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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And a new Pew research study says

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Speaker 1: seven and ten Americans say Donald Trump is trying to

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Speaker 1: exert more power than his predecessors trying he is. We

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Speaker 1: have such a great show for you today. MSNBC's own

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Speaker 1: Ali Batali stops by to talk about all the fuckery

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Speaker 1: in Congress as the United States government continues to be

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Speaker 1: shut down. Then we'll talk to both Magazine's Daniel Nickanyon

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Speaker 1: about local races and their implication on DEM's chances in

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Speaker 1: the midterms.

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Speaker 2: But first, the stories the media is missing.

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Speaker 3: So Molly, we kind of knew that one of the

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Speaker 3: implications of the government shutting down is that Russ Bott

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Speaker 3: would get in there and start messing around, getting rid

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Speaker 3: of some things. And now Trump's just narrating it for

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Speaker 3: everybody and talking about it like it's his dream.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I still think that this is like

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Speaker 1: a lot of threats and bluster. I mean, they may

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Speaker 1: do it, but a lot of this is illegal, a

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Speaker 1: lot of this is unpopular, and Trump likes to be popular,

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Speaker 1: even though he's not very popular. You know, he likes

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Speaker 1: to be popular with his base, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: his base gets social services. They already doge the whole

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Speaker 1: federal government. So I'm going to be a little bit

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Speaker 1: suspicious about this. I mean Trump has already said he's

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Speaker 1: not going to back pay federal workers.

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Speaker 2: They're never going to be able to do that.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, here he is will be cutting

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Speaker 1: some very popular democratic programs that aren't popular with Republicans. Spoiler,

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Speaker 1: you cut them all already, Like you know, look elon

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Speaker 1: cut cancer research for children that's popular with everyone, right, like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, we have to let those kids get cancer.

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Speaker 1: But you know, this is the Empoundment Control Act, another

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Speaker 1: anti corruption legislation passed after Richard Nixon, who Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: dreams of being like, but is actual much worse then.

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Speaker 1: So I would say, there is a bipartisan twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: law the mandates that federal workers are eligible for back pay.

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Speaker 1: So he would be bringing the law not the first

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Speaker 1: time this administration has broken the law, but probably going

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Speaker 1: to get him in some problems. So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: But I again, Trump is really into threats, like that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what he has going for him.

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Speaker 4: This is real passion.

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Speaker 3: So I think this has been a little uncovered in

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Speaker 3: But I'm particularly alarmed at how much Trump is going

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Speaker 3: Pisobiac delivered this one. This is my favorite in a

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Speaker 3: long time. Antifa has been around in various iterations for

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Speaker 3: almost one hundred years, in some instances going back to

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Speaker 3: the Weimar Republican Germany, Mali. For the listeners who don't

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Speaker 3: know what was Antifa fighting against when they did that.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell me Anti, wait, just just give me a hint. Anti.

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Speaker 2: What's the fat for?

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Speaker 1: This?

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Speaker 4: Is this guy Hitler?

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Speaker 3: You know, if we go to do some bad things

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Speaker 3: kind of that had this whole Nazi thing going.

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Speaker 4: But the more disturbing thing, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Is this order that he issued that Ken Klippenstein has

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Speaker 3: covered a bunch of NSPM seven where they're basically saying

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Speaker 2: Right like all democrats, yes.

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Speaker 3: And like while everybody's looking over at James Comy and

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Speaker 3: This is really the other hand that I think we

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, Look, I mean they're doing a lot of

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the groups that it said

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Speaker 1: Those are like indivisibles, like you know, the group that

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Speaker 1: So if you're going to take down Act Blue, then

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Speaker 1: what's really important is that you don't give up, and

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Speaker 4: That sounds about right.

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Speaker 3: Luckily, Trump has put his best and brightest who messes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the good news is most these layers

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Speaker 1: are bad. That I did think Mark Aalized had a

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Speaker 4: I think that's a great point.

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Speaker 3: So as well, there was another press conference since we

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Speaker 1: I think what's important about those live cabinet meetings, besides

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Speaker 1: that you really see how much time Trump spends messaging.

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Speaker 1: I do think, like, you know, when Democrats take back power,

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Speaker 1: The only way to get your message across, especially in

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Speaker 3: This, Yeah, and saying really insane stuff that we all discussed,

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Speaker 2: Well, things are not going amazing here.

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Speaker 3: So I always come back to did this statement come

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Speaker 3: I'm starting to believe that he's a bad narrator of

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Speaker 1: So basically they're trying to figure out something that causes

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Speaker 1: autism so that they can sell supplements. One of the

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Speaker 1: This stuff is really the stuff that makes me despair.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, whereas our next subject is just one of the many,

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Speaker 3: many stupid things that they do where they just don't

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Speaker 2: And well they're just lying.

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Speaker 3: So the White Houses claim that there's a more than

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think when you get your news

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Speaker 1: So Customs ICE officials have claimed since June that assaults

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because this group really likes to videotape stuff,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, like you know, it always is this

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Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of really good kind

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Speaker 1: Ali Vittali is a host of MSNBC's Way Too Early

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Politics, Ali Vittally so happy to be back.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we will make our haters waiters at the table

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Speaker 2: of success as we should be.

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Speaker 1: Quote our mayor who is on his way out, Eric Adams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is all.

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Speaker 1: We will talk about New York City poics because nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: That was always our rule was that nobody cared. Now

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Speaker 1: I actually think people care a little bit, but.

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Speaker 5: I deeply care. We too, really loves a mayoral segment.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, I'm all right. I want to talk first

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Speaker 1: about your interview with Mike Johnson, because Republicans electeds tend

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Speaker 1: how you got Mike Johnson on.

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I'm someone who thinks that we

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Speaker 5: And for folks who are like not nerds about congressional procedure,

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Speaker 5: Perhaps, I actually think this is the most mega thing

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Speaker 1: To clutch their pearls or no, they don't give a

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Speaker 1: fuck yeah, or are or are illegal.

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Speaker 2: More importantly, things that are illegal.

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Speaker 5: Willing, willing to test it all in court, willing to

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Speaker 5: try what true combination can I try between Illinois and Texas. Okay,

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Speaker 5: the Texas ones can go, but the Illinois ones get

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Speaker 5: held up. All right, that's still two hundred Texas troop.

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Speaker 5: That's still troops on the ground. We got it there, right,

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Speaker 5: Like they're willing to test that. I do think that

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Speaker 5: they run the risk of being too brazen when it

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Speaker 5: comes to saying federal workers who are furloughed will not

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Speaker 5: get their back pay.

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Speaker 2: I mean that.

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Speaker 5: Nineteen to close the loophole and ensure that they could.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's not popular, it's not legal, and it's

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Speaker 1: not happening.

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Speaker 2: So that was like so to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna win a court. But the other

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Speaker 1: thing with Trump is actually I still think they're incompetent,

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Speaker 1: but I see what you're saying, and they're definitely more

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Speaker 1: confident than they ever were. But the other thing that

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Speaker 1: I think is really important is that this crew is

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Speaker 1: so overplaying its hand, like they're behaving like we're in

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Speaker 1: you know, Turkey. You know that they're ard on when

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Speaker 1: it's like last year we had a normal government, and

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Speaker 1: I think that that shock is probably ultimately also what

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Speaker 1: saves this. But like I just the stuff that they're doing,

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Speaker 1: Like you see, the polling is terrible on this.

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Speaker 5: And we'll see, right, Like they have always had consistent

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Speaker 5: issues that worked for Trump, and it was always immigration,

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Speaker 5: Like I remember immigration get into like economy election period

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Speaker 5: where he didn't know if he was winning. It would

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Speaker 5: be coverage of a caravan on Fox or over indexing

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Speaker 5: again on crime, and so the fact that you're going all.

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Speaker 1: Remember how ye I'm a caravan, right, a caravan, And.

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Speaker 2: I was like, where did they find those guys? Are

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Speaker 2: they bringing them?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Gone?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 5: But like that was the thing. So it makes sense

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Speaker 5: why they would lead with the things that have always

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Speaker 5: worked for them, right, And so now there's a question

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Speaker 5: of are they over indexing on that? And I think

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Speaker 5: in my anecdotal conversations with Trump supporter people who have

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Speaker 5: voted for him three times, they have said to me

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Speaker 5: kind of questioning, well, I thought the immigration enforcement was

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Speaker 5: going to be like violent people or criminals, not like

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Speaker 5: a person who I've known who works at the diner

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Speaker 5: two blocks down from my house and has been here

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Speaker 5: for twenty years, like there is some reluctance about that,

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Speaker 5: and I don't know if that's going to be enough

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Speaker 5: ultimately see some kind of massive overhaul in the midterms.

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Speaker 5: That's like the first place that we look for, like

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Speaker 5: an actual national litmus test. But it's it's certainly an

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Speaker 5: operating theory, right, like are you overindexing on people wanting

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Speaker 5: less government bloat and by doing doge and then kind

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Speaker 5: of like doing doge on top of doge during a shutdown?

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Speaker 5: Like are you over indexing on that? I don't, We

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Speaker 5: don't know the answer yet.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, I do think like you do, see

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan being Joe Rogan being like this is not

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Speaker 1: fucking cool. The reason that Joe Rogan can do that

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Speaker 1: and Republicans can't is because Joe Rogan has a constituency

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Speaker 1: and Republicans don't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and to the extent that it aligned in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty four, it aligned, but you know in the same

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Speaker 5: way that the barstool guys, you know, Dave Pornoy and Rogan, like,

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Speaker 5: they are not people whose entry point is politics and

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Speaker 5: their audience's entry point is not politics. It was a

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Speaker 5: confluence that was really loose, and so I think the

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Speaker 5: coalition of twenty twenty four, it might have been just

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Speaker 5: a for now coalition in the same way frankly that

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Speaker 5: the Biden twenty twenty coalition was just a for now coalition,

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Speaker 5: and so testing that always in real Yes, But I.

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Speaker 1: Do think the big difference between Biden and Trump is

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Speaker 1: that Trump got in front of those people and Biden

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Speaker 1: did not. So even like that coalition, I think in

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Speaker 1: some ways like those people were more likely Biden people

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Speaker 1: because they actually found him versus the Trump people where

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Speaker 1: he found them and was like sneakers, Bitcoin, NFTs.

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Speaker 2: I'm offering you start.

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Speaker 5: For twenty twenty was I've always looked at it as

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Speaker 5: you know, people voting based on COVID response. Objectively speaking,

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Speaker 5: the Trump administration's response was bureaucratic mismanagement, at least for

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Speaker 5: the first several months, right, And so you know, we

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Speaker 5: could talk about that at length at a different point.

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Speaker 5: But I think, you know, if I think about the

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Speaker 5: last few weeks here in Washington, it seems like nothing

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Speaker 5: has changed, But I actually think there's one big thing

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Speaker 5: that has changed. It dawned on me as I was

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Speaker 5: doing my interview with the Speaker. It's that Democrats, by

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Speaker 5: holding their votes right now have managed to make this

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Speaker 5: a conversation that's no longer about if ACA subsidies or

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Speaker 5: healthcare generally should be up for negotiation. Now it's a

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Speaker 5: debate over when are they going to do that right,

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Speaker 5: and that debate still needs to be solved because that's

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Speaker 5: the only way the government gets open again. But they

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Speaker 5: incremental a win and a shifting of the Overton window

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Speaker 5: in Congress, where Mike Johnson two weeks ago was not saying, well,

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Speaker 5: one hundred percent are gonna have to do a negotiation

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Speaker 5: on the ACA soon was not saying that they were

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Speaker 5: like open, but they were not committal. And now they

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Speaker 5: put themselves in a position where they've had to be

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Speaker 5: committal at least to sitting at the negotiating table. And

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Speaker 5: I think we shouldn't sleep on the fact that that

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Speaker 5: is a dynamic that has changed in Washington, and it's

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Speaker 5: why Democrats are feeling like they need to continue to

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Speaker 5: hold this posture until there's some firm agreement on what

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Speaker 5: that negotiation looks like and when.

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Speaker 2: Right, So, will you see a way out of the shutdown?

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Speaker 5: I see a way out.

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Speaker 2: I just especially because Trump wants those ACA subsidies too well,

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Speaker 2: because he's I.

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Speaker 5: Mean, I asked Johnson that I said, if Trump decides,

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Speaker 5: in his constant quest for a deal that he wants

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Speaker 5: to do an ACA deal, are you going to work

555
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Speaker 5: against him? And he was like, well, no, but we

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Speaker 5: can't do it until the government is open, And I

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Speaker 5: don't know, it really depends on Trump's threshold for PA

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Speaker 5: and if he decides that the party is losing, because again,

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Speaker 5: like people can say what they will about him, but

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Speaker 5: he's always been one of the more adept members of

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Speaker 5: his party at putting his finger in the wind and

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Speaker 5: saying which way is it blowing? And am I winning?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Ali vatall.

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Speaker 5: Hey love so pleasure of you.

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Speaker 1: Daniel mccanyan is the editor of Volts magazine. Welcome Too

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics, Daniel, thank you so much. I feel like

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of local elections going on and some

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Speaker 1: of them are good, and some of them are looking

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Speaker 1: good for Democrats and that makes me happy not to

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Speaker 1: seem to partisan here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, it's an off your election, so

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Speaker 7: you would think they're off right now, but there's.

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Speaker 6: If anything, it gives us a lot.

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Speaker 7: More time to drill down at what's happening at the

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Speaker 7: local level, at.

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Speaker 6: The state level.

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Speaker 7: A lot of this stuff gets invisible in the presidential year,

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Speaker 7: but there's so many interesting tensions, the Stigramin's conflicts happening

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Speaker 7: in school boards, sheriff phrases, mayor races, and there's just

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Speaker 7: more room to see them, including on some of the

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Speaker 7: very stuff that you you care about the federal level

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Speaker 7: for you know.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the governor's race in New Jersey

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Speaker 1: because it's an interesting race for a couple reasons. Mikey

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Speaker 1: Cheryl's information was stolen by the admin. They published it

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Speaker 1: in the hopes of scaring her. The other guy is,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you say about that.

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Speaker 2: I just talk us through this race and what it

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Speaker 2: looks like.

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Speaker 6: Well, there's so much to say about it. You know.

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Speaker 7: First of all, New New Jersey, the state that has

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Speaker 7: voted pretty consistently blue at federal elections, has a history

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Speaker 7: of going Republican at the state level, and Republicans certainly

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Speaker 7: perform better in every state election, even if they lose.

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Speaker 7: In a way, it's not surprising that we're talking about

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Speaker 7: as competitive. One thing that's interesting is that the Republican

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Speaker 7: nominee has really embraced Trump, and he hadn't when he

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Speaker 7: first ran for governor. So that's a big deal in

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Speaker 7: terms of what Trump people be able to if he

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Speaker 7: does win. Immigration is really a huge issue there. Actually

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Speaker 7: that is being i think a little underplayed because that's

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Speaker 7: really something that the Republicans have pushed their promise to

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Speaker 7: end immediately the protections that the state has at the

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Speaker 7: state level for immigration enforcement. The lieutenant governor candidate is

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Speaker 7: a sheriff who has sort of a hardline or record

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Speaker 7: on immigration. It's not necessarily what they're running on in

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Speaker 7: terms of like ad or like the awkwardly campaign by

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Speaker 7: in terms of the kind of thing that's going to

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Speaker 7: have an immediate impact on Jersey. That that's the kind

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Speaker 7: of thing that's not getting as much play as it could.

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Speaker 7: And you know, in terms of where this is going,

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Speaker 7: the polls still showed Democrats of an advantage, not unlike Virginia,

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Speaker 7: but there's a lot more sweating it on Democrats. Democrats

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Speaker 7: have always sweat New Jersey elections because it's always them

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Speaker 7: sort of tidy even if it's not. But it's still

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Speaker 7: a question of who turns out in an off your

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Speaker 7: election Democrats have had the advantage, and.

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Speaker 6: Cheryl are still ahead in the pull. So that's where

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Speaker 6: we are right now.

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Speaker 2: She's just a little ahead or a lot.

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Speaker 6: Ahead, in between four and ten points.

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Speaker 7: Oky to people to decide if pat Yeah.

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Speaker 2: She did really well in the last debate.

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Speaker 1: Can we get Jesse in here to talk about her

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Speaker 1: debate performance because he is a new Jersey height.

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Speaker 3: Drastically improved with much more fearce, just as we've seen

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Speaker 3: Hakeim and Schumer do in recent weeks. It seems there's

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Speaker 3: a very big tide turn in democratic politics, especially for.

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Speaker 4: The more normy. Dems are getting way more aggressive.

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Speaker 2: Yes, excellent, normy Dems getting way more aggressive. It's all

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Speaker 2: about the vibes.

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Speaker 7: Virginia, Well, it's also an example of what what you

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Speaker 7: what you just said win some sears.

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Speaker 1: She seems like a dream candidate. I hope she just

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Speaker 1: runs and runs and runs and runs.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean the Republicans they seem to be going back

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Speaker 7: and forth between thinking they can win Virginia and not.

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Speaker 6: And the debate.

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Speaker 7: There was also a debate there where Republicans said that

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Speaker 7: hiring gay people was not a form of discrimination. So

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Speaker 7: that's the sort of headline, we're getting out of the

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Speaker 7: governor's rate there. Obviously, it's all happening under the shadow

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Speaker 7: of the shutdown of DOSEE in the fall. In the

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Speaker 7: spring in a state where federal workers obviously are very effected,

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Speaker 7: they would in high numbers. So that's sort of the

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Speaker 7: context in Virginia, you know, as a quick reminder of

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Speaker 7: for people, the Democrats winning the governor's race in Virginia

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Speaker 7: would give them control perhaps of the whole state government,

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Speaker 7: which they actually haven't had very much in the course

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Speaker 7: of the last forty fifty years. They've only had it

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Speaker 7: a couple of years. So there's a lot to do

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Speaker 7: there for Democrats if they gain control.

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Speaker 1: And also more importantly win some Seers is incredible and insane,

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Speaker 1: and the stuff she says is amazing and cinematic, and

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Speaker 1: she is like a candidate out of a satire.

659
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Speaker 6: Per running mate Josh S.

660
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Speaker 7: Reid, He's fa facing a Democrat who's a Muslim candidate,

661
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Speaker 7: and the taxi is starting to wait. In the past

662
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Speaker 7: few days have started to be pretty openly islamophophobicons cases,

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Speaker 7: So that's also the race to watch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm shocked to hear the Republicans are being openly islamophobic. Shocked,

665
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Speaker 1: I tell you shocked. That is not completely the vibe

666
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Speaker 1: that they do. So let's talk through Pennsylvania Supreme Court

667
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Speaker 1: racist because these are a big one and we just

668
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Speaker 1: don't see a lot of information about those.

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Speaker 7: Like for the sake of federal politics, national politics, that

670
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Speaker 7: might be the most important because we're talking about the

671
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Speaker 7: swing state of Pennsylvania. We're talking about the state Supreme

672
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Speaker 7: Court that has had a lot to do on election

673
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Speaker 7: line in the past few years and we'll probably have

674
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Speaker 7: it again in the future. And the basic situation is

675
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Speaker 7: a little it's a little complicated, but the basic situation

676
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Speaker 7: is Democrats have a five to two majority on this court,

677
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Speaker 7: very hard earned for them.

678
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Speaker 6: It was very they want to have to.

679
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Speaker 7: Win a lot of expensive elections a while back in

680
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Speaker 7: twenty fifteen and now three Democrats are on the ballot

681
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Speaker 7: in what's called a retention election, so voters basically say

682
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Speaker 7: yes or no, do we want to retain them, we

683
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Speaker 7: find a new opponent. Usually these really do not catch

684
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Speaker 7: much fire, much heat. Usually they really use what's called

685
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Speaker 7: retention election. But this yeo, Republicans are spending a lot

686
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Speaker 7: of money. They're trying to mount a campaign to get

687
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Speaker 7: voters to out these three Democrats, which would effectively cut

688
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 7: the five two majority into a too too tigh Then

689
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Speaker 7: it gets complicated, but basically what the stake is whether

690
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Speaker 7: Democrats keep the majority on the on the court after

691
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Speaker 7: November and uh and so you know, for obvious reasons,

692
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Speaker 7: that's the major one to watch this fall.

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Speaker 2: What else do sheriffs?

694
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Speaker 6: First?

695
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Speaker 2: Where are they up? What do these elections look like,

696
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Speaker 2: and what is the tension?

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Speaker 7: Sheriff elections are maybe sort of under radar. People might

698
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Speaker 7: not entirely know why to care about them. You know,

699
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Speaker 7: there's a few reasons they really You run things like

700
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Speaker 7: jail conditions, which across the US are radio crisis or

701
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Speaker 7: human rights crisis.

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Speaker 2: Human rights how quaint?

703
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Speaker 7: Yes, go on, Yeah, there's a catastrophe is happening where

704
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 7: people just are a lot locked in and die within

705
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Speaker 7: a day all over the country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, including in New York.

707
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Speaker 7: Including in New York, including in a lot of blue places,

708
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Speaker 7: and obviously around the country.

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Speaker 6: But the issue that I think people might gravitate.

710
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Speaker 7: Mo most around right now and might make sheriffs a

711
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 7: little more interesting national politics is immigration. Because sheriffs are

712
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Speaker 7: really I mean, have been in the past, but are

713
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 7: really right now also stepping up as relays of ICE

714
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Speaker 7: as crucial connections of Trump's machine to rest immigrants detain immigrants.

715
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Speaker 7: That can mean literally going out in the community and

716
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Speaker 7: arresting people. It can also mean giving space to ICE

717
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Speaker 7: in the local jails because ICE needs space.

718
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Speaker 6: That's really pretty much what ICE needs.

719
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Speaker 7: And so over Trump one point zero in the twenty tens,

720
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Speaker 7: sheriff races really got a lot more attention and a

721
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Speaker 7: lot of candidates who said no, we're not gonna collaborate

722
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Speaker 7: with ICE were winning elections, especially in a lot of

723
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Speaker 7: blue areas that were like this, This stuff isn't usually

724
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Speaker 7: being paid attention to. So a lot of blue areas

725
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Speaker 7: had sheriffs that were very and that was sort of changing.

726
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Speaker 7: So this year there's a few places like that. For instance,

727
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Speaker 7: I'll just name one in Bucks County in Pennsylvania, which

728
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 7: is outside Philly. It's actually quite a large suburb. There's

729
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Speaker 7: a Republican sheriff who just signed the contract with ICE.

730
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Speaker 7: Democrats are against the contract. I mean, that's pretty much

731
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Speaker 7: the stake where the sheriffs have do authority to do that.

732
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Speaker 7: But Mally, I just want to say what the bigger

733
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 7: story on sheriff this year is that Democrats are not

734
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Speaker 7: running in places where they could win.

735
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Speaker 6: They're not running anyone.

736
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Speaker 7: So in Virginia both reported on a bunch of places

737
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Speaker 7: where there's just no Democrat running.

738
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Speaker 6: In a swing area.

739
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Speaker 7: So I think that that is also a story where

740
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Speaker 7: if you care about these issues, the first step is

741
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Speaker 7: whether someone is going to run for the office that

742
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Speaker 7: is going to decide them.

743
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Speaker 2: Why not?

744
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Speaker 6: Well, two, I mean two reasons.

745
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Speaker 7: One, sheriff are usually more conservative profession and you usually

746
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 7: people who with law enforcement background runs, so that's not

747
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 7: always necessary. In Virginia, for instance, it is not you

748
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Speaker 7: don't have to have alaw enforcement background round for sheriff. Well,

749
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Speaker 7: I mean the second is a boring answer, but people

750
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Speaker 7: don't pay attention in that place in Virginia, I was

751
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 7: saying when we started to ask questions where we're an

752
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Speaker 7: article on Chesapeake, Virginia.

753
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Speaker 6: Which is pretty much a fifty to fifty place at.

754
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Speaker 7: The federal elections, the county party was not there, weren't answers,

755
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Speaker 7: It was not on the radar of oh, this sheriff

756
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 7: just ran, just signed an ice contract.

757
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Speaker 6: Is that relevant to whether we should run In fact,

758
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Speaker 6: the sheriff the.

759
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Speaker 7: Mecratic Party, I believe, told my colleague wrote the story,

760
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 7: Alex Bernez, that he wasn't aware of the contract. So

761
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Speaker 7: that just gives you an idea what's going on and

762
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 7: why we need to pay attention to what's going on

763
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Speaker 7: at Scharf's department other offices.

764
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about school boards. It's a little bit

765
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Speaker 2: less hot, right because there was so much like COVID

766
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Speaker 2: stuff where it was like, they have to go back

767
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Speaker 2: to school, we have to you know, stop the teachers' union,

768
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Speaker 2: we have to ban books. I mean, I guess Moms

769
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Speaker 2: for Liberty is still out.

770
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Speaker 6: There, right, Mum's Little brit is still out there.

771
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Speaker 7: And I think what's relevant this year is that some

772
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Speaker 7: school boards that were won by Mom's oliber Day or

773
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Speaker 7: Conservative in twenty twenty one at the height of the

774
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Speaker 7: COVID attention and the school board I mean also Republicans

775
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 7: were really trying to push this education narrative in twenty

776
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Speaker 7: twenty one, in the early year, the first year of Biden.

777
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Speaker 7: Some of these school boards are now up for election

778
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Speaker 7: or the conservative majorities are up progress.

779
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Speaker 1: Who are you know, are people not happy with their

780
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: conservative majorities.

781
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Speaker 7: That's a great question. What we've seen this year actually

782
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Speaker 7: is an election that have happened already. Conservatives have tofered

783
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Speaker 7: big losses, including in Texas in the spring where Conservatives

784
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Speaker 7: lost a lot of seats and school boards that were

785
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Speaker 7: up and throughout a lot of school boards in North Texas.

786
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Speaker 7: And there's more tests now we're looking at places in Pennsylvania,

787
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 7: Texas again, Colorado. And you know these are school boards

788
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Speaker 7: that have done I mean, you know people have seen

789
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Speaker 7: the headlines, bands of books, policies around trans students and

790
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Speaker 7: you know, supposedly banning DII or critical race theory teachings

791
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Speaker 7: and in school So those are the really that the

792
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Speaker 7: policies that they put forward.

793
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Speaker 6: And now some some of these majorities are on the

794
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Speaker 6: line again.

795
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that makes sense.

796
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Speaker 1: Are there a lot of Democrats running for these school

797
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Speaker 1: board seats? Like what does it look like?

798
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Speaker 6: Well, no, it's really it's really interesting to see that.

799
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Speaker 7: I think one of the stories in twenty twenty one

800
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Speaker 7: was that Consertos just sprang up, formed slates, ran together,

801
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Speaker 7: really turned out their supporters and won a lot of

802
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 7: places that maybe they wouldn't have won if they had

803
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Speaker 7: been opposition or that had been organized opposition. That's really

804
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Speaker 7: changed in the past couple of years twenty three to three,

805
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Speaker 7: twenty twenty five, where it's been super interesting because these

806
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 7: are not necessary places that spaces where there's like organized

807
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 7: politics on the left or on the center, whatever. The

808
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 7: really depends on the place. As to what we're talking

809
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Speaker 7: about right right now, there are slates of candidates where

810
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Speaker 7: really running against the conservative agenda for school board parents Democrats. However,

811
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Speaker 7: they described themselves in different places which didn't exist a

812
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Speaker 7: few years ago.

813
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Speaker 2: I think, yes, okay, that's where I was going.

814
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I don't think it.

815
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Speaker 1: Did.

816
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Speaker 7: I think this idea like there is a conservative agenda

817
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Speaker 7: out there and defeated at the school board level. We

818
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Speaker 7: need to form a slate, we need to like run together,

819
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 7: we need to have support, etcetera. That I think is

820
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Speaker 7: something that we've seen twenty twenty five, twenty twenty four,

821
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Speaker 7: but really were not seeing in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about the other sort of anonymous dogcatchers

823
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Speaker 1: and garbage collector rather soon I know. Well, that's why

824
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Speaker 1: I'm asking you. Are you seeing democratic energy?

825
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Speaker 2: Are you not?

826
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Speaker 6: I talk a.

827
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Speaker 1: Lot to Amanda Littman from run for Something, and she

828
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Speaker 1: says her numbers are insane. So like, if those numbers

829
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Speaker 1: are insane, you should be seeing them certainly in some

830
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Speaker 1: of those.

831
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Speaker 7: I talked about the inverse on sheriffs. I mean, sheriffs

832
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Speaker 7: are their own little category. Like I was saying, Virginia,

833
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Speaker 7: you mass in headlines that in Virginia. Also, Democrats are

834
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Speaker 7: very proud that for the first time in a while,

835
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Speaker 7: they're running a candid in every state house district this year,

836
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Speaker 7: you know. So we were seeing in terms of like

837
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Speaker 7: state House and those offices that are more more straightforwardly partisan,

838
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Speaker 7: we're seeing a lot of energy a thing on the

839
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Speaker 7: Democratic side. We're also seeing that on oral elections or

840
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Speaker 7: city council elections.

841
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Speaker 6: I think.

842
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Speaker 7: So that often is in places where Democrat Republican is

843
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 7: not necessarily the dynamic. But I mean, just a few

844
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Speaker 7: days ago, Democrats flipped actually the mayor's office in Fairbanks

845
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Speaker 7: in Alaska. Yes, so that's an example.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Alaska, I think is super important for any

847
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: number of reasons. But I want you to explain what

848
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Speaker 1: happened there in Alaska.

849
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Speaker 7: Right, right, So Alaska is one of the states that

850
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Speaker 7: hold its elections in October when they can rather remember

851
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Speaker 7: one does why not hold election anytime and not but

852
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Speaker 7: they hold elections in October, and they had elections for

853
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Speaker 7: actually lots of elections, but the one I was watching

854
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 7: was the mayor's race in Fairbanks, which is actually the

855
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 7: second biggest city in Alaska, and there was a conservative

856
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 7: Republican an office there was running for a second term.

857
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Speaker 7: But one of the things to know about him is

858
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Speaker 7: a few months ago he had he drew a condemnation

859
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Speaker 7: for comments that made about natives in Alaska, associating them

860
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Speaker 7: with crime, and sort of apologized so that that that

861
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 7: that's the sort of personality we're talking about. And he

862
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Speaker 7: lost by roughly ten points to a Democrat in Fairbanks.

863
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Speaker 7: I was really paying attention to that, but I saw

864
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Speaker 7: in the Alaska media over the past few days that

865
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Speaker 7: progressive can Is actually apparently won all sorts of offices

866
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Speaker 7: in the region of Fairbanks, including for school board. There's

867
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Speaker 7: another example of appairly in near sweep by progressives up

868
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Speaker 7: and down the ballot in Fairbanks. And we I mean,

869
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Speaker 7: you know, in there's a lot of elections all around

870
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Speaker 7: the country in a month, and mean is problem that

871
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Speaker 7: wherever anyone is sitting, there is some there's something close,

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Speaker 7: whether it's for mayor, city council, prosecutor election, judge.

873
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Speaker 4: What.

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Speaker 6: There's so much and you know, we're.

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Speaker 7: Seeing a lot of energy in places like Seattle, Minneapolis,

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00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 7: there's there's pretty much the entirety of the city government

877
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Speaker 7: is on the line. So there's a lot of important

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Speaker 7: elections happening.

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Speaker 2: I think that's so interesting about Alaska being because you know,

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Speaker 2: they say, so goes Fairbanks, so goes the nation, and.

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Speaker 7: Alaska could be at the center of things in twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty six because there's a Senate race and the governor's race.

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Speaker 7: But I think some national Democrats are hoping to recruit

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Speaker 7: Mary Peltola. I think they're hoping to recruit her to

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Speaker 7: run for Senate. She might run for governor. I mean,

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Speaker 7: but it's also been the kind of state where Democrats

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Speaker 7: hope that they can make in roads and we'll see

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Speaker 7: how they got and not to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of money been spent in Alaska. Actually

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Speaker 1: not a lot of money, but a lot of dreams comparatively, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, is there anything else that's coming up that

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Speaker 1: we just should know about?

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Speaker 7: Well, the big elections we haven't talked about to come

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Speaker 7: to mind. At the state level, really yea, please real home.

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Speaker 7: The big ones, I mean, the obvious one is Prop

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Speaker 7: fifty in California, which is the ballot measure that Gavin

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Speaker 7: Newson push that would respond to Texas and Jerry Mander California.

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Speaker 2: The polling on that looks good.

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Speaker 7: The polling on that has the Yes leading by about

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Speaker 7: ten to twenty, maybe more closer to twenty. It was

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Speaker 7: I think a gamble by a newsim because it was

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Speaker 7: very young, There wasn't really a precedent for a measure

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Speaker 7: like this, very unclear what was going to happen, still

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Speaker 7: so unclear of what we'll see in the month. And

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Speaker 7: then the other one I want to highlight is one

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Speaker 7: that really isn't getting a lot of attention is Georgia

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Speaker 7: has a couple of statewide offices on the ballot for

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Speaker 7: What's it's energy Commission, It's it's the commission that decides

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Speaker 7: it's at the state level, a commission that decides electricity prices,

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Speaker 7: commission that decides renewable energy? Do you use of fossil

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Speaker 7: fuels in the state. And Democrats haven't won a statewide

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Speaker 7: office other than federal races. We all know jo Biden one,

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Speaker 7: we all know that Raphael Warnack and ass Off one.

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Speaker 7: But at the state level, Democrats have not managed to

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Speaker 7: make inroads and did they have two opportunities this fall

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Speaker 7: to defeat Republican incumbents and get on the spoort, which

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Speaker 7: I think is important in and of itself for the

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Speaker 7: politics of the board, but also as the kind of

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Speaker 7: a test to where or where the state's at. It's

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Speaker 7: very unusual to have Georgia have elections and an off

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Speaker 7: feel like this.

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Speaker 6: Who knows what's going to turn out two votes? Those

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Speaker 6: are twoe that I think are very interesting to watch.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Taniel.

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Speaker 6: I hope you'll come back, of course, whenever no more infectly.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon Somali A.

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Speaker 3: Federal judges imposed new limits on ice operations in Illinois

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Speaker 3: since they haven't even been respecting that people are journalists

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Speaker 3: and they've been basically acting with total lawlessness.

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Speaker 4: The footage is just astounding.

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Speaker 1: So it is fifty two page ruling Federal District Court.

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Cummings says the legal basis for ice tools for

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Speaker 1: maggy rest blank comhorans that are filled out by officers

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Speaker 1: in the field. That's not how any it is supposed

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Speaker 1: to work. By the way, I just want to point out,

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Speaker 1: like ICE is meant to be immigration customs enforcement, it

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Speaker 1: was after nine to eleven we did not have This

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Speaker 1: was like a sort of ad hoc thing put together,

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Speaker 1: and now it's just become Trump's paramilitary We are operating

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Speaker 1: so outside of how any of this is supposed to work.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's wild, it's just illegal,

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Speaker 1: Like none of this is legal. All of this is

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Speaker 1: like weird emergency powers from nine to eleven. Real example

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Speaker 1: of why you need to, like, once an emergency is over,

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Speaker 1: make sure that all these emergency powers are revoked. This

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Speaker 1: is like a really great example of how not to

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Speaker 1: do any of this. We got here by I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a really great episode of this show that I

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Speaker 1: love called five to four, which is this really smart

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Speaker 1: legal podcast we've had them on here. They talk about

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Speaker 1: how it's just the way that authoritarians are able to

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Speaker 1: rise in a country with laws like this is when

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Speaker 1: they are able to sort of seize on these emergency powers.

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Speaker 1: Which is why I mean, I know our Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: is completely in the tank for Trump, but if they

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Speaker 1: ever did push back on this.

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Speaker 2: It would be good.

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