1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: Jetty and he Armstrong and Getty. 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 2: Spirit Airlines warned investors that they might not be able 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: to survive if they don't raise more money. 6 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: Not really the. 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: News you want to see mid flight on your seatback screen. 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, Spirit is really struggling. 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: It's not a good sign. 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: When the flight attendants come around asking you for food 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: and blankets. 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: You have anything I could eat? 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: How are you going to finish that? I have not 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 3: flown Spirit Airlines. That's an East Coast thing, nor have 15 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: I Yeah. Yeah, they're big on the East Coast. 16 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, the super cut rate cattle car, you know, which 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: is fine if you need to get somewhere and cheap 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: is all you care about, you know? Fair enough? You've 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: flown Spirit Airlines, Katie, unfortunately, Yes? And huge. Did you 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: destroy yours? Yes? And it is huge for Vegas flying. 21 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: So you'll see a lot of party animals headed to 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: and a lot of hangovers headed back. Okay, Yeah, I 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: mean Southwest is so bare bones. It's always hard for 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: me to picture something more bare bones. Than that, but 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: apparently spirit is. 26 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 4: So. 27 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: The story is entitled The Bride of Chinese Frankenstein. I 28 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 3: mean you got Chinese Frankenstein. Of course you got to 29 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: have his bride and the race to make designer babies. 30 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: Some great coverage in the Free press about a very 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: very odd story. 32 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: This guy's name is Huge Young Q. I'm sure I'm 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: mispronouncing that this guy is semi infamous. You may actually 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: recall the story that he actually was a brilliant student, 35 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: left China, went to Stanford, and went back to China, 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: and he ultimately got arrested and jailed for three years 37 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: for illegal medical practices he had. He announced in twenty 38 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: eighteen that he had created the world's first gene edited babies, 39 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: twin girls. He said he designed to have a trait 40 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: very few humans are born with immunity to HIV. They 41 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: called me Chinese Frankenstein. He told me, I didn't know, journalist, 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know what you were going to say. 43 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 3: They were edited to have a trait no human beings 44 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: have had, if they could fly or see through walls 45 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: or what it was going to be. 46 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: No, turns out it's immunity the HIV, which is you know, 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 1: certainly lovely so anyway, but China jailed him partly because 48 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: it was so incredibly controversial. And now though he is 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: still in China not supposed to leave, he's getting together 50 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: financing to open a lab in Austin, Texas. There he 51 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: said he would do Alzheimer's research on monkeys and non 52 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: viable humans embryos in hope of figuring out how to 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: one day edit human embryos in order to prevent the disease. 54 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: His great competitor in this field, weirdly enough, is his 55 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: ex wife. They appeared to have been married for about 56 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: three months. 57 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: By the way, I took a pass on going into 58 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: some sort of monkeys with Alzheimer's bit. 59 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: I decided it was distasteful, but good Thank god. Enter 60 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: cat is that banana? I had it? Just? Oh no, no, no, 61 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: it's not funny. There's no humor there. Enter Kathy Tie 62 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: a twenty nine year old Chinese born Canadian thel fellow. 63 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: Last year, she co founded a genetic engineering company in 64 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: the US that's trying to create All right, there is 65 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: humor to be had here. Just everybody feel free to 66 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: join in. She's co founded a genetic engineering company that's 67 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: trying to create the next generation of pets, including dragons, unicorns, 68 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: and glow in the Dark rabbits. 69 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: Well, finally, the long desired need not satisfied for so 70 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: many right glowing rabbits. 71 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: Tired of misplacing your rabbit at night. Can't tell you 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: how many times I've stepped on a rabbit in the dark. Right, right, Dragons, 73 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: unicorns and glowing the Dark rabbits. But this week she 74 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: and Corn interview what sort of sad. 75 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: Inbread genetically modified ba horned pet is going to be 76 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 3: the unicorn that comes out of this plant? Good Lord, 77 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 3: you're gonna give that to your daughter for her sixth 78 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: birthday and she's gonna shriek in horror. 79 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: Well, they're specially designing tanks where narwals can mount female 80 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: donkeys until they get it right. Oh uh, anyway, let's see. 81 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: Oh so she gave an interview with NPR this week, 82 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: I guess, and she said, yeah, we're gonna do that, 83 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: and we will explore how to do gene correction in 84 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: human embryos more safely. We want to be the company 85 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: that does this in the light, with transparency and with 86 00:04:59,200 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: good intentions. 87 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 3: So, which is interesting because how many companies around the world, 88 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: whether it's in Russia, China, North Korea, or maybe in 89 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: our own labs in the United States are doing this secretly. 90 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: Probably a lot of people are. So the fact that 91 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: you got a guy who has been called Chinese Frankenstein 92 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: and the bride of Chinese Frankenstein is in the same 93 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: field as just a little too much. That's hurtful. According 94 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: to these people, they call what they're doing a Manhattan project. 95 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: The stakes to be fair, writes the journalists. The stakes 96 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: here are existential, according to their defenders, designer babies as 97 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: they're colloquially colloquially known, or a way to fast track 98 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: evolution to that end. Different publication Wall Street Journal inside 99 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: Silicon Valley's growing obsession with having smarter babies. Tech execs 100 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: are paying tens of thousands to find brilliant dates or 101 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: select high e Q embryos. 102 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: They want to raise high performing children. Why is it 103 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 3: always that? How come they're not looking for a surly 104 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: bald man. I can provide that. 105 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: So they mentioned this mathematician who spent seven years researching 106 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: how to keep an advanced form of artificial intelligence from 107 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: destroying humanity before he declared concluded that stopping it was 108 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: not possible at least anytime soon. 109 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: I swar I do agree with that last part. Well, yeah, 110 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 3: and oddly enough, I think this story is proof of 111 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 3: it because I remember in the early days of jeans plicing, 112 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 3: people are like, now we need to be very careful 113 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: because we're playing god here, and what if people decided 114 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah. 115 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: They're doing it now, full speed ahead. They're spending tremendous 116 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: amounts of money and our best, brightest minds are one 117 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: hundred percent dedicated to this. But anyway, so this AI 118 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: doomsday guy said he's now considered turned his considerable brain 119 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: power to promoting cutting edge technology to create smarter humans 120 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: who will be up to the task of saving us 121 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: all in Silicon Valley. Evidently, interest in breeding smarter babies 122 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: is peaking. 123 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: You know what an interesting side to that. I don't 124 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: know if they've thought this through. What's your experience with 125 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: super smart people? A lot of them are miserable and nuts. 126 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: In my cap yeah, there's a pretty good share of either. 127 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: Miserable so antisocially, can't get along with anybody, mental littleness 128 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: problems because they're so isolated and they just see the 129 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: world so differently than everybody else and or and I 130 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: read this at an early age and it made it 131 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: was was it Edison? Somebody had this wonderful quote about 132 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: what tools don't bring you success, that it's all about 133 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: hard work, and one of them was intelligence unfulfilled. Genius 134 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: is a cliche. And so you know, and we're kind 135 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: of jumping to the end here, which is fine. She 136 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: describes all of the tech CEOs that prefer Ivy League. 137 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: They're charging them up to a half million dollars trying 138 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: to get them the smartest woman they can or just 139 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: her embryos, and blah blah blah, so they can have 140 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: the smartest kids they could possibly have. So wild. 141 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: If I was given the choice, and I would never 142 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: want to play god like this with my kid anyway, 143 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: But if I was given the choice between a kid 144 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: with one sixty IQ or average, I'd go average because 145 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: I think I'd be like just committing a kid to 146 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: a lifetime of. 147 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: Misery in large yeah, in large percentages. Yeah, absolutely true. Well, 148 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: and then you know the lack of insight and intelligence 149 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: and wisdom are separate traits. I'd become completely convinced to 150 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: that anyway. Not curiosity absolutely, you're not breeding for curiosity 151 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: or capacity for hard work or morality if that's genetic 152 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: morality or dedication to a cost. I'm just thinking from 153 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: the perspective of these tech geniuses. Wait a minute, it 154 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: was a lot more than intelligence that made you what 155 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: you are today. It's all sorts of traits. 156 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: God, it's probably intelligence, probably way down the list of 157 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: the reason Elon Musk, Elon Musker, Thomas Edison, or picked 158 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: your person was able to do what they did. Like 159 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: you said, unfulfilled genius is a cliche. I mean, there's 160 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: so many other pieces of the puzzle you gotta have. 161 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: And I remember there was a study came out made 162 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 3: a hell of an impression on me. And I'm sure 163 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 3: there's a whole field of this that I'm just not 164 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: familiar with. But the different sorts of intelligence, and I 165 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: think they separated it into seven different sorts at the. 166 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: Time that ranged from like mathematical, musical intelligence, emotional intelligence, 167 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: athletic intelligence because it's your brain directing your muscle fibers. 168 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: Athletics and learning and adapting and perfecting is skilled. How 169 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: is athletic prowess not a form of intelligence since it's 170 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: all driven by your brain anyway, I had an ultimate 171 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: point just that the sort of which you're too dumb 172 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: to remember it. That's that's a big part of it. Yeah, 173 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: but how many of those different aspects of intelligence are 174 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: necessary or even more important than just raw computing power. 175 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: So I mean because IQ on one level, which is 176 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: impossible to measure, you could describe as just chip speed. Yea, 177 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: how fast, how effectively does your brain function, how fast 178 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: does it learn? But that's just one of a number 179 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: of qualities that I think lead to success, even in 180 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, a field like tech where everybody's a super genius. 181 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: And the history of the world is all technology is 182 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: co opted by the military for military or porn. I 183 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: don't know how this is going to be affected by porn, 184 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: but one of the rare cases where I can't see 185 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: a porn application for this, but obviously a military application. 186 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: I mean, see all the Marvel movies. If you could 187 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: actually breed a super soldier like Bucky and a Captain 188 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 3: America are in uh those movies. 189 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: China's doing that right now. Yeah, Silicon Valley, they love IQ, 190 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: said Kean and Sidegi, founder of Nucleus Genomicks. But again, 191 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: what is your life experience that leads you to believe 192 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: that extra smart people are who you want around you. 193 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: But that's not necessarily what parents elsewhere value most. So 194 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: this guy is running one of these companies you talk 195 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: to mom and pap America. Not every parent is like 196 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: I want my kid to be you know, a scholar 197 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: at Harvard Like, No, I want my kid to be 198 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: like Lebron James. 199 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, how about you want your kid. I want 200 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 3: my kid to be happy. I want my kid to be, 201 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: you know, own a house, be married, to have a 202 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 3: couple of kids, make a living, and be happy. 203 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: That's what I want. I say, why don't we pluck 204 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: this fruit from the tree of knowledge and wolf it 205 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: down and then enjoy its delicious taste? 206 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: Have any thoughts on the Franken babies text line four 207 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 3: one five two nine five kftc. 208 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty. 209 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 4: Two Chinese ships colliding at high speed. A China Coast 210 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 4: Guard ship with a water canon and a Great Chinese 211 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 4: PLA Navy ship, both appearing to pursue a coast Guard 212 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 4: ship from the Philippines. 213 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: The PLA Navy has been engaging in what so many 214 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: US Navy has characterized as pretty unprofessional operations for quite 215 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: some time. 216 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 4: The incident took place near Scarborough Shoal, which both the 217 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 4: Philippines and China claim. Chinese State TV issued this statement 218 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 4: from the China Coast Guard. 219 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 5: The China Coast Guard took necessary measures such as tracking, monitoring, blocking, 220 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 5: and controlling to drive away the Philippine vessels. On site 221 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 5: operations were professional, all regulated and legitimate. 222 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 3: All right, are going to Scarborough show, that's where the 223 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 3: incident took place. Uh, Chinese keep pushing and pushing and 224 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: pushing to see how the world react. 225 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: And so far the world reacts with that. Darn it. 226 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: I wish they wouldn't do that. So New York Times 227 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: is an interesting. 228 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: Article today about old mom Danny, the communist would be 229 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: mayor of New York. 230 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: Uh. 231 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: Mark Hauperen writes in his newsletter today, they're writing about 232 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 3: his inner circle, a list that will frighten the stuffing. 233 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: And but Jesus, out of most. 234 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: People who write this both they are people you've never 235 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: heard of them, don't know them, and will be shocked 236 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: but not surprised by their resumes and views. Oh hit me, 237 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 3: and so I read through a couple of them. It's 238 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: got his entire inner circle, and it's a whole bunch 239 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 3: of different people. Uh but starting with this uh ms 240 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: bisgard Church aged thirty four. Everybody's crazy young, like she's 241 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 3: on the older end, being in the early thirties. Lots 242 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: of twenty somethings served as campaign manager during the primary. 243 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: Since then, she's been responsible for laying the groundwork for 244 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: the mayoral administration. A California native and a Democratic Socialist 245 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: member her entire life, completely new to politics when she 246 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: took the job as Mumdanmie's chief of staff straight out 247 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: of graduate school. Now widely seen as a right hand man, 248 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: she is a big believer in all that stuff he's 249 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: been talking about again, first political jobs, straight out of 250 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: the university system in California. Ready to apply those insane 251 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: university ideas. 252 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: Here's somebody else. Twenty eight years old. 253 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: Senior advisor twenty eight year old said he was skeptical 254 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: of Mamdanni's long shot campaign when they first met, but 255 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 3: he quickly became indispensable. He's also helped as an emissary 256 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: to this and that, but he's really into the pro 257 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: Palestinian views and all that sort of stuff. He kind 258 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 3: of drives that whole deal. Here's another person with Columbia 259 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: ties and is also in their late twenties, twenty seven 260 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: year old, and believes in all the stuff with the 261 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: government run grocery stores, and so just he plucked. They're 262 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: almost all members of the Democratic Socialist Party, which nobody'd 263 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: ever paid any attention to. Like, they have been elevated 264 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: from obscurity into the close ranks of a guy who's 265 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: almost certainly going to be the mayor of New. 266 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: York City, right right, It's funny. I was just reading 267 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: about the Democratic Socialists of America's big convention in which 268 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: they had a number of speakers who claimed, among other things, 269 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: or have in the past, that America deserved nine to 270 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: eleven and denied that Hamas committed atrocities on October seventh. 271 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: Lots of that sort of stuff. Yeah, which we can 272 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: either get into this this hour or maybe next hour. 273 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: But the Red the so called Red Green Alliance, What 274 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: the hell is the deal with the young super progressives 275 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: of the Western world. 276 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 3: Joining with Islamists who are antithetical to everything they claim 277 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 3: to believe. Why would Queers for Palestine exist? 278 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: What the hell is going on there? It's bizarre. Ellen 279 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: nay kind of explains how it came to be. 280 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: When they buy their own words, they'll tell you if 281 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: you ask them. The Islamists, they would love to hang 282 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: you from. 283 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: A crane, yeah, oh yeah, or something worse right at 284 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: the end of your suffering. They would hang you for me. 285 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to think of a situation where I 286 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 3: would join with somebody who wanted me dead like that 287 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 3: in a political I mean, it's just it's impossible to 288 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 3: come up with an example. 289 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: I think anyway, at some point too, we will have 290 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: touch on that. I think it's revealing and interesting. 291 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 3: Here's this woman of Field director twenty somethings socialist helped 292 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 3: a mass of staggering fifty thousand volunteer army for Mamdani 293 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 3: during the campaign, fifty thousand volunteers running in a primary 294 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 3: in one city. 295 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 6: Armstrong Andngetti, sixty miles north of dunesk Ukrainian villagers listened 296 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 6: to defensive lines breaking down limited Russian advances over the 297 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 6: summer are reportedly accelerating in the days leading up to 298 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 6: Vladimir Putin's planned meeting with President Trump in Anchorage, Alaska. 299 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 6: Ukrainian President Volodimor Zelensky saying today the push is aimed 300 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 6: at creating a narrative of victory for Russia prior to 301 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 6: its summit with the US. 302 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: Tomorro's Moe president. The conversations between Putin and Trump may 303 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: be important for the bylater, but they cannot agree on 304 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: anything about Ukraine. Zoutas Man. 305 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 3: The fact that Russia has been able to break through 306 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 3: in the last couple of days while these talks have 307 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 3: been going on is bad luck. There's got to be 308 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 3: some luck involved, because they've been trying to break through 309 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: for three years in various spots. I mean, some of 310 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: these lines have barely moved it all in years, and 311 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: now they've had a pretty decent breakthrough. The only thing 312 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: I can think of is they dedicated, you know, even 313 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 3: more cannon fodder to the effort, or used up resources 314 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 3: they were holding in reserve or something otherwise. 315 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: It is just terrible luck and kind of surprising. Although 316 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: the Ukrainians are getting tired, there's no doubt. 317 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want to tease your thing eventually? I mean, yeah, 318 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 3: it's what I said just a couple of minutes ago, 319 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 3: really great stuff on a topic I don't recall. 320 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: So stay with us. 321 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 3: For that, I will see my history as a listeners. 322 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting, troubling, or hilarious, So I 323 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 3: will stick around for anything. Really, how does Zelensky feel 324 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 3: about Trump's plan to give up territory. 325 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: Well, here's a report from Fox. We must return to 326 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: the entire territory of Ukraine. We will fight to the 327 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: last drop of blood. 328 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 6: Ukrainian soldiers, echo Zelensky and saying that giving up territory 329 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 6: to Russia is not an option. President Trump feels a 330 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 6: fair landswap is the most plausible path to ending bloodshed. 331 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 6: The possible terms hinge on a ceasefire deal and if 332 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 6: Putin is actually interested in peace. 333 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 3: Gets a feel out meeting to be honest, and so 334 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 3: the President feels like, look, I got to look at 335 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 3: this guy across the table. 336 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: I need to see him face to face. 337 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: I need to hear him one on I need to 338 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 3: make an assessment by looking at him. Well, there's a 339 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: lot of interesting stuff there. First of all, what you 340 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: said the other day I agree with one hundred percent 341 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 3: and have always thought this stuff about Well, it's a 342 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: mistake because it gives them legitimacy. 343 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: Oh whatever, whatever. 344 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 3: That's people who spend too much time in university settings 345 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 3: thinking about things. 346 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean, whatever, good lord. 347 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 3: Uh so they actually sitting down there, and you know, 348 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 3: Trump is such the colossus really of the world right 349 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 3: now in terms of attention and everything like that. I 350 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 3: like the idea of him sitting there and talking Putin 351 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 3: face to face and seeing if we. 352 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: Moved the needle. But two things. 353 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: Is Trump holding his cards close to his vest like 354 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 3: we don't know or has he shown them the other day? 355 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: And I don't think we played the clip, but the 356 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 3: other day he said, you know, I'll know. I'll talk 357 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: to Putin and I'll see if he's interested, and if 358 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 3: he's not interested. When I called Zelensky, I'll just basically say. 359 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: Well, good luck. 360 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 3: Wait, So was that is that him just basically showing 361 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: his cards, as in, if Trump's not interested. 362 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: In peace, good luck to you. 363 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we're not gonna We're not gonna fix 364 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: it for you because he didn't say. And if I 365 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 3: find out Trump's Putin's not interested, then we drop the 366 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 3: hammer and we provide them with you know whatever. Now 367 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: I just said, oh, calls Linsky and tell. 368 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: Him good luck. Yeah. I don't know what he meant. 369 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: It just those those press sprays where he just holds 370 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: court and says stuff. It's hard to quote him a 371 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: few days later and think that was the policy. But 372 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: on negotiations, there's. 373 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: High with negotiations at this high level, would you say that, 374 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 3: I wouldn't think I would. I mean, like, if we 375 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: were doing I don't know, salary negotiations with somebody and 376 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 3: I set out loud where they could hear me, you know, 377 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 3: they come back and lowball me. 378 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: I guess we'll just have to take it. No, I 379 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: think you do that now. I think you're misinterpreting what 380 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: he said. I think the actual quote was, I'll tell 381 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: him you got to keep fighting. Good luck, yeah with 382 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: with with No, we're and we're going to help you. Okay. 383 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: I thought you'd have to throw that in there. But 384 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: which is again the downside of Trump shooting off his mouth, 385 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: you know, for hours at a time, virtually every day, 386 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: Which is better? No transparency? Is it? Just you can't 387 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: take anything that seriously, like normally a president would say. 388 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: And if we decide and is not serious about an agreement, 389 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: we will inform Zelenski that the fight continues and we 390 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: are prepared to blah blah blah, in an official statement. 391 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 3: Ye way, yeah, And so is Zilinsky completely serious about 392 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 3: this or is it a negotiating position? And I've heard 393 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 3: really smart people who follow this very closely have no 394 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 3: idea when he says we're not giving up land. Is 395 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: that the official position of the Ukrainian people and their 396 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 3: government with the idea perhaps that if we start giving 397 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: up land, the population is going to turn on us, 398 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: because a lot of polling shows still there ain't that 399 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: many people for giving up land to Russia. Or is 400 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 3: that just a starting position on a negotiation. I don't 401 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: actually know, you know, yeah, it could be just a 402 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 3: very very tough starting position, meaning to give an inch 403 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 3: on this, you're going to have to give me a mile, 404 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 3: which I understand since it's an existential question for Ukraine. 405 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: Although I doubt that I'm alone on this. 406 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: I've gone into various things like buying a house or 407 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 3: a car or whatever, and I had a bottom line 408 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: in my head, and I end up moving at some 409 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 3: point because of circumstances. 410 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: So a couple of interesting aspects of this Number one, 411 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: I've talked about a couple of times that Russia various 412 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: high level spokespeople and legislators and advisors are really floating 413 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: the idea that, look, Ukraine is one piece of us 414 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: in the US getting together. We have so much to 415 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: talk about, including you know, Arctic, you know, navigation and 416 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: drilling rights and blah blah blah. Because we aren't neighbors 417 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: with Russia, it's easy to forget that. But if indeed 418 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: the Arctic ice cap continues to recede, there's going to 419 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: be a hell of a lot of stuff going on 420 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: in the Arctic in the next fifty years. So they're 421 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: trying to say, look, look, look, we'll give you this 422 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: mineral rights and that, and we won't dispeach on those 423 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: islands and all, and just give us a little chunky Ukraine. 424 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: And of course the Europeans and Ukrainians hate that idea. 425 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: But again, I've talked about that a couple of times. 426 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: I've found this interesting. Ever since the summit was announced, 427 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: Russian media have been full of stories about US Special 428 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: Envoy Steve Witkoff and Dmitriev the who's Dmitriev? The senior putinade. 429 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: There have been all sorts of stories in the papers 430 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: about Witcoff and Dimitriev sharing fried dumplings at a restaurant 431 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: in the Russian capital h And about the site of 432 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: a future Moscow hotel described as a possible Trump Tower 433 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: Moscow that the two men visited last week. Hmmm, that's 434 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: an interesting one. I hadn't heard. So who knows what 435 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: sort of multi faceted assortment of of of shiny baubles 436 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: Putin and company are going to dangle in front of 437 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: Trump to try to distract him from the main issue 438 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: or actually successfully make the question of Ukraine's subordinate to 439 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: the US's greater strategic interests, which is what I would 440 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: do if I were Putin, I would do that about 441 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: all right, what can we give up that's not nearly 442 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 1: as important to us as expanding our empire into the 443 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: parts of the world that used to be our empire. 444 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 3: Would you agree to that if you were an American 445 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: concern mostly about American priorities as opposed to Ukrainian priorities. 446 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: I will, you know. I don't have an answer to that, 447 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: other than to say you would have to look at it. 448 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 3: Is there anything wrong with Trump going in there and 449 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 3: doing what's best for the United States and if it 450 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: helps Ukraine great? 451 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: Of course? Not, of course not. No, I'm I'm a 452 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: real politic, geopolitical realist. I just feel strongly that the 453 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: US led norms of the last seventy five years have 454 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: been incredibly important in lifting up humanity, and we abandon 455 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: them at our peril. 456 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 3: There's a video conference I think going on right now 457 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 3: with European leaders. They scheduled this like the day before. 458 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: U Zelensky's involved in. Trump's on it, and so we 459 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 3: wonder what Europe's. Europe's lines for what they're willing to 460 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 3: agree to might be completely different than ours. 461 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: Right well, and they want to hammer home what Zelensky 462 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: tried to clumsily in the Oval office and about God 463 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: jd Vance sitting on his chest pounding him with both fists, 464 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: and that is that you can't trust a single thing. 465 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: Putin says, he only signs agreements to be able to 466 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: violate them. That's why he goes ahead. He thinks, Wow, strategically, 467 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: this is great. I'm gonna blindside him now. 468 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 3: I'm back to arresting Putin and throwing him in the 469 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 3: Anchorage County jail or whatever county is. Had another point, Oh, 470 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 3: so what do you think of Trump's saying yesterday I 471 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 3: will know within two minutes. Whether Putin's serious or not. 472 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: I think he's underestimating Putin. I think you're much better off, 473 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: never ever, ever underestimating your opponent. Putin is going to 474 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: His entire strategy is convinced Trump I'm serious about this 475 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: and an agreement can be reached. 476 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 3: I feel like his own his entire goal is delay, period, 477 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: just delay. 478 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: Especially what I said is how he doesn't. 479 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 3: Especially with this military breakthrough in the last couple of days, 480 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: he might be thinking. 481 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: Good lord, we broke through like that. You give me 482 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: sixty more days before America drops the hammer on sanctions 483 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: and maybe arming Ukraine. 484 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 3: And I think I can make some serious gains here. 485 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 3: So if he can convince Trump on Friday that, boy, 486 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: I love your ideas. This is fantastic. I'm gonna take 487 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 3: it back to my people. We'll hit you with a counterproposal. 488 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 3: How about we say November first, will we'll return here? 489 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 3: You know, just tower over many times? How many months 490 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 3: he needs to? 491 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, he's going to go salmon fishing, 492 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: He's going to ride a grizzly bear chested for the 493 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: photo op. 494 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 3: He's going to go play a hockey match where he 495 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 3: scores six goals right, exactly against pros who are inexplicably 496 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 3: paralyzed on defense. 497 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: But and then he will hit Trump with a seven 498 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: point plan. Well, he'll say, look, here are the broad 499 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: eyelines of it. I'm going to get you a seven 500 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: point plan within a month. Six of those points are 501 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: fairly reasonable. The seventh is utterly unacceptable. Right, and he 502 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: will cling to that seventh point and refuse to negotiate 503 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: much in six months will pass? Just will Trump fall 504 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: for that? 505 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: Surely Trump's done enough deals where people were trying to delay, 506 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: and you know he didn't put. 507 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: Up with it. Surely he has. I mean, he's just 508 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: said this over and over in recent weeks. He keeps 509 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: tapping me a lot. Everything he says is bull less. Right, Well, Putin, 510 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: here's that. Putin is the king of adapting strategy and 511 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: understanding psychology. 512 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 3: If you hear frustration in my voice, it's because I 513 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 3: think that's the most likely outcome. I mean, if I 514 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: had to bet money, they come out of it with 515 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 3: a had a great conversation. We're gonna meet again on 516 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: a ridiculously far away date. I don't understand why these 517 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 3: things always go so slow. 518 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: But the date for when they reconvene. It wouldn't be 519 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: sh wouldn't shock me. If it's not January first, then 520 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: they'll they'll reconvene and discuss this, and it'll just be 521 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: the whole world will know, Oh God, we all know 522 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: what's going on here. Yeah. I don't think it'll be 523 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: that obvious. I think Putin knows what you just said, 524 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: and he'll say, Wow, we are close to the deal 525 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: of all deals, the legacy deal for you, dear Donald, 526 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: this is history making. Just got to hash out a 527 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: few details. We'll have our people get together tomorrow and 528 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: get back to work on this. That's a good idea. 529 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: See a schedule a meeting for September first. 530 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 3: But then all of a sudden you get a you. 531 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: Need a colon oskby, I got an appointment. No, it's 532 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: just that these things are difficult to work out. You 533 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: string it along like the whole idiotic waste of time 534 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: Hamas discussions going on in a cutter. Please, that's how 535 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: you do it. You just drag your feet. Yes, Michael, 536 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: do you think they'll do the usual photo op stuff 537 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: where they're shaking hands and raising I hope not. 538 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to see Trump and Putin 539 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 3: smiling side by side. The guy is ordering the bombings 540 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: of grade schools. 541 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, wouldn't surprise me. Horrifying. 542 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 3: I I don't see Zelenski and Putin ever meeting. Trump 543 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: wants that to happen. Great stuff coming up next hour. 544 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 3: Why are Marxists getting together with his Lombists? How did 545 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 3: that all get started? Coming up sooner than that? People 546 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 3: are annoyed with technology and they're hitting it with racial slurs. 547 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: What does it mean? They're calling like you drop an 548 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,719 Speaker 1: in bomb on? They might as well be racial slurs. 549 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: It's the same thing the linguists. I see what you mean. 550 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: That's fantastic. 551 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 3: Okay, that's coming up next. 552 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: Kindam shift might be in trouble. 553 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 3: I sure hope, So maybe we'll talk about that more 554 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 3: an hour four. 555 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: It gladdens the heart when bad things happen to bad people, 556 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: doesn't it. It does. Got the smallest than his neck 557 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: I've ever seen again, the sinnekedness really looming large for Trump. 558 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: So what's a clanker? Clanker is a word that has 559 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: emerged recently and gained a fair amount of popularity, especially online, 560 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: which is where everything happens, which reminds me is making 561 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: us all insane. Maybe we get to that next hour. Anyway, 562 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: it seems to have popped up from a Star Wars 563 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: video game, but it's become so popular people on TikTok 564 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: a posting videos of people harassing robots on sidewalks and 565 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: in stores, yelling you're get out of my way, clanker, 566 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: you're a clanker. Senator Ruben Diego Democrat Arizona used the 567 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: term last week to tout a new piece of legislation. 568 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: Quote sick of yelling representative into the phone ten times 569 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 1: just to talk to a human. My new bill make 570 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: sure you don't have to talk to a clanker if 571 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: you don't want to. Wow, they'd make that against the law. 572 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: I don't like that. What now? Oh shouting? 573 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 2: No? 574 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 3: The company ought to be able to automate if they 575 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 3: want to. And if a company can make more money 576 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: by having human beings answer the phone, then yeah, I have. 577 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: No idea what the legislation represents, but I agree with 578 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: you on that. So anyway, and they talk about people 579 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: using it on the street and yelling at robotsla blah blah. 580 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 3: Yelling robots stupid, blank and clanker then they point out 581 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 3: a slur, as generally defined as a word or phrase 582 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: meant to integrate a person based on their membership to 583 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 3: a particular group such as race, gen. 584 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: Or religion, one that goes beyond rudeness into overt bigotry. 585 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: They're almost always directed at people, but now it's being 586 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: directed like a slur at technology. And according to scientists 587 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: who really ought to get real jobs, this sort of scientist, 588 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: they offer some sense that people want to put down 589 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: the machines and recognize their ascension in society, including this 590 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: one linguist who is also a content creator, therefore not 591 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: to be trusted. He focused on how the Internet is 592 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: shaping language. The use of clanker emerged us a couple 593 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: of months ago. It's use mirrored classic slurs related to 594 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: racial tropes and appear to emerge out of a growing 595 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: cultural need related to growing unease with where advanced technology 596 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: is hit headinge, it's one thing, Yes, have its feelings hurt? 597 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: Can it be a derogatory term? Well, that's where the 598 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: overthinking comes along. What he says, and I found this 599 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: somewhat interesting is what we're doing is we're anthropomorphosizing and 600 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: personifying and simplifying the concept of AI, reducing it into 601 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: an analogy of a human and kind of playing into 602 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: the same tropes. 603 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 3: Yes well, as I mentioned earlier, I asked my Tesla 604 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 3: a question as I was driving down the freeway yesterday. 605 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 3: I asked Groc, and Groc talked to me in a 606 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 3: pleasant woman's voice and basically said. 607 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: Good luck, have a good day. 608 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 3: She said to me, I mean, how would you not 609 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 3: anthropomorphize that. It's trying as hard as it can to sound. 610 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: Like a human. And then the alleged linguist says, naturally, 611 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: when we trend in that direction, it does play into 612 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: those tropes of how people have treated marginalized communities before. 613 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: It seems like somebody looking for a minor problem where 614 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 3: major problems. 615 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: Exist, you know, is interesting, and they find like one 616 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,280 Speaker 1: minority person who thinks, yeah, it reminds me of racial slurs. 617 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable with it. Whatever I think it might 618 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: also indicate. And obviously we're anti racism around here. We're 619 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: against racism. We're not anti racist, which means you're a 620 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: racist and a Marxist. But anyway, the fact that human 621 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: beings have that reaction to something new that they perceive 622 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: as threatening, is as deep within us as anything in 623 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: our DNA, so we're thinking about Armstrong and Getty