: or you could put him out of there altogether. Uh,

1714
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 1: in November not quite as bad. They have a much

1715
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: shorter memory in November than they do in October, especially

1716
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: once they're all round up at chasing does And I

1717
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 1: mean they're just their demeanor is just so different November

1718
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 1: than it is October. So you know, in October, I'm

1719
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 1: probably gonna stay out of there for a little while,

1720
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: and you know, let my cameras kind of dictate when

1721
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: I should go back in there. I'm gonna assume that

1722
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: I've mucked it up pretty bad, right, and I'm going

1723
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 1: to stay out of there until he proves to me

1724
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: that I should go back in there and hunt him again,

1725
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: that I didn't muck it up as bad as I

1726
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:43,519
Speaker 1: thought I did in November. I'm probably going in back

1727
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: in that afternoon or the next day, because any hot

1728
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 1: dog could walk in front of that buck and he

1729
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 1: could literally follow her right back down the same trail

1730
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 1: that he caught you on. So two different demeanors there

1731
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: and two different outcomes. I think, Well, you mentioned how

1732
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: you'd let your trail cameras help you in that scenario.

1733
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: What would you do if you had to hunt without

1734
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: trail cameras for a year, like, what would be the

1735
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:17,560
Speaker 1: most notable difference in how you'd approach this season? Be Um,

1736
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,719
Speaker 1: I'm curious how your scout, how you would scout different

1737
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: or if you would simply hunt differently because of that

1738
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: lack of intel. Um, what would be some of your

1739
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 1: first things you can think of that you would have

1740
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: to do differently with zero cameras? Um. You know, then

1741
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 1: it's back to probably scouting a little bit more visually, uh,

1742
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,679
Speaker 1: from the distance, looking for deer, looking for patterns, those

1743
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,680
Speaker 1: types of things. I'm also what I used to key

1744
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: in on before we had trail cameras. It wasn't rubs

1745
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: or scrapes. It was either the visual uh confirmation that

1746
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,719
Speaker 1: a buck was there. But I always scouted for tracks,

1747
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 1: and if there wasn't a big, giant track in the area,

1748
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't hunt there. If I could find that

1749
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 1: big track by scouting. I was always used to walk

1750
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: the creek by atoms, you know those ditches in the

1751
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: Midwest that you get that layout, that sandy soil, And

1752
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: I'd walk and walk and walk till I cut a

1753
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: big track, and then I knew I was somewhere in

1754
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 1: that deer's home range, and I would hunt that way

1755
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 1: based off either seeing them or finding big tracks. Big

1756
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: tracks don't lie, uh, they ever have and they never will.

1757
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: You know, a little young deer just don't have a

1758
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: big foot. And for you, what do you consider a

1759
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 1: big track, Well, I've never really measured one. I mean,

1760
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 1: I know what it looks like, generally, the size you know,

1761
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,759
Speaker 1: generally the size of my hand, you know, from tip

1762
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 1: to do klaw um. But you know, as you know,

1763
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 1: you know what a dough track looks like and what

1764
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: a young buck truck track looks like. And then when

1765
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: you see that big fat track some down in the

1766
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:50,600
Speaker 1: mud and clearly an imprint, I mean you just you

1767
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 1: just know, hey, this is a big mature buck right here.

1768
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 1: So we killed a lot of big deal based on

1769
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: just finding their tracks back in the day, you know,

1770
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: before trail care, and that's how we were killing right

1771
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,600
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people probably could you know,

1772
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: improve some of their hunting by getting some of that

1773
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 1: into their repertoire. Probably still today, no question. I mean,

1774
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: I think we can depend a little bit too much

1775
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: on trail cameras at times. And I still I'm looking

1776
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: at the ground when I'm out in the woods, I'm

1777
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 1: looking down. I'm generally not looking up. I'm looking for

1778
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 1: tracks because it's the way we you know, started uh hunting.

1779
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 1: Even during Turkey season, if I see a big buck

1780
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: track in an area, I never forget it and weighs

1781
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 1: the same way. We're constantly looking for big tracks. All right,

1782
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 1: let's go back to our season chasing your magic I

1783
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: talked about. I talked about the creeks. I would also

1784
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 1: walk the edges of of tillable farms, you know, like

1785
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 1: big corn fields, big bean fields. I'd walk the edges,

1786
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 1: look at every entry and exit trail and look in

1787
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 1: and in and around the roads and around the outer edge.

1788
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 1: And you'd find big tracks that way too, because oftentimes,

1789
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, those tillable fields will mud a little bit

1790
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 1: longer than anywhere else, and you can find some big

1791
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: tracks coming and going out at a big table fields. Yeah,

1792
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: I've seen that too. I was gonna say, let's hop

1793
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: back to our hypothetical season, and we're still after this

1794
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 1: great big buck. We weren't able to capitalize. In October.

1795
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 1: A lot of the rut has passed by. And I'm

1796
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: not sure what the opening day of firearm season is

1797
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: in Iowa, but let's say it's the day before the opener.

1798
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: For me here in Michigan, the day before the opening

1799
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,679
Speaker 1: day guns season is like my last hurrah because there's

1800
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:35,759
Speaker 1: a significant chance he you could get killed on opening

1801
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: day because so many more hunters come out there. So

1802
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 1: I always look at that last day as like a

1803
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 1: swing for the fence, this kind of day. What's that

1804
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:46,719
Speaker 1: look like for you on the day before gun season. Well,

1805
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,879
Speaker 1: in Iowa, that's generally sometime the first week of December,

1806
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 1: so the ruts already come and gone, and we've we've

1807
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 1: got to hunt the full rut picture. So I'm generally

1808
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 1: off of him, been waiting for food source movement in Iowa.

1809
01:34:57,640 --> 01:34:59,839
Speaker 1: In Missouri, which I think is closer to the scenario

1810
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 1: painting is generally happens sometime in mid November somewhere in there.

1811
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna hunt hard all the way up

1812
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 1: up until that point. I'm gonna do all day sits

1813
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,440
Speaker 1: at the weather, you know, is permitting, and I'm gonna,

1814
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 1: you know, if it's that time of the year where

1815
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm in their bedroom and trying to find something on

1816
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: a dough somewhere, it's a tougher time of the year,

1817
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 1: not just because rifle seasons approaching, but because they're all

1818
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: doughed up. Especially in Missouri, are are bucket dough ratios

1819
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 1: and pretty rough shape. I mean, there's a lot of

1820
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: doughs and and not as many bucks for them, so

1821
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 1: we're trying to work on that and get it closer

1822
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 1: to one to one. But I'm gonna be somewhere in

1823
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 1: a bedroom hunting all day more than likely. Okay, all right, Mark,

1824
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 1: I I wish that we could keep doing this, because

1825
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 1: I've got a whole bunch of other random ones I

1826
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 1: thought I could throw at you up. But I'm gonna

1827
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 1: miss my dinner with the kids and my wife would

1828
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 1: be happy about that. So we're gonna have to We're

1829
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 1: gonna have to wrap this up with one last question.

1830
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:06,560
Speaker 1: M Here's the here's the situation. I am hypothetically all powerful,

1831
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: and I control your hunting privileges, and I'm going to

1832
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 1: take away your privileges for the next ten years. You

1833
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 1: cannot hunt deer at all for the next ten years,

1834
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 1: unless unless you kill a five and a half year

1835
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 1: old buck this year. But I'm only gonna give you

1836
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: one day to do it, and you have one single

1837
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 1: stand location that you have to hunt that whole day.

1838
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: I'd like to tell me what day you're going to

1839
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: choose and describe this single best stand that you can

1840
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,640
Speaker 1: think of in as much detail as possible for this

1841
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: very very high stakes hunt. Mmmm, that's a tough one.

1842
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 1: I probably pick November eight, and I would be somewhere

1843
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 1: in a rut funnel that historically has been quite good

1844
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: to me in the past. Um, So I'm gonna be

1845
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 1: somewhere in cover. I'm gonna get in there an hour

1846
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 1: before daylight, and I'm gonna sit, you know, until after

1847
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 1: the sun sets, hopefully killing a deer. But I if

1848
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: I had to gamble on one day, I would gamble

1849
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 1: on Nomban day as if I had to pick it

1850
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,639
Speaker 1: right now, And I'm gonna be somewhere in fairly heavy

1851
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 1: security cover. Can you describe your ideal heavy security cover

1852
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 1: funnel and a little bit more detail. Is this like

1853
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 1: typically a timber kind of funnel or do you really

1854
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: like a brushy draw Um, just paint that picture a

1855
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 1: little more if you can. Oh a brushy drawer, I

1856
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 1: can see quite a ways and and be able to

1857
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 1: manipulate a deer coming to me through a call. So

1858
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, I want to be somewhere where I can

1859
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 1: see as well, because if you're trying to kill a

1860
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 1: five year old, you want the ability to call that

1861
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 1: deer just in case he's not dote up just yet.

1862
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 1: So I'm somewhere in heavy security that I can still

1863
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 1: see if that makes sense? It does? It does? It

1864
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: sounds like a good spot. Would it be on one

1865
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 1: of your Iowa farms or your Missouri farms? Um, it'd

1866
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 1: be and I will certainly, Yeah, for sure, it would

1867
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 1: be an Iowa. And it's going to be somewhere somewhere

1868
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 1: really good that historically I've I've had great luck in Okay,

1869
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm just gonna keep on adding a

1870
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 1: little more here. Let's say you can either have a

1871
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: grunt tube or rattling antlers, but not both. Which one

1872
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: are you choosing? Okay? Yeah, because louder, you know, just

1873
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 1: get a little bit further with him and I can

1874
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:27,759
Speaker 1: grow up with my mouth if I have to. Okay,

1875
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: that's a great point, all right, Um, I think that's

1876
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna do it. Mark, you've passed the gauntlet. Um,

1877
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 1: we now know what Mark jury would do. I don't

1878
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 1: know if I passed or not, but we we did

1879
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: our best that we could hopefully wouldn't bore anybody to tears.

1880
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:48,679
Speaker 1: I really I've never done that before. That was enjoyable.

1881
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,720
Speaker 1: I appreciate you running me through it. Hey, you know,

1882
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of fun for me just to think through

1883
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:55,679
Speaker 1: these different types of situations to see how people would

1884
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:58,640
Speaker 1: approach them. And I sometimes try to throw in situations

1885
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with so I can sell officially get something

1886
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: out of it too in that regard. So you helped

1887
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 1: me out in a couple of things they're marketing. Uh

1888
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:09,639
Speaker 1: why not? Yeah? Why not? Um? For folks that want

1889
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: to follow along with all the cool stuff you guys

1890
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 1: have got going, do you want to mention a few

1891
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:17,000
Speaker 1: highlights of what people should do in the coming weeks

1892
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 1: and months to see what you got going? Absolutely. We

1893
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about Deercast and our our app

1894
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 1: continues to grow and we continue to add features to it.

1895
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:29,800
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1896
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 1: custom We're gonna have an advanced social platform within the

1897
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,360
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1898
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:38,160
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Speaker 1: it out at deercast dot com or you can go

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Speaker 1: to uh Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, check it out at at

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Speaker 1: Drew Outdoors and you'll find us on any of those

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Speaker 1: three including YouTube and check out all the content we've got,

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Speaker 1: whether it be at deer Cast or any of those

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Speaker 1: social platforms. I mean, we are loaded for bear with

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Speaker 1: with uh content this year, probably more than we've ever had.

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Speaker 1: It's it's really you know, I never dreamed when we

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Speaker 1: first started this that we would ever see a day

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Speaker 1: where we're touching the amount of eyeballs or ears in

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Speaker 1: this case as we do right now. But it's it's

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Speaker 1: a fun time in our space, and it's it's fun

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Speaker 1: to try and be in that that lane where we

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Speaker 1: educate because we're always trying to help other people become

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Speaker 1: better hunters. That's one of the reasons we did deer Cast,

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Speaker 1: and it's been very well received across the hunting nation

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Speaker 1: out there, so we're we appreciate anybody that's ever downloaded it.

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Speaker 1: You have, if you haven't, give it a look and

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Speaker 1: give it a try. There's a free version, a version

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Speaker 1: for ten bucks a year, in a version of twenty

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Speaker 1: bucks a year, and they're they're loaded loaded with lots

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Speaker 1: of features. Yeah, I'll just personally attest to it as well.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of really cool stuff and I'm

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Speaker 1: certainly enjoying it. And I'll tell you what Mark I'll

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Speaker 1: be logging on there on November eight to see if

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Speaker 1: you tag that buck Well. I'm not gonna actually do

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Speaker 1: only one day, I told us the only day. I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping to have that dear Dad in the month of October.

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Speaker 1: And be honest with you, he's daylighted a few times,

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Speaker 1: so I think the opportunity could be there if he's

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Speaker 1: if he's still alive and still around and something hasn't

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Speaker 1: have goofed goofed us up, I think we got a

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Speaker 1: shot adding in October. I really do, really I hope

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Speaker 1: it happens for your Mark in history would point to

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Speaker 1: that dear being in serious trouble based off your track record.

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Speaker 1: So good luck out there. I appreciate it. Good luck

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Speaker 1: to you, man, I appreciate the time. Hey, thanks Mark,

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Speaker 1: and that's a rap. Thank you all for listening. Hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed this one. I definitely got a lot from it.

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Speaker 1: Best of luck to all of you guys. If you're

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Speaker 1: out there scouting or preparing for the upcoming season, or

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Speaker 1: maybe you're listening to this during the season and you're

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Speaker 1: out there hunting. If that's the case, good luck, shoot straight,

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Speaker 1: have fun, and until next time, stay wired. To hunt,