WEBVTT - He's Standing Right Here (S2 E22, "I Can't Get Started") 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:18.440 I am all in. I am all in with Scott 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:23.000 Patterson and I heart radio podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:27.600 Amy Sugarman, Riley Pellucist. Danielle's iPhones is joining us as well. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.240 Hello Danielle's iPhone? Who's having you know? We're doing the 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:34.680 best we can here, guys, How are you good to 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:38.920 see you? What an episode? Good? Lord? Man? Do I 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.920 want to move to Connecticut? That was an episode? That 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.479 was an episode. I cannot wait to hear what you 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.000 think of it. Well, first, right off the bat, I 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:53.880 was down in Atlanta at the Pandemic Dead convention, which 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.440 was all um walking dead people. For some reason, they 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.880 invited me. I know the promoter, and he's a great guy, 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.920 and he invited me down in. Yanique was there too 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.840 because we share an agent, and Yannick and I had 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:10.480 a blast. We just he's a fun guy. And did 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:14.080 you tell him how much you just love his lines? Oh? God? 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.320 And especially I I gotta tell you, my favorite all 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.240 time Yanique scene and maybe the my favorite scene in 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:24.360 the whole two seasons is that scene of him I'm 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:29.640 going home. I mean it was. It was the most 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:34.880 beautifully acted, beautifully timed comedic scene he set himself up 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.200 so beautifully to just nail her at the end of 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.560 that scene. That was a wonderful suggestion. How about I 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:47.360 leave this best? Yeah? Yeah, I think it was a 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.000 lot of people's best episode. And I think, you know, 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.840 Amy wrote the episode along with Jon Stevens, who was 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.040 a writer's room favorite, and she directed the episode, so 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.800 it had that special something to it where it was 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.800 just there was it was elevated, and I think the 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.560 I don't know, just everything about it was better. The 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.480 acting was better, the lighting was better. It was just 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.000 didn't miss one It didn't miss a beat, Like every 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:17.000 single moment was perfect. Yeah, so let's get into it, 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.520 um so tell us your overall of what you thought. Well, Riley, 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.520 why don't you do a little synopsis and bring us 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.720 in so everybody knows what what in the heck we're 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:33.280 talking about. Well, let's do it. Happy finale. This is two. Yeah, 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.639 it's called I Can't Get Started. Air date two thousand two. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.079 It's the season two finale. In Suki and Jackson's wedding day, 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.600 Chris comes into town and reveals he and Sherry are 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.240 taking time apart Eke. Meanwhile, he and Lorelai ag reconnect 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:54.680 on an intimate level, and it doesn't. Are you going 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:59.960 to put a little spin in there? No? Parents could 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.839 Vince's Rory to run as vice president, which could lead 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.040 to a summer away in Washington, d C. And Jess 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.120 convinces Luke to let him stay in Stars Hall of 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.080 for good and Rory ends up kissing him by the 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.960 hand while she is still indeed, I mean, oh my god, 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.800 can we start with that or should we start with 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.760 oi with the poodles already? I think we should start 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.359 with well, was what was the cold opening? What was 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.320 the cold open? It wasn't that. It wasn't you mean 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.520 when when when the episode opened, It opens with all 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:31.160 the flowers and moral and Rory and Michelle are like 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:35.640 exhausted sink. He's listening to sort of like all the 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:41.160 wrongs wedding songs. We're listening to Ella Fitzgerald. That was Yeah, 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.040 that was a wonderful opening. By the way. That was 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.680 unexpected because it was lower energy and it was a 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:47.960 little sleepy, but it was cool. It was really cool, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:52.880 really set the tone. Yeah, so I enjoyed that opening. Uh, 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.760 and Michelle was in it too, So he's a game 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.600 the whole well, he, I gotta tell you this, this 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.760 episode unique really and it's not your nick. It's unique 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:08.080 like unique, not your nick like tonic um. And he 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.680 reminded me of this over the weekend we were together 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.480 in Atlanta at that thing. So um anyway, wait sidebar 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.200 really fast? Were there Gilmore Girls fans at a Walking 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.479 Dead like convention? Uh? So this is the thing that 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.320 shocks promoters of these because most of these conventions are 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:30.120 sci fi or Marvel comics or or horror or Walking 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.359 Dead or something like that. Um My agent has to 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.600 convince these promoters, like listen, he does really well at 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:41.400 these conventions because the Gilmore fans come out to these things, 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.640 stand in lines, uh to meet to meet Scott. And 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.200 it happens every single time I do a convention, and 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.320 it's it's I think, pretty much on precedented on the 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:57.479 convention circuit that somebody from a non sci fi show 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:02.400 and like this, this nice little show is getting convention 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.560 traffic because these you know, the Gilmore fans are not 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:07.960 you know, I gotta tell you know what I'm learning. 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:13.640 People love Saw, they love Walking Dead. They also watch 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.520 Gilmore Girls. They're what they're doing it all. It's not 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.280 like one of the other anymore. Two of my top 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.640 shows of all time are Gilmore Girls and Walking Dead. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.159 Like it makes sense. Yeah, I mean, they don't discriminate, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.520 and they come out in droves and they are delightful 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.080 and it's so great to meet them. I don't want 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.800 to be a totally crazy person right now, but I'm 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.880 going to say something nuts. The reason I love Gilmore 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.760 Girls is almost the same reason I love Walking Dead 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:49.480 because of the relationships of these characters that aren't a 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:53.760 family that became a family. Like I could literally say, like, 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.839 oh wow, there are a lot of similarities in the 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.760 reasons why I love both shows. Yeah, it's those those 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:07.240 it's those inner connections between the cast, you know. Yeah. Um, 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.039 but they're wonderful and they're just so happy to be 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.000 there and meet me and tell me about the show 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:14.920 and what it did for them, and it's it's it's 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:20.600 thet Yeah they all do. Oh they all love the podcast. Yeah, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.159 they love the podcast. And if they're not aware of it, 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:27.280 I educate them on the spot the nicest possible way, 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.159 and they're delighted. They'll go, oh my god, I have 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:30.880 to catch up. And I said, yeah, we're eighty two 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.720 episodes and you go, oh my god, I gotta I 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:38.080 gotta listening. I said, yeah, oh, it's wonderful. It's just wonderful. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.919 And um, you know I'm doing some more, uh in July. 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.640 I'm doing another one in June. So anyway, they're fun. 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:48.640 There are a lot of fun and the Gilmour fans 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.120 come out and big numbers, they really do, so it's 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:55.600 it's a real party. Um, it's fun. Anyway. So yeah, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.960 the oil with the poodles uh seen to became like 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:03.680 a classic one. And there it was. Yeah, there was 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.560 the construction of the line right there in front of us, 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.559 Rory and and and Laura. I built that classic line 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.760 right in front of our eyes. And with the typical 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:19.080 Emily Laurea la will you please stop talking? So good? 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:23.240 But I finally got Danielle. Danielle, did you love this episode? 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:29.760 I loved it so much. I'm still thinking about it, 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.880 like and I watched it, you know, like I'm just 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.640 like it's still on my mind. I love this episode 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:40.600 so much. It was such a good finale, so good. Yeah, 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:42.960 it felt like a finale. It felt like a perfect 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:47.240 warm send off. But we're coming back. It's like it's 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.400 it really did have a nice It was unlike any 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.160 other episode, and especially especially well let's not get ahead 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:59.880 of ourselves, but with two insane cliffhangers, got so much drama. 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.600 Like imagine back in two thousand whatever, what was it, 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:08.440 two thousand to two thousand three. Now that's your left 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.000 with that in May, and you're like, are you joking me? 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.760 I have to wait till September to figure out what happens. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.320 Like these days, these kids have the benefit of like, oh, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.720 click next on Netflix. People had to wait for months 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.640 to figure out what was going to happen. Yeah, and 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.440 guess what, that builds an audience better than how they 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.320 do it now. I think, you know, maybe I'm wrong, 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:35.280 but um, you know streaming we'll all right. So so 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.240 I I agreed with I don't know how you guys felt, 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.280 but I agreed with Emily that that was a pity 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:45.360 invite and to the wedding, and I'm glad that she 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:50.240 pointed that out so clearly. To Laurela, what do you 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:54.800 guys think? Totally agree a pity wedding invite is not 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.440 always the worst thing in the world, though, you know, 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.760 you get free drinks, free food, free dancing music, all 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.280 that stuff, and just by the looks of it, that 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:08.599 wedding looked like the last like yeah, but bet you 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.200 got Kirk singing at the piano. I'm like, this is 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.000 too good. I want to be there. Did you pity 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:18.680 invite anybody to either of your weddings, Daniellen Scott? Because 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.920 I didn't, but I was definitely a pity invite to 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.000 one of my now best friend's weddings. Like I was like, 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.600 imagine if I if you didn't pity invite me to 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.400 your wedding, it's like a joke and we're best friends now, Scott, 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.880 did you throw any last minute pity invite? No, no, no, 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.280 I I know I wouldn't do that to people because 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.520 they know because it's been It's happened to me a 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.920 few times, and it's it's not a good failing, but 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.520 well it's so funny. We so we do these award 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.920 shows and we had to book some last minute presenters, 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.240 and I literally use the analogy of like this is 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.640 like the pity invite to a wedding, like these people 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.360 know that we didn't suddenly just like I can't wait 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.679 to have you present one day before or the show, Like, yeah, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.199 but that's just the that's a business. You know, in 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.480 a business sometimes has glitches and you've got to fix them, 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.199 and you know that it's just that these are personal. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.360 This is in her personal stuff. This isn't like you're 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:16.640 putting on it show. Emily called it out and then 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.800 Richard comes in for dinner and he's like, I see, like, 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.120 what's the worst pity and fight that you've all received? 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.679 Can you remember? Has it happened to you? I'm sure 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:32.360 yes it happened. Like I said, it happened to me, 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:36.839 but it turned out great, so I no, no um, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.640 no bitterness on my end. I think you get it 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.000 when you're like find out about a party that you 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:44.920 weren't invited to and then the person knows and they're like, 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.760 oh you can come, and you're just like all things 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.040 can I Like, I was sitting next to a group 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:51.679 of girls and they were talking about like a bachelorette 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.040 party and I was at the bridal shower and one 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:55.319 of the girls was like, would you do this with this? 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.240 And she looks at me and she was you can 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:05.240 come if you want, Like it's okay, thank you. These 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.439 days as I'm so old though, I hope to not 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.640 be invited. Is anyone else experiencing that? We're like, please 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.800 don't invite me totally, Please don't make me say no please? 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:20.000 Um alright, So moving so moving into that, it's yeah, 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:24.079 I know it's it's a very awkward position to be in. Um. 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:29.160 So now let's move into Luke's. Uh yeah, Laurel, And 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.920 it looks like Dean and and Rory are are happy. 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.760 Is two p's in a pod and a very memorable scene, 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.800 so funny, do you do you like your breakfast? Oh? 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.080 Do you do like? And he's ill on a trade 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.959 like it was. That's a very cute, sort of iconic 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:51.479 Gilmore moment. So and Laurel I pacing in the background 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.160 round was scared to come in the diner waiting for 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.840 because you know, the the dust up with Luke is 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.200 not the dust is not settled yet. I guess now, 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:05.000 what did you think he has forgiven her already? I 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.920 don't know. I haven't thought about that, should he? I 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:09.920 don't know? He is who he is, right, he just 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.199 now he's back in his shell a little bit. He's 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:20.120 turtling a little bit, Yeah, because he just yeah, it's like, gosh, man, 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:24.040 that's that's a hard listen. If you're really involved with 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.440 somebody and you have a I mean, if you're you know, 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.400 having a relation, real full blown relationous somebody and you 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.880 have a blowout fight, it's easy to forgive because then 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.040 there's some recourse. You know what to do, you know 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.520 how to make up, and the makeup part is really 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:40.360 good and it makes you forget about the fight. What's 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.560 his recourse? How do they make up? They're not intimate, 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:45.920 you know, I mean they are in a way, but 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:50.040 there it's just that it's such a slight to him 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.120 because he's been there for her. He's been there for her, 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.440 he's been been a good guy. Maybe you know he's 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.760 not so so when you were watching it, so she 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:59.880 you know, she's pacing back and forth. She comes in 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.680 and Brandy and leave and she goes to the counter 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.120 and she really does say she's sorry. She really does, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.679 and he still wasn't having it. Did you have a 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.880 moment where you're like, oh, forgive her and let's move on, 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.920 or it's almost like she was demanding that that he 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.679 moved on instead of just sort of kind of vibing 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.040 with him a little bit. And it's like she didn't 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.560 like what she was getting right away, and she got 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.160 I don't know, I don't know if she got hostile, 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.040 but she got disappointed and got defensive and got the 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.760 heck out of there. I really thought it was powerful 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.400 when so I wrote my notes, Ay, awesome scene, Like 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.080 I loved that moment between the two of them, and 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.640 she says, I want Luke back, and you say, he's 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:45.120 standing right here and she says, no, he's not. Well 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.080 she said it under his breath so he could hear it, right. Yeah, 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.240 it was big. It was a big moment. I wrote 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.680 down those lines too. Yeah. But it opened the door 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.839 for all that Christopher stuff that followed, right, So you 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.960 gotta you gotta propel her into that the possibility of 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.960 all that happening. And that's exactly what that scene. So, 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:09.520 I mean, that scene served its functions. So it was 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.600 a necessary scene. But I liked it. I did. I 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.000 liked it, and I thought you both were great. And 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.360 you know, it's so interesting. You make a cough in it, 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:25.040 like you had an entire line of a cough, and 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:29.080 it was like, oh wow, I threw that in. I 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.160 threw that. It was very good. It's the one time 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.720 I think I got something in that wasn't scripted. It was, 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.400 and then somebody's going to produce a script sing said 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:43.880 Luke coughs. But I think I threw it in. Was 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:48.600 one of the most important scenes in the episode. Um yeah, 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.240 I guess as far as those two are concerned, Yeah, 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.480 it was. It was heavy, heavyweight episode because it's hard 0:14:55.560 --> 0:15:00.760 to be you know, that stoic and that um you 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.960 know Gibraltar, like in the face of somebody who's trying 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.600 to he wasn't ready and that we know deep down 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.920 he loves. So it's like, I'm sure there's a part 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.120 of Luke that wanted to forgive and and have his 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:18.440 friend back. Listen, man, he's a blue collar guy. You 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.120 don't talk to blue collar that way, you know what 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.880 I mean, don't talk to me that way. I'm a worker. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.760 You know, I get up every morning. I do for you. 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.640 I didn't you know, there's I'll take a lot of crap, 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.800 but don't don't go over the top like that. You 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:39.280 know he's gone. And he also doesn't like yelling like that, 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.400 Like not that she was screaming, but but Luke as 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:46.200 a person doesn't like a fight like that. Oh, he's 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.160 a sensitive guy, right, He's got a heart, he's he's 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.760 he's got a shell on and and he you know, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.280 he didn't I don't think he deserved that. And he 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.280 thinks he didn't deserve that. And because he's never raised 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:02.280 his voice at Jeff despite whatever just does, that's not 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:09.840 his way. So for when when lore like just lost it, rightfully, 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:17.360 so he was ill prepared for that. What are you 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.000 gonna do? That's life? You know. Do you think there 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.640 was too much emotion coming at him? So what we're 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.440 going back few episodes to the fight. Do you think 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:30.840 because she was so overcome and emotional and she did 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.840 raise her voice and she's you know, yes, she's blaming 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.640 him for something he's totally not his fault. Is that 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:44.000 too much for Luke? I'm gonna risk saying sounding um, 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:48.760 I'll just say it. I think what he heard in 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.200 her voice and in that anger was a lot of 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.440 I think he felt like less of a man because 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:01.080 and he disappointed himself. If he let her down that 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:06.280 to that degree, Um, then he's maybe thinking a little 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.159 bit less of himself. So he's he's maybe in a 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.240 little depressed situation. I don't think it's so much, he's 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.120 hating on her, but he's got to deal with how 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.840 he feels about himself. I think that's totally I also 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.280 think there was like a realization that he always thinks 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.120 about Laura Lai and LORELEI wasn't thinking about how Luke 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.760 was feeling in that situation. So I think he was 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.520 kind of like, oh, wait, maybe this is only one sided, 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:38.760 Oh Danielle, right, but also let's add another layer. Maybe 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:42.520 he's feeling a little less like, you know, the man 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.760 who will should step up and claim his love and 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:51.560 you know, really let her know and really go out 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.919 on a limb. And he just I don't know. I 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.320 just think he feels very vulnerable and gutless and he's 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.679 just gonna put that shell of armor on and and 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.560 just sort of keep her at a distance. Now is 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.680 a perfect description. He doesn't know how to deal with it, 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.800 and I think he's disappointed in himself that he hasn't 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:15.159 made a stronger move to, you know, get that relationship 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.520 off the ground. Yeah, he he could hear it in 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.639 her voice. Maybe he heard some of that too, like 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.879 that rage was like, Hey, stupid, I'm here, I'm waiting, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.320 let's go and he's not. He hasn't done it, so 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.359 that of course he's going to get blasted like that. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:35.600 You know what's interesting that fights really is lingering. And 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.679 I think maybe the diner scene is even more powerful 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.840 because the writers, you know, in in in our world 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.560 it's real to us. They didn't just tie it up 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:48.360 in a bow and be like, Okay, the fight's over, 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.760 We're good now. It's like they really are letting it linger, 0:18:51.960 --> 0:19:00.600 which made it that much more significant. Yeah, okay, back 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.119 to it, we're going in order. Let's talk about Paris 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:07.440 running for president. Oh interesting, Well, you know I found her. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:14.040 I mean she was appropriately um grading m uh with 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:20.520 a t, not with a day. And that's her role 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.520 because and I thought it was a great shot. The camera. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.920 It was a stead camera Steve, This Steve from Steadicam 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.439 doing his great work and walking up that aisle and 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.120 around her and then back down at the stairs. Again, 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.919 that's a tough shot to make. That's a very heavy 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.199 camera and uh, you know, he's got to be careful 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.360 with the steps. He was a big, strong guy, nicest 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:45.199 guy stead Camp Steve and uh, and uh you know 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.920 she look the contrast between that Rory and Paris has 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:51.960 to be you know, it has to be black and white. 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:54.159 You know, it has to be good versus evil. It 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:58.720 has to be hateable versus likable. You know, it makes 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.320 it work, makes it fly. Um, I don't know. Rory 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.480 just got roped into something. Man, she just got manipulated, right, 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:09.119 Oh my god. Yes, I have Paris equals manipulator on 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.199 my notes because literally she totally dragged her in with 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.600 that Harvard. Um. It was a smart for Paris to 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.000 say it. I was like, oh, well done, Paris, you 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.960 got got her. Yeah, but she had me convinced of 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:23.760 the hundreds of thousands who apply you, you know, how 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.119 are you going to differentiate yourself? And that's a good point. 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.800 And Rory was like, all right, I'll do it. Wait, Riley, 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.159 there are two pop culture references that I have to 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.199 talk about in the recap. I know we're still going 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.879 to do pop culture. But when she said the damon 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:42.600 to my Affleck, I was like, oh, yes, Like that's 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:48.360 still so works twenty years later. I know she does 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.359 the Yen to my yang, the Joel to my Ethan, 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:56.000 the damon to my Affleck, Geller and Gilmore, and she 0:20:56.040 --> 0:21:01.040 really liked that alliteration. Yeah, yeah, it reminded me of 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.439 you a little bit. Amy. I was like, oh that's you, 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:07.080 like like the am I the Paris No, you like 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:12.160 like the like the you know, like, yeah, I love. 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.880 I also thought it was hilarious when Paris said it's 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:21.920 like you were dressed by birds right right right, Roy says, 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:23.399 I haven't been dressed in spirds since I was two 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:27.920 years old. I think that's what's that snow white or 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.600 that's what it reminded you. That was what I called 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.520 Danielle the other day. And I don't know if I 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.119 was like, I'm speaker and all I hear is like 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.359 birds chirping, and I'm like, are you in snow white 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:40.600 right now? Like what is happening at your house? And 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:45.679 that is dressed by birds? Like, oh my god. So 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.719 it's an interesting dilemma. She I thought that scene with 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:53.280 with Louise and Madeline was hysterical. You're polling really well 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:57.879 for competence and and what was the other category? But 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.800 likability your way down and they would prefer not to 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:03.840 vote for you. So lets you know what I want 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.160 to ask you, all three of you, because this goes 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:10.400 through my mind all the time. Those two are popular girls, 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:16.560 like not Paris Louise, and they're like popular and cool. 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.359 Why are they best friends with Paris? If Paris is 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.240 so unlikable and like everyone hates her, but those two 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:25.640 cool girls are friends with her? What do we make 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:32.280 of that? I never thought of that. Their followers they 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:36.960 probably want to get into Harvard too, right, they probably 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:41.000 have fathers or mothers who could buy them in by 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:45.240 their way in, and uh, they're just being smart. I mean, 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.680 Paris is obviously going to be a person either who 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.840 ends up in a lunatic asylum or she's going to 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:56.000 end up running the world, So why not to get 0:22:56.000 --> 0:23:00.440 good grades? And Paris is never appreciated of them? And 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:04.240 that like you have two really good friends that are 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:08.879 like out there pulling for you. Ye hundred and fifty 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.160 students they talked to that takes time asking all those 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:17.320 questions what is happening here? So anyway, I digress is 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:21.520 Paris like they're bulldozer, like there does their dirty work. 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:24.560 Or maybe she's been friends with them since fourth grade 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:29.080 and it's like and they probably feel sorry for because 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:33.480 they know her family situation. Right anyway, I get to 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.720 buy their friends for so long they can't like ditch 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:41.760 her right right right, so now, so now we're at 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:46.320 the doctor's office. Roy's getting your cast off. Christopher shows 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.000 up in his shirt. The shirt was wearing him. He 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:52.040 really wasn't wearing. I just I love every Christopher moment. 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.000 I know people disagree with me, but I think I 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.760 don't disagree with you. I love it too. I love 0:23:56.880 --> 0:24:00.520 him again. I'm gonna recuse myself from the Christopher's I 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:02.159 know I'm jumping ahead, but when he was in the 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:05.080 bedroom and that's white, what are your what are you doing? 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:06.280 What are you doing? What are you doing? What are 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:08.480 you doing? I'll get to it. We'll get to him. Huh, 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:12.719