1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is Monday, November twenty fourth, 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: And despite the headlines you saw, no, Kevin Spacey is 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: not homeless. In related news, and also despite the headlines, no, 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: Robot and I did not fake our engagement. And with that, 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: welcome to this very personal, pissed off episode of amy 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: and teaching. No, not pissed off. We're used to it 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: at this point. But robes this whole Kevin Spacey back 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: and forth, which became a back and forth we didn't know, 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: sparked some stuff in us that we kind of laugh about. 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: But this stuff has real impact, and Kevin Spacey. 11 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: Noticed, and I think that's the point of this. Look. 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: We've talked about clickbait headlines plenty over the past couple 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 2: of years, but it is important to remember and I 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: appreciate the fact that Kevin Spacey came back and clarified. 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: We have talked about our biggest mistakes have been and 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: not speaking up and speaking out when misinformation is handed out. 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 2: So you really go through this balance in your head. 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: I'm sure Kevin Spacey did as well. How much attention 19 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: do you want to give to the clickbaity headlines, but 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: how much space do you want to leave for other 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: people to fill in what they mean, and so he 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: took ownership of this. After he spoke for some time 23 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: and praised the journalist who actually did the interview, but 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: bashed the headline that the Telegraph chose to give it 25 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: in front of you. Exactly the Telegraph headline is this 26 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: Kevin Spacey interview homeless, canceled and crooning in Cyprus. A 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: second headline is still exiled from Hollywood despite acquitvalent Court, 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: the Oscar winning actor, talks about his life's latest chapter. 29 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: Okay, so a lot of people saw the headline. I 30 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: don't know how many people read as deeply as we 31 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: did into the story, which, of course we read the 32 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: whole story. I was surprised to see him do such 33 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: an in depth interview, but I thought it was interesting 34 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: a lot of what he had to say. Now, so 35 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: what happens here? Robes's problem is he explained, and we 36 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: did an episode on talking about and gave his words. 37 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: You can say homeless if you want to, technically, but 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: that's not exactly what he was explaining. 39 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 2: Yes, he says, saying that I have no home does 40 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: not equate to being homeless. Actually, technically from a definition standpoint, 41 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: it does, but he's talking about the colloquial way we 42 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: all regard saying someone's homeless. It means they're living on 43 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: the street. It means they are destitute. It means they 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: are in need of immediate help because they cannot house themselves, 45 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: they cannot shelter themselves. 46 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: And that was the impression that the headline, at least 47 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: to some, did give. But in that original article Robe 48 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: he said at the time he never suggested it that 49 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: that of any kind. He said, I've been bouncing around 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: here and there. 51 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, I'm going where the work is, and 52 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: he did say that he and this he actually went 53 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: on a little while ago. He went on Peers Morgan, 54 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: I believe, and was very emotional saying he had to 55 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: let go of his home in Baltimore and it foreclosure 56 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 2: because he could no longer afford it. So this has 57 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: been a devastating and emotional situation for him. However, he 58 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: is a two time Academy Award winning actor who is 59 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: still working right now, and I appreciate that he is hustling, 60 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: he said, like he did in his early days, and 61 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: so he can pay his bills. He's staying. In fact, 62 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: to the video he put on Instagram, which we can 63 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: talk about. His background is gorgeous. He's obviously staying at 64 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: a very luxurious Airbnb or hotel. 65 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: Which is where he has been in what he explained 66 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: in the article. Here's the problem. One headline creates the 67 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: click bait. Everybody else now jumps on that headline and 68 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: wants to turn it into their own headline. Now they 69 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: need to up the ante a little bit and make 70 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: it sound even worse, and then somebody else picks it 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: up to make it sound even worse. So now all 72 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: you get is a whole series of stories that aren't 73 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: really about what he talked about in that article. They're 74 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: only about Kevin Spacey being homeless, and that went everywhere, 75 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: and that is where frustration and I guess a lot 76 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: of camaraderie we felt in that moment with Kevin Spacey 77 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: because he came out and shut it down immediately. And 78 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: like you said, Robe, you can give him credit for 79 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: doing so, but what do you do about a click 80 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: bait headline that he has no control over and no 81 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: say it was only meant to play on people's emotions, 82 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: get them worked up, get a reaction for shock value, 83 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: just to click that button. As soon as you do, 84 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: they've won. 85 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: Yes, And you're damned if you do, and you're damned 86 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: if you don't. Because he actually decided to speak out, 87 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: and I thought the article was wonderful, and I think 88 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: he did too. He praised the journalist once again. But look, 89 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: people can say what they want. He's trying to rectify 90 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: a narrative already about him that most people think he 91 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 2: was convicted of a crime. Most people think he had 92 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: to pay out his accusers, and the truth is he's 93 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: never been convicted of a crime, and he's never been 94 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: held liable for any civil suit that was filed against him. 95 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: And so he's trying to correct the record, saying, was 96 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 2: I too Hansy a couple of times? Did I maybe 97 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: make advances on people who I didn't realize were offended 98 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: by them? Probably? Yes? But did I commit a crime? 99 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: Am I a pariah? No? None of those things. So 100 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: he was trying to set the record straight and talk 101 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: about how he wanted to make a comeback and how 102 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: he's trying to make a comeback, and. 103 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: It turned into something else. It's only about this because 104 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: the most important part of that story. I mean, if 105 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: you didn't have that headline. I don't know if I 106 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: would have plucked that out. Yeah, I don't know if 107 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: I would have been laser focused in reading his interview 108 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: of that being the most important thing, a significant thing 109 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: that he said. 110 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: It just spoke to where he is now financially given 111 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: where he was, And I do appreciate that that is 112 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: significant and that that does tell a story about what 113 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: has happened to him based on allegations. But he didn't 114 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 2: like the notion that somehow he was being equated to 115 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: the homeless folks that you see on the streets of 116 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: major urban areas. He's like, please do not, this is 117 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: nowhere near the same thing. And I think that's where 118 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: he was wanting to set the record straight. And I 119 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: appreciate his video was measured. He didn't seem angry. He 120 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: just wanted to set the record straight, and frankly, he's 121 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: had a lot of experience having to try and do that. 122 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: But he said he clearly took issue with that headline. 123 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: Like I said, he commended the work of the actual 124 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: journalists but said, it's too bad that your actual bosses 125 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: have taken away from your great work by writing this 126 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: misleading headline. 127 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: Correct, correct, and he said that he was not responding 128 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: to the press. I actually this is pretty funny, he said. 129 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: I don't usually make it my business to correct the media. 130 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: If I did, I wouldn't have time for much else. 131 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: That's telling well, you can't. 132 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: And this is another area in which we well, I 133 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: will speak for me, but I think you do as well. 134 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: We felt that camaraderie at least un understood what he 135 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: was coming from, and that as soon as you answer 136 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: a lie in a tabloid headline, you've now given them 137 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: content to come back and rewrite something that. Ah, he 138 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: responded to what we said, And then you give agency 139 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: to the other tabloid and the other one, and the 140 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: other one, well, we'll just make some shit up too, 141 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: and then he'll have to respond to that. So you 142 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: end up we could spend every single day responding two 143 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: things that are one hundred percent falls, and you put 144 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: yourself in a position to where you're constantly answering allegations 145 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: that have never been made other than by someone sitting 146 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: around who wants to destroy you. Yes, and get a click. 147 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: I have an email in my inbox right now, in 148 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: that very vein. And it's always been if you respond, 149 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: you now give them something more to write. But I 150 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: do appreciate the fact that there are moments when you 151 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: need to respond. And that is where Kevin Spacey was 152 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: with this, he said, and I appreciate how he wrote this, 153 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: or he said this. It was a shame that the 154 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: Telegraph chose to undermine the work of their own journalists 155 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: by selling him out with a knowingly misleading headline for 156 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: the sake of clicks. 157 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: Click a click. This is where we are in the industry, 158 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean a click. We're fighting over a click. And 159 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: they look, they do their research, and these things are 160 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: done well. How many times today anybody listening right now, 161 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: how many times have you done it? And how many 162 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: times are you gonna do it? Fall for a clickbait headline. 163 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: It's meant to shock. It plays on your emotions. It 164 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: has to promise you that there will be surprising new 165 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: content when you click into it. But so much of 166 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: it roads is to play on your emotions, your anger, 167 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: your disappointments, your fears, your your relationship, how it's going. 168 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: It plays on what's happening in your life. Psychologically. It 169 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: forces you, almost they say, sometimes to click. You can't 170 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: help yourself and then once you click, you get in 171 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: there and you see something that feeds that fear, feeds 172 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: that anger. They call it. They say it's a dopamine hit. 173 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: And the next thing you know, you want to go back, 174 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: and you fall for the next one, and fall for 175 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: the next one. The next thing you know, you're just 176 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: you're putting We talked about this recently. If you ever 177 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: want to know what people are ingesting, just pay attention 178 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: to what they are putting out into the world. Just 179 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: you become that the cynical. And I hate it, and 180 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: I see it rose and you know, this is one. 181 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: It drives me crazier than you do. And I know 182 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: a lot of folks who in the public eye do 183 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: better at this, and and I'm just used to it, 184 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: but it drives me crazy. It's nothing. It's the worst 185 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: thing in the world when somebody is saying something about 186 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: you that you know to be one hundred percent false 187 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: and you can do nothing about it because you know 188 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: somebody out there is reading it and believes them. And 189 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: that's why we lost jobs and so these things. And 190 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: to hear him handle it the way he's handling I 191 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: know there's another example of somebody doing it the way 192 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: we should have right, and we said we promise that 193 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: from now on, we will not let anybody else speak 194 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: for us, and we will stand up for ourselves and 195 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: our relationship when it rises to the level. We're now 196 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: at the point, Robes, Where is the level? I can't 197 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: tell how high of a level is. What the publication is, 198 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: is it? How horrible the headline about us is? Is it? How? 199 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: I don't know the bar now, because we are dealing 200 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: with We've been dealing with some shit in the past 201 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: week or so, I say, dealing with shit. Not really, 202 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: it's just you want to set a record straight. But 203 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: it's based on a completely fabricated headline story to get 204 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: somebody to click. 205 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: And it's one of those fine lines where you have 206 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: to ask yourself again. I said, you're damned if you do, 207 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: and you're damned if you don't. If you give too 208 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: much information or you're being completely transparent, people will take that, 209 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: use it against you, make fun of you, whatever, and 210 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: take some of what you said and turn it into 211 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: something else. But if you say nothing, if you don't 212 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: give anybody any details, they'll fill them all in for you. 213 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: So it's just like either, oh, you're you're telling us 214 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: too much and you're wanting to be relevant, stop being 215 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: so desperate. Or if you don't say anything, we'll tell 216 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: you how it happened. We'll tell you what they did, 217 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: We'll tell you what people think about it. 218 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: So what where's the balance? Then? Where are we? We 219 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: have not settled on this balance. Where's the balance for 220 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: us between giving this much, this much or not much? 221 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: What's the balance? We didn't plan on telling anybody about 222 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: our engagement. We have been engaged a full month before 223 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: anybody even noticed, or we were living our lives and 224 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: what's wrong with that? I don't know. But as soon 225 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: as we said, all right, somebody's about to put it, 226 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: we're not going to let somebody else tell that we're engaged. 227 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: So let's just do it. We had a five minute 228 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: podcast just saying, hey, guys, we're engaged and moved on 229 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 1: with our lives. 230 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: And then what, Well, we didn't talk about the ring, 231 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: we didn't talk about how you proposed, we didn't talk 232 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 2: about when our wedding might be, and so everyone else 233 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: tries to fill in the blanks with nothing. 234 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: That's the thing you're filling in a blank based on 235 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: and you all read anytime you see something that says, 236 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: source close to the couple says, that is a one 237 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: lie has been made of, either by some source or 238 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: by that publication. It is. It's difficult to stomach that 239 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: that somebody is sitting somewhere and making up a lie 240 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: about you, and it's going to print it, and they 241 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: can get around it by simply saying an insider says. 242 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: Sources say sources close to the couple say. Anytime you 243 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: read sources close to the couple say, it's BS. 244 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: Or it's Sabine, or it's Analyse, or it's your parents 245 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: and my parents. Nobody else's close to us. 246 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: No, we've gotten to a place where we really don't 247 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: give personal details to even close friends. Because I've always said, 248 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: this is nothing against my friends, but human nature is this. 249 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: Everyone always tells one person, and not even with ill intent, 250 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: maybe with excite, maybe with love, maybe with just sharing something, 251 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: and one person always tells one person about it. Have 252 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: you ever played the game operator, By the time you 253 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: get to whatever tabloid, they've heard nothing that is even 254 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,599 Speaker 2: anywhere close to the truth. What were you know? 255 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: What? No, stay here, folks, we come back. I'm going 256 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: to let robot go through all the things she was 257 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: recently accused of related to her engagement. Some of these 258 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: I just found out about myself. Stay here all right, folks, 259 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: We continue now with our surprising I guess I didn't 260 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: know we had so much in common with Kevin Spacey 261 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: here lately. But it is to think that he came out, 262 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: did this big interview talking about what his life has 263 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: been like, talking about how difficult it is, and the 264 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: only headline that came out of it is him saying 265 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: he doesn't have his physical home anymore. He's been going 266 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: to Airbnb's hotels, bouncing around where the work is in 267 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: Cyprus now performing with Rodes. He's not out on the street, 268 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: and he felt it was a intentionally misleading headline for 269 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: them to put that in there. Actually, it was the 270 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: first word he said, Kevin Spacey interview, homeless. 271 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the headline, and that got me to click. 272 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: And that's the point. What the work being done today, folks, 273 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: to get you to click is pretty incredible. 274 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: You already had an idea based on what's been happening 275 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: look over the last three years, but even it's ramped 276 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: back up in the last few weeks since we announced 277 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: our engagement the anatomy of a tabloid headline. You said, 278 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: we could do a whole podcast explaining like what, because 279 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: we've lived it, and look, we had been in the media. 280 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 2: We understood a little bit. But when it happens to you, 281 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: and when it is that personal and that deeply misconstrued 282 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: and offensive, it takes on a whole new meeting. 283 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: We didn't do anything like this. I didn't understand this 284 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: before we got I had no idea. I had no 285 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: idea it was you. I would have gone to court 286 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: and said, no, they don't make up stuff and just lie. 287 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: I would have sworn that that stuff didn't happen. I 288 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: know better. 289 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: Yes, Unfortunately, we learned the hard way. 290 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: So we Yeah, we got engaged in September, right, and 291 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: after that, we traveled all over the place in big 292 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: crowds of people at events, and nobody said a word. 293 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: Nobody said a thing about the ring, and we just 294 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: went on about our day. 295 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: We actually had discussions about it, because obviously we got engaged. 296 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: I want to wear the ring. We knew if I 297 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: wore the ring that there might be photographs or people 298 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: asking questions, and we just I think we decided because 299 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: we didn't. We didn't want to say, hey, everybody, look 300 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: at our relationship. We've been trying to get away from that, 301 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: and we just thought, hey, let's let this just happen organically. 302 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: And so when we when some one finally, for whatever reason, 303 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: it got to a tabloid, they were letting us know 304 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 2: that they were going to out us in a sense 305 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 2: or reveal that we were engaged. 306 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: Which they too could have just been guessing because most 307 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: of their facts are wrong, that's true. Ast of the 308 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: stuff in there was completely made up. 309 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 2: They already had stuff about our wedding that were like 310 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: hilariously wrong. 311 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: So I'm quite frankly I wonder if they were just 312 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: guessing as well with the time, because people have guessed 313 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: over the past two years. Who said it was imminent 314 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: like a year. 315 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: Ago, yeah exactly, and people thought we were already married. 316 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: There was all sorts of stuff, but anyway, we decided 317 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 2: we settled on, hey, we'll just make it really quick, 318 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: we'll acknowledge it, we'll own the announcement ourselves, but we 319 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: can keep our details private. We're not trying to say everybody, 320 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: look at us, and here are all the wonderful things 321 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: that are happening in our lives. We just wanted to 322 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 2: be on the record with it, to own it ourselves 323 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: after everything we've been through. So we left out all 324 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: of the details deliberately because they're our private details. 325 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just the podcast was fine minutes. This 326 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: wasn't a big thing. When we're talking about everything, we 327 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: just want to say, hey, on the record, that was 328 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: supposed to be it, and we want to go back 329 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: about our day. 330 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 2: Lol. So yes, finally a photographer found us and we 331 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: were walking down the street and they got a picture 332 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: of the ring that you proposed to me with. And 333 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: the headlines are ridiculous, but they all involved me doing 334 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 2: something wrong, and we saw this happening. If we were smiling, 335 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: we were flaunting our relationship. If we were laughing, we 336 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 2: were laughing in the faces of the people we hurt. 337 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: If we were looking cold or serious, we were fighting. 338 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: Like you can't do anything right. They find a way 339 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 2: to take whatever they see and make it negative. And 340 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: so when it came to the ring, all of the 341 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 2: headlines were that I was flaunting my massive engagement ring. 342 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: I was showing off my huge rock. Then there were 343 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: the headlines that we were staging an engagement for our 344 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: career revival. Then I actually have a request to respond 345 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: to something about the fact that I got my own 346 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 2: ring for myself because I want it to be engaged. 347 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: And it goes on and on and on, and we 348 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: can laugh. But these things get picked up when you Google. 349 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 2: It's the first thing that comes up. And yes, there 350 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: are plenty of people who will believe all of those 351 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: things that we're we're using something that's deeply personal for 352 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: ourselves as a PR campaign and it's all negative and 353 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: it's sad. 354 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: I ask anybody listening to just take just take stock, 355 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: and I mean just take a moment when you were 356 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: about to click on those things and just consider this. 357 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: Why is it that you need it to be negative? 358 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: Why do you need it to be somebody else's pain? 359 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: Why do you need somebody else to be doing wrong? 360 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: Why do you need a villain? And I say, I 361 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: didn't know the stuff about the ring, but the idea 362 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: of you flaunting, showing off, what were the other words 363 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: you said were. 364 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 2: Using, well, flaunting, show and flashes. I'm flashing, I'm showing off, 365 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: I'm flaunting you. 366 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: All the flashing and flaunting in the picture. We literally 367 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: walked three blocks to La Pan to Kotadien to get 368 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: salads and walked right back home. If that is flaunting, 369 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: showing off, throwing in somebody's face, that is a very 370 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: good example, Rhoades, that you are told that you did 371 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: something wrong by walking outside. Yep, that's all you did, 372 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: and it then gets passed along to somebody else as 373 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: you are now a bitch an asshole of a woman 374 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: who shows off, and it's all I'm connected to this too, 375 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: but it just that is what we mean. Folks. We 376 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: literally walked three blocks to get salads and they told 377 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: you that we're showing off and flaunting. We did a 378 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: five minute podcast to say we're engaged, and now we're 379 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: told we've faked and we've staged, and now we're trying 380 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: a huge career thing over a goddamn five minute podcast. Folks, 381 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: If you want sympathy, and you want heart and tears 382 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: and sincerity and family, if you want to come around 383 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: about us, then we damn sure would tell you what 384 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: happened with our engagement because it was fucking beautiful, and 385 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: how our kids were involved, and how our families were 386 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: involved all God, we should have taken pictures posted them 387 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: everywhere it would have been gorgeous and that have been beautiful. 388 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: But folks, we are just trying to live our lives 389 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: and have a good time doing some news along the way, 390 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: and that's kind of it. That's kind of it. I'm 391 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: sorry that you feel the way you feel about us 392 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: based on a lie you were told by a tabloid. 393 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna keep screaming the facts about what happened 394 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: at the beginning of our relationship. I just you can't 395 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: keep doing that. But I maybe, Robes, I'll apologize to you, 396 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: and maybe this is the time I should dedicate and 397 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: say publicly that I'll do this differently. I don't declare 398 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: enough publicly how much I love you. I don't hoot 399 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: and holler and scream from the mountaintops and posts about 400 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: the woman I am engaged to because I'm worried about 401 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: how somebody else might take that shit. You post it, 402 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna take talk shit. You don't post it, They're 403 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: gonna talk shit. So why not just own the fact, sweetheart, 404 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: I am in love with you, and I apologize for 405 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: not being as loud about it publicly as I should 406 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: be over some bullshit clickbait potential. So that's all I 407 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: got to say. Fucking story. 408 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 2: And you know what I feel like. That is a 409 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: beautiful way to drop the mic and just to remind 410 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 2: everybody that these are all real people with real problems, 411 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 2: real beauty, real love, real feelings and what you click 412 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 2: on and how people write these stories matter. So thank 413 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: you so much for listening to us, and baby, I 414 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: love you and I am proud to be your fiancee 415 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: and can't wait to marry you. And with that everyone, 416 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: thank you for listening. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. 417 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: We will talk to you soon.