1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have the host 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: of The Ruben Report with me here today, Dave Rubin. 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: And Dave, I'm so glad that you're on because we 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: were just talking before we got on about how heavy 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: things feel right now, and I saw your tribute to 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk in the New York Post and I wanted 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: to say that was beautiful, very well done. 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: Well thanks and it's good to see you, Tutor. 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: You know, we're all in this weird spot because if 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: you do something like we do for a living, so 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 3: you talk about politics or culture or whatever, and you 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: happen to be on the let's say, on the right, 13 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 3: you know, we're all in the same world. We all 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 3: kind of know each other one way or another, you know, 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: whether we're doing it just through the cameras like you 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 3: and I are doing now, or doing events like I 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: used to do with Charlie colleges all the time, or whatever. 18 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 3: And then there's this weird moment where suddenly you feel, wow, 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: this guy that I know my friend is dead, and 20 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: yet you have to narrate it live, have to then 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 3: talk about it on TV. We have to do this, 22 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: and I feel like, actually it wasn't I said on 23 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 3: my show this morning. It wasn't until last night at 24 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 3: about seven o'clock. This is eight days later, that it suddenly, 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: I think, really hit me what's going on here? Because 26 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 3: I played basketball every Wednesday with this group of guys 27 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 3: and a guy who I don't know particularly well outside 28 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: of basketball just came up to me and he kind 29 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: of had glassy eyes and he said, Dave, I'm so 30 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: sorry for your loss. And it was the first something 31 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 3: about the fact that basketball, to me has nothing to 32 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 3: do with politics or the rest of it. It suddenly 33 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: was like, WHOA, something really big happen. I know that 34 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 3: may sound weird or strange or something, but it's been 35 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: a really difficult. 36 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: Look. 37 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: It's a horrific, horrific time. Charlie was a father first 38 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: and a husband, and he was a good man and 39 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 3: he was trying to do whether I agreed with him 40 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: on everything or not, which I certainly didn't, although over 41 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: the years we definitely came closer as it pertained to 42 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: our opinions on things, largely because I moved to his positions. 43 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: There's a huge loss for America. And as you said 44 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: to me right before we started the. 45 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 3: Morning period, is now just crazy because of social media, 46 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: we immediately start the fighting again. And I'm really really 47 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 3: trying this week not to add to the craziness. I'm 48 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 3: probably failing at it every other turn, but it's just 49 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: on us to try to be a little bit better 50 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: right now, I think, and thank you for the kind 51 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: words about the New York Post thing. You know, I 52 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: did that literally in ten minutes. They said, can you 53 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: get us to this? Can you get this to us immediately? 54 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 3: And it was just like I just threw it out 55 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 3: there and they said, Okay, we're not even going to 56 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: edit it. 57 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: Go So yeah, Well, I think what you're saying about 58 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: mourning is something we've kind of talked about it in 59 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: the dark corners, in the privacy of home, is like, 60 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: what is it like for the family to be going 61 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: through this while there's battles on social media? And we 62 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: went into this all kind of shocked. That day, I 63 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: remember thinking, how did we get to this point where 64 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: there is a side that hates us so much? How 65 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: could we possibly? I felt it. I ran for office. 66 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: I felt hatred. I really felt hatred. I'll tell you 67 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: a story. I felt so much hatred that when Trump 68 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: was running, I went to one of the Fox News 69 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: events where they come to a diner and sit down, 70 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: and there was a group of Kamala Harris supporters that 71 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: were protesting right but they were sitting there at the 72 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: diner and they just yeall occasionally. And then at the 73 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: end I went to walk out, and I thought, you know, 74 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: I should go talk to them, because that's the right 75 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: thing to do. And I sat down with them and 76 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: we talked for probably forty five minutes, and they were 77 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: trying to get me to vote for Kamala, and I thought, 78 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: this is really weird that they're just giving me so 79 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: much time, you know. And we talked about my position 80 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: on abortion, and they told me some really powerful stories 81 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: that honestly gave me a different perspective. And it was 82 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: a great conversation. And at the end, they said, what's 83 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: your name? And I said, I thought, oh my gosh, 84 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: they don't know and I said it's Tutor. And the 85 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: one woman she looked at me, she goes, not that tutor, 86 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: And I said, there's a reason I didn't lead with that, 87 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: and she looked at me. Her jaw hit the table 88 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: and she goes, I hated you, but you turned out 89 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: to be really nice. Why can't But that's what Charlie 90 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: was doing. He was like, have the conversation, and I've 91 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: racked my brain, but you would know this, how do 92 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: you have the conversation? How do you do that? Because 93 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: they'd talk to me because they didn't know who I was, 94 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: but we loved each other. 95 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 3: Once we talked, Well, it's almost impossible to do what 96 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 3: Charlie was doing, which is why he was basically the 97 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: only one doing it. You know, years ago, around twenty eighteen, 98 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 3: when Charlie and I were on tour with Turning Point 99 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 3: together going to these events, that was before we even 100 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 3: called it woke. We you know, we were going to 101 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: college campuses. It was about identity politics and all the 102 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: weird gender stuff and all that, and everybody, all the 103 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: criticism that we would get from New York Times and 104 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: CNN and all these other things, was oh, like, oh, 105 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: look at them, they're just making fun of college students. 106 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: You know, they're just going on to college campuses to 107 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: instigate and inflame and. 108 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. 109 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: And what we would always try to do there was 110 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 3: Charlie and I would debate whatever it might be, so 111 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 3: it could be marriage equality or abortion or just whatever 112 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: the things were that we would debate, we would always 113 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 3: do it respectfully and everything else we would always And 114 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 3: this was Charlie's idea that I've used in every one 115 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 3: of my public events since. If you had a for 116 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: the Q and a if you disagreed with us, please 117 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 3: come up first. We didn't want to just hear people 118 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 3: say nice things to us at the end. But what 119 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: was interesting, because you use the word hate there, and 120 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: that's what I think people are really focusing on right 121 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: now is the protesters that would be outside, the ones 122 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: that were pulling the fire alarms or threat you know, 123 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 3: calling in bomb threats, or throwing things at us, or 124 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: bringing noise makers to silence us, or they have a 125 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: laundry list of twenty other things that they do. Like 126 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 3: sometimes I would walk to the campus before and I'd 127 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: go in a hat and a T shirt, so not 128 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: in my usual things, so maybe they wouldn't recognize me, 129 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: or sunglasses, and I kind of get close to to 130 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 3: the groups, and then I stopped doing it after I 131 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 3: got recognized a few times. But hatred is the right word. 132 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: They had been so confused and manipulated by the machine 133 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 3: that calls us all Nazis and all the worst thing 134 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 3: in the world. That you could see it in their eyes. 135 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: I mean you really could see it in their eyes. 136 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: There's a video that your audience can check that it's 137 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 3: on my channel. I did an event with Turning Point 138 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: around twenty eighteen at University in New Hampshire and I 139 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: was supposed to be it was supposed to be me, 140 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens, and I think it was 141 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 3: that day that Kanye tweeted out I like the way 142 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 3: Candace Owens thinks, I know this all feels like a lifetime. 143 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: Ago and let's not even go into any of that 144 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: right now. 145 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: However, because of that tweet, Candace and Charlie I think 146 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: went to meet Kanye, so they left me to do 147 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 3: the event alone. And I go to University in New 148 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: Hampshire and we were supposed to be on campus, but 149 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 3: because there were so many protesters and it was starting 150 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: to get violent, the campus said we're not doing it 151 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: on campus. We'll send you to the Vocal hockey rink. 152 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 3: So first the campus had already conceded defeat. Right once 153 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: you say we can't even secure our own campus from 154 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: our own students, we're gonna put it off site. You've 155 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: already given them a huge win. Then once they did that, 156 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: that instigated hundreds, if not literally thousands of more protesters 157 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: to show up to the event. So then I end 158 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: up doing an event that was supposed to be invite only, 159 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 3: you know, five hundred people. I end up doing it 160 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: at a hockey rink that was supposed to see thousands 161 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: of people. So you know what that feels like. You know, 162 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: if you're doing an event that's supposed to be a 163 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: sold out room and now you're thousands of empty seats 164 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: behind you because they decided to not let any more 165 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: people in. Then once the good people heard, they wanted 166 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: to come in, but then they were realizing they couldn't 167 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: control the crowd or anything else. I mentioned this all 168 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: to say the level of hatred that was thrown at 169 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 3: me that day, and it had nothing to do with 170 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: my own positions. I kept I basically stopped my speech, 171 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: and I kept saying to them, guys, tell me, tell me. 172 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: What it is that you think. Why are you protesting me? 173 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: Really try to tell me. 174 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: And it was just endless insanity that had nothing to 175 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: do with anything I had said before. 176 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: But all the usual buzzwords. And this is where I 177 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: always say, you have to give the left. 178 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 3: Credit, not for their ideas, not for their ideas or 179 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: what they have done. You have to give them credit 180 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: for playing a certain game. And the game they played 181 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: was could we break the minds of young people to 182 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: hopefully overtime attain power. And the simple answer to that 183 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: is yes. So you don't have to you don't have 184 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: to like what they did, but you have to respect 185 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: the game that they played. 186 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: The words are very hard to fight. And once everybody 187 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: says once you're explaining, you're losing, and it's true because 188 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: once they accuse you of something else, yes I didn't 189 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: do that, or that isn't true or that didn't happen, 190 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: then you're explaining. And I think it's very hard for 191 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: anybody on the right in a purple area to effectively 192 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: campaign because they have been so successful. But that was 193 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: where really Charlie was coming in and easing up a 194 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: little bit of especially in Arizona. I think he was 195 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: out there quite a bit easing up on a lot 196 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,479 Speaker 1: of that. You when you met him, you were a Democrat, 197 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: So how did you what made you go? I'm not 198 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: I don't believe in everything he says, but maybe I'm 199 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: not on that side. 200 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 201 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 3: Charlie and I met when I was just kind of 202 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 3: leaving the left. 203 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: You know, I was. 204 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: I was progressive the whole thing. I was on the 205 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: Young Turks. Most people know that whole story. And I 206 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: started seeing the hysteria what we now all see very obviously. 207 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: I just saw it very early because I was in it. 208 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 3: And as I was in it, what I realized was, Okay, 209 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 3: these people seem pretty nutty, and I'm not able to 210 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: convince the lefties to be liberal in the truest sense. 211 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: Let me see who else I can talk to. I 212 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 3: happened to meet Charlie at an event in West Palm Beach. 213 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: Within literally ten minutes. I'm not making this up. He 214 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,599 Speaker 3: was like, listen, I see we have some disagreements, but 215 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 3: let's go on tour together and see what happens. And 216 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: that's what we did. It was as simple as that. 217 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 3: It wasn't it was. We didn't have to sit down 218 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: and contract. It was literally as simple as that. And 219 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: what I realized over time was that Charlie genuinely wanted 220 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: to have that conversation. He genuinely did, and by the way, 221 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 3: We had to earn trust with each other too, because 222 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: you know, on one hand, I'm looking at him like, 223 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: I don't know, can I trust these crazy conservatives? Because 224 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: I still had probably some some PTSD of like, well, 225 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 3: they say all these horrible things about these guys, right, 226 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: so can I trust them? 227 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: And for Charlie it was a risk. 228 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: Because you know, can he trust this guy who was 229 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 3: on the Young Turks? So we really had to work 230 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: that through and people saw it happen on camera in 231 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: real time. But Tutor, the truth is, it happened. It 232 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: happened for us as friends as well. It happened over dinners, 233 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: It happened over sitting with our spouses next to each 234 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: other at weddings, It happened on long car rides driving 235 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: to these places. We were always churning through those things 236 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: and kind of measuring each other up. 237 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: And you know, another thing I. 238 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: Can say about Charlie is over the years I spoke 239 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: in many of the turning point events and when I 240 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: really had completely different political views, and he was still 241 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: in fighting me because I defended free speech. He never 242 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: want asked me what I was going to say. He 243 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: never once said you should say this, never looked at 244 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 3: a speech. 245 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: Or anything else. 246 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, I don't even remember what 247 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: year it is anymore because this all goes by so fast. 248 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: But when Trump was being impeached the first time, it 249 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: was right before Christmas. What was that twenty twenty eighteen? 250 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: Was that about twenty. 251 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: Eight He's been twenty seventeen axt Yah. 252 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: It's hard to even remember. 253 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: It all starts, it all starts becoming one thing, twenty seventeen, 254 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. I actually was the speaker at turning point 255 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 3: before Trump. 256 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: They did not say anything. 257 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: They didn't say you have to not say this that, 258 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: don't say anything. 259 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: I didn't keep it in nothing, nothing, nothing. 260 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 3: They just let you do your thing, because that was 261 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: how strong his respect for free speech was. So Look, 262 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: I just have nothing but respect for the guy. But 263 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: that is completely secondary to the human part of this 264 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 3: that we just keep, we. 265 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: Keep glossing by. 266 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: So to see all these people fighting about his legacy 267 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 3: now releasing text messages, all of these things, like I 268 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: have text. 269 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 2: Messages from Charlie. 270 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 3: I wouldn't better applicable, like relative to politics and people, 271 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: I would never release them. 272 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: Like it's just it's just. 273 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: A thing that fascinates me about what you said just now, though, 274 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: Is that you just explained everything people are fighting about 275 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: with regard to Charlie. He was going to give anybody 276 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: a platform. He wasn't married to a donor, he wasn't 277 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: married to an ideology he wanted. He was married to 278 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: free speech. He wanted people to be able to talk. 279 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: He wasn't going to silence anyone. So I think that's 280 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: what's stunning about seeing this on multiple levels. It's souring 281 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: what we know of Charlie Kirk. And I think that 282 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: the first few days even I was seeing posts that 283 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: I had never seen, and even even in the last day, 284 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: I've seen some really beautiful videos of he and his 285 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: wife together, and that true love in a way that 286 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: you watch it and you go, that's true love. That 287 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: is something special, that's something that should be shared because 288 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: young people should see that that exists, you know. And 289 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: so as I've seen those videos have been it's drawn 290 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: me into their story in a way that I wasn't anticipating. 291 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: And yet you have this ugly noise in the background. 292 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: And I think it's somewhat stunning because it's people who 293 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: I watched for years and said, oh, they're very close 294 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: friends to his to him, But yeah, who would ever? 295 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: Who would ever? And this is not even like a 296 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: political thing or an ideology thing or a social media thing. 297 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: It's a human decency thing. Who would release messages from 298 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: someone after they died. 299 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: Especially for your own political purposes? I mean, that's what's 300 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 3: so twisted about. To then say it's in the name 301 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,599 Speaker 3: of friendship or something like that is extraordinary. But with that, 302 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 3: you know, let's not even dive into that, because there's 303 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: just so many fights about that, and I think we 304 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: can probably do something a little better here. I'll tell 305 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: you something else about Charlie. Charlie did two things that 306 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: I think were sort of amazing, and he did them 307 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 3: at once, because everyone can talk about politics, but Charlie 308 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 3: talked about faith in politics at the same time. And 309 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 3: that's very complex because faith your faith. In American perspective, 310 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 3: people of every walk of life, right, we have Christians 311 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: and Jews and Muslims and Atheists and Hindus and everybody else, 312 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: and most Americans want that. Most Americans want there to 313 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: be all sorts of people here and everything else. Charlie 314 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: talked about his faith as a Christian, and he talked 315 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 3: about his politics at the same time. And I don't 316 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: know if you saw this video, it's been going viral 317 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 3: from a few years ago. But he goes to one 318 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 3: of these events a young and it's a young guy 319 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 3: who seems to be sort of radical, let's say radically 320 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: anti gay for lack of a better term. And Charlie 321 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 3: basically lays out what his belief is in faith and 322 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 3: then also explains what America is and says, I don't 323 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: want America to be a theocracy. And Charlie was the 324 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: one that was welcoming. He was widening the tent. The 325 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 3: thing that got Tulcy Gabbard and Bobby Kennedy and Joe 326 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 3: Rogan and Elon Musk and me and so many others 327 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: to side with conservatism was because of what Charlie was 328 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: doing on the ground that then Trump leveled up nationally. 329 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: So he had a beautiful way of saying, hey, I 330 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: have a set of beliefs that I think are right 331 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: for me and my family and I think could scale 332 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: across the country. But also I don't want to rule 333 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: the country as a theocratic leader. 334 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: So everyone can be part of this. 335 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: That is so the message that people should, that particularly 336 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: young people should hear and then think about right, And 337 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 3: that was very hard to do because it's not that 338 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 3: from in a secular world. It's not that easy to 339 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 3: talk about those things. So he really did so many 340 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: things that I think years from now people will realize 341 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: how important they were. 342 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: All Right, you want to stick around because we've got 343 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: more coming up with Dave Rubin, But first let's talk 344 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: about my partners at IFCJ. It was nearly two years 345 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: ago that the terrorist murdered twelve hundred innocent Israelis. They 346 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: took two hundred and fifty hostages, and today it seems 347 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: like you're not even hearing about it. It seems like 348 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: the cries of those people they're just being shouted down 349 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: by these anti Semitic hatred rants, and it's shocking to me. 350 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: It's almost like this brutal attack on the Jewish people, 351 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: that was the most brutal attack since the Holocaust, it's 352 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: almost like it's been forgotten because it feels like the 353 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: world's looking away. But I want you to know that 354 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: there is a light that shines in the darkness right now. 355 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: It is a movement, and it is filled with love 356 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: and support for the people of Israel. You can be involved. 357 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: It's called Flags of Fellowship and it's organized by the 358 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: International Fellowship of Christians in Jews. On October fifth, it's 359 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: just a few weeks away, there will be millions of 360 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: Americans that will prayerfully plant and Israeli flag in honor 361 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: and insolidarity with the victims of the October seventh, twenty 362 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: twenty three attack and their grieving families. And you can 363 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: be a part of this. You have to go to 364 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: the Fellowship to get more information. You can join Flags 365 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: of Fellowship movement. Just visit the fellowship online at IFCJ 366 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: dot org. It's worth it you guys. We want you 367 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: to be a part of it, so please go. It's 368 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: IFCJ dot org. Now stay tuned. We've got more with 369 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: Dave Ruben after this. It's extremely hard, I mean, especially 370 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: if you are running for office too. I had times 371 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: when Christians would look at me and say, don't go 372 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: out there and say that you're a Christian. Well, but 373 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: I want you to know who I am, And there 374 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 1: weren't many people that would back you up on that. 375 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: You know, which this is her faith, that's part of 376 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: who she is, just like Speaker Johnson, but Speaker Johnson 377 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: doesn't want everybody to be Christian. He wants he stands 378 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: for America. Those two things are not separate, but it's 379 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: very hard to explain that in the political realm where 380 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: it doesn't offend, which seems it seems like we've crossed 381 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: a new line where if you talk about faith in 382 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: any way then you've offended someone, And I like, how 383 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: to get over that? 384 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 3: Well, I think some of that and maybe this is 385 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: a silver lining to what has happened here, Some of 386 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: that does seem like it's scaling back, because suddenly I 387 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 3: think people do feel that they can speak about it. 388 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: You know. 389 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: It's interesting Also, Charlie was in evangelical, so he wanted 390 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: to evangelize about his faith, meaning he might in Charlie's home, 391 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: and it's hard to talk about somebody when they're not 392 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: around anymore in a sense, But in his heart, it's 393 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 3: within the evangelical philosophy that he wanted to prostlytize his religion. 394 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: But what he didn't want to do was force anyone 395 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: to believe in his religion. So he Mike Johnson, I 396 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 3: would say, is somewhat similar. Mike Johnson may want more 397 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: people to convert but he's not going. 398 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 2: To use the power. 399 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 3: I have no evidence, let's say, to say that he 400 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 3: wants to use the power of the state to do it. 401 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 3: Does he ultimately want every Hindu to convert to Christianity? 402 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 3: Like there actually might be a part there. But if 403 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: as long as you're not going to use the power 404 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 3: of the state to force people into what you believe, 405 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 3: then you should because otherwise, what can we only talk about? 406 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 3: So we can only talk about the thing that's happening 407 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: now that should be the prism that we talk about 408 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 3: everything through that doesn't well, look where that got us actually. 409 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: And I do think that as I watch what's happened, 410 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: I think it's beautiful to see all of these videos 411 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: where he says, this is my experience with Jesus, and 412 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: I want you to know Jesus too. And that's just 413 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: what I'm saying about it is this is Jesus has 414 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: given me something great. And you don't even have to 415 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: hear him talk about Jesus too. Like I said, when 416 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: I see these videos of he and his wife together, 417 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, that is what young people need to see. 418 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: That is what for me as a Christian, I see 419 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: his faith as this three strand rope. You know, I 420 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: saw it as Erica, Charlie and Jesus together. When I 421 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: see these videos now and I'm like, oh man, this 422 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: is something that I didn't see before. And that to you, 423 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: to your point of the silver lining, that's the silver lining. 424 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: I get to see what Jesus looks like in a 425 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: very strong marriage that was also able to go out 426 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: and engage with the next generation, which is at Christians 427 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: what we want to do. We want to tell the 428 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: next generation we love you, and we have something crazy 429 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: in the pudding. 430 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: The proof is in the pudding, right, Like, that's basically 431 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: what you're saying that without having forced anyone to believe 432 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 3: anything else. 433 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: The proof is in the putting. And what is the putting. 434 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 3: The putting in this case is that when you watch 435 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: the videos of Charlie and his wife and his kids, 436 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: you see a good man, right, You're not even with 437 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: some of the fighting going on around him. Now, there's 438 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: very I don't hear a lot of people outside of 439 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 3: like sort of the crazy leftists saying that Charlie was 440 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 3: some sort of hypocrite or liar or anything else. Like 441 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: most people are saying this was a good man, and 442 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: you know, if I suppose if we had a few 443 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 3: more examples of that, that would be good. You know, 444 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 3: I saw a piece in the Free Press this morning 445 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 3: from someone who was a totally totally secular, non religious 446 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: Jew who's now practicing Judaism because of Charlie Kirk practicing Christianity. 447 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: So that's the point. That's the point. 448 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying everybody has to practice anything. Everyone 449 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 3: should figure out what their own philosophical and religious beliefs 450 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: are for themselves and all of those things. But the 451 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: point is there's something going on here that's not exactly political, 452 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 3: and we don't really know how to talk about that at. 453 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 2: A national level yet. 454 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people come to me and 455 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: ask me why Israel is being attacked in this, and 456 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: that to me is it's just an interesting contrast because 457 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: as faith in God is strengthening, you always see an attack. 458 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: So it's like there is a spiritual warfare out there. 459 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: We should expect this, This should not surprise us. This 460 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: is not a political issue. This is so much bigger 461 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: than that. We should know that when Christianity grows, and 462 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: when belief in God grows, and when when Jewish people 463 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: become stronger in their faith as well the enemy, and 464 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: the enemy comes in heart. And I'll tell you it 465 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: was shocking to me. Even last night. I was at 466 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: the hairdresser and the one of the gals there looked 467 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: at me and she was like, do you think Israel 468 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: was behind this? I'm my gosh, this is not a 469 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: this is not a conservative, this is just a person. 470 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: And I'm like, the enemy has power and that's something 471 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: that when people are all at each other's throats, it's 472 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: not there is a bigger power here. Don't let it 473 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: take you. 474 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: Well, the crazy part of course of all of this. 475 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 3: First off, we know who the shooter is, we know 476 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 3: who the like. There's not a question here. It's not 477 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: as if there's so one on the run and we 478 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 3: don't know what happened here. We basically have an admission. 479 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: And we also have information now from the parents about 480 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 3: the evolution of Tyler Robinson and all of that. Look 481 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 3: as for the crazy conspiracy theorists and everything else, I mean, 482 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: I think you just said it quite well, like we 483 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: should expect this. The set of people who have been 484 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 3: saying the craziest possible things. Really, I would say for 485 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 3: the last two years to the backdrop of October seventh. Well, yes, 486 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 3: they're using this to say more crazy things. And this 487 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: is the nature of the Internet where you can drag 488 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 3: people down endless rabbit holes and everything else. And at 489 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: the end of every conspiracy theory, as my friend Gad said, talks. 490 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: About there's the Jew. 491 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 3: Look, they did this all before the state of Israel, right, 492 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 3: why in essence, that's why the modern state of Israel exists. 493 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: Before Israel exists, they blame the Jews. Now Israel exists, 494 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 3: they blame Israel. So it just kind of it's just 495 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: kind of baked into the thing. And actually I had 496 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 3: a Rabbi, David Walby on my show We're going to 497 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 3: put it up on Monday, and I asked him about this, 498 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: is this just baked into the story of the Jews? 499 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 3: And he said, while he wouldn't like to blame leave 500 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: that in some sense that there probably are historical and 501 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 3: philosophical reasons for that. And I think the simplest explanation 502 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 3: is people want simple answers for everything. They want simple 503 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 3: answers for everything, and especially in a world where we 504 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: view victimhoods. 505 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 2: So highly, and apparently people on. 506 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: The right do it as well, it's very easy for 507 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: us to show that people on the left. Do you know, 508 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 3: if you take a minority group that has been pagrummed 509 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: and holocausted and all of these things over time, and 510 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 3: somehow they're still here, and they're still successful, and they 511 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: still largely maintain family and the things that most of 512 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 3: us think are important. It doesn't quite fit the calculator. 513 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: It doesn't quite fit the calculator. But I'd much rather 514 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 3: stand up and be hated than live on my knees 515 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 3: and beloved. 516 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: That is such a good point. I've told this story 517 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times, but we years ago we interviewed 518 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: Holocaust survivors and I sat with this one couple. They 519 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: had both been in concentration camps, and the husband talked 520 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: the whole time. The wife said nothing, almost to the 521 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: point where it was uncomfortable. I'm like, am I insulting you? 522 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: You know what is happening? And she had a very 523 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: stern look on her face. And I'm both very old, obviously, 524 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: and because they'd been in the Holocaust and they were 525 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: she was sitting in a chair. She couldn't get up 526 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: and walk anymore. And as I said goodbye, and as 527 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: I walked out. She very forcefully grabbed my arm and 528 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: it was the first time she'd even moved, so it 529 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: was quite shocking, you know, and she looked at me 530 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: with a lot of anger. But it was such a 531 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: Now I look back at it, it's like this was 532 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: a warning from God, because she looked at me and 533 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: she said, they hate the Jews, and they'll do it again. 534 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: And in my and this was probably five years ago. 535 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: Oh no, it would have been like seven years ago. 536 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: And in my naivete I remember thinking, well, no, we 537 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: aren't like that anymore. 538 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 3: Well, I don't look at the end of the day, 539 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 3: I don't think the warning is probably correct, and I 540 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 3: certainly wouldn't gloss over a warning of someone that has 541 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: lived through that. I do think from an American perspective, 542 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 3: we are so much better than this, and I think 543 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 3: this has been This is actually a very niche thing 544 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,959 Speaker 3: that unfortunately because of algorithms, and I would say some 545 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 3: very let's say confused trying to be nice here, I 546 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 3: guess confused influencers. It feels like it is scaled crazy 547 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 3: and it is upsetting. You know, you go to a 548 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 3: hairdresser and then hear something like that, so that it does, 549 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: so some of it does leak into reality. But I 550 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 3: would say, by and large, from an American perspective, Americans 551 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 3: are the most loving, decent, love your neighbor, live differently 552 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 3: people that have ever existed, because it's baked into exactly 553 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 3: what America was founded upon. I mean, there is no 554 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 3: country that welcome people from every corner of the earth 555 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 3: like America has. So all of us have a history 556 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 3: of there's a reason that your ancestors came here, there's 557 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 3: a reason that my ancestors came here. And so I 558 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: do think there are some better self defenses within that. 559 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 3: And actually I would say that the people that are 560 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 3: really going off about this stuff, and it's even a 561 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 3: shame we've had this and this much time talking about it, 562 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 3: they're actually fundamentally attacking America in the end. 563 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 2: Yes, if they're. 564 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 3: Fundamentally attacking our ability, we are, whether they like it 565 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 3: or not, found it on Judeo Christian values. If they 566 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 3: want to try to figure out how to separate thousands 567 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 3: of years of history between Jerusalem and Rome, they. 568 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: Can go ahead and do it. But that's just the fact. 569 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 3: And when they attack, when you go and say those 570 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 3: people did this, and those are the source of all 571 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 3: your problems. You're attacking the fundamental underpinnings of what America is. 572 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 3: Everyone's got a shot here and it's up to you 573 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 3: to figure out what to do with your life and 574 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: pursue happiness. 575 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: I think that's in a document somewhere. 576 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Yes, that's true. I mean they're effective propagandists, 577 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: but it is propaganda. There's one more thing that I 578 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: want to ask you about. And I feel kind of 579 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: silly asking you about this because I don't know anything 580 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: about it. But I saw it on your Twitter page 581 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: and I was like, what does he mean by oh Twitch? 582 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: Whatever I say on there that shouldn't be held to 583 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 3: a court a long Yeah, what about Twitch? 584 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: It is like, you are you indicated that this is 585 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: like a dangerous place and I don't know anything. 586 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: About well, I don't know what tremendous amount about Twitch, 587 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 3: But you know, there's all these other places where, you know, 588 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: it's a lot of gamers. Most of the mostly it's 589 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 3: people that are live streaming games, but then they're you know, 590 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: they're talking through the game. So you're watching someone play 591 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 3: Fortnite or whatever it is, and they're talking through all 592 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: this stuff. And they get a huge amount of fourteen 593 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 3: fifteen year old usually boys, watching this stuff, and then 594 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 3: they start spewing. 595 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: In political propaganda within that. 596 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 3: So you know, we think it's just oh, CNN's lying 597 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 3: and New York Times is lying, or okay, some idiot 598 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 3: on YouTube saying this, But there is a whole other 599 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 3: world out there that you and I of a certain age, 600 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 3: as gen xers, we. 601 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: Had nothing to do with. 602 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 3: It came way after us and we don't really understand, 603 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 3: but our kids are are damn well going to understand it, 604 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: most likely for the worst. And I would say between 605 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: Twitch and a lot of what's going on at Reddit, and. 606 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: There's a few of these other places. 607 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 3: These are like the underbelly of the Internet, places where 608 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 3: they're grabbing young minds. Discord as well, which also I 609 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: think basically started as a community for gamers. There is 610 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 3: something going on there that needs to be looked at 611 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 3: because there are crazy, crazy things happening there and they're 612 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: they're hijacking the minds of young people. 613 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 614 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I feel like we are not 615 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: allowed to talk about Tyler Robinson as a person and 616 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: that scares me because he was someone's child, and he 617 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: is someone's child that this somehow happened that his mind, 618 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: his parents certainly weren't saying this to him. And so 619 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: when I saw that post, that's what I thought, Okay, 620 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: you're telling us that there's something dark happening here, and 621 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about it because I don't know 622 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: about it. And I think a lot of people that 623 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: listen to this podcast are probably my age and maybe 624 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: you know a little younger, a little older, but have 625 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: kids around. 626 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: Mike, how old do you am? I allowed to ask, 627 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: how old do you are? I'm really yeah, yeah, so 628 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 3: I'm forty nine. So okay, I thought, Yeah, I figured 629 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: we were closed enough. Yeah, but that's the point we 630 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: did not. We are the last gen X is the 631 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: last generation that fully remembers the world before the phone. 632 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 3: You are the last ones. We are the ones that 633 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 3: came home from school and I would get on my 634 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 3: bike with all my buddies and we would disappear till 635 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: dinner time, and it was fine, and that's the way 636 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 3: it was supposed to be. They literally would put PSAs 637 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 3: on television. It's ten o'clock. Do you know where your 638 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 3: kids are because because parents didn't know. But it wasn't bad. 639 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 3: It was because the world was better, that's the thing. 640 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 3: So yes, there now is a world. You know. We 641 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 3: think Tyler Robinson's a good example. By all accounts, he 642 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 3: came from a solid family that had decent values. We're 643 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 3: not hearing anything crazy about the family, parents married, all 644 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: of those things. 645 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 2: Goes to college. The easy version. 646 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 3: Is, oh, he just got radicalized in a year and 647 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 3: a half at college. Now that's probably true to some extent. 648 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 3: There probably was some level of that going on at 649 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 3: the school, probably, But then you have to think a 650 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 3: year and a half, you take someone who's roughly normal 651 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 3: for lack of a better term, and then turn them 652 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 3: into a murderer. And the crazy part is if you 653 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: read the text between him and the trans roommate or 654 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: lover or whatever it was, you know he's saying, I'm 655 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 3: going to do this for you, my love in essence, 656 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 3: but it's like, what were you really thinking there? If 657 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 3: you had only thought for a split second longer, your 658 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 3: life is now over because you're gonna either die by 659 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 3: firing squad or end up in prison for the rest 660 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 3: of your life. The trans guy his life is his 661 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 3: functioning life is over because this is his defining moment 662 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 3: that he'll never get over. 663 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: So you didn't save anything. 664 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 3: But that's the level of craziness that they can get 665 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 3: wrapped up into between education system that lies to them, 666 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 3: my mainstream media that lies, and then this other part, 667 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 3: this underbelly of the internet stuff that I just I'm 668 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 3: not even that privy to it, but we just know 669 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: it's there. 670 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 2: I know. 671 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I've had people in my life who actually, 672 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: in the last few weeks I've really been paying attention to. 673 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: Even my mom will come to me and be like, 674 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, did you see that the Detroit Lions 675 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: gave a million dollars to Erica Kirk? And I'm like, no, Mom, 676 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: that's not true. You know it's there is so much 677 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: information out there that's just fake that she's getting caught 678 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: up in these la la stories. And I think kids 679 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: can get caught up in the dark stories. And that's 680 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: why I just wanted to share it. I saw it 681 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: and I said, these are things I don't know. And 682 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: I also I sometimes think we're too quick to say 683 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: we refuse to talk about the shooter because we can't 684 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: prevent it. If we don't learn why it happened. And 685 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: see make sure other kids aren't going through this because 686 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: this is dark. Like you said, if you think through this, 687 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: this is not a good idea. So how did he 688 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: get there? And I appreciate you going there with me 689 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: because I wanted to talk about that. So thank you, 690 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing your stories about Charlie. Is there 691 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: anything that we don't know that is a behind the 692 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: scenes story that you can share? 693 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 3: Well, just real quick, I'll tell you one thing that 694 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 3: I have mentioned. I think I put it up on 695 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 3: Twitter when I was opening or when I was doing 696 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 3: my last book tour a couple of years ago. We 697 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 3: were in Arizona and that's where Turning Point is in Phoenix, 698 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 3: and I said, Charlie, could you open for me? He 699 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 3: was in crippling back pain. You know, Charlie was really tall, 700 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: he was about six foot five and he had a 701 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 3: lot of back stuff. He was a great basketball player 702 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: and he was a kid, which I just found out 703 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 3: now I just saw some videos. He was a great player. Anyway, 704 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 3: he had really really bad back pain. He said, Dave, 705 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 3: I will try, but I don't even know that. I 706 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 3: can literally get in a car to get there, so 707 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: about an hour before the show, we didn't know. 708 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 2: If he was going to be there. 709 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 3: So Blake Masters, who was running for senate at the time, 710 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,239 Speaker 3: he was kind of the backup at the time in 711 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 3: case Charlie couldn't do it. Charlie shows up a few 712 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 3: minutes before the show. He literally was laying in the 713 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: green room on the floor. That's how much pain he 714 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 3: was in. Couldn't even I have a picture. I'll send 715 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 3: it to you. I have a picture of him trying 716 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 3: to sit on the couch and he couldn't even sit 717 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 3: on the couch. 718 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: He was laying on the floor and you can see 719 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: how uncomfortable he is. 720 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: Anyway, he goes up, he does about ten minutes, opens 721 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 3: for me and then he says, Dave, listen, and you know, 722 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 3: the audience was so happy to see him. And that's 723 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 3: his home area there, like he wanted to stay for 724 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 3: the meet and greet and everything, and he was in 725 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: just crippling pain. And he said, Dave, I'm so sorry, 726 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 3: but I got to get going. He did a great 727 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 3: job and he would not even take money. I tried 728 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 3: to offer him money for the appearance. He would not 729 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: even take money. 730 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 2: And that was Charlie. 731 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: That's that is a good and for anybody listening who 732 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: is like, what does he mean by take money? Everybody 733 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: tries to get money in this business, and when you 734 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: see someone who doesn't, I will just plug Clay for 735 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: a minute, because Clay Travis, we have a big event 736 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: coming up this weekend in on Macina Island and we 737 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: were desperate for a headliner and I called him and 738 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: I was like, I need a favor and we're like, 739 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: really broke, we need your help, and he was like, 740 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: I got you. And that just tells you so much 741 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: about who people are when they go, I'm there for 742 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: you when you need me. So I appreciate you sharing that. 743 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: You know, It's funny. 744 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of lists because it's usually the 745 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 3: Communists and the Marxists that love lists, But like Clay 746 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 3: and you, and there's a few of the people that 747 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 3: are that are on my sort of mental list of 748 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 3: that are just good people amidst this, Like it doesn't 749 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 3: matter what the politics are that you obviously know are 750 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 3: good humans and that's what we have to kind of 751 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 3: focus on right now as we watch some of the craziness. 752 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I so enjoyed having you, because you are 753 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air. Dave Rubin, thank you so 754 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: much for being on today. It's good to see you, 755 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: Tutor absolutely, and thank you all for joining us. Remember 756 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: you can find us anywhere you get your podcasts iHeartRadio, app, 757 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or watch it on Rumble and YouTube at 758 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon and join us the next time. Have a 759 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: blessed day.