1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie, 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: are you prepared for the end of the world, because, uh, 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: it's coming apparently according to some people. All Right, the 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: mind calendar, Yeah, there's the mind calendar thing that says, basically, 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: this December, the world's gonna end. Then we have, of course, 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: the rapture predictions that predictions that hold that the world 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: way will have actually ended by the time this publishes. 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: So I don't know if this will pub This may 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: publish in a post rapture world. Well, I guess you 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: haven't seen my bumper sticker over here that when the 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: rapture comes, this podcast booth will be evacuated. Okay, Yeah, 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: we's been hanging here for We won't be here because 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: because we can't. I can't do it by myself. I'm 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: sticking around. I've actually ordered a rapture proof suit on 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: over the internet. Um, it's like line with lead and 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: bubble wrap. Each bubble and the bubble wrap contains a 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 1: tiny occultist icon that helps protect my soul from leaving 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: my body in the case of the rapture. This way 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: I can stick around and document the events. Yeah, I 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: think that's probably gonna work, just in case. And if 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen, well then I just spent a lot 24 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: of money in a weird suit. Wouldn't be the first 25 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: You wouldn't be the first person either, Right. It turns 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: out that the end days have been a concept that 27 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: that predate Christ. Right, because we typically when we can 28 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: talk about end days or the rapture apocalypse, we usually 29 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: think about it being mired in religion. This concept. Yeah, 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty I mean, the whole Book of 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: Revelations thing and all, it's crazy imagery. I mean that 32 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: that is that's certainly into Western audiences, is the predominant idea. 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: Like I remember growing up and and I was when 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: my family lived up in Newfoundland, Canada. We had we 35 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 1: attended this small shirt I remember that the preacher talking 36 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: one day about like the end times we're gonna come. 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: There was going to be this huge war between the 38 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: forces of good and evil and we would be called 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: upon to fight in that war. And I remember being 40 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: really thrown back by that. And after such, I was 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: asking my Mom and Dad. I was like, like, is 42 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: that for real? Or we're gonna have to Am I 43 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: gonna have to battle in this? Am I going to 44 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: suit up? Or what? Yeah? That sounds it sounds kind 45 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: of awful. I'd rather not do that. And they were like, yeah, 46 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: don't worry about that. Where they like it's a metaphor No, 47 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: they were just kind of like, I don't worry about that. Yeah, 48 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna happen. Okay, So all right, obviously today 49 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: we're talking about apocalypse, the many apocalypses that have come 50 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: and gone and never actually occurred, right, and we're actually 51 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: going to talk to right right well who knows, who knows? 52 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: All the matrix were just like hooked up to some 53 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: sort of alien apocalypse right now. And we'll get into 54 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: some of these ideas too, because because in many cases 55 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: the apocalypse uh prediction doesn't come to pass, but that 56 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: doesn't mean people give up on that prediction. So we'll 57 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: get into exactly how that works on a cognitive level. Yep, 58 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: yep um. But we should also talk about the apocalypse. 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: It's not just in terms of okay, but this is 60 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: the religious thing that we think about, but also um 61 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: asteroids nuclear winters, um, you know, natural phenomena that happens, 62 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: and people will sit there and say, okay, this must 63 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: be a sign, right and this has been happening forever 64 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: since there have been humans right right there. There are 65 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: a number of different apocalyptic scenarios. You of course, have 66 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: the spiritual ones, like you said, they're cosmological one. Some 67 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: of which have a little more of validity than others, 68 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: like the idea of a meteor comment hitting the Earth 69 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: and causing extreme damage wiping out civilizations. Obviously that has 70 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: occurred before in the past, not within human history, but 71 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean nothing on the scale enough to wipe us 72 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: out as a species, but that is it's a possibility. 73 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: Unlike some of the other weirder things that are ideas 74 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: that have populated on the Internet, such as like planet 75 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: X colliding with the with Earth planetary alignment scenarios that 76 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: end up, you know, wiping everything off the face of 77 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: the planet. Things of that nature are a lot more 78 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: far fetched, but are at least based in uh, in 79 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: actual science at some level. You exaggerated uh. And then 80 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: and then there of course economic predictions. You don't have 81 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: to go far to tune into some economic doom and 82 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: gloom these days. And granted, economists predicting the future of 83 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: global economies is a far different kettle of fish than 84 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: um a guy in the street corner telling you about 85 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: when the demonic or UFO invasion is happening. But still 86 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: it's it's very much a prediction of things going really 87 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: really bad in a very catastrophic manner with dire consequences 88 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: that people will buy into with their fear. Well, and 89 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: I think that we can't help but look over our 90 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: shoulder and see what might be coming at us or 91 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: try to predict that. And I was just thinking about 92 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: the panel that I heard on Cryptography and the World Sciences. Well, 93 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, and uh, the guy who was retired, 94 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was c I A, but 95 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: he was sitting there saying, this is actually a really 96 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: big issue, the security issue online, because if certain people 97 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: wanted to, they could bring down the U. S. Economy 98 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: and they could basically like close down the grid, closed 99 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: down the economy, and we would have something like thirty 100 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: days where we could exist in a sort of peaceful 101 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: manner before all hell broke loose and civilization just sort 102 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: of collapse on itself. So you hear this, you know, 103 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: And it's not just this guy, it's just even someone 104 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: like say Stephen Hawking, right, who couldn't help but say, 105 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: you know, hey, I'm going to sound the alarm here. 106 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: Quit talking to the aliens. Um. Yeah, if there anything 107 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: like us, they're jerks, you know. They they're really into hierarchies, 108 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: um I and b um. You know, if they do exist, 109 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: they're probably much more complex than we are in advance. 110 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: So what will that lead to our doom? Yeah, Jeff 111 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: Bell Gold, him and Will Smith are not going to 112 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: be able to fly up there and just stick a 113 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: disk in the mothership to shut it all down. It's 114 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: gonna be a far different situation. Yeah. Technology has has 115 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: played a partner a number of predictions. There's, of course, 116 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: the the y U K's situation that did not come 117 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: to pass, but that had people heading for the hills 118 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: and stocking up on water and beans. If you have 119 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: a chance, check out the House Stuffworks dot COM's article 120 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: UM two thousand and twelve Apocalypse survival guide. That's one 121 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: I wrote that kind of humorously takes you through ten 122 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: of the sort of out there in many cases scenarios 123 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: for how the world is going to end, uh this December. Yeah, 124 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: and and some of those are like there's yeah, there's 125 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: one based in computer programs trying to predict the course 126 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: of events, and and people pointing that these computers have 127 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: dictated exactly when the world is gonna end, and it 128 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: lines up in two twelve. You know, so we just 129 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: got a clue and you know, got an inkling of 130 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: what they were up to. Yeah. So you you know, technological, economic, spiritual, political, 131 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there's like anything that any kind of movement 132 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: or or system that is big enough to fail with 133 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: dire consequences. People are uh and and have been predicting 134 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: a failure for ages. Yeah. And before we talk about 135 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: some good examples of apocalypse is um or you know 136 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: in the past that people have thought would come to pass, 137 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit why we're hardwired to like 138 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: a really good apocalypse story. Why does it appeal to us? Yeah, 139 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: because obviously we keep doing these these mental circles for 140 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: a reason, and it's because our brains are are central 141 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah. And there's this in this story of 142 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: the apocalypse or is a promise of renewal, right, and 143 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: the yeah, I mean it's sort of like the phoenix 144 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: from the flame. Um. It's an impetus to right our wrongs. Right. 145 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: And there's a moral code in some of these which 146 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: says that you know, if I live my life right, 147 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: then in the rapture, Um, you know, I will be 148 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: spared from the scorched earth. And speaking of scorched earth, 149 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you're talking in secular terms, 150 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: you could even say that, uh, in something like the military, 151 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: which has scorched earth policies sometimes and applied to warfare. 152 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: If you take a country down, a community down to 153 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: the studs, you're scorching the earth. There's this idea that 154 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: you can then fill that void with a renewal for 155 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,119 Speaker 1: these people. Yeah, right, besides dominating them to a certain degree. Um. 156 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: So I mean you can you see it in all 157 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: different areas. Um. But again, it is a sort of 158 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: a cathartic experience, and I think that that's why people 159 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: are gravitate to it so much, or some people do. Yeah. 160 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: So many of these systems involve a like a system 161 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: that is flawed to its core ultimately fails, and when 162 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: it fails, that gives us the room to create a 163 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: new system. Be that you know, typically we're talking about 164 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: a civilization. It's like humans for ages realizing that the 165 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: that the systems they create or the systems they inhabit 166 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: are not quite perfect or not completely to their liking. 167 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: And surely if this system were to run its course 168 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: and have enough rope to hang itself, we'd be able 169 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: to build some new system that obviously wouldn't be horrible. 170 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: Well to your point, um Isaac Asimov's Book of Facts 171 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: actually talks about an Assyrian clay tablet that dates back 172 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: to b C. And it was unearthed and it bears 173 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: the words our Earth is degenerate. In these latter days, 174 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: there are signs that the world is speedily coming to 175 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: an end. Bribery and corruption are common. Okay, So BC 176 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: people are like, you know what, this is, this planet, 177 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: this thing that's going on here on Earth, it's just 178 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: not working out. Surely it will end. Surely the Second 179 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: Coming is at hand, right yeah. Yeah. And it's just 180 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: one example of you know, perception of moral decay in society. 181 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: But you know, there's there are a ton of them. 182 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: Um Romans saw the a D. Seventy nine eruption of 183 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: Mount Vesuvius as a sign that society was about to 184 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: get its kick in the pants, um when POMPEII went 185 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: up in smoke, or excuse me, when Pompey was actually 186 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: buried in smoke. As the eight said, again, it's no 187 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: country for old men, right. The We're always looking at 188 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: the world around them and seeing forces that are endangered 189 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: in them rising up, and the end systems that are 190 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: not working all around them. And patterns always patterns, right yeah, 191 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: because we are brains, as we've discussed before, are all 192 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: about finding patterns. We have to navigate this world of 193 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: fixed and movable objects, of symbols, of information, of of 194 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: social systems, and we have to navigate all of this. 195 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: So we need a brain. We've we've evolved to have 196 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: a brain that is ideal for surviving this environment. Well. 197 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: And also think about Haley's comment, right, there's another example 198 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: something happening um getting a lot of press and people 199 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: not quite understanding what the impact, what they think the 200 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: impact will be Haley's common only in this nineteen ten 201 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: people believe that the commons tail contained a gas that 202 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: would impregnate the atmosphere and possibly snuff out all life 203 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: on planet Earth, and they began to sell like all 204 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: sorts of goofy little relics to help people survived this event. 205 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: You know. So again, yes, people, you can't help it, 206 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: right if it depends on how much you know about 207 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: an event. And then later we have Heaven's Gate. He 208 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: believed that the comment is going to is actually signals 209 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: that the UFO is coming to take us away, or 210 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: at least take this small selection of believers away, right, 211 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: which had a very very sad ending, right, I mean 212 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: this this was this is the case where they actually 213 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: all poisoned themselves, Is that right? Yeah, they all committed 214 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: suicide and uh. And the leader he actually, um, he 215 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: also had himself surgically castrated. I don't know why that 216 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: was a prerequisite for the alien ship, but you know, 217 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: dude had some issues. Seriously, It's not funny, but just 218 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: another good example is the Seekers, right, going back to aliens. Yeah, 219 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: the Seekers are quite an interesting story. This is a 220 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: small Chicago area cult and whose members thought that they 221 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: were communicating with aliens. Uh. It's specifically communicating with Sanan Sananda, 222 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: who they believed was the like a cosmic incarnation of Jesus. Uh. 223 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: And the leader and all this was this, uh, this 224 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: lady Dorothy Martin, and so she she had. She was 225 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: basically a housewife, like she was not. You know, there's 226 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: nothing really spectacular about her life up to this point. 227 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: But then she picked up a little, uh, theosophy, she 228 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: picked up a little scientology. Yeah, she was all about 229 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: the dynatics, right, yeah. Yeah. And then by the way, 230 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: theosophy is kind of like a found in eighteen seventy five. 231 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of a combination of some elements of Buddhism 232 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: and Brahminism and uh, some some reincarnation throwing them with 233 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: some spiritual evolution and uh and there's some spinoffs, right, 234 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: like the High Faith, although I don't think that they 235 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: subscribed to I'm well, I'm not sure. I know. Rain 236 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: Wilson is uh this one. Oh I didn't hear that. Yeah, 237 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: he has a really cool site called Soul Pancake, I believe, 238 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: and it's all about like reaching young audiences, getting them 239 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: talking and discussing like spiritual ideas. But anyway, so Dorothy 240 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: Martin fifty four years old, um oak Park, and she 241 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: suddenly she starts communicating with these with these aliens, and 242 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: she learns from them. She says that December, the day 243 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: of the Seas are gonna rise. The continent's gonna split, 244 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: and flying saucers are gonna swoop down to the rescue 245 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: of her and the believers. Uh and and they it 246 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: was even to the point where everybody gathered for this. 247 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: People were removing zippers from their garnaments and by the way, right, yeah, 248 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: removing the wire from their bras because supposedly that would 249 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: interfere with the spaceship or or perhaps it would just 250 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: slow slow your your journey down as you tried to 251 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: make it through security to board the space ships. She 252 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: divined this, by the way, from automatic writing, which I 253 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: thought was funny because that's sort of old fashioned to me. 254 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: Like that, to me, that's like the Silences and Turn 255 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: of the Century, sort of kind of like table raising gig. 256 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: So obviously the date came and went, and everyone was 257 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: still here. The world was still continuing, uh, all around 258 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: the albums, and they kind of face to I mean, 259 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: they did face a crisis of faith here. What do 260 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: you do when you've come to believe that the world 261 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: is gonna end, when you've invested, when you've done this stuff, 262 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: like uh said, well, I'm not I'm never gonna have 263 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: to pay this credit card off, or well I'm not 264 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: gonna need a car again. I'm gonna sell that and 265 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: support this, uh, this group or cult that I'm that 266 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: I've become a part of it, become Yeah, you're committed 267 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: to this idea. Um, if not completely, then substantially. And 268 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: then when this core part of your belief system fails 269 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: on you, what do you do? Well, We're gonna take 270 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll find out what you do. 271 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: This podcast is brought to you by Intel, the sponsors 272 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: of Tomorrow and the Discovery Channel. At Intel, we believe 273 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: curiosity is the spark which drives innovation. Join us at 274 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: curiosity dot com and explore the answers to life's questions. 275 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: All right, we're back, just like we said we would. 276 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: That was not a false prediction, came to pass as 277 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: the prophecy foretold. We have returned, and we are going 278 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: to discuss the question of what happens when you predict something, 279 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: ideally the end of the world or some sort of 280 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: major spiritual reckoning. What happens when you predicted and it 281 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: doesn't come to pass. Well, when you say, oh my goodness, 282 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: this was all you know, Bally who this was a mistake. UM, 283 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: I need to reassess my life and perhaps get my 284 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: job back. When wouldn't that be sort of logical? Well, 285 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: that would that would be the logical. But like we said, 286 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: you've already invested a lot in this idea. Yeah, I 287 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: quit my job, I've sold my car. Yeah, and uh. 288 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: As this was happening though with the seekers back in 289 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: the fifties, they were out there preaching the message. They 290 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: really believed this. They were not trying to hoard the 291 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: afterlife and uh and redemption and about board the UFO. 292 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: They were not holding those seats for themselves. Apparently there 293 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: was plenty of seating available and so they were spreading 294 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: the word and uh. One individual that heard this and 295 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: was particularly fascinated was a Stanford University psychologist, Leon Festing, 296 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: and so he and some of his colleagues decided to 297 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: infiltrate the group, which I love. This is great, right, 298 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: because how else are you going to be able to 299 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: observe people who, you know, what passes over their face 300 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: went December twenty first comes and goes yeah, I mean 301 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: on another level, it's kind of jerky, you know, because 302 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: it's like you're kind of you your way into their 303 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: midst and saying that you believe what they believe. I mean, 304 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: it's like if you you know, started going to uh 305 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: sports games with somebody and then you're really getting into them, 306 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: into the into the game, and you're like, oh yeah, 307 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: go falcons or whatever. And then they were then found 308 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: when they were like, actually, I don't really like the falcons, 309 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: but I've been studying you this wholtime. Yes, you're right, 310 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: you're right, but but but from from an experiment, from 311 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: from research perspective, from a research perspective, this was this 312 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: was an irresistible situation, a real deal. Yeah. Gave them 313 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: the chance to to infiltrate this group, study from the 314 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: inside how they were thinking about the end of the world, 315 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: and then study how they behaved once their prediction did 316 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: not come to pass. Yeah, And so Fassenger found something 317 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: out that was pretty fascinating that when this did come 318 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: to pass. Well, first of all, Dorothy Martin started writing 319 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: again really quickly, right we assume, with her automatic writing, 320 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: and she received a message that said, hey, wow, the 321 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: aliens have spared Earth because we are so committed that 322 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: they decided, you know, never mind, we're not going to 323 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: destroy you, which sort of restored people's faith in in 324 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: in what was going on right I I think the 325 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: message was going to be the Aliens saying, hey, we 326 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: hit traffic, so we're gonna be a little late. Um, 327 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: someone has metal on, take it off. It's totally slowing 328 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: down the our arrival here. But that that's what was 329 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: so amazing, that that people would double down on their 330 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: beliefs in the face of of data that was basically 331 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: telling them that their belief system was wrong. Yeah, because again, 332 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: you've already invested so much in are you're just gonna 333 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 1: give up? It's I The podcast that we're recording right 334 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: after this one is going to deal with worts fandom 335 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: and as I can't help but wonder if it's a 336 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: similar case, like what do you do when you believe 337 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: in a sports team absolutely and you support them and 338 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: then they fail on you, and they fail on you 339 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: again and again and again. Well, and I know we're 340 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: not doing that podcast right now, but I will tell 341 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: you that a lot of times people will blame it 342 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: on bad luck or on the other team, or instead 343 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: of actually looking at the raw data and saying, my 344 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: team is not so good so you can't help, but 345 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: but seek out some sort of explanation that squares with 346 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 1: your idea, your original idea, and that's what Fastinger based 347 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance on correct correct. What's it reminds one of 348 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: the situation with Harold camping Um, the the current big 349 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: rapture scenarios that of course had a lot of play 350 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: in the summer. This was May one, right, yes, and 351 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: and of course it didn't it didn't happen. But he 352 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: immediately said, well, let me revise. I've done the math again, 353 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: and actually, yes, this this date was correct, but it 354 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: was a spiritual judgment and not like the actual judgment. 355 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: So it was like, are the file was settled and 356 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: stamped by heavenly authorities and then then the actual apocalypse 357 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: just explore exploratory committee. Right, they had. But basically he's 358 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: in one swoop. He is, he's quantifying what has already happened, 359 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: and and he's not backing down from his previous claim, 360 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: but he's also excusing away the fact that the world 361 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: didn't end a lot, and he's bumping that date up 362 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: to when it will supposedly actually end, which of course 363 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: he had done in the past. I mean, unfortunately for him, 364 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: they didn't get as many contributions after that point. They've 365 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,239 Speaker 1: they've received less money from from their supporters, but they 366 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: still have supporters, and of course this guy still supports 367 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: the idea completely. But yeah, even in the face of 368 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: the original prediction not coming true, they've they've simply doubled down, 369 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: revised it a little. And apparently this is common to 370 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: when it when a when a when an end of 371 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: the world event does not come to pass, it's spiritualized. 372 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: So it's it's suddenly, oh, it didn't take place in 373 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: the real world, but it took place in a spiritual means, 374 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: or there's some sort of other message. Uh. So you 375 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: come up with ways to reinterpret what has happened so 376 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: that the movement can continue, and in some cases you 377 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: end up splitting off and becoming you know, the followers 378 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: end up having to really shift gears and becoming a 379 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: slightly different faith. Right, which again I always think that 380 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: it's interesting this concept that we are creating our reality 381 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: every single second, right and then stall just our individual perception. So, yes, 382 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 1: there are some things that are are constants, like like, uh, 383 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: you know, the stars in the moon and the sky, 384 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: but how you interpret what happens underneath the sky is 385 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: completely up to that individual um and there was another 386 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: thing that I read to about cognitive dissonance, and they 387 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: were actually saying that, you know, apocalyptic thinking. It's not 388 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: unlike people who are skeptical of global warming. Are people 389 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: who are very ardent about the existence of global warming, 390 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: and that the problem here is not that people don't 391 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: have the right data. It's not it's that it's being 392 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: framed from a how use perspective and not a data appreciate. 393 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: You end up with emotions intertwined in there, and reasoning 394 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: ends up intertwined with that emotion. Even something like global 395 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: warming comes down to. Uh, you end up with the 396 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: emotional political ideas fueled fueling into that personal uh feelings 397 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: of guilt or responsibility become a part of that as well. UH. 398 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: And just to recap cognitive dissonance, which we we've covered 399 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: in the past, UM, this is a situation in the 400 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: mind that arises when there's conflict between two opposing thoughts, 401 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: are between expectations and reality. As we've covered before. The 402 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: a really good example of two opposing thoughts would be 403 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: if you if you completely held the belief that, say, 404 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: homosexual emplices pulses were sinful, but then you knew but 405 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: then you felt homosexual impulse. So like the two ideas 406 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: are are really conflict one another. So how do you 407 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: end up with this cognitive dissonance where the thing you 408 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: believe is not the thing that you believe? And then uh, 409 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: when it comes to expect ptations in reality that is 410 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, that is like the situation we're talking about here. 411 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of like if the if an individual sets 412 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: out to become a rock star and doesn't become a 413 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: rock star, Um, their expectations and the reality are are 414 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: are clashing. So the end with this cognitive dissonance and uh, 415 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: and and this is the situation with someone who thinks 416 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: the world is gonna end and then it doesn't. And 417 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: the classic example is uh that we keep coming back 418 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: around too. Is primordial ancestor in the bush, you know, 419 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: walking around in the jungle, their predators or enemies around. 420 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: And then there's a sound in the bushes. Now, this 421 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: could be one of two things. Basically you can break 422 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: it down to either that that the sound in the 423 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: bushes that is a threat, a real threat, or it's nothing. Okay, 424 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 1: So how do we behave when we when we we 425 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: hear that? I mean, well, how do we behave when 426 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: something jumps out at us, or when suddenly there's a 427 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: car on the highway where we didn't see one earlier. Um, 428 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: when there's a knock at the door when we're not 429 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: expecting someone. But you don't pause to sit there and deliberate, 430 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: right right, say okay, what what rationally is going on 431 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: in here? Because you can basically make two types of 432 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: errors incognition. Here, you can make what is called a 433 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: type one error or a false positive, and this is 434 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: when you believe something is real when it is not. So. 435 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: This is, for instance, a friend jumps out at a 436 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: mon at you a monster constume and you realize, oh, 437 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: it's just a monster costume. It's not a monster. But 438 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: you react initially like it's a monster and maybe punch 439 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: them or apply a few karate chops now. And then 440 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: there's a type two error in cognition, and this is 441 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: a false negative, and this is believing something is not 442 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: real when it is. So. This is when a monster 443 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: jumps out at you and you think it's your friends 444 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: in a monster mask and you're like, hey, buddy, needed 445 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: to go for a high five, and then you get eaten. 446 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: So that's a scenario that not so good, right, So, 447 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: if you can see the type to error in cognition, 448 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: the false negative, that is the scenario most likely to 449 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: result in death if you're dealing with some sort of surprise, 450 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: that could be fatal. Okay, so it makes sense that 451 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: you pull out more stock in the type one like 452 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: people don't probably be more willing to make that error 453 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: than the type the type one error. It's like, worst 454 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: case scenario Type one error is you just feel kind 455 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: of stupid because you were scared by something that wasn't real. 456 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: Type two worst case scenario, you were eaten by a monster. 457 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: So which do you think, Uh, nature selects four. Which 458 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: do you think has been the has proven the evolutionary advantage? 459 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: The type one that is the default error with the 460 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: human mind. So, so take that situation with your friend 461 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: and the monster mask, then extrapolate that to civilization wide 462 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: events and too large human created systems and perceived systems. 463 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: So the idea that a meteorite could hit the earth 464 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: and destroy everybody, Um, we're we're incredibly likely to make 465 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: a type one error and so and and prepare for 466 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: the worst. There and then that breaks down in the 467 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: spiritual and mythic realm as well, we often end up 468 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: making this type one error where we're more likely to 469 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: believe the imagined thing because if if it doesn't come 470 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: to pass, well we just feel a little foolish. Then 471 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: we laugh, right, And as we've discussed in the past, 472 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: that's where we get the whole of benign violation theory 473 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: of laughter and humor, the idea that when we realized 474 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: it's something that we thought was it was a threat 475 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: isn't real. After we have made that type one error, 476 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: we just go ah ha, And that's our our way 477 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: of of letting everyone around us know that that was 478 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: just a dude in the monster mask and not an 479 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: actual monster, right, right, you get the release, you know, regardless. 480 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: So speaking of benign violation theory and uh, and you 481 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: having brought up the article that you wrote about how 482 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: to deal with an apocalypse or several different types of apocalypse, Um, 483 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: let's talk about zombie apocalypse. Oh yeah, yeah, So this 484 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: is an interesting one that instantly comes to mind because 485 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's everywhere. The zombie thing will not 486 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: die no matter how many Yeah, it just keeps crawling 487 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: and lurching and sometimes you're running ahead. So we have 488 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: things like The Walking Dead on TV is like it 489 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: premed see season two premiered, it was like huge, everybody 490 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: was watching it. I mean you just look around, Your 491 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: zombies are everywhere, and why Well, it's a it's another 492 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: apocalyptics and area, not one that most, if anyone, really 493 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: believes in, unless zombies are somehow tied into your particular 494 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: religious view of the rapture. And you know, maybe it is. 495 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: But for the most part, this is like a purely 496 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: fictional idea that we're just obsessed with what we we like. 497 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: The part of our brains that love apocalypse and and 498 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: are more likely to buy into apocalypse. We we can't 499 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: help but think about this scenario, and I think it's 500 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: really interesting to sort of break down Hawaii. That is. 501 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: Chuck Closterman had a bit uh belief. This came out 502 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: last year, um around the same time that the first 503 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: season of The Walking Dead came out, and uh, and 504 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: he had some interesting thoughts in his article my Zombie 505 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,239 Speaker 1: myself by modern life feels rather undead and he said, Uh, 506 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: every zombie war is a war of attrition. It's always 507 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: the numbers game, and it's more repetitive than complex. In 508 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: other words, zombie killing is philosophically similar to reading and 509 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: deleting four work emails on a Monday morning, or filling 510 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: out paperwork that only generates more paperwork, or following Twitter 511 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: goss about of obligation, or performing tedious to ask in 512 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,959 Speaker 1: which the only true risk is being consumed by the avalanche. 513 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: The principal downside to any zombie attack is that the 514 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: zombies will never stop coming. The principal downsound downside of 515 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: life if you will never be finished with whatever it 516 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: is you do. So that was his kind of take 517 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: on on why the modern audience is so into the 518 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: zombie idea my own thinking about it, because I find 519 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: zombies interesting if even if the idea is a little 520 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: played out at this point, but I can't help but 521 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: think a large part of it is because the zombie 522 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: is the in the same way that apocalypse scenarios appeal 523 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: to us on kind of a a liberation frontiersman, uh standpoint, 524 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: and you know that's like, oh, the world comes to 525 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: an end, and now I'm just it's just me and 526 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: my survival skills against nature. And even though that's a 527 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: battle that most of us are not prepared for at all, 528 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: um or we're certainly not as prepared for as we 529 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: might think we would be. Um, it's it's there's something 530 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: romantic about it. You know. It's kind of like that 531 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: whole what if I were to leave everything I own 532 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: and just drive off into the sunset. Well, and it's 533 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: a safe place to play out your fears, right because 534 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: about penang and violation theory. You have zombies, you probably 535 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: can outrun them, right and uh even though uh probably 536 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: for every five you kill, there's another ten that pop 537 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: up like a hide your head, much like Chuck Clusterman 538 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: was saying with emails, Um, you know, it's it's something that, 539 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: um that you can still battle against. Um, it's not 540 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: the real apocalypse right in the zombies themselves. I mean, 541 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: so many of the things that we fear in modern 542 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: life are rather ethically complex, like the idea, like even 543 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: if it's something as simple as crime or terrorism, I 544 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: mean not these are not simple. But these it's an example, 545 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: like crime or terrorism, for example, those are complex, um situations, 546 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: and you can't just but but but with zombies, it's 547 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: rather simple. The zombie is an undead monster, and if 548 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: it comes at you, you can shoot it in the 549 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: head or you can hit it with a baseball bat 550 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: and then wham, one part of that problem is solved. 551 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: Life is rarely as simple as that. So there's I 552 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: think there's a fantasy in your life becoming that kind 553 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: of conflict where there's a clear cut solution. And uh, well, 554 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: I mean and for some people, I mean there's something 555 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: attractive about the idea that that violence is that kind 556 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: of a solution. Well, it's ethical killing, right, because they're 557 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: already dead, and I mean you're you're just trying to survive, right, Yeah, 558 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: you can sort of like walk the masculine um war 559 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: dog inside you without actually having to um feast yourself 560 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: on scenes of human violence and deprivation. Yeah, or or 561 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: or as a feminist, you can take up arms and 562 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: battle against zombies and go on to sustain life of 563 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: the human rights, and you do have to worry with 564 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: these ethical concerns of murder and uh in self defense. 565 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I'm sure you're aware of this, 566 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: but in Atlanta and in other cities, there is going 567 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: to be a zombie five k I believe in February 568 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: I had forgotten about that. Actually yeah, yeah, um, so 569 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna shamble in it. That was my question because 570 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: I was like, is this twenty eight days later zombies 571 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: where they're you know, they're able to learn and they 572 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: get really fast. Because I really don't want someone to 573 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: tackle me and start drooling brains or fake brains all 574 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: over me. Yeah, I know that's weird for that to 575 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: be bothersome, but um but I don't mind. If they're 576 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: just kind of shuffling after me, that could be fun. Well, 577 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: they do a walk here every year, or they have 578 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: for the last several years where um, like a bunch 579 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: of people will gather in zombie makeup, generally on like 580 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: a Friday afternoon. So it's I mean, I've never is 581 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: this different from the Little Five Points Parade? Yes, this 582 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: is different. A Little five Points Parade is a it's 583 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: a cool, little local Halloween parade that we have that's uh, 584 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: that I hope to go to again this year. It's 585 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: kind of disorganized, but not like zombie disorganized. Uh, but 586 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: it's pretty wonderful. Actually, it's pretty wonderful. That's what makes 587 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: it so so wonderful. It's kind of disorganized. It's it's 588 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: not like this huge, hugely thought out parade that it's 589 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: just and it's not like just you know, spontaneous either 590 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: it's there's some degree of planning, but it's pretty loose 591 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: and fun. It's like legions of zombies and pirates. And yeah, 592 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: so the zombie Walk is something slightly different where people 593 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: dress of the zombies and sort of shamble across town 594 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: on an afternoon. But okay, well, so Holly Fry of 595 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: pop stuff is actually training for the well she's a runner, 596 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: but she's training for this five k. So so we'll 597 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: get an update, I'm sure pretty soon on the zombie 598 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: five k that explains all those questionable lunches she's been having. 599 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: You know, yeah she was. She's preparing very gray of 600 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: human hair stuck in them. Yeah yeah. Uh and you 601 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: thought it was some sort of like vestigial cafe of delights. Yeah, 602 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: that vestigial cafe just stuff down the street. Yeah yeah, 603 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: it's the newest thing with the foodies and hipsters. Yeah yeah, 604 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: you can get some sort of like umor worth a 605 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: tooth in it. Sorry, but hey, I mean it's it's 606 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: Halloween ish, so we can talk about this kind of stuff. 607 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: Halloween people are still writing high it. Um. I want 608 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: to leave this conversation with a quote. If I May. 609 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: This is from new Scientists and talking about the apocalypse 610 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: and why it's important to people. It says the apocalyptic 611 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: visions also help us make sense of an often seemingly 612 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: senseless world. In the face of confusion and annihilation, we 613 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,239 Speaker 1: need restitution and reassure. We want to feel that no 614 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: matter how chaotic, oppressive, or evil the world is, all 615 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: will be made right in the end. The apocalypse, as 616 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: histories end, is made acceptable with the belief that there 617 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: will be a new beginning. The psychology behind it awesome 618 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: and a nice pithy paragraph. Well, speaking of new beginnings, 619 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to reach inside the listener mail and I'm 620 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: gonna retrieve a particular email from listener Mike that deals 621 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: with red bull, or more specifically the idea of Southeast 622 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: Asian red bull, because I mentioned in a previous podcast 623 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: about how when I was in Thailand I had a 624 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,479 Speaker 1: Thai red bull and how it was like a totally 625 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: different experience then American red bull. It was a sweeter um, 626 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: it was insanely like powerful. It's like you felt your 627 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: eyes do that incredible hulk thing when you drank it. 628 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: And this sounds like this sort of hashy strink. Yeah 629 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: it was, but I but I asked listeners like, hey, 630 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: has anyone else had this experience? Or did I buy 631 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: a painted red bull and just had a weird experience 632 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: with it? Well, Mike right, so and he says, hey, guys, 633 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm fifteen and a big fan. I heard Robert talking 634 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: about the tie red bull and had a very lost 635 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: esque flashback. This summer, my mom and dad and I 636 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: took a two week trip to Cambodia, very cool to 637 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: be with some missionary friends and help out with their hospital. 638 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: Cooler red bull was everywhere in Cambodia. We were pretty 639 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: close to the border of Thailand. I bought some of 640 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: it in a little eight ounce can and it was 641 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: definitely how Robert described it. It was much sweeter and 642 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: it was uncarbonated. Fantastic stuff. I'll include a picture of 643 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: it so you guys can see if any of the 644 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: canc look a right like was the red bull in 645 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: the in the medicine bottle carbonating? Um? Okay, So I 646 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: looked at the picture and it looks it looks different 647 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: from what I had. But it's been several years though, 648 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: who knows. The branding may have changed, and also Cambodian 649 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: red bull might be slightly different from Thai that bull. 650 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I have a suspicion that the chemicals, 651 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: uh were very similar. It's possible. I have heard that 652 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: coke in Mexico is far different from Cokie night Stage 653 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: was actually because that thing, right, Yeah, It's like it's 654 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: made with grill sugar versus a high procost corn syrup. 655 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: And I don't remember it was carbonated. I just remember 656 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: that I felt carbonated drank um. And we have a 657 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: couple of other emails here. I'm gonna go through real quick. 658 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: Paul writes in from Australia, says, good day. It's Paul 659 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: from Australia. Where about the only thing that won't kill 660 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: you is our weird, tiny, stingless bees. Anyway, I've been 661 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,479 Speaker 1: listening with Rapped Enjoyment since episode one and have wanted 662 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: to comment on almost every topic cover. I spent many 663 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: hours each day driving and I usually listened in large batches, however, 664 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: and have just never gotten around to it. So I 665 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: put down my panda sandwich with its side order of 666 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: popcorn Cicada's popped a few gummy bears in my mouth instead. 667 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: Wiped my mind clear, chased out the devil and his 668 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: fiendish dub step, and wrote this of what I can 669 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: only assume as my own free will. I had an 670 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: interesting moment whilst listening to the podcast on memory when 671 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: Julie was reading out the list. When she came to 672 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: the test words and read the trick word sweet. I 673 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: quickly raced through my memory palace, noticed that sweet wasn't there, 674 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: and immediately drew an upper case Q on my forehead 675 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: tail on the left. Of course, oop's gotta go, my larval. 676 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: Humans are whining about saber tooths on the subway again, 677 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: and you know how annoying that can be? All right 678 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: again soon if I get enough of the dopamine hit 679 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: from this later. Paul ps Lady Gaga, I love that. Wow. Yeah, 680 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: he he was able to wrap too many references in. 681 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: I think he discovered like about a hundred podcasts in there, 682 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: or at least met I don't know, maybe uh six 683 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: year or so. Nicely done, Paul, that's going up in 684 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: my cubicle. Yes, I like the way this man's mind works. 685 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: Here's another one from Timothy. Timothy writes in Robert and Julie, 686 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: thank you for this podcast. It's funny that you mentioned 687 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: how social stimulation helps feel creativity during this episode and 688 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: he's talking about spolinted isolation, because that is exactly what 689 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: the simulated social interaction of listening to your podcast did 690 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: for me. Please allow me to explain. I've had a 691 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: book floating around in my head for a decade or 692 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: so and have never really mustered the creative energy to write, 693 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: as opposed to the dozens of other products I found 694 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: myself involved in. Amazingly, You're description of social isolation and 695 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: its effects were identical to the major themes of the 696 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: story and completely validated my creative instincts. That encouraging knowledge 697 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: gave me a vivid image of the characters I haven't 698 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: captured for a long time. Thanks again, I now know 699 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: how to find my inspiration in the real life drama 700 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: of psychology. Uh. And that was again from Tim. So 701 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: that's awesome. I love it when we hear here accounts 702 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: of how our listeners have taken something or that we've 703 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: covered and have managed to turn that into some new 704 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: creative energy or or some new inspiration uh in their 705 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: creative life. So yeah, I love that too. I always 706 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: think that there are so many different novels that could 707 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: come from some of the research that we do. Yes, yes, 708 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: I think every basically there's the best selling novel in 709 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: every episode. And I just hope that the people who 710 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: write those best selling novels and option them option the screenplay. 711 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: Uh do they just remember you and I and uh 712 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: and just you know, flow us as few bucks when 713 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: the millions, you know, just treat us to a dinner. 714 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: I don't know. I was gonna say a nice postcard. Yeah, 715 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: or look at one of those cheese askets. Well I 716 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: would You don't need cheese, but you can send me 717 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: the cheese basket when the screenplay is an option for sure. 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