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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's the top of

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Speaker 1: the week, which means we are diving into our weekly

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Speaker 1: strange news segment, all the hits, all the weird ones

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Speaker 1: that we wanted to examine. Uh it give them a

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Speaker 1: little bit of of a closer look maybe. And today

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Speaker 1: we're travel lane around the world. We've got a bit

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Speaker 1: of hidden history. We've got a Japanese mystery. We've got

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Speaker 1: the I don't know how what would you call it, Matt,

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Speaker 1: The weather in Iowa seems to be I don't know,

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Speaker 1: a little bit dismissive because this is a big deal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well it's it's weather saying I don't care who you are,

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Speaker 1: f text message received loud and clear. Yes. So with

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Speaker 1: all of these stories, you know, one thing backstage that

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Speaker 1: it a thing. Let's just make a sixth episode that's

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Speaker 1: just listener listener mail that hit the floor. If you

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Speaker 1: make them eight days a week. Oh boy, Uh, nobody

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Speaker 1: tell our boss that. So you know, we didn't talk

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Speaker 1: in the US and in the heartland of the United States.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna begin with a story that you likely heard about,

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Speaker 1: perhaps you lived through this event. If you are out

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Speaker 1: that happened last week. This is uh. This is the

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Speaker 1: headline of the articles from USA Today from august Iowans

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Speaker 1: grapple with aftermath of Monday's deadly diricho, a disaster that

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Speaker 1: it is highlighting something called a dorito storm d E

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Speaker 1: This writer Marshall Shepherd is taking a lot of information

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Speaker 1: so a direcco as described by the n o a A.

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Speaker 1: and it's very very different that they're not sleeping in

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Speaker 1: the actual roadway. And you know, I put this in

429
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Speaker 1: our little document or we keep track of the articles

430
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Speaker 1: we're going to discuss, and I I wrote, why are

431
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Speaker 1: so many people falling asleep in the middle of the

432
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Speaker 1: street in Occa now in Japan? Is it the warm climate,

433
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: too much partying, or something more sinister? I have no

434
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: evidence that it's something more sinister, But does this not

435
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: seem like the beginning of like a Stephen King story

436
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: or like some kind of like CULTI film where all

437
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: of a sudden people start falling asleep in the middle

438
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Speaker 1: of the street and getting run over by like cars.

439
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: It seems like a good set up, good premise, I

440
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Speaker 1: would I would agree with you, however, with your proposition

441
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Speaker 1: that there is some the more sinister going on. Uh.

442
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Speaker 1: And this is something that may be familiar to a

443
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: lot of people. It's Japan's murderous working culture. We're talking

444
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Speaker 1: for a lot of these office workers. Traditionally it's sixty

445
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Speaker 1: hours a week easy because you are not allowed to

446
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Speaker 1: leave even if you're done for the day until you're

447
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: the senior above you leaves, and uh, you're also when

448
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: you leave, you don't really leave at least pretty often

449
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: you are required to go out, like you have to

450
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: go to hang out with people and go drinking or

451
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: seeing karaoke for your career. And then the thing is

452
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: you don't get a breakout after that, Like even if

453
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Speaker 1: your boss knows that you guys were out until two am,

454
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: you still have to be in the office at eight

455
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: or whatever. You still have to stay until your boss

456
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Speaker 1: says it's time to call it a night by going

457
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Speaker 1: too the karaoke place. Again, it's a vicious cycle. You're

458
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: absolutely right, and and and I think the point, maybe

459
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: neither one of us mentioned quite yet, is the reason

460
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: they end up having to sleep in the street in

461
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: this situation a lot of times, Um, is that they've

462
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Speaker 1: missed the last train because oftentimes folks don't live, you know,

463
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Speaker 1: in the city. You know, it could be a long commute,

464
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Speaker 1: and if you miss that train that goes back out

465
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Speaker 1: to the area where you live, you're stuck. Um, But

466
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: you're right, it is more socially acceptable. But I've still

467
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: really perplexed at this, specifically sleeping in the middle of

468
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: the road aspect of this phenomenon, people putting their heads

469
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Speaker 1: on street curbs and actually getting killed like there there

470
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: have been deaths associated with this, and and you know,

471
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Speaker 1: all kinds of disturbances, and Travis, Matt you've been you've

472
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: been a little quiet on this one. I'm interested to

473
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: see what hear, what your lizard brain does with this

474
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: particular story. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how much

475
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: of this is actually people sleeping in the road. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I was looking at the article that you share,

477
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Speaker 1: and I was trying to find a few more things,

478
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: just situation. Not a lot about it. There's not a

479
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: lot of reporting on this, and it's specifically out of Okinawa,

480
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Speaker 1: it seems like. And I saw one other, uh little

481
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: blurb on a not particularly reputable looking site. So I

482
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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm interested to know what you found. Yeah,

483
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Speaker 1: I really haven't found much else referring to the act

484
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Speaker 1: of sleeping in the road. The I guess they're calling

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Speaker 1: it ro here. Um Um, you know, I just have

486
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Speaker 1: to agree. I have to agree with you guys that

487
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Speaker 1: the biggest issue here is the work life that is

488
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Speaker 1: meant to be maintained, not just in Okinawa, terrible. I

489
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: mean it's intense there, right, But that kind of pressure

490
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: for working people, I would say exists across the planet

491
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: where you feel that need to both impress your you know,

492
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Speaker 1: higher ups, to be seen to be there for functions

493
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Speaker 1: and right outs. Perhaps a little lessoned because we don't

494
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Speaker 1: have to be physically in a lot of places. If

495
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: especially if you're superiors whoever they are, are aware of

496
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: world events and dangers to your health and their health.

497
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: But it is a real situation where work life balance

498
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Speaker 1: is a is a tough thing to to keep and

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Speaker 1: one thing I think that compounds it is like when

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Speaker 1: I originally mentioned that having to sleep in the streets

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Speaker 1: because of the train cut off, which I believe is

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Speaker 1: at one am. Uh. It's at least in the US

503
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: in major cities it's relatively inexpensive to get a ride

504
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Speaker 1: home from an uber or something like that. But in

505
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Japan the taxis are are going to be more expensive. Now,

506
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 1: I I'm not did I get an uber. I'm not

507
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: too familiar with how it works, how the uber the

508
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: lift works in Japan, and whether it's as ubiquitous as

509
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: it is in large cities here, but yeah, it's you

510
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: can be s o l and it's a very debilitating

511
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Speaker 1: lifestyle over time, I would say, like especially, and you

512
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Speaker 1: know what's brilliant about your point, Matt, and terrifying about

513
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: your point is that it's absolutely correct and this pattern

514
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: is growing. You can, you know, you can associate it

515
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: with capitalism and demonize that if you want, but the

516
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that in many, many places

517
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Speaker 1: of world, people are working much more for less and

518
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: less and less. Like go back, look at them. Look

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Speaker 1: at the increase in minimum wage from you know, a

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00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: five year period, and then look at the increase in rent,

521
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: and then look at the increase in expected off work

522
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Speaker 1: duties that are still work for many many people. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, man, I would it makes me think of

524
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: all the all the people we've seen arguing recently for

525
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Speaker 1: like a four hour work sorry, a four day work week. Yeah, yeah, no,

526
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: it's true, And just just a little bit of perspective.

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Speaker 1: Japan has a population of around a hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: six million as of eighteen and Okinawa is just a

529
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Speaker 1: little over one million, and we only have about seven

530
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Speaker 1: thousand of these cases reported. So it's not like it's

531
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Speaker 1: some sort of like epidemic, uh not. To abuse that

532
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: term during an actual uh pandemic. Um. But yeah, I

533
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: still thought it was interesting. It It made me, uh,

534
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, it made me give it a second look.

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Speaker 1: So I thought I thought i'd bring that one out

536
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Speaker 1: for today. I don't really have much else to add,

537
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: but I'm interested to see if if anything else comes

538
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: with this, if these numbers start to go up or

539
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: taper off, or I don't know. I'm also interested to

540
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: all your points about the work week, how quarantine has

541
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 1: affected that culture in Japan, you know, like our our

542
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: our people working from home in Japan as much as

543
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: we are here, are people expected to return back to

544
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: the office because of that very militaristic attitude towards you know,

545
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: office life and that absolutely non existent work life balance. Um. Any.

546
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Speaker 1: I don't know that we have a whole lot of

547
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: Japanese listeners, but if anyone spent time there as family there,

548
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: let us know. I'd be very interested to know. Ben,

549
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: have you seen anything about how how they're dealing with

550
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: this aspect of quarantine. Uh. Yeah, So Japan, like many

551
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: many other countries, UH did a realistically fantastic job addressing

552
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: the spread of COVID nineteen and because of again, you know,

553
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: we're outsiders to this culture. We've seen it, we've read

554
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: about it, but we are not Japanese more of as

555
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: far as I know, any of us lived there for

556
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Speaker 1: an extended time. But you'll see a lot of reporting,

557
00:32:53,200 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: especially around June maybe April, about how the pandemic actually

558
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Speaker 1: only provided this fundamental shift in Japanese work culture. Specifically,

559
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the reports that say more than sixty

560
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Speaker 1: percent of Japanese workers who worked from home during COVID

561
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: now say they want to keep doing that after the

562
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: pandemic has passed. And honestly, there are probably a lot

563
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Speaker 1: of people in Europe, in other parts of Asia, in

564
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Speaker 1: North and South America who thought the same thing, you

565
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, just imagine all the time

566
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Speaker 1: you're saving on a commute if you work from home firsthand. Um,

567
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Speaker 1: you know. Here the last thing I just want to say, guys,

568
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Speaker 1: I am going back to your thoughts on whether this

569
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Speaker 1: was something creepy happening, something bigger at play. I'm imagining

570
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Speaker 1: the court accepts fungus and the way it acts on ants,

571
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: and how this could be for humans, and what if

572
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Speaker 1: there was some kind of fungal infection there was occurring.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I don't believe this, but what if there

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Speaker 1: was some kind of fungus there was affecting humans that

575
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: was causing us all to go out into the streets

576
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: and lay down and go to sleep because it would

577
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: spread more fungus the automobile, right, you know it's just splattering. Yeah,

578
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: oh gosh, Okay, you know what's funny. It made me

579
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Speaker 1: think of this film Suicide Club. I don't know if

580
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: you guys have seen this, but it's about this spate

581
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Speaker 1: of very inexplicable suicides um in in Japan or I

582
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: forgid of it's Japanese or Korean film now that I'm

583
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it, but like schoolgirls jumping in front

584
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Speaker 1: of subway trains and things like that, like holding hands

585
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: like that. That's the creep level that this made me

586
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Speaker 1: think of. I have I have one thing. You know,

587
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: he keeps saying we're going to move on, but I

588
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: have I have one thing here that this reminded me of.

589
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Speaker 1: My first question was actually going to be I had

590
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Speaker 1: assumed it would be the dangerous work culture and the

591
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: traditional expectations, but my first question was going to be

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Speaker 1: about the age of the people who are found to

593
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Speaker 1: sleep in the road because Okinawa has a very very

594
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Speaker 1: rare distinction. It's one of the few places in the

595
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Speaker 1: world known as what's called a blue zone, a blue zone,

596
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: and you can read some great articles or videos about

597
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Speaker 1: this from how stuff works dot com. I remember if

598
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: I made the video on this one. But a blue zone, anyway,

599
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Speaker 1: is a place in the world where people have a

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Speaker 1: much much higher chance of becoming centennarians and retaining their

601
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Speaker 1: mental and physical health. People tend to live longer in

602
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Speaker 1: blue zones for a number of reasons that are pretty

603
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Speaker 1: well understood but maybe not fully explained. So I was wondering.

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Speaker 1: I remembered when you said this, remember the Okinawa is

605
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Speaker 1: one of those rare blue zones, And I was thinking,

606
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: are the people falling asleep because they're overworked and maybe overserved,

607
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: or are they falling asleep because you know they're in

608
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Speaker 1: their hundreds. But looking at the photos you're showing, you're

609
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Speaker 1: showing us here, No, it looks like these are mostly

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Speaker 1: middle aged and maybe even younger people. Would you say, yeah,

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00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: it seems like mainly there's I've seen a few folks

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Speaker 1: who looked maybe a little bit older but not not

613
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Speaker 1: not to that degree. And um, there's an interesting stat here.

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Speaker 1: Basically all of this has led to is uh this

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, discussion about how do we prevent

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Speaker 1: this phenomenon? But also a pretty reasonable fine, um fifty

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Speaker 1: thou yen, which is around four hundred and seventy dollars.

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Speaker 1: And I mean there's a ton of these pictures on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: there's videos, there have been examples of women, um taking

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Speaker 1: off their clothes. Uh. And the article can you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of speculates that they think their home, they think

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Speaker 1: they've gotten home. Um, So it does appear that alcohol

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Speaker 1: is a big part of this, but absolutely, Ben, I

624
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: mean this uh, crushing work situations has to be the culprit.

625
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Speaker 1: But I don't know. Let's keep an eye on this one.

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00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: And there you have it. No, I think you've made

627
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: a great call to action for everyone in Japan who

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00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: is listening to the show. We do have a few

629
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: of our fellow listeners located there. Let us know, you know,

630
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: because we're half a world away. So it can sometimes

631
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: be tough to tell whether this is a new phenomenon

632
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: or whether it's a new report on an existing phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and with that, we're going

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Speaker 1: to pause. We're going to return to the US in

635
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Speaker 1: our next segment, but maybe not in a way you

636
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Speaker 1: were expecting. What are we talking about? Will tell you

637
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Speaker 1: if everyone is still awake after this commercial break, we

638
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Speaker 1: have returned. This is a story about hidden history. I'm

639
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Speaker 1: very excited about this. I want to see what you

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Speaker 1: guys think. We all remember the famous lost colony of Roanoke, right,

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Speaker 1: It's it's conspiracy lore. It's uh, it's not quite the

642
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: top tier stuff like JFK or Roswell or Bigfoot, but yeah,

643
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Speaker 1: I would say it's pretty well known, you know, even

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Speaker 1: outside of the US. So here is the quick and dirty.

645
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: Now going too deep into it. I'm sure we've done

646
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Speaker 1: some sort of episode that touched on this in the past,

647
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Speaker 1: whether it was on video or audio. But this is

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Speaker 1: one of North America's oldest unsolved mysteries. In August seven,

649
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Speaker 1: a group of a little more than a hundred settlers

650
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: arrived on Roanoke Island. These were English settlers. They were

651
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Speaker 1: off the coast of what is today known as North Carolina.

652
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: They were having a tough time. They were not prepared

653
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Speaker 1: for the hardship, you know, this was a new land,

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Speaker 1: and they quickly quickly learned the hard way that this

655
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Speaker 1: would be a difficult existence. Later in the year, still

656
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Speaker 1: in seven, they sent John White, the governor of their colony,

657
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Speaker 1: back to England to get more supplies. But as he

658
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Speaker 1: arrived in Europe, a huge war broke out between England

659
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Speaker 1: and Spain. As they say in Seinfeld, YadA, YadA, YadA,

660
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Speaker 1: every available ship has to confront the Spanish armada. John White,

661
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Speaker 1: long story short, doesn't get back to Roanoke until nine.

662
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Speaker 1: He's left his wife and his daughter there, his infant granddaughter.

663
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Speaker 1: He finds no trace, according to the story of the colony,

664
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Speaker 1: no trace of those English settlers. Doesn't really have any

665
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Speaker 1: clues about what happened, except for one thing, one word

666
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Speaker 1: carved into a tree. I think we all know what

667
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: that word is, right, was the red drum? It was close?

668
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: It was close, yeah it yes, yes. And this, this

669
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Speaker 1: single mystery became the focus point of so many investigations,

670
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Speaker 1: ranging from serious academic endeavors to maybe stuff a little

671
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Speaker 1: more on the sensationalistic side. I think we grew up,

672
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Speaker 1: you know, hearing these various stories and allegations, some of

673
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Speaker 1: which ended up being true, but just recently, in the

674
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Speaker 1: Virginian Pilots, journalist Jeff Hampton has spoken with an author

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Speaker 1: named Scott Dawson. Scott Dawson is the creator of a

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Speaker 1: book that was published just this past June called The

677
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Speaker 1: Lost Colony and Hatteras Island. He has uh he has

678
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Speaker 1: correlated the work of archaeologists, historians, botanist, geologists and other

679
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Speaker 1: people who have been digging in this area for more

680
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Speaker 1: than a decade, and according to him, the mystery has

681
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Speaker 1: been solved. He says, they, meaning the colonists in question,

682
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Speaker 1: were never lost. Instead, he says it was made up

683
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Speaker 1: and the mystery is over. He believes that all the

684
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Speaker 1: records he's found, all the artifacts that people have excavated

685
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Speaker 1: from these various sites, two digs in particular, prove that

686
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Speaker 1: the colonists, ultimately to survive, joined up with the local

687
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: Native American community there in the sixteenth century. And his

688
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: evidence is pretty solid. Us some people might say that

689
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Speaker 1: this is a a boring answer, but it's something that

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Speaker 1: I think we talked about, at least in speculative terms

691
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Speaker 1: in our earlier episodes on this They they found so

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Speaker 1: many things that were indicative of a mix of Native

693
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Speaker 1: American and English communities. They found parts of swords and

694
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Speaker 1: guns in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery

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Speaker 1: and arrowheads, and these are not spaced far enough away,

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Speaker 1: uh for there to be a plausible argument that they were,

697
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Speaker 1: you know, left at different times. According to Henry Wright, uh,

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Speaker 1: anthropology professor at the University of Michigan and an expert

699
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Speaker 1: on Native history, in a spot the size of two

700
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Speaker 1: parking spaces, they could find as many as ten thousand

701
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: different pieces and artifacts. So so they left Roanoke Island

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Speaker 1: with the Croatan community, like you said, met the word

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00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: Croatan that was carved there, and they settled on nearby

704
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: how Rus Island, and the communities assimilated. This is something

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Speaker 1: that you know, I personally in test happens a lot

706
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Speaker 1: in the eastern seaboard of early North America, and then

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Speaker 1: they lived there for generations. It wasn't until more than

708
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Speaker 1: a hundred years later an explorer named John Lawson found

709
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Speaker 1: what he thought was a Native community, which basically was

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Speaker 1: Native community, and he remarked that it was odd to

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Speaker 1: him that members of the community had blue eyes, and

712
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Speaker 1: some even told him. This is from his contemporaneous account

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Speaker 1: that they had ancestors who could quote speak out of

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Speaker 1: a book a k A. Literacy fascinating is fascinating. Um,

715
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Speaker 1: So basically they abandoned the site. Is that the idea,

716
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Speaker 1: and that they just kind of assimilated with these native people? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was no sign of distress when Governor White return

718
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: three years later to the site. There were no like

719
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Speaker 1: signs of violence. There were signs of privation, right, and

720
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Speaker 1: starvation very difficult times. But if you look at it,

721
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: basically what they did was they tried to helpfully indicate

722
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Speaker 1: what happened to them by literally making a sign proton

723
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Speaker 1: means we went with these people. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: this mystery would have been solved centuries ago by Governor

725
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: White himself had not a bad storm and then unrest,

726
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Speaker 1: domestic unrest, pretty much mutiny on his ship prevented him

727
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Speaker 1: from reaching that second island. So eventually he gave up

728
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Speaker 1: and he just went back to England, leaving the mystery

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Speaker 1: unsolved and people have been digging for it ever since.

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Speaker 1: So I think that we had in the past, again

731
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: speculated about this, but we didn't have full proof, right,

732
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Speaker 1: and for centuries one of the theories was that the

733
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Speaker 1: Native population had attacked the people of this colony at

734
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Speaker 1: Roanoke Island. But it appears that the Croatan community was

735
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Speaker 1: pretty down with the English settlers. They liked that they

736
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Speaker 1: had guns and armor, and the colony that was run

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Speaker 1: by Governor White also welcomed the Croatans because they were

738
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Speaker 1: much better than another community in the area, the Secotans,

739
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: who had attacked and killed one of the English colonists.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I remember from our episode earlier this year.

741
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Speaker 1: It was speculation on those two tribes that were opposing.

742
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: I believe were the groups indigenous groups um, because in

743
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: the past been wasn't I seem to remember, and I

744
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: don't know if this is correct, something about the what

745
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: is the group the Cicco Tens they were weren't they?

746
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Speaker 1: At least? Isn't it thought that that group was very

747
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Speaker 1: aggressive and the Crowtons were maybe a little more peaceful

748
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Speaker 1: or had even been um they were they were enslaved.

749
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say the Crotons were enslaved by

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Speaker 1: the Secretens at some point, and then the English actually

751
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: helped the Crotons. It's been a while, but but there

752
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: the story that we there was, I guess hypothesized at

753
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: the time when we made that episode, it sounds like

754
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: we're pretty much finding out that it's true. Yeah. Yeah,

755
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: it turns out that the historical mystery has probably been solved,

756
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: at least according to Dawson, but also going back to

757
00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: some of our previous examinations of forensic DNA research, we

758
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: we're receiving and have been receiving, regular revelations that prove,

759
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: if you think about it, that the untold history of

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00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: early North America is a history that is alive, and

761
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: it is in some of us today. And I especially

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00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: love the point that Dawson makes when he says the

763
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: mystery assaultd he seems somewhat offended. He says, quote, you're

764
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: robbing an entire nation of people of their history by

765
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: pretending Crowaton is a mystery on a tree. These were

766
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: people that mattered a lot. M And it makes you think,

767
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, did you guys grow up with

768
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: this mystery as well? I did, But I have to

769
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: be completely candid, I absolutely conflated it with James Town.

770
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: In my head. It was another like you know, colony

771
00:47:54,200 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: misery mystery kind of situation. Uh so, yeah, I definitely, yeah,

772
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: definitely remember Roanoke and Jamestown, but just my adult brain

773
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: is kind of mushing them together, which I know a

774
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: lot of history buffs out there are going to say

775
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: that is inexcusable sermon, but that's where I am. Yeah,

776
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: it's been around with me for a long time. You know,

777
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: it always conjures images of a ghost town or you know,

778
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: that mass disappearance. It really stands, at least for me,

779
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: as the example of a mass disappearance event, and there

780
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: aren't many of them in in the history of the

781
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: world where just an entire town, an entire city or

782
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: area or group just is gone. Um. And you know,

783
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: admittedly it has a lot to do with the number

784
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: the number of people traveling to and from Roanoke who

785
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: are actually writing down recording history right Um, in some

786
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: way that would be understood and kept and passed down

787
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: by at least largely English speaking people who invaded and

788
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: came over to these lands. Um. But yeah, it's it's

789
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: always been. The image is always conjured in my mind

790
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: of like mists somewhere there and where the colony of

791
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: Roanoke once stood, and just the remnants of some longhouses

792
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: or or something or some some type of homes that

793
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: were built by colonists and perhaps by indigenous peoples, and

794
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: it makes it makes perfect sense to attempt to assimilate. Right,

795
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Speaker 1: You're a stranger in a strange land. You may not

796
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 1: be able to grow the crops to which you are accustomed.

797
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: You are not familiar with the flora and your the fauna. Right,

798
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: you don't know what's poisonous. There's that that's always a surprise.

799
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: Who would who would imagine that mushroom risotto could kill you?

800
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: It more than makes sense. It does not make sense

801
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: to avoid those people who know what they're doing and

802
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: to have, you know, have ancestry dating back thousands of

803
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: years there And this put me in a rabbit hole

804
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: that we don't have time to discuss today. But I've

805
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: been reading, um, I've been reading more and more about

806
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: DNA research into early populations of people, and this was

807
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: on my mind because of a previous episode that we

808
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,479
Speaker 1: did very recently, the one in which we explore when

809
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: the human species actually reached North and South America and this,

810
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like they're two very different stories,

811
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: but they're similar in that we still have uh myth

812
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: making going on, and we still have mysteries that we

813
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: insist on echoing despite the fact that we have the

814
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: technological tools to solve them. It's just humanity can be very,

815
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: very stubborn when the truth of something doesn't match the

816
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: narrative with which we are all so comfortable. So again,

817
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: it's it's relatively rare for us to be able to

818
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: do this, but check one off the box. There is one,

819
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: uh one strange story that has been solved. And I

820
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: know we just do one story a day, but I

821
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Speaker 1: wanted to share a funny listener mail I saw earlier

822
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Speaker 1: today with you guys or not Mr Mail. Someone joined

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy on Facebook. They send us

824
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: a message and they said they're not great with puns,

825
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: but they said they they told us a joke. We'll

826
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Speaker 1: enjoy it. Are you ready? M hm? Three conspiracy theorists

827
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Speaker 1: walk into a bar. You can't tell me that's a coincidence. Great,

828
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Speaker 1: I love it. What a great way to wrap up.

829
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: That's awesome. And those are so ephemeral, man, once you

830
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: click accept, they disappear, So I'm glad that you like

831
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Speaker 1: at least grabbed a screenshot or or a mental snapshot

832
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: of that. Some of them are really and this is

833
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Speaker 1: our show for today. Everybody in the path of the shows,

834
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: in the path of fire, NATO's please be safe out there,

835
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: everybody in Okinawa, especially Okinawa, let us know what's going on.

836
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: Are how many people are really falling asleep in roadways

837
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: and why do you think they are? And of course,

838
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: if you have a theory on the disappearance of anyone

839
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: from the crew of the Mary Celeste, which I think

840
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: is also solved by the way to the Anasazi tribe

841
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: in the late twelve hundreds, or if you disagree with

842
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: Scott Dawson about what happened to the colony on Roanoke Island,

843
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: we want to hear from you. You can find us.

844
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: We're all over the internet. It's hard not to find

845
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: us at this point. Like I don't know if we

846
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: ever told any one on air, but back in the day,

847
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: we had a lot of pressure internally to start a Pinterest,

848
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: which is looking back, feels so weird. Do you remember

849
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: that it's never too late to start up interest? If

850
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: people even still Pinterest anymore? Is that called a valid

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, We're on Instagram, not just as a show,

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Speaker 1: And that's pretty much it. I have a Twitter it's

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Speaker 1: Matt Frederick, Oh I am busy starting my Pinterest account.

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Speaker 1: Matt Frederick underscore, I heart It's the longest one you'll

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Speaker 1: social media? What happens for everyone who's listened to our

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Speaker 1: previous episodes on social media and big data and why

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Speaker 1: why everything is terrible? What? What could they do? What

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